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What's up? What's up? Hello, everybody. Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I am Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. How are you doing today, good sir? You know, I slept on my neck weird last night, and I don't like being old. If we have to start pitching words to get the baby blood, I'm in. Just someone in the deep state can reach out and let me know. That's all. It's really all it takes to change your mind. Yeah, it is a thing, dude. Getting old. I do think like...

for me it was there there was something it's probably around your age it's like mid 30s is like when you start just like you just like slowly start noticing like ah like you know like something hurts and you're like oh yeah well it'll get better it'll go away it doesn't i'm doing the frankenstein walk today of

And there's like things like that, like if you fuck up your neck or fuck up your back or something like that, whereas like in your 20s, it'd be like, I was stupid that I did that. But then like when you get closer to 40, it's more like, dude, I just fucked up like the next few weeks. Like this is going to suck now for a while. That's fun. But, you know, you're smarter and stuff. So that's cool.

I guess that's the... Yep, I'm smart enough to learn no more porn on the pillow with this, and then you got to go to your desk like an adult. I guess at a recent age, you just learned you got to make these adjustments. We run a classier show, and you guys want to hear the news. It is true. It's just it's so much more...

dignified to hurt yourself during sex. If it makes sense that like the real thing. Uh, okay. Uh, by the way, let's start off, uh, just some quick plugs before we get into the, the meat of today's episode. Um,

Um, we, we're going to be in Boston, uh, coming up very soon. Looking forward to that. Come on out, Boston. Um, we always, we always, uh, fill up the shows in Boston. So if you want to come get them now, cause these shows will sell out, uh, comic Dave Smith.com and we're, we're traveling all over the place for the rest of the year. So come, come see us there. And then Rob, you got some, some gigs coming up. I believe I've got a steamboat and now I'm confused cause I got it wrong. The last time Idaho and Iowa, that's all kind of the same state to me.

I think it's in Idaho. I don't know. Just go to my website, robburnsoncomedy.com. I got two dates coming up and one of them's in a state that starts with an eye and I'm really looking forward to being there. There you go. Uh, also I should, uh, reminder. I know I've told you guys I'm, I'm debating, uh, Alex Norway. Uh, I just still, I will learn his name by the time we debate, uh, debating, uh,

Immigration at the Soho Forum, thesohoforum.org is the website to go if you want to come see it live if you're in the New York City area. Also, little teaser for you.

Got some big ones coming up. Not going to tell you what they are, but we've got a few big, big shows coming up that I'm very excited to do. It's interesting. A couple years ago when you said that, it was very obvious, and now there's a couple different options on the table. Yeah.

Yes, it's well, one of them is the obvious one. That's all I'll say. And then and and then a couple one one of them I'm doing tomorrow doing a big show that I've never done before. So very excited to go do that. I'm not sure when it's coming out, but we're recording it tomorrow. So probably soon. OK, so.

There's a few things going on. One of the things that I wanted to talk about on the show that I don't... We may have briefly mentioned it, but I don't think we've really given it too much attention. But I do find this to be very interesting because it's such a comment on kind of the moment that we're living in. And obviously, there's all these kind of major themes of 2025 so far. And...

One of one of the major ones being the disastrous state of the Democratic Party. And obviously, this has to do with many factors. But really, the you know, losing the propaganda apparatus of the corporate media is is

probably the biggest one. It's not just that they lost an election. It's that they lost the mechanism by which they win elections. And so anyway, so the topic that I'm thinking about is, which I'm curious if you've watched any of it, but have you seen Gavin Newsom has started a podcast? I've seen clips. Yeah.

Yes, same with me. I've just seen clips. I'm going to sit down and watch an episode of Gavin Newsom. But it is it's look, it's just as somebody who was I mean, I'm not like first generation of podcasters. Maybe I'd be like second generation. There were people who were at it before me. But for somebody who was I, you know, I.

I'm trying to think like around when I first, because I was doing part of the problem in my apartment in Brooklyn in 2012. I know that. So it was before even we went to stand up New York labs and before, but I had done,

skanks and I had done hammer fisting originally. So that, that would have to have been around 2009, 2010. Um, that first started speaking, you know, having conversations that we were recording and then putting on the internet. And so it's just,

you know, at this point now, you know, back then it was like a few comedians had podcasts, but it wasn't, it certainly wasn't like a thing that everybody had. And it was kind of a weird thing. It was a thing you'd almost have to explain to somebody, but to see now,

Just as someone who's just been in this for a while, that the move for the darling of the Democratic Party, the guy who kind of all of the Democratic, you know, bigwigs wanted to run for president but couldn't either convince him to or couldn't maneuver around Kamala Harris. To see that as he's clearly I mean, I don't think this is too much of a leap to say clearly building toward a 28 potential run.

Just imagine, Rob, how crazy it is that like the move is, well, you're going to have to go start a podcast. And it is the correct move. I'm not even like criticizing him for that. Like that is the thing to go do now. And that in itself is just so wild to me. And I just like I love that. You know, I think it's great as awful as he is. How crazy is it that that's now what...

the, the ruling class has to do in order to get somewhere is, you know, and obviously it's a different version, but it's like, wait, they have to do what me and Lewis did in 2010. Like that's what they're there. But yes, that is the move. Um, so anyway, that's just kind of interesting in my mind, but before we get into, cause I wanted to play a couple of clips, uh, um, from, he had, um, uh, what's his name? Uh, Tim waltz on his show, the, uh,

vice presidential candidate in the last election. I think it's kind of interesting to me. But of the like, I'm just curious to you, like of the clips you've seen, what do you think of this move? Gavin Newsom getting out there on a podcast? What do you think about him being the Democratic, you know, potential nominee or any of that stuff?

All right. I got a lot on this. So all right, let's have it. You know, there was a time in this world where you had to put on a suit to look like you were in the professional class and go and get a job. And this speaks to the degradation of the news networks where it used to be in order to be treated seriously. You needed to have an academic standing or you needed to look like you're in this beautiful studio. And that's why people took you seriously.

