Nickocado Avocado SHOCKING Weight Loss + Daniel Preda Gets REAL | Just Trish Ep 112
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- Girl, please, you're still broke. You're still broke. And this is your first paying job. Like, get it together. - No, Escape the Night was wild. Is it true that YouTube said no to me? When we do our mukbangs and I look back, I'm like, he was completely like normal. So I'm like, I have to wonder, is that a character? Was he always trying to, was this his plan to be like? I just think when you do a dramatic transformation weight loss like that, it is shocking and it gets the views and the attention. And is that real? I thought Stonehenge was like a myth.

Hey, welcome back to the Just Trish podcast. You guys, stay our guest co-host. It's someone I've known for a very long time. Super sweet, super special. And we're already starting with the tierist, Daniel Prada. Hi. Oh my God, I'm so happy.

It's been, how long have we, I think we've known each other for like 10 years now. At least, at least, because you knew me when I was in that big creepy house, remember? I've known you through all the moments and the adventures and the chapters and the lore. Yeah, we've been, I think at least 2014. Yeah, 2014, because that's when I moved to LA 2014 and I got in a relationship that summer and then I kind of was thrown into like,

the world of YouTube. Yeah. The only person I knew on YouTube was Jenna Marbles. Oh my God. And you actually because you had like viral like moments. Did you know me? Yes. Oh, I didn't know. You did like, you did like parodies almost or just like, it was a character. I tried to do everything. Yeah. Back then I was like. You threw the spaghetti on the wall. Yeah. To see what sticks. To see what sticks. That's actually in my poetry book. We were just reading it the other day and I was like, oh, that was a line I put in there where I was like, I threw it to the wall and see what sticks. Like. You're writing a poetry book? I did write one. Oh, okay. Okay. I don't know if you sent me that one.

Did I send you books in the past? That would be embarrassing. I feel like you did, but you self-published a lot. I self-published all of my books, and they all were just poorly written. I never had any spell check. I was just like, what is it called? Editing. I never had any editing. Well, Gabby Hanna has some competition with the poetry. I did do the original poetry. No, actually, you know what? I'm going to copy her, actually. Maybe I did the poetry after. I did the books in 2013, but I think the poetry one was 2019. Yeah, it's been a long time. Shout out, Gabby, for being the original poet of YouTube. I mean, Henry Longworth's Wobfellow who? Like, we don't know. Gabby Hanna. She has good

if it's good. Tana just did a sound of one of Gabby's where it's like, I wish I could sleep, but I can't sleep with all the dead babies. And I was like, kind of eats. There's something there. Yeah, I know we have our history with her, but sometimes you can look and be like, yeah, there's something there. How are you? I love that you have to love her on today and not hate her. Well, hold on now. Okay. Now, hold on now. We have the hats.

So I can actually, you know what, today, I am a lover, but also I'm a part-time hater, so we can do the, I need to make sure the patch is centered, so tell me if it looks goofy. This is iconic. So I came up with this design. Is it, is it correct? I think it's centered. Let me see. Is it good? Yeah, that was perfect. Is it good? Wow, yeah, amazing. So I came up with this design because I'm like, I want to put out a hat that you can do both. Like, if you're a lover and a hater, I'm multifaceted, you're multifaceted. Mostly I'm a lover, but sometimes I have to pull out, you know, the quips and the

a little shade. You are, you don't even say you're a hater. I would say you have to be a little messy. Yeah, I don't like the word messy and you've said that about me in the past. I think I'm honest and I think now it's appropriate to be honest and like up front and almost like brutally honest. Right. But like what? I'm sorry.

five, ten years ago. That's what I'm saying. More that. More like... More that. Five, ten years ago, if you were this honest and upfront, like... Yeah. Especially my demographic was teens and kids. Yeah. They were nervous of me. They're like, oh, who's this person that's so, like, confident and, you know, out there? But you never think you were shady? No, I was definitely shady. We're all shady. I mean, like, yes, like, people... Shade is deserved most of the time. I was recently made aware of a... We don't want to get right into it, but the shady video...

I think Oscar brought up, and I had no idea, I've never seen the video, about the Christmas party, and you were alluding to people talking about it.

Talking about drama. And I was like, wait, what? I always, I will allude. I will allude to things. It wasn't alluding. People can take it whichever way they want to. But no, I mean, that was wild. Those were wild times. Was I banned from the Christmas party in 2019? You were never banned from the Christmas party. Just not invited. No, I think that was the last one we had. No, there was one the next year. 2019. You were not invited to 2019. No. It was like,

Was that a decision you guys made like we're definitely not inviting? That was a conscious decision. Me and Gabby both were. You and Gabby both. And it wasn't... Wow. It truly wasn't personal. It's just because there was...

there was so many other people invited and I'm like, I don't want drama to happen ever again because our Christmas parties, like my ex Joey and I, like we grew up and we didn't have like a super supportive family and we came out here at a young age and like we, we want to bring people together and our Christmas parties were just that. It was fun. It was like, who has Christmas parties like that anymore? Every single YouTuber was there because it was a community then and we just want to have a good time and like,

things get out of hand sometimes. And I will say 2018 was the most fun and that was like the peak. That was the peak? And maybe it led to our breakup. Who knows? When did you break up? 2020, but still. Okay. It was COVID too.

Oh, I see. So your last Christmas party was right before COVID, 2019. 2019, 2019. That was the one I don't think of. I think I had my own Christmas party that year. I think you did. And also, that was the time when TikTok was starting to rumble. And the community just wasn't really a thing anymore. People were traveling. So it was a small, more intimate party. It wasn't anything crazy.

Okay. Because I was like, oh, well, at least it was equally that we didn't get invited. Even though I didn't think the drama was between me and Gabby. It was between me and Laura and Manny. Yeah. Which, I think we're fine now. I think that they talked about me. It was silly. It was like, I mean, there was a cap on the gifts. From what I can recall, it was a $100 cap or maybe $300 and you came in with like a Balenciaga hoodie and an iPad. Yeah, I love that. You hated it. So, I mean, you were asking for it. Wait, really? I don't like to be asked

I don't know, don't you wanna be like have a one bougie thing like here you guys go. No, I do love it, I do love it. Or do you think it was drama? Why was it drama? No, there was no drama. I mean, it was a white elephant party. Nobody knew who they were taking from, it just was. Right. And then it was silly, it wasn't anything serious. I didn't think so either, but was it the following year JoJo brought like a Gucci something?

Or money. You know what? She brought a suitcase. And in my mind, I'm like, oh my God, JoJo Siwa brought her own suitcase. So I picked that gift thinking there's a million dollars cash in there. I'm like, so excited. Tell me why there was like a JoJo Siwa bow, a doll, all her merch. I'm like, I still have it in storage somewhere. I'm like, this is the worst gift I've ever seen. I can't even re-gift that. Oh, you have it. I have it. That should be so iconic right now. One day. You know what? Yeah. I should go into my storage unit and get it. JoJo's having her moment. So that's for sure. Well.

It's a moment. It's something for sure. Bless her heart. Everyone's talking about her. I think that's like kind of what trolls like, right? Like I loved it like when I was a troll back then. I think that's like the age you troll and you're excited for any attention and all attention. Also, I feel like she was kind of under a microscope. She still is but like she's like a fabricated product so I don't think anybody really knows her real genuine personality. So I'm looking forward to like in a year, two, three, maybe she does like a fully like

stripped album and like because she has chops she can act she can sing she can dance she's a choreographer she's an actress I'd like to see like the real maybe not JoJo I'd like to see is that her real name I don't know it's long it's something it's like Jocelyn something yeah the pop star Jocelyn yeah I think

so too i think it'd be like 10 years from now maybe when she's like 30 with her children she wants kids early so i think like once her kids are like four or five she's gonna do like a book she's gonna realize things i think then you see that do you know the real her like would you say you know the real i've only met her once when um there was a collab going on in the house and her mom was over it was very it was a tight ship she's very professional very cordial very kind on time prompt everything um and she was super sweet but i don't know like i've never

like what am I going to hang out with her like I'm a grown man you know what I mean yeah yeah that is the debate we talk about it was very in and out and I'm like oh this is like a production this is like a whole character yeah that's what I always wondered I'm like I wonder who like the real her is yeah but she was always always nice like I've never really never had any issues really I agree who's the messiest YouTuber I know you talked about Gabby Hanna and like we all know but like I've really like nothing but love and I wish her all the best yeah she's

Yeah, she seems like she's living her best life. Like, she's performing her songs. She found religion. She's living in somewhere that's not here, which some people can't handle. Yeah. You know, you have to have, like, a great home base. And if it's not family, it's good people around you. And a lot of people don't have that. Yeah. Who's the messiest? I don't know. I really don't have problems with anyone. It's just, like, I either like you or I don't from the moment I meet you. Like, I can sense, like, if you're, like, dark-skinned

you know, energy or if you're like fun and kind. Like I wasn't a YouTuber. A lot of people think I was a, I've been a YouTuber for 10 years. I started YouTube. Like I really only started breaking ground in YouTube maybe three to four years ago. That's wild to me too. Cause I always think of you as a YouTuber cause you did the music video. Yeah. But I was a, I was a producer and I was a writer and I did music

so much in the space and I was around like the world of it. I knew everyone. I still do but I was never a YouTuber. Like I was actually on Vine and Musical.ly and I had a Tumblr back in the day that was pretty big. Oh my gosh. I didn't know. But I went to college. I went to Northeastern University in Boston and I...

I came to LA and worked for HBO, worked for E. That's, I met Oscar and then started working at E and we worked together. So you met Oscar before you knew Joey? No, I met Oscar, I kind of like right around the time because Joey was close friends with Strawberry, you know Strawberry Girl? Yeah, of course. We talk about her all the time. Strawberry 17. Megan Camerino. Love. Iconic. She's iconic.

She's iconic. Yeah. I really want to do a reaction video to like her vlog. You need to have her on the pod. I would love. Yeah. They still promote her on like VidCon. I'm like, okay, just like killing it still. That's very crazy to me. YouTube doesn't really like update. They're kind of like, we know Jenna Marbles and StrawberriesMT. Yeah. Yeah. No, and then I met Oscar through her because he was her assistant. And we just hit it off from the moment we met.

He was an unpaid intern. Unpaid intern. Yeah, she had like 10 of them. He should sue. I don't know if she can pay the legal fees at this time, but he should definitely go back to her to make some money. That's what I said. I'm like, you really made those vlogs back then. She had a whole gaggle of unpaid interns. She had so many. Yeah, I remember when I first started dating Joey, I'm like, who are all these people in this house? Because he lived with Strawberry and her brother, and there were a bunch of like...

Yes. Minions running around. Literally. And did you know they had to hide in the closet when guests would come over? No, I didn't know that. Literally. Like, she's like, oh, there's YouTubers over. And so, like, I think maybe, I don't know who it was. Maybe even Colleen was one of them where, like, he said they all had to hide and, like, pretend like they weren't there. That tracks. That tracks. That tracks. But Oscar, I'm like, you're a superstar. And we hit it off as friends. And we were friends for such a long time from the beginning. I always knew that, too, when I met him. I was like, we would see him in the strawberry vlogs because we used to, like, watch them and just be like, oh, my God, these vlogs are so silly. But then I was like,

kind of eats in these vlogs so and we met at your christmas party in 2017 i know i'm gonna i was gonna say i'm like did i introduce you guys but before the christmas party um he was you for halloween once and he's like really do i know this i don't know if i know i don't know if you know this but he was like he got a he got a big hoodie because you love you love a comfy hoodie yes he got a hoodie and then he was like i need a prop of these um chicken fingers and i'm like oh my god i know the place where she goes because it's right it was in encino like when i lived there yes which closed they're all

Yeah, they're all closed. All the locations, you know. They had the best matzo ball soup ever. Oh, yeah. That was our spot. Yeah, so we got that, and I think he may have posted a picture or something. I do remember this story. Yeah, which is so crazy. That's why I was like, oh, my God. Yeah, we've known him for so long. He's a superstar. But I always thought that about you, too. And you were a producer. You were just telling me literally right before this, I did not know that you worked with Wendy Williams. I did, yeah. So when I went to Northeastern University for broadcast journalism and film with a minor in business,

And so we'd go to school for six months and then work for six months. So each year I had to do a new internship. So I'm like, I don't want to work for someone in tech or someone in Boston. Like I went to New York. I got on the Fung Wah bus, which is a $5 bus from Boston to New York. I waited outside her studio with a cover letter and

which it was very well written. I said, I want to be your intern. I want to be the first from Northeastern because she went to Northeastern University. So that was my tie-in. So I go in, the PA pulls me in. Wendy comes out, no wig, just like a wig cap on in a robe. She's like, Daniel, how you doing? Come inside. I got to interview her. She put me on the show. I got an A on my project. You were on the show? I was on the show. There's clips. We'll pull them. We'll pop them in right now. Yes, please. And the pictures and everything. I'm going to send this.

Daniel in the crowd from Northeastern University. Daniel, just right-- no, just-- Hi, Daniel. How you doing? How is he? Daniel, sit down and act right, or we'll throw you right out of here.

And I said Wendy I know this it's I've never really made a video about its lore I have a lot I've meant this is law I have lived many different lives So this is um It was just such a pivotal moment for me because I I went for something and that nobody else was doing nobody expected that was a possibility so

I said, if I get an A on this, can I be your intern? Can I apply to be your intern? And I got an A on it. And then I went back and I worked for her and I learned so much. She's so kind behind like this veil of like, you know, you're literally in her chair. We're both super fans of Wendy, of course. Yeah.

It was amazing. And it launched so much for me because at the time I was working in radio at Kiss FM in Boston and I wanted to work in radio. I wanted, you know, I was interviewing people. I got to interview Katy Perry at her concert. Like, same thing. Yeah, shout out to Katy. One, four, three. Yeah. We need to talk about that too. Oh, for sure. I know what I

get the smoothie I was like oh I thought because I thought about that before we were gonna do the crumble cookies for your thing I was like we should get the smoothie but you had gotten it like that day I was like oh my god aren't you on it because capital records reach out to me and they want to work together no way yes look at you this is why I've always gravitated to you I always gravitate towards people who are just those kind of people that are just like go get it I'm always like so and I don't even know this about you but this makes sense like to go to Wendy Williams at how old are you like 20 no I was 18 18 18 and a half maybe 19 it was my freshman year I was 18 on the set

What were you doing on the show? Literally at 5:00 AM waiting outside. I was a production assistant. So I got to learn the ins and outs of the industry. I worked in social media. I was like-- I had my finger on the pulse. Oh my god.

I just was like, wow, I'm doing this. I didn't think anything of it at the time, but like you need to go for those crazy things because you just don't know what's going to work out. Oh, I love that so much, especially at 18 too, because like it just takes so much like balls to do it. I was deranged. I'm like, oh no, I'm literally on the show. I'm a co-host. Wow. No, but you actually were on the show. You have to believe it because I wasn't always that person. You know, you just have to like believe and trust that the universe is going to bring things to you. Imagine what's possible when learning doesn't get in the way of life.

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if you put it out there. Oh my God. And when's the last time, when's the last time you worked on the show? Was it like a year you were there? No, I was there on and off because I did this, I did school for six months and then worked. So on and off for two years and then I worked for Conde Nast and I went in sort of like the publishing route and then after school I moved to LA to work for HBO. Oh my God.

Oh, my God. And then so when do you know you're here at HBO? When do you become like you said three to four years ago became an influencer? Yeah. Are you when do you like stop working like the mainstream media and then focus on I guess like Joey's career? Well, so I've always I wouldn't say influencer because at the time like influencer wasn't a thing. Right. I was just like me online. Like, you know, like I I kind of got I had like a little bit of a following, like maybe like 20,000 followers. But on Instagram that

At the time, that was a lot. And I was getting, like, brand deals and whatever. But I was working corporate. And then I got into a relationship. And then we started... We went right into it. We went right into Escape the Night Season 1. And that's when we started really working together. He started pulling me into videos. And I was, like, a talent with him. And then I produced the majority of his videos for many years. Like...

a camera in my face every single day. It was like something I could not get used to. Really? Because I like to like, I like private things, you know, like I want to have time with your partner and it was just like kind of stressful, you know? Oh man, I feel like that'd be like a dream to be like, I'm on camera every day. But to me, like my, my education is this, like a set. I'm really good as like a produced person. So I, it took me out of it and I'm like, okay, I have to produce myself. I have to like always be on camera.

And I didn't really know what to share. And I was like very nervous in the beginning. And then like our relationship blossomed and so did our connection and the videos. And like we amassed this like following together as well. Like we were an it couple for the queer YouTube community. Oh my God, it was everywhere and everything. And it was so much love in that relationship. And I like look back on it. I have the best memories. We had the best times. We traveled the world. We did book tours together. Mm-hmm.

Um, the show was such a pivotal moment in my life and we had a great time. Like it was awesome. We built a house together. Yeah.

And your houses were always so gorgeous. I was wondering that post breakup. I'm like, what if he can still like slay a design? Oh, yeah. I mean, I designed I designed my house here in the hills. And I also live part time in Montana. I moved there after my breakup during COVID. And I like a little cabin in the woods. It's cute. That's actually everything. But do you think Joey can keep up his interior without? I was there. I was there last week dropping off the dog because I actually leave to Italy tonight. Oh, my God. That's so. And I was like, girl.

what's going on in here? But also that's not my place anymore. So if you want to make it cozy for him, I mean, I'll send a candle like for our birthday or something, but like, no, he has great taste so he can do it. He's a, he's a big boy, you know, but he can hire me too. Cause like I have clients on the side too. Are you doing that?

I do it for like celebrity clients, like on the side just for fun because I was doing content during COVID. And I was like, I love home and I love design. And I'm like, I grew up poor. So I'm like, my mom knows, she taught me how to like push a dollar. Yeah. Paint, throw pillows, flowers, that whole thing, curtains. You're so good at it. And I love it. It was fun. And I love like making a home beautiful because I didn't really have a stable one growing up.

Yeah, and it's always cozy like everything because I had talked to you most we like run out of time around Christmas time and I was like I remember asking ask her last year. I'm like do you think Danny would come like do because you do like a tinsel tree? Yeah, like this is iconic. I love it so much. I would have to be here. You'd be sleeping. I'd be I'd be working on the tinsel tree overnight. That took me seven hours to do that, but it went viral. Would you take me on as a client? Absolutely. Because that'd be so fun because we always want to do like an epic craft.

