IRAN’S FAILED RETALIATION: NeoCons Foaming At The Mouth For A New War In The Middle East
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This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare. A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran. This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec. For the first time in U.S. military history, the U.S. directly bombed Iranian nuclear facilities. The strikes were a spectacular military success.

Iran's key nuclear enrichment facilities have been completely and totally obliterated. Going into this attack, President Trump was very focused in his team on what would happen next. And what he was saying, this had to be a one and done attack, focused solely on those nuclear sites. He didn't want to get bogged into a longstanding war.

If there was follow-up to be done, it was to be done by the Israelis. The decision on whether or not this escalates and whether or not the United States gets involved into a deeper conflict in the Middle East is no longer Donald Trump's decision. It is up to the Iranians. As the president has directed and made clear, this is most certainly not open-ended. We will respond if necessary. The most powerful military in the world is postured and prepared to defend our people.

But what the president gave us, as I said, was a focused, powerful and clear mission on the destruction of Iranian nuclear capabilities. Oil futures are spiking in reaction to the turmoil in the Middle East, and investors do fear that Iran would disrupt what is global shipping via the Strait of Hormuz. Is the United States now at war with Iran? No, Kristen, we're not at war with Iran. We're at war with Iran's nuclear program. And what we did is we destroyed

the Iranian nuclear program. I think we set that program back substantially, and we did it without endangering the lives of the American pilots. All right, folks, Jack Pasopak here, live, Washington, D.C., here.

Today is June 23rd, 2025. Anno Domini. Just moments ago, Iran conducted retaliatory strikes on U.S. air bases, particularly one in Qatar, the Al-Adid Air Base, which is held there now. We're also told, though, by U.S. officials that all missiles were intercepted after being fired from Iran. Guys, if we can get a map up of the Persian Gulf so people know what we're talking about. And...

We want people to be able to understand that this was intercepted. Some of the rockets, if they did fall down, that the damage was minimal. We're told no injuries, no casualties as of this point. And it also seems as though this is the end of the retaliation. And if this is the end of the retaliation, President Trump and also some U.S. officials briefing on background, that it looks as though they're calling it a failed retaliation and

and thus not requiring an escalation. And if so, this could potentially be an off-ramp being offered by the Iranians, saying they don't want to break this thing out into a wider-scale war with the United States. However, the neocons, on the other hand, and guys, if you could just put that map up,

that the neocons are still, still foaming at the mouth for a full-on war on Iran. A full-on war. Because that's what they want. That's what they've wanted all along. You got Jack Keane over there on Fox News saying, oh, he felt emotional looking at all of this Institute for the Study of War that has studied everything wrong about the Ukraine war for

from day one. Jack Keane, maybe you could be an intern here at Human Events Daily and we could check that out. And then you got other neocons like Mark Levin up there trying to redefine what MAGA is, trying to redefine. And it's the same old 2003. Mark Levin, who said he would never vote for Donald Trump, comes out and just like in 2003, you're not patriotic if you don't support this war.

It's not patriotic. And then he went and even said that perhaps we should give nukes to Ukraine, which is strange because I was told that all of this was about non-proliferation. We don't want to see the proliferation of nukes. So why are you suggesting that we give nukes to a non-nuclear country? Folks, the neocons are at it again. But Human Events Daily is here to draw the line in the stand.

This retaliatory strike, whatever it was, seems more like a work than anything else. It seems like a little bit of theater. It seems like pay fave. It seems like the Iranians are presenting that off-ramp. And I think that President Trump is signaling that this will not require a response from the United States. Remember, we told you before, we've already brought our troops and our planes out of there.

What America first truly means. Welcome to the second American revolution. All right, folks, Jack Posobiec back here, live at Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C., breaking down all...

The updates, the Pentagon now putting out statements regarding this attack, and it looks as though, as we said, that it seems that this is the end of it. It seems, though, the retaliation was, may or may not have meant to be a little bit of theater, a little bit of kayfabe, as they say in the pro wrestling community. I want to bring on now the D.C. Bureau Chief,

for Breitbart News, Matt Boyle. Matt, you actually have the DOD report. Can you give that to us?