And those guys so eroded their credibility that suddenly doing the makeshift thing that we all did because we couldn't afford to be in the big news studios and we weren't given those opportunities. But then we brought something different to the market, which was truth. And now this is almost the suit and tie of truth. Dude, it's such a good point, Rob. He's not in the big studio. He's doing the makeshift thing, which almost signals to people, oh, this might be truthful. So that's one element.

then the next element can i just i'm sorry i'm sorry just keep that thought in mind because that's such a good point and it does it's like um it's like in the 90s when billionaires started wearing t-shirts and jeans like what it all it all of a sudden became a thing where steve jobs would give his his presentations just in a t-shirt and jeans it's almost like oh you have to like assume the aesthetic

of the regular guy in order to like talk to the regular guy. And there's just something that's a really interesting observation. There really is something to that, that they now have to almost like abandon the cable newsy looking background because our monkey brains have just associated that with liar so much that you just come off as a liar if you're in that environment at all.

Sorry, continue. And then there's, there's two more qualities to it. The next is, I think, uh, in part, Donald Trump became president because he's incredible at television and television is a talent. I think that goes all the way back to, I think it was when, uh, uh, JFK beat Nixon cause he looked good and Nixon wouldn't wear makeup. And so there, there is a quality to the way that we consume information now. Now, uh,

Ideally, you would just be a great governor and you would go sell. Look at how well I've done in my state. And that would be the way and go to sell yourself. But that's not the he's a terrible governor. That's not the skill set that he has. And so as we come into the next election cycle and you basically have to be great at radio now because that's going to be the new place that you go to to try and sell yourself.

Um, it's, it's almost smart to get good at radio because, and I think that might be why Michelle Obama is trying to launch a podcast too, which she's terrible. And it's, uh, it's, it's unbelievable how bad it is. And maybe, maybe we could delve into that one another episode. Cause it's shocking. And you know what?

It's we could even talk about it a little bit today because it is interesting how much, you know, podcasting is. I know I used when we were going back and forth with Jonah Goldberg. I use the metaphor of like fighting and how the old school people found out they couldn't fight in the UFC. But there is something about it that is kind of similar in a way. Maybe it's just that I'm a fan of both the two things. So I see the parallels. But like.

There's there's something where it's like revealing of what you really got. Yeah, you could talk a tough game or something like that. But let me see you in a fight. Let me see you when you're hurt and you're tired and then you really test character. And there is something about podcasting that like actually tests like it just it separates the wheat from the chip. Like you're like, what do you really have?

What do you really have to say? Let me get into your mind and see if you actually have something here. And for all the talk over these years of how somehow it was always so ridiculous, but Michelle Obama was like the dream scenario that she would come and run for president or something. Hey, you just watch her. And again, I've only seen some of the clips, but it is like she is boring. She is totally...

she's nasty. She's got like a real kind of like bitter thing to her. And she's vapid. Like I, there's just like, I don't know. It was very interesting. And the other thing that's so interesting about that is the numbers have just been abysmal. But you see her, she's getting like, she's, I don't know. She had like a video that had like 40,000 downloads or views on YouTube or whatever or something. And you're like, what's this fucking Michelle Obama? Really? She can't put together a couple hundred thousand views on an episode. It's,

Anyway, sorry, continue, but it is very interesting. And just on that topic, it's odd how much her brother looks like a lady shaved her wig. It's just so backwards that apparently that's a man and she's a lady. I guess just bad genetics. Going back to...

Going back to Gavin Newsom, I think in this media climate, it's good to practice podcasting. If you want to be in politics, I think it's probably a necessary tool. I don't agree with a single one of Gavin Newsom's policies. I think he's an evil and bad person. With that said, he is a fantastic salesperson and a fantastic liar.

And there's kind of a rule in sales, don't fear the phone. And there's like a human nature. If things aren't going well, you don't want to talk to your customers. But there's a signal and people, the most, the...

The people with devil skills are the best at this. When things aren't going well, you'll see more of them because it kind of showcases the confidence that they're still willing to take her calls or still be in front of the cameras and saying everything's going great. Uh, so Gavin Newsom is actually very smart and very skilled that he's willing and unlike anyone else in the democratic party. And we're going to see in this clip, he's willing to talk to people with very different points of views and he's willing to engage with those topics. And it's, uh,

It's a very smart sales and persuasion technique that he's willing to actually engage and get in front of this stuff and not go and hide after you had these forest fires incidents.

Yeah, look, I mean, I think that's exactly right. And there is, look, you can't deny he's got, he's incredibly talented and he's a talented politician. Now, I completely agree with you. And I think that kind of almost goes without saying, yes, obviously his policies have been a disaster. I mean, he's been a truly,

He's been a uniquely terrible governor. Like what he's done with the state of California is as bad a job as I could think of any governor doing with any state. But like there is something, you know, he's he's an interesting figure because he is in a way he is like a traditional politician.

And a very good one, like a very good traditional politician. I think the way I look at it is kind of like,

In my lifetime, I think pretty undeniably, the most talented politicians have been Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. For people, Bill Clinton lost a step. I think he did too many drugs when he was young and it kind of fucked him up later in life. Like he doesn't have it anymore. But for people who...

who like are around my age, like if you remember the nineties, I mean, he was just like the guy. I mean, he, he just charmed the pants off of everybody and rip some pants off of some people against their will. But that's a, another story for another day. But he was just incredibly smooth and he had this like very like unique ability. You know, I mean, I wasn't alive for like Jack Kennedy and, and,

People would say similar things about him and maybe for his time, you know, like 1960 is just such a different culture and a different time that it may be at well, but it wasn't like what Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton could go on like at the time, right? It was almost like if you think about the version of going on a podcast with the time, what Bill Clinton would do is like go on MTV.

and just get the kids like into what he was doing. He was really like just incredible and very, very good, not just good at like giving a speech, but really good at interacting, really good at like winning people over and being charming.

