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You know what he is. I mean, he's so prolific. He's very competitive. And I admire his attention to detail. Today's guest is one of a kind, Mr. Morgan Wallach. I'm up for that.

Yeah, dude, good to see you, bro. Good to see you, too, man. Yeah, it's awesome, man. What's been going on? Yeah, my mom was visiting for my birthday. We went to the Opry. You did? Yeah. Cool, man. It was cool, dude. Trace Adkins. Did she come up here a lot or no? No, she hadn't been here since I moved here. It was your birthday? Yeah. Oh, happy birthday. Yeah, thanks, man. When is your birthday? Two days ago, March 19th. Okay, cool. So...

Yeah, my parents are in town as well, but I'm trying to get them to move here, so. Oh, you are? Yeah, I'm working on that. That's been going on for the last few weeks now, so we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, dude, your dad's so funny, dude. Yeah, he's the man. He's unreal. Dude, because we went on, what was, we went with, is it Morgan Wallen, the foundation, Morgan Wallen Foundation? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, up there in the Greenville area. Yeah. Yeah. During the flood stuff? Yeah, during Hurricane Helene, yeah. And your dad came and.

it was awesome, man. They had the food truck. They had, you know, they were doing food drives and I met some people up there and visited the houses and stuff. That was awesome. Yeah, yeah. That was a cool day, man. It was good. I wish we did stuff like that more often, you know? I guess we could, but.

Well, I think that's why, I mean, you have a foundation that can do it when you're not able to do it. For sure. But yeah, I agree with you. It feels like... It feels good to actually get out and do it yourself. You know what I mean? Yeah. It can be a little stressful. You know, you got to keep it timed up right to where you're not sticking around in one place too long and all that stuff. You know, you got to be a little tactful about it, but it's...

It's good. Yeah. And Tony Vitello, is that his name? Mm-hmm. Yeah, dude. He came out. He's the best. Yeah, he's cool too, man. Dude, he's cool. He always helps with stuff involving our foundation and we stay in touch on a regular basis. Y'all do. Yeah. I tried to invite him to a bracket the other day. I was like,

you're probably not allowed to do this, are you? He said, no. Okay. All right. I'm in that bracket, man. Yeah, I tried to invite him into that bracket. You and me are tied right now. I think we're in first. Yeah, we are. I saw that. I checked this morning. Dude, yeah, one thing that was crazy about your dad, though, he was fasting every

Whenever we're doing that, he'd been on a 40-day fast. Yeah, he's done that for as long as I can remember. I remember him, when I was growing up, he would just go and stay out in the wild, in a tent or something, and just drink apple juice or something. I'm like, dude, how is this possible? That doesn't sound like fast. That sounds like hiding from your wife. Yeah, he needed some space. Didn't have enough money to get a trailer or something.

But that was, I just didn't, because it was crazy because I'd just been looking into fasting because people say it like, if you fast, it'll help like eat away the cancer cells that are in your body. So when he was like, I've been on 40 days. Well, they say that, that only takes like a couple days to do that, what you're talking about, right? Yeah. Like if you fast for a couple days, it'll do that. Yeah. I think. Yeah, yeah, no, that's what I hear. Once you get past 48 hours. Yeah, I think what he was doing it for was spiritual purposes. Yeah. That's what he used to do it for and that's probably what he's doing it for now.

Yeah, a team of researchers from MSK has shown for the first time that fasting can reprogram the metabolism of natural killer cells, helping them to survive in the harsh environment in and around tumors while improving their cancer-fighting ability. But it just blew my mind. I was like, God, this dude's on 40 days. Put this dude back in the Bible. Yeah, I mean, dude, I don't understand how that's physically possible. You know, I pretty much have been, for the last little while, fasting until—

I'll do my workout and like everything in the first part of the day without eating. Yeah. But I can't imagine going a whole day without doing that, to be honest. He's got some bandwidth on him, man. Yeah, he's a pretty strong-willed guy. He's always so chipper, dude. Yeah, I'd love to get to hang out with him. And he would tell stories from like being in the military and stuff. Some of that stuff is bonkers. Oh, yeah, some of that stuff ain't going to be repeated on here. Yeah.

He makes me look calm. Dude, that's the crazy part. You start talking to him, you're like, oh, well, some of this checks out. For sure it checks out. We don't need a DNA test in this family. But you said they're moving down here? Yeah, I'm trying to get them to. We'll see how it goes, but I'm working on it. I've been talking to him about it for a while.

But, you know, just somebody uprooting their entire life to come somewhere. But me and my sister live down here. It's a tricky, you know, it's always tricky getting stuff like that to happen, but we're working on it. Yeah, that's a lot, man. Is it, I know you have a son, Indio. Indio, yeah. His name's Indigo, but I call him Indy. Indy, right. What's that been like, dude? Because that's been probably one of the biggest things in your life, I'm sure. I mean...

outside of your i mean like yeah that's crazy yeah i think i don't even know how to ask that i think it just gets better and better as you know the older he gets i mean it's always been cool but you know when he's he's four years old now he'll be five this year just a personality that keeps coming out and the relationship that you build you know and he's he's got a little he's got a little sass on him like he's got a he's got a little attitude you know which is i like i like that spunk you know like that uh yesterday my dad was telling him uh

he was trying to get him to eat it's a it's kind of a task to get him to eat to sit still long enough to eat you know and my dad was like hey man if you don't eat i'm gonna put you in put you in the bedroom you gotta go to sleep or whatever you know i don't know exactly what my dad said to him but he looked at my dad and he said i don't want you to stay here anymore

But I just, I mean, like, it's just hilarious, you know. And you're behind your dad. You're telling him, like, tell him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just anything to keep him rocking. But he's a sweetheart. Is he? Yeah, oh, yeah. He's almost too sweet. He's too nice to everyone. Like, people he doesn't know. Yeah. Like, hey, man. Yeah.

