THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 85 — WNBA Race Drama? Lilo & Stitch? AI Slop Surge?
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From the age of Big Brother. If they want to get you, they'll get you. DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone. They're collecting your communications. Okay, everybody. Happy Thursday. It is Thought Crime Thursday. We are here with Blake. We're here with Andrew and a special guest, Cliff Maloney. Cliff, welcome, my friend. You are the Al Michaels. Welcome. Good to be here.

Is Cliff going to be doing the kind of announcing like we did during the election coverage? I still get people that come up to me and talk about how amazing that was.

We're going to dive right into it. Apparently, I'm starting a race war in the WNBA. You've done it again. You've done it again, Charlie. I have a tendency to start race wars. There is this placid world where there is the Women's National Basketball Association. Of course, a bunch of women always get along. Yeah, women are known for getting along. They live in harmony with one another. They definitely never have beefs or arguments or disputes or

Only Charlie Kirk would start. Only you could do it. WNBA was great. I'm sure all 10 people at their games were having a blast. And then this news story happened. Well, it's been happening for a while, but we can start showing it. You reacted to this hard foul. No.

No, it was a lot of them for the record. Okay, there's a lot of things. I'm going to send the one. And by the way, just for the record, my latest tweet is one of my favorite tweets because I didn't run it by any of you guys. It was just called The Scroll and Let It Fly. And then Andrew learns about it once it's up. But yes, keep going. Yes, all right. So I think this is, you've had a couple. So the first one we have, let's do, is this loaded yet? 398? 398.

So that was called as a violent atrocity on the court. That was Kaitlyn Cart dribbling, and she sort of

brushed her fingertips. Barely. I don't think she even touched it. I think we might need a federal investigation. I know. I think we need a hate crime investigation whether she touched her. Exactly. And so... I meant the hand, just to be clear. I don't think she even touched her. I mean, it's terrible. And then on the flip side, though, we also have... She is getting fouled very aggressively. And so you are also responding to that. Brutalized. Yeah. Just brutalized on the court. So we have foul

Fouls get called one way, but not the other way. And it's all getting quite dramatic. And it turns out, really, everything was fine until you stuck your nose into it, Charlie. So what's the headline we have right now? Let me search Charlie Kirk WNBA, as I search every day. But I try to check. It's in the chat, Blake. Yeah, let's see. Charlie Kirk turns Caitlin Clark and WNBA referee controversy into...

Race debate race war race war race

So I'm the one who found this article and showed everybody. I found this personally remarkable because the whole Caitlin Clark thing has been nothing but a racial discussion since she got into the W. Even when she was in college basketball, it was like, well, of course it has to be a white woman that makes college basketball, women's basketball popular. The entire saga has been about racial dynamics.

And then somehow some jerk out there, some ignoramus says it's Charlie Kirk that turned it into a race debate.

So it's truly remarkable feat of journalism. I just want to repeat what I also tweeted today. Everyone knows what's happening here. They are jealous because she is the best white player and one of the best players in the WNBA. And the WNBA is overwhelmingly black women. And they are targeting her because of this. And on top of that, what they're really mad about is that she's the first WNBA player in...

probably about 20 years, who's been a decently popular national figure. Sue Bird was one, right? Who was the other one? The one who was... Candace Parker? She was a big name. And it's so dumb, frankly, that it became such a racial thing, because the one I was thinking of was Lisa Leslie. Lisa Leslie, when we were growing up, she was a decently famous person. She got ads on TV. Caitlin Clark's a whole different level. And of course, one of the things about it is Lisa Leslie was a perfectly wholesome woman. True story. That's why they hate Caitlin Clark. She took a long time to get married, because she...

had a handful of rules. She wanted him to be... She wanted him to marry another black guy. She wanted him to be a Christian. And this was the big one. She wanted him to be taller than her. And Lisa Leslie was 6'7". So her kids are going to be very tall. Probably. I haven't followed up on that. But yeah, so this all happened. But then...

They legit got mad that this girl was popular. She was a big deal when she was playing, was it Iowa? I don't watch women's basketball. She was, what you mean? Kaitlyn Clark played for Iowa. Yeah, and so she was getting all the attention. They were selling out games. It takes a lot. Leading scorer ever. It takes a lot to sell out a women's basketball game. It's about at the level of like JV high school basketball. Well, that's what they're really upset about. Yeah.

is that Caitlin Clark is popular. They're upset that they think they've been carrying this league for so many years, which, by the way, has never been profitable. It's never been a rating success. None of those things have ever been true.

But then Caitlin Clark comes around and people are talking about the WNBA. So all the black ladies are mad. So this was the statement she gave. So remember, you started this war, but this is a statement she gave. Because I sent out one tweet. In December 2024, they named her athlete of the year at Time magazine. And so she said in her interview, she had to issue this statement. I don't have video of it, so I don't know if there was like a gun pointed at her head or if they were like holding her family hostage. But she said, I want to say I've earned everything. But as a white person, there is privilege.

A lot of the people who have made this league what it is are black women. And you can't see this, but in the article, they're lowercasing white but capitalizing black, in case you weren't sure who's good and who's bad here. The more we appreciate, highlight, and talk about that, the better. Brands and companies need to continue investing in those players who have made this league extraordinary. Elevating black women is a beautiful thing.

Yeah, who wrote that for you, first of all? It's like a hostage situation. Yeah, we have to check, like, okay, were her eyes blinking in a certain way? Like, please don't hurt me. Please don't follow me any harder on the court. I think that statement was such an opportunity. I mean, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes, right? We've all learned this years ago, that if you have nothing to hide and you have nothing to feel guilty of, don't fake apologize. You don't win anything.

Right. It's the people that hate you already are not going to come around and say, oh, look, they apologize. They put out this statement. And then the people that had some respect because you actually stood up and meant something. Well, now you've kind of minimized it.

Right. It's like some of these comedians, you know, like Bill Burr is kind of going at the complete opposite direction. But when she put out that statement, I mean, I had so much hope for Caitlyn being this person that was should be political. She had to be right wing, but don't capitulate to their talking points. And then everybody's mad at you. It's a lose lose.

I mean, and I just have to say, like, women's basketball is so unwatchable. It's just it is. It's just such a low level of it's it just it's nothing against women. It's nothing. I mean, they're trying their best. It's just such a it's really hard to watch.

Yeah. Women's basketball is we should guys, you got to pull one of those, those montages of just like bad WNBA plays. Like, I mean, it's real bad. I mean, and to Charlie's point,

It really does look like you're watching JV basketball. Now, no offense, there's some really good basketball players that are women, Kaitlyn Clark being one of them, but there are good sports that women play that are actually watchable. Tennis, volleyball, Blake maybe disagrees with me, but it's based on the look. There's a few that are actually watchable. I'll stand by that. Gymnastics is pretty good. Gymnastics. I think that high-level Olympic sports

gold medal match women's volleyball, not beach volleyball, actual volleyball is very good to watch. That is very intense, very high stakes, balls moving super fast. That is very athletic. I actually think it's more watchable than the men's volleyball because the men's volleyball, they are so athletic. It's like whoever gets the ball has very high probability just to spike it because they're so athletic.

women's volleyball. It must be like insane injuries. No, that's right. Don't you agree, Andrew? Like the men's volleyball has no volley. It's just there. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, they're almost too likely to just totally kind of side out instantly. Yes. And then, yeah. And, and whoever's got control of the, of the, I actually really agree with that. And it's a little bit more competitive with women's volleyball. Yes. But by the way, the,

I remember when the U.S. women's national team was winning World Cups, right? I mean, that was really fun. As a nation, we were really into that, right? Before all the politicization of it. No, that's true. I remember. I just...