And then Barack Obama was never quite as good at the interacting as Bill Clinton was, but his speech giving like blew him out of the water. I mean, he was just in he was truly like in his prime. Barack Obama was a master orator, like just on another level. Incredible.

and wrote a lot of his own speeches too. I mean, I know he had speech writers as they all do, but he wrote a lot of his own speeches and they were like...

Excellent, excellent speeches. Gavin Newsom can literally be standing in front of a state on fire and going, we're doing the best possible job of anybody who's ever stood here. He's got that Trump quality, but it's a different style of lying. Trump, in a way, the way I look at it is like, I think Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were the best politicians of my life. Trump is like an anti-politician almost, which is, I'm not saying there aren't similarities between the two, but it's like,

He's a whole different thing. He decided like, I'm not going to do that thing that I'm not going to do the politician thing. I'm just Donald Trump. Now, Gavin Newsom is like, he's a very talented traditional politician. I don't exactly know why.

in this current market, in the current culture of the United States of America, is there a market for a traditional politician? I'm not so sure of that. You know, it's like much like you said with the idea that the cable news look has just been so degraded that people don't want to see that anymore. I think that that might be true for the traditional politician too. However,

When you see Gavin Newsom, and especially when you contrast it with who else the Democrats have, it's hard. You kind of got to take that guy seriously. You're like, OK, no, listen, this guy is both in just in terms of IQ.

In terms of just rhetorical abilities, he's levels above the rest of these guys. There's like really no one else the Democrats have who's like at that level. And it was that's been clear the more we've seen of all these Democrats. And I will say that, you know, as I said at the beginning and as you you put quite well,

There's no question this is the right move. Like from a political point of view, it's like, yeah, dude, you got to get on podcasts. You got to argue with people on the other side. You got to be talking about the current thing. You got to be trying to sell some type of compelling message. So there's no question that that's there. The glaring issue you have is like, as you said, Rob, just.

the disaster that is California. And the wildfires are almost the least of it at this point. I mean, it's a big thing, but it's the disaster that is the state of California where people have under his, on his watch, people have been fleeing the state by the hundreds of thousands. And there's really, you know, when it comes to a situation with a country like Afghanistan,

where you have these United States and there is freedom of movement between all of them. There's just no better way

indicator of your success or failure. Like if people voting with their feet is the most powerful endorsement or vice versa of a state, you know, if you're doing a great job, people flood in, if you're doing a terrible job, people flood out and people are flooding out of California. Um, and for obvious reasons, I mean, like if, you know, um, all you have to do is go to a major city in California and you'd be like, Oh, that's why people are leaving because of that. Um,

Anyway, the other issue that they have is that it does seem to me that the the there's a lack of substance issue with Gavin Newsom. And at least it seems to me from all the clips I've seen, the major problem that he has is that like it's like he's a very he's a very nicely wrapped present, but there is nothing inside. Right.

And a bad track record. Yeah, it's a bad track record. And then he's really got no there doesn't seem to be any real argument that he's there to make. And so that's an issue, too. But anyway, so this is all fascinating to me. And of course, the conversation that is dominant in the Democratic Party right now, which is the kind of like, what do we do from here? Talk.

I also just find it very interesting how they're just there. It's such a they have such an inability to grapple with what actually just happened and why it just happened. And I it's interesting to see them spin their wheels. So anyway, let's go. Let's go to this clip from the Gavin Newsom podcast. I believe it's called Meet Gavin Newsom. Am I right about that? Anyway, let's let's let's go check out that clip.

Have they figured it out that the identity piece of this is more important than the actual substance behind it? Well, they've been doing it for decades. I mean, we've saw the welfare queens. They've seen the Southern strategy. We've seen it over and over. It's an old playbook. And we're as dumb as we want to be that we allow them to do this with CRT and ESG, DEI, and every three-letter word. And then they demonize people.

Yeah, demonize and they weaponize grievance. They other people, they talk down to people, pass people, they humiliate people, they weaponize difficult issues. But the problem line is, and I think it goes back to what we began with, is and I applaud you for this, is we cannot continue to be on the defense reacting to this. We've got to go on the offense. We've got to meet people where they are. But I also think this and this is where, you know, already already here.

It's isn't it like you get what I'm saying when I say it's like a beautifully wrapped present, but there's no gift inside. It's just already like, what is this? This is empty sloganeering. Like there's no actual comment being made here. We can't play defense. We got to play offense and we got to meet people where they're at. What? What does any of that mean?

Like, I'm sorry. Maybe I'm the dumb one here. Speak slower so I can understand. What does any of that mean? What are you saying? Oh, it's identity that matters. And they weaponize it and they humiliate people. And they've like, again, this is like it sounds like a James Lindsay defining the woke right. And then you give a definition that applies to everybody.

You know, well, they're they're awakening to an injustice and they want to put themselves in a position of power. Like, yeah, that's politics. What do we isn't it wild? I mean, by the way, you know, you have two of this conversation is happening between two of the most aggressive lockdown governors.

And the two of the governors who were the biggest champions of Black Lives Matter. And you're talking about how they use identity and they demonize others and attempt to humiliate them. They use important issues to demonize others.

OK, yeah, like I have some mild memories of being unvaccinated in 2021 and 22. And I felt like the finger was pointed at us a little bit. But anyway, it's just this is the point I'm making. It's like the one of the things it's like the podcasting.

The podcast world didn't just blow up because it was on the internet instead of being on the TV. I mean, that is part of it about, you know, like people are on their phones and their computers more and they're on televisions less. But it was also that there was just substantive conversations being had. Yeah.