Christmas card and stuff and we just get like so busy. If you want to do like an epic huge Christmas tree I'm always down. Okay let's do it for sure. But yeah you were saying too because also Daniel brought like this like amazing spread. Not only did you bring crumble for our TikTok after but then you brought these donut what were they called? They were called. They're called Kettle Glaze. They're in the hills. They're the most iconic small business. Fresh. I was there at 7 in the morning right when they open up and I'm like give me the best that Trisha will love. Oh my god that was so great. And then you had like this. It literally felt like I

I was a guest on Wendy Williams. There's a gift basket of candles and lavender from your garden. And you said, everything you have is so homey, so cozy. And you're like, it's because I grew up, which I think a lot of people don't know either, is your upbringing. We came here from Romania. My family's from Romania. And I'm

also Italian and we didn't have anything growing up like we were new to America and you know I was the one who had to learn how everything worked like in a home and my mom was working she was a nurse she worked overnight and I just wanted to like make the house home and that's what I did at an early age yeah at an early age we didn't really have a lot so yeah where do you think you get your like drive from like going to Wendy Williams at 18 or like anything that you do delusion I love

I love that. Just full delusion. Because like there's like at the time I was like nobody's doing this. I want to do something fun. Yeah. Like let me go to New York. Being in New York at a young age, you've been there. It's fabulous. It's like the most incredible city. But scary at 18. Terrifying. Yeah. Terrifying. But I was like I was in the club till 2 a.m. making out with Adam Lambert. Wait. Oh.

We have such an Adam Lambert connection. I know. Everyone that comes through here has an Adam Lambert connection. I'm obsessed with Adam Lambert, but everyone just casually knows him. I think at the time, I made out with him fully. There's a picture, actually, we used the picture for Hot Topics because they needed a picture. You know when she did the fan out segments when fans would send in pictures? She's like, you guys, we need another picture because we only have three. And I'm like, here, take this. It's from last year. Oh.

What did you say about it? I was like, yeah, we met. We hung out. We danced. We made out. And then that was it. He was so sweet. Oh, my. Have you kept in touch with him at all? Because he's like. I haven't heard from him since. He's in the circle, though. Like, everyone out there knows him. No, I didn't have a number. I didn't have anything. I was literally brand new to the city. And it was probably one of the first boys I've ever made out with. And I'm like. Oh, my. Good.

It's good for the book one day. Oh my, yes. And you're doing a book, but you're not doing a memoir yet. No, I haven't lived enough to do a memoir. Oh. I feel like you could. Well, Joey had a, no, Joey didn't do a memoir. He was the only one that didn't do a memoir. No, he did do a memoir. Did he? He did do a memoir. What was his called? But also, he has like, he has lore to him. Like, he has like,

he comes from a troubled home and he's overcame so much and he's worked so hard. I feel like he never gets like deep into his lore. Like, you know what I mean? Like no one ever. I think he's, um, he lives in like a fantasy world. Like he loves to create the worlds. And like, I think that's his like barrier. I think he's more interested in that than talking about his own.

Which is so crazy because you could help like so many people talking about your own. But I get it if it's like traumatizing. But he has about like his mom who has been through her issues with addiction and my father was an addict as well. So I think it is important because I love sharing that story because there's so many. I remember like when we were kids, there weren't a lot of people like us and we couldn't relate to a lot of people. So I would love to share my story one day, but this is totally different. Are you 30 now? Are you? 31. 31.

Oh, you are? Is Joey in his 30s? He's 32. That's wild to me because I always think of you guys as like so young even though I'm like only five years older. I just always remember you guys like feeling so young. You know what I mean? That's like wild. No, it's so weird when like the five years like is so big when you're younger and then when you catch up you're like, oh, okay. Oh my God. Wait, so you are kind

You are kind of a hot topic. You've been a hot topic this summer. What do you think now when people like talk about you? Because you're out there, but you're not out there. Like you're not involved in like the drama. But then when you become a hot topic, are you like nervous? Are you like, oh my God, like, or are you like living for it? A little bit, but like, it's all, it's nothing serious. Like with everything going on in the world, I'm like me calling somebody boring is like silly. And like, let the gays battle for, it was 20 seconds. Were you not entertained? I loved it. He actually, he came for me too. I think on like 2021, I was like, what, where?

Connor Franton. Then he's like, I'm right here. Like, relax. Like, he kind of like. I mean, listen, he got a hit TikTok. He, you know, the sky is blue. I'll always stand by everything I said. And he got me. I got him. Poof. I DM'd him. It was over in 24 hours. It's not serious. I feel like boring is not really a bad thing. I call myself boring. I call my best friends boring. I do too. I live a boring life. And I said, like, boring. People always come to me because I'm like, oh, I think boring. What is it? It's not boring that I'm saying. It's like, what is it? Drama free. Drama free. Yeah. Right. But I think like.

Boring's not bad. To me, I call my life boring, but I, like, love it. I don't think it's bad. Is that what happened then? You were just, like, keep boring. Honestly, and also, that was the past. I don't know who he is. We've never, like, really hung out. Really? It was a passing kind of comment, and it was also, like, from a place in the past from insecurity. You know, I was in a new relationship. I didn't know any of these YouTuber people. And I was like, oh, like, are you guys friends or more? Like, you know, it was silly. We were kids, and it's...

not that especially that era there was such like a rise of like really hot gay boys and they're all around the house i'm like okay you out you out wait really no no i'm in my mind you felt like yeah anyone would feel insecure it's a new relationship and also you know i was around somebody who's a superstar yeah and i didn't really know how to like handle it like especially because you know a lot of youtubers when they come over to collab like they're not

friendly they're not real they're there for business like a few of them are like you kiki and everything but like yeah I wasn't a youtuber so there was nothing to gain from me I was just like this random dude in the house that like but for me when I enter a house like hi how are you yeah like nice to meet you where you from what do you do like tell me about yourself but

But I don't think a lot of people have those social skills when they've achieved success at a young age. Especially like influencers, I feel. Like you said, they kind of don't know like the proper like protocol and like how to be just. Yeah. And you just treat people how you want to be treated, right? But you, yeah, that's true. I also feel like because you work so many mainstream jobs, like a lot of influencers don't do that. They just go straight to like YouTube. Absolutely. You know. And I was a,

I was a PA for HBO. I worked on set for like 16 hours. I worked for talk shows. I, and I loved it. It's such a group effort, but you learn how to treat people. That's why working with a crew, so important. I will say hi. I want to know what's going on. Are you okay? Are you fed? Do you have water? Like, is everything, the temperature good? Yeah. I think that's maybe why your escape the night drama like you guys have had, like, I think maybe comes into play because a lot of people just don't know how to be on a set because that was pretty produced, right? You guys had budget. You were getting-

$6 or $7 million show. We had a crew of over 150. For one season? For one season. I think for the later seasons, the earlier ones we had a smaller budget. Maybe it was a little less than, maybe it was like four. But either way. It was produced, yeah, it was like budget. This is a mainstream production company. This is not like, YouTube has nothing to do with it. All they have to do is sign the check. We have the production company, then Joey has his production company. Wow. We hired out and then we did direct offers to talent. But I also didn't have a budget to have my own assistant. So I was running, and I love to work.

Like, I am... I will do anything. If the floor needs to be mopped, I'll do it. If I need to be on set, I'll do it. Just because, like, I like...

I like to like help when I can you know but you need you can't be in like so many places at one time no and I needed an assistant I didn't and I think that's where a lot of the issues came from so I was dealing with talent while also being a talent and being a producer yeah that was a lot oh yeah you definitely should have to deal with like tantrums yourself or anything I mean I've dealt with everybody and I handled it and I squashed it but there's just the one issue that really like I even had issues with Tana when she was on season two yeah she was a

nightmare well she was really young too right she was and guess what like when she came back season four i'm like girl you are amazing on time professional great attitude she was a kid she was new to fame and then she was around all these high school bullies yeah you know right right right it was a lot it was probably a lot for her too but she's a good i always knew she was a sweetheart and a good person i've always said that about tana like literally like as long as i've known her too always just been like a good person because she also comes from like a background off

background obviously. And I think those people like you said they like yearn for community and like that kind of and I think she's always been and she's always been so nice like that is one person that's been consistently nice. So nice and always like will talk to anyone is like she loves to laugh she loves to have a good time. She's a good time girl. I was thinking about Joey too. I always said I remember like it was like four years ago and I remember saying I was in a video with Colleen and I was like you and Joey are like the only I'm probably back ones of YouTube like it's crazy. And I was like literally a year later not even a year later and I was just like wow

Whoa. Joey's the biggest sweetheart I've ever met. Yeah. And he's the best. He seems like it. I mean, I've never gotten to know him personally. He doesn't get deep. Yeah, yeah. But maybe that's good. I think he can, but what you see is what you get with him. And that's okay. Yeah. Some people are deeper than others. It is what it is. No, Escape the Night was wild. Is it true that YouTube said no to me? So, yeah, they said no to you four times. Oh.

But guess what? Joey and myself and Adam, the showrunner, always rode for you hard. Because just like Tana, I've known you're a sweetheart. I know you have a great heart throughout literally everything. And I've always been on the sidelines cheering you on. And we rode for you every single season. Isn't that crazy? Because I just feel like...

Shane was way more problematic than me and he's on the show. Like, I just feel like there was way more problematic people. It's a weird dynamic also, I think, with women and YouTube. Like, there aren't a lot of, like, heavy hitters, heavy hitting females that are, like, have their own shows. Like, of course, there's, like, the Liza Koshy and whatnot. But it's mostly a male-dominated app. I mean, you know. Yeah. It's, like, very apparent now we see with, like, Mr. Beast and Royce Gray. Like, it's very, like, and it always has been. It always has been. And it's, like, interesting. But you've always. Aw.

You've always been a part of it. And I know if there's anything in the future, Joey would love to have you. I'm no longer working on that. I pulled out. Really? Yeah, just because I have my own stuff going on. It was a great chapter and it's all great in his hands. Like his mind is so, he's so creative. So whatever he does next is going to be great. But are you going to, do you ever go back to TV at all or like mainstream production or just? TV, but as a talent. So I have a couple upcoming things, which are really cool. On TV? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh my God. It's not like I was up for a show with Paramount that got pulled. It was called Finding Prince Charming. What is it? It was a show on Logo 10 years ago and then Paramount was going to reboot it. Yes. But you know that show Best Friends of WeHo? Yeah. It did...

it did so poorly and got canceled, which is sad, but I think they needed the right dynamic. It wasn't it? No, it was not a real friend group. You need a real queer friend group and for it to be inclusive and like drag Queens, you need like everybody, you need every color under the sun, like make it like feel like a community. But no, yeah, it was a show called finding Prince charming. Um,

And they, I'm like, oh, I don't really want to be a talent on a show. Like, I'm not looking for love in that capacity. It was like the reality bachelor. It was reality, yeah. Yeah. But they're like, no, we want you to be the prince. And I'm like, am I relevant enough to be the prince? I don't, like, I've never considered myself. For sure. I always do my thing. I don't care about relevancy. Yeah. What I care about is bookability, working, and the bag. Like, I'm a good person. Always want the bag. I don't need to, because when you're at the tippity top. Oh, no. Girl, where are you going? Everybody, yeah, everybody.

I would rather go like this and build something like lifelong. Just kind of stay under the radar, middle of the radar, you know? Yeah, I agree. Well, yes. Oh my gosh. So that just didn't happen after that show? It's still kind of in the works, but it's not really where I'm at right now. And then I'm just like focusing on my own stuff right now. Would you ever do like acting? Yeah. I mean, I thought I was going to do that when I came to LA. Like I went to Stella Adler. Like I auditioned for so many CW projects and I was very, very close to a massive show. Um,

Can you say which one or no? I don't want to. I want to stay in good graces with them. We'll bleep it. What was it? Yeah. Blue.

bleep it because i just i can't wait why you think of like no i i want to work i don't want them to like yeah who was it did you do you watch tiktok are you a tiktoker yeah i mean i have a tiktok series yeah all right that's right i didn't ever want to hear why didn't you like scroll you know some people i scroll i i do them scroll because you don't really do trends you really do i guess you do you do like tasting airwands occasionally but like i made i kind of carved my own lane and like i like that just have you just like you yeah like you do your own thing and like i'll

participate in a trend but I feel like to really like concrete and put your name in cement like you need to like have your own original content right but you don't get like involved in the TikTok drama you know no I see it oh I see it but you don't comment I love it you don't comment you used to comment on everything and I feel like now well everything changed when I deleted Twitter and I deleted at the right time because it was it was when Elon took over and it was becoming super homophobic

Oh, really? It was like, like the comments were, I think they may be pushed to a different audience now. I'm not sure. Yeah, I think gay Twitter is like popping right now. Well, X is just like a dark place and it's like, it's worse than what Twitter used to be in my opinion. So I just like, I'm like, I don't need this other app. Like, I don't even care. You deleted it. I think I had like half a million followers or something. I'm like, I don't care. Oh my God, you deleted, why didn't you just like. I'm not making money from it. I was going to, now I regret like just not.

deactivating it but like I'm like I don't make money on here I don't care you can monetize it now I know and then get ads and all the stuff like that I see Rosanna always have like an ad on hers honey she's working she's working I know Twitter she's making the bag for sure escape the night I always had a little chip on my shoulder because I was like wow I'm actually friends with these people and

have more followers than most of these people. And I always felt a little slighted. But if I got on Traders, an Emmy award winning show, done. Sorry, Escape the Night. It's going to happen. It'll be shooting the same time as Escape the Night movie. I'll be like, sorry, Traders asked me. I'm busy right now. My Emmy award winning season, yeah. No, it's going to happen. And if I had anything to do with YouTube, you would have been on season one. Oh my gosh, thank you. Was it season one? Because I remember season one, Shane was on. And I was just like, oh wow, that's crazy. Or Drew Monson too. He never, I remember.

Remember he said he never was asked. And I was like, how? You know, that's one thing that they were very particular about. We gave a list of names always and who we want. Of course we want our friends to be on the show. But they were sticklers. It had to go through like a board of like 20 or 30 people of approvals. It was...

But like, I just don't get the logic because Drew was so popular at the time too. And I remember all the people on. I don't think there was logic. And also they were sticklers with numbers. Like I wanted to be on so badly as a guest. Oh, were you never on? No, I was never on. I always had like a, so I'm like, I love Alfred Hitchcock.

And I always wanted like a Hitchcockian role where like he's in a lot of his films like in the back of the bus. So I have bit parts in every single season. Oh, so you are on it. That you don't know. But you don't know it's me. I'm in full like one year I'm a caveman. One year I was in full drag. Like you don't know it's me. It's just like I'm just there and like acting and like being a character. And why wouldn't they let you be like a guest on it? Because they're like you don't have numbers and you're not relevant. I'm like, period. Yeah, you needed to have at least a million subscribers on YouTube. I remember season three when Nikita was...

we pushed for Nikita to be on and I didn't know why they didn't want her on because she was popping and she still is. They're like, she doesn't have a million subscribers. I'm like, you guys are, we need entertainers because you can have 10 million followers and subscribers, but honey, the well is dried. You're not working. You don't have a personality. And guess what? Some people may have a personality on YouTube and when they're vlogging, but when they're on a set, they don't know how to work. They don't know how to act. They don't know how to treat people. So I think you're the full package and you've come into your own and it's going to happen. Yeah. I feel like a

Escape the Night definitely had like just so many flops because I was like okay they're good on their own but yeah first kills right but then you show them in the show and you're kind of like they're not yeah because they're not actors and you have to have a imagination and talent in an acting capacity yeah

Yeah, it was very interesting. But it is true because my main channel has 5 million subscribers and averages about 30,000 views a video. This one doesn't even have a million. We have 600,000 subscribers, but averages half a million a video. So it really doesn't make sense when people say that. No, numbers, followers don't matter anymore. It's who you are and what you bring. Are you talking to Nikita now? I haven't talked to her in a minute. I know she's kind of doing her thing. She kind of stepped out of the light. I think she's coming back. Yeah.

Oh. Her and Joey were just at something. Like he was. I did see that. Where was that? Like in front of her billboard or something? I think she had a, not a premiere. Skincare? She had an opening for something that she's maybe the face of. Yeah. But I was in Montana and I know I couldn't make it. Would you have gone? Yeah, of course. I love her. I've never met her. I would like to meet her. She's sweet. But also I know the Nikita in sweatpants, no wig, like no makeup. Really? Like we're just getting takeout playing video games, hanging out. Oh my gosh.

And she's a sweetheart. But she's a demon when she's in, no, was, not anymore. Right, right, right. But we traveled to Japan. Oh my gosh, I was there with her for two weeks. She came with Joey and I. It was a nightmare. Every single thing was a production. I had to take all her pictures. She never took a picture of me. But I got her together at the end. Wait, really? Oh yeah, at the end of the trip, I'm like, girl, offer to take a picture of me because I look gorgeous. Oh my God. And she did the wigs, the makeup, the dress. It was just a lot. What year is this?

I think it was 2018. I think it was the year of everything. Like we were literally at a temple in the Japanese mountains. She was in a completely different attire. It was like a Buddhist monk colors, like orange and brown hoops, like hoops are on her neck. She went to a temple that's like thousands of years old and took the thing and banged a gong.

Oh my gosh. Oh, she brought, did she bring the gong or was there? No, the gong was there. The gong was, but like only monks do that who have lived there for thousands of years. I wouldn't have known if I would have done it. All the monks came running out. They were like, were they mad? Of course, they chased her out. But they should have a sign that says do not bong. I mean, billabong. I mean, I think it's just common courtesy to not bang like a thousand year old gong. Really? I feel like.

like that's like calling your name. No, because it was like in the garden of the temple. It wasn't like at the road, like here, like passersby. And how did you guys get back there? Was it for tourists? We were staying next door. So we were taking a walk through these like ancient gardens with all these graves where all the, it's beautiful. There's fog on the ground. It's like, it's fantastic. But I'm like, this is crazy. But that was a crazy time. Yeah. And I don't think, you know, she's always been a sweetheart. So I think she'll come back and she

I think she's figured herself out. Yeah, it seems like it. I think she had, I know, I would be, her book would be so interesting, right? Because of all the spots, she was up and then down and then this and we saw it so publicly, like the meltdowns and all that stuff like that. And it is sad. I think it's so sad. I always say this because obviously I've had meltdowns too and it's like to see that is like always a little sad. Like,

Gabby. Of course. Even after, I mean, look, you can always, like, someone could be, like, this bad person, right? Or, like, you know, or even just doing bad decisions. But at the same time, to see a public, someone, like, spiraling in public is, like, really sad. It's scary to see because, like, you really can't do anything about it if you're not in, like, in the inner circle or apparent. Well, that's why I was wondering with, like, Nikita, like, do you reach out to her and you're like, are you okay? No, I've always reached out. We're just, like...

You know, I've always reached out. I mean, years ago I gave her my recommendation. I had an amazing therapist at the time and she was asking me about mental health and medication because there was a time in my life where I needed that. And then, you know, some people it's forever, some people it's not. For me, I was able to wean off of it. Yeah. And...