We don't like everybody, man. We don't know these people, man. Stranger danger, baby. Yeah, yeah. So I'm trying to teach him a little bit of that. He's wild, definitely. He emailed me the other day asking me to send him some Zens. I was like, dude, you got to. Yeah, I couldn't believe he figured out how to get a hold of the iPad like that. I'm not really big on letting him sit around with an iPad, but I guess he got my nieces or something.

She probably had him send, or he probably had her send the email, you know? Hey, Haven, type this out for me. Threes or sixes? Does he? Yeah, does he have a three?

I just downgraded to the threes, man. I'm weaning myself off. Are you? I don't know. I might just be putting two in. That's just a little bit of mouth math, homie. But you'll see a dude with like 11 threes and I'm like, bitch, just get a damn 20 or something. That's like Andrew. Oh, yeah. Your cousin? Yes, yes. He'll have a multitude in there.

He's only on the citrus though. He's hilarious, dude. Well, I'll ask you about him in a little bit, man. All right. What did your son have like a favorite song ears or anything? Yeah. It's a song that's not out yet. Like this, this album, right. That I've been working on. This is the first time where he's, it seems like he's really starting to put two and two together, you know? Yeah. Um,

I would come home after I'd been writing and I'd show him songs this time. This is the first time that he's ever cared. There's a song called Eyes Are Closed on my record. I brought it home that night. We wrote it that day and took it home that night. I wasn't really playing it for him. I just had it kind of played in the background because it was my first time hearing the demo of what we had just done that day. He was in the background and he kind of moseyed on over there and started being like, ooh, what's this? Then after it was done, he said,

I like that song, daddy. Really? And it was like the first time he had ever done that, you know? So it was a special moment for me, something I'll never forget. And he said, play that again. Oh, that's cool. And I was like, yeah! This song's a hit for me no matter what, you know? So that was the first time I had really seen him

Like all those You know dots Start connecting Yeah I bet that's special For a while He thought that Soul by John Michael Montgomery He thought that was me singing He thought He was like Play daddy's fast song He called it the fast song And he thought He thought that was me singing I said damn man

I mean, that dude sounds pretty good, but come on. He's just bidding on pigs at his daycare? Yeah, probably. Well, I went down to the ground to county. Yeah, he called it the fast song, and I finally broke it to him. I said, that ain't me, dude. Oh, yeah, and the email he sent me, he's like, yeah, you need to listen to my father's hit, Cotton Eye Joe, as well. Well, we are from Knoxville, you know. He's seen that sign a few times.

That checks out, man. As you make more music, so the new album, I'm the Problem. As you make more music, because you have been so prolific, I think that's the word. What does prolific mean? I think that's the right word, too. Okay. But I don't know if either one of us should be. If there were the dictionary, guys. Yeah, dude. It's like a lot. Producing much fruit.

producing much fruit foliage or offspring actually it says I ain't been that prolific in that term but yeah presenting one plentiful it says

Producing many works. But does it get tougher to like, okay, how do I have, do I not have a song that sounds, that's similar to a song I previous had? Because when you have so many songs, does that get a little bit tough or what's that like? Yeah, I think it does, you know? Like, has there been a great song that's like you guys have put together and then you're like, oh man, it's just a little too close to this or?

Well, for this album, I feel like I just didn't let it get to that point. At least if I was a part of writing it. I think I can't remember exactly how many ones I was and wasn't a part of writing. But if a song came in as a pitch, I kind of knew immediately. I was like, oh, these people are writing. This might have made my last record. Maybe. Maybe.

Probably not, but, you know, it's like that's what it felt like to me. Right. A lot of the pitches were that. Yeah, because I guess people are just going, they don't know where your next step is and who you are. There was a select group of writers that I kind of, you know, told a little bit what I was trying to accomplish, you know, and I feel like that really helped me find a certain one of the sounds that's on my record.

But for me, when I'm writing, you can kind of tell from the idea almost if the song is going to be similar or not. And that was something that was tougher for me because a lot of the things that were successful and that were easy in the past were just like,

drinking, you know, like all that stuff. And I've kind of just almost explored every angle of that. That's possible. You know, like there's still, there's still some possible ways to get, get that in there. But I tried to, I tried to dig deeper, man. And, you know, and I, and I, a lot of my guys that I write with, we kind of kept a,

At least for me, when I was writing, we kept five or six guys. We didn't always write together, but that kind of core group of guys, we all just had a good sense of what we were shooting for and just trying not to say the same thing that I've said before and incorporating new things. So I feel like it was harder. I had to work harder. Yeah? What do you mean, like find a new angle? Yeah, just finding new angles and just thinking up ideas. And there's...