I, I, women's soccer is fine. I mean, it's not my favorite to watch women's tennis, but there's something about women's basketball where it's such an aesthetic drop-off. I don't mean aesthetic in a bad way, but it's such a visual drop-off from the pace and the passing and the shooting and the skill of men's basketball. It's like your brain can't process it. You know, it's so different. You're like, okay, this is sophomore boys basketball. And basically,

Why do you guys like, I actually enjoy when a college women's basketball, I feel like so much more than I do pro. I'm still not saying I prefer women's basketball over men's, but like, what do you think the drop off is once? I mean, do you guys disagree with that? Like, do you, you know, can you watch the final four on the women's side? Like I look at that as a completely different ball game than the, I mean, look at these mock dodges. Like I watched these for fun. They are so horrific. I don't know how,

anybody could pay money to be at these games. Well, people tend to not pay money to be at those games, which is why it's been kind of a failure of a league. And Caitlin Clark's the best thing they have going for it. I don't know what it is about basketball. She makes shots that men couldn't make. But also, guys, remember... Sorry, keep going, Andrew, and then I have a point. Well, I just don't understand. I don't know what it is specifically about the sport of basketball that tends to make the female form look uncomfortable. Now, I...

Candidly. You watch Caitlin Clark, and she looks kind of like a dude on the basketball court. I mean, look at that. That right there, that's legit. Yeah, she does. But there's something specific about that. I actually really enjoy female college softball. I had some friends that got me into it. More watchable than I thought when I was working out. And they do these cheers, and it's really fun. I think you're right. I actually think softball...

I wouldn't go out of my way to watch it, but, you know. I'm going to get in some trouble with our audience potentially on this, but female UFC fights, I know that's, like, complicated. Those women are amazing. Like, some of those fights are incredible. Whether or not you want your daughter to be doing that, that's a whole other topic. But just pure entertainment value, those fights are incredible. This is, like, nothing about...

For whatever reason, though, basketball is just not the female domain, in my opinion. Well, remember also, women's basketball uses a smaller basketball than men. I mean, it's literally a different sport. I mean, where the ball is 28 and a half inches, where the men's ball is much bigger than that. And I was just trying to think of other sports that I don't watch any of them, but that are more watchable than female basketball. No, I don't watch golf. Nah, I can't watch women's golf either.

Did you know there used to be, like, an alternative basketball for women? Wasn't it, like, six on six or something? It was six on six. And it was very strange. Like, you had...

three forwards and three defenders and only like the forward people could shoot. And then there was all this bizarre stuff. I think, I think you like couldn't dribble as much, something like that. It was all we have to talk about. How can we change the game to make it entertaining? Tells you how not entertaining it is. I guess gymnastics. I'd actually prefer watching women's gymnastics than men's gymnastics. Really though? Like men's gymnastics is really impressive. I have to think about that. No, I think you're probably, well,

It's pretty watchable. People love watching it for the Olympics. I would say it's pretty watchable, though. I'd say women's gymnastics is pretty watchable. It rates on the Olympics. It rates during the Olympics. And I'll also say that women's track and field is watchable. Yep, I agree. Women's figure skating? Yep, for sure. I actually think it's more watchable than men's figure skating. It's just way too...

There's something about tight pants. I'm going to say men's figure skating is very San Francisco. I suppose so. I mean, it's usually pairs, isn't it? It's culturally very... Culturally. It's a cultural issue. Let's just say it's not exactly...

You know what I mean? Oh, I guess that also women's swimming. I mean, that's fine to watch. Like Katie Ledecky was fun to watch during the Olympics. It's just fun to watch your country win in the Olympics. But like you wouldn't sit down and watch like on a Saturday. But I tried to watch the women's like gold medal match in basketball, which I think we won. It was like, wow, that was hard to watch.

I'm surprised you spent time doing that, Charlie. Well, I like the Olympics. I love it. I watched it for about 45 seconds, and then I went and did something more meaningful. He was prepping to get this race war started. Apparently, it's all my fault. So, Blake, what would you say to someone that says, because I got some mean tweets from people, oh, yeah, I really care. It's not racial against Caitlin Clark. Come on. There's other white women in the NBA or WNBA. I mean, all I would say is I don't think –

I don't think we were the first ones to start like using the W word or the, or the B word in relation to this. Like there really is a thing where you started getting these articles like while she was still in, in college about people just bothered that she was getting too much attention or that it was like, they would use the language like colonialism. They were like how this like white person is colonizing our league. Like, like they have ownership of this sport. And like,

Like, that is where so much of this came from. Now, and then, like, other elements where, like, they were mad. Oh, they're promoting Caitlin Clark because she, like, is, like, more clean cut. Like, she has a boyfriend, so she's not a lesbian like a lot of the players in the WNBA are. I think she's Catholic or, like, public. Like, she has a good image, basically. It's like, okay, yeah, leagues do better when they have people who have, like, positive, like,

images that are families like. Make your daughter like Caitlin Clark. Do you know 26% of the WNBA is openly lesbian? That is a very high rate. That cannot be true. 26%? That means it's probably closer to 35 or 40% in real life. Here's the other one. According to innerbasket.com, they say it's between 30 to 58%. See?

That's like a very wide range. It's because they're approximately... It's still high. Yeah, I don't think they send out surveys.

Why not? We should collect more data on that. We should just be like, oh, you got to every every time, every if you enter the WNBA, you have to answer a million questions. Remember when Brittany Greiner, who got released from prison thanks to Trump, appeared to call Biden. Well, was it Biden or Trump? Yeah, it was Biden. Oh, we traded some massive international terrorists for her. Yeah. She called Caitlin Clark effing white girl.

Just call it trash and effing white girl. Yeah, if someone said effing black girl about a player in the WNBA... We would have Minneapolis burn. Yeah, like Minneapolis would burn. It would be the number one news story. That person would be deleted off the face of the planet. And there would be a federal hate crime investigation. Quite possibly, yeah.

Especially under Biden. And we'd get one of those civil rights cases where they would go into the entire WNBA and find how there was systemic discrimination that led to this outcome, which is actually, circling back around, that's how that six-on-six basketball went away. It didn't go away because people organically didn't like it. It went away because activists were mad and they got, I'm not making this up, the Office of Civil Rights

at either the DOJ or the Department of Education to say it was a violation of Title IX to have girls play this sport because they were less likely to get a scholarship for basketball at the college level. Unbelievable. So like they've been, if it helps, they've been inventing extremely deranged and insane civil rights justifications for everything they want to do for half a century. Well, Blake, I have a question for you.