Yeah, so here, I'm going to look down at my phone so I can read the statement for you. So this is from the DOD that they can confirm that Al-Addad Air Base, and I'm probably not pronouncing that right, in Qatar was attacked today by short and medium range ballistic missiles originating from Iran. At this time, there are no reports of American casualties. We are closely monitoring the situation. We'll provide additional information as it becomes available. Look, I think the big picture here is, is that

First off, let me preface this by saying we only know what we know and we don't know what we don't know. We'll see as things develop here. But the big picture here is that I think this is why we elected President Trump. I think he's handled this masterfully since the very beginning.

He's shown thoughtful deliberation and consternation as he made a very critical decision to send in the B-2 bombers over the weekend to take out the nuclear sites in Iran.

uh, and, and, uh, the other, uh, missile, uh, strikes that, uh, you saw the Tomahawk, uh, Tomahawk missiles, uh, from the, uh, Navy ships, uh, that they used on the other sites. Uh, this is a, a huge moment for the president. It's a legacy defining moment. And I think he's handled it masterfully. Uh, and now we're seeing what appears to be, and again, this is early, so we don't know if there's other things coming or if there's other stuff going on, what appears to be, uh,

a chance for deescalation and a shot, uh, to do exactly what president Trump set out to do on this, which was, this was a one and done thing, right? Like the U S did its part. I think that the speech you saw from president Trump on Saturday night, uh, which was very short, uh, where he was flanked by the secretaries of state and defense, as well as the vice president, uh, when he, uh, uh, announced this to the nation and to the world, uh,

you know, it was a little bit bellicose, right? Like, so he was up there, uh, very aggressive, uh, with the Iranians talking about future strikes as a possibility. And I think a lot of America first folks were a little bit perturbed by that. But I think that the point of that speech was to deter any serious Iranian response. And it seems to have worked right. Like, so again, I, I think that the point here is, is that, uh,

people across the America First movement, and I've been saying this throughout the entire process here, dating back two weeks now since Israel's began striking Iran, is that people have trust in the president. I

I think that the MAGA America First movement is unified behind President Trump. They want to see that they have a lot of trust in him. And frankly, they have a lot of distrust in our establishment and institutions, et cetera, the intelligence agencies, the Pentagon, et cetera. And rightfully so because of the failures of

leaders in both political parties for the last 30 or so years, really dating back to, you know, in the post-Ronald Reagan era. Both Bushes, Clinton, Obama, Biden,

You know, all of these presidents have done serious damage to the credibility of our various institutions, our intelligence agencies and our military institutions. But I think President Trump is bringing it back. And I think this is a big part of the reason why, too, you're seeing huge numbers, booms in recruiting. Right. Like I was speaking this weekend to the Navy's U.S. Navy secretary spokeswoman yesterday.

who's our former Pentagon correspondent from Breitbart, Christina Wong, she was telling us that they've already three months ahead of schedule, already hit the fiscal year's recruiting goals for the United States Navy. And that's because Americans have confidence in President Trump. And I think that as President Trump navigates this really perilous situation in the Middle East, I think he's done a masterclass

And we'll see where things go from here. But I do believe that America first leaders have the utmost confidence in President Trump. And I think he's handled it well. And I think that the people, you know, in the neocon globalist establishment that are pushing for more,

are wrong and I think that the people in the Democrat side that are pushing for less are wrong. I think President Trump has struck an incredible balance here. And again, how he handles this moving forward, very similar to the Soleimani strike,

This is a legacy defining moment for him as president of the United States and where we go from here and what happens next. And again, all the proper caveats here. We don't know what we don't know and we do know what we do know, but things are looking good for President Trump.

Matt, I think that's right. And I think that President Trump clearly drew a line around this nuclear program, saying that this was always going to be his main priority when it came to this situation. Now, obviously, there are going to be questions as we go down the line between Israel and Iran and how much longer that air campaign will come down. We talked about here on this program the

the worry of air attrition and whether or not Israel can keep up the air defense that they've been conducting. Actually, just as we were preparing for the show, I was watching some of the air defense over Kiev because they're getting hit right now. The Russians are still, by the way, rocking Kiev and they're really advancing along the front lines because a lot of people aren't paying attention to that while everyone's distracted. And of course, Kiev looking as though its air defense resources are running low as well because

This is a finite world. And by the way, this is something that makes conservatives different from liberals. We understand that we live in a world of finite resources. Liberals don't seem to quite grasp that. And so...

