Who is the Woke Right?
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All right, so there's a video that I came across today that I was just kind of like, I really want to spend today's episode responding to it. And I want to say there's a couple reasons why I wanted to talk about this. So I've been having this thought lately, Rob, last few days as I've been traveling in my moments waiting to board my plane when I've been thinking about what's going on in the world. I've been thinking a lot about that, you know, we...

think one of the things I think we try to do on the show that I hope we do a pretty good job of is We I think we try our best to not get lost in the moment Even when we're living through things where crazy moments are happening We kind of try to focus on the most important story or zoom out and and take a look at what's really happening here on the bigger picture and so one of the things I've been thinking about for a few days is that

There is, and I want everybody, including Trump supporters, to hear me when I say this, that there is a reasonable chance that in a few weeks, the Trump thing is done. Now, I'm not, forget whether you think he's going to win or lose. You'd have to admit it's Trump.

all indications are it's fairly close at this point and there's a shot that he doesn't win also you know trump supporters all you guys believe he didn't really lose the last time either right and he was in that time so maybe they if they did it then maybe they do it again i'm just saying whatever the scenario is or maybe trump just blows it uh maybe the strategy of ducking the press for the most part works for kamala harris whatever i'm just saying there's a there's a

a chance that we're very close to the Trump thing essentially being over like he's not running again he's too old he's not going to say oh in four years I'll come back and do it again like this is the end of Trump as at least in the capacity as being the guy who is you know filling the lane he's filled for the last eight years president or candidate um

And that's just like a very interesting dynamic. You know, you have this kind of like energy that was rallied to this one guy, these people who are very upset with the establishment. And for the most part, you know, the right half of America, including the entire conservative population, whatever that exactly means, they all support this guy.

where do they go if this is over? You know, like what's the next step in this? And it just like the, the thing that's like, if you have, if you come from the position that me and you do, I think there's, it's almost impossible to not see that and think to yourself, okay, well, like that's where the action is. You know what I mean? That's where, that's where the action is for the future of this country going forward. Whoever can kind of like take over that

Whoever could hopefully, God willing, guide it in the most positive direction possible. You know what I mean? Like there's like all of these things are just like when you start thinking about it, you realize like, oh, this is a really big story. This is like really where things are going to go. You get what I'm saying with all that? And it's just it's kind of interesting. I don't know my personal feeling. I'm curious what yours is. But my guess would be, yeah.

I don't think there's any way it's not going to be some type of anti-establishment populist energy. I don't think the establishment Republicans can recover the Trump base. I don't know what you think about that.

Four years is a long ways away. And Trump does a very bad job of picking people around him. I think J.D. Vance is proof of that. I think everyone he had put up in the midterm elections that didn't win is proof of that. I think if there's one thing

Donald Trump is flawed with. I mean, look at everyone he staffed in his last administration that were basically deep state kooks. I don't think Donald Trump's very good at anointing. Hey, here's my next person. But I also don't know that he has the power to anoint who the next person is. I think, you know, it's going to be who his base organically supports. Right now, it's very hard to imagine the Trump supporters anointing anyone else to the king status that Donald Trump has.

I don't I don't think it's very hard for me to see that. But at the same time, that will drastically change if Trump loses this election. By the way, I'm not trying to get Trump supporters down. By the way, this also still even applies when you zoom out. If Donald Trump wins.

Okay, Donald Trump wins and he's in. He's not standing for election again. So where does this energy go after that? All right, I would hope like a Vivek just crushes it the next time around. That's what I would hope. That's the guy who it seems to be the only one who is positioned who could be it, who is actually a very attractive choice for being that guy where you're like, oh, if he actually really had a lot more influence, that could really substantially make this movement better.

With that said, I could see a reverting to the mean. And there are some young studs on the Republican bench. Tom Cotton and Josh Hawley are the two that kind of most come to mind. And I think you might see a general pitch of, hey, the reason why we lost is because we went so far outside of the box. What we need is a good establishment Republican to actually win that the moderates can get behind. And I think...

I think if Trump loses again, the Trump run might be over and people like to win and you might see a pitch for reverting to the mean. Yeah. My suspicion is that something has been unlocked in these last eight years that I don't think you can put away. And it's that your average right winger is not only – your average Trump supporter –

is not only aware that the corporate media and the deep state and like the entire apparatus is, they're not only aware that they're like incompetent, they're aware that they're fake and they're evil and that they hate their guts. Like, it's not a matter of like, you know,

They don't think CNN is the best source for news or something like that. It's like they, you know what I mean? And it's going to have to be, I think someone who captures that energy. And I think it's going to be very tough for one of those guys to do it, but I could be wrong. Anyway, as I'm thinking about this, okay.