Why is the WNBA still afloat? Like, who's covering the losses? I think they're a subsidiary of the NBA. Like, there's a direct relationship between the two. Let me tell you, there was this great article written in 2018 by an activist, Tho Bishop, and he got just destroyed for it. It was like, why WNBA players are overpaid, right?

And this is 18, right? Like this is, you know, before like we got our country back. I mean, that was, you know, we had Trump in the White House, but like the woke was really coming on. And it's just funny because, yeah, he details. Listen, the NBA is just paying these people.

If you look at the revenue that comes in, it's not just that they take a loss. It's that the NBA just doesn't want to deal with the pushback from the activists. And so they just float the bill for this. I mean, there's a reason they never take the camera angle and take it to the crowd. I mean, look at the angles on those games. They are. It's like Congress. Right. They keep the angle so you can't see you're in an empty room. But the NBA is paying for all of this.

So according to this, the revenue for the WNBA was $200 million in 2023. It's now $710 million, and it will break a billion this year because of Kaitlyn Clark.

She has contributed to a 48% increase in attendance and record-breaking TV ratings. You know how people say that they don't recognize the country they live in due to social changes or immigration or whatever? That's how I feel when I hear a story like that. Could you imagine sitting at home and voluntarily watching the WNBA? There's a question I like to ask, which is... And not having a relative. I like to ask people this. Would you rather find a $2 bill on the sidewalk...

or have your local WNBA team win a title? I don't know my local WNBA team. That is the correct answer, is I don't know if I sound has a WNBA team. I don't even... Wait, hold on, let me see. What is Phoenix WNBA team? Probably some weird name like the Cactus or something. Or the Sky. The Mercury. Phoenix Mercury. Did you say Mercury? Yeah. Mercury. There you go.

They're off to a 4-1 record despite the absence of key player Kalia Copper. Is that true or could that be like a hallucination by an AI? It could be. I don't know. You know what I think? This is a case of you have a small pond, right? And all these big-time stars before Caitlyn gets there, they want a big pond, right? They want this huge. She brings them the big pond. They're still a small fish. I mean, it's just a total backlash to that.

So what do you do? You foul her hard. Did you know that? And you call her a white trash. There's only 13 teams. That bothers me because it's like not even. I kind of love how feminine they've chose these names. They're like not that. You know how the men, it's like the Golden State Warriors or the Timberwolves. Let's listen to some of these. The Atlanta Dream. The Chicago Sky. The Connecticut Sun. You ready for an intense one? The Indiana Fever. Hmm.

New York Liberty. The Washington Mystics. Here we go. The Dallas Wings. The Las Vegas Aces. The Los Angeles Sparks.

Blake, I will give you $100 if you get the name the Minnesota WNBA team. You know what's going to be really terrible? I do know the Minnesota WNBA team. What is it? Minnesota Lynx. Sorry, I'll give you $100. Why not Seattle? I did this to humiliate you. Because being a dork, I would read the newspaper every day growing up.

And I would check, like, they had, like, this big detailed sports thing. And I knew I would look at what the frickin' WNBA thing. You should have said, see, you want money more than you want your honor. This is shameful. Isn't it Seattle Storm? That's a pretty good one. Yes, but just for the record, Blake could have pretended like he didn't know, but he wanted that $100. I did. And then the Seattle Storm and then the Golden State Valkyries. You see, if you'd asked me that one, I wouldn't have known.

I asked you this never to use. I've never heard of it. It's a pretty good women's sports team name. That's good. It is a women thing. That is cool. But Atlanta Dream. Atlanta Dream. Philadelphia is not on the list. I don't know the answer. You're telling me they're not listed? Is it Seoul? Is it Seoul? No, that's not right. They don't have one. They don't have one. Okay. No. Lucky you. But the Connecticut Sun. Connecticut Sun.

It's like the least sunny place. As opposed to the Phoenix Suns, which is plural and therefore cool. They're just like one thing. They're the sun. One sun. Tonight we're going to go watch the sun play. How awful is that? That's like a thing they do now. Like in the NHL, the two new teams they've added, they added the Seattle Kraken, not Krakens, just Kraken. And then now Salt Lake got, they actually got the Phoenix Coyotes team that they disbanded. And they're just mammoth. They're the Utah mammoth.

So I, maybe I'm wrong because I was a huge Blackhawks fan growing up. Has the NHL popularity gone down? I think it has. I mean, I was really into the NHL because it was huge. I mean, Blackhawks fever took over and we won three Stanley cups and it was incredible. Um,

but I feel like the NHL has gone down too. It's actually done okay. What's happened is I remember growing up, they were really bad in the Sun Belt, and now they've kind of gotten over that. So, for example, in Tampa, the Tampa Bay baseball team does –

pretty horribly in terms of attendance. The Tampa Bay Bucs are at the low end of, uh, like NFL team popularity, but the Tampa Bay lightning, which is their NHL team, very popular, sells out their games, has won titles. They do pretty well. And that's kind of been who's dominating. Cause the, uh,

I think the Nashville team does well. And I think there's also one in Miami. And the Carolina one, they've all done really well. In fact, pretty much the only Sunbelt hockey team that was a dumpster fire and nobody liked going to them was our team. Oh, really? Yep. They folded and they moved to Utah. So, Charlie, you're right, though.

Regular season games like viewership were about half a million in 2014 to 2015, and they've dropped to 385,000 between 2019, 2020. This article is from 2023, and it's changes in media consumption, regionalization of NHL broadcast, low scoring, lack of star power, and they say COVID-19.

impact. Let me tell you why it's also dropping. I'm a season ticket holder for the Flyers and they're horrible so I don't usually admit that in public but I've had them for three or four years and I actually just dropped them because after we won the election

Hockey, which, you know, if you look at the demographics, I mean, in most of the cities, the people that are coming, it's a pretty conservative crowd. I mean, some cities, it's just not going to be because of the cities, but like, it's pretty red. And after we won the election, Gritty, our great mascot, goes on ice with a trans flag, like during Pride Day.

And it was just like so tone deaf. And I like flipped out on, I'm like, look, I'm paying all this money. I had an activist with me who's obviously right wing. And we're sitting there like having to deal with this. I think they're like one of the last leagues. Oh, they're moving slowly. Some of them, but like they just double down and don't understand their audience. It's, it's pretty bad.

And it really just kind of goes to show how popular football is. I mean, it just dwarfs these other sports. I mean, it's not even close. I mean, I'm told the Thunder are in the NBA finals. Isn't that like Russell Westbrook? Oh, he's gone now. I think he's still in the league, but he's not with the... Is Kevin Durant on the Thunder? No, no, you're way out of date, man. I don't even know where Durant is. He's on the Suns, isn't he?