When we look at all of this, the question, of course, for President Trump is, what is the best America-first way through the entire thing? And to your point, I think he's played it very well. And I think he understands that for the U.S. to get involved at a higher level, the way you're hearing all these neocons call for, is just not something that there's an appetite for.

Yeah, no, I think that's right. But again, a lot depends on events from here, right? Like, and so, and I do think that people have the utmost confidence and trust in President Trump to handle it well. And again, it's sad that we have to go through this, right? But the reason why we have to have this debate and this discussion openly is because of the

failures of people like George Bush and the failures of people like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush, like all of these loser presidents, right, of both parties really did a number on the credibility of our government.

And President Trump is having to dig us out of this mess. But I, again, I think that if you compare the way that Bush handled Iraq to the way that Trump is now handling Iran, it's just night and day better. And I think that under Trump here, and I think that...

uh, the president is, uh, going to continue, uh, to look, I always tell people, cause I know president Trump really well. I always tell people this, uh, and I've talked to him so many times over the last decade plus, right? Like even before he came down the escalator, when he came down the escalator that day, I was standing at the bottom. And then I did the first interview with him up in his office later that day, uh, in the 26th floor of Trump tower. Uh, uh, that was, that was a little over a decade ago, a decade and a week ago or something. Uh, the, the, uh,

I always tell people one of his best qualities, and you don't always see this because you don't always see it when the cameras are rolling. He's an excellent listener, right? So he's always soliciting feedback. I say this all the time. I say that he never gets credit for it.

never gets credit for it. He's an excellent listener and he's really trying to strike the right balance and he's very thoughtful and deliberative. And I think that as he made this decision going into last week, I think he went back and forth on it and he was really seriously, he wasn't sure, by the way, it was funny because you saw the reporters there in the White House when he was putting up the flagpoles last week, trying to nail him down on, oh, are you going to do it and

when are you going to do it? And like, he's like, you don't know what I'm going to do. You don't know when I'm going to do it. I don't even think

even think he knew what he was going to do. I think he was still soliciting information from different people and different opinions and, uh, considering it. And then he made his decision. And I think that the America first movement, which president Trump created and built stands behind him. Uh, and I think that all of these establishment media people that are out there saying that there's division in the MAGA movement and so on, there is no division. I think that people are very unified behind president Trump. They support him. Uh,

as this is going forward. And they know that he's handling it very thoughtfully and carefully, and he's trying to not get us dragged into a long-term war or conflict in the Middle East. Matt, we got a quick break. Coming up right now, folks, we're talking to Matt Boyle, the Washington Bureau Chief of Breitbart News. We'll be right back. Jack Posobiec, Human Events, Real America. Hey, you know, they talk about influencers. These are influencers, and they're friends of mine. Jack Posobiec. Where's Jack? Jack?

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Look, we're in D.C., we're talking about all this. Look, President Trump still has a huge domestic agenda that he's working to push through on Capitol Hill. Do you think all of this flare-up of foreign affairs is going to play into getting votes back on board for the big, beautiful bill, these other agenda items that he's been talking about? Where do you think it stands in terms of all that?