So this is just what's in the back of my mind. I don't know if you've noticed this, but I have noticed this trend on social media basically since the Daryl Cooper interview on Tucker Carlson, which we've talked a bunch about. And I had Daryl on the show and we've done episodes on this before. So without even just like beating a dead horse here and like making the same points again, but...

since that episode, I've noticed this term woke right has been thrown out around a lot. Now you may remember Rob, I was throwing this term woke right around, um, over the last year, quite a bit. I did it first. Uh, some other people came in and stole it from me. If you believe in intellectual property. Um, and, uh, so guys like, um,

um constantin uh kasin who i uh i i debated on michael malice's show a couple years ago um he's one of the guys uh james lindsey uh there's a few other people who have been been throwing this around the woke right and they're accusing essentially i mean the figures involved it i haven't heard anyone specifically call me out but it was like

you know, Tucker and Candace and Daryl, who are all kind of, you know, my guys. And like, I've done all of their shows and they've done my shows and stuff. So like, we're, you know, I, it, it seems to be referring to the things that I agree with them on. So I'm just saying, Rob, we might be the woke, right? Essentially for today's show, I want to, I want to get to the bottom of it. Who is the woke, right? And I'm going to make my case for why I think that, uh,

I'm using the term more correctly and that it makes more sense to call out people like Constantine as being the woke, right? And a lot of people, like I think it's a descriptor that

describes a lot of people who consider themselves to be right wing. I'm talking of course about all the like, um, hawkish defenders of Israel. Um, so all of them, uh, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson. And, um, I think a whole lot of these people, Laura Loomer, all of them, these are all like the woke, right? Um, now the reason I say it is because I don't know.

Just open your eyes and look at it, Rob. So here we'll start with my case and you can tell me how you feel. So over the last year, we've seen a movement of people who consider themselves to be on the right, many of whom have made millions of dollars off of being free speech warriors who went around smacking down college woke kids because they demanded safe spaces and

Every time they were losing an argument, they would just call you a bigot. And they would support laws that would restrict freedom of speech. Hate speech is not freedom of speech, right? A lot of these people, Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson, they made their rise to fame off of destroying those guys. And then over the last year, who has been...

calling you a bigot to shut down discussion? Who has been demanding safe spaces on college campuses? Who has been promoting laws to crack down on free speech? I don't, maybe I'm missing it. I haven't seen any of that from the critics of Israel.

I certainly haven't seen that from any of the people who they are calling the woke right. So anyway, we're going to play this video by Constantine. And he goes through who he thinks the woke right is and what they are. Let's kind of break it down and let's see. I don't know. Am I crazy here, Rob? Those traits that I listed seems pretty much...

Very, very similar to the woke. I think when you're opposing free speech and you don't want critical reasoning and what you prefer is censorship because certain things are too offensive and certain opinions shouldn't even be allowed to exist and we shouldn't explore them. That certainly feels like the position of the woke. Sounds right to me. And before we play this video, I'll just say I'm impressed that the Geico lizard is having a second career. Yeah.

I will say, nothing personal against Constantine. Oh, I'll make personal insults. That's what I'm here for, though. No, but I do like the guy enough. He was nothing but respectful when we debated. There's Trigonometry or something. His podcast, it's wildly...

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These days it is used by those of us who believe in reality to mock the lunatic fringe of the left, but it was not always thus.

While the word has come to mean an ideology obsessed with victimhood, identity and the falsification of history to suit today's political agenda, those who once proudly called themselves woke intended something else. It was at that time a self-congratulatory label, which meant first and foremost being aware of and actively attentive to important facts and issues, especially in relation to racial and social justice.

As has been discussed ad nauseum, in practice, what this awareness of facts pertaining to various forms of justice meant was a framework in which certain groups were victims and other groups were victimizers. Some groups were suffering, and their suffering was the responsibility of other groups. Let's pause it right there. So, I mean, I don't know. Look, I think we'll get into kind of like the way Constantine is laying this out in a second, but...

It's when you're when you're making a comparison between these two groups, you'd probably want to be as specific as you can. You know, the problem with this, I'm like this thing where you go just relying on a victim group.

I'm just saying there's this whole group of people on the right wing, a few of whom I've just listed, but a lot more. Donald Trump is one of them who support the Zionist Israeli cause. They support this war that Israel is waging right now. And by the way, they do tend to bring up the fact that Jews have been a victim group.

The people who are talking about Jews on college campus right now and what a tough environment it is are talking about a victim group. That's what they're saying. And like, I don't know, college presidents have been fired at major Ivy League universities over this stuff. It's not as if you could just say, well, they have this whole victim ideology. I don't see any

Like you could claim yours is legitimate or that popular one is legitimate, but I don't know if there's a similarity there as well. By the way, almost every ideology has a victim of some sense. So it's not particularly useful to make that the comparison. But anyway, let's keep playing. Which had conspired to mistreat and take advantage of them. But a conspiratorial worldview of this nature cannot be maintained on faith alone.

Explanations had to be given for why this false narrative was, in fact, not false at all. First, and highly relevant to our imminent discussion of the woke right, the woke left never claimed that the arguments they were making were true. Instead, rather than attempting to prove the impossible, they wisely made an entirely different claim. "Truth," they argued, "is merely a linguistic projection of power." The powerful brainwashed the rest of us into seeing the things they want us to believe as the truth.

To claim that something is true is to abuse the power you have over others. It is an act of linguistic violence. This is why if you were to assert that you know how many genders there are, or quote facts about contentious social issues, such as police violence against minorities, that would be used as evidence of your poor character and nefarious intent.

All it showed was your bias, fragility, and so on. If this sounds a little abstract, a more concrete and even more relevant example is what the worksters did to history. Okay, let's pause it right there because he's about to get into the history thing. So yeah, I mean they have this victim group and they claim that if you say anything, like just say something –

That that in itself is like an act of aggression. They don't believe in truth. Okay. And if you point out historical events that are, let's say, much more complex than the way they simplify them at best and at worst just straight up not true.