Or just maybe somebody had an idea and they brought it in and I'm like, well, that's pretty good. But like trying to find a way to make it work.

different, you know, like it would sounds like that would idea would have been on the last record, but maybe I can flip this or flip that into making it something that's more unique, you know, so just trying to dig deeper and not just not just saying, oh, yeah, not just being content with something, you know, yeah, easy. Yeah, just digging deeper. And because you can kind of Yeah, it's funny. I was talking to Charlie handsome the other night. I'll do that guy's bro him and Marissa is that is Marissa. Yeah, Marissa. Yeah, bro. There

They're hilarious, bro. They are hilarious. She's so funny, dude. She kind of keeps them in check, I feel like. The pairing, both of them...

Because he's so kind of rough around the edges. Maybe that's not a crazy thing to say about him. No, definitely not. I think he'd probably agree with that. Yeah, he's just so real. He's a pretty blunt guy. Yes. Pretty blunt. Yes, he is. Which I've always loved that about him. When he first got to town, I guess that was probably, we wrote, if I know me, I mean, I had to be either 17 or 18 when I first met him. Wow.

And 2017 or 18, not when I was 17 or 18 years old. But, you know, he kind of, I think he came from L.A. So he had like this, I don't know, I guess it's different out there, you know. It seems like it's like a dick measuring contest out there a lot. Yeah.

Well, people are probably, yeah, that could be true. And I think he had brought a lot of that mindset to Nashville, you know? And whenever we were first writing, I'm like, hey, man, you ain't got to be like that, you know? It ain't like that here. Yeah. You know, so we just...

And I would give him a hard time when he would be acting like that. I'd always, you know, talk shit and stuff. So we just became instant friends, like that kind of friend. I can see that 100%, dude. Yeah. What did I say? Oh, he'd gotten married, right? And his wife one night, I think she probably had a cocktail or two and invited me to their wedding, right? Yeah. And I had to work that weekend. But I saw pictures you went. I think Hardy went. It looked like a good time. I mean, it was a beautiful wedding, man. I mean, really, really beautiful. It was on an island somewhere. Yeah, an island marauder. It was like, you know, you heard of that show Bloodline?

Oh, yeah. It was that compound where that was filmed. Oh, damn. So it was legit. God. Yeah, but... And then so when I saw him, I said, hey, man, I'm sorry I couldn't make it to the wedding. He's like, well, you know, we weren't really expecting you there. Yeah. I don't know if they... I was in the damn wedding, and I don't know if they was expecting me there. I showed up about an hour before it was supposed to start and left before it was over, but I...

I was proud to be there, man. It was cool. I really appreciated it. It was cool. But he's just like, look, man, we don't super know each other that good, he said. Right. But it was so like just the realest shit ever. He's like, and if we become better friends and, you know, and that happens, then yeah, man, I'd expect you to be at my, you know, if I get divorced or if I do a renew of the vows. I'd expect you to be at my divorce and now. Yeah.

Dude, it was just like... And I was like, dude, you're so right. I was like... And it didn't make me want to get to know him more because it was like just cutting through the bullshit. I love that. That's a definite... That's an accurate way of describing him. Which I think is probably what makes him a good songwriter too because it's like you got to... Like if you... Too much bull... It's like if you can cut through the bullshit... Well, yeah. He'll definitely tell you like...

Or if you're on something, he's like, man, that sucks. I feel like I have a pretty good gauge of what's good and what's not, but it's nice to have another person in the room who will tell you straight up. Because especially when you do get to this level, people sometimes don't check you the way they should. They'll just let you rock with it and whatever. Damn, dude. No, it's just interesting to hear you say that. I had a guy a few years ago. I had taken out a guy. We went to lunch and

We're both, he's married and we're both straight, but we went and had lunch together. And, um, thanks for clarifying, man. But yeah, he was just, he's been like a manager of like some of the most popular comedians over time. And I was talking to him, he goes, well, you kind of have to evolve with your audience. He's like, if you, you know, going back to kind of what you said earlier about like, you know, some people probably present songs to you, um,

That would have been great an album or two ago. It's like, damn, that would have been, but it's like you evolved. Yeah, I mean, you can't blame, you know, you can't blame them. Of course not. You know what I mean? You can't expect them to know what's in your head and what you're going to do next. Yeah, and they only have like the footprints that they've seen you leave so far make that they can even judge on. Right, right. Like I've heard Wasted On You, I've heard that 2.0 18,000 times, you know, in my inbox. Wow.

A lot of them don't even make it to me because it gets snipped before it even gets to me. But I've heard plenty of them, you know. Oh, yeah, for sure. I understand it, but, you know, you can't settle like that. Yeah. But you also don't want to go too far.

Because then your fans are like, dude, what's he on? What's his name? Chris Gaines? Is he just taking a lot of mushrooms or something? You can get that guy, too. This man at one time, he goes, one thing you have to evolve with your audience if you try to hide that you're evolving or that you're growing. Because your audience also grows, right? Oh, yeah. So he's like, it can be a trap sometimes to...