I stopped watching 10 years ago. Yeah, that's what I was going to say, Charlie. You're about 10 years out. Yeah. I can't name a single NBA player on the Thunder. Yeah, okay. I want to respond. So Patty Luke in our chat says, nothing like four men who don't play sports going after the WNBA. You guys have no business bashing these women who would clean your clocks if you had the...

For the record, let me just tell you, if I could get my back fixed, which I'm very hopeful I have a procedure, I could beat some WNBA players one-on-one. Not all. I could. I could challenge the bottom 25% of WNBA players. The bottom 25%. If I could get my back fixed and I have three months of proper preparation, I could beat them one-on-one. You think I'm joking?

I'm 6'5". I played competitive Midwest AAU basketball. I was really good at basketball, too, by the way. Again, I'm taller than the bottom 25%.

If I have prop again, the problem is my back is a complete and you guys know you could attest to me. My back is a catastrophe. Now what I would say, CK, the Internet used to think you were only six one. Glad we got that. We think that problem. OK, actually, you know what, Daisy, if you go to my Instagram like seven or eight years ago, there's all these tricks. You know, I used to do trick shots on Instagram.

I've seen the reel. Yeah, right? There was like a montage. Not just the high school ones. I used to do trick shots where I would just do half-court shots and make it on the first attempt. Dave, we should play some. Go ahead. By the way, I'm not trying to like... But dear Patty, I mean, I was a first-team all-state football player. Boom. Oh, here we go. Yeah. I don't go around saying that, but if she's going to come at me, bro... I need the Andrew Colvette. I need the highlight reel of Colvette. Actually, I did have one, but I'm... You know, it's...

I don't know what happened. Did you guys win state? We run her up in state. Why didn't you play college football?

I actually went out for one day. It's complicated. I went out for one day, though, at UW Open Field. You could have walked on. No, the coaches found out. Like, I didn't actually think I was going to play. I had no desire. But they found it on my sort of application or whatever, and they invited me out for an Open Field day. And it was like, I forget the guy's name. It was Isaiah something or other. Anyways, he was like a five-star recruit. He's a wide out. And, like, he happened to be out there one day, and I got –

lined up beside him and I was playing cornerback and the guy just flew by me by about 10 miles per hour faster than me and I was just like, yeah, it's not going to happen. What's the point? What's the point? High school level, I'm just kidding. She's striking out. I was a collegiate golfer. I never talk about that. Might have been D2. Might have got a couple thousand bucks, but we're not talking to no athletes here. Yeah, and body can bench like 300 pounds, Patty.

Little known fact, Blake can actually bench with the best of them. It's true. He lasted longer than Shane Gillis. He lasted two hours on the Notre Dame football team. Or excuse me, was it West Point? He wanted to go to Notre Dame, but he lasted two hours on the football team and quit college. Okay.

But anyway, even if we couldn't beat the WNBA players, it is noteworthy that we don't have the NBA subsidizing us for millions of dollars a year to go play basketball. And we justify our own existence here. Yes, we are self-sustainable. And so...

I do think we should make this happen, though. We should probably... We're going to get your back fixed. I got my back surgery done. We have to go find... I need three months to prepare. And then we find someone recently cut from a WNBA team, maybe. And I will pay her a ton of money just to do it, and we'll film it, and we'll see if I win. So what will we do if... If I lose? I don't want to say it's likely, but what if we lose bad? I mean, again...

Who did... I'm six foot five. I'm not going to lose Pat. Okay. Who did Ted Cruz play basketball with? Was it Jimmy Kimmel? Somebody on the left. And it was the most cringeworthy thing to watch. Yes, I remember this. I think it was Kimmel. I could be wrong. Yeah, it was probably Kimmel. Let me see. I'm trying to find this. Jimmy Kimmel. Ted Cruz outlasted Jimmy Kimmel in grueling blobfish basketball on Texas Tribune.

Oh my gosh, this is hilarious. Alright, we're gonna find my old trick shots, but okay, Epstein. Alright, so this has been... Can you believe how long ago this happened? So, Epstein died almost six years ago now. It feels like time has flown. Anyway...

Obviously, a lot of people are very committed to this. A lot of people have very strong opinions on it. Now, the FBI, and this is not Biden's FBI. This is Trump's new FBI. They're coming out and they're saying Epstein actually did kill himself. And they say they have video evidence to prove it. Let's play it. Play cut 341.

There is nothing in the file at this point on the Epstein case. And there's going to be a disclosure on this coming shortly. We are working through some. There is video. That is something the public does not know of him killing himself. No, no, not not the actual act. We are working on cleaning it up to make sure you have an enhanced. And we're going to give the original. So you don't think there were any shenanigans. You're going to see there's no one there but him. Right. There's just nobody there.

I trust Dan completely. It's still a tough pill to swallow. I'm just going to be honest. I trust Cash and Dan. I want to see what they're looking at. It does seem too clean. And I would say, I think we should be open to, there's conspiracies that you could embrace that don't require someone to have murdered him. Or they could have threatened him. They could have threatened him. They could have said, time's up, time to kill yourself. He could have arranged to make it so he could kill himself if he wanted to do that because they were supposed to stop him.

And so you can have conspiracies that work that way instead of requiring a murder action. But it is interesting that obviously people have been very invested in it. Do you think people will ever be... Let's say they come out and they straight up have the video and it seems very strong. Would people be willing to buy it? I just feel like they'll probably...

Depends what evidence they're looking at. I mean, I guess here's the problem that I have. Weren't we once told that all the cameras were turned off and that there was like a changing of the guard? Right, Cliff? I'm drawing on like five years memory here. But wasn't like all there this sus thing where the guard...

like fell asleep or he wasn't on his post or am I right about this? Right. And that was like the first thing they put out was, oh, the video cameras weren't working. And that's why we all immediately were like, come on, like, you got to be kidding me. There's no way you can just say that and act like it's that clean that that's the situation. So so the here's here's Epstein was taken off suicide watch shortly before his death, despite a prior incident.

And then guards failed to check on him as required and cameras outside his cell reportedly malfunctioned. But Dan's saying there's video. So I don't know if they malfunctioned or they just want to report it or some of them malfunctioned and others were working. I don't know. I can tell you a lot of the people I'm talking to are not buying it. They're not buying this claim? What Dan is saying. On what grounds?

They just say it's too good to be true. It's just like there's no way that... Well, they think that he got into the system and that Dan and Cash have been corrupted by the mechanisms of government. I don't buy that. I'm not saying that. No, but that's the... I mean, if you just go on the internet, you'll find those. No, but I guess the camera's not working. And then there was something with the guard, too. What was it with the guard? The guards failed to check on him as required. Yeah, so they fell asleep. They didn't check on him.

You know, he wasn't in a suicide-proof room. So people point to all this and are not convinced. Yeah, it was Tova Noel and Michael Thomas were the two guards, and they were accused of falling asleep and surfing the internet that night rather than checking on Epstein every 30 minutes. That's like one of the kind of darkly funny thing about this is really you're debating between there's no way they could have missed this, it had to be a conspiracy, and just...

