Julia Gets Wise with Isabella Rossellini
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I'm sure i've mentioned here on wise than me that I have a dog named George, whom i'd love with all my heart. He is perfect. Well, he's got inflaming bell disease, and he is allergic to everything.

And he barks, wait too much when somebody comes to the door. He worked so much, actually, that IT makes my apple watch give me a disable alert thing. But still he is perfect.

And coming for me, that's saying something. Because, you know what, I don't have an ideal history with dogs at all. First, our childhood dog puppy, a minature dox in um peppy was run over by a vox wagon bug. And I know that's kind of funny now, but believe me at the time IT was a complete horror show.

And then there's jack, so jack was a rescue cavalier king Charles spaniel that my first husband brought home, announced one day when I was eight months pregnant, juggling a four year old working a thousand hours a day on sign felt, and, let's say, unprepared for the rigors of dog ownership. Yeah, I mean, my first husband was a nice man, but he brought jack home with no create, no food, no dog dishes and no plan. And the first thing, the jack was escape from the house and run as fast he fuck in.

Could east like perhaps towards meca or jerusalem? I have no idea. But lord almighty, did he take off? He was so fast that my husband got on his bike and I gotten a car and, forensic, chased after him, until we finally caught him in the middle of traffic on sunset.

Bull of heart, okay. So at this point, you can imagine I wasn't exactly thrilled with this first husband of mine. Who I should mention is brad hall, to whom I am surprisingly still married.

So the next day, bread thought I would be a very good idea to drive jack the dog an hour a half of a super curve road to a little beach house where we were staying. And paul little jack got very Cassie. And then when he arrived, he proceeded to have project our area all over the place.

And I screamed so loud that bread, in a panic, picked the poor dog up underneath his belly and tried to run them outside. N. S.

Ran the diary, a spread like machine gunfire across all the walls of the beach cottage. And I really actually mean all the walls. And if I were call correctly, they also had sized carpeting.

So i'm just put that in your mind. OK diary. Cisl carpeting yeah. IT will not come as a surprise that brad left within the hour to take the dog back to the shelter where he waited until little jack was happily readopt by a family that was much more prepared to care for this poor creature who I fear that we had probably traumatized completely.

And so many years later I was convinced to get another dog, a black labor dude, al, we adopted from australia since you couldn't get lord dals in california yet. And rad did his research and figured out how to bring the dog over, which was very good. And I was all very organized.

And also, I should say, in my dad bs file, there is this tradition of naming female dogs after hours. And since our sun, Henry was a giant fan of the power puff girls. The perfect intersection there was buttercup.

And that's what we named her. And this is a dog that transformed me. I mean, I was, I still am very much a cat person, but now i'm a dog person too.

Buttercup was utterly sublime. And for the next fifteen years of her tender little dogging life, i'd learned through her what IT is to be truly devoted to a dog. I mean, of course, there are lots of reasons to love them, the unconditional love, the companionship, the connection.

Plus, guess what, there's a science behind IT. This is gona sound bullshit, folks. But it's true when people spent time with dogs, and especially when we look into a dog's ice or cuttle with a dog gor, whatever our oxytocin levels rise, we looked IT up.

And in humans, IT plays a really important role in social bonding and in love and reproduction and childbirth and caring for children after you give birth to them. And here's the completely outrageous part of all of this. When we make eye contact with our dogs, their oxytocin levels go up too.

Isn't that amazing? So this all leads me to my mother in law, who is ninety six years old, talk about wiser than me. My god, he is one of the deerest most selfless people i've ever known.

SHE is the most selfless person i've ever known. Actually, SHE suffers now from serious frontal lobe dimension. But her personality, by the Grace of god, or whoever is in charge of the universe, is utterly unchanged.

And if you matter, your oxytocin levels would skyrocket. Because she's just that kind of a person. So um we often take our dog George over to her little cottage to visit.

And SHE has no functional memory at all. So every time he meets her, George, for her, it's like meeting a new dog. And each time we have to remind her that our dog, George, is named after her husband, whose name was George.

And SHE laughs and SHE throws her head back. He thinks that is just so hilarious. And then SHE looked George straight, the eye and SHE ruffles his friend.

He says, in her inevitable way he goes, all coal, the only dogs. And then George, and here's the amazing thing, he only does this with her. okay? He curls up right out feet, and sometimes even on her feet, and he doesn't move until we have to go.

He just becomes kindness. And how can I be that this little domesticated wolf creature can know is exactly what he needs to do to bring a tiny bit of joy to his dears grani. And isn't IT so wonderful that there are sometimes unexpected places that love and warm and joy can be found even when time seem a little dark?

You know, as for all of us these days, they often do so when George lies down at Green, his feet each just IT really makes me weep. And as shakespeare said, this is such a great line. Shakespeare says, how much Better is IT to whip at joy than to joy at weeping?

So that's what .

i'm thinking about today. Sorry, i'm choked up. Animals, family, friends, warmth and joy. Let's focus on that. And that makes talking today with the endless ly joyful isabela ross li just about perfect.

Hi, i'm Julia. We drive this and this is wiser than me, the podcast where I get schooled by women who are.

If legendary filmmaker Roberta rustle, I, an iconic Oscar winning entrees, Ingrid bergman had a child together, you might guess the kid will turn out to be either a brilliant director, a phenomenal actor or strikingly beautiful. Well, you be spotted on because our guests today, all three of those things and more. The strikingly beautiful part, her fourteen year contract with lanka, made her the highest paid model of her time.

The phenomenal actress part SHE started in classic cult films like David lin ches blue velvet and wild at heart in marcela shell, and her latest conclave in which he is just sensational. SHE also steers her own projects like directing the incredible Green porno series that became a viral hit. I love IT diving into the love lives of the animal kingdom, only isabela could make snail sex, both educational and ugly, charming.

She's truly one of a kind, constantly experimenting and pushing boundaries, and always with a fearless authenticity that, even though she's been doing that for decades, is exciting and surprising and even shocking. And I just love this. In her fifties, as modeling work and acting roles disappeared, SHE went back to school to get her masters degree and animal behavior and conservation.

At her graduation, he addressed her fellow students to say, I am here to tell you that if you ever encounter her a dip in your life, pay no attention to the voice inside of you that judge you. That is negative, that Fosters, furthers anxiety. Just follow your curiosities.