And, you know, people can you can mock the bro podcast vibe or whatever. And there's like part of that's fair. You know, it is. There's no question. It's kind of like there's a there's a bro energy to a lot of the popular podcasts. But there's also just like organic energy.

substantive conversations that are happening. And this is just, it's too weird and nothing like you got to say something. I don't know. Any thoughts on this, Robert? You want to jump back in? I agree with you that in the first half of this, he absolutely says nothing of substance, but the second half I thought was interesting. Yes. Yes. All right. Let's keep playing.

conversation i'm trying to have is you you got to respect people you disagree with even and you can't just dismiss people this notion of it and well this this notion of most of their ass i do but i don't know if we're going to fall into that place where we want to okay we challenge you to a to a you know a wwe fight here type of thing let's pause it one more it's in that

I do just want to make this point. There is and I find this to be fascinating, particularly after the years of pushing the the gender stuff. But there is a there's a realization amongst Democrats that they are too beta.

And that they need, I mean, literally, I think I want to say, who was it? It was Van Jones, I believe I heard on CNN the other day, explicitly say, we need alphas on our side.

Like there's just even the Democrats eventually recognized that, oh yeah, Donald Trump is out alphaing us. That's a big component to what's going on here, which I don't know how that wasn't obvious to everybody. It literally was like, I had a huge chunk on it in my, uh,

my first comedy hour, a special Libertas about how Donald Trump just out alpha at everybody. Like that was so obvious right away. Um, and, but anyway, they've finally realized this. It's very strange coming from, you know, like after they've pushed all the stuff they've pushed over the last 10, 15 years, but just a little piece of advice, maybe, um, yeah,

You don't project like alpha male energy or like dominant male energy by saying, I am now going to project dominant male energy. You have to just do it. You can't sit there and say it's too like, I think I could kick their ass. Like now, see, now this just comes off as like, like you're a try hard or something like that. It's like, no, that's not actually it. I think I could win a dance off.

Quite possibly. Honestly, I don't feel that comfortable with this toxic masculinity being exuded by him. It really I mean, the fact that he'll threaten physical violence to try and solve political problems. I mean, what it is giving to tampons to boys. I thought that's what we were about. I mean, really, it's just there. It's just going to be very difficult for Democrats to transition. No pun intended.

From all of the stuff they've been talking about to this now, like we're going to be alpha men or something. I don't know. I just find this fair. But it is interesting to me that they've at least recognized that. They realize like, oh, there's a problem here that we don't. It's not. And part of it is just looking at the numbers. I mean, they are just hemorrhaging men.

You know, and it's a lot more than the fact that it was Kamala Harris, like was that it was a woman running for president this year. It was true, according to the polls under Joe Biden as well. And I think it would have been true if Joe Biden had run or just about any Democrat had run. It's like men across Congress.

All age groups across all ethnicities and races and, you know, like men have just walked away from Democrats. And it's for such obvious reasons. I mean, it's just not – it's not a –

an environment where any man is going to feel comfortable or at least any like traditionally masculine man is just not going to feel comfortable there. It's everything. Everything is about feelings and, uh, you know, about kind of, um,

I don't know, like safety over adventurism, like everything is. There's just something like even in the policies that I just like adamantly disagree with Donald Trump about. There's always something masculine to them. There's always something, you know, we're going to take Greenland or whatever. You know, it's like there's something there. And they've they've openly been talking about toxic masculinity for years and lecturing young boys. And, you know, it's just it's.

It's been a disaster for them. So they recognize that to some degree, like we got to win these men back over. But then just sitting here again, I don't have used this example before, but it's just like when I hear Tim Walz talking about how he could kick anyone's ass. It just to me, it sounds it's like that scene in the 40 year old virgin when he's describing what a boob feels like.

Like, it's just like, I know you're saying the thing that you think is the thing to say now, but you clearly have no experience in this department at all. All right, let's keep playing.

Actually, I think it's one of the reasons we're losing so many men. And again, it's multi-ethnic. It's not just white men. We're losing them. We're losing them to these guys online. We're losing people that I'm bringing on this podcast as well. That's why I brought- These are bad guys though. These are bad guys. But they exist and we could deny they exist. They exist. Not only do they exist, they persist. And they're actually influencing young kids every single day. How do we push some of those guys back under a rock?

I think we have to first understand what their motivations are. I think we have to understand what they're actually doing. You don't think it's racism and misogyny? I think there's a lot of that, but I don't think it's exclusively that. When you talk to a guy like Steve Bannon, he talks about work. I mean, this is the part that was actually most interesting to me, because it just shows you it's such a...

It's the mentality of the old order, you know, and that that's this is what Tim Walz's idea. But how do we push them back under a rock? How do we take them out? And this is the mentality that the Democrats have, you know, and this is the mentality that the Democrats.

that the government has had for a very long time. It's like, that's it. Okay. There are problems. So how do we eliminate them? What's the plan here? Censorship. So, you know what I mean? Like, what do we do? There's, that's the goal. How do we, they're bad people. How do we get rid of them? And it's like what Gavin Newsom is a few steps ahead of, of Waltz on this is that he's like, at least he's recognizing like, oh, oh yeah, no, the answer is we can't.

The answer is we can't push them back under a rock. We do not have that ability to do that. It's just it's not even an ideological question. It's a it's a reality based question. Can you do that or can you not? It'd be like, you know, like.

Yeah, whatever. It's just it's there's just you're not in a position to do that. And then, you know, Gavin Newsom is kind of suggesting like, well, you have to kind of like he's like it's like coming to the most obvious conclusion so many years too late. But he's like, I think maybe you'd have to address their arguments.

I think maybe you'd have to deal with their grievances and maybe have a response to some of the points that they make. And and Tim Walz is like, but they're racist and sexist. It's like, wait, they're racist and sexist. They go under the rock. I mean, that listen, that did work for a remarkably long period of time. I don't think it's working anymore.

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What do you think, Rob? I agree with everything you just said. That was the most interesting part of it because Tim Walls is literally saying, hey, what happens to the old playbook where we call these people mean people and then we censor them and then we don't contend with any of their ideas?