Um, if you point that out, they claim that you pointing that out is evidence of you being a bad person. Now, I just want to be clear here. We're talking about the right, like broadly speaking, the right. And I mean, I've seen, I mean, I've been called, uh, an anti-Semite and a self-hating Jew more this year than I could possibly recount. Um, uh, John Podhoretz from Commentary Magazine, uh,

um he uh when thomas massey said we're broke and we can't afford to fund other people's wars so he was voting against the increased military uh aid to israel uh john pod horowitz called him anti-semitic scum for voting against for saying hey we're 35 trillion dollars in debt we can't afford to give handouts to other countries that makes you anti-semitic scum according to them so like

Okay. I just...

The people who you're going after, like if you want to compare anyone on the right to woke or claim that they're the right woke, what tell me what Tucker or Candace or anyone like that or Daryl Cooper have done that is in any way in that universe where they would weaponize this claim of like, like, dude, calling someone anti-Semitic scum. Like, dude, that sounds like something you should say to like a guard at Auschwitz.

You know what I mean? Like it's just like who's weaponizing this accusation of bigotry in such a vicious and uncalled for way out of the group of people who you're talking about on that level. You can't find any examples of it. Yeah.

When it comes to the woke thing, like, you know, when they used to say, you know, Jews run the media, it'd be a funny thing to read on the front page of the newspaper because it's like, well, then why is that here? If they really run the newspaper, why is the front page of the newspaper letting me know that the Jews are, you know, keeping all the real information for me and manipulating my mind? It doesn't seem like that would be on the front page.

There's a funny thing additionally about the woke people that they're always claiming we don't have the power while they control the universities. They were, you know, the entire racket of Fed money in the ESG scores. They had all the power while trying to pretend other people are manipulating your mind. And the fact that I released the way he's defining woke is that, you know,

We I guess we're I don't know. The problem is I'm not an idiot, so I have a hard time explaining their stupidity. But that we're all propagating racism and I guess taking keeping down minorities because the system keeps down minorities. So unless you're willing to overcome and go out of your way to facilitate propping up minorities, then I guess you're part of this system that is artificially keeping them down. Yeah, something. Let's go with that as the working definition. But I do. Well, I do like your point.

very much about another like kind of stark similarity there, which is that, you know, there you do see this thing to where it's very similar to the woke behavior where Ben Shapiro will say our government is run by Hamas.

Right. When, when clearly there's more funding going to Israel than Hamas. I mean, it's just bananas. And then it's kind of like, if you know, it's like for, for the claims that, you know, like the people who probably Ben Shapiro hates the most would make that, like the Jews run the government or something like that, which is not the claim we're making exactly. But, but,

You know, that is so much more plausible or reasonable, I should say, than saying Hamas runs. I mean, come on. Like, what are we... So it is very similar to, like, the woke college kid who...

somehow imagines that they are standing up to the powerful as they have the same message as every single one of their professors, every giant corporation, every politician, everyone in Hollywood, everyone in the corporate media, yet they still feel in some sense like they are the counterculture. There is a very, a strikingly similar dynamic with a lot of the Zionist hawks who, um,

who just constantly act as if Israel is the put upon, you know, kind of like a victim here, while the reality is that Israel has the backing, the full 100% backing of the biggest, most powerful, badass bully country that's ever existed and has essentially, within any degree of reason, allowed them to do whatever the hell they want to.

to the Palestinians and their neighbors in Lebanon and Syria, in Iran. So anyway, it's just there is a pretty stark similarity there as well. Okay, let's keep going with the video. Destroy, both physically and reputationally, anything about the past that served as a reminder of the achievements of our society.

Statues were torn down and defaced. Historical figures on whom we'd looked with pride or to whom we looked for inspiration were attacked. Why? Because history, and the truth more broadly, is to humans what roots are to trees. It is a way of knowing which way is up and which way is down.

Stripper people of the history destroy the concept of truth itself, and they're left unmoored, floating in limbo, pushed and pulled in random directions by every new seductive force that comes along. As Hannah Arendt powerfully explained, the concept...

Let's go ahead. I got to be honest. I don't buy people's obsession with history or that. Hey, if you don't know history, it's bound to repeat itself. If you take a bunch of random schmucks, you throw them on an island and they have no concept of anything that's ever happened before them in any period of time. And someone gets up them and says, hey, I'd like to create a system of fairness. And here's my concept of fairness. We're going to value freedom. Those people will have a better moral compass than any of us living here today.

So the idea that you need to have a full, robust knowledge of it. And firstly, it's all going to be, it's like that Norm Macdonald joke about, Oh, look in the history books, the people, what's his joke that everyone, everyone that was right. One every single time. What a coincidence that is. Yes. How lucky were we here? Yeah. Yeah.

how lucky was I to have history classes in high school where the evil conservatives tried to preserve our government. And then the liberals came around and kept doing new deals and other things to help the poor. And if you're against that, you're an evil person. So I, I,

I'm just saying our history is misguided and people's like whatever his argument here is of that we need to have a robust understanding and agreement about history in order to. I don't even think that's true. Look, let me I think that's actually a very interesting point. But so, OK, this is what I'll say going a little bit further just about like what he's doing here.

And a lot of arguments that it's interesting making these videos and putting them out online, taking these like opinions. Sometimes there are these almost like framing tricks, right?

where you make it sound like you're making a connection and you have an argument here. But if you just kind of turn the thing and examine it from this angle, you're like, no, listen, dude, this whole thing falls apart. And one of the framing tricks would be something like, let's say, I don't know, there's like a librarian, some woman. And I say, I go, Rob and this woman are exactly alike. They're exactly alike. I start like comparing them.