That's great for our show. And when IsaBella sina and he follows her curiosity, SHE goes big today, SHE owns and Operates mama farm in long island with her two children. They have goats, ducks, turkeys over one hundred and fifty chickens and a small flock of rare breeds of sheep named after iconic female artist like garbo, calo and okee. Who does that? The woman is living life entirely on her own terms, but the real legacy she's building is through her work in sustainability, community and art I am so happy to speak today with a twin sister, mother, grandmother, creative force and chicken lover who is absolutely wise er than me the marvelous isabela roslin I welcome .

isabela Julia this introduction made so I moved and I about to cry show so .

go right ahead and wheat aways what I have to say so are you comfortable if I ask your real age?

Yeah, seventy two, not in a half. Because when I was Younger, say three in a ha, four and a ah, now I took to half away. So it's seven, two, not yet to half, but soon.

And how old do you feel is a bill?

Well, you know, it's funny. I never mean inside you don't change. I haven't changed. I was like, I maybe a team in teenager years at a little bit a torment once you hit twent doesn't change inside. The outside changes, but the inside is the same.

So what do you think you think you feel like you're in your twice?

And yes, I I don't know. I never really think of age. You don't know.

I know a lot of people talk about my age, ask my job for age. I got my job bad for age. So my life is very based on age.

But I never really think about IT so much. Yeah, I don't know what to do with that. I mean, he just happens.

Yeah, exactly, luckily. yeah. I mean, the alternative is.

yeah, alternatives is not so good.

So what do you think is the best part about being your age if you were to say.

well, you know um yesterday I was I saw an interview with jodie Foster and he answered for me SHE. I wish I could memorize what he said so I can review exact well.

you can paraphrase .

and but I think that what happens is when you are Young, you have so many things to prove that your financially independent may be the is, you know, you have to prove that, professor, they gave you a bad notice that you were intelligent capability. And you have good mother. You raise your children, good wife.

And then as you become older, that preoccupation lifts. And you just say, what I am, I am with the limitation. I am that intelligent, this beautiful, this fat, this old, and you accept IT.

So there is a certain amount of serenities. And with that I can have a freedom, because you also say where sec. And here is not much left.

Let me do what I always wanted to do. And I didn't do IT for whatever reason, like for me was going back to study because, yes, I first of all, there was an animal behavior. IT was a new science. So the university .

didn't offer IT .

when I was in the and IT wasn't offered at the time because it's relatively there was biology that was swallower but not eola's. Yes, so that was one reason. And then then I start modeling.

I was working. So I thought everybody saying, yes, the holiday, what the hell is that you working with? Yeah janzen, there's no way to make a living, which is true.

So you know, modeling and all that seemed more concrete. But then when you all do just as well, I have my pension. You know what? I'm going to start the ideology there is a freedom .

that comes with IT. Yeah, freedom in serenity. I love that. I love that. Yes, it's funny and reminds me completely off topic, but kind of related.

They're back in the days what I was doing sign felt then there was a something that Jerry stiller, there was a line that he used to say. He used to scream, used to scream serenity. Now when he was looking to be calm, he would scream serenity now, which is not exactly, of course, what you're talking about.

But IT makes me laugh whenever I hear towards surrenders. I think of IT. So you have this farm, which is incredible, uh, and you are a farmer. And as I mentioned, you have one hundred and fifty chick's their abouts and sheep and bees and the whole nine yard kitten kbb to what's your routine like on the farm? Can you describe IT is about a well.

you know also have employees because of course, I somehow work as an model and an actress came back. So i'm often traveling. I really more manager you, you know, the only thing I do, because everybody's afraid is the bees. And they don't need to be attended every day, but every week or every two weeks, which allows me to travel, be an actress, come home, attend the bees. Yes, but, you know, feeding the chickens, I mean, I what I try to, so I manage IT.

And the principal is that I can do things that I can do yeah, because if ever somebody sick, I know how to feed them, how to clean the coup to moderate, how to give a certain medicine if IT is not sophisticated, and we need to call the vet. So I develop the farm with things that I could do directly. I, but you know what's happening, i'm getting old. And some of the things that I decided to and ten years ago, I can't do anymore .

like what like what like cleaning .

the coup because there is a lot of traveling and and my backers.

oh, that's hard on your back, right?

But at least I know how to do IT and what he takes. And I think that makes you a good manager because you have a sense of what he takes. Because, you know, farming was so far from the way I grew up, and I was not so far as IT is in america.

Because in italy, where I grew up, farm is around in a culture tradition. In italy is so present that farmers market, we only ate food from the farmers market. We never went to the supermarket.

We went to the supermarket. If there was, I don't know, that pandemic, a war. I mean, that that was the emergency.

You never buy frozen food. Yeah, he was everyday fresh fruit from the market. yes. And so we had a relationship with farmers. We went to see their farms. So that was IT was a kind of different a way of eating than here in america.

Where can you just back up for? Thank because I need to hear about bees. I'm so curious.

I'm tempted to have bees. Tell them you about bees. What male bees? They have a grandfather, but not a father. How do you like that?

I like IT, and i'm curious. Continue, please. So their .

genetic is different than us. So in the base there is only one female, the queen, yes, that reproduces. So she's born. SHE flies off as a virgin in a natural flight. SHE gets made ted with several male.

嗯， SHE goes back and he started to hive, and he has a perimeter at, like we have a disco tech or a bilby otec, as we say, italian attack. As SHE has a perimeter, SHE collects the sperm. So SHE flies off in this natural flight for one day, SHE collections, all this firm that he will use throughout her life. Her life is generally about three years, and he would use the sperm to create daughters and north firms to create her son's, the drones. But we .

explained me, grandfather.

and not so the the drone has a grandfather, because the queen has had a mother and a father? Yes, because you have a mother and a father to be a female, yes. So the newly borne son called the drone has a grandfather but doesn't have a father.

Oh, I understand .

because the queen doesn't use sperm to create the males. It's not a one because it's a different sex, so it's a different genetics. And to me, dealing with those bees is like going to mars to another planet and nuts tell.

So like when you go in there and you're doing your be keeping work, what does that look like?

So IT depends on the season. So you want to make sure that, first of all, you want to make sure that the queen is laying eggs and the queen legs about one thousand five hundred ex per day. God is, you know, forty, fifty, sixty thousand bees.