And Gavin Newsom's actually contending with reality, which the Democrats are particularly not good at, which is why they'll tell you that we're winning the Ukraine war, which will why why why they will tell you that it's better for your health to not go to work, not have your kids in school and not to see your loved ones and to wear masks.

uh because democrats they like to take a narrative pick the narrative and then shame you if you don't agree with him and they did that for how many years that was the last 10 years was uh shaming everyone that didn't agree with their opinion and then censoring them and trying to pretend like you were an evil person if you didn't go with the democratic narrative

And so that's all Tim Walls knows. And he's sitting here and he's going news him. You're not playing by the book. You're actually giving these people their data, share their opinion. You're legitimizing them. We got to do everything that we can to push them back under the rock. But news him. Like I said, he's actually better at sales and he knows he got to answer the phone. You can't fear it. And so we have to actually have these conversations. And if you've ever seen two people auditioning to try and be a part of the next election, I mean, Newsom is clearly saying,

more favorable than Tim Walls, who's trying to pull the Kamala Harris playbook of, well, I'll just preach that the other people are evil. Yeah, that didn't work. And you're not going to sell that. It doesn't work. Newsom's the least. Yes, I agree with you. You know, there's no conceivable path from where Tim Walls is to being the Democratic nominee next time because he can't be the VP candidate

on such a spectacular failure of a ticket and then get from there but even if you could haven't seen his interpretive dances yet well that is a good boy that is a good boy like it's always sunny when what's his name finally comes out of the closet and frank goes i get it so you know maybe he just hasn't had a moment to express himself that is and the way he really knows how in a way that would be genuine and the rest of america would go now i get that guy

well you do well as an interpretive dance wild card aside you do see uh just the um the the difference in skill and intelligence and and this is what i was kind of saying about gavin news i mean it's just like yes there's just levels above but listen the point you made and i think we had i think we we had an episode recently that was titled like the left verse reality or something like that and

There's no there is no question about it. And I think there's something at the like it's at the very heart of kind of the left right divide right wing people. It's kind of built into their worldview that we we have constraints due to reality.

And that's something that you have to contend with. You can't just wish that away. Whereas the left-wing worldview is always kind of built more on a utopian vision.

Egalitarianism in itself is a kind of utopian vision. And like most utopian visions, when put into practice, they're actually terrifying nightmares. But there is something where it's right. Like, you know, I think the example we were talking about in that episode was was like IQ science.

And it's just it's amazing to see leftist reactions to IQ science being presented to them. And like, look, it's uncomfortable, but, you know, and it's not like the IQ, the best science on IQ tells us things that we would all probably wish weren't the case. You know, like it would be nicer if the average IQ was the same in every racial group.

But it's not.

And then you it almost like I don't remember getting into this. It's never been like an area that I specialize in or like talk about a lot. But I remember getting into arguments about this with like woke libertarians, you know, like a few years ago. And I got and there's just something interesting about like and perhaps it's like a personality trait type of thing. But there's something about like I find it to be like a maturity test in a lot of ways. But.

When you come across information that's like, shit, I really wish it wasn't that way, but this is what reality is. It's like a question of how do you deal with that? Do you just stick your head in the sand and pretend that's not real? You just like, nope, sorry, that challenges my worldview. And so I'm going to ignore that. Or do you go like, okay, shit, well, we got to grapple with that now. I have to incorporate that into my view of things. And

Look, I mean, you know, you gave a good example of the we're winning the war in Ukraine. But even like I got to say all the transgender stuff. I mean, it's like the most obvious test of all of this. And again, that doesn't mean you have to say like there is a way in which you could.

be an advocate for transgender people and still come to terms with reality, right? Like you could sit here and be like, hey, man, like adults should be allowed to live their life however they want to. Even if you're making the argument for children, you know, you could make that argument. I don't agree with that, but you could make the argument that it's like, ah, people are better if they're allowed to live their lives in these ways. But to leftists so often, it's not just that.

They also then have to just deny the reality of it. Trans women are women. If you're like, oh, no, that's a biological male. You're a bigot. You're a horrible person. It's like, wait, what? It's just there's such a mentality. Forget even how you feel about trans, any trans issue. Forget how you feel about that. I'm just saying there's a difference between people who just recognize what's in our control and what's out of our control. What is real?

Like, what is real is that, like, you were biologically born a sex and you don't get to change that any more than you get to change your species. You can pretend like you can do it, but like you're not actually doing it. It's just so obvious. And anyway, there is just something about that, that.

Like the inability to deal with reality. And what you're what you're seeing here, as you put it, is that at least Gavin Newsom is attempting. He's at least attempting. Like, let me try. OK, let's let's just play the last couple moments of this.

And he talks about how we hollowed out the industrial core of this country. I understand that. But so we can dismiss the notion of election denialism. We could completely dismiss what he did on January 6th. But I don't think you can dismiss what he's saying. Reminds me a lot of what Bernie Sanders was saying. Reminds me a lot of what Democrats said 20, 30 years ago.

All right. So anyway, they're at the final. I mean, you really do just see how like how helpless Tim Waltz is in this conversation that he goes, he goes, you know, Steve Bannon's coming here and however you feel about him, he's got like a pitch to the working class and he's got an argument for how the government has betrayed them and what the plan is to get things back for them. And he goes, but he denied the election.

He's just he can't get out of this like old box like you're trapped in this old world. And that is over, dude. Like, that's just not how it works anymore. It's it's it's to me very interesting to watch who can who can adapt and who can't. That really is what it all comes down to. Any any final thoughts on Gavin Newsom's podcast there or any of the stuff, Rob?

I like that he's doing it because as all of the Joy Reads and everyone else gets clean out of cable media, at least we got a new person to get some clips from and criticize. So lucky for us, there'll be more people spewing absolute nonsense on new platforms and we'll be able to tackle it.