And you were like, you're like, well, what do you mean? They're like, they look totally different. They have different jobs. They're totally different people. And I was like, well, they're both human beings or something like that. You'd be like, okay, but you said they're just alike. And that just makes them as alike as every single human being. So like that comparison is ridiculous. It'd be like, they're both wearing pants or something like that. Like, yeah, okay.

You could always find some random things that are cut, but you're like, is that really central? Is that right? So if you notice what Constantine did here is that he goes, you know, so one of the comparisons to the woke is they like to tear down history.

both physically and metaphorically, you know? And here they are physically tearing down these statues. And it almost brings up that example of how destructive and bad. You kind of have a visceral reaction to that. The thing is that

Nobody on the woke right is doing any of that. The people who we say are the woke right or the people who he says are the woke right, none of them are tearing down statues. So that's just not a parallel. Like I gave several, you gave several parallels, okay? This one doesn't fit.

So now you use the imagery of that being a similarity, and then you're going to go, but more broadly, metaphorically speaking, tearing down history also makes you woke. So what he's in effect done here, and think about how sneaky this is, is essentially just said, all revisionist history is woke.

And that's, it doesn't matter if you ever say that anything was not as simple as the official story was, and there were more complexities to it than that, then you are, you're woke. You're the right woke, which is so ridiculous when you just think about that. So ridiculous. So we could never say like, what if I just say like, you know, I don't, you know, I mean, look, dude, look at the fucking

the fucking history. You know which wars they lied us into? Every one. Every goddamn one they lied us into. They lied us into World War I. They lied us into Vietnam. Everybody knows they lied us into Iraq. They lied us into all these goddamn wars. So we're never supposed to go back and correct the record over what the official story was?

Like, this is just such a ridiculous standard. That doesn't mean that's not the same as tearing down statues. That's not the same as trying to destroy history. The idea is to discover history. All that stuff about the roots to the trees. Well, this is all just you're just assuming your conclusion. You're assuming that your history is correct.

You have to actually make that case. The argument that some of these people are making, I mean, specifically talking about Daryl Cooper here, but Candace Owens and others too, the argument that they're making is that this is what really happened, not what the official story is. You have to take on that argument. You can't just say you challenging the official story is you destroying history and saying we shouldn't be connected to history.

No, from their perspective, they're trying to connect people more to history. So this is just a dirty trick. There's been no argument made at all, but he's very intelligent and he's clever and he's got a British accent. So it sounds as if he just like presented something, but it was nothing. It's another plea to censorship and not using your critical reasoning.

Because like the way he defined the woke people is our agenda is too important. And so we need all of us to have this shared history that, for example, Churchill is great. And when he killed civilians in Dresden, it was important because there was this enemy. And if anything, that's the appeal for why you can go harm civilians in wars, because look, Churchill did it. And that's the only way we could have beat the Nazis.

Yes, that's the way that warfare is supposed to be fought. And we all need to have this shared roots because otherwise you won't have my conclusion. And so that's why I need to have censorship and you not questioning the roots of this. Sounds kind of woke. Right. Right. And like, look, it's like I understand, as Daryl Cooper said, this is like a load bearing story. Like a lot relies on this. But that's also kind of the point. The point is that.

Every goddamn Warhawk's justification for every goddamn war comes down to Hitler,

uh um appeasement you know what i mean like it's all just like no you don't appease that's the one lesson of history and the lesson is you attack maybe even attack earlier be aggressive and that is used in every goddamn war every single war hawk invokes the second world war

There's not a single... How many Israel-Palestine debates have I done over the last year? You know how many World War II didn't get evoked in? None. They always bring it up, even when it's Hamas. If they compare Gaza to the goddamn Third Reich, how ridiculous that is that they compare them. Hamas are Nazis now.

The same thing. We're all going to be speaking. What do they speak? Aramaic? Not Aramaic. What's the goddamn? Anyway, Arabic. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just it's all just so ridiculous.

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The people who can no longer distinguish between the truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies. With such a people, you can do whatever you want. The work logic operates like this: there are good and bad identity groups. You can't trust anything you've been taught about history or anything you're being told today because your beliefs are based on lies spread by people who are in control of society.

There is another select group of people, us, who understand what's really going on, and we're bravely raising awareness of the issue. Anyone who disagrees with us or criticizes us is doing so because they're a bad person, and their criticism and disagreement just proves that we are right and they're bad. The work revolution which occurred over the last 10 years was bad enough. Isn't that a perfect explanation for his criticism of Daryl Cooper?

I mean, Lennon, didn't he literally just define what his criticism is going to be of, hey, I'm in the good group. He's in the bad group. Don't listen to what he has to say. Well, this is also, again, like I said, if I was saying two people were very similar and then you went like, oh, really? They're very similar. And you said, how? And I said, they're both people. You'd be like, that's not a really good follow up.

Because like when you said they're similar, I thought you meant particularly similar for people. Like it was already a given that they were people. And so again, so much of this is so vague that it's almost like they have a good group and they have a bad group and they feel like they're the superior ones because they know the truth.

Who doesn't that apply to? You know what I mean? Like you haven't actually found anything that's unique about the woke thing. Like that's, it just doesn't seem like that's really what the threat, every group of people, every,

have those characteristics every every political camp feels like they kind of have the answers and the other ones don't really get it and they're right and they're wrong or and as you said this like perfectly this applies to him also in this very video uh yeah so let's keep playing enough but the iron law of reality is that every action has an equal and opposite reaction

Having lived through a decade of this race Marxism which spread through elite institutions like an aggressive cancer, I believe we are now witnessing the emergence of an equivalent phenomenon on the fringes of the right. Tucker Carlson has just hosted a man called Darrell Cooper on his show, describing him as maybe the best and most honest popular historian in the United States.