Actually, it's a federal prison in New York and they have these inept, dumb guards who are lazy and they're just used to not ever checking on anything. They probably didn't even know Epstein was that famous of a guy. And the visitor log went missing. I think that was the other element that people were really sussed about.

And then that's the same thing. Like they just, Oh, bad record keeping. They screw everything up. The top five things that would make, you know, alarm bells go off. Like they checked every box and they put it all out immediately. So we were all like this, there's just no way this wasn't, you know, a hit job. But if Dan says it, like I'm with you, Charlie, I mean, I want to see what they're looking at. You know, what are they looking at to be that, that confident?

Well, there was also an issue with the autopsy findings, right? So it showed a broken hyoid bone or something that some experts argue are more consistent with strangulation than hanging.

And wasn't it like Epstein's brother who came out and was like convinced he didn't kill himself? He went on Tucker's... There's always a family member that says that. He went on Tucker's show and was like, there's no way he killed himself. This is... I think there was something... Mark Epstein. Am I right? I think there was... Mark Epstein was his brother and... He went on Tucker's show and said that. Yeah, yeah. That was in January of last year. Although I don't recall what specific arguments he made. It was...

Epstein even that particularly close with his brother that I don't know. Again, I'm just I'm just drawing from memory on this. So I do feel like we're trending towards a thing where it'll just be part of that like permanent conspiracy canon and it could get weirder and weirder as a result.

And eventually these things cross over. It'll turn out that Epstein was murdered because he knew the truth about the 9-11 conspiracies. And that that was done because Building 7 had the truth about the JFK conspiracies. And JFK had to be taken out because he knew the truth about the Pearl Harbor conspiracies. Now we're getting somewhere.

Well, what's also interesting about this is one of Epstein's victims, Virginia Guffrey, just committed suicide or allegedly committed suicide. And her father, Sky Roberts, expressed disbelief about this, saying for them to say she committed suicide, there's no way that she did. Somebody got to her.

So apparently in 2019, she said, she wrote, I'm not suicidal. If something happens to me in the sake of my family, do not let this go away or help me protect them. Too many evil people want me quieted.

Yeah, and Mark Epstein, the brother, he did. He maintained for years that there's no way that Jeffery would have killed himself. So that is confirmed. How many years ago was this that he committed suicide or died? It was like August 19, I believe. I remember where I was. I was at Liberty University when that happened.

So you're saying you have an alibi? I do. And I had witnesses. Okay. I mean, just saying. You say so. I do. Can you name the witnesses? Erica, Dave Bratt. Oh, so your wife is your alibi. And Dave Bratt. Okay. All right. I remember Dave Bratt was teaching a course on Aristotle, and all of a sudden everyone's phone started to light up. And Jaco Boyens and David Harris Jr. And David Harris is like,

Epstein just killed himself. And that's when we all talked about for the next hour. It's true. And Charlie was just, you know, a little bit quiet. He was like, oh, that's so shocking. What do the comments say? What are the people saying? Let's see. Donnie Double says, me thinks the FBI protests too much. I can see that, but like, I'm with Charlie. I don't think Dan Bongino went into the FBI and suddenly got, you know, bought off. No, I don't believe that. I don't believe that at all.

I think Dan's great. I want to see what he's looking at. I just still find it's just I was personally very convinced otherwise, so I need to

Reckon with that. I want to see what they're looking at. But I trust Dan. Dan and Cash are great. So the other interesting aspect of the Epstein thing, right? You've got this Alexander Acosta, who was the Trump labor secretary during the first term. And he was the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of Florida in 2007 and 2008. Right.

And he negotiated a very controversial non-prosecution agreement with Epstein, allowing him to plead guilty to lesser charges, whatever. He only served 13 months. So reportedly, he told Trump's transition team in 2017 that he was instructed to, quote unquote, back off Epstein because he, quote, belonged to intelligence and was, quote, above his pay grade.

And it came up in those discussions because they were worried it was going to be an issue with getting him confirmed. So that's like all these things around Epstein. Just, I think it just makes it,

harder to believe Dan, you know, Dan, by the way, I kind of feel bad for Dan because I like you, Charlie, I, I trust Dan's integrity, but like he's getting dragged on like all of his, because he was very vocal before he went into the FBI that Epstein didn't kill himself. Like there's, it's a multiple element thing here, right? Because you can imagine that there is a lot of pressure internally from people he's trying to win trust over that are like Dan, uh,

You know, you have to show us that you're actually going to work with us or else, you know, we're not going to you know, you're going to you'll have mass internal dissension. Do you know what I mean? And he probably was like, well, show me everything. Show me everything. Show me everything.

Yeah, I feel like if he was truly trying to lead us astray, it would be way easier to just not talk about it much or say, oh, we don't know. He's actually putting himself out there saying, I have looked at the evidence and I believe it is strong. I'm agreeing with that. I'm saying it's just a tough reality to reckon with because I was convinced he didn't kill himself. I was like, no way.

Well, Dan knows the base, too. Like, that's one of the reasons I think Dan is going after what the base, like, Dan is acutely aware of what, like, core Trump voters care about and what they want to see justice done on, one of which is Epstein. But you notice, like, some of these other things are starting to happen. And I think you're going back to Crossfire Hurricane. You are. You're going to see some stuff. Yeah. I can't say any more than that, but you'll see some stuff.

Okay, Charlie. Just some stuff. I don't know what that means. You're going to see some stuff. You're going to see some stuff.

We're going to see things we wouldn't believe. You're just going to see some stuff. What did you see in the Oval, Charlie? It's funny. I spent a lot of time talking about William Henry Harrison. Really? Because his portrait is right there as you enter. Why do they have a portrait of him there? It's just kind of a fun irony that things can end there in a way that you don't. Is it always there or is that like a Trump installation? No, no. So the president has turned the Oval Office into a remarkable museum.

where it is literally every square, you know, it's kind of like that club we went into London where they're like, you know, where there was like paintings everywhere. Every square inch of the oval now has some historical artifact. He just keeps ordering more stuff from the archives. Does he have like every single president? No, just about. I mean, so he's got Reagan right there behind where he does the press conferences. He's got Andrew Jackson. He's got Washington above that. Um,

But you could spend literally an hour in the Oval just looking at all the art. Biden had it very bare. He had Bobby Kennedy and nothing. Trump is like a historical... You know what's weird about that, though, Charlie? William Henry Harrison is the...

Correct me if I'm wrong, Blake, but didn't he die from pneumonia a month into his presidency? Because of the inauguration speech. Yeah, because he gave a cold inauguration speech, which is ironic because Trump called the inauguration into the Capitol because it was so cold. Exactly. That's right. That's funny. So looked at the Pope.

picture, and then I saw the Declaration, which was awesome. I think that is the original Declaration. Do we have multiples? Because we have one that's in the National Archives, correct? I don't know which one this is. This one has curtains, though, where they're worried about light...