I think that really helped. So I've always like rooted for her and always like been a solid friend, even behind the scenes. But you just couldn't at that time. No, it was just like, I stepped away from a lot of people in my life. You know, it just like, especially after my breakup, I was just like,

okay, I need to take a beat and I need to see who's here for me and who's like loving me unconditionally and being an unconditional friend not just because of the relationship I'm in or, you know, if I can get you on a show or something like that. But do you think people maybe felt like they had to pick a side? Like if you know Joey first? No, it was never like that because I was the glue that kept everything together. Really? In all those friendships because like I'm the one who has the dinners, the holiday parties, like that's my love language, you know? And there was so much love there. Like I spent so much time loving somebody. Why would we end this in hate?

Right. So I guess when that happens. I don't know because I think on the outside, you know, people wouldn't know. Like I wouldn't know you guys were as close as you were until this year when you did that little spill your guts. And I was like, oh, they still like talk. Yeah. And that's like a cute little private moment that we have, which is nice. Yeah. That's cute. I love that. Yeah. What other show, like Dancing with the Stars that's coming back? Would you be on that one? I love dancing. Wait, have you been on Dancing with the Stars? No. I guess I'm getting the boot from everything. I feel like honestly, when I heard the Escape the Night lore of YouTube saying no, I have a feeling people pitch me, but they're like,

I mean, Harry Jowsey was on. The thing is, your power is stronger than YouTube and networks see that now. But five, 10 years ago, they didn't see that. They didn't take any. I remember when I was at NBC, they didn't take any of my ideas seriously because it's like these old straight executives that were like, what's Snapchat? Oh,

Like, what's YouTube? Like, what? That's so true. Can I tell you now? I really do feel like, and not just me, but, like, a lot of people may be, like, ahead of my time, right? Because it's, like, now all the people that are 10 years younger than me are coming into these positions of power, and they, like, get it. They're like, Trisha, you know? But I think when I was in my 20s, like you said, it was all these old white straight men that, like, didn't get it. And they're like, oh, she's, like, a little chubby, or she's, like, not cute, or what? She's YouTube. She eats. What is that? But I think now is, like, this whole different time where people, so hopefully they see it. But Anna Delvey on Dancing with the Stars, yeah.

I love. Oh, you love? No, no. I don't know anything about her. Like, I know the documentary and everything. I don't love her. I don't know her like that. But like, I love the vision, the marketing of this girl with an ankle monitoring bracelet because it gives me like very Lindsay Lohan, like early 2000s. Yeah. And I'm like, that's kind of fierce because they would never do that. Yeah, it is.

kind of wild that they like market it that way because I also think they're like mark it's like Disney they're trying to be like family friendly but then it's like oh but they're also they're playing on it they know what what is gonna get bites on social media but have you seen her clips or interviews or anything of her talking I've seen a couple of them yeah like her with her partner Ezra who's his first season as a pro and she's basically just like they're like why are you here and she's like I don't know I was like talked into it she was maybe I'll quit like she's like just so doesn't want to be there oh I hate that and that's what I'm saying that's what I kind of hate and her partner's like well you better show up to rehearsal because she's like I

I was talked into being here. Girl, please. You're still broke. You're still broke. And this is your first paying job. Like, get it together. I wonder how much they pay. I heard $150,000 at one point for, like, the full season. I could see that. But also, like, you're on a set. That's an amazing opportunity. You better be respectful and thankful that you're there. No, she's, like, over it. Like, I don't know if it's, like, her character or her shtick she's playing into. She'll be out then. She'll be out. You think? 100%. That's the only one people are talking about. Do you know anyone else on this new season? No. I'm trying to think.

No. Because I know it's an Adele, I guess the two, like a Bachelor and a Bachelorette is on. Once I saw Jamie Lynn Spears on it, I'm like, girl. Oh gosh. What's going on? She was on Special Forces. She's been making the rounds. I don't know if she's like a cheaper option, if they're not paying her as much, but I'm like, it's not entertaining. It's not good. And also, Team Britney forever. Team Britney forever. Did you see Jamie Lynn? I think it was like on

I'm a celebrity, get me out of here. It was like the Jungle one she was on. Was she crying? Yeah. Because of that? Yeah. And she was talking about Britney. But she was basically saying, I'm- Always has Britney in her mouth. Always. Always. Even though her intro was like, I'm a singer and an actress. I was like, okay, no, you're literally Britney Spears. Yeah. But that Sam Asghari too, his little caption, you know, of what they do, it says, it says, actor. Oh,

I was like, really? He was trying... The thing is, I saw what he was doing with his team when he was in the relationship. Really? He was going to acting classes. I remember I bumped into... You know who I bumped into in an acting class? Him and also Mariah Carey's ex at an acting class years ago. Brian, the dancer? Brian Tanaka. Sweetheart. Oh, I thought they were still together. I'm like, no, they're not together. I'm like, why are you in the back of the class? Aren't you with Mariah Carey? I'm like, you guys are trying to be actors. So, like, if the relationship ends, you can move in. Maybe it's their passion. Who knows? But I'm like...

No. That's so sad, though. Team Brittany always death to all of them. She was so on for that one, too. Wendy was... I know. I know. I feel...

Britney's supposed to be making a comeback. She's supposed to be in the new Josephine Metenacolor Dreamcoat musical as the narrator. And it's with John Chu. And supposedly she like tweeted that she was going to be in it. They're making a movie. She tweets so much. Like that never happens though. But I feel like she will. I feel like she will make a comeback. And I think like in movie form would be a good one. Because she is a good singer. Yeah. And as long as the check is correct, I feel like she would do it on her own terms and what she wants to. But I like Britney's my number one.

always I love I love Britney Mariah I love like pop that makes me happy and like I don't have to I mean it's thought you don't have to think too much about it but like there are deep lyrics in some of the tracks but I'm like I will she's my number one first concert I ever went to um and I adore her it was her first tour I was seven years old it was like her baby it was a baby one more time tour no not the mall tour okay her first big tour I was seven is she opening or is she headlining this tour she was um opening her tour was it for NSYNC

No, it was the Baby One More Time tour. Oh, it's her headline tour. Yeah, it's her tour. Okay, okay. Because I saw her, I think, when she opened for NSYNC, but I forgot what tour it was. Okay, I went to that. I went to Circus. I went to Femme Fatale. I went to... Did you go to Onyx Hotel? No. That was a good one. Because I think it got canceled in Miami, like after they were supposed to come to Boston or something. Oh, I see. I'm not sure. But then I got to meet her in Vegas. Her... God, I don't know.

Regrets, but like... Wait, why? Because it was like, you know, it was the conservatorship, but I didn't know. Yeah, same, same. However, when I got to meet her for Peace of Me, and it was in the beginning when she had like the mermaid hair, it was so fun. Her team invited us out to go...

to the show and visit. It was the best night of my life and I got to say like, you're the first, you know, I met you when I was seven years old and this is such a moment and like. How was she? Sweet, but it was just like, it's quick meet and greets. Like that's type R. I didn't get, I didn't get one word from her, but I was fine. I, like you said, hindsight knowing and I knew it even at the time. Like I knew there was just like a lot going on and a lot happening.

even though you didn't really know. And then hearing about all the stuff after what she was going through at that time. Right. Because we went, me and Gigi went 2012 or something to piece of me. And they rushed through, rushed through. Yeah. Yeah, I think at first you're disappointed. It's like, I thought we'd be best friends, but that's the parasocial in me, right? Yeah, yeah. That thinks, and then you're like, okay, I kind of understand. She was going through so much. Yeah. So when she was dating, I think Charlie, I think she was dating. I loved them together. Yeah, they were kind of cute. The jean jacket. Yeah, I loved that joke. I loved him too. I know she likes to be in love, so I do hope she finds. Yeah.

kind of thought Sam was Engel with her like I kind of thought that for a minute because they were going to have a baby like I really thought it was going to be the real deal I don't know if I saw it I'm like not that he's too fine because I think he's a handsome guy but I'm like there's something not correct you know

I don't know if it was the age or just maybe that he wasn't established or something. I think she needs somebody who's established, knows who they are, maybe a couple years older who doesn't like the limelight maybe. Well, that's kind of what we were talking about before too, how it's like sometimes when you have two people who want to be a star, right? Sam wasn't a star, but maybe wanted to be and thought,

Brittany was like his like ticket there and then when people were kind of not really paying attention to him probably like he thought they would he was like I don't know I agree with you someone who doesn't care about being in the stars someone that could just like support her help her kind of like in The Bodyguard like how Kevin Costner went to Whitney Houston yes and kind of like when Mariah dated that like billionaire from Australia who was hideous yeah oops

But that's what she needs. That's what she needs. Like, you live in Australia for a month, come to LA for a month. Like, let me do my thing. But she needs, it's the people around you. And I just hate that. She doesn't have, like, good, solid people. I know. I always do. Again, parasocial me. But whenever I see her, she lives in our area. And every time we see her, I always want to, like, just say hi. I never take pictures of her. I would never. Never. You know what I mean? Like, and you want to so bad because I always want to show most. I want to show somebody. Like, oh, my God, I saw Brittany. But it's, like, just the memory just seeing her. And I'm just like. It's almost, like, more.

you keep it close to your heart when you see somebody in person you're like hi hi I'm like I really adore you and you know I appreciate all you've done whatever yeah like I'll say a word sometimes but like not anymore I saw RuPaul once when I like was first moving to LA I was at I was getting a smoothie and I just like was 10 feet away and it just like took in the moment I'm like this is so cool really did you tie to him no I didn't because I'm like I don't need to I'm like

I'll see you one day. And I was at like the drag race showing and I saw him years later and interviewed and stuff like that. I wonder what he would be like in person. He's very... Standoffish probably, right? I think he's... Well, he's also much... He's like four inches taller than me. Really? So he's very, very tall. I went to his book tour because my friend was producing the book tour and I drove up to Santa Barbara. It was a very intimate audience.

he's so effervescent and charming and kind. Like it wasn't a meet and greet or anything, but he was like speaking to, you know, when you speak to somebody in there, like you feel that you're talking to your heart. Like it was just so like, so wise. And yeah, I don't think I'd ever want to like,

work together and meet like not that I would but you know like who knows. Yeah. You wouldn't work together with him. No like I it's just like a relationship that I'm like I love that in my head. I love his books. Yeah. And um. You like the recent one? The latest one? Yeah I do love it. It was controversy there wasn't there? A little bit yeah there wasn't a ton really about like hot topics though so it was more about his personal life and upbringing. Was there something political in there or something that people were upset with? There was something that people were mad about I don't even know. I'm not sure. It's past

probably it wasn't a big deal yeah people get over it did you like Britney's book I did I read it you know what's crazy I was in Italy when it dropped and I couldn't get the pre-order from Amazon like shipped to me so I bought it in Italian and I'm there like reading it and I can speak okay Italian but I was like I need the US version so I like got I got audible I mean I finished it in a night and I listened to it as well because I wanted to hear Michelle Williams narration yes I wish she would have read it yo what's up what's up

So corny and cringy. It was. JT, not Michelle. No, I know. I like her interpretation of it, though. Yeah. JT's canceled now. Like, actually. The thing is, I knew everything in the book for the most... Did you? I knew 90%. Did you know this about her and Justin's, like, baby and... I heard rumblings. I mean, there are some, like, intimate things that I didn't know. But, like, the more, like, standard facts, obviously we all know. Who would you pick for Brittany in the movie?

Oh my gosh. She's, gosh, I don't know her name. I think she's like 16 now. She's a child actress who's like not up and coming. She's still on Disney. I'm so sorry. I don't know her name. But she looks identical to her. Really? I don't know if I know this person. Yeah, she has brown eyes. She can sing really, really, really well. We'll try to pop in a picture of the name or something. Okay, yeah, let me know. But she's perfect because I don't think she needs somebody young to play her, but who through makeup can look older as well. Don't you think, I think, I still think Addison Rae.

I could see that. Right? I could see that. She's like young enough and she's pop star vibe. Yeah. And she loves her. She loves her. They're both from Louisiana. Yeah. She has the moves. She has, I'm like so gung ho for Addison Rae to be here because also she's, it's like known but not like established, right? You can have like a Sabrina Carpenter play her because then you just see like Sabrina Carpenter. Yeah, I love her.

I love her. She's too established. Right. That's what I'm saying. And not that Addison's not, but I feel like she could also be taken so seriously. It's like J-Lo when she got to play Selena. You know, it's like, wow. That'll like, so I really, I really feel for her. Yeah. Part of me wants like, maybe not an unknown, but like not such big of a name. So that's why I was thinking of that girl. But she's like a really great actress too. I remember her. She played like, oh, you know what? She was in, um, God, she plays a younger version in Star Wars.

Chilling Tales of Sabrina, the main actress, the blonde. Chilling Tales of Sabrina, like Sabrina the Teenage Witch? No, the reboot. We're speaking different languages now. We're in different decades. Wait, what's the reboot? The reboot is Chilling Tales of Sabrina. Oh, Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Yes. Same character. Same character, but like obviously different actress. Oh, okay. But it's in the same world. It's a CW show. Yeah, yeah. It's the same world. Okay, okay. I thought so. Witches and everything, but it's more like it's a bit darker and not like a comedy.

I lived with Sabrina the Teenage Witch kind of back in the day. I need to find her name. She's so good. She's so good. Okay, yeah. We'll have to insert a picture because I'm really like big on this Cassie. I'm like, who would play Justin? Who would play this? Like, I'm really trying to figure all out in my head. Or like, who would play like, well, like Jamie Spears? Like, or, you know. Oh my God. Or Jamie Lynn. Yeah.

I want Jamie Lynn to play Jamie Lynn, honestly. Just be a mess. Oh my God. Curse the movie, though. I would feel like it would. I know. Girl, give it up. I don't know who would play her. Yeah. But I love Sabrina. And you know, Brittany was on Sabrina. We were talking about cameos, the Brittany ones. Yeah, yeah. Everyone knows I'm obsessed with. Thanks to this podcast, people got me on Jane the Virgin because Justin Baldoni was in that like hot

topic controversy and everyone's like you should watch it in the virgin so I started watching it in the virgin and like yesterday I got to the episode with Britney Spears and I was like god she really is iconic and everything the way she like just comes onto the screen with like her dancers and she's like I'm stronger than yesterday you know she was wearing like a forever 21 like little top and shorts yeah she had like a teal

teal like top and outfit her teal extensions I know it was a lot no but she crushes even in Sabrina I remember she pops in and she's like doing a tour and I was just like I just love her I think she has just that natural like almost like comedic timing and like when she's on camera you like can't help but like fall in love with her that's why I feel like a movie like not her movie but I feel like like Joseph or something like that would make it like such a big comeback for her I think she'd be so good in it and

I root for her all day. I think it'd be good. Yeah. We want the best for her. Or Dancing with the Stars. Yeah. I don't know. I really. Too good. Too good. Maybe as a judge. No. I don't think she ever wants to do that again. Oh, I guess she. Yeah. She was. What was it? X Factor she was on. Do you watch. Are you watching reality TV at all right now? Um. I. You know what you mentioned the other day. I started watching on TikTok. The Mormon Wives. Oh.

This is all over TikTok right now. I'm going to let you take this away and I'm just going to chime in because it's a lot to like for me who is not a normal watcher. I'm like, this is crazy because I know Mormons. Do you? I know a few Mormons and they're very suspicious. Wait, what? What?

I don't know. They're very guarded. They don't open up. Wait, really? Every Mormon I know seems so wonderful. Like Donnie and Marie Osmond. I don't know them that well, but they seem very well. I'm talking about not celebrities. I'm talking about normal people. I'm like, what's going on here? Well, this show made me look at Normans. Normans. Normans. Norman. Norman. Norman.

Where's Mormon? They did make me look at it on like, Cyway. Did you have something to say about the Mormons over there? You had your microphone right there. No, I mean, they are kind of like, it's almost cult-ish. No, it is a cult. I think, I mean, yeah. They're very guarded and very, they're kind of afraid to actually admit to their own personal, intimate lives. And I know a lot of queer, uh,

queer men who used to or grew up Mormon and their lives like it took them a long time to come into themselves to accept themselves for their family to accept them. But now it's LGBTQ friendly the Mormon world. I mean I think every religion has to say that now like I grew up in the church as well like a lot of churches even on the east coast. So my family's Greek Orthodox but I went to Christian school so I was kind of like in the mix of it all.

lore there as well. But like a lot of churches have like pride flags but like I think it's all I think that's all marketing. Well I guess that's better than being homophobic I guess. I don't know to be like we love the gay

love the gays. Yeah, the Mormon guys that I know like had a really rough time. So I can only like. Specifically more than you think the people that went to school with you like Christians. I guess they're all Christian. Yes. I mean, I got expelled. So I guess like I went through my own trauma for a lot of things. I mean, I choreographed I'm a slave for you to Daniel in the lion's den, a production that I put on in fifth grade. What does that mean you

movements to it? Oh, everything. Everything, full on. And they expelled you? No, they suspended me for that. Why? I ended up getting expelled later on for some stupid reason. What was it, distracting? Like, what was their... It was sinful. Like, I wasn't allowed to go trick-or-treating. I wasn't allowed to have anything, like, to do with luck or Halloween. It was of the devil. Luck? Luck, like, lucky charms or, like, anything.

Anything mystical or anything like secular, I wasn't allowed to like partake in. My locker, poster of GQ spread of Lindsay Lohan, poster of Britney Spears. I had a picture of Wilmer Valderrama with an X through it because he was dating Lindsay at the time. I got like in detention for that too. Love that. Wait, why? Because it's sinful. I mean, to them, it was like a cult.

I was in detention every day. Because they were like sexy girls up in your locker? Sexy girls. This is of the world. This is secular. You need to only read the Bible. And I questioned everything. I'm like, why do I need to read the Bible? Like, why are you bullying me? The Bible wasn't written by Jesus. You know, it's written by people around him or God or whoever. Yeah, I mean, to each their own. I think religion is a fabulous thing if you want to be spiritual, whatever. If you want to hold on to something. But forcing it down is crazy. So take it away with the Mormonism. No, for sure. Yeah, so...

This is crazy. I was never into it. Like, there was MomTalk. Did you ever follow that on TikTok? So there was, like, MomTalk. And it was, like, these group... So I became aware of them from the swingers. So, like, basically there was, like, a bunch of Mormon moms. They all, like...

all like look very similar I guess that's how they all look up in Salt Lake City they all have like this very similar look and I guess they were like swinging so it was like Taylor Frankie Paul was like the main do you know her yes so she's like the main and then it all came out like she's like divorcing her husband and Mormons are known to get married very young like in general young have lots of kids be and it's for life yeah for life so it was like this crazy thing when she was like divorcing uh her husband they had kids what was the most shocking thing so Taylor Frankie Paul was on do you know vile files you know Nick vile of course okay why do you say it like that

I'm not that big of a fan. No. Yeah, no, I'm not into it. Yeah. But I know him. He had Taylor Frank Paul and I think the most shocking thing, she was talking about the swinging scandal and it's like, you know, I don't judge, but she was saying that they were swinging downstairs while the kids were upstairs. Yeah.