Well, yeah, look, I would just say, well, first off, I spoke to the Senate majority leader, John Thune on Saturday, uh, uh, cause he, uh, back in early May, he had told me that the goal out of the Senate, assuming the house was able to hit its goal of Memorial day of getting their bill out of the house, uh,

which they did. And as I told the speaker, uh, Mike Johnson, when I was talking to him after that, they came in under budget and ahead of schedule, right. Which was great out of the house. Uh, the, the Senate majority leader was saying that they want to get the bill out of the Senate to the president by July 4th. And so I asked the Senate majority leader, if that's still on track and, uh, you know, July 4th is next weekend, right. It's a week from Friday. Right. So we're like, uh,

you know, a little over a week and a half away from that. So he said that they are right. Like, so I believe that, by the way, they're going through what's called the birdbath right now in the U.S. Senate. That's named for Robert Byrd, the former Senate majority leader.

where they go through the process of determining what can and cannot go through the reconciliation bill process, which is a budget gimmick that allows them to pass stuff on a 51-vote threshold rather than a 60-vote threshold. So they don't have to do the nuclear option, get rid of the filibuster. Filibuster, obviously important because if the Democrats, you know, if and when they retake the Senate, they will...

rammed through all sorts of radical things. The filibusters are checking a balance there against that. So they're going through that process right now. But I do think that the events that you're seeing in the Middle East, particularly with regard to energy, are probably going to increase the urgencies.

for this, right? Like, because one of the things that's, you saw this this morning from President Trump. He came out and said to the Energy Department, drill, baby, drill, right? Like to Energy Secretary Chris Wright. Now, tomorrow morning here in Washington, D.C., I'm going to interview Secretary Wright at a Breitbart event. We're going to carry video live on Breitbart.com, and I'm sure it will be picked up in other places, but we're going to talk about exactly this. Now, there are things in this big, beautiful bill...

on energy that are extremely important. Like for instance, mandatory permits given out for auctions where the energy companies will bid to, and this will raise major revenue for the federal government, but it will also get the energy going for offshore drilling in the Gulf of America, as well as onshore drilling throughout the continental US, as well as up in Alaska.

So we're going to talk all about that with Secretary Wright and the factors that are in this legislation. And the president is exactly right to focus on that because you're hearing the Iranians talk about possibly trying to close the Strait of Hormuz. If they close that Strait down, there's a lot of energy that goes through that Strait. Now, it's not going to completely...

Shut down energy development and trade throughout the world, but it would have a big impact on things. And so the world will have to adjust. The U.S. being energy dominant, right? Like President Trump has made a National Energy Dominance Council, right, which is chaired by Secretary Burgum and Secretary Wright. Extremely important here.

Absolutely. And just before we run out of time, I want to throw out that oil prices are down right now because it looks as though Iran has ended its retaliation. So we are seeing that price of Brent oil go down just as we're tracking many things here on the program. And that certainly is one of them. Matt, where can people go to get all of your breaking updates and follow everything you're putting out? Right, Bart.com and I'm on X Twitter at Mboil1 on X.

Well, Matt, it's about time you finally got back on next because we need your plugged in voice and everybody needs as much analysis as they can get as we go through these turbulent times. Is everyone enjoying the fourth turning? We told you it would happen and we told you that President Trump was the man to see it through. We'll be right back. Jack Posobiec, Real America's Voice. And Jack, where's Jack? Where's Jack? Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.

Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing. We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys, and these are the guys who should be getting policies.

All right, Jack, we're back live, Human Events Daily, Washington, D.C. Beautiful flags flying over the White House. You can see that great shot right there, Jefferson Memorial in the background. It is a sweltering day here in the D.C. area, all up and down the East Coast. So if you've got a swimming pool, make sure you take care of that. Also, when you go in the pool, keep in mind,

Keep an eye on those kids when they go swimming. It's something that I always have to say in summertime, and people don't realize that drowning doesn't look like it does on a TV, you know,

on TV or like in a movie with all the screaming and splashing, no, it's actually very quiet and it's very quick and it can happen within moments. Also, make sure you check your back seat when you get out, especially if you have small children. Do not leave them in there. They're sleeping, you're running around. Just don't do it. I'm sick of these headlines when you hear people do it. Just don't do it. It's as simple as that. Folks, I want to bring on Joshua Lysak now, the co-author of Unstuck.

Unhumans, The Secret History of Communist Revolutions and How to Crush Them to go through a little bit of what we're seeing from the mainstream media right now, particularly as regards to something that I talked about last week. We'll get into that in one second. Joshua, how are you? Doing pretty dandy. A little bit sweltering here in Ohio, Jack, but coming through okay. Guys, do we have Joshua's audio? I'm not hearing it on my end. Let's see if we can get me back here, guys. Let's try that again. Let's try that again.