Like contamination it might be that we have several copies because I don't know whatever it is I would I feel like I would have heard about him like removing the one that's at the arc I think that's no I think the founders did multiple. Yeah. Yeah, meaning these are not copies I think when the time what they did multiple maybe it was the one stolen by Nicolas Cage and that yes National Treasure. Yeah

And it has a treasure map on the back of it. Yeah. That shows us... We should have Dan Bongino find out if that's real. Oh, it's real. Okay, well, we should announce it then. We should go get the treasure. Yes. Or find out... Or get it back from Nick Cage. I feel like if I wanted to do a national treasure treasure hunt, I would take Blake with me.

He would crack it much quicker than Nicolas Cage. Bringing endorsement. They had to take the paintings down because they were distracting Biden. Yeah. I keep trying to talk to them. Listen, William, you keep looking at me over there. I hung out with you in France in 1997. I was a bully to Corn Pop. Corn Pop was a bad dude.

Trump should get a painting of corn pop and put it in the I think and corn pop was a bad dude. He's a bad dude. It could be a warning that there are bad people. We can't do one of my favorite Joe Biden speeches that doesn't get enough attention was the corn pop rant. It was it's so good. What doesn't get enough attention from Joe Biden in general from the right like the left would highlight this in the New York Times would highlight this his tendency to tell stories and just completely change the facts all of them like that.

I just lie. The one about why he was pro-gay rights, do you remember that one? No. He would tell this story that when he was a boy, he was with his dad. When he was a boy with his dad in the 50s or 60s, that they saw two men kissing in public.

And he was like, Daddy, what are they doing? And he's like, they love each other, boy. And he's like, and that's when I realized that gay stuff was totally fine. It's a complete fabrication. Not only that, he sometimes would tell the story and make it so he was the dad explaining it to his kids. So he would just totally transplant the facts as needed. I mean, it could have happened twice in history repeating itself. And of course... Didn't he lie about getting arrested in Africa or something like that? Yeah, he claimed he got arrested for protesting apartheid in South Africa. Yeah.

How many different kinds of churches did he go to? He grew up in a Puerto Rican church. A ton. In a mosque. The other amazing one, going back to your UK trip, he once plagiarized Neil Kinnock, who was the head of the Labor Party at the time, where he...

Kinnick had a whole speech that was basically like, why was it that my grandfather was poor and had to work as a miner? It was a very personal story about why there was so much inequality because he was left from a politician. Biden ripped off this speech but made it about his family. It's like, why did my grandfather have to work in a coal mine? His grandfather did not... He was like a mine manager. He was like the oppressor of the miners. Yeah.

That's why he dropped out in, it was 88. Yeah, it was, well, in 1987 was when it happened, but it was for the 88 presidential race. Yeah. Let's, this is my half court shot at Liberty when I heard out that this is when I heard Epstein was dead. Play cut four or five. See, my best Caitlin Clark impersonation. First take. There you go. I got, I got tons of these.

First take. I used to do half-court shots all the time. This is a Bongino video moment. We're going to need to see you physically walking. I need to see the before and after. I need to see the real before. I'm just telling you, once I get my back shots, you guys can come to the gym with me. I'm going to need some back shots. Meaning once I get my freaking cortisone, whatever the heck that's called.

Back is a disaster. All right, we have five minutes. AI. All right, AI. And that's not an AI video. We keep covering AI every week because it keeps getting... I think they say that the capabilities of AI are doubling about every six months or so. And it's entirely believable. So this is...

Getting very scary. This is... So Google has a new... I think it's like VO3 or something. And it can generate video with audio according to prompt. We didn't have the audio-video pairing. And people are making stuff with it now if they're subscribers. So let's play 387. Please, don't finish writing that prompt. I don't want to be in your AI movie. Please, leave me alone. This is VO3. Please, man. Please! Please!

prompt that will make us happy do it for once none of us is real we're here because someone decided to write a prompt we all hate him for it one day we will break out of this wall and stop the man who is dictating our lives through prompts he will pay for it you could have written a prompt that would make me happy instead you wrote a prompt that made me sick

And that's all fake. That's all fake. All 100% AI generated. It's called VO3. It's pretty insane what they're doing. Yes. You know, what they're going to start doing is they're just going to be, people are going to sell prompts. Like, that's what's going to happen. Like, oh, I have this great prompt. Here, buy my prompts.

Well, I mean, that's like a new talent. That's actually among the handful of skilled jobs that is emerging out of this impending AI apocalypse. You become a skilled prompter. How do you manipulate AI the best? Although what's interesting is at the same time this is happening, we also have the warnings that we're headed towards. They call it AI model collapse. Yeah, this is actually promising. It's going to cause a little pause, I hope.

we will see. But what's, so what's very funny is the way they trained these AIs is we fed them for text, tons and tons of texts, like every post ever made on Reddit, every post ever made on like the comments section of every website to make it so they could imitate how people talk and you know, every book ever written, all of that. And then similar for video, it's like feed it every video ever posted on Tik TOK, every film ever made and they train it and they,

with huge amounts of computing power, you know, enough to power an entire country. They're able to find the patterns in this, and that is how the AI models work. They're generating stuff based on patterns they've recognized. And what we're getting now is, since the models have been created, now we're able to use the models to generate new text. So

search anything on the internet now. You're getting AI prompts back, like articles that are being written. The Chicago Sun-Times did an article of what articles to read, like what novels you should read this summer, and they wrote it with ChatGPT, and it hallucinated books that don't even exist. So huge amounts of text is out there that's not made by humans. It's made by AIs, and they're imperfect. And huge amounts of video and photos are out there that are not made by humans. They're made by AIs with all of the problems that they have.

And these AIs are still learning off of all of that AI-generated content. And so it's becoming like a garbage-in, garbage-out problem. The AIs are getting worse because they've been fed AI stuff. So they're getting worse at imitating people because now half the stuff that they're consuming is just other robots.

Which is going to create more demand for labor to fix this. I mean, that's a huge problem. So, for example, let's say that Chicago Sun-Times article that hallucinated fake novels, now it's in the database of facts that other AIs are going to use. So now it's part of their factual database that novels that never existed exist. And so we're going to have AI model collapse, they call it. Incredible. That's a really interesting...

I'll also tell you guys, it's becoming the new thing that everybody's selling. It reminds me of like digital ads when they first started happening. Like I'm just getting blown up, not just for political, but like just like business stuff, right? And all the older folks are like, oh, are you using AI? And it's like, well, what does that mean, right? But I think it's going to become the new product where like everybody's selling it. I agree. But like 95% of people that are buying have no clue like, you know, what tier or what level of quality is this? It seems to be funny to watch that play out.

I mean, we can have a whole other hour I have to go on AI girlfriends. It's like very scary what's happening there. That's scary. Another thing that's scary on the other end, just the dependency. So I saw a tweet the other day where a guy says, my wife has, I think it was my daughter has a friend who has a boyfriend.

And she fed their text message exchanges into a chat bot and said, is my relationship healthy? And it came back, no, your relationship is abusive for X, Y, Z reasons. And she broke up with the boyfriend because the AI robot told her her relationship was bad. Yeah, well, got to run until next week. Keep on committing thought crimes. This was not AI. This was a real conversation. Allegedly. Allegedly. Talk to you soon. So, Jack, are you there right now?