So you want to make sure that there is eggs and that the queen is a life. And well um you also check for disease zero a mites is a might that uh affects a lot of the and so you have to put medicines and to try to treat them for IT there is A A beatles at my attack. Once I found a mouse inside the hive, they killed IT.

All the bees jumped on IT and they punt, they stung and he was dead os's wool and dead from this thing so they defend themselves. But but you have to check and then you depends on the season. You know like now it's starting to be there is not much food for them.

They have made the honey that IT is the food that they will eat during the winter. But I stole IT. I took IT.

I just left some, but I have and feeding them in the winter. Throughout the winter, I give them two type of food, one is a liquid food, one is not too cold. And then I switch to solid food, a party, kind of sugar party. And then I stop around march when I see them coming and bringing poland, because I know that now that can feed, and then I don't feed them anymore because the honey wouldn't be very good if I .

give them this article.

You know, this, you you the flowers.

you so you're supplementing their diets since you're taking away some of their own food source, I understand completely. Yeah, that's fascinating. That is absolutely that you've been never sorry to keep asking his questions.

But i'm also drunk so many times. Once I had to do a mammogram, and I attended my bees in the morning and they attacked my hand and I had a hand. IT was enormous, and I went for a mammogram, and the doctor kept say, no, no, no.

What's wrong with your hand? Nothing that are these? They just oner don't worry me for a mammogram, my mom, that of great cancer.

Please do the no, no, no. We have to do an actually of your hand. No, doctor, please. It's just my bees.

Oh my god. So most of the animals on your farm are, for the most part, female. Mile nature.

Ninety percent of the b population, female.

About the animals.

yeah, the chicken. So the chickens to lay eggs. So I have a hard time killing animals are not a vegetarian. I'm just a hypocritic because I just eat the food, but I cannot eat the animal that i've raised myself. I see, and I have a really hard time killing them.

I I tried to learn how to do IT because I thought he was part of my duty, but is just horrible. So another way of managing the farm is that we don't kill any animals. Plus there is no good um how you call IT.

Now we see do you speak languages? And so sometimes work comes in a different language. A french matto italian slaughterhouse, english, he finally came. There is no good slaughterhouse in on the island and one of the stressed st moment for the animal is to be transported to the slaughter's house so the slaughter house can be humane or not I mean they say, I mean I don't know, but um i'm sure there is various degree, but the transportation is very stressful.

So as they decided not to um have any meat, so we can have eggs, therefore I need only female because the chicken they lay eggs. They don't need a rooster. The eggs is like a remenant ration, but only they do IT everyday, right?

So they have an egg everyday. You don't need a ter for having eggs. I have a sheep and goats. At the beginning, I had only female. Male sometimes fight, but, uh, now I have two males that are castrated in their Angels.

Did you have to have them castrated?

Or they came that way. They came that way.

I say, that's the way they got entrance.

My neighbor had them, and I I met them when they were lift lambs just born and SHE was going to eat them and I said, well, if you don't eat them, I like to have them because I just saw them and and he has rated them for me.

That is hilarious. You know, your son described you as going from the big city life to a really different lives out the farm. It's almost as SHE becomes a different person.

So I want to know about that. I want to know what's the difference between big city is about and and farm isabela. How would you describe.

you know, the way of dressing changes completely? No, in the city, you have to dress up a bit and you have to be clean.

In the country, you know, shoes are different cloth, are you? Sometimes I might have a beautiful designer jacket by old, so has been promoted to being a farm jacket.

But I mean, a set a different mental state for you .

a little bit, a little bit. But i'm a lot in the country so either work um i'm i'm very seldom in the city. First of all, if you if you are from new york, you were born in new york.

I was born in new york is difficult .

to leave new york because no love make you believe that he's the center of the world. And if you leave IT, you're going to become peripheral to culture or peripheral. So at the beginning, I was going to the city much more often, going to see the shows. And little by little, I I am doing this less. So I go to the city and now I become like a farmers as a so much traffic and smell so bad so much, I complain you've become .

that person.

Yes.

somebody came that person, but all of your family has moved. Yes, I believe yes. So we've got everybody, your daughter, your son on the farm and .

my three grandchildren. I have three .

grandchildren.

How the smallest one seven months. Then the reason three year old and a seven year old.

oh, how divine IT seems very sort of matti article is IT IT .

is materia articles. It's funny because people, we have this bed and breakfast and talking to you from the bed and breakfast, yes, and often went guest come, they say there is a very strong female energy. And strange enough, you know, we are booked for conferences or seminar and often there are things related to women, whether is men or boys elections.

But um somehow that's how we got the name ma farm. From the beginning this land had a female energy. Not only IT was me starting, and my daughter is very involved in creating all this program.

So he was mom fun because he was a MaaS FM. Yes, but also the chickens, we're all female because we don't need a rooster with just selected for the eggs. So female bees, ninety percent of the bees female.

And then so many mothers came with their child children to show them, oh, this is the season of the carrots. This is the decision of spinage. Look at the flowers. And so he became naturally mather, and still, in its very, has a very feminine energy, we call IT mother nature.

You say mother nature, I say .

feminine instinct? No, right. Well, I I think so. You know, I I was wonder, I forgot if I read IT h somewhere doing new anthropology book, anthropologists, the study of men.

Yes, they are emphasizing the women role, for example, uh, they say, you know, when our ancestors took the vertical position, unfortunately, IT became very, very painful to give birth, because our hips had to be a smaller and the birth canal became more a different narrow. So IT was difficult to have a baby come out. And that's why it's so painful.

But this new women, anthropology said, yes, but that means that that could have evolved only if the worst collaboration alter's teamwork, because a woman needs another woman to help her deliver the baby, pull IT out of her, take care of the baby while she's recovering. There was already an enormous mortality, and they were all died. If there was an collaboration and altruism, fascinating, fascinating isn't IT. Yes, it's .

fascinating. It's fascinating.

This is how the new study of women point of view, they they don't look an anthropology like competition and who is strongest. And maybe was, of course, our cultural excuse, our studies excuse our questions. So now they are these women asking this question, one of the series that i've done as a director, you know, I make this short, funny films, Green.

which I love, by the way.

So every of my films are called Green corner, but actually they are called other things. But the first title was Green corner, and was so powerful, yes, that no matter what I do, they say he does in. So one of the Green series was called mamas, and he was about maternal instinct.