Try to just fit your current feet back in your old footprints. And I just thought it was interesting to hear somebody say that I'd never really thought about. Because sometimes you're like, oh, this worked and I got to stay right here. But you're not there anymore, you know? Yeah. And I mean, even if it's just subtle changes, it don't have to be like...

huge things you know yeah you don't have to come out and do like a Mozart style right right you know like my last album I had plenty of trap beats and stuff like that this time I was like hey man let's just let's tone that back a little bit I'm tired I'm tired of it I'm tired of hearing it so if I'm tired of it they're probably tired of hearing it yeah you know so just like certain things that you can still get that same swag or that same you can accomplish certain things without doing the same exact thing yeah so it's just simple stuff like that in some cases

Do you feel like you've always had a pretty good, like, instinct about that kind of stuff? Like, is that something that you think you really have? Like, you kind of can feel? I like to think so, man. I feel like I can tell when something's getting tired, you know? Yeah. That's a gift, man. Yeah, I guess so. Maybe God gave me that. I don't know. But I've also learned from people in my, you know, that I've been around for the last 10 years who I feel like I've learned from and that have helped me with that as well. You know, I don't think I was just...

fully just I think I had a knack for it already but I think I've you know developed it and learned from people as well so yeah I've always had a tough time like cause I've always been like a do it yourself kind of guy like I feel like I know what I'm doing like I work hard but then recently I've had to like realize I need help more it's like

I can't always give this guy a hard time. I need to, you know what I'm saying? Like, I can't always butt up against every wall, you know, because I'll just do that. It's just my nature because I don't want help a lot of times. Yeah, yeah. Man, that shit has been. That's a big deal. Yeah, it's been getting better though recently. Yeah. Even just like, just little things. I just started noticing it's getting a little bit better. And the irony is everything's been easier. Yeah. The more I let help come in. I think there's certain areas in my life, like with music, I've always kind of,

I've been a good teammate. I don't know why that is. You know, maybe I've just always liked the aspect of feeling like you're on a team, I guess because I played sports and stuff so much growing up, you know? Like for me, I enjoy the camaraderie of making music with my buddies and doing all that stuff, you know? So I've always kind of

the help and the team aspect of that. But there's other areas in my life where I'm like you, where I'm like, I don't, you know, whatever. No, no, I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. So it doesn't necessarily permeate throughout my entire life. It's just that one thing where I've been able to do that. Yeah. Oh, dude, I'll be sitting in the damn bottom of a hole. There'll be a thousand people out there with rope and I'll be like, I'm good. Yeah. I'll find one. I'll figure something out. There's one down here somewhere.

And they'll be up there and they're like, this dude's an idiot. Yeah. Yeah, you're damn right I am. Yeah, I'm proud of it too. Yeah, I'm proud of it. That's the best part. Is it tough in your life? I mean, dude, your music, it's like, it's just been such a wave that like, I mean, you couldn't travel around town without seeing every guy at a stoplight look like, you know, look like a Morgan Wallen, look like a,

like uh i'll hear your music everywhere every store like are there moments for you where it's like god this guy's got it like it's like we're almost where you become too much for you like is that ever like you don't does that make any sense yeah no it does um it's it's still it's still weird and there's parts of that that i don't like i mean i think anybody who has to deal with that it's not ideal you know it's not ideal to go everywhere and even if you don't get get like

you know bothered you you you were on edge the whole time because you thought you might it's like there's just not a lot of not there's there's things that you just don't do yeah you just don't do them anymore yeah you know but that's okay that's why that's why i've taken up hunting so much i think you know because i can go be with my buddies i'm in the middle of nowhere i can be at ease i can not stress out um you just find ways to supplement it i think you know yeah

It's kind of funny. You can't really go to a bar anymore because there'd be too much hassle. And it's probably the best thing for you. It's definitely the best thing for me. I mean, if you're using a bar as a specific example, that's definitely the best thing for me. I ain't been in a bar since...

Since the last time I was in a bar that everybody knows about. How is that? That feels like a bar right there. It does. It sounds like an old country song for sure.

But yeah, that's the most public time I was in a bar. That's the last time I was in a bar. Dude, have you seen those – there's an AI thing that makes country songs. There's one about a bar. See if you can pull it up, Trevin. Is it good? Dude, it's pretty funny. Let me see. Okay.

This shit kind of surprised me. Oh, it's the right one, Kitchen, and the second one right there with the guy and the lady in the truck, yeah. Turn that up for a second. It's just ridiculous. Look, change it to whiskey and have Morgan Wallen sing it. That's one of the number one comments. Hey, start it back over and just turn it up a little bit. We can't hear it, but this is just like AI made this. I woke up in the morning to crack myself a...

So I can start a big day.

That's good, man. But it's just crazy that AI wrote that. Like, it's just somebody just put it in. Dude, AI is nuts, man. It's just making beer. I was talking to my mom about AI this morning. But that is, I mean, you know, could be a hit. Hey, we're sitting here listening to it. Yeah. Ready to win real money this March Mania tourney? Struggling to choose which team will pull off an upset?

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What are you listening to right now, man? I know everybody asks that. That's a good question. I've been trying to find new stuff to listen to. I don't find a whole lot of new stuff to listen to. I've been listening to like old... I mostly only listen to music if I'm driving or if I'm working out. That's about the only time I listen to music, which I do those things a decent amount, you know? Kind of same, man. That's kind of when I do it. Yeah. Um...