Cooper, who goes by the online Monica Marta Maid, is indeed incredibly honest. In addition to thinking that Adolf Hitler, a genocidal mass murderer, strolling through the Paris he had just conquered is highly preferable to drag queens. Pause it for a second. I mean, it's just so goddamn insane, dude. So literally, your video is labeling Daryl Cooper and Tucker Carlson as part of the woke right.

And to prove that they're woke, you're going to find the most offensive tweet from someone else in an attempt to what? Smear them as a bigot. It's like, yeah, Daryl Cooper, like, as he said on the show, he shit posted one time and then he deleted it because he was like enough. People were like, ah, dude, you probably shouldn't tweet that. It was like, all right, fine.

It's like, I don't know. It's obviously there's just a play on the contrast and imagery there between like, almost like it's almost this cartoonish vision of the most right wing thing your brain can imagine and the most left wing thing your brain can imagine. I don't know. Like, but just for a constant sin, if you're calling someone woke for this to be your argument is insane.

astoundingly weak and contradictory. Like what? So that's it. He's a bigot. He tweeted something offensive to me one time that was clearly, clearly at least partially like to be offensive.

provocative, like, okay, fine. Maybe you think it's in bad taste, but like, Jesus Christ. All right, let's keep playing. Listen, I'm not going to defend this tweet because I don't know where it's coming from or what the point of it is, but to go, hey, we got to discredit this person because he had this one offensive tweet doesn't sound base to me. Well, right. I mean, it's like...

The thing is that you go, so Tucker Carlson called this guy the best, most important, popular, contemporary historian. And he goes, but he tweeted this once. You're like, well, why did Tucker say all that stuff about him? Like, I wonder why. Oh, yeah, because the dude's fucking phenomenal. Like, go check out his work. He's phenomenal. Like, that's why you guys go, oh, but you have a tweet. All right, let's keep playing.

explained that Churchill was the chief villain of World War II. The thread he posted on X following his interview with Carlson is so historically illiterate that every major claim he made was debunked on X itself within hours with community notes

And in articles published by prominent historians, such as Victor Davis Hansel, Neil Ferguson and others. But this video is not about Cooper. I do not find him interesting. Pause it for a second. OK, so Daryl's not remotely interesting. It's like, I mean, I have to bring him up, but he's not even interesting. Yeah, right, right.

He's not even interesting, and yet all of these historians... It's pretty funny, right? Victor Davis Hanson wrote a rebuttal to his whole thing, but he's not even interesting. It's like... Also, like, you know, through this whole... Listen, we've kind of talked about this to death, but through this whole Daryl Cooper controversy, it's really just boiled down to, like, there are two types of people. The people who, like...

have consumed his work and the people who have no idea what they're talking about. But like to say the guy isn't interesting is legitimately insane. He's like, he's a fascinating guy objectively. Um, and it's, it's a, it's a childish insult. Um, but you know, aside from, from all of this, it's like, again, Hey, I mean, look, he got community noted with Wikipedia entries, um,

Well, I guess his history is wrong then. Is that the arbiter of truth now? And it's like, you know, I will say, by the way, what almost all these guys, and I don't even know where Constantine was on this, but I feel like almost all these guys, like for the guys who I'm labeling as the woke right, almost all of them failed the COVID test.

Just saying something for right wingers to keep in mind. I'm not saying that that conclusively proves anything, but almost every single one of them was from Ben Shapiro to Jordan Peterson to like all the Ben Shapiro was telling you to get the jab. Don't be a dope. That was where he was during COVID. Like how many of them were against the lockdowns in any reasonable time? I'll give you till June of 2020.

How many? You know what I mean? And it's like, so just maybe sit the one out where you go, that was fact checked on social media. Maybe you don't get maybe take a few years off from playing that card that that automatically means something is true or not true. All right, let's keep playing.

and have always been lying charlatans and overconfident fools. What is interesting is the warm welcome he received on Tucker Carlson's show and what that represents. The woke right for which Carlson is the undisputed spiritual leader is feeling its way to a logic of its own. It is far from being fully formed, but it goes something like this: "You can't believe anything you are being told. Look how they lied to you about Trump. True. Covid.

True, and Biden winning the 2020 election. False. What if they also lie to you about everything else? We don't claim to know the truth. We're just asking questions. But we know what the truth is not, whatever the elites are telling you. Look how triggered they are by us just asking questions. That's evidence of their bias and fragility. It proves we are right. This is where historical revisionism comes in. Okay, let's pause it. Just like the work left, the work right now

Pause it there because now he's getting into historical revisionism. I mean, I don't know how anybody, including Constantine himself, could look at that. Like if I just played that back to him in front of him and I just went, be honest, dude, was that not the most...

retarded straw man you've ever heard in your life. Like you're finally, you've made no argument this whole time, this whole video, five minutes and 35 seconds into it. We, by the way, when I just made my case at the very beginning that woke right applies to these pro-Israel hawks more, I rattled off like four or five good points. This is why they're similar in this way, this way, this way, this way, all pretty fundamental to the identity of being woke. You are sitting here now, five minutes into this video,

Just completely... Like, I don't even know what to say to that. Nobody's ever said what you just said. Nobody's ever said, the elites lied to you about this, this, and this. Therefore, everything they say is wrong. And therefore, if they get upset when we say it's wrong, that's proof that we're right. Tucker's never said anything remotely close to that. Daryl's never said anything like that. Candice has never said anything like that. I've never said anything... Like, what more response to that do you want? If you wanted to take on maybe...

something reasonable that I would stand by that I, I would venture to guess that both, uh, that, that Daryl Tucker and Candace would agree with me when I, if I said this, if I said, look, uh, yeah, these people are not to be trusted anymore. They get every goddamn major story wrong and they don't just happen to get it wrong. They get it wrong because they have an agenda. And so you can't really trust the corporate media in any way, shape or form.