And that was a series of fantastic ideologist biologist women. They looked into meta nal instinct. We all think we know what IT is. But then when you really look into IT, he has never been studied from the .

scientist point of view. Oh my god.

right? And so they've done all these studies to see, is that true, that mothers are ready to die for their children. And the answers is more complicated.

Some mothers eat the babies. Some babies eat mothers. Anything 口水。

That's so funny. That's an amazing thing to consider a studying a maternal instinct. God, I to I have to think about that there .

is an incredible movement of women uh in size and that are asking different questions that were never asked before. But I think this idea that women mam's not female, but because they are sometimes male that take care, you know, the oil stage is the male that take care of the baby. The sea horse is the father that become pregnant. Yes, but I think in mammals, because we, uh, have to breastfeed our babies, we also look at them, we have an opportunity to observe them closely than the father, and we also become evolved to be more attentive to little indication to little things that are not viable. And then I think we are very good at farming or animal behavior, real studies .

that makes so much sense. Don't go anywhere. My conversation with isabela rosini continues after this quick break.

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from your memorial.

You had a childhood game used to play with your mom. You would ask each other which anal you would want to be in. Your mother said, SHE like to be a horse and you said, i'm afraid I would just be a sheep. I'd belong so strongly to a heard. Would you still say that?

Same answer is yes. I do. I think so. You know, I think that I have a sense of community. I mean that my farm is very contact to our community. Yeah, my children and my grandchildren live around us. My daughter went with you, studied to at the london school of economic, so he went to london to visit some friends. And when he said, you know, my mom has dinner with us every night and he lives in house next to us, they said, is is a problem because in, I think in the angle section world is in, is at night or something yes, I am a sheep.

You're a sheep. Are you going to see yourself aging in place on your farm and being here? How divine .

yes I speak to so many friends who say, you know, i'm concerned about what am I going to do when i'm old um who's going to take care of me? How am I going to make IT and yes, I have no problem. I mean we cha just real me in front of a school and take me to passhe yeah I think it's gonna easy to take care of me when i'm going.

That's very nice. You're very lucky. So you had a great dad, Roberta rossini. He was obviously a legendary film director, but you described him as being a sea horse. You said that if he could have .

given birth to me and so that women can get pregnant, I want to breast with you. What can I do? IT IT was, um I remember once, uh, he was doing an interview and he asked me to sit and wait until the interview was over in hotel lobby and the the journalist ask him, what kind of a father are you and he said i'm a jewish .

mother that's adorable and he was a jewish mother in .

the stereotype of a jewish mother yes, he would have liked very much to out to be pregnant and give birth, embrace.

feed us and so um was he like your primary source? Do you think of emotional support when you are Young?

Both my father and my mother and my father, when I became a teenager, became a very alien father, very jealous, very worried tec about my vy and a boyfriend they know went not so when I was a teenager I became closer to my mom. But when I was little, I think I have a more around. My dad who loves animal, was very adventurous. I think I continue to of my life very closely to how my father um lived life .

IT sounds like even though he was protective of view and maybe defensive view when you became a teenager or a Young woman, IT sounds like he was very supportive of you as a woman. Is that correct?

I think so. I think you know, I don't know. I I lost my dad when I was twenty five years old, but I think he would love my great porno and my work at the farm.

But he would be uncomfortable with me as an actress. Oh, really yes. I think he was very worried that acting was a um you have to be chosen. You always have to pleased and therefore you are not you could be easily put in a role that IT is not active but reactive, I say. And I think that's that's what you feel probably .

he envisioned you having more control over your life, perhaps?

Exactly, exactly. yes. And I did I did i've control of in my life. But I think when I I became an actress after he died, because I don't want to be yelled that well.

it's funny you say that because I see that you said that after the death of your doud, you said if I were to divide my life into before Price and after IT would be june third thousand nine hundred and seventy seven yeah when he passed away and I lost my data yeah I was eight years ago is interesting how the ground shifts doesn't IT when you .

lose a parent? Incredible, incredible.

Can you talk about that shift and how you recover .

exactly the ground shift or the ground collapsed? yeah. I felt that when I had my parents, that there was an anchor, that there was a continuity in the past, and I can just be in the future. And all of a sudden, when I didn't have them, and they died four years apart, that was this void in my back. And I, you know, and I felt very precarious, very untethered.

Ah yes.

yes, very IT was right. I got scared to live life without them. I was living life. I mean, I was twenty five, my maddie when I was thirty um but still I think not having them left a very big void also, I mean I wonder know my father, my father and mother were exceptional people. So I believe that everybody misses their parents but sometimes I wonder if I have missed and more also because they were exceptional human beings yeah .

and also people knew them. They're known. So it's a stress. It's that's a adds another layer to this that maybe is complicated or maybe it's comforting may .

be maybe a layer to remember that course, I think of them and everyday I wonder if I think of them everyday because of my love to my parents or because i'm reminded because you know, when I give an interview, they ask me about my parents or running to people .

so I don't know yeah speaking of fame, you said when you were little, you didn't really understand your mom's fame and there's such an interesting idea to consider because when my kids were little and and I was having some fame H I know they didn't understand that when people would come over and say they needed to an autograph for something that I was, I was off putting IT was an intrusion.

So I remember when my son, yes, we were at the beach and my son was running up and down the beach and would go up to people, said, he said, bala selli is a my mom and you know what, the time I was a little so I got so embarrass, I call him I said, for Better, why did you say that? Said, animal, they seem to like IT. Then he was smile.

really that's the Larry when my son was really little um and at the time I was because I was on time felt and we were on a plot of magazine covers accepted so he was really sort of used to seeing me on the front page of something and we were go walking by we are walking by a bookstore and um the front um window of the bookstore had a bunch of books all about Margaret thatcher there were some book that had just come out about her life biography and was her face on the front and he looked into he goes, look, mummy, that's you. Any woman on the cover .

of any woman was you because so you're an actor. So you can never wait. You can change my daughter.

When he was also six or seven, maybe smaller, SHE went. They were teaching her to remember her last name and her address. Just in case he got lost.

SHE could tell a policeman, my name is electa widom, and this is my advance into policeman. So they were teaching all the children, remember your last name, remember your address. And then they were asked.

They were interrogating the children to see if they understood IT. So they went to my daughter and they said, OK electra, her name is electa electrica. You are lost at the airport.