Yeah, well, look, I mean, I try. It's a weird feeling almost in a way. I don't think we've ever really been quite here before, but I am more hesitant than ever. Like when I'm finding clips, I'll see all the time just someone on CNN or someone on MSNBC saying the most retarded thing ever. And it almost it's gotten to a point where it does. It starts to feel beneath this show to be debunking that.

it's like what am i you know like what am i even doing no one's watching it maybe you got to get on newsome's show and take his soul just take him out of the race maybe that can be the next uh trophy for uh for the dave smith uh soul collection dude i'd do that anytime i'm not sure he would but i would uh i would do i would do gavin newsome's podcast in a heartbeat i would love it and he had uh he did have charlie kirk on that's true

I do think that Charlie Kirk, and I'm not saying anything bad about Charlie. Um, it was, I like him and he's, uh, he's been cool to me and I've, I've done his show a couple of times and I, I enjoy doing it. I think he's a smart guy. Like I respect him. I do think that, you know, there was a, I really appreciated this. I took it as a compliment, although it wasn't exactly a compliment, but I also did think there was something that was kind of an accurate assessment. Uh, so, uh,

Patrick Bitt David, I think I'm 99% sure it was Patrick Bitt David was on Tucker Carlson's podcast. And it was ahead of the Cuomo debate. Like the debate had been announced, but we hadn't done it yet. And I think that was the topic that came up, but I came up. And I think Pat asked Tucker something like, oh, how do you think that's going to go? Or how do you think? And Tucker said, he goes...

The thing about Dave is that he's totally unencumbered. Like there aren't, he doesn't have anything that he's not allowed to say, you know, like there's no, and I think what he was just getting at is that there's no, I'm kind of in a unique position where I like, I make my money from the podcast and from touring on, on the road.

uh, there is no donor. There is no, like, I mean, I have, we have sponsors on the show, but there's like zero pressure that comes from the sponsors we have. And you know this, but you know, as well as anyone, Rob, cause you, you know, for years we're working with the, um, some of these sponsors, but there's nobody there's, there's not, it is,

And literally, as I'm talking to you and Natalie or the people on my team here on the show, you know this. It's inconceivable that one of our sponsors would put pressure on us over the content of our show and that that would have any result other than, oh, okay, go fuck yourself. You're not a sponsor on my show anymore. There's just no, there's no, like, this is the idea that like, you know, like...

Crowd health is going to jump on me and be like, Hey Dave, you know, this thing you said, first off, most people like crowd health. Most of them are on board and there's a great company by the way, but they're on board because they like what we do. Like this, you know what I mean? Like it's so, and I think when Tucker said that there was something about that, that hit home with me, like I don't have, I have, I,

No concern about like the billionaire that I have to meet with next month and whether we're going to get our check to keep going for the next year. This is just something that happens. It's the nature of not government. It's the nature of just like the world when you get an entity that's as large as like Turning Point USA or something like that. And so I don't in other words.

What you know, I'm not going to the cocktail parties. I don't go to any cocktail parties I don't even go to the gas digital parties. I would love probably to do those but I just got little kids I'm busy but like I just I don't there's nothing that it would be taken away from me if I crossed this line It's like whatever I'm I'm just in a unique position where I just get to tell the truth and I've kind of built my career to be that way because that's what I like to do and so there is just

it's a, it's a safer, um, proposition for Gavin Newsom to have Charlie Kirk on than it would be to have me on. Like, there's just, if you, I mean, if I, you know, it, it would be like Chris Cuomo, you know, like it's to me, there's, and, and even though I'd probably, you know, like the war and peace is probably like my number one issue that I care about the most. Um,

Like lockdown, no one's I'm not I'm more furious at lockdown governors than I am at anybody else. And there'd be you know, the truth is me saying this out loud probably guarantees that I'll never be on the show, but it's a long shot anyway, so I don't care. But like, I'd go in with the mentality I went in with Cuomo.

Like, I'm going to I'm going to fucking ruin you. Not just like I mean, I guess I can't like ruin you exactly. But this will be an albatross around your neck for the rest of your public days. Like this will be something that it's like, oh, but remember when that guy took your fucking soul? Is you know, like that's that's what it would be. And I don't think Charlie Kirk went in with that attitude. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just a different I'm a different animal in that way.

And that's not to say I'm better or smarter or anything like that. It's just we're different people in different positions and we have different styles. So anyway, I don't think that's going to happen. But man, I would do that in a second. Man, would I love to do that. Okay, so the other thing, by the way, is speaking of... So what I will find for the shows now is like, okay, so like this, like again, it...

okay, so Joy Reid is gone, but like whoever the next stupid lady at MSNBC is, I'm finding it, I'm having a tougher and tougher time justifying like playing a clip of them because you're just like, no one watched this. No one takes this seriously. It's kind of low hanging fruit. But when Gavin Newsom is now starting a podcast and looks like the 2028 front runner, that's worth

You know what I mean? Like taking on. Likewise, to set up this next clip, when the most powerful Democrat in the Senate is going on the view, I still think that's legitimate to a legitimate target because this is somebody with actual political power. And he is kind of the de facto candidate.

leader or the co-leader, I guess it's him and Nancy Pelosi are still kind of the leaders of the Democratic Party, which is remarkable in a sense. It's really and I know this is a point that you've made many times, Rob, but it's really something about D.C. where like in almost any other area of life.

You simply cannot fail as catastrophically as Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have failed and just continue on. Like, like, I mean, like there's no company where there wouldn't be a shakeup, no matter how high up it is. I mean, this could be the CEO or the CFO of a company. If they failed this spectacular, we're looking for a new CEO, you know, like that's, that's it.

In a marriage, if you fail this spectacularly, it ends in divorce. I mean, there's just nothing in life where there aren't some repercussions except for in DC where you can just fail and fail and fail and fail. And then still be outraged if anyone suggests you leave. And still be, what do you mean you're gonna cut the Department of Education? What? Like, Department of Education, what? Like, we spend so much goddamn money on education and our kids can't read.