Stephen Wilson I've been listening to. Yeah, he's good. He's really good. He's a great lyricist. Yeah, yeah. He's a special talent. That song about my father's son, Hardy played that one with him. God, it's good. Yeah, that guy is really, really good. Zach Topp's voice is really amazing. I don't listen to country music a whole lot. I think I've always kind of been that way. I know who Zach Topp is, and I do agree. He's very solid. Jesse Murph, Big X The Plug, you've heard that song? Uh-uh.

No They have a collab That's pretty dope That's cool Yeah it's good She's great Me and Big X We almost did a song But I don't know I didn't I actually sent him a song And he didn't finish it So I don't know That's on him I guess I don't know what he was doing He was in jail Did he? I think so For what? Not a long time Not long enough I went to jail too man

Hey, if you're behind bars, write a couple. No, it was kind of spur-of-the-moment thing, though. I got a song on my record called Miami. I haven't heard that one yet. They sent me a couple of the songs. Did they? Yeah, it's cool, man. Yeah, Miami, it's like a Keith Whitley flip. So it's like an old, you know, Miami, Miami, that song? Have you ever heard that? Miami, Miami.

Why me? What took you so long? I thought you'd never call. Oh, no, I've never seen it. People talk about Keith Whitley. That's one of his bigger type songs, I guess. But we flipped it and turned it into more of like a... It's a little more like rap style. But it's cool, man. I like it. Yeah. It's cool. It seemed like it could use a rapper on there. I didn't end up using a feature. We ended up just making a second verse. But it's one of those songs where it wouldn't be surprising if...

We got like a remix and did that. You know what I mean? Once it's out and all that stuff. You're famous. You guys had these different walkouts that you did over the years, right? Really fun. And thanks for letting me be part of the one in Nashville. Yeah, yeah. Do you have a favorite one that kind of stood out to you? And no judgment to any of them. I mean, Neyland Stadium is my home. That's where I grew up watching games. And Peyton put those pads on? Peyton, that one was really good. The baseball team one we did was really good too. But that Peyton one.

That was one of the, you know, it's hard to beat. Anything that happened those two nights at that stadium, I find myself just being like, yeah, that's pretty, those are like the, you know, some of the best memories I've had. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So sick.

He's so ridiculous. He came out looking like he was actually about to go play with his facial expressions and stuff. Hey, I think half the boosters wanted to sign. Some boosters, I think, were trying to holler at him. Probably. Hey, man, you got another year of eligibility. Yeah, man, that was special, dude. So cool. Yeah, but the walkouts are just crazy.

the energy that comes from those it just could last you i mean maybe not the entire show but it'll last you a while you know and then once you get out there and compound the energy that comes along with the actual show it's just it's a it's a rush oh yeah yeah there's that coach right there that we put that water on yeah hypo yeah oh he's thugging he's big thugging right he was dude

What else has happened? So, uh, you have your, the first time you're going to play your new album will be at Santa My Boots Fest. I'll play some of my album there. Um, you know, the album comes out on the 16th. I play on the 18th. I'll probably, I'll play some of the new stuff. That's a, that's another thing, man. It's hard to, it's hard picking set lists at this point too. Oh, you know, that gets real tricky. Do you do that yourself? You kind of organize it? Yeah. Me and me and my band do it together. Um,

You know, it's... A lot of it's data-driven, you know, because you can see. You know which songs people... The majority of people want to hear. Oh, yeah. You're always going to miss somebody's favorite song. You're probably going to miss my favorite song, you know, in some sets. Just trying to figure out a way this year since I'm only playing 20 shows. So probably...

If I can, try to figure out a way to not play the same set list all the time. You know, because last year I interchanged a couple, but I think it's going to be...

I'm going to make a bigger effort to try to make the set list different for at least each night. You know, maybe not every single show will be a different set list, but like night one, night two. Yeah. Because we're playing two nights in each place. So night, you know, trying to separate the two nights as far as music goes should be interesting because we've never done that before.

We would always just do like maybe change one or two songs. You know, I'm thinking maybe a little more than that. I like that. Yeah, that way if he wanted to come for both nights too, they could and hear different stuff too. Yeah, a lot of people already do come both nights, so that would be nice for them too. Yeah. There's really no way to do it perfectly. Somebody's going to be disappointed or, you know, at any point, oh, he didn't play this song or he didn't play that song. But trying our best. I'm not going to play for four hours either. So, you know. Yeah. You got to.

Keep it within reason. We got to meet in the middle, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll do my best. I don't want to sing for four hours. Two hours about...

Maybe a little longer than two hours. You put it on, man. My show, I'll be out there for maybe about an hour and 15 minutes is probably the sweet spot for me to be on stage, I think, with a comedian where they're just... Because we don't have any backup instruments, so people are like, fuck, somebody tap in a violin or something with this bastard. People get a little bit tired of it. But I can't... And that burns me out, man. I used to do two shows, and now I only do one a night. But I can't imagine... Oh, you used to do two shows in one night? Yeah. Yeah.