What do you do? And SHE said, well, i'll sit under my mom's poster and he said, what would that do? SHE said them, you noticed in the streets in the airport photos of mama and daddies everywhere.

So if someone get lost, you just sit there. SHE had never understood what was my job. He thought he was. Photos voldemort's in this so you can get lost to go underneath that poster.

That is so dear, that is so adorable. Your mom wrote a bunch of diaries. Did you know .

SHE wrote A Y? Yes, he wrote a diary when he was Young. And then, I think when he became very known in a hollywood, yeah, SHE stopped riding IT because he was afraid somebody might steal IT and published or and so SHE stop stopped writing the diaries. But we do have her diaries from, you know, age twelve, fourteen, when her her father gave her a little book to keep a diary all the way till until he was maybe thirty six or thirty seven. Oh wow.

And so did you learn a lot about your mother reading these dies to you? So I couldn't .

read them because he wrote him in swedish, and I couldn't read swedish. But IT was really interesting because in in the first hairy opens by saying, my dad gave me this diary and am really happy to keep a record of when i'll be an actress and I will become very known. That's the first thing you wrote.

really.

I so I was, as I thought, this is extraordinary because we have all my mums archive is that to westly an university that has an incredible film archive?

Yes, my son there that um .

uh Jenny basis the .

great jacker with her is his teacher, the fantastic .

archival and film at preservation yeah yes. So it's there. And so jane had the the the diary translated, so we read the most interesting passages, but this was, was your opening.

And then a friend of mine gave me the answer. He said, oh, I hope, I think. But a lot of diary start like this.

Just your mother had happened. But a lot of people's, oh, I see, i'm going to make IT that makes sense. I thought, oh, my, my mom, look at this.

Oh, I see. But IT just so happens. He did. He did. Ah yes, of course.

So I know that um I wanted to talk about a time of your life because I thought this would be um interesting from sort of a well from a life experience point of view of the nineteen ninety, eighty two to eighty three. A lot happened for you if I am getting this correctly. Your mother passed away. You got divorce. You got your first vote cover and you had a daughter.

Yes, yeah, it's true. I never thought about that. Yeah, that happened all in between eighty two and eighty three being changed.

So wait a minute. How did you get through that period of time? Did you have some? Who did you look to for guidance? Was IT hard to have a baby not having your mother .

around so hard? Yes, no, I didn't have IT. Of course I ah yes, IT was hard. And that's why I tried to be not only very present with my children, had their baby march, I was offered to do a series, but that's where my third grandson was born.

And I said, no, my account was bizer SHE said, you're gonna so much money I said, yes, but more important to be here for my son and doubt you can be my grandmother later on. I said, no, the grandmother is the first day the baby is born. The first child, the first child is the hardest. Wasn't IT for youtube is such a so such A K.

it's a shock to have a person who you're responsible for and who takes precedence over you. exactly. There's an ego shift that is, shall we say, disarming, which is an understatement.

and and then that everything you do IT become so complicated, you know, oh, I forgot to buy them. Let me go out. You can go out. The baby sleeping there. No baby sitter, you cannot leave the baby alone, and everything becomes so difficult.

so difficult. It's a, it's a new way to frame your entire life. Is funny that you said that about your accountant and getting a job because I remember I was offered a job, uh, during the summer, and this is when I was gonna taking.

I only had one's child at the time, but they had this thing when they would start nursery school. They called its separations so you would bring your kids in nursery school, and then you would be there for the first two weeks. And so he becomes, finds his way, and then you slowly move out nursery school.

But I knew that if I took this job, I wouldn't miss that. I wouldn't be able to do IT. And so I didn't take the job. And I remember my agent said to me, this is the worst decision of your career.

yes. Yeah, well there, and I was told to say many times, but IT is the best, you know, because there are other jobs, they come and there is nothing. There is a quality of life.

And the quality of life comes not only with the jobs, comes also with the family and the relationships. Yeah I also think I don't know if you agree with me. I also think that all all of women of, I mean, i'm older than you, but and am wiser when you say why than me I say oh my goods going to say that .

he's White now you own IT you .

own IT is a but um I think that do you know my generation, your generation, Younger generation, we had career, we moved into, became producers, became director, you know feel that men dominated but the job is still organized according to this division whether is always a woman at home taking care of the family oh yes, that is the next step. I think that the feminine world has to enter into the world of jobs, um films, uh um everything. I mean, just look at the tax I can take as a tax break. If I go to lunch with you to discuss this interview, we .

can.

but it's a tax adom. You can take IT all of your taxes, yes, but if I have a babysitter, I can take her off of.

fascinating.

He continues to be a problem that has to be resolved somehow.

Well, we need more women in government. Let's start with that.

You know, dungan about women in government. I think that's how I got my job back at line.

Oh yes, talk about that. Please tell the story of the first stint at income, and then the second, and that evolution, because is an amazing story.

So I got this beautiful contract with, this is extraordinary cosmetic line line com. yes. And I worked for IT for fourteen years as the only model, an extremely successful. And in the beast of this enormous success, I got news that my contract was not going to be renewed, and I was very surprised.

But now that how many years were you under contract for forty.

fourteen years? And then I turned forty and forty one, and I will start really rumors. I know I should be, I will not renew my contracts.

So I asked to talk to the top guy at the time, and he's explained to me, gave me a rational. He said, women dreamed to remain Young. Advertisement is about to dream.

You are going to be forty two soon, and at forty two you cannot represent that dream. That's why we have to find somebody Younger where, you know very grateful for your work, were very gracious, but you are not gonna without anymore I asked. I mean, they had all the marketing tools.

Um you know so when I ask my friends, you like to stay Young? Nobody said yes. I said no, I want to be gant.

I want to be playful. I want to be sophisticated. I don't want to stay Young but sam said, oh yeah, be nice to stay all twenty three forever.

But IT was really a minority, but I didn't have the instrument they had. So twenty three years go by, and I received a call from a woman saying, I would like to hire you back. And I say, what about the dream of remaining Young forever? Because I twenty three years older.

Um can I come to paris? Can you pay my airplane to come to paris? Because I want to meet with you because I don't understand.

So I arrived. I was very anxious. I arrived at the restaurant before everybody else, and then I was waiting, and I will see a .

motor we met at. I hold something, why were you anxious?