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Here is Chuck Schumer on The View giving his pitch to the American people. I'm sort of, you know, I'm sort of the orchestra leader and I have a lot of talent in that orchestra. So what I do is I show them off. We have some great spokespeople, people like Chris Murphy and Brian Sharks.

We have, you know, Democrats are learning to do the digital social media much better than we did before. I put Cory Booker and Tina Smith in charge. And then we have Bernie going out to Republican areas and doing rallies and rallying. So we have a load of talent in our caucus. And I'll tell you one thing. We are totally united in one thing. Pause it already. Pause it already because and then just go back a little bit because I want to get that next statement in there. But dude,

To just say I have a load of talent and then to rattle off the most pathetic list of names. I mean, it's just like talk about not contending with reality. Oh, yeah, you've got we've so much talent. I mean, we could throw Cory Booker at him if we needed to. Cory Booker, dude. What did that guy get when he ran for president? Anything? Was he at one? Was he at one percent in the polls? Yeah.

It's it's worse than that. I mean, I've said it that the Democrats listen, we'll see. They might do all right, depending on how bad Trump does. But at the moment, they have nobody on their bench. And the fact that they have Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders trying to be out there selling the Democratic message just speaks to currently how doomed they are.

But when you start talking about their social media presence, and we played some of the horrific clips that they had over the last couple weeks, Cory Booker had a particularly bad one where he wrote that script where everyone... Here's the thing, like, they're trying... For all the talk that they did of Donald Trump and the dignity of the office, now they're trying to be cool and, like, throw in curse words, but it just doesn't match their style and it doesn't fit for them. And also the internet has picked up on, oh, everyone's reading the exact same script. What is this?

Uh, and so it was something, I think the line was like, that shit just won't stand or something. Just, uh, it was not good. And Cory Booker had to come forward afterwards and go, yeah, I wrote that. And so the fact that that's the name being thrown out there right now of, Oh, I got this guy and he's running our social media strategy. Talk about not adapting of that. You can't find a single marketing company with the millions. I mean, the fact,

that I guess it speaks to the hundred, what was it? $1.2 billion that Kamala Harris spent not being reelected and how much the marketing companies failed her and trying to put together a strategy and what she paid to digital marketing companies. But to sit here right now, right after Cory Booker had a big swing and a miss and go, don't worry, our bench is doing okay. We're getting, we're getting the social media thing that the kids like, and I've got Cory Booker working on it.

just sounds like such a... It's like the guy trying to flip a burger that's got a piece of cheese on it and the oven's not on. You don't... You do not know how to do this. Yeah, there's... Look, this is an element to it that it's like he just...

It's like it's not as simple as like we've got to be on social media because it's like you could go viral on social media in a bad way. You know what I mean? Like there's there's a difference between going viral and something that's that's helpful and something that's disastrous. You know, like like, you know, Kamala Harris had a ton of things that went viral during the election when she said,

on the view that she couldn't think of anything that she would have done differently than Joe Biden. That went viral. It also destroyed any chance she had, if she had any chance of winning the election. And it just, it gives off, it's such, it just gives off such imposter energy. Like it's, it's like, oh, you're, you know, say what you will about Donald Trump, but he was always being Donald Trump, right?

It wasn't like there was some other Donald Trump and he was trying to be just like that. And, you know, there is... It's like...

They're going and doing things that are like... They'll be doing like an internet viral trend, but it was like a trend three years ago. And then they come out and do it and you're like, I don't know, that's all wrong. Like, that's not how this works. So yes, anyway, it is just delusional. I mean, maybe this is just what he has to say and he knows the truth, but it is delusional to be like, we have this strong bench and they're really connecting with social media and all this shit. The truth is that...

Even, you know, even amongst things like like, OK, there's that call her daddy podcast. And I don't know exactly. You know, I literally I saw some of the episode of Kamala Harris. I've never watched that podcast before. I don't really think it's for me. But from what I understand, it does get a lot of views. And so it's like it's a big show. But even amongst people who watch that show.

it's not necessarily moving the needle that Kamala Harris went on it, you know? And something like, say for example, like Taylor Swift is undeniably huge. You know, she's the biggest like a musician, I think ever. I think she, I think her last tour was like the biggest tour in history. Um,

But her telling people to vote for Kamala Harris didn't move the needle at all. And so it's like there's the truth is that the Democrats are just you kind of can't overstate it. They're getting annihilated in the podcast social media.

Just just destroy. So for him to sit here and say, oh, we've gotten better and we got Corey books out there doing it's like, yeah, come on, dude. This is total bullshit. All right. Let's let's play some more rallying. So we have a load of talent in our caucus. And I'll tell you one thing. We are totally united in one thing.

Many things, but one thing above all, we are united in going after Trump and showing the American people that he is making the middle class pay for the tax cuts on the rich. Right. Today, we're doing it on Medicaid. You know, we're good. Yeah, let's pause it. The fact that you would take your entire party to just unite to undermine another person.

That's not a very good message. How about United on trying to make a better life for the working class? And so there's, it's just the wrong message. You're not supposed to be in front of us talking about the team sport aspect. And we're just here to undermine that guy.

It's so stupid. And yes, OK, he did kind of tie it to like going after Trump. And then it almost seemed like he felt that he needed to say and how he's making the middle class pay for the tax cuts or something like that. But like it is so stupid. I mean, it's so obvious, like why?