Back to back? Yeah. When you first started as a... I think I remember you telling me that. Yeah, I think like even whenever I first came to town, you guys came one night and saw me over at Zany's, man. Yeah, yeah. That was cool. And you came and did my podcast early, man, and that helped me... It helped give me some...

just support in the community. I didn't even realize it was early because to me, I'd been listening to you for like a little while, you know, so I already knew you and knew about you and knew your story and everything. So it wasn't like, hey, come do this weird new guys podcast. I already knew who you were, so. Well, it's just support, you know, it was nice to have some support right when I got into town. Yeah, yeah, no, I'm glad we got to do it, man. Damn, that was in 2020. Was it really? God.

Dang, bro. Look how happy you were. I think I got... I'm joking, dude. We both look happy. That's the pictures we picked. I look like I'm in pain. You look like you just came from the dentist. I look so white. Yeah, I think we had some... We had bad lighting then. Golly. We bought some better lights. Looking pasty, boy.

What's up with the free time now? So you go hunting. Where do you guys like to go? Well, all over the place, man. I got a farm outside of town that we've been planting and getting all the agriculture right.

I don't think you've been to my farm, have you? Oh, no. I may have just been to your house. Yeah, yeah. You've just been to my house, I believe. But, yeah. So, we got deer and turkeys down there. Oh, yeah. So, that's pretty much what it's geared towards. It's a really good... We bought it. It was already a really good turkey farm. And then we've just been adding a lot of the...

and all that stuff to try to make it a better deer farm. What makes a good setup like that? Like, what's the best way to make it set up where it's challenging to the hunter, but also like a... I mean, it's always going to be challenging when deer hunting just, you know, because you only get to kill two bucks in a season, in a state, you know, so you're not just going to go out there and shoot everything you see. Oh.

You know what I mean? Like you may let a really good deer walk because you're trying to get a better, you know that there's a better deer in the area or you believe there's a better deer in the area. You know, like we have cameras and stuff now so we can kind of take inventory on stuff. But you're not, you don't, I think people, I don't know what people think about hunting, but like you don't just go out there and just massacre animals. You're not out there with a handgun or nothing. No, but I mean, it's interesting. I mean, the main thing is food.

You know, food and bedding. That's really all. Those are the two main things that you need to have a good hunting farm. Okay. As long as you got the type of bedding that they want and preferably the type of food that they want, then you're going to keep those deer on your farm because they don't need to leave to go find either one of those. Right. They're happy. So they'll stay in their home range and they'll stay there and you can grow them. You know, like we don't want to at least try to get them to be five years old. And that's minimum that what we want to do.

You know, depending on where you're at in the country, people will let them get older. It's a little different, I think, depending on your land, depending because, you know, like if you if you spend all this time and money and then you got your neighbor who if your deer walks across to their property line, they might shoot it before you you were planning on shooting it. So, you know, it's it's a little bit of it can be a little bit of a game.

So there can be property line beef like that. Oh, yeah. There's all kinds of that going on. Damn, I didn't know that. Yeah, there's a lot of hunting property line beef. And what about reindeer? Do you ever see reindeer out there or not? I personally came across one. My son did just get a reindeer call, and one of my buddies from Alabama made him a reindeer call. Oh, wait, for Christmas? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's hilarious. It was cool. Bro, you got to use that. That's pretty cool.

Imagine that, dude. You're a kid and you think it was a nice reindeer call. You're bringing in Santa, dude. Yeah, he thinks that's what he's doing. I mean, that would be... I don't even think he's actually tried it. Like, he...

I guess that was probably last Christmas. He's just got a lot of new interest and stuff this year. So I think I came home this past weekend, and I was working on my turkey call just in my mouth, you know, and he was trying to, like, mimic me and stuff. It was hilarious to hear. He's just screaming, basically. Yeah.

Is it fun to watch him kind of grow? Like, what, has it been interesting? Is there moments where you see him learn something and you almost see him learn it? Like, does that kind of happen? Yeah, it's cool. Like, I...

I've been working on him on how to catch and stuff. I've just been using a soft basketball. I've got one of those basketball goals you hang up on the door. Oh, yeah. There's just so much fun when you're a kid. I use it more than him still. Yeah. You're just making him rebound for you. Yeah. Every time I'm on the phone, I'll just put my headphones in and just start shooting for like 30 minutes. Since it's been cold, especially. Yeah. But, yeah, just...

You know, when we first started, he couldn't do it. And then, you know, a couple weeks later, he's like catching. And, you know, he can catch a bounce pass now. You know, it's just like seeing those things progress in such a short period of time is cool. Does it make you have a different appreciation for your own dad? Or has it adjusted y'all's relationship any, you think? Is that a weird question to ask? No, it's not a weird question. I think...

Yeah, I think it probably does. You know, I mean, me and my dad, we butted heads a lot growing up, especially once I got to high school, just because I was kind of ridiculous. And I think he was kind of ridiculous when he was that age, too. So he was just trying to, hey, don't be like me when I was that age. You know, like, I know what this turns out. I know how this ends, usually.

So we just butted heads. I didn't, you know, you don't believe anything your parents say when you're there. No, it's the last person you want to believe. It's so crazy. It's not even possible. It wasn't possible in my head to believe that. That's crazy to think now. I'm like, damn, they were right. But in my head, it was not physically possible to think that they could be right. Yeah.