And I was so lost, you know, twenty three years of, and how they want me back. I didn't understand. I said, if you want somebody older, because you want to fight ages, get Helen miron get metal trip if you get me back that story that was controversial because when they let me go, that was controversy.

Some women got very offended. It's going to come back. I don't know how to protect you from this story. What am I understand phrase?

Yes, yes, we insisted.

should be you. okay? So I said, well, I want to come and really flashed out understand IT.

And when I arrived at the restaurant earlier, I was sitting there waiting, and I see a motorcycle and a woman interest in black leather coming out of the motorcyle, taking the cause of blond hair flowing like ride bardo SHE came and he said, hello, my name is contra sly man. Am a new CEO of lankov. I said, said no more. And now I understand you are a woman and he said, yes, my intent is to uh be more inclusive yes, to define beauty, not as a certain age, a certain race, a certain weight, by trying to really give instrument to uh everybody to establish, to play, to be creative and that's how I define beauty and so I got back.

wow.

And i've been now with them for ten years.

Oh my god.

amazing.

It's an amazing story .

but I think that the sensibility that he had is that he understood that you can reach out to women that sometimes feel, uh discarded, feel that I have no voice because we all want to be elegant. We all want to be created. We are. I'm changing my makeup based on that principle.

Okay, explain that.

You know what? I've noticed that i've used my makeup as hiding my age. I would put things under my bags, under my eyes.

And I put A A little bit of rouge of my cheek and then I said, wait a second. I don't represent that. And I saw incredibly enough, at line com.

There is A A lovely man who uses makeup, but he doesn't use IT to look Younger. He doesn't use IT to look like a woman. He, he uses IT as a decoration.

IT uses as a creative expression. And I said, hungry to do your makeup, tell me, what do you using? And now I am putting a, uh, uh, a little orange under my eyebrows.

I always use very little makeup all my life. I mean, sometimes I use a lot of because i'm an actors or a model, yes, but in my real life I use little makeup. But now i'm using IT as a touch of color, uh, not as trying to be Younger or trying to hide something that I think is wrong, like a simple.

okay, but wait to and explain. So I just want to understand the a little bit of orange, a sort of on your eyelet underneath your eyebrow.

Yes, right under the eyebrow.

What is that orange? I don't understand that because i'm going to try this as soon as as soon as this process is over, i'm going to .

the bathroom to do so. Do you know that generally you put an airline er and then you put uh some color in your island and then in the right underneath the bone you put a little darker, so A A little you know shade so your eyes seem more deep like when you are Young and you don't have the I like drooping but if you do the makeup just a color and whether your eyebrow IT still looks like makeup and he looks interesting. IT looks a little bit in a little bit rebel and IT is a little bit rebel but a seventy two year old rebel, nothing to be afraid of yeah yeah yeah and and of course.

lipstick right lipa lipstick .

i've always used because, yeah, the makeup parties, all of them, they worked with the best. They all give the same answer. Just say, choose A, A, A feature in your face that you like about yourself and make IT bigger. And everybody said that I had good lips, so yes, I made just red lipstick.

Done, done. Okay, I love IT. So we're getting .

tidbits.

Is time for another break. There's much more wisdom from IsaBella sileni when we ve returned.

Were you aware of the power of your beauty when you were Younger and then you were not?

No, first of all, I was job. Then I had this, which is, you know, they took into the hospital. There was the forming department. Oh, wow.

wow.

Clear what I had. School is a very common, the four media of the spine only that mine was very severe. So in my life I had to have two major Operation. And i've seventeen voter brush at our screwed together. Um basically.

do you have pain in your back?

I do I I do have painting the back. I mean, I have strategy. So um I swim. I do exercise message is I have to have A A regime, yes, to keep me from being .

but is about that once you got got past that and you became a woman, and you were, of course, very beautiful, where you aware of your the power of your beauty then. And then can you talk about how, if you were aware of that power, how that power has evolved .

as you've gotten older? There was an element of great surprise. You know, I always felt that my father, as a model, was that I was a very good, complex with photographers, and he understood what they wanted, and he was almost like creating a character for films.

In fact, I didn't want to act because my mom was so famous in, I was intimidator as on, and my father didn't want me to be an actor. So when I became a model, IT was great because he was something that I was. I didn't realize that he was something that was that I grew up with.

I thought he was a complete different job and and then until Richard David on one day said to me, abela, the models are a little bit like silent movie star because i'm not photographing a beautiful, knows a beautiful mouth. I photograph emotion. You have to show me emotion, and that's why I photograph, and that's why you should be an actor.

Ss, he said, and you know, as a model, you always worried, you always think the thing would lost a couple of years. And then what do you do next? And so I was thinking, what do I do next? And he was evidence that encouraged me to be an actress.

And I tried. So you just have to add words. So I add IT words with an accent. Yes, there was a problem, but now no, IT is a problem. I'm working.

So is about a moving on to another topic. There was this really incredible interview where you mentioned that there hasn't been a piece of art that accurately reflects your sexual life in your sixties. And I would love to talk about the relationship with your body as you age you, your relationship to intimacy and sex.

小， i don't have sexuality. You know, I haven't had a boyfriend in twenty five years, but for a brief moment during code, how lucky I was. I didn't have a boyfriend for years. And then just before IT, as we were on the log down, I met a man who I liked a lot, then left yeah after coffee. So the cove locked down for me was .

fantastic IT IT was a sexual dalen .

of thanks. Um so how would happened? I I had my children and I adopted my son as a single mom because I was getting older.

And I I want, I come from a family of a lot of brothers and sister. So yes, I wanted my daughter to have that. And I was getting old that I didn't have a man then, or a man that I with who I wanted to have children.

And so I adopt that. My son Robert to and I still had boyfriend going out, but he was difficult to know and they never ended. You know, he started at five in the morning to get your children ready to school and then dinner and then and what you know and reading the story.

And then the boyfriend was another dinner, another then he wants to make club. Do they never end IT? So I was going to the therapies, and how do I handle this? You know, I get to up at five is still one o'clock.

I'm still doing something for somebody and SHE said, but have you've ever tried not to have a boyfriend? And I had not. I always had somebody, you know, like, if IT wasn't a boyfriend, still somebody went out trying to figure out if you could become a boyfriend. And all venture, you said try and since, as you know, I am very adventured, yes, that's i'm going to try to be single for six months.