Oh, my God. I was like, first of all, why would you admit that? So that was part of the thing. But they guess they got their own show. And I remember this when this all happened. She was, we're filming our own show. And I feel like everyone's always filming a reality show and it never goes anywhere. But this was like front page of Hulu. So I was like, oh, my gosh, this happened. So basically, it's this group of Mormon moms. They're all...

in awful relationships by the way I'm just gonna say that it's a reality show the only reason I'm judging is because they're putting it out there to judge right like no way in hell would I be like let's do a I would never be on Real Housewives I'm not gonna put myself out there to judge because like I think we have a really great relationship but you know people are gonna find yeah you end up being the hot topic yeah exactly which you know I can handle sometimes but I'd rather talk about hot topics and not be them exactly very Wendy when she was very much just like I'm the hot topic who am I to talk yeah what is she she said who am I to judge when I talk about the hot topics and I'm the hot topic oh yeah

I'd ask you to respect my privacy, but I wouldn't. Yeah, she's... And I do love that about her because that is... That's just how it goes. But yeah, so that's the only reason I'm even talking about the relationships. But there are all these awful relationships. Mostly I would blame the men again in these relationships. I don't know...

I don't know if like they feel like they have to be a certain way in the Mormon. Like maybe like you said, maybe they feel like they have to be a certain way. Maybe they can't fully be themselves. I'm not saying like they're gay or queer, but like maybe they couldn't explore. Maybe they couldn't be themselves. Because there's just so much like almost hatred or resentment between a lot of the couples, right? Like the one, I literally don't know any other names except for Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and Whitney. The other ones, I love them. They're all so gorge. And here's the thing. I always wanted to be like the pretty skinny girl. But after seeing them all look so similar and not being able to

pick them out. I'm like, I don't think I would, I'd rather look like me than that because again, they're gorge and that's what I thought I always wanted. But watching the show where they all look the same, I'm like, I don't think I'd want to be just like everyone else where you couldn't pick out my name. It's like that meme of like Christian girl autumn and they all look exactly the same. They're all wearing like a chunky sweater and heels. Yeah. I did want to be those girls, especially like the beauty girls. Like I did want to be those girls, right? Yeah. With the

extensions yeah they all but it's what what is a little eerie i'm not thinking this about mormons just the people they specified on this show which i'm sure the mormons probably hate this show but right but they probably think like that's not what one but they all look very similar to their partners too like they all have like they look like each other and i'm like it's kind of scary but anyways the one was going up to chippendale they were all going to chippendales and the one husband literally is like um okay well i guess have fun being divorced with uh with your children you know not having your children when you come back like i was just like that's

That's so weird and they're so controlling. And I just feel like it was, then there was one that was like on Tinder. I think Whitney's husband was on Tinder and they moved to Hawaii to escape it, but then they came back from the show. Whitney was the one whose baby had RSV and was in like the NICU or something. And she was doing the little TikTok dance. Do you remember that? Right, right. Yeah, she was that woman. And I was just like, oh my God. So basically she was complaining that Taylor Frankie Paul was forgiven for the swinging scandal, but she couldn't be forgiven for dancing next to her baby who had like RSV. But I was like, that's very too dolly different things.

- The thing is, I guess people always wanna watch Messy. Apparently The Real Housewives of Salt Lake is the best housewife franchise, so there must be something. - I mean, it's very Mormon coded there, obviously. - Yeah, so-- - I think a lot of the men are gay, actually, and I think that's probably why they have a lot of marital problems and a lot of issues and a lot of attitude. But it's crazy to put all of that out there. Your kids are gonna watch that. I understand being open and being entertaining, but it's almost too personal.

To say, like, the kids are upstairs while we're swinging, like, lie about that. First of all, jail. At this point. Jesus. No, but actually, I was like, that's a weird thing to, like, say. And again, like, yeah, respect for being real and open. Yeah. But kind of, like you said, I think when you do have kids, too, and as a young age. But like you kind of said, it's like they are kind of conditioned to get married so young. So, like, these guys, like, they have...

I always thought that too. Like, who was it? Who's the other one? Cody with Sister Wives. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah. They're coming back. It's the same thing. They're coming back. They're coming back. Well, she has like no wives anymore. I think she has one. Just one wife. Yeah, just one wife. And I'm just like, but he was so mean to his wives. And like he said, I wasn't sexually attracted to you. And I was just like, what is this on TV? Yeah. When you have so many children involved. Like, it is so weird. I like Utah. I like the famous Mormons I know I love. Like Julianne Hough seems sweet. Like I, you know, I don't know. You know, Mormons, I'm not.

I love the Book of Mormon, although that's kind of problematic too. But I think when you take out the problematic parts of it, it's a good musical. But I think that doesn't help the Mormon community. But maybe they're not real Mormons, right? No. I mean, I'm sure there's something financial under cover of it all, like some sort of scam-ation, MLM or something. Wait, really? Absolutely. The Mormon church or the show? All of it. Okay. All of it. I think every religion hides something. Yeah. And, you know, covers something up. There's some sort of scam. Yeah.

The money donations always think, not just the Mormon church. I think Mormon church have to give like, what is it, like 10% or like 90, I don't know, you have to give a large percentage of the church. But with every religion too, I grew up Catholic. It's like you have to give money in the offering. And I always think that's like,

I mean, I guess. I guess to build new... I don't know. And it's all allegedly. We know nothing. We know nothing about the Mormon church. Alleged scams. It's called alleged. This is all alleged knowledge. Yeah, we know nothing. We know nothing. We're just here to... We're jokers in the court. I always say that. I literally know nothing. Sometimes I'm like, is that... I don't know. It's fascinating.

then at the beginning they're all wearing like blue coats and I'm like I didn't know that the only thing I knew about Mormon what's the show we watched in the Garfield did you watch that one under the banner of heaven no it was like he's like this detective in this Mormon world I think Rory Culkin's in it they wear the like Mormon underwear and stuff like that so that's all I know and I just feel like they maybe they get a bad rap

You know, honestly, I know we have Mormons that watch us, so you guys can go in the comments and let us know. Yeah, shout out to the Mormons. Yeah, I think these people are maybe not an accurate portrayal of Mormons. Right, I don't think so. I mean, is anything on TV an accurate portrayal of what it is in real life? I don't think so. Like, Cody was Sister Wives. I'm sure a lot of the Mormons are like, not us, you know. Yeah, should we do Mormon cosplay next week? We did a Mormon cosplay. You did what? I was elder.

I have my little thing. Oh, okay. But it was from Book of Mormon. I love Andrew Reynolds, so I did a little Andrew Reynolds, yeah. It would be like Mormon Girl Autumn or something. That would be cute. I could see. What would you dress as? The ones that go door to door? Or would you be like in the garb? I feel like you would have like a blonde wig that would be like wavy, down to long. Oh. A chunky knit sweater.

just like look like beige everything oh like the the mormon wives on hulu yes yes oh for sure that i would love to i don't think i'm there's no fat mormons i never see one on tv that's rude right maybe they have some like dietary restriction they're very exclusive

I never see that. And you haven't been in a relationship since Joey. No, I, you know, it took me, I went through a heartbreak, you know, it was together for a long time. And then COVID too, that like made it, it exacerbated like the depression of it all. Yeah.

Oh, you guys met together during COVID? No. So we didn't announce. We broke up February, right before COVID happened. I think COVID landed in March, I believe. Yeah. We broke up in end of February. And then everything going on in the world, like, you know, that first, like, six months of the year were wild. The world's ending. Yeah. It was, like, coal me and fires. Yeah. And, like, literally...

people being murdered by the police like every it was crazy I'm like I'm like girl we're not announcing a breakup right now this is not a serious thing but we did it after the fact I think we did it in July and by 2020 of 2020 we announced it we announced it yeah um and then we were living together for the first six months because I'm like global pandemic hello like what's gonna happen

And I was in Italy at the time of the pandemic outbreak, actually. I was there for Fashion Week for a thing. It was fabulous. Eating all the pasta and everything. And then the outbreak happened in Italy. I was the last plane to leave Milan. Flew to LA. Went through a breakup. Then we lived together. And honestly, things were great. Like, during the breakup and everything, it was great. Really? Yeah, my friend Madeline was living with us during COVID. Love her. During that six months. And then...

Yeah, we announced it and... Oh my God. It was crazy. So if it was great, were you guys like, maybe we shouldn't break up? There were thoughts and then I'm like, nah, I gotta go. But like, yeah, I went to Montana for a couple months, cleared my head. And yeah, I haven't dated since. I'm very happy right now though. That's good. Just living your life. Yeah, I've met...

a really, really amazing person, like, through the years, a couple amazing people through the years. Like, I'm a connection person. Yeah. I'm not on dating apps. I like a meet cute, just, like, meeting kind of by chance. And I've always been lucky in love to, like, be guided towards a good person. And, um... But just not your soulmate. No, I mean, um, we'll see. But in the moment, I'm really happy. You could probably have multiple soulmates. Like, I feel... I think so, too. Yeah. Different chapters, you need to have different needs, different, you know, as we grow and...

you know, sometimes it's one person. Sometimes that doesn't work out. Sometimes there's another person, multiple people, who knows? You guys were always a couple goals. Like I always love that you did. I know we were talking a little bit before how you like, it's kind of hard to like date and work with someone. But like, I love, like, I love it. Like we work together 24 seven and it's like amazing, but it does scare me in that sense where you guys are like, well, just like fizzle. How does it fizzle? Because not only do you have the love, but like even if love fizzles, you have other things like partnership, kids, like businesses. So it's like, don't you just,

stay together for one thing and maybe the others will come later. Yeah, I think we were also like we're early 20s when we started and also he was really annoying. You know, in videos I'm like, why are you playing with Orbeez? Like, I was, I grew up very quickly. I'm like, what's with the Orbeez and the slime and the cutting open toys? I'm like, I don't know.

There is something going on here. Shane was doing it too. Slime. Yeah, now a million views for opening a toy. It's crazy. Send them over. We're opening up. We're going to jump into an Orbeez bath right now. Number one hater, Orbeez. But you know what? They're literally the most dangerous things for kids. Oh, you're not joking? Yeah, they'll literally swell up in there. Anything with little beads, I'm like, absolutely not. Do you know how I got those Orbeez out of our clawfoot bathtub? I had to put them in bags. What's a clawfoot bathtub? It's just like a very big bag.

tub with like claw feet. It's like Victorian, like very Bridgerton coded. Love that. Yeah. That's how I explain things too. Very Bridgerton coded. Ah, love it. So we filled the bathtub and then I had to like post-production was scooping it out in maybe like 10 trash bags. I put it out and stupidly they're filled with water. I didn't realize they were going to be so heavy. I put them into the trash barrel. The trash barrel stayed out there

maybe three months because the company the trash guys couldn't pick up the barrel so i just like stabbed the bottom drilling holes with a bit and all the water was pouring out it was awful they got in our lawn it was it was every time it rained they would like get big i'm like these are jumbo orbeez too they're not the normal ones they like yeah you can never get rid of them like gremlins they like multiply yes we had it too i remember the first like our first couple months of dating you're like we had orbeez in like a bath or something he's like scrubbing like all over the grass

I was like, what the hell? It was so weird. That was like beyond. Like I got to a point where I'm like, it was actually 2018 where I'm like, I don't want to be in any of your videos anymore. And you're going to hire a producer. Yeah.

Wow. Yeah. And also like producing the videos. I would have produced some of the bigger ones but like I'm like I'm no longer a talent with you. I can't because also I started reading the comments then. Never read the comments. And I was very comfortable in a relationship. I think I had like I don't know I gained like 10 pounds or something but like I'm tall. Yeah. It goes to my face and like obviously we see I'm chiseled and like fit and happy and good and where I'm supposed to be but like it wasn't anything. 10 pounds is nothing. But people will say you read one comment and like a

thousand kind ones and they're like he's a user he's riding coattails he's fat like oh my god I'm like girl I don't even have a YouTube channel like what yeah never read the comments were you reading like Guru Gossiper back then oh I sure was that's the worst they're worse than Reddit they are crazy and they're weird like grown ups were like these are 50 year old men who are obsessed with boys in their 20s like wanting like like us for our nudes to leak all this stuff I'm like this is so sick yeah

And also older women, too. There were, like, a lot of older women who, like, cat ladies...

Shout out to cats. We love cats. But like, you know what I mean? Like they're at home. They're like addicted to consuming media like on YouTube and like they get like an obsessive. I mean, you've had people you've had questionable characters be obsessed with you online. I'm sure. Maybe. Yeah. But I think I do think like especially like hot young gay guys. Right. And I get that. And I try not to be that weirdo lady too because I do find like, yeah, I love like like I get weirdly into like gay couples.

and I'm very invested in them more than like straight. But you're supporting. You're not like obsessed and want like to marry them. Well, you know. I didn't find out Matt Bomer was married with three kids. I was like, oh, okay. Maybe not for me then. His husband's an agent. He's like a heavy hitter in the industry. I know. I do get a little bit obsessed in that way too sometimes with gay men. I don't know. I don't know if it's because it's like I feel like they can never hurt me so I'm like, I'm attracted to you because I've always been attracted to gay men. You're an

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little too much sometimes. Sometimes I've dated some gay people a lot, by the way. Everyone always thinks I'm talking about one gay person I've dated. It's like, no, I've dated quite a few. I've heard. I remember those stories back in the day. Yeah. The like actor from some show or something. I'm like, holy shit. I really did.

And I don't know if they were like just playing with it because it was cute and fun or like they maybe were queer or open or maybe. They probably were. And just like also that generation, like a lot of them just don't come out and they're not able to. And especially for work, even now as a queer actor, like it's hard to book work.

Matt Bomer, like, he got lucky, but I don't think he was outwardly, like, on the cover of, like, Out Magazine or doing stuff until more recently. You're right. Who's that? Someone else. And he's what? I think he's, like, 50, 40s, late 40s? We're actually, I know this too. This is, I don't know too much. He's actually Moses' age and Jonathan Bailey is my age. Okay. Jonathan Bailey is 13 days older than me and Matt Bomer is 13 days older than Moses. I love the math. You have it on the calendar. 77 and 88. You're like, happy birthday. Okay.

know it so well. And we're both Tauruses, me and Jonathan Bailey. So I know this very well. And they're both Scorpio. Oh, no, you're end of Scorpio. Anyways, so I do know this. But yeah, you're right. And that's why, again, I really do love Jonathan Bailey, too. I love that he's just so out, but gets to play all the roles, right? He gets to play gay, fellow travelers, but also straight. He does it his own way. I think that's cool. Not everybody gets that opportunity, though, because you're typecasted. However, I think he started...

Did he start in theater? He did, yes. He did, like, Les Mis. Yeah, that's the great way to go because you can kind of go in any direction from there. Yeah, and there are so many, like, straight and open and queer. Alan Cumming is bi. He's still bi. Like, I still, I feel like it is, theater is great. That's why I love musical theater, too. It's very open to everyone and everything. But I think it was Chris Colfer, actually, who said that he didn't want to come out as gay because he thought it would hurt his career, even though, like, he played a very out. Well, the door was glass and beaded. Oh.

I know. No, we love. Yeah. He has like 14 books. He's like an author who like writes so many books now. But he thought it was like, yeah, he didn't want to like come out. And that is interesting. It's true. No, it is true for sure. Yeah. I guess you. When I was auditioning, I was told that I need to dial down the queerness. I'm like, I have a really deep voice. I do have octaves and like levels when I speak because I'm like eccentric. But there were many casting directors that were like,

they're gonna hire a straight actor to like play queer. And then the role comes out and I'm like, oh, you play queer. Yeah. I'm like, oh, you didn't eat that. But your father's a producer in the industry. So I get it now. Cool. Interesting. I got super bitter, but then I'm like, you can't be bitter about it because everybody has their own path. And like the things that don't work out will open doors in the future.

I agree. I totally agree with that. I do feel though, like if you're playing someone like Freddie Mercury, right? Who's like an egg day icon. Like, don't you think, or even Elton John. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like why wouldn't you, because there are so many amazing like queer actors, like why wouldn't you give that role? You know what, what I say is like, who is the best for the role? Give it,

I think it should be given to the minority, to the queer person who's representing a queer character. I think so too. I think people are like scared to say that because, but I think it's like a really, you know, just like in the new Wicked Nessa Rose, you know, like they definitely, because I think in, was it Glee? I think he wasn't in a wheelchair, the actor, Kevin McHale. So I was just, so I was like, why? And then later on they did, they had the, I think she won a Tony for Oklahoma, like an actress. But I feel like if you can give it to someone who, you know, there's like seven, Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Are you watching?

because I love Rachel Zegler. Yeah, true love. Well, I think the controversy, right, is like why... Is it little people? I think they called... Okay, I don't know. Yeah, no, I think it might be a little person. Okay. An LP. Okay, LP. Yeah. And so they had, I guess, what do you call it? Just like average-sized people and then this new one, they do CGI because they have backlash. Oh, they do CGI. Yeah. I don't like that. But all the animals look realistic and they're just like, okay, but why wouldn't you have... I think in Hacks, that was a whole storyline was that

Deborah Barbara Deborah we always forget her name Deborah Vance right is that her name Deborah okay she hired you know little people actors to play elves to hand out her Christmas invitations and Ava was like you can't do that you know whatever but then the little people actors were like this is like you know the jobs that we get hired for so I feel like with Snow White you could have given seven of those actors these like big roles in a huge Disney thing and then didn't so I just don't know how they did it when they reshot everything how they missed the mark

with that because that would have been I think most people would agree I think it was Peter Dinklage who was like that shouldn't be the case but all the other people all the other little actors were like I would like to play those roles no I mean I think it's just everybody should have an opportunity to play a character that they want to play and be who they want to be and like have it be authentic because like that's empowering to every community and it makes that's what entertainment's about yeah like we're here to entertain yeah like let people be entertained if you can't see yourself on a screen you

then you're always going to feel weird about yourself. Yeah, I agree. I feel like that's so... Then you're, like, so much more seen and all of that. Which is why I got into Bridget Chang because when they had, like, a plus-size actress, even though she's very small and petite in my eyes, but... She's also very... To me, she's short and, like, tiny. She's very tiny. Yeah. And again, the cast, whoever, she's obviously gorgeous, but, like, you know, when they describe her in the book as being very, like, large and ugly, I'm like, she's very petite and pretty. Right, right. Which, I mean, I get it. It's Hollywood, whatever. But, yeah, like, I...

size comparison right I showed this on my TikTok it's like her next to like Luke Newton who played Colin like she's she is very tiny put me next to Moses and I'm literally like twice the size which is like fine it's like but again if you're comparing bodies like oh she's a petite person next to whatever right I mean I think obviously there's like

sizeism and entertainment. Yeah. Like, even, like, when they're like, oh, we have plus-size models, I'm like, that's a normal person. Like, what? I know. That is Hollywood. I do like to see, in the new Wicked, the Shen Shen, I think is the character's name, who's like, she's a, I don't like to say plus-size either. I don't want to, like, ever offend anyone. I say plus-size, I call myself fat, whatever, but she's, like, not a size zero, and I love that because in the

plays like a lot of times and Bo and Yang I think that character is usually a female maybe not in the book but I like that Bo and Yang is in it I love Wicked I'm very excited to see it yeah I'm excited how again did we go there we were talking about what where did that come from I go on these tangents we're like we're one with the wind we're just like I know about Hot Topics I was like it really is chaotic well I'm used to like okay this this this and this and now I'm like okay I know I didn't know usually like we're keeping it on track right like where we're at I have like things I always want to hit but yeah yeah do

Do you ever watch Derry Girls on Netflix? I love Derry Girls. I love Derry Girls too. I have only watched the clips, but I love that show. I know. You gotta watch the show. No, I started season one recently, but I was traveling, so I didn't get like fully into it. Have you been to Derry Ireland? No. I wanna go. I love Ireland though. Oh, that was good. I can do an accent. Let's hear it. Just that part. No, no, no. Okay. No, no, I can do a lot. I can do, I mean, I can do British. Wait, can you do a British accent? I love accents too. Trisha Paytas.