Let's see if we can try that again. - Well folks, what I've been calling this is the regime change upsell. This idea that the mainstream media and the neocons know that President Trump is totally against getting into these forever wars. And of course we know, and Kurt Mills tweeted this earlier, that a forever war isn't called a forever war when it starts. Little bit by little bit by little bit and it ratchets up. And if you are a certain age, you remember how these things get started.

Well, he's always said that he's against the nuclear program. Okay, got it. Take care of the strikes. Nuclear program gets hit. They're knocked back years or whatever exactly it is. We're waiting to see the battle damage assessment from that. We didn't see the military declassify some of this information, but you can see the neocons and I'll say something right now.

It seems like the neocons are upset that U.S. soldiers didn't get killed in these Iranian strikes today because I saw a neocon, and I've got all your tweets saved.

And I saw them saying, oh, the U.S. has to declare war on Iran right now. U.S. has to declare war on Iran right now. We need regime change. We need regime change. They're actually, they're acting like they're upset up there that U.S. soldiers didn't get killed or didn't get hurt or that U.S. jets weren't hurt. It's disgusting and it's sick. Guys, do we have Joshua? Testing, testing.

Oh, Joshua, we got you right. Perfect. So, Joshua, you're the persuasion expert. Am I seeing this? Am I seeing things? Or is this happening? Are they trying to upsell the president of the United States and all of us on regime change?

Oh, yes. They have been doing this, the neoconservative characters, neoliberal characters, for a very long time now. And you and I also collaborated on a little book called Bulletproof, the first and only investigation to the attempted assassination of President Donald J. Trump. And we wrote about the intended escalation by the military-industrial complex over the...

Iranian plot hypothesis that Thomas Matthew Crooks, the Butler, Pennsylvania shooter, was in fact in league with the Iranian intelligence service. And we found that there was simply no evidence of that scenario. It's a little bit plausible, but we point out that the sustained military engagement and defense spending, which benefits the military industrial complex, could very well be behind that narrative for which we found no evidence for.

An unspoken by most reason why the neoconservative crowd who call themselves Christians in many cases, an unspoken reason why there's such almost like a desire for war in the reason has to do with bad theology. There is a type of eschatology which has to do with one's belief in an end times, let's say, called premillennial dispensationalism.

That is a lot of syllables right there in that mouthful.

But characters like Mike Pence, the former vice president, who is praising President Donald J. Trump. We have Mark Levin. We have other characters who are on the right. They're evangelical Christians who ascribe to this idea that, and Ted Cruz spoke about this on the interview with Tucker Carlson, that the modern state of Israel founded in 1948 is somehow alienated

the fulfillment of Old Testament biblical prophecies that are about the Jews return to their homeland following the Babylonian exile?

I don't think that's the case, folks. I don't think that's the case. And so Senator Ted Cruz is giving his, let's say, religious motivation for intervening in the Middle East. And so the fact that the United States is not in a shooting war, is not declaring war on an adversary of the modern state of Israel, is in this set of beliefs, it's somehow going to set the rapture back a number of years, a number of decades.

And Jesus ain't going to come back until there is a war in the Middle East and the United States gets wiped out, which, by the way, is a big part of this predictive framework of the rapture and the end times. So wait, Joshua, let me run that through if I can. And folks know I'm Roman Catholic. I'm Polish. You pretty much come with one flavor in terms of that.

So, you know, we don't have this eschatology at all. So what you're saying is this is a version of, and I don't want to get into the theology debate of it, but what you're saying is this is a different version of what our good friend Scott Adams and, you know, peace be upon him, that says.

can be a sort of different movie, same movie, different screens. So we're all watching the same movie, and yet other people who look at it, who believe in this, they view all of these as the fulfillment of a, if I understand correctly, a series of prophecies that indicate the return of Christ. And so while...

A lot of people look at this and they say, wait a minute, you know, okay, we don't like nukes, right? We don't like, you don't like religious nutjobs like the theocrats in Iran getting nukes, we're going to blow them up or, you know, end the program by other means.