I'd love that. That's an adventure that's good.

Yeah, he was let me try and never tried. IT was fantastic. So IT IT was fantastic. IT was so serene IT was no happened down you know I slept I was I could take care of my children without a worrying that um somebody else needed attention somebody .

else needed attention .

or that there was tension among them because when he's not the father, they don't like you so much. The boyfriend um so the six months became a year, two year, three years and then I thought, well, you know, IT IT happened and I spoke to other friends, oh yes, I haven't been married in three years oh, and so I never made the choice. But twenty five years went by without A A boyfriend but for that marry brief covin ed parenti. Luckily the wise, I would have been locked trap by myself.

But here's the thing, are you missing that now? Do you want to have another way, friend? You're happy to be back to .

being single I I think because I have a big community yes I um I don't need a man I mean, if I fall in love, yes otherwise I A lot of friend of mind's say, oh you know can come to dinner. I have somebody you could be a companion, but I don't need a companion. I I have plenty to your friends.

I have grandchildren. I've my community here in living in the village. IT does have to to be single IT PS IT helps to live in a farm because you have your part of a community in the city would be harder， because going to parties without a husband or a companion is the worse you are. You, I cannot enter a party by myself. I hate IT to go to.

what do you do? Do you take a friend with you?

Well, but they don't want to come because most of the time is boring or to my cheap or or you know red carpet. So they are shopping in corner waiting for me. And so you don't want to come.

You none of my family wants to come. And then sometimes are the friends who want to come. And so I don't go to parties, but I never really like them, so I don't miss them.

Um sometimes I miss the companies ship, you know. Oh, let's go see this movie together. Let you know coming out and discussing IT, but is not something so big, the missing that he would that would make me force together.

That requires change. So let's talk about reinvention actually, because, well, for example, your performance and death becomes her which which was so wonderful, really so wonderful. And we're talking, of course, about eternal youth in that movie.

And in your in your member, you wrote something so beautiful, which was, I may not like myself old, but I like myself ancient. Yes, and I think I know what that means to me. But what does that mean to you?

Well, you know, I can give an example come to mind, like, you know that you know, my neck, you know, I was just looking at my dog's neck. I like how much? I like IT.

And I look at my neck and I don't like IT, and I say, why don't I? Why do I like my dog's ring and I don't like my raincoat? Um but so getting old has this aspect but i'm ancient and I love IT.

I had a witness. I was born in ely after the war. There was no formula.

My mom was a three, eight, I think, when he had me and my twin sister. So SHE didn't have enough milk for two and I was raised by a weakness. So that's ancient. And I love things in me that are ancient that I can connect to yeah to something that existed in the past but long time ago, uh, and they don't don't exist anymore.

Hey, let's talk about having a twin sister. I have sisters in law or twins, although they're identical twins. And you are for internal twin. Do you do you feel like a psychic connection to your sister, to your twin sister?

We know what we don't like, psychic connection, but i'm definitely closer to her than my other seven brothers and sisters. Yes, we're say with big families, for some of them, I have brothers and have sister. There is a bond, but I also fought with her most to. So yeah, is the the most rounded, but also the most, fights。

Do you? Do you get to see her a lot.

a lot? Yes, yes. see. We see each other a lot. We almost become the phone every day.

Gosh is so lovely to have that connection with someone, a sister of a sibling. Um okay, is about A A going back to animal behavior. Now I can't remember exactly where I read this, but you were talking about something called cyp tic female choice. And I am so dying to hear more about this. Can you tell us about that.

right? Isn't that a fantastic name? Cyp tic. Female choices, again, is the point of view, may be of the masculine point of view that looked at the ship.

But this is a scientific term, is a scientific term.

Yes, they looked at courtship as a way, for example, I don't know birds dancing until the female um is ready circus exactly that. Look at the word you've used because we are so used to thinking that he's the male that does something spectacular and the .

female .

gives into IT yes crip tic female choice yes, is what the female might do to keep control. And not. So coming to a mail, for example, my chicken, you tell me if this is a fantastic, and i'm slightly envious of them.

If a rooster jumps on them and they don't want to be made IT, they can spit the firms out like we would spit out alive. Isn't that great? phenomenal. Ducks, ducks to have vagina like elaborate crazy.

This is already crazy.

They have a vagina like a laborious that has many canal. One canal leads to the eggs the others known. So the peens penetrates to female dog cypher, female choices.

SHE sends into a dead end because he has several canal. So SHE doesn't care. SHE lets the duck, he wants to be the father of the baby in the right canal. That leads to the eggs crip tic. Female choices, you don't give up power.

I mean, IT is too good. This is too good.

And those are all new studies that are come into the surface. And a lot of them, a lot of the great questions are asked by female scientist.

Cyp tic female choices might want to to be the title of a book you write. I think there is something to IT that is so spectacular. I mean, you could, yeah, yeah. I mean, chapter one could be choosing to be single as a critic for me?

absolutely.

okay. So couple quick short questions I asked. At the end I would have thrown atta. Is abela a is there something you're looking forward to?

Yes, I mean, life. You know, life is so interesting and full of interesting things. I just signed up for a course in our ethology to learn more about .

birds of fantastic. Is there something you would go back until yourself at twenty one?

Yes, via T. A film director earlier.

哦， when did you first become a film director? Fifty five.

yeah, should have early. And my film about animals, you know, yeah, I I think that I think they are good. They are fun. Yeah, I should have done in more of IT. I should have cutie ated that voice more well.

And I, I, yes.

you are. But but sometimes you need a lot of time. Get to a certain point.

Get to a .

certain point.

right? Is there something you wish you would spend less time on? Is about a in your life?

Yeah, that's a very good question. Well, maybe having boyfriends, Frankly, maybe I should have been single more frequently here and there. Just be with the one I really loved.

okay. Is there something that you would like me to know about aging?

Well, i'm not worried about you. I have the feeling that i'm not worried about. I say you laugh, laughter I mean, I mean laughter helps a lot.

Isn't IT haven't know? Yeah, I think he would find IT very wonderful. I find IT very wonderful people don't believe IT, but he really is wonderful.

Well, I mean, you know imaging and I have found that to be wonderful that far.

that far is really wonderful. Yeah, you only think that i'm a little worried is if I get sick with pain. Yes, I had pain with my back of severe pain occasionally, and that's very hard, but that is short of pain, everything else.