Of course I can do an accent. Ooh, that sounds a little Bridgerton. Or a little Hugh Grant. That was a little Hugh Grant. Oh, yeah, that's a little Hugh Grant. There's different, because like Derry, I feel like they have such a, the Irish, I'm really bad. It's like twang. It's like, yeah. They're like, my body's starving. What the fuck you doing, mate? Yes. Yes.

he gets about to shut down Michelle that sounds a little witchy though maybe not I think I'm not doing it right but I love we'll do a reenactment I love Ireland we talk about Ireland a lot shout out to all the Irish people shout out to Ireland we love you I have been to the Cliffs of Mar

And it was stunning. Ooh, that was good. That was really good. That was really good. Is that Ewan Jones over there? Stonehenge? I'm not sure. It's a lot of rocks. Is that real? I thought Stonehenge was like a myth. It's real. We drove by. I'm like, I don't need to stop. I've seen one Stonehenge. You've seen them all. Isn't that like one of the like

Not like Loch Ness Monster. Like, isn't it like. No, I think it's like one of the seven wonders of the world. Oh, I thought it was like, what is the Loch Ness Monster? What does that consider? Like Bigfoot? What are those things called? Yeah, it's like folklore and fables. And that's how Stonehenge was at. No, it's giant rocks. It's like the Easter egg heads. Yeah. Easter egg heads? Yeah, they're like the Easter Island heads. Yeah. Not Easter egg heads. They're just these pink Easter eggs. They're an island? Yeah.

No, those are in like Hawaii. Machu Picchu. Machu Picchu. Oh my God. But you've been to Ireland. What? I've been to Ireland. I was also supposed to go to Machu Picchu last year, but it got rained out. Where's Machu Picchu? It's in Peru. I was supposed to go on a hiking trip and hike Machu Picchu. Okay. Peru is where? Europe? Like near Argentina. No, South America. I don't know. You know, that's one thing. I don't know any American countries down there. I need to know. You know this. You know the pink checkerboard. That's what you need to know. The pink checkerboard. Geography is not my strong point, but I would love to go. I won the geography bowl in eighth grade, so I kind of know what geography is about.

Oh my god, you're like so smart. You really are, but you are very smart. How did you know? Like what did you have to do to win that? I just like loved looking at maps when I was a kid because I love like ships. So I would study like ship guides. I love the Titanic. I know everything there is to know about the Titanic. I'm a huge fan of like just the ocean and travel like airplanes, Pan American Airlines, like the history of all of like travel. I used to just like look at places on the world. I'm like, I'm going to go there. I'm going to go there. I'm going to go there. I

I had no idea that about you. Yeah. Oh my God. You're like, did you guys ever do, when you shot the Don't Wait video, was that in a different country? No, we actually, we wanted to. We actually shot in Montana. So I had, Montana's always been a close place to my heart. Yeah. I've been going there since I was like seven or eight. Um,

My brother went to University of Montana, so I'd spend summers with him when my parents were fighting. I'd visit. And then my roommate in college lives there, lived there. And I'm like, okay, let's shoot here. Like, let's go to Glacier National Park. Let's like, we, and guess what? Like, Andy. Did he do that? Yeah, Andy shot that. Really? We went out. Was it expensive? Yeah.

You can bleep it. I'll bleep it. I don't know what you mean. No, no, no. I don't think it was for what it did in the numbers. I think it's the highest viewed like YouTuber music video right behind Ava Gatowski's Literally My Life. Literally My Life. Iconic. Which definitely looks expensive but definitely didn't cost $50,000. Definitely not. I think it was like $40,000 or $50,000. Oh, that's cheap. Yeah, that was like reasonable back in the day. And I believe it's standing at like 40 or 50 million views right now. Wow.

Wow. It was such a big, well, that was his coming out video, right? Yeah. And it was like, we did an artistic way. The song was also like pulled in by H&M when it was on the summer soundtrack, like internationally. It was so crazy. Don't wait for the world to be ready.

Oh, I know. No, it's fierce. It's so good. It's so good. And you guys were so good in it. It's so great. But yeah, we shot in Montana. We kind of like rogue shot a lot of stuff because I'm like, we didn't get a lot of permits for this stuff. We were shooting at like, it was, we were shooting in May. Yeah. And I also did casting and worked on wardrobe. It was like, Andy had his team, but he's not, it wasn't where he's like at right now. He's doing like films and amazing stuff now. Yeah, he has like a huge production.

Yeah, it was so cool to do. And then we filmed at a school on a playground with no permits, fully illegally. Oh my gosh. But nobody was there, so it was fine. Yeah, he used to shoot like that. Kind of just like, ooh. Yeah, I was calling it a student project the entire time. Well, kind of. It's not really for mass consumption, but it wasn't for MTV. No, it popped off in a way that was shocking to both of us. What year was that? 2014 or 15? 2015 it came out. Wow. It'll be 10 years next year, which is wild. Oh my gosh.

You should host a reunion. Yes. We're seeing him this weekend. He has a daughter that's my mom's age. Oh, no way. Yeah. So we always get to play dates. I'm so happy for them. Yeah. No, they're so happy. And did you see his movies? Did you see Manishina Family? No, I didn't. But I got the PR for it because I just got home and I saw like a PR box and it came from it. The little popcorn buckets and the little daddy hats. They had such a good cast. I was like, what?

I love Andrew. I always thought he was so talented too. I've always gravitated towards like talented people. His quality of work is amazing. I mean, he's done so many for you. Did he do like all of them in the beginning? Yeah. No, there's not one I didn't do without him. That's amazing. Even up until, I think our last one was 2021. Do you think you'd get back into music?

I want to do. So yeah, we have a live show coming up in December, like a Christmas show. So I have a Christmas song that I want to do and I want him to like direct it. But he kind of retired from like YouTuber music videos. But I do think I like this weekend. I'll be like, hey, so do you? Because we talked about doing stuff together. So I'm like, hopefully maybe he won't do it on music videos. Of course. I love music, but it was expensive. It's so expensive. And well, also the productions that you do, very expensive. I went crazy. You go all out. Well, because I met him around the time Joey was using him. Like when Joey did Colorful. Were you with him when he did that?

to that? I wasn't, but I didn't know any of that, didn't see any of it. I'm like, is this man a pop star or like a YouTuber? I'm like, I don't get it because it was really good. It looked so legit. I always thought that was a Joey Graceffa song. Well, I was also like, is he straight? He's like kissing a girl in this. I'm like, not from what happened last night.

You're like, maybe he's open. No, he had a straight era for sure because I think Story of My Life with Luke, they were like fighting over a girl in that video too. So yeah, live for that. But I think I met Andrew Valentine that year, 2014. And I remember my first music video was Santa Baby and it cost like $4,000. It was so cheap. But then our last one. Yeah, our last Sad Boy one cost like $250,000 to shoot. Like we literally did like World War II on a beach. You had war. Yeah, I see that meme to this day. Worth every penny. I know.

Your art is just, you know. I agree. We spent over $10 million. I've done the math. We spent over $10 million over doing 60 music videos together. Have you made that back from music? No, definitely not. But you know what? In other ways. Yeah. You have more music videos than most pop stars, which is honestly, that's a feat in itself. It's very true. And we did budget. We did production. And I don't regret any of it. It's before that I'd get married or have kids. So I was like, I'm just going to blow all my money. And Andrew would come over and he'd be like, sorry. I'm like, no. I'm like, you know, it's like me and Ricky Dillon. It's like, if we are willing to spend this, you know.

what I mean Snoop Dogg has entered the chat that's wild that's like you didn't even have Snoop Dogg so I remember getting that's crazy I think it was Nicki Minaj maybe was like 300,000 and I think Snoop Dogg was 100,000 bargain right kind of yeah but I think part of it was like he wouldn't lip sync in the video he would just appear in it yeah wouldn't promote it he had to have his own director do it so Andrew Valentine didn't shoot the part with Snoop Dogg so and but you know Ricky's there next to him and it was

It was just like, I love Ricky. I honestly thought, I thought he was just as talented as Troye Sivan. Like, I don't know why he didn't pop off. I was like, honestly, they were like iconic to me at the same time. Do you like Troye Sivan? I'm a huge Troye Sivan fan. Love. I mean, I, he, so we did Don't Wait.

and then with one of the writers who then had just done troy's ep and then went on to do blue neighborhood oh so that this was like right when troy was he wasn't even popping off it was just he was launching a career was he like friends with tyler oakley at this point is he like in that group i think he was friendly he wasn't really in the group anymore all like he had like pulled back for sure after so this is after yeah this is after he did a connor full circle did you know that i mean i don't think the world knew it of course i knew it but i think it's out

there now that they discovered Chapel Rowan did you see that picture of them I saw that yeah and I was like I didn't know they dated yeah I don't think Troy even knew either but I mean I don't think it was public what did they date I mean I I think there were inklings that like they were like is it out there hopefully it's out there Jimmy correct me if it's not out

but I think it's out there. No, I think he mentioned in a podcast he said my boyfriend at the time maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I didn't know that that referred to Troy. It was just like the sky is blue. Like I always thought. Well, then they had a picture of Troy and him with Chapel Roan. So I think people put it together. Yeah, which is everything. But you like, so you guys hung out or no? I

I think we've only hung out once or twice at an event. Not like personal, but like I love his music. I think what he's doing now, like his open and eccentric queerness is fantastic. And his shows are so... I haven't been to one, but just watching the clips online, I'm like, oh, iconic. I'm excited. I'm going to miss out on that tour, but I just saw Charlie this summer. Did you? Yeah. Where? When we did...

I forget what venue. Was that the Greek maybe? I'm not sure. No, it was downtown. It was downtown. It was when my smoothie launched with Moon Juice. Did she know about that? Your smoothie? Her team, yeah. They were fine with it? So my TikTok, the TikTok on it went viral. And then one of the reps at Atlantic Records or something is friends with my friend who's a manager.

And he was like, what's this about? I'm like, oh, it's just I did it for fun. Like, it's not real. Yeah. But the actual smoothie is coming out next week and we're doing proceeds to the LGBT Center. And he's like, he's like, I'm going to try to get her the smoothie, but she gets in tonight. The show's also tonight. But like, we're just going to we're going to make it happen. You know how those things happen. It didn't happen. She knew about it.

I guess. And she was like down. She was like, yeah, I mean, it's a smoothie. It's fun. We're going to bring it for the whole production team. That was iconic that you got that. What do you think was better? The brat smoothie that you did or at Moon Juice or 143 Katy Perry at Air One? The brat one. Really? Because that's like fully by me. Yeah. I mean, the 143 one's great too. And it was cool to work on that. Yeah, it was, it was, um,

I think you would like because you like grapefruit. Oh, the grapefruit smoothie? No, it's orange and pineapple-y. So it gives you that like citrus-y kind of thing. I love a grapefruit. Yeah, but it's very summery, like end of summery. But the Moon Juice one was like fun because it was like 100% me. Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that. And you came up with the ingredients and everything. Yeah, and then they DM me because I always wanted to work with Erewhon. Like I had like gotten the millions and millions of views through the series. And I see all these little...

almond girl influencer in LA getting all the Erewhon press and pro not the PR packages. I'm like, I don't get anything like that. Like really not from Erewhon. Like Erewhon is very specific. Like they only send to one particular demographic demographic, which I'm like white girls. Well,

like white skinny supermodels. Yeah, it's like, I'm not getting this package. It is what it is, but it's like this chic like tote bag and everything. And then I think- They give out PR? Oh yeah, they get PR for every smoothie. I'm always on Air 1-2 making videos. I love Air- That's crazy. So I was like, if you can't beat them, join them. I'm going to make my own smoothie and just like-

I wasn't even doing it really to troll. It was to get their attention to, like, I'd love to be brought on to produce some of your campaigns and stuff like that. Like, as a side thing, make the smoothies. And they didn't do that. I got a letter from... Not a letter, an email from my lawyer who was like, hey, like, something's going on, but you're fine. You said at the end of the video, like, that this isn't real, but...

Just to let you know. Wait, that wasn't real. What did you allege? Because I said that the smoothie wasn't real because I kind of made it. I'm like, the smoothie's not real, but if you guys want to tag Erewhon, maybe we can make it happen and get it on the menu. But people didn't watch the whole video. But I don't understand. Erewhon was like,

They thought you were promoting something that wasn't... No, they just... They wanted me to take down the video, essentially. Okay, well, this is alleged that they sent... Oh, no, maybe not. That PR... Maybe they sent PR to other people besides skinny white girls. Allegedly. Our conspiracy, allegedly. Let us know if you're someone... I mean, I haven't seen any, but I'm like, you know when you feel excluded? You're like, okay, I'll just do it myself. I mean, obviously. Me with Escape the Night. You're like, fine, I'm making my own escape something. Escape trash. Like, I was like, yeah, no, for sure. I know that...

does feel that way you see it all happen and have you ever collaborated with a queer person have they yeah uh not that I know of no I mean they they collabed recently with um Winnie Harlow but I don't think she's queer but she's a model she's I believe she's African American she has vitiligo and she's fabulous like she reached out on TikTok she like loved the review whatever uh but that's the only person everything else has been like a supermodel or like random like make it more fun right at least Jake Shane I think would get one he's so popular right now you think they'd give him a

I don't know. I mean, it is what it is. It's overpriced. They know their demo. Good for them. And I'm doing my own thing over here. I feel like Erewhon, though, is lots of gays. When I go. No, I think it's fake. The gays are there, for sure. Okay. But when I go there, I'm always uncomfortable. Because I'm like, uh.

I just get, I don't know. Oh, really? I'm a Ralph's and Whole Foods person. I love Ralph's. We're Ralph's all the way. Whole Foods is great because they have really affordable food. And it's like, I like their produce. I just don't like that there's no Lay's potato chips there. They don't have brands. That's when you go across the street to Galvin's or to Ralph's. Well, even Galvin's is too bougie. Galvin's is really expensive, too. Yeah. I think, and Whole Foods, I remember Joey always going to the Whole Foods and

Loves Whole Foods. Third Street. Yeah. Yeah. And I was at the chicken. And so I was like, oh, I want to eat at the Whole Foods. And even Oscar's like, yeah, I used to go to Joe and eat at Whole Foods. But like, it's kind of trash now. It's not. Like the hot foods. It's not the best. Yeah. There's a place called Lazy Acres, which is really great. It's like a, it's, it's Erewhon, but it's, they have all the brands.

They have like the big brands. The Oreos. Yeah. They have like unhealthy stuff or whatever, but they have the healthy stuff. And it's all very pretty, very like put together. It's cool. Yeah. I feel like Erewhon is just like too bourgeois. They had a pride smoothie though. Who did that? No, they didn't have a pride smoothie. It was like rainbow. It was like blue. That was the Winnie Harlow smoothie. It was blue, yellow. Oh.

Oh, it was? Yeah. Oh, and she's not queer? No, they've never done anything for Pride or anything like that. I mean, every brand gets on the Pride. I know. It's like the Demiurge bandwagon. You have to like, hmm.

Well, this is all a legend. Yeah. But that's why we make our own stuff. Right. Exactly. And get other opportunities and work with brands and companies and get on shows and everything. Absolutely. Yeah. I agree. I remember, I want to say it's a Joey connection too. Did he get sponsored by like McDonald's or something? I think so. I'm like, how did you not get that first? Oh, I was so mad. The McTrish. Yeah. Oh. Where is it? Oh, yeah. The Trish Filet. Like a fish filet. The Trish Filet. Genius. We come up with good names together. Yeah. It was.

But I remember him getting sponsored. Maybe it was Wendy's or something. And I was like, this person hates fast food. Like he only eats greens. He never eats processed food. And I was like so annoyed. And then someone had told me they're like, oh, fast food doesn't like collaborate with fat people because they don't want people to think they'll be fat if they ate their food. But it's like, who do you think is eating your food most of the time? You know what I mean? For trying reverse marketing, I'm like, what? Yeah, like look how hot you'll be. You'll look like Joey Graceffa if you eat our meat. I'm like, Joey Graceffa's not eating McDonald's. No, he's not. I don't know if it was McDonald's that was trying to sponsor her. I was vegan with him for two years. I wanted to die.

You were vegan for two years? Yes, I think he was vegan longer. What? It wreaked havoc on my body. I was emaciated. I was tiny. I was like a 29 size waist. Normally I'm a 31, 32. Really? Yeah, I was tiny. But I wasn't strong and I want to feel like I can lift things and do gardening and landscaping and all this fun stuff. Are you eating the yak meat now? Exclusively. Exclusively.

No, Montana is not Wyoming. A lot of people are like, why do you live there? I'm like, totally separate states. No, it's close. Montana is for the outdoorsman, wonderful people, adventuring in Wyoming is for like farming and crazy people. Have you tried the yak? You should do number one hater yak meat. I will become, I will be yak meat if I go there. Are you kidding? I will end up like in the freezer. Why? Why?

No, just because like... Just in general. Just in general, I have always been outspoken about certain things with that person and I don't stand for like... I didn't know. Any hate on like the trans, queer, LGBT community. I think like you need to uplift each other, especially when you have that much power and to use your voice in a negative way is just like so detrimental. Do you think it's changed? No. Okay. Darkness, evil. I don't really follow. I try to... I don't follow either. I'm blocked on every platform. Okay.

Okay. Because I was just, I think I quote tweeted something once and it was like against the grain. I'm like, how could you as a queer person not fully X, Y, and Z? Like I was standing up for my people, you know? That's good. And that's it. And some people can't take the Trish. They can't take the Trish. The T. I do feel, I think, yeah, I think in general there is, especially like completely separate conversation, but like older people,

people in general maybe has like a little self-hating because they can't like fully be themselves or you know people at the time you think back in like the 90s like a completely separate thing but like in the 90s when people couldn't be out and gay so maybe they like hate on this new generation that not only can be but it's almost like

Not only is it accepted, but it's really cool and trendy, right? Lesbians are having the moment, right? But I feel like maybe people who couldn't be so full out are a little bit... I think it all stems from insecurity and sadness within yourself. And again, you can have all the money in the world, but if you don't have a solid foundation of people around you and love and people who care about you...