It just wasn't. It's kind of crazy because like, oh, these two people that love me and care about me and raised me this far. They're trying to ruin my life. They're trying to ruin my life. Yeah, that's what you think. It's wild. It's insane, really. But that's what I thought. But yeah, I mean, after, you know, I moved out. And really once I think I got moved down here to Nashville, that's when we became closer. Yeah. Closer than ever because I moved here pretty young. You know, I was 22 when I moved here. Yeah. And...

Almost been here 10 years coming up. So it's, I think just having that space and then just being able to, you get older too, you know. Oh, that's the biggest thing. You're like, oh shit, none of that other shit even matter. You're just trying to help. Like, yeah, maybe you could have went about it a little different or whatever. Yeah. But like the intentions were right.

Yeah, I mean, I just got spending time with my mom. It's like a lot of my life, it's like I'm waiting for my mom to like show me certain attention or affection or something. The other night we're just sitting there, we're watching at the Opry and she went there like 40 years ago or something, you know? And, um...

And I'm like, it's kind of stupid. But I just reached over and grabbed my mom's hand, you know, because it's like it's not about me being a kid anymore. It's just about me being she's an older woman now. So it's like, let me just be an adult and almost act like I'm the parent. You know, I'm not the parent now, but let me.

I don't know, it was an old part of me, like a child part of me, like, oh man, it's my brother, I wish my mom would, you know, pat me on the back, just do something, you know, show me a little bit of love or something. But then I just grabbed her hand and then we just watched it together and it was like me kind of, I don't know, it was a little moment for me where I was like, I'm not going to be that old guy.

grudge I'm just gonna move forward you know that's cool yeah but it was just interesting or just or just to get my mom a hug while we're sitting there you know just like yeah you know me and my mom my mom always we always had like a super super good relationship she was always loving and stuff you know so I just I felt all that from my mom but me and my dad you know like I said we butted heads so it was more of just getting past that phase in my life but for I didn't

Once that phase was over, it was over to me. I don't have any sort of hard feelings towards it. Oh, yeah. Dude, your dad is so funny, dude. Right when I see him, my face just fucking smiles. I know. Me too. He's just energetic. Chipper. You said he was chipper. That's the right word for him. And he's been fasting for like 700 days, dude. At this point, I don't know. He ain't fasting right now. I've been seeing this man eat during this trip he's been down here. He ain't fasting.

Don't let him lie to you. Because I've been basically, I've been, you know, eating clean and stuff, trying to get ready for tour and all that. And they're, you know, bribing me with all these hamburgers and stuff. I'm like, man, go cook at somewhere else. What about motorcycling? You got a motorcycle. I remember last time you were talking about it. Did you get one? Yeah, I got it. Oh, you have a Harley hat on today. I do, yeah. Gang, gang, that's nice, dude. I got this awesome, like, vintage thing. Yeah, it's tough, dude.

Yeah, man. I enjoy it. You do? Yeah. I kind of had ridden dirt bikes and stuff a little bit, you know, enough to understand my way around a bike already. Right. So...

Me and Cody and TD and a few other of us, a few others, we all got bikes. Look at that shit. I'll buy the cologne, whatever they're selling right there. It does look like that. It really does, huh? Exhaust by Morgan Wallen. Exhaust. Smells like a fart. That wouldn't be a bad cologne though, dude. Smells like Morgan Wallen's farts, man. What?

What if you had a blow to start that thing? What if you had one of those breath things on? I'm surprised I don't. Has anybody ever had a motorbike that has that on it? I'm sure they have. I'm surprised I don't have that on every vehicle I've got. Shout out to Davidson County. Sorry, man. That's hilarious. No, that's a handsome picture, man. That looks nice. Thanks, man. But you get out there. I like it because it's like,

You got your helmet on. Nobody knows who you are. You get out there. You got to focus on it, too. You got to be... You ain't on your phone. You know, you ain't doing anything else. You're just thinking about what you got to do on that bike. Yeah. So I enjoy that aspect of it a lot. You, like...

At least me, I physically can't do anything else other than, you know, think about what's going on on this bike. Be locked in. Yeah. So I like that aspect of a lot. You know, you'll be riding and then all of a sudden it's five hours have gone by and you just don't realize that that happened. Yeah. Damn. I got to get out there sometime. I'm just so bad. I'm bad at being in motion. Well, that might not be for you then. Yeah. I'm better. I'm better. I'm better.

What do you mean? Wait, what do you mean? Keep going. I'm bad at just like being in motion and having to think at the same time. I'm more of a stop and think than move. What are we thinking about, though? Just anything, whatever the next thing has to be. It's just hard for me. Like, I get, I just, I think I just. Well, you can just be in the back of the line then. Yeah, yeah. I'll be in the back. You can just follow us. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would be a good, yeah, I don't want to be at the front. Okay. Yeah. Or the middle. The middle is probably the safest anyway. You can be in the middle because you're protected in the back.

You're protecting the front. You don't have to make any decisions. You just follow the decisions. That's where I need to be then. You should take Harry. You should go take Harry's motorcycle class. That's who we took our class from. Really? Is it good? Yeah. I mean, I learned things I didn't know. Yeah. Oh, God. It wasn't easy necessarily either. There was things that were...