Okay, that's number one, but we also don't like World War III, so we don't want that. And we certainly don't like the idea of the price of gas going up to $6 a gallon at the summertime. But what you're saying is there's even another group that looks at it. And this, by the way, if you're someone who has these beliefs, understand there are people who don't who are also Christians. So what you're saying is they might actually be rooting this on because of this worldview.

Yes, this worldview that I'm laying out, this eschatology of like end times prophecy was popularized first amongst the baby boomer generation in the late 1970s and 80s by a character named Hal Lindsey. The number one bestselling book of the 1980s was called The Late Great Planet Earth. And it was laying out everything I've just said. The 1948 refounding of the state of Israel is literally in the Bible. The modern Jewish state is literally God's chosen people.

biblical. Israel is the clock is something that Hal Lindsey said, and then tens of millions of Americans grew up, came of age, and then many of them became bureaucrats, politicians, and neocons with this information environment. And part of the set of prophecies is that the biblical lands of Gog and Magog are referring to modern day Russia and Iran.

So when evangelical Christians who have this eschatology, this background, when they see these headlines about Russia saying this, Iran saying this, they go, that's literally in the Bible. World War III is going to happen. They're going to invade Israel. But wait a second.

as Hal Lindsey, let's say John Hagee, T.G. Jakes, and others who put forward this idea. Wait a second. Iran and Russia are literally obviously in the Old Testament prophecy in the book of Daniel and Ezekiel and so on and so forth. Isaiah, right? They would say the United States of America isn't in here. So the United States of America must have been absolutely wiped out in a nuclear war. So the only way for Jesus to come back is for the United States to no longer exist.

And it gets a little bit dark when you realize this, but yet this is what I heard as a child growing up in this particular sect of evangelical Christianity. And while they don't say this,

they don't all say this openly, I don't believe we should be following neoconservative evangelicals who believe the decisions they're going to make will necessarily result in the destruction of the United States of America. Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, these are probably not the influencers that we should be taking our counsel from with regard to making peace, not war.

And Joshua, when we look at all this, that this is something where you can see, and I'm sure there's a variety of interests, right? I've talked about how I'm sure the Arab monarchies, who are no fans of the Persians, they're looking at those oil fields across Iran, along the Persian Gulf, and they're licking their chops, thinking that they can perhaps get access or gain control there. I've talked about how regime change schemes work.

I went on to pool last week and broke down all of Operation Ajax and how that was a scheme between the CIA and originating with the MI6 to overthrow the duly elected prime minister of Iran, reinstall the shop and completely blew up on our faces and led to the Iranian revolution. So the thing with these regime change operations is they always seem good, but then everybody forgets that the enemy gets a vote.

And they always seem to spiral out of control. I can't necessarily think of a single one that's actually gone well for the United States or for anyone in any of these regions. But Joshua, that's what it comes down to because therefore, put it this way, war is a racket. And for those on the warmonger side, they seriously want, for a variety of reasons, as you've laid out, one of the bigger ones, they actually want to see the U.S. go to war. Isn't that right?

That's right. So we have both the religious and the economic arguments for war, war, war, when in reality, I don't believe that that's what the American people want. Every survey, every poll shows how

despairingly unpopular regime change in Iran is amongst not just Trump voters, but Americans more broadly, and also throughout the world. There is simply not an appetite to do this once again. Even though there is, for some, a religious motivation to escalate, there's financial benefit in escalating for the military-industrial complex. It's just simply not necessary for our president of peace to

From my perspective, and there is that there is a temptation for upsell. Well, it was just the one, you know, nuclear strikes. Well, actually, you know, maybe there's other sites. Well, maybe we need to do this. Maybe we need to do that. And I want to come back. I actually want to ask you about the psychology of upselling, you know, because this this is something a tactic that people can possibly look into on their in their own daily basis.

when they know that it's coming up, folks. President Trump is in control. Not the Iranians, not the Israelis, not the neocons. President Trump is in control because it was the people of this country who put him there. I'll be right back. Jack Posobiec, Real America's Voice, Human Events Daily.