None of it's worth it. What would you say your advice to people who doesn't have like the family background? Like you don't have a strong family, but you've been able to find community and friendships and closeness. Like how do you find that? Or how do you think you can break a cycle? You're going to make me cry because this is the one thing like that gets me like,

growing up I I didn't have the support I came out I wasn't accepted by my father my mom always had my back but like we grew up you know I grew up in a European household and the woman is married forever you know that's not the case but I I was bullied super heavily and

you just need one person, a friend, even a teacher that you can confide in, a guidance counselor, somebody, some person that believes in you. And now with the internet and like, you know, vlogging or whatever, you can find that community online. You need one person. And that one person grows from two to three to 10. You find your chosen family. People believe in you and push you and want the best for you. And,

in any, anything that you're going through, like you can find your chosen family because there's, everybody goes through stuff. Yeah. Everybody goes through stuff. You're never alone and it doesn't last forever. Yeah. And just like having to, when you find those people, like how do you trust? How do you like know that they won't be like hateful? You know, cause it's like, it's happened to your own family, right? Like your dad, it's like, how do you trust that?

Also men in general, right? Like I have my own daddy issues too where it's just like how do you trust men? Like, you know, you get these like how do you get past that? I guess yeah, I mean I always have Veered more towards women. I'm a I'm a girl's gay like I've women have always been my Always pushed me always stood up for me in school. I have great like straight guy friends, too and a couple queer friends, but

I don't know. There's something like something clicks when you meet people. Like whether you're in school and you need to be in go out for a sport or go out for a club or like join maybe not sorority or fraternity. I was in a fraternity in college too. You were? Yeah. But it was like the smart boys. It was like nerds. Okay.

And I was like head of like the etiquette board. So I got to like teach them like how to use cologne and like how to tweeze their brows and all this stuff. Like how to, you know, it was like gentlemen. It was sweet. Oh, that's cute. But you just find your people. You just need to put yourself out there. Cause if you're always in the headspace of like, everybody's against me, nothing's going to work out for me. That stuff comes to fruition. Yeah. You just have to try. Like I was like in New York, I met the coolest people by chance and like they're my soulmates and like,

They became my family. It's amazing how you do kind of like keep and like nurture those like friendships. Because I've always been bad at that. I'm not someone who like is good at being a friend. Like because I just don't know how to like reach out. And if people reach out to me, I just like assume the worst. I don't know. I've always had really bad. I think you've been burnt a lot of times. And you've been like hurt a lot. And a lot of people have.

And you build up walls to protect yourself. Yeah. But sometimes like it feels so great to like break those walls down and just like give people a chance. But like you just need to feel it in your heart that they're genuine and have love for you unconditionally. Yeah. I guess that's why I asked more even for myself because I was just like how do you look past like being like oh this person won't hurt me. I just assume everybody would. Right. So it's just like that wall. I think it's easy to get in that mindset especially if you've been hurt or like went through a crazy breakup. But your heart knows. Like you're not going to

Well, now that I'm thinking of it, you've had lots of crazy people into your life. Oh, everybody. You know in your gut. Yeah. Like, sometimes, like, there's a difference between that feeling inside than, like, the feeling of, like, just wanting to have people around you because you're lonely or something. I know. But you just need to listen to your heart and...

For you, I mean, it's very difficult now. I mean, like, you've always been a position of power and success and, you know, especially now, which is amazing. But a lot of people want things from you. So I think, like, as long as you have your people around you, like, you don't need a ton of friends. But also you can have your boundaries, you know, of, like, if you go to an event or, like, how long you want to stay or, you know, if you want to have people over for dinner or whatever. That's actually so true because that's I never really got into is, like, what's –

the etiquette for that. Like how long do you stay? How long do you not? You know what I mean? Like I remember when we hung out, you, me, and it was like Shane and Rylan. I remember being so like

I guess maybe jealous is the word where it's just like, God, I really wanted like stability, right? I would leave and you guys would be together at home or same thing with Shane and Rylan. And I would get so like jealous that I just like, I don't know. I didn't know how to like control or stop it. I'm like, how do you stop being like jealous of someone, right? Because there's always that thing, right? Like, oh, I can't be friends with someone that's jealous. But that was always me. I was always, maybe not anymore because I'm like in a relationship and all I wanted was that. But I don't know how like,

to not be that, right? To not see that love and not like want that too. Like I didn't know how to like get past that. So I think I was like just so, I don't know, sad and depressed. I mean, so I didn't want to be around it. Do you know what I mean? I know what you mean. I don't think you're like that anymore. And I think like you've come to a certain place in your life where maybe you can give yourself that grace of like the past is the past. Yeah. You can start over again. You can be like, hey, do you want to get...

coffee or juice, whatever you want. Or like come over and like we'll have tea or something. Like what feels good for you? You don't need to spend all day with somebody. Now like my circle's tiny. I'm not friends with a lot of influencers. I've stepped away from a lot of friendships. And I've been able since my relationship ended, since I have more time to like give...

because I was giving everything in that relationship. Yeah. I'm able to water the garden around me and let those friendships bloom and let people be there for me. I was always terrified of like,

oh, like if I show up, if I'm a good person, if I love them unconditionally and I like say as to everything that they're never going to like hurt me, they're never going to leave me. They're never going to, you know, be maybe my, who my father was to me. But it, you're always taking the chance of being hurt. And it's just like, is it worth it or not? And no, no, it is. It is. It's, it's, it's, it's a give and take. And, um, I,

I have amazing people in my life. And I think for me is having one foot in this entertainment world and one foot in the world that I truly love with my heart. Like I know I don't want to raise a family in LA. I want to be in Montana. I want to like have that life that's offline and I'm able to switch it on and off when I want. Do you see yourself like settling down, like getting married, having kids? I would love to be a father one day.

Really? Yeah. I love kids. I want to have a farm. I want to have, maybe not a farm, but like, just like, I want to have a little shop in town in Montana and have like land and have like flowers and all that good stuff. It's like what I have now, but like,

Yeah. I think what's so cool is because like, you know, I always felt too like being like a woman obviously biologically. Like I was like, oh man, I need to have kids now. But it is so cool that like women, like Kourtney Kardashian, like all these people are having babies in like their 40s. You know what I mean? Because for me having kids, I say later in life. I was 34 when I had my first. But it does feel like I didn't miss out on anything and I appreciate it more like at this like stage in life. You know what I mean? It feels – and because I have kids, I'm like able to like –

form friendships now like I said with Andrew like me and Andy were always like close but now we're like closer because we have kids we can hang out with them for them yeah and there's like a common interest and it like feels good you know what I mean and I've like pushed myself out of my boundaries more to have friends for Malibu and stuff yeah I mean I think that's good and as a mom that's going to continue to shape things but also you were hurt recently you know and that sucks but that's not there are great people out there you just like luckily I feel like you didn't get

probably as close as you were going to be. Yeah. And it all like the universe like started it and ended it, taught you a lesson, move on. Yeah, that was wild. I think that's the thing. I think that is the thing, right? It's like friendships I thought I had for so long, like Shane, right? Like later on people are like, Shane talks about you, Shane. And like stuff that only Shane would know. And for so long it's like he would never, he would never. Because I personally never, like I thought Shane was the one person I was like, you know what? We are, we're never talking about each other. Like we're so close. So then when I found out all this stuff later that he would-

you know, stuff again that only he would know. I was like, this sucks, you know, like calling me like a sociopath and all these like crazy things. And I was like, that's wild because as much as like Shane had his issues, like I never would like talk about them to anybody else. So I really thought that. That just shows who you are as a person and it only reflects on that person. And that's like a darkness and unhappiness and highly insecure person. Yeah. Who always needs to only talk about others and never like be able to be open about themselves and what they're going through. Because a friendship is like,

You bounce stuff off each other. You're not always going to be perfect, but you're there for each other. Like,

That sucks. Which is, again, then with the Colleen stuff, I think that also shocked me because I was like, okay, this is someone who we have no history. There's no reason. Like, again, the mom connection, right? You're like, oh, our kids got together. They're around the same age. Like, it's perfect. And then to find out, like, this person who I wasn't even close with, right, just, like, sending my nudes to people and talking like shit about me. I was just like, this is what, like, all the while inviting me over to her house and stuff like that. So that's why, like, I really didn't, like, talk to anyone for a while or trust anyone because I was just like...

okay, like this is someone who I thought was like so unproblematic and like whatever. And then it ended up being like so nasty to me for like what? Like why? Was that all? I know obviously it hurt and was like deeply disrespectful. Were those all things that happened recently or was this like kind of like a couple years ago? Um,

A couple years ago. So it was around 2021. It was definitely after she gave birth. Oh, yeah. It was like a month after she gave birth to her first son was at least the ones I saw the text messages that I saw. So I was just like, damn, you just gave birth and you're like, I couldn't imagine like I gave birth two years ago. I gave birth three months ago. And I'm like, I couldn't even imagine like downloading someone's news and sending them to like my little like fan. Like that's so weird.

It's so odd. And that's why I was like, this is, and it was so scary and so violent. I'm just like, oh my God, maybe everyone's weird. So I shut off everyone basically because at that time everyone did reach out and I was like, I'm just shutting off everybody. Yeah. And I still am very that. I'm very distant. Yeah, you're guarded for sure. But it's hard with people who are in the industry, I guess, and have been in the industry and successful for a long time. But it's also like, why? Like that kind of thing, you're just like, but what was the point? Like, what was the point? Again, that's like, as we've seen, it's a darkness. And like, I think like,

life will guide you to the right people and that was a lesson for you to learn again anyways that was a tangent and jimmy can also clean that up because i was like that like full on i guess because like we know so many the same people that was like an over moment i was just like wait why i get like sometimes when i start like i let things go for sure i forget things too sometimes i'll be like not on not not forget things i let things go and then i like don't think of them as bad as they were right like i can be like miss jane but then when i think about it i'm like oh

Like actually. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, it's hard for me because I wasn't like I wasn't ever best friends with anyone. I was somebody's boyfriend and I was kind of grouped into it. So I didn't have like my own one on one, even with you. I didn't have a one on one with you. I didn't have a one on one with Colleen. I didn't have a one on one with Shane. That was a little different because like he made me laugh and like we made each other laugh. I thought you always had to have more of a one on one. No, we didn't text like separately. But you went to lunch. No. Once. Once.

once i mean who haven't i gone to lunch with once you know me well i remember i've never been invited to lunch by daniel yeah more over the recent years i've always reached out though and i've always like supported i would actually argue that in the sense of like yes i met you through joey with joey but like i always thought we were closer that's what i'm talking about that's like that respect that you have for people that a lot of people don't like

Oh, right. You know, like they don't see you as an equal or a peer just because I don't have millions of followers. I'm like, I'm a great person and a great friend and very talented. I just like. I always connected more with you. I would say that in a heartbeat. I mean, you know. Yeah, we have a lot in common and like we can, we'd love to yap and talk and kiki and everything. For me, it's like you coming here would seem very natural because we just talked. And I always say this with like Joey is like, I just feel like we never connected. Even though I like Joey was always nice, but like we never like connected as opposed to like you and me. I feel like we. Right.

I don't know. It's just flowing. Like sometimes you have the flow and sometimes you have to work on the flow and it can come. But yeah, with...

with those people it's it's hard like i was grouped in for a long time yeah and i'm like girl i haven't i don't i haven't even shot a video with this oh right like what people being like so what do you think about it yeah i'm like i literally haven't i don't think of it it sucks it's awful and i've said this before but the fact that i was hounded for so long i i get it yeah but it's just like it's unfortunate i haven't seen this person in years and it's also unfortunate they were always very sweet to me and very kind and like you know there's kindness there but there's also like bullshit

behind the scenes that I don't agree with hence why there's no communication no friendship there never has been yeah it's definitely double edged sword for sure like if you don't talk about it but you like wrote for that person for sure but then why do you have to at that moment I was very protect my peace this was before the podcast I was like I don't want to gossip I don't want to jumble so I was like holding off for so long until I saw that and I was like I gotta go yeah I was like I need to say something because it actually got wild yeah and that was also something that was deeply disrespectful and like

But also to like Johnny right like I know he got a lot of hate from it but I'm like this is actually insanity because I remember confronting her and being like did you ever send this and she was like no he was obsessed with you he would send me pictures. So then when I saw like her friend that's not even public like holding my OF near his face I was like you've been caught girl. Like it was his face next to my OF and I was like and she's like yeah I was like how did I shit told you that's it but you lied like you want to step further and blame this kid that was 20 years old at the time and said that he was being inappropriate and I'm like

It was actually insane. I feel like anyways. But I think it's also like when people start defending those people, then it becomes like a whole other thing where it's like, oh, it's all lies. Like Todrick wrote, like defended her and Jojo and... You defend the people who ride or die for you and have been in... Who are...

You need to stand up for the truth no matter what. Yeah. Like if you love somebody, you can still love them and call them out. And even if it's like done in private, you don't need to publicly defend them. Yeah. There have been many times where I've given advice where I'm like a solid person who's not necessarily involved whatsoever. Yeah. And I love that about myself. I can be some like a rock to people. Yeah. Even behind the scenes. But like I'm not going to lie and publicly defend somebody.

over their actions. That's crazy. Even now with this, and I think Wendy Williams always gave the best quote about it too. She's like, you know, she can't be friends with celebrities, right? Because she talks about them so you can't. So I feel like that with influencers too. There's people that I'm friendly with but like, you know, if someone does some F-ed up shit

You kind of have to say it, right? You have to say it because it's like truthful. It's, you know, you don't want to be inauthentic to your viewers. Right. But at the same time, I always appreciated when like people called me out because even if I didn't mean something right with a trans video, right? At the time, what I was trying to say was like not what was being out there, but just hearing how people like the way you said it, this it's like the honesty is like what you need. Otherwise, I just thought, well,

this is not, that's not what I meant. People know that's not what I meant. Yeah. But I think when you hear people like tell you the truth, it like helps more than. Yeah. You can still love somebody and clock them. And that's like part of a friendship. And I think that's love. It is. It's tough love. Be like actually, because if you're just surrounded by yes people all the time. It's never going to work. It's never going to work. And you know those people who are. And I'm just like, so when I saw people defending her, I was like, well, you can't just say she, everyone lied because mine was clearly not a lie where I got an apology where it's like, well, it's not lies. So you could be like, okay, if

if you love that person you could be like you know she's not a bad person but that was really effed up or some bad decisions okay so you're a Katy Perry stan I am I mean I I have a history with her I got she was my first interview when I worked in radio wait really I didn't know that either okay yeah it was really cool are you a Katy cat

My ears were hung up long ago. Oh, okay, okay. Like, I'm far too, like, removed from that world. Are you critical of her or no? Am I just, like, making this up? Of course I am. Okay. Again, love. I think that's love. But, like, I love pop music. Right. And I adore, like, are you Teenage Dream? Like, six number ones, five number ones. Like, broke record. She's an icon. Can I tell you, I really thought Darren Criss was the originator of that song, for real. Like, actually. I love that. And the way I thought Colorful was Joey Graceffa, I really thought. I mean, I feel like in Trish world, it is. I've lived Darren Criss. You know, number one for, like, years. When people told me it was Katy Perry, I was like, oh my god.

Yeah. Because I'm like I'm pretty vocal about being like I wasn't like a hater but I definitely was never like a stan of Katie. Right. Until I met her and then I was like oh my God I love her. But then of course she got the most hate at the time that I did a music video with her. It's crazy. I mean Teenage Dream is probably one of the best pop records ever. I think ever created. Great song. Yeah. I think Bonnie McKee was on that track who's amazing. I see her all over TikTok. Yeah. She's amazing. Yeah. She's good. Yeah.

But yeah, I got to interview her randomly. She like pulled me on stage in front of 50,000 people and I stayed connected. I actually, I mean, I stayed connected with the team throughout the years and got to go to shows and stuff like that. So I appreciate and like her music and the music video. She's up for the VMA Vanguard Award. Yes. Or she's getting it. It's this weekend, right? Yeah. But she, it's really unfortunate that she decided to work with Dr. Luke. Yeah.

Yeah, I think that's the general consensus. And to her, she was on Call Her Daddy recently and kind of didn't, what was... She skirted around. It was a PR answer, which I get it. Like, no matter what she says, she'll never win.

Unfortunately. But don't you think she could have been like, that was a mistake? Yeah, she could say that. But what if she would just... She could lie and say that. Do you know what I mean? Like, maybe... And I'm giving benefit of the doubt only. Like, I don't know her as a person. I don't write for her just because I was in a music video. I thought she was, like, super nice and stuff like that. But... She's very nice. I think of it as, like, in... Like, maybe...

benefit of the doubt like didn't know the extent of it because I wasn't that familiar I remember when first of all first of all I have to say like I was in the video before the song was ever announced before it came out like obviously I didn't know but at the same time I also didn't know the extent of it I had to like research because I was just like what is who is this person like what it is but you think she's like aware

The thing is, it's hard because social media has, you know, all the knives pointed. The Dr. Luke thing is awful, what's happened in the past. However, I don't think he was found guilty of anything, which is not... I mean, I don't know the full story. I don't know anything. It's such a touchy... This is why I didn't talk about it. It's so touchy. Of course it is. But like, we don't know anything. The public's never going to really know the truth. However, when you see that...

at least on social media, like she knew, she knew what happened. She knew like what his, what the rap was for him online. And there are so many other up and coming creative producers and people in music who she could have worked with and made a lot better music. I'm sure she didn't need to have him on. However, what I don't like is that Dr. Luke works with so many artists still like Doja Cat, Kid LAROI, like all these other hit makers and like,

worked on singles and records and whatever and none of them are getting the level of hate. Yeah, what is with the... Why did she get such a hate train, you think? I think, I mean, like...

you know what a hate train is. Like once people are on, they're like, choo choo, let's go. And also like, I think like they don't, aren't respecting like what she's done in the past. However, just because you're iconic doesn't mean like you can't answer to like what, what's going on currently. Yeah. To just be like, oh damn, that was, yeah. It's, it's, it's ruined the rollout. However, I'm, the album's good. I'm excited. Have you listened to it? I've listened to like eight songs. I like your songs. Yeah. I think they're good. How was filming the music video? I,

I loved it. It was like the best experience ever. That's why I was like kind of sad that the video got so much hate and she got so much hate. It was a big budget. Yeah, it was a budget. It was the first thing I was asked to do in literally 15 years since the Eminem video, which has been like, it's literally 15 years. I was 21 at the time. You shot at the Universal lot on the back lot? It was at Golden Oak. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, which I love. I think we were going to shoot, we took a tour, all the houses. Yes, all the houses. We did so many. We did the Suddenly Seen War there. We've done so many ones. They have no...