I think that's true. But if they tell me the sky is blue, I don't assume that's a lie. It doesn't mean everything they say is wrong. This is just a ridiculous straw man. I don't know. What else can you say to that? All right, let's keep lying. Right has come to hate the West for the reasons I detailed in my previous video. Well, what is more? Well, what else are they lying about? Let's pause that there. This is something, this is really, um,

Again, I just see this as being very similar to the woke stuff. He said they all hate the West.

We all hate the West because we don't agree because we dare to say that, you know, the biggest bloodbath in human history maybe was a mistake. Maybe there was a way to avoid that. That means you hate the West. Like you're telling me if you don't just blindly support the official narrative about the worst thing that ever happened to the West, you hate the West.

Like what I hate that we hate the West. If we hate the fucking Warhawks, well, what I'm allowed to hate the Warhawks today or something like that, but I can't hate like the Lindsey Graham of the fifties or the forties or whatever. You know what I mean? Like, it's all just so goddamn ridiculous.

It's just insane. It's all so, dude, you know, all this talk, it's just, dude, I saw, did you see this, Rob? The video of, what's his name out there in Pennsylvania, who was almost the VP Shapiro?

Signing. I didn't watch the video, but I saw I didn't I didn't I didn't click on the video, but I saw that it was there and what he was doing is signing bombs. Same thing. Nick Nikki Haley was doing signing bombs that are going to go get dropped in Gaza, signing bombs that are going to go. I don't know. Get dropped in Russia, maybe.

That, you know, even I mean, like, look, dude, even if it's if it's soldiers, even if it's like conscripted Russian soldiers, you're like celebrating like it's just it's just so sickening and disgusting. But what the real outrage is fucking that somebody questioned the World War Two narrative or that people are doing revisionist history.

It's like it's just it's so beyond upside down. This is this is what you're you're outraged about. All right. And by the way, I'm sorry. That just doesn't mean that doesn't mean I hate the West and love the West. Goddamn trying to help it.

You know what I mean? Like what, what, what a ridiculous thing that if you hate, if you hate our war Hawks, these awful, just goddamn awful human beings who are signing bombs that are going to go blow up children. If you have a problem with that, I've, I, if you have more of a problem with that than you do with like antisemitism on college campuses, like,

If I'm slightly more appalled by Nikki Haley signing bombs that are going to be dropped on children than I am by like anti-Semitic tweets or something like that, then what? I'm the woke for prioritizing that? It's just – the argument is just so weak.

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...slope down which you inexorably slide if it becomes a lens through which you see the world. Just as a woke leftist sees a conspiracy against him that he calls systemic racism in every workplace, classroom and interaction, so a woke rightist sees a conspiracy against him in every institution, media publication and historical...

consensus. Importantly, disagreement and criticism only reinforces his belief in the conspiracy. Note how this is an exact mirror image of the woke left's approach to debate. Put forward false assertions, make no attempt to back them up when challenged, and use the criticism you receive as evidence of both your rightness and your righteousness. The one element that is still missing, which is why the ideology has yet to... Pause it right there, okay? Is that the scapegoat group behind the conspiracy. Okay, so, you know...

There's just kind of – it's, again, just so vague and dishonest. They have their conspiracies. They have their conspiracies. They all believe them to be true. They all believe them to be true. And they say if you challenge it, that's proof that their false assertion was – OK, but –

What's the false assertion? You got to like make the argument, like take on what they're claiming. What do you mean when you say that MAGA people believe that there's a conspiracy against them? Like, what do you mean by that? Do you mean that like there is a massive legal and financial effort to see people of color in positions of power that is a kind of racialist

slash sexual preference, gender ideology is, you know, like a movement that has the power of law and big corporate sponsorship behind it that is essentially hostile to straight white men. Like, cause that's,

enshrined in law. I mean, like, what is that? What we're talking about? I'm just saying, like, I have no idea what you're even saying. Is it the fact that people have been so conditioned to hate Donald Trump that for years, this might be slightly better now, but for years in major cities around the country, you, Constantine, would not walk the streets with a MAGA hat. You literally wouldn't do that.

There are neighborhoods in every goddamn city in this country where you simply wouldn't walk around in a MAGA hat. So I just specifically don't know. The point is that there...

There are conspiracies that are true and conspiracies that are false or, or theories that are true and theories that are false. So to say this side has their conspiracies and this side has their conspiracies, what conspiracies are they true or not? That's the relevant question. Okay. And don't lay any of that out. It's also, I seem to recall that he became super famous after, uh,

uh the green energy like uh global warming debate right wasn't that kind of a thing that platformed him i think that might be right it was at uh oxford i think he got some speech i can't remember yeah so if you're challenging the entire world system that's preaching hey we need government to step in and protect us from climate change so you're already kind of accepting hey government doesn't always tell me the truth or these systems are not always honest

And particularly when it comes to Donald Trump, I mean, we know that the CIA worked against him when crossfire hurricane. Well, I acknowledge that in the video. He said that you guys were right about them lying to you about COVID and Trump and whatever. It's like, right. So you're not so you're not swearing by the power structures of our system or that all information that come from our power structures is being accurate. Right.