He the the move is that we're all united to make life better for the working class, to make life better for middle class Americans, to make like that's what you're united in or even even united in something like to get free health care or to get, you know, whatever, something that makes people's lives materially better to be. We're all united like in opposing Donald Trump.

what first of all yeah we know that's not new that's the thing that got you here like what what is that obviously you all oppose donald trump but like for your whole thing it does just come off which is the truth which is like undeniably the truth and this again as we we mentioned was um

one of the most powerful, and it was a rhetorical trick, but it was one of the most powerful moments of Donald Trump's State of the Union speech, which was very well received by the American people. But his most part where he goes, I could do anything and these guys are going to vote.

you know? And when you take on, first of all, he's pointing that out. It's also undeniably true that people just hate Donald Trump so much that they're going to oppose him. The people who hate him are going to oppose him no matter what he does. But for Chuck Schumer to actually say that it's like, Oh, so now you're putting yourself in a position where we're playing politics. And like you said, team sports. And so what we're just going to oppose Donald Trump, even if he does something that's good for the country. Um,

Now, in terms of the substance, I mean, I guess he's about to get into it so we can – you know what? I'll save that and then we can respond to this. But in terms of the argument here he's laying out is that the middle class are going to have to pay for the tax cuts for the rich. Again, just the same old message. I mean it's unbelievable. Like it's –

Could you like tell me any scenario in life where you have a catastrophic failure, whether that would be professionally or personally, romantically, whatever. You have a catastrophic failure. And then as a result of that, you go, I think what we should do is continue doing all of the same things. Like, when does that ever make sense? And this message of like, you know,

You want tax breaks for the rich and the middle class will have to pay that. The rich should pay their fair share type shit is like this is the same is the same exact thing you guys always say. This is the new thing. We're united in our opposition to Donald Trump and the rich should pay their fair share. All right. Way to deal with the situation you're facing. All right. Let's just play the next little bit and we'll break that down and then we'll wrap.

Going to do it very soon on the tariffs. He wants to put these tariffs in. It's going to raise you folks, the average family, $2,000 a year for these tariffs. Why is he doing that? Something so stupid. Why?

He wants to use that money for tax cuts for the billionaires. The Republican Party is a different kettle of fish than it used to be. And that's why we're fighting them so hard. They are controlled by a small group of wealthy, greedy people. And you know what their attitude is? I made my money all by myself. How dare your government take my money from me? I don't want to pay taxes.

Or I built my company with my bare hands. How dare your government tell me how I should treat my customers, the land and water that I own, or my employees? They hate government. Government's a barrier to people, a barrier to stop them from doing things. They want to destroy it. We are not letting them do it, and we're united. Okay. Man, you know, sometimes I just wish...

i would just love to live in a world where the democrats caricature of the republicans was accurate man i really wish they hated government and were trying to destroy it but unfortunately that's not the reality i i do you know

Obviously, there's a lot that's just factually wrong. It's just kind of like garbage economics and, you know, just bad, inaccurate understanding of the way things work. But I just can't tell you, like, I just find it so profoundly evil to have somebody like Chuck Schumer.

who is worth like, I mean, I don't know his exact net worth off the top of my head, but he's worth an ungodly amount of money. He's made his money by being a quote unquote public servant. And then he's sitting here and mocking people who built a successful business and how they feel like they did it themselves. Right.

And, you know, of course, it's also like a straw man argument. I mean, I don't I don't think I've ever heard anyone who's built a business literally say, I did this all on my own with my bare hands. I had no help at all. Obviously, all of us.

have help in one way or another down to very, very basic things that we all take for granted. Like we're speaking a language right now that we didn't invent. You know what I mean? Like there's always like the, we, we always stand on the shoulders of like all of human history. Um, but yeah,

The idea that somebody in the parasitical government class is lecturing people who did build and create things about how they feel like it's rightfully theirs. First of all, it's evil. You're supposed to be a servant of the people who you're mocking right now. And then on top of that, it's also like,

What in what way does this message resonate with anyone? You sit there at the end and say, hey, we're united now. Yeah, you're united with a 24 percent approval rating. Who's united? You're like you guys might be united. The American people are the most united I've ever seen them in rejecting you. So but yeah, you know, most people actually do think of their money as theirs, right?

Most people, when they work for money and they get a paycheck, they think of that as their paycheck, not that it belongs to you. I don't know. Any other thoughts on this one, Rob? Even this, it seems like he was being cut by a commercial break, and so he didn't get to quite explain what he was trying to get out. And so he basically just pitched it backwards. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's also the other thing, too, is that this this idea that, you know, this has just been true for a long period of time. It's a it's.

When he, you know, this talk about tax cuts for billionaires, it's all just made up nonsense. It's all fucking nonsense. Billionaires don't pay income tax in a meaningful way. It's like, and I mean, I'm not saying like they don't literally don't pay any taxes, but like,

billionaires, their salary is the least of any. I mean, I think there were many years where Warren Buffett didn't have a salary. I think a lot of the richest people on earth don't even pay themselves salaries. These people have, you know, you don't when anyone talks about Elon Musk, nobody goes, did you see what he made last year? Like in terms of a salary, they talk about his net worth, what his companies are worth.

billionaires are paying capital gains taxes. Okay. And so the idea that, that this has anything to do with an income tax is just all ridiculous. The people, billionaires have

have, first of all, they have the system rigged in their favor. They have armies of accountants and tax lawyers to figure out every single loophole and then manage their wealth around that. Who ends up getting banged out by taxes, by income taxes, is the upper middle class.

that's who ends up paying you know what I mean it's not it's it's like the doctor it's not the billionaire it's it's the the doctor who makes like 600 grand a year and then has to pay like half of that to the government like that's who you end up like going after with these taxes but this idea that the Democrats like to like you know because if you say it like that like the way it really is the way it works then you're more likely to be like oh

Oh, my doctor like got my kid better when he was sick. I don't really hate him. You know what I mean? It's like when you just say the billionaire, it's like, oh, you're picturing Scrooge McDuck and he's sitting on a pile of money. Share a little bit of that money. Come on. What? You know, but it's like, no, the people who actually get like like really bear the burden of these of raising income taxes is is people who are, you know,

The ones who are essentially what's left of the middle class, because you kind of have to be making six figures to be in the middle class these days. So anyway, this is just all nonsense. And yeah, Democrats are in trouble, man. This is they got to get this old. They got to get this old fart out of the way because he is not going to be. I mean, listen, I don't like it. I don't like any of them. But Gavin Newsom seems right now to be like the only one that is even.

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