Maybe they're Mormons because they have no electricity at night. No, they're all empty. All the houses are... A few of them are shells. But there's... Yeah, but there's no... There's no lights, period, on the ranch. I think you have to bring in your own lighting because we're going to shoot Escape the Night there and you have to bring in all your own electrical. What is that big thing like a generator you have to bring? Yeah, yeah. So when we went back it was like pitch black

And I was like, oh my God, this is so scary. But yeah, I was at Golden Oak and I was like so excited. And the director was this like really young, cool female. Like I didn't even know it was a director. Like I remember she like introduced herself and I literally, because there was a guy that was like doing all the announcements on the microphone. So I just assumed that was the director. But then when the girl introduced herself, I didn't know. She was super sweet. And she's like, oh my God, I've been like a fan for a long time. And then I was like, oh my God, the director of the video. And she was like literally like, I mean, maybe in her early 20s. That's so cool. And was like crushed it and killed it. Yeah. And it was cool. And seeing Katie, of course, was like surreal. I was just like, oh my God, because that's like a superstar, right? Like I...

I, again, I wouldn't say I was like a fangirl at all, you know, but I was just very much like in that moment I was starstruck. I was like, whoa, she's like a star. I was the most experienced ever. My hairstylist who I worked with like years ago, Jesus does her hair. So I got to see him. Yes. He snatches her. So good. I saw him recently. I think we're, he's friends with my friend Gabriel and like we were all, he's so sweet. Oh my God. Yes. I remember, I remember Gabriel's more too. When I did, I did a music video. They all were living in Houston at the time, but they came out and I think Gabriel did behind the scenes of one of my music videos for Superficial.

Red gum. And that's the first time I met Gabriel. It was like 2015. This was like long. I love Jesus. And then Tatiana is her stylist who I met on a shoot and I like love her too. And so like it was cool. It's good to see it all. It was fun. I'm like you where I love being on sets. Like I would love to be on like a TV show or something and

I don't know what it would be. And I feel like, I don't know, but I would love to do set stuff again. Because it's just fun to like be there and like you said, not have to like produce where you're just like the talent. Right, right, right. And people just cater. Like even this is like, in a sense, produce it. We have to give it to the editor. Yeah, of course. We have to make notes and upload and all this stuff like that. But I like just showing up and being like talent. Yeah. It's so much fun. Well, first of many. First of many, I'm sure. Oh, I hope so. It was great. The Weeknd has a new album out. So I was like, if you need someone for the music video, I'm here for it. I'm seeing like West End for you. I feel like you need to do a stint in London for like six weeks.

That'd be me. Bring the fam, have like a little London moment. And like, I mean, Lindsay did it a while ago before like her big comeback. What show? I don't remember, but I wanted to go. Wait, really? Yeah, I'm a big Lindsay stan. I love Lindsay too. So many actors have done it right before they book something like huge.

So I think it could be a good like foray into it and like. Maybe King Richard. Jonathan Bailey's going into King Richard next February. Okay. So if you need someone, I could be a Shakespearean actress. I love that. She's like full. I don't know King Richard. Do you know? I don't know the story. I don't know him personally, no. No.

I don't even know the play when he announced it. I was like, work. No, I know the history of it. Oh, you do? Who is it? I mean, he's King Richard. What did he do? I don't really know that deep, but I know all of them. He's not the one with all the wives. No, I think he was killed. I'm not sure. Us together, we need to prompt her. See, okay, well, because you're so smart and you're in theater too, and I'm like, wait, but I've never heard of this play. I think it's Shakespeare. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to be in it, though. I could also see, like, you know when Wendy did Chicago? Yeah.

Wendy Williams did Chicago. Yeah, when she was Mama Morton. That was crazy. I love it. She did not take it seriously, but I loved it. Oh, I loved it. She's like, when you're good to Mama. Good to Mama. Mama's good.

to you. And people ate it up. Yeah, they ate it up. I would love to be that in Chicago too. I can see that. I mean, I would love to be Roxy. Or any of the roles. No, I wasn't saying her character, but I'm saying like a couple weeks, so you're not on it for like months and months and months. I would love to be on it for months. Like Rosie O'Donnell too. She did a lot of Broadway. She was in Seussical. She was in Grease. She was Rizzo. It's coming. It's gonna come. Keep manifesting on Instagram and let the posts. I feel like that. This is my stride. It was 40s. 40s, a lot of people had their stride. Like Lucy Ball got I Love Lucy when she was 40. Yeah.

Rosie O'Donnell was kind of everything in her like 30s and her I would love to be Rosie in the new Britney biopic that's my pitch that I would love okay I love Rosie O'Donnell so much and all her Britney interviews like

a little bit judgy. She'd be like, you remember? She'd be like, why are you wearing this? What do you mean? Yeah. She's like, no, ma'am. I just, you know. She's like, don't call me ma'am. Don't call me this. I'm like, all right, ma'am. I love her. I know. But that's kind of why she's not on TV now. She was kind of wild back then. But she was kind of everything. What else was on Call Her Daddy that was, oh, did you see the part where she was talking about Orlando Bloom and her love language to him? S-ing D. Yeah, that was wild. Wild, but also like kind of human. Yeah.

Like, yeah. Clean the kitchen, please. But does that have always been her personality? I don't know. No, she's always, she's very funny. Yeah. I think she just like was in such controlled interviews. But like, have you watched a part of me 3D? It's the documentary. No. When I'm telling you that's like, that's the Katie that I know. And like, I've met her a couple of times and she's been very kind in passing, but like that documentary is,

It will just change her view on everything. Like, she's been through a lot. She's worked so hard. I first met her at Warped Tour in, like, 2008 or something. It was right before I Kissed a Girl came out. So maybe it was 2007. I'm not sure. Was this when she did the...

you're so gay song uh i don't know if she may have performed that yeah i mean love that song but now i'm like didn't age well no i know when you look back i was like that's wild yeah uh but it was i think she performed either hot and cold or i kissed a girl and i was like in trance oh my god that was the same time she was kind of debuting with the big album at the same time as gaga and i always leaned more katie because it was like i don't know it's just like more you didn't have to think so much about it it wasn't like candy i'm i'm artistic but i'm not like

Gaga high art in that era. For sure. You know what I mean? I think that's why I never resonated with Gaga. Only in the sense because I don't think I'm like intellectual enough to get it. Right, right. Like the meat statement. I don't know what it was but I know it was a statement. Yeah. I'm like I don't get it. I just love fun pop that makes you feel good and like takes you out of like the depressive episode you're going through. For sure. Like California Girls. Like I just like loved it before I even knew K-Pierre sang it. I was like I love the song. Oh.

but you were saying you know her from, because I know from the documentary, I just see that one clip of her where she literally finds out on text that she's getting a divorce and then she like has to go on stage and she's like crying and like hyperventilating and then she's just like. Yeah, yeah. And I was like. The peppermint dress. Yeah, and it's almost like

like it's very sad but kind of like eerie too that it's like you just have to like literally be like this like yeah you have to put the on switch on yeah and I and that was I just seen that little clip but it makes me do want to watch the documentary because I was like oh there's so much it's really good I think that whole era of pop stars even like Gaga and Katie are like the last generation to be like almost produced characters and

But you saw it was like 50-50. Like you saw still versions of themselves. They can answer questions in an interview. Like I think the Call Her Daddy thing was just like super low key for her. And she was just like, I don't care anymore. I'm literally doing this for fun. And also like to make a dance pop album. Did she talk about her weight loss at all on the Call Her Daddy? I don't think so. Oh, shit. No. What do we think? She was very open.

I don't know. I cannot. Yeah. She was very open because I was like, you look so good. And she's very open with me. Yeah. So I didn't know. I think she also she did the same wellness program that I did. It's a program up in Sonoma, California. I'm just not going to say the name because people can figure it out. But it's a place to go if you've ever had anything going on with like

From your childhood, like childhood traumas, it kind of like helps rewire your brain and set you on a different track and like really like get to those core issues that you're going through. Yeah. Actually, Joey did it as well years and years ago. I think like five years ago. Yeah, they do. So I think like maybe when your life comes to like a culmination and like you're just like,

everything lines up maybe she just like looks great that way i don't know i mean she definitely she definitely like you can tell she's like in her happy space and all that stuff with her daughter and everything that just makes me like so happy for her because i just didn't know much and then obviously when i met her i was like oh i love this whole thing but she was open about a previous relationship like not liking her when she's like in girl boss mode who would never come to her show that was very like yeah i was like that's wild i mean assuming she's alluding to russell brand for sure you can tell he's like wacky

He's even more wackadoo now. Have you seen him lately? Yeah. Talk about cult. Go to his cult. Oh, I don't know. I feel like... I don't know. Supposedly he's not. He looks like he stinks. Like Theo. He is very...

We'll just leave it at that. Spooky. Yeah. Spooky is a good term. Very much so. Speaking of weight loss. Uh-oh. You keep up in general, right? Yeah. So the big one this weekend was Nikocado Avocado. Did you keep up with him? The thing is I've kept up like from –

you know, TikToks and videos and whatever. And I know about them from the past, but I've never watched a full video through because it would make me so uncomfortable in a way. I don't know how people could watch a full, not in any sense that other than it's like, how do you watch like that much of eating like for 40 minutes? I guess he was entertaining. He was like entertaining.

like entertaining I think I saw one way back in the day and then he had like a breath mask or something on and that really scared me and it was like it didn't seem well and I'm like there's way more to this story really so even back then when you saw him did you think of him as like a troll or you thought like he was just this like really unhealthy person I think just like unhealthy mind body soul spirit what do you think now that it's

been an all in act. I don't think that's changed. Really? I don't think it's an act. Because everyone thinks now he's, if you guys don't know, Nikado Avocado, mukbanger. He was originally vegan with his husband Orlin. They used to live in like Columbia. They used to have like a sloth as a pet. Like I watched him from way back in the day. Yeah. We have history. 2016, he made a series of exposed videos about me because he, I'll tell you on this one too, I would take the blame. That's what I'm saying. I,

I just like love people who can take accountability right on their things and I take full accountability on this he was gonna come to California and I was like oh my god we have to collab um so I guess he came and I guess he came when only our collaboration set up and then when he came I it was 2016 it was a rough year I had a lot of rough years and he came and I I guess go

I guess ghosted. I didn't know this term ghosted back then. I'm someone who just stops responding. It wasn't Dave. It wasn't here's my address and then just like you don't hear from me. It was definitely like come to California we'll collab and then he came to California and I just was like scared to like reply. You got nervous. Yeah. I'm someone I talk about this all the time on the podcast and you can tell me your thoughts. I

I love when people just ignore me rather than tell me what the issue is. Right. Like if I go on a date and the guy's like, oh, you're chubbier than I thought. Like I'd rather just just ignore me, just ghost me, block me. You know what I mean? OK. Wouldn't you rather have that? OK. I'm so like if you if you were to tell me something you don't like about me right now or something from the past, I'd be like, let's hash it out. Really? Yeah. Let's keep it moving. Yeah.

We got to work on that, Diva. Because I think it's just nicer. For me, like, oh, oh, oh. For instance, we were asking this influencer to be on the podcast or whatever. And I just assumed she just never replied and ghosted. And then Oscar's like, actually, they did reply. And they said, like, no. And I was just like, even though it was just a no, I still took it so personally. But I'd rather be like, just ghost me as if you didn't see the email or something. Can you believe out the name?

You don't want her. Okay. No. Doesn't, like, I feel like that personality is like a cat, like, only gets along with certain other. Yeah, I found out later that she, like, talked to Zach saying about me and stuff. So I was like, okay, that makes sense. Which is, like, fine. Again, I get why people talk

I get it. So it's like, it's never an issue for me. But it was definitely one of those things where I'm like, I'd rather be ghosted. Of course. Yeah. I mean, because that's so personal too. Yeah. But you have to realize she's also said that about a couple other people, you know? Right, right. Yeah. But with the situation, like, have you ever had a collab fall through where you like, you have it set up and they just like, stop responding? I don't collab with people. So no, but I get it. I've seen it. I remember seeing it in the past. We're like Escape the Night. Like.

Like they just don't show up or something. Oh God. I mean we had so many difficult people to work on on that set. Oh so many. So it wasn't just Gabby. I mean in terms of what Gabby did. Yeah. Yeah it was just Gabby. But there's been unprofessional people. There were people who are like more diva behavior. That's stuff I can handle like in my sleep. Right.

Really? YouTubers? I just don't like when influencers are divas. I think like I get it with celebrities but influencers like I'm sorry at the end of the day you're just like not A-list celebrities. Even if you have more money, more influence, like you're just not Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt or Angela Lee. You know what I mean? It's like you should be so lucky because influencers are only reliant on their audience. Like if Alex Earl has no one following her, brands won't work for her. You know what I mean? So I think it's a complete thing as opposed to like Chapel Rowan who's like just such a techie

talent she doesn't like you know fans show up and stuff like that but she's not reliant on her personality as opposed to me I'm relying on people liking me so anyways when those people have diva attitudes I'm like you're lucky people like you for doing mediocre makeup on YouTube you know what I mean so it's a whole yeah but you know I think people there's a way of saying it without being too blunt you can be like I'm just not available right now or I'm not you know I guess

Yeah. I guess I would just kind of like when you guys never told me that YouTube rejected me you know and I just thought well they didn't want me or something like that. Well also I'm not going to be like hey YouTube doesn't want you like you never asked me straight up so if you had asked me I would have been like. But that's what I'm saying I would never ask because I don't want the rejection. I know. I get it. It's almost

almost like a ghosting thing right I never got asked so I'm like I get it I don't need to know but then I was like it was eating me alive I was like I would like to know I'm sorry well it's not your fault I know it's not but I do hang on to it of course because that's rejection from from a place that you helped create you helped create YouTube to what it is today I think I take it more easily now that I know it's like YouTube that said it rather than like you it would never be us because I was like oh our friends and no ever I'm also that's I'm sorry that you sat with that because that's never ever how it was it is

It is what it is. And guess what? You have your own talk show now.

So here we are. In our basement. It's not a basement. It's the first floor, but I call it a basement. No, but Nick Hato, he made a series of exposed videos. I know that's why this title is like, ooh, do we do exposing Nick Hato? I don't know. But we ended up, but yeah, that was bad. He did come all this way, and I felt bad, and I wish I could make up to him. Maybe I could pay him for that flight. I don't know. He said he flew first class, and he was coming from Colombia and all stuff like that. So he, Mukbang King, he became a Mukbang King. Then we did collab in 2019. We collabed a few times. There, you made it up to him. It was great. And then he got canceled because,

He had this drama with this other YouTuber. Do you know Stephanie Sue? Yeah. Oh, my God. Do you remember that? I did hear about that whole story. Recently or at the time? I recently heard about it, but I remember hearing about it back then, too. So me and Nekohato made up, and I'm like, wow, the internet loves us. This is great. We're on the up and up. Because I was always the villain in this story, which rightfully so. I mean, it was a little crazy. People gave me a lot of hate for ghosting. I get it, but...

We finally became friends. And then that whole stuff with Stephanie Sue happened. And I remember it was kind of like, I remember it was kind of like deja vu, right? She said she like my whole thing. And we don't need to rehash it, but that all happened. And he became like a villain of like YouTube, I guess. He like gained all this weight. But people are saying now he lost all the weight, 250 pounds. He's always said he's two steps ahead. People think he's like this mastermind, right? He's like, it was a social experiment. It was all this, but you're not buying it. No, I roll like, I hope you felt that.

There's no way. First of all, you're mukbanging on YouTube. You're not doing a social experiment. Like, if you were doing that, you'd be like a scientist or something at this point. Like, what is going on? This isn't NASA. We're not at IBM. Like, you did a gag. You got on Ozempic. You lost the weight. You think? You think.

That's a lot of weight to lose. Where's the excess skin? Did you get the skin surgery? Well, you know what? In general, I thought of that. I was just like, where does the skin go when you lose so much weight? I've had friends who have lost it naturally and friends who have been on Ozempic that were like lost maybe 150, 200 pounds naturally.

You need to get that surgery. So the skin's loose. Yeah. It can't ever go back in tight. No. I don't. Not that I'm fully aware of. I want to say. I think Shane was open about talking about this. Because I don't think he ever talked to me personally. I think he got the skin removal. Like his skin removal. Didn't he always wear like compression shirts that like held everything in? I think. But I think he got. Well I think that's what Nick is doing now. That's what I think. Oh.

He's wearing the compression. I think under his t-shirt there's like either a buddy suit or something. I didn't watch enough of the video to see like that. I actually didn't know that either. I didn't know. But I also saw him like kind of jumping around and I didn't see anything like even with the shirt and stuff. Yeah, or his thighs I feel like could be a tell. Like if I lost weight, where would all my skin go? I don't believe it. There's no, I don't think anybody. You don't think it was a plan? No, because then there would be a whole series like follow my journey. Maybe there will be. Maybe something will come out. Follow my journey. Where's like the Discovery Channel series or something like that. You know what I mean? What if it was?

Then I would believe it being smart. But yeah, is it like even that genius to be like the, what is the social experiment? He said something about parasocial. You pre-filmed a bunch of videos. Right. I'm like, okay, well he's like the parasocial relationship. I'm like, but that's,

That's always been a given. Yeah. So I don't know what the expose on that would be. Or even the fact that like, oh, people like you when you're skinny. That's also a known thing that's been out there. I mean, the sky is blue. Like that's what it is. Right. I remember when I was chubbier, I had less friends. Like in middle school. Wait, were you chubby in school? Middle school, high school, I was like five foot eight until sophomore year. And then I shot up and all of a sudden I'm popular and captain of the swim team. Wow.

Right. And now him, his TikToks are getting 60 million views, 70 million views of him literally just like jumping around being skinny. Yeah. I was like, first of all, it's iconic in the sense I've always thought that. I'm going to say I might have had this conversation. Well, I won't say who, but well, you can bleep it. I think when we were, we did a video together in like 2000, when I knew you, so like 2021 or something like that. And he's like, you know, but like.

for him to have a comeback if he lost a bunch of weight. People would, you know, people tend to like cheer you on. So like people are saying that with Nick Acato, right? That he lost all his weight and everyone's really excited for him. So then there's always people like, well, don't forget he's also this bad person. But I think when you have a physical transformation like that, people do respect it more, I guess, respect you more because all of a sudden people are like hyping up. Not to say he's not. I do think

I'm like you where I'm just going to share my personal experience where I'm like, he was always very nice to me after the whole thing and he seemed very smart and intelligent. So I'm not saying he's like this bad person. Um, I would love him on the podcast. I'm just, I have so many questions. Like you said, like how, why, like, were you interested? Like,

him gaining so much weight. Like maybe that was for a reason because why else would somebody want to do that? It can't be money alone. No, I mean, I think the delivery of it as well just did not come off genuine to me the way that you're trying to get like you're using the sound from a previous video and trying to have these viral moments instead of like somebody who's been through that is like it's a trauma for a body to go through. Oh, you're saying the weight loss. Yeah, and just the delivery of everything just seemed like...