So it sounds to me like you've already walked into the lane of, hey, we need to have critical reasoning in terms of what government's telling me, and we need to have a conversation about it. So he's not being very specific on what his rules are or limits or where you're allowed to have this conversation when you're not. Yes, I-

I also, by the way, again, you're like, it's just kind of rich to hear you saying, oh, they see these conspiracies where they're the victims. When I've literally sat feet away from Dennis Prager in the middle of a debate while he started getting choked up while he's explaining to me how anti-Semitism is a shape-shifting disease that is unlike all other diseases and is all around us at all times. And like, it's like, I'm just,

saying like there's other groups on the right who are far worse offenders of this idea that we believe in this conspiracy where we are the perpetual victims um and and not with real things that you can point to like you know what i mean like they're just that's just a fact um okay let's keep playing

The conspiracy is still unclear. To the work left, straight white men are the obvious source of the world's evils, but the work right has struggled to find an equally plausible culprit. They've experimented with globalists, Marxists and elites, but none of them fit the bill because they do not readily conjure an image of the suspect group in the mind of the average viewer.

If you asked 10 work writers to draw a picture of a globalist, a Marxist, or a member of the conspiratorial elite, they'd likely struggle. And because elites is what they've gone with for the moment, the logic doesn't really work. When most people on the work right think of the elites, they imagine a cabal of senior Democrats, billionaire funders, and the leaders of other major institutions.

The problem with that is that it's extremely difficult to believe that Kamala Harris and Joe Biden are orchestrating a conspiracy, given that they appear unable to get through a press conference. Okay, so let's pause it right there. So logically, I mean, this is again, I do think Constantine is a smart guy. I'm blown away by how weak this is. Like to sit there and say that,

Okay. They like, if you actually listen to what he just said there, his, he goes, okay, there's this one group who are like racialists and they pin all the blame on white men or something like that.

But the woke right have struggled to do that. They always blame the Marxists or the elite or whatever, the war hawks or the this. It's like, oh, so in other words, they don't just scapegoat an entire group of people.

Oh, so they're not. Oh, that's right. So Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson are not just becoming racialists and saying it's the blacks or it's the Jews or it's whoever they're saying. No, it's the people doing it. Like, what do you know? But they haven't been able to find the right term that captures the image of the group. Like, are you criticizing them for not falling into shallow tribalism? Yeah.

What exactly are you saying here? Like, what actually is the point of saying that they – and look, by the way, I've argued before about how misguided it is to call them all Marxists. You know who I argued that with? I argued that to Tucker Carlson. And you know what he said? He said, it hurts how right you are.

That isn't the right thing to call that. It's like, you don't even know what, like, this isn't even based on what people are actually saying. And it's like, yeah, we are blaming the people who are in power, who are destroying the country. Sorry if that doesn't conjure up an easy image. Like, what would you prefer I do? Like, what?

You want me to write like Hitler war propaganda or something like, like what type of like challenge is this? And then to go from that to go, Oh, I mean, come on, dude, I'm sorry. But for anybody paying attention to this shit, come on. Do you not just laugh off the argument where they go, you think it's a conspiracy? Joe Biden isn't even that smart. I mean, come on. Do I even have to respond to this? It's like, yeah, dude, the political class are puppets.

Obviously, ask anyone in this group that you're calling the woke right.

Ask Tucker or Candace or Daryl Cooper or any of us. Ask any of us what everybody has the obvious answer for that because, yeah, he's doing the bidding of other people. He's not really in charge. He's not like, yeah, OK. No, none of us think that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris are the masterminds of any conspiracies. But do you what are you going to take the position that there's no conspiracies then?

Like, how many did we just live through? You just acknowledged a few. So, hmm, I wonder how that happened with all those Nancy Pelosi's running around. How did they frame Donald Trump for treason then? Oh, I don't know. Oh, I guess it's because none of those people are the ones who led the thing. Oh, yeah, that's right. It was the CIA and the FBI and the Justice Department who did it. Okay, but...

Anyway, go ahead, Rob. I mean, it would just be incredible. Take global warming or any official narrative of government that Constantine doesn't agree with. And then if you presented the argument to him, well, do you think Joe Biden's so smart that he could pull off this conspiracy theory? And he'd be like, no, of course, that's not what I'm saying.

Right. I think Joe Biden probably made a bundle of money with his inflation reduction act that filtered a lot of money to green energy companies. And I don't know specifically what his payout was or what backing he needed, but I think that just made sense for him to remain in political power. And so he went ahead with it and that there's other people who were orchestrated. By the way, if all I mean for all these politicians, you say they're also goddamn stupid as well. They're all worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

But I'm just saying, if you don't like how how does he rectify this question with any of his positions that aren't in line with official government narrative? Your argument is just, hey, Joe Biden's too dumb to be orchestrating some massive conspiracy theory. So.

Does that mean that every official narrative for government must be accurate because Joe Biden at the top of the system is not smart enough to manufacture lies to you? Yeah, what does it come down to? Like if you don't believe the official government narrative or if you really are daring and you say you don't always believe the past official government narratives, you might even go back in history and say, hey, they were lying to us here. If you dare do that, you're the woke.