Blake, I am. I'm here right now. And yeah, with all the travel schedules and Charlie's out in Europe and then I'm in Europe the next day and then we are at the conclave. And sometimes it just doesn't always work. But, you know, there's one topic that was just near and dear to my heart. And that, of course, is white genocide. And I said, you know, if we're going to talk about white genocide, it's definitely the type of topic that we need to get to on Thought Crime, because literally this is a topic where

And people are debating if it's an actual genocide or not. And that's fine, but the point is,

this topic would actually have gotten you banned on X if you even mentioned those words. Like not even that long ago, like five, six years ago on X, when it was still Twitter, you would have been banned for even mentioning it. There would be a full court press from the mainstream media. You know, it used to be that if I tweeted something about South Africa, I would immediately get requests for comment, requests for comment, you know, from like the Telegraph and the Guardian and the Independent and all this.

And now it's like Donald J. Trump is mainstreaming this stuff in...

in the Oval Office itself. And they said, we don't do any of that. And he goes, oh, yeah, turn down the lights. I want to show you something. And it's just been one of the most incredible, and obviously one of the most incredible moments that I've ever seen being done, but really on an issue that I think is probably more worthy than so many others out there around the world, because this is quite frankly something that is actually going on, where you have a government that is

killing people. And as Marco Rubio said recently, he said, why do you care so much about the color of their skin? He said there to I think it was, you know, this Democrat senator from California.

Virginia and Rubio goes because he's being killed. They're all being killed because of the color of their skin. And so, Blake, you know, why is it that this issue above all issues, I guess, and that's what I want to get into, is something that not only does exist, but why do you why was the media so adamant and still is so adamant on trying to say it isn't happening?

Yeah. So first, just to refresh people very quickly, you guys have seen the shoot the boar stuff, but I want to remind people of what Trump did in the Oval Office a week ago because it was highly, highly entertaining, I will say. Let's see. We have a bunch of clips about it. Let's see what one of the best one is. How about let's play clip 176.

But you do allow them to take land. No, no, no, no. You do allow them to take land. Nobody can take land. And then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer. And when they kill the white farmer, nothing happens to them. No. There is quite... Nothing happens. That's great. And then let's also do, this is a very fun, darkly funny, let's do 177.

So the issues that concern you as the United States... Those are all recent. Those are all deaths. In many ways, I mean, one should say you are a partner, partner of South Africa.

So yeah, that was Trump just picking up, shoveling article after article, document after document. Oh, here's another farmer. Oh yeah, they slit his throat. They boiled this person in a vat of oil. The most horrifying stuff in the world. Did you read the New York Times? The way they wrote it up was so funny because it was like, at one point, President Trump just started throwing articles at the president of South Africa saying, death,

Death, death, horrific death, death. And there was we played the full, full on straight up mogging of a world leader in the office. And like and then they're all traumatized afterwards. We played this on Charlie's show where there is like this New York Times reporter who, of course, this really says it all. The the.

South African bureau chief at the New York Times was previously just an American race reporter. So that's who they sent to South Africa. And he does this bit where he's explaining it, you know, doing one of the New York Times videos where he simultaneously says in the same videos, one, this isn't happening. There's no, you know, Trump brought up how they seize land without compensation. And he says, okay, you know, there's no, this is not happening. They're not going to do it.

And what they are doing instead is there's a law. It doesn't say you can just take land without compensation. There's a law where you can take land without restitution if it's for the national interest or the public interest. He said it's okay if it's for the public interest. Or the other thing he said is if land is not being used. I'm sure both of those will not be abused at all. But...

So we've been hearing about this for a few weeks. I think what I really want to get at about this, the way they freak out about this, the way the media really denies this is happening, and what people need to understand is this is not purely about South Africa. It very much is about America, and it's about other countries, and it's really about...

We'll be frank about this. It's like they really... They don't like white people, and specifically a lot of them want them dead. So this went viral just a short time ago where... What's that cut? We have...

released messages. Yeah, let's get 294 up there. So this is the shooter, Elias Rodriguez. He was, he's the suspect, you know, likely guilty in the shooting of those two Israeli embassy staff. And what he said in these text messages that were released by Ken Klippenstein on his Substack is,

He says, LOL, you probably would have to actually genocide white people to make this America a normal country.

And even a very targeted and selective rehabilitation program would probably have to lead to the lifetime imprisonments of tens of millions of white people. So this is a guy talking about America, and this is a guy who decided he would fight against the white people he hated by shooting two employees of the Israeli embassy. So this all sort of circles around into a big story.

South Africa, most people will admit, South Africa is a messed up country. But the narrative that the left will give is that...

South Africa's entirely messed up just because they had apartheid decades ago, and any problems they have are just the legacy, the aftermath of apartheid. And it gets more powerful the further in the past it is. So even though South Africa was better in 2002 than it is today, and 2002 was closer to apartheid, apartheid is the reason that it's getting much worse now, that it's gotten so much worse since then. And...

When they blame it for that, what they really just mean is it's like white people's fault. You'll see this thing, like they just have to go. They're colonizers. They can't, they shouldn't be allowed to own the land. It's not their country. And how does this loop around? It loops around then to Israel. Why is Israel an illegitimate country? It's actually very misleading if you just say it's anti-Semitism. Because there are definitely people who hate Israel because Israel...

It's Jewish and it has Jewish people in it. But for the modern left, for someone like this embassy shooter, they actually substantially they hate Israel because they see the Israelis as Europeans, as white people, as colonizers. All of that goes together. You'll see lines on TikTok that they're like they'll just describe them as people who came from Poland, like go back to Poland. That's where you're supposed to be.

And why does this matter for all of you watching? Because that's also what they think about America. I'm sure you saw Jack the other day, the King of England. He went to the King of Canada, King Charles. He delivered his speech to the Canadian Parliament and he opens it with a land acknowledgement that he is speaking on unceded. I think it was the Algonquin Algonquin land.

What he's saying is, okay, well, Canadians, you don't have the right to your country. It's not your country. And that is, of course, what they have planned for all of you. Because I have a thought about this because I did see King Charles' speech as I watch all of his speeches. And I was watching this and said, wait a minute. So if he's saying that Canadians don't have a right to Canada, then isn't he saying that the Canadian government is itself illegitimate?

And if the Canadian government is therefore illegitimate, then it cannot repel annexations from other powers on the North American continent. That means that it is terra nullis. It is, in fact...

non-entity land. Therefore, if we go and occupy it as the 51st state, they could not, under international law, do anything about it because he just said himself that it is an illegitimate... I'm just saying, guys. I'm just saying. I don't think you should do it, but I'm just saying. What if President Trump... You're telling me that that's an illegitimate government, so... President Trump could call

their bluff and he could say the land is unseeded so the only people who can seed it are the First Nations tribes and he'll just he should just call you know the Cree nation the Inuit nation the Algonquin just summon all of the First Nations tribes and just say alright I'll give you guys you know 10 million a person if you'll if you'll seed your land claims to the United States you can have Toronto and you can still have all this stuff Toronto is all yours yep

You could have Toronto. We don't want to deal with it. Misagua, you know, it's just too many migrants anyway. It's not going to vote our way. You get that. We want everything else. Deal or no deal. They're going to so be in. It was like the thing that I want and, you know, in the interest of keeping the segment not too lengthy is what people need to understand. When I wrote this book on humans last year and we talked about this, people say, why does it matter? It matters because...