There was like a hint of malice there. Like, ha ha ha, I won. Like, this isn't a competition. Yeah, maybe. You know what I mean? But do you think he's trying to get like a show maybe? Like he is trying to be like this villain, like I'm going to be in a show. Possibly, but I think times have moved on from that. I think this is the flash in the pan. Really? Yeah, I think it'll... Like, I'm sure it'll launch a different part of his career and his life, but...

I don't know. Like, is he going to give weight loss advice? Like, is he going to become Richard Simmons? You know what I mean? Right, right, right. But I guess still, like, yeah, when he was even bigger, he was, was he this character the whole time? I would have to say yes, probably, because you remember he would do those ones. He's like, I'm fat. And he'd be so angry. That was so scary. Those were scary. But that was like, when we do our mukbangs and I look back, I'm like, he was completely like normal. So I'm like, I have to wonder, is that a character? Was he always trying to, was this his plan to be like,

I just think when you do a dramatic transformation weight loss like that, it is shocking and it gets the views and the attention. Right. Were people watching the videos over the past two years? Like actually like on YouTube? Yeah, I think they were doing pretty good. They seem to have like 400 to 500,000. Well, he disappeared for seven months and people had speculated that he was going to lose weight, but then he started posting videos again and like, oh, he didn't. But those were, I guess, pre-recorded.

So everyone thought he lost 250 pounds in seven months, but I guess he said he hasn't made a video in two years. But he's back to doing mukbangs. His first one back was like a noodle one, and then he just did one with Hungry Fat Chick with Outback Steakhouse. So I was like, okay, is he going to gain it back or is he going to teach people? It might be, actually, because he had the bag in front of him. Oh. And he did look snatched. He looked good. It might have been. I love an Outback Steakhouse. Maybe the truth is somewhere in between. Yeah. You know? And I don't see it. I think it's just like...

Storyline. You don't think it's gonna... I think he's producing it. Like, he's making it seem for something that it isn't. But just like 15 million views on the first video back and 3 million views after that. That's wild. Like, it is crazy. And our people just...

I guess it's just the transformation that's so shocking. I think they're enamored but I think it's entertaining and clearly you see it by the views. Yeah. You know? I think it was like that too. I remember when Anna Nicole Smith lost a bunch of weight and everyone was like shook. I know. They were like oh my gosh. R.I.P. Anna. I know. I love her so much. I love her too but also like it is like when you look back at Anna Nicole season one it's like she really wasn't even that big. No. She's a tall girl too and I was like she wasn't an

You know what? F Howard Stern. I went on America's Got Talent to talk to Howard Stern and I used to love him. But like watching him actually like just totally degrade Anna. Did you ever see that clip when she was on his show? I did, of course. And he's trying to get her on the scale. And she's like, well, why? Weighing her. And she's so like kind and sweet about it. Like she doesn't even snap or anything. Like it was... Oh, she was so sweet. He's like, but why are you wearing those clothes? She's like, I like the way I look. Like whatever. And he's like, get on the scale. And she's like, no. And I...

oh man I kind of actually hate Howard Stern after that I used to like love Howard Stern but that's how like conditioned I was as like a kid to be like oh a man and he oh if he thinks you're hot and attracted then that's the end all be all and then

Honestly, I think when I started to realize how awful he was to Anna, but I was conditioned to love Howard Stern, I realized how warped the system is and how we're looked to idolize these men and stuff and give them so much power. But I love that it's not the case anymore, that misogyny is coming to an end a little bit. Yeah, I mean, it's always going to be there for women, for sure. Also, you know Anna Nicole lived in Marilyn Monroe's house in Brentwood?

No, I didn't know that. And did you know that I broke into Marilyn Monroe's house? Wait, what? Why? Okay. I was 17. No, I had just turned 18. Right before my second semester started, I had to do a story on something. It was like my historical studies class at Northeastern. And I'm like, I love Marilyn Monroe. Loved her since I was a kid. First, like, Some Like It Hot was like one of the first movies I remember seeing. A little problematic this day, though. A little problematic, but also like, what's his name? It's the 50s.

Tony Curtis. Curtis. Like they're so funny. Yeah. So I take my brother's I.D. My brother was in war in Iraq, like had given me his I.D.,

or no maybe it was katrina it was something around there he gave me his id and was like we kind of look alike like in case you need to like get anything in boston or whatever oh okay yeah like go out so i'm like okay i'm going to wait what does he do uh he was in the military oh yeah but you're saying if you need anything in boston oh like if i needed to like go to a party or get alcohol or whatever like because i was underage got it so i buy a plane ticket i go to la i'd always want to go i stay at the banana bungalow on

in San Vicente, I think, in Hollywood. It's a hostel. But it's like for students. It's chill. It was like $20 a night. And I start writing a story. And I start going to Marilyn Monroe's where she was buried. And I'm like, I'm going to go to her house.

And at this time, it was owned by the Anna Nicole Smith Trust. Nobody was there. Nobody lived there. Oh, my gosh. She had long passed. Anna Nicole or Marilyn. Yeah. This was back in 1962. No. No. So I go to the house at like 6 a.m. in Brentwood. And I'm just like writing a story, what the house looks like and like the history and whatever. I jump the gate. I sit by the pool. I'm there. Early morning, the dew's on the ground. And I'm like...

Like, I can feel, like, an energy here. It was so crazy. Like, what energy? It just felt like somebody was there. Is the one she passed away in Maryland? Yeah. And it's all, like, all natural now. It's a historical building. The new owners tried to knock it down, but the historical society...

didn't allow that which is crazy oh yeah more oh i know nicole's house was for sale the one she filmed the the thing in studio city yeah she filmed and i oh god i wanted to buy that so but it wasn't that long ago maybe 10 years ago or something it was up for sale and it wasn't that much it's like a couple million because i don't think there was a pool or it might have been small and it was oh my god i wanted to buy the house so bad i would have been like oh just to be i mean this literally is in nicole's bedroom that's like what we had like i love do you know bobby trendy yes have you seen him i remember him from the show who was

song that said they knew Bobby Trendy was it Sloan and I was like wait I love this everyone knows Adam Lambert or Bobby Trendy and I was like I love it that this is the thing I need to get on it Adam Lambert's on Broadway right now as the MC I'm gonna try to see him full circle from the beginning maybe could hit him up do you remember when we made

Remember when we made out back in... Hey, remember when we made out at Club Le Bon at the Standard in New York City? Do you think he remembers? Probably not. He was definitely drunk. How do you remember? Oh, you weren't drunk. I wasn't drinking. I'm not a big drinker. I never got it. My dad's an alcoholic and I never wanted to get it. So I have like one sip of a Cosmo and I'm like, I'm ready to go. Oh, man. You know, I got drunk for the first time this weekend. I haven't been drunk in an accident. Oh, yeah. I'm like, ever? Yeah. No, no, no.

No, but I never was a drinker. I was always a druggie. I think I like drugs more. You know what I mean? Right, right. But I never, I just don't love the taste of alcohol. I always think it tastes like gasoline. I like pina coladas. But also, you can give me a virgin one and an alcoholic one. To me, I'm like, it's the same thing. Yeah, I can taste a little bit. Like margaritas, I can taste a little bit. I like a virgin margarita, virgin daiquiri. But I had two lemon drops. I don't even know what's in a lemon drop. I had two and I was just like, I had to calm down. I think that's like essentially a martini with like lemon liqueur. Like it's a lot of vodka, I think. God, I had two and I was like...

I like came. I fell asleep. It was like lunch too. I was like at lunch and I had – it was literally down the street at the Four Seasons and I like hadn't was going to get me because I was literally like – it was like two minutes away. I fell asleep at 4 p.m. and woke up at like 11 a.m. the next morning. I was just like, did I get roofied? Like what happened? It was actually wild. I forgot everything. I think that's when we were watching The Mormon Wives. I remember I like came home and I was like – and I was like watching it and I was just like I couldn't focus on anything. I don't think Mormons drink. I don't think so either. No, they don't. They don't drink. Oh, they don't.

thing because on the show they can't have coffee in the morning because they can't have caffeine so they get those dirty sodas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever had those? I did. I actually had a brand deal with what's the company that makes the creamers? That brand. It's like they make the like Fruit Loop ones. Peppermint or peppermint? Yeah, it's something. Is it peppermint?

I don't know. No, I don't think it's my favorite. It's something, but it's like that weird. I had a brand deal years ago before it was like, it was just emerging as a trend. And I'm like, wait, how is it still a thing? It's like a whole thing there. Like putting it in Dr. Pepper or something like that. Yeah, and the soda. They have whole like soda shops that give you like dirty Dr. Peppers or something like that. I love that. You have to try it. Yeah. The hater thing. Can we talk about-

Yes. Do you know her? Are you friends with her? We've met. She sent me product in the past, but I don't know her personally now. But this whole situation is just like... What do you think about it? The Dramageddon getting... First of all, I was so out of it in Dramageddon in 2019. I don't remember any of it. So me and Oscar just redid a whole deep dive on Patreon where we watched it from the beginning and I'm like shook by all of it. Yeah. Do you remember it? Were you in it? Oh, I sure do. I was not in it. I was like an outlier because I had like obviously friends who were in it. In Dramageddon 2. Yeah.

Wait, what was the first one? I think the first one was your friends, like Laura and Manny. And then two was... This was Tati versus James. Oh, yeah. I was involved. And then Shane and Jeffrey. I was never involved in any of them, but as somebody who was a friend in the first part...

And Jeffrey had his assistant at the time reach out to me because I had known her years before and said, we'd love to have you and Joey come over to the house to shoot a collab. And I'm like, I don't know you like that. Like at all. Oh. We've never even met. I think we met once at VidCon. I'm like, you're trying to get somebody who's close to these people. Oh, when it was happening? To like stab the knife in the stomach. What was Dr. McGinnis one? I have no idea what that was. I don't even know. And I don't care. I didn't know.

it was all them flicking off the camera. It was silliness, whatever it was. Was it silly? I have no idea. I mean, who knows? But that was dealt with. But I'm like, that's so weird. Like an older man to be like, like what? Are they all the same age? Isn't it like? No, I think Jeffrey's in his 40s. No, he's like 38 or 39. He's like a couple years older. Okay. I'm going to say 40. Okay. I don't think he's 40. Anyways, regardless, it's like, it was weird. I'm like. So did you go? No. Oh my God. I thought I would never come back. I'd be like, like poof. But Beth,

But back then, I feel like the collabing was, like, very normal. Like, everyone collabed. I guess, but it was so weird because, like, we're not, like... We had our stuff fulfilled from the same warehouse for a brand at the time. Oh, I remember. And merchandise. But, like, I designed everything myself. It wasn't, like...

You know, I worked with the design team to do it. They were just fulfilling the orders. But I thought it was very odd. However, this, like, I feel like brought everything back up again. The Tati. Yeah. So she was on Michelle Phan, which is, like, so crazy. Michelle Phan was supposedly, allegedly in a cult, like, two years ago. Yeah, crazy. She's very rich. Is she? She sold her beauty brand for, like, $100 million or something. Wow.

Yeah. So why is she having me back on the podcast? I don't even know the name of it. I don't know what products they have. Wasn't it like M, like E-M or M-E? Oh, E-M Cosmetics. M Cosmetics. And then it's like Angular or something. Yeah, it was kind of everything I remember at the time. I've never heard of it. I've never seen the products out.

I thought, Rich, like, why come back and make a podcast about drama? Bored. I would go, like, I don't know. I would do something. Go on a family trip or something. Would you do? Go on a family trip. Like, go on vacation. Oh, yeah. For sure. I'm not going to start a podcast. I'm disappearing. But maybe if you have nothing, like, maybe you want to be in the limelight. Maybe you have a new product launch coming up. Do you think she would? Yeah. Well, Tati's back. I don't think she was promoting anything. Yeah.

off of the interview I was very like oh I felt for Tati but then she kind of lost me when she brought the drama back up and was like I don't want this drama and I was like well then why are we talking about the drama I think you need to take responsibility for what you did and she's in her 40s she's in her 40s yes for sure the other late 40s I don't know whatever 40s yeah

You're an adult. You're hanging out with a 17-year-old child. Yeah. To blame it on this person or blame it on another person. You know who you're hanging out with. You know what you're doing. Yeah. You made your bed. Sleep in it, sis. No, for sure. You know what I mean? Like...

sad like watching John McGatty and I was kind of like damned and even in this one she's very clear about like oh he was 17 pursuing me I'm like let's listen to that that's very weird honestly how dare you yeah and I feel like that's the problem and we see it a lot on the internet like people blaming the younger person or like thinking they're weird or something like that and I was like that's

not weird it's like you're the one weird then that you thought it was weird but then pursued it and used it and just be honest about it be like I was acting weird I saw this kid who was about to blow up and I wanted to I wanted to be a part of that you know that coin yeah for sure like again yeah honesty goes so long and I feel like I hate when people can't own up to their part of it because there's always two sides what is it seven years later six years later it is crazy and like that's what's frustrating I was like at least own up to it a little bit you know what I mean um and that yeah that was

unfortunate but you know like you said maybe there's something new coming out a new product I guess some people grow some people don't and some people just want to get back into it that's what scares me I'm like oh my god I don't want to be the drama forever you know what I mean because it's like I know I'm not one of those people about ages like you know drama can be at any age but it's like I don't want to be a real housewife at 50 and just like

No, you won't. Throwing my drink or... There are so many things happening. Or am I going to be a tati? Am I going to go on Shane's podcast in five years and talk about drama from... Please don't. Don't do it. No. Talk about conspiracies. No. You're the one with the podcast now. You have the mic. Literally. Any final...

Words of wisdom, how you're doing. Have you been on full coverage yet? Yeah, a couple times. Oh, you have. Okay. Yeah. I think I'm like a three-time returning guest co-host. Are you the most popular on there? I think so. Yeah. People love your dynamic. I mean, we just have a good banter. Like we have, we're just chatting, you know? Yeah. And we both give.

Yeah. And so from here, you're going to Italy. I go to Italy tonight. I'm so excited. I'm going to be I have a shoot in Rome. I have a work thing in Rome. A shoot? I have a fragrance campaign in Rome. Wait, for your own fragrance? No, my second one. So I. Wait, your second one? My second fragrance campaign. For who? For a brand. But you're in it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm the model.

for what can you say or no do not look at my instagram ever i mean i've been the face of a lot of things because i've i modeled since i was in college like i had a hugo boss campaign for two years um i did a fragrance with um a face of um i did campaign for amouage which is a gorgeous it's from dubai actually i think or the middle east you're gonna model in italy yeah oh my it's just a quick shoot i mean it's a social it's a it's a campaign

Yeah, but like people who get brand deals, they're not like being the face of it. Like on the box and stuff like that. I mean, it's also a social thing. It's not like plastered everywhere. Oh my God, but that's still iconic. But it's like my own thing. I'm doing a thing with...

God, what's that company? I forget. Anyways, I have like – I'm shooting a bunch of content out there. Thank God. I'm taking my number one hater series abroad. We're going to do Italy. We're going to do a bunch of restaurants. Then I'm working with Virgin Voyages. I'm doing a cruise with them and doing a TikTok series with them as well. Wow. And then I'm finishing a couple things I'm writing out there. Oh my – that is amazing. And it's like, you know, you always hear about the modeling industry and being like if you're not like 20 years old, you're like too old to model. Like the fact that you're still doing this like is actually – I mean, stop. Stop.

still do it i feel like i've just come into my own yeah and like you're like lucky blue smith over here just no no it's it's it's not it's also a totally different world of like runway modeling i did that when i was 20 but this is just like social campaigns and it's still an honor i did when i was like i did in new york when i worked for i did new year fashion week and everything but i was like would you not do it anymore no now i'm too old i think

No, I think the Ralph Lauren one. I think Lucky was just in it. Yeah. Isn't he? I'm sure he's the same age. I feel like he's, yeah. I think he's a couple years younger, but I don't know. He's runway walking. I like doing my own thing and like I'm not on that level. I would love to do a runway. Liza Koshy was just on a runway. Was she? Like yesterday she was on one for something. She's really short. She's really short, which is like, wow, that's why. Good for her. It was her first one. She's crushing it. Her and Emma, they're like just everywhere doing everything. I love her Vogue interviews. I think they're so good. They are so good. I know Liza was the original and then I guess Emma's doing it now.

I want you to be on the Met Gala carpet interview. I can imagine. It would be so funny because everybody's so boring and like deadpan on that carpet. I'm like, you would bring like laughs to it. I would love it so much. I'd get my dress design. Wasn't H&M doing dresses this year? And I was like, that's random.

Fashion Nova does my dress at the Met Gala. I love that. A million dollar campaign. Yeah, that'd be everything. I'm available. I'd love to go to the Met. Maybe we'll be there together. Maybe we'll see each other there. Remember that year they brought all the influencers and they kind of flopped and they never invited influencers again? Not that the influencers flopped. Yes, I remember. That's the problem. It was bad. But I'm not saying I'm any better. Well, it's also up to the designers to what you wear, which is unfortunate. Yeah.

Like the designers pay for the seats at the table, which is like $15,000 a pop per person at a table. I think there's 10 people at a table. So that's what, like 150 grand per brand. And then they put you in whatever they want. Like you don't have a choice. Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. I know. For the most part. I believe that's how it normally works for like the attendees. I wonder what the theme will be next year. Who knows? I like fashion. I'm into it. I don't wear any fashion. I want like a musical theme one day.

That'd be so... Everybody from a different musical. Then you would have to be at that one. I feel like people would love that. Yeah. Like Hollywood would love it. Yeah, that would be real camp to me. Oh, yeah. Because the campier flop for sure. That was bad. I love a camp, but... I'm back in November, which is crazy. Oh, my God. What?

and everything i know you can't even talk about what you're going over there for no i can't i'm working on a book right now and i'm super excited i think that's gonna be so exciting you told me this and i was like this is this is i'm proud of it it's like you know you find that one thing that's like you just need to do that you're gonna do and it's like your heart that's like where i'm at well you're like absolutely glowing like this is like so as soon as i saw you i was like oh my god this is the daniel i love you had the coziness you had your good vibes and even though your hat says hater i

I know that you're a lover for life. So you guys, we're going to go do Crumble Cookie Review. Your TikTok is just Daniel Prater, Mr. Prater. Mr. Prater. Mr. Prater. Love it. Number one hater approved. Yes. Thank you for having me. It was just Trish. Was this number one hater approved? It's always been approved. I'm so happy. Thank you for having me. Thank you for coming to fill in. Thank you guys for watching and we'll see you in the next one.

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