Sometimes I wondered if I could. I sometimes lost the ability to walk twice in my, in my life, and I had to get relearn. And he was scary. But, you know, he was also interesting. I had to say, what was .

interesting about IT was interesting .

to contact with other people that live like that, discovering the solution, discovering a whole community I think you know volunteer for the guide dog foundation and mostly we raised dog for um people there are can see and the people say how do you separate from the dog after you raise them but because you are part of a community and and that community is so clever and so full of life and so chAllenged and yet so capable, so strong, there an inspiration so my dog is my connection to them.

Ah that's beautify. I love that community, baby. It's, it's community and laughter.

Yes, community and laughter is a very good combination.

Yeah, he really is. He really is. Well, thank you so much for taking time. What a delightful conversation.

not. Are you going to talk to your mom? Yeah.

what should I say to her?

Say hi. Ask her if community and laughter has been her secret.

Okay, I will. She's ninety ty for her. Yeah, i'm going to ask her, yeah, i'm going to hang up with you and i'm going to call her on zoo m. And hopefully sh'll be able to turn the zoom on and will be good to go.

So SHE has problem with zoom. I have problem with zoom too.

Yeah, hoo doesn't. I know who doesn't. But anyway, thank you so much. Been to other delight. I would like to come and state your bed and breakfast.

Come anytime, anytime.

Okay, I think I might. And you can show me the bees and all of that. Absolutely okay. Well, lots of love and many thanks. Very generous.

Thank you so much.

Well, well, that was all just so mind blowing. I learned so much in this conversation with instability. I ve got to get my mom a on the zoom right, a way to tell her all about IT. Hi mummy, oh.

I love. So I just talk .

to isabela ruslan and first of all, he knows the podcast so SHE goes, are you going to call your mom now? And I said, yes and he goes, I will tell her I said, hi.

isn't that fun that people .

seem to love the little stuff? We say, yes.

Gosh, you're gonna love. Listening to this episode is she's such a delightful human being and so giggly, and she's got a lot of joy in her life.

We can't get too much that.

No, but he has a farm in long island SHE has a bed and breakfast that would be fun to go. And he has a lot of animals, uh, I mean, for real, that would be fun to do to spend a day a night there and look around the farm and figure things out. H, dear, I think i'm concocted an adventure. Mommy, I may have to take you away to go there.

I will do that. Oh my god.

And then maybe we can tour the farm. And he has a farmer who does incredible things there, and she's copt the sheep and the chicken. S oh, wait.

So this is when we tell you so there's a scientific term, and it's called cryptic female choices. And IT has to do with certain animals in the animal kingdom who, when they are made IT with, have the ability to control certain aspects of mating. For example, if a chicken is made by a rooster and doesn't like the rooster, the chickens vagina can spat out the sperm. Wow.

but, but is that a conscious thing? Or is that something that our body does? I sort of think, what is so easy to personify the animals that they'd like? Yes, but there's a wonderful braze in mira Oliver poem, you should love the soft animal of your body.

And whatever happens to openness up, to be further, to be whatever, I just wonder when they not that serve, happens with animals under certain circumstances. And they don't like, think I would like IT. I don't like IT. This is something that happens to them, to their bodies, to permit the opening.

It's funny you say that mary Oliver, quote, because he was talking about how he likes the soft wrinkles of her dog, who's old, but he doesn't like her neck. And SHE aims to like her, nick, the way he likes her dogs wrinkles. It's sort of the same idea.

How wonderful that .

he has found this. I know he said .

such a very interesting life. You know.

so many things were many were were open to her to do. And i'm sure that in some ways, you know, then SHE had such a youth of so much attention for her looks and for being who he was. But the fact that he was able to take that point, I was offered and be, i'm sure, so great forward, but then to find something that he could make, be herself, something that SHE already loved, but that he could then create A, A, A body out of.

it's fantastic. And by the way, this is not the only thing he does. She's also a director.

She's continues to act. She's in this movie that's conclave. So she's doing a lot of things.

But he wanted me to ask you if you agree with her, I think, which is the key SHE thinks to aging, I guess you might say happily, or aging. Well, as simplistic as the sounds is laughter and community. And i'm sure you agree with that.

absolutely.

And I think you've got both of those things going for your mommy.

don't you? I do. But unity is IT comes in ghost. You know, another, we all talk about communities so that we have a group that we think about, but IT has been nurtured.

Yes, IT has to be nurtured.

and that is laughter. But you will also have to look forward sometimes because it's not vertige of doorstep every morning, when that not to work, work, you just open the door.

Look at the morning.

That's the funniest thing i've ever ever seen.

Okay, okay for me. I think I think it's time for us to sign off.

Okay, well, sign off and and be, well.

you, my.

my.

okay. So I realized right after I had a hung up here on the zoom with my mom that I had missed an opportunity. So I got her back on the zoom. Hi mama H, I love I the reason that um I wanted to get you back consume was because after we had our our little conversation I thought, oh my god, I should have you read that mary Oliver a poem I think that would be so nice for everybody to hear.

Can you read IT? I'd be happy to read that. yes. And I am especially good pom for now.

Yeah, it's especially a good pm for now. So why did you go ahead and and read IT? And we can all just relax and listen .

to that while geese, you do not have to be good, you do not have to walk on your knees for a hundred miles through the desert repainting. You only have to let the soft animal of your body love what IT loves. Tell me about this, where yours and I will tell you mind.

Meanwhile, the world goes on on. Meanwhile, the sun and the clear pebble of the rain are moving across the landscapes, over the parents and the deep trees, the mountains and the rivers. Meanwhile, the wild geese high in the clean blue air are heading home again. Whoever you are, no matter how lonely the world offers itself to your imagination, calls to you like the wild geese, harsh and exciting, over and over, are now in your place, in the family of things.

Well.

that's a beauty. Yeah.

makes me cry.

I love you. I love 朋友啊 OK mom.

that was just um a complete tonic to hear IT read by you.

The thing that just kills me as is tell me about despair, yours in mind .

yeah yeah.

Is a good pom.

It's great. Good one. It's a good one.

okay? We will like to everybody and keep hard. Yes, and have a little fun if you can. Yep, loves you guys.

okay? Love you. mommy. Soft animal, my mommy.

Okay, love you, love you.

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