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Real America's Voice. We're on with Joshua Lysak. And Joshua, you're the co-author of the books Unhumans as well as Bulletproof, the first book that you and I wrote together, the first book all about President Trump's two assassination attempts. By the way, there was a foreign country that had a connection to one of those attempts. That was the country of Ukraine, because Ryan Wesley Routh, of course, was a Ukrainian foreign fighter and appeared in propaganda videos

for the Azov Battalion. But Joshua, we were talking about, and I've talked about this all last week, I've called it the regime change upsell. And I see it all across the media, this constant propaganda. Well, you can't just do one strike, Mr. President. You got to go in, you got to do the full regime change, regime change upsell, the upsell, the upsell, the upsell. I got written up in the Washington Post. They didn't write it properly, but I did get written up for coining this phrase, the regime change upsell. But Joshua, walk us through the psychology of upselling.

This idea that you go to a dentist and say, I got a toothache. You go to the dentist and suddenly you're paying for all this work. Same idea when you go to an auto shop. And Shane Gillis has this new sitcom out all about auto shops. And they specifically explain to you in that show how when you come in just for tires or just for an oil change, they're trying to upsell you on all this other work. Walk us through the psychology of upselling. Why does it work?

The reason why it works is twofold. And we're seeing with the Iran regime change upsell right now. The first reason upselling as a sales technique tactic works is the foot in the door technique. So ultimately, you have perhaps this large value sale that you're ultimately going towards. But you start with something that is a little crack open that is really

reasonable, and it is dismissible. And it just makes sense. And all the logic is there. And enough people or in this case, there's enough argument for agreement with it. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I have a cavity, for example, with the dentist example. And then it turns out you get your x rays done, and you have 50 cavities, slight exaggeration, but not by much. And then the next reason kicks in, which is a sunk cost fallacy.

You know, you've been here all day getting all this dental work done. And we had the cleaning. We had the dentist. We had these x-rays. And just look at all the stuff that needs to get done. And you've already spent so much time and effort and cha-ching with this work here being done. And that would just all go to waste. It would all just be so wasted if we didn't. And that's how the United States military stayed in Vietnam for so long.

long, perpetual cross cells and up cells. Well, we just need to do this. We just need to do that. Remember with Afghanistan, oh, it's just Osama bin Laden. Oh, actually, it's weapons of mass destruction. Oh, actually, the whole system's got to go. Same with Arab Spring. Oh, it's just Qaddafi. Oh, now it's just Egypt. Oh, now it's just Syria. Oh, now it's just... And ultimately, we have these massive conflicts where Americans...

blood is being shed. Needlessly, if you talk to any global war on terrorism veterans from that particular period, was the American soldier put first? Did we support the troops by these perpetual cross-sells and up-sells? Many will say, absolutely not.

Absolutely not. And so we see the same set of techniques, the open door, you know, just crack it open a little bit. It's very reasonable. And once you get it into the dentist's chair and strapped on there, you can upsell them like mad with the sunk cost fallacy.

Of course. So, Joshua, what are ways then to counter this? Let's say, you know, you're going you're going to the dentist, you go, you're dropping your car off at the audio at the auto body shop or the auto service center. And you know that, you know, it's going to happen. You know that you're you're about to be getting into the pressure. What are some tactics people can use to counter this? What is Jack? What is the most masculine word in English language is the word no.

That's right. I found myself, without irony and not as a joke, in a dentist's chair a few weeks ago, and I got hit with the upsell. I went for a cleaning regularly, but of course they bring out the membership, and it's cheaper if you do this today, and you're already going to be paying this, but it's cheaper if you do this. Oh, boy. Oh, and x-rays. Oh, and this and this and all the cavities. And I saw it. I looked it over, and I just said, thank you. No, no.

And they were taken aback. They were a little bit shocked. Like, he was supposed to say yes? What? He just said no. So the American people, to the regime change upsell in Iran, we can simply say no. There's not any need for arguments or back and forth or statistics or studies or data. No, no. And we can enforce that no with primaries, with...

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Make sure you're following him, folks. Joshua Lysak, incredible content. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay ashore.