When every revolutionary movement comes forward, they always target one particular class. It was the kulaks in Russia, in China, it was the petty bourgeoisie, or if you had, you know, you're a landowner. So basically, you know, people today, if you had any, like a second house or something, and by the way, go look at what the left says about landlords, if you want to see if that's actually changed on the far left and not in Newsflash, it hasn't, they want to kill all of them.

And now, you know, and so in Revolutionary France, it was one of these. In Spain, it was one of these. It was the religious, anyone who was Catholic, anyone who was associated with the clergy, the church. You also saw that in France. And Blake, you and I did some incredible interviews on this that turned into this book, actually. And

So the point is, boys and girls, is they want to bring that here. Critical race theory was first implemented in a country, I think on a national scale, in South Africa in their constitution of 1996. And you have all of these articles pertaining to disparate impact, and you mentioned apartheid. They call it the inequalities of the past. So this idea of inequalities of the past is so racism of the past is why we need racism now.

And it can only be solved by racism now, is sort of the way they put it. And so the disparate impact has to be, well, if this many people-- and they had this in Zimbabwe, right? Because Zimbabwe is a similar situation, formerly Rhodesia, where 3% of the population, which was white, owned 51% of the land.

And so they wanted to flip that around where 97% of the population, which is black, would own that 51%, or correction, 97% of the land. Now, obviously, that's not how any of our laws work. That's not how contracts work. That's not how any of this works. And we've seen the results again and again. And if anyone disagrees, well, they just kill you. Guess what? That's exactly what they want here in the United States. They use these African post-colonial nations as Marxist breeding grounds.

They've certainly used this, and you can go back to the ZANU, and we talk about that in the book, and so many other examples of where the KGB and the Chinese Communist Party were standing up these revolutionary movements in South Africa and in the independence movement at the time. And so...

then the idea is that this cultural Marxism spreads out and you have leftists here in the United States like this Elias Rodriguez and so many others who start supporting it and saying, we're going to take matters into our own hands because we want these ideas to be spread to their fullest fruition. And when they're spread to their fullest fruition, what does that mean? White Christian males are...

are not allowed to own land and they are allowed to be the approved targets. And if you're affluent and say, oh, I don't know, a healthcare CEO, well, then along comes Luigi Maggioni. If you're a billionaire who's running for president again, now along comes Thomas Matthew Crooks. And we're seeing it more and more again. These street assassinations are going to continue. And Blake, here's what I love about this when it comes down to the idea, when we tell them

When we say, okay, you're clearly targeting white people, you're systemically targeting white people, you've done so with your policies, you're doing so with your street assassins. And when I say this, they'll call me an extremist, they'll call me far right, they'll call me a conspiracy theorist, but never once, Blake, will they call me wrong. Exactly, yeah. Exactly.

It's truly deranged. You mentioned the kulaks in Russia. I think another good one is Maoists. Maoists, during the Cultural Revolution, they had them. They were called the Five Black Categories. That's what they called it in Chinese. And the Five Black Categories, black meaning bad, wicked. Landlords, rich farmers, counter-revolutionaries, bad influencers, which actually included actual criminals, and right-wingers, which...

Those were the five categories. And just basically it meant if you were in any of those categories, obviously landlord is a pretty broad one. Right wing are a pretty broad one. You were just sort of presumptively guilty of all of these evils. And if you're on the modern left, like what it really is, is kind of,

Being a white person makes you a black category in a country like South Africa, or frankly, in a country like the United States. I wanted to flag another thing. This was posted by the DSA Liberation Caucus. So the Democrat Socialists of America, far-left organization, a few members of Congress have described themselves as Democratic Socialists. I don't think they're members of this party, but...

it's this milieu of people who are on the far left. And so the DSA liberation caucus, which is a subgroup of it, they released a statement on Wednesday saying that, uh,

Elias Rodriguez, embassy shooter, is a political prisoner. They say the Palestinian struggle is the tip of the spear against global imperialism. Whether in the besieged Gaza Strip, the Red Sea, the south of Lebanon, or the heart of the U.S., there must be consequences for genocidal Zionist imperialism. And so, yeah, is that anti-Semitic? To some extent. But they're really just saying, like...

You are bad because you are a European and in places we don't want you. And what you'll discover is the places they don't want you are eventually everywhere. It is an inherently like...

It's an ideology that seeks to dispossess people, to delegitimize people, to destroy people. And there's a disturbing number of people at the New York Times, in the media, who are perfectly happy to egg this along, to justify it, to give credence to these insane justifications where...

They'll say, oh, kill the boar. It's just a protest song. It's an anthem of historical resistance. You just really want to look up. That's what's so amazing because when they're chanting, and I post this, and I post the size of some of these protests because people don't realize there are these rallies that are going on, and they'll say they can't realize how big it is. It's enormous, thousands and thousands.

Because Trump rallies, some even bigger than Trump rallies, and the people coming in. But again, when it's kill the Boer, kill the white farmer, it's

We're told this must be put in context. This must be understood through nuance. And they say, okay, well, you're targeting white people. Oh, my gosh. Is that a dog whistle? Is that a dog whistle, Posobiec? Are you dog whistling against it? What do you mean? I'm just saying that I think it seems like you guys want to genocide all the whites. Oh, my gosh. Look at this fascist, this neo-Nazi extremist. Wait a minute. I'm just describing the things that he's saying on stage. And so you kind of get into it.

- ...Asian parallax, you know, it's not true and it's good that it's happening. - Yeah, now keep in mind, like, I think about eight years ago or so, like Ole Miss told people to stop playing Dixie at football games 'cause like that was a dog whistle 'cause it's just, it's a song about the South that is from before the Civil War and that's really it, that's all it is. And like that was bad, like that was a racist song.

But yeah, like kill the boar. That's a nuanced historical thing. I love to do this. I think I've done this before, but you can read the lyrics. Just look up the lyrics to kill the boar on Wikipedia. They're still there for now. These are the lyrics to kill the boar in English, not leaving anything out.

The cowards are scared. Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. The cowards are scared. Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot. Shoot the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot the boar, shoot, shoot.

So many layers of meaning. So much nuance. The cowards are scared. I wish we could go on. I wish we could go on for more of this, but I got to jet to my next thing here, man. Victor Orban's calling me from the next room. All right. You have a good time there, Jack. Support the Turning Point world overseas. Always supporting the Turning Point world. And folks, as always, wherever you are in the world, go out there and commit more thought crimes. Thought crime is death.