That's the extent of what we've got here. All right, let's keep playing. The point is so stupid. It's really bad. It's really, really bad. If you don't accept... All right, whatever. Let's continue. I already said it. President Putin. You can beat President Putin. President Zelensky. I'm going to come to the overflow room. By the way, just pause it one more time. I'm sorry.

Okay, before we let's go, we'll get to the war in Israel now in a second. But even just there, right? Do you just see how self defeating his point is here? So it's like, oh, let's play the clips of Joe Biden looking like he's clearly a guy who's incapacitated. It's like, yeah, and that's the guy who's the sitting president of the United States of America. So, so, so what, Constantine?

I'm someone else is running the country. That right there is kind of wild. They're fucking not according to him. Every official narrative is accurate because Joe Biden is too stupid to put together inaccurate information. So anything that comes from government, you're supposed to believe the guy who is clearly, I think that's the argument. Yes. The guy who is clearly incapable of being president, who many people around him would have been happy to have for another four years. If he didn't fuck up the debate so bad, uh,

What, that's proof that there's no conspiracies? I thought that was proof that we actually don't live in a democracy or a constitutional republic or anything like that because we don't have a duly elected president of the United States of America. Anyway, keep playing. He's got to watch Carlin's. It's a big club and you ain't in it. Candace Owens, another darling of the work right, whose ignorance and conspiratorial delusions are matched only by her charisma and bombastic arrogance,

it has provided the opportunity to hone in on something a little more tangible. She currently spends most of her time debating weird rabbis and ranting online about Frankists. I don't claim to know what she means exactly, but for some reason, her audience pepper her tweets with replies encouraging her to just say Jews. Whether the rest of the work right moves in this direction remains to be seen. All right, let's pause it. Gotta pause it one more time. Because let me just say, just, okay, so brings up Candace.

Absolutely. Just to be clear, like here, what actually happened here presents absolutely no argument, just some ad hominems, just insult her, says she spends all her time talking about the these ridiculous insults. She spends all of her time debating rabbis and talking about the Frank is because, yeah, she does a show on the Internet just like you.

I don't know what you're saying. What do you mean? What is she getting wrong? Is she getting something wrong? Then make an argument against it. But this just like this stupid imbecile who spends all her time debating rabbis, I think she's debated one. You're literally speaking about maybe two. I think she's debated two rabbis.

Those were two shows out of her many, many shows. That's not what she spends all her time doing. You're not making any points. And then you just admit, now I don't know what she's talking about. Like, right. So, okay. You haven't looked into it at all. I don't know if Candace is right about any of that Frank is stuff. To be honest, I haven't looked into it either. I haven't gotten the chance to, but yeah,

I don't know what a Franken is. Yeah. Well, like, right. So there you go. But like, okay, you've said nothing. You've made no argument. And then, okay. The one point you made is that, and it does seem to lead to a lot of your replies saying something bigoted. It's like, okay, I'm just saying, listen, as somebody who's tangled with some woke people over the years, being in the world of comedians and,

uh being like in in the world of like edgy comedians that made all of the jokes that over the years of wokeism you weren't allowed to make uh being a a guy who just hate is a political commentator who hates wokeism and stands up against it also um being involved in the libertarian party over the last few years where we did have a bit of an infestation of some wokeism in there I will tell you

that I have over the years quite often heard the argument that there are bigoted comments in your Twitter replies, things you didn't say, but things that people who followed you said in your replies, and that somehow is an indictment of you. I have heard that argument many, many times exclusively from the woke left.

They're the only people I've ever heard make that argument exclusively from the woke left. And that is the argument that you are now are delivering in your video about how this group of people are woke. I just saying that's not you're not exactly knocking it out of the park with that one.

There's something kind of funny about this. It's the giant circle of no one knowing what the fuck they're talking about. Like in my head, I almost hear just mod people of him being like, hey, I already said a thing. I don't think you should have said that thing. I don't actually know what he said, but I don't think you should have said it. And then I started going, well, what did the guy say? Do you actually have like something to say about the thing that he said? What was said? I'm sorry. It's just there's so much more of a devastating case that the woke right are the Laura Loomers and Ben Shapiro's of the world than

Then that Tucker Carlson and Candace are woke somehow for like engaging in Candace's case, engaging in historical revisionism. And in Tucker's case, talking to somebody who did. I don't know like what exactly the claim here even is. All right, let's play the end of the video. We got to wrap this one up.

Hmm.

He's involved in three car crashes, two plane crashes. So yeah, okay. And like, listen, dude, by, what's his name? That Wilson guy? By all accounts, confession, I've never read any of his stuff, but by all accounts, including Daryl Cooper's, he's like a real deal badass historian, you know? But it is also possible that perhaps someone who's not a member of the House of Lords is

might have a slightly different interpretation on how perfect and great Britain was in the lead-up and the conducting of World War II. Anyway, I don't know what to say there, man, but this is a major fail. Not only did he not land one blow or make one compelling argument, but he literally used woke tactics throughout. His closing point was essentially, you're all a bunch of bigots.

You're arguing something different about history. And even though you're not saying anything bigoted, I got Twitter replies that are like, that's really crazy for that to be your closing case in why someone else is woke. Let that settle for a second. All right, listen, we got to wrap that up. We got to wrap up on this one. Apologies for the schedule being messed up. I'm going to do the best I can. But with the festival this weekend, it's a lot of running around. Anyway, I love you guys. Catch you next time. Peace.