Do you all go in a pack when you go out there? I've ridden a couple times by myself, but I would have somebody following me, you know, like my security or just anyone. But we mostly just ride at least in groups of two. Yeah. A lot of times groups of four. That's tough, man. Maybe I'll have to get out there. I got to pray about that. Yeah, I don't want to – don't let me – I'm not influencing you at all. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't want to be out there just like – I'm the problem. You can just get in the sidecar. Yeah.

Me and you, right? Yeah, you're a little German sidecar.

Yeah, dude, your cousin Andrew and I are friends, man. Yeah. He's a class, dude. He is, okay. Your family is funny, dude. You guys have- We've got a lot of characters in our family. That's what you have, dude. Even when I remember when you first told me I met you about your Uncle David or something. My Uncle David. And then just different people you would tell me and then getting to meet your dad. And then, yeah, Andrew and I have become friends over the years. He's hilarious, dude. Yeah, he definitely is hilarious. Went fishing with him.

Dude, that dude, he'll put a damn... He'll start fishing anywhere. You pass by Chase Bank and he'll cast over there and put a frog top on there just because there's a bank. He'll catch a damn...

He'll catch a safe deposit box over there at the 12-pound, brother. Oh, God. Dude, he's just good. He took us out to some property, him and Ben Weprin, I think is the guy's name. Yeah, Ben. Yeah. And we had a blast, man. But he's good. Where'd y'all go? To Holdenwall? No, we went to— Oh, you went to Ease. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We went to Ease, and it was cool, though. I hadn't been there. God, that's beautiful. That place is immaculate. Yeah, it was good, man. Got some big fish in there.

It's a beautiful spot, man. But does he hunt with you? Does he hunt? Does Andrew hunt with you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, some. He does, yeah. I like hunting with him. You know, he works for Field and Stream, so he travels a lot doing that job, which I think is a really good job for him. He loves it, man. Yeah, he's talented, but he's hilarious, dude. We all keep telling him he should have his own YouTube channel or something. Really should, man. Just a series of some sort. And this is the things that happen to that guy. I'm like, dude.

I don't know how this has occurred to you.

But, you know, the world deserves to hear this. Yeah, that's okay, brother. The world deserves to share in your pain that you're dealing with right now. Yeah, that's the thing. Because the things that happened to him are just unbelievable, man. Bro, he's just such a good story. Yeah, bro, getting to know him has been a gift, man. Yeah, he is a true treasure, man. He really is. He's a national treasure. He's a buried treasure, too. I mean, he is buried right now.

We keep, I mean, maybe he'll take this and he'll watch this clip and go start his channel, you know? He's entertaining. Yeah, man, he's just entertaining. He's eating to be around. And yeah, that field and stream job with him is perfect. And he could do both. He could have that job and do, you know, that could almost be a fun way to put them together. But you couldn't say, and it could be a part of the same thing. You couldn't find a guy that's more perfect for that. Um, has there been something nice that you kind of got yourself as a gift that you started, you know, feeling like you were doing pretty well and I mean, a trip you took or anything?

Yeah, I mean, I used to be probably a little more frugal than I am right now. Yeah, same. I don't like going to get stuff. I don't like shopping for stuff, too. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there's anything that I was just really splurged out on. You know, I got a couple of watches and just things like that, and I got a couple of nice cars. I mean—

I don't feel like I'm an over-the-top big spender guy. Yeah. You know? In a lot of towns. What was your first car? Do you remember it? Yeah, it was a Jeep Cherokee. Was it really, dude? I got a freaking Jeep Cherokee, dude. You do right now? Yeah, and Los Angeles have a car there that's got like only 12,000 miles on it. Oh, this thing had a lot more than 12,000 miles on it. Really? Yeah. It was a white Jeep Grand Cherokee. I think it was a 95, if I'm remembering correctly. Dude, I like those cars. It was not a bad car. I mean, it wasn't...

whoever had it, it wasn't the most, it was like that right there. That's exactly what it looked like. God, those bitches were tough, dude. That's exactly what it looked like. Yeah, I had them Ford Escort, 84 Ford Escort. Pull that bitch up, dude. If they'll even allow you. Sometimes Google won't let you look at them anymore. Them bitches are visually outlawed. Bro, that shit'll crawl. It'll remodel your eyeline when you look at that bitch, dude. God damn, that bitch looks horrible. I haven't looked at it in a few years. I mean, yeah, that's pretty bad.

Especially that one on the right, that blue one. God. That one pulled up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And barely pulled up. That fish pulled up slow, dude. It's got a two-cylinder in it.

Probably had a fucking outboard motor engine. You had to steer it like with the reverse way. Like you have to do a John boat. Yeah, it had a boat motor in it too. Steered it from the back.

And dude, somebody stole my passenger seat in that bitch. Really? Yeah. Was it only a two-seater anyway? No, it had three extra little seats in the back. Oh, okay, okay. But they weren't even a bench. It was three individual little bitty seats. Three booster seats right there? You either had to have three kids that were triplets, I guess.

Or a couple small buddies. But somebody had stole my damn passenger seat, dude. Did you ever get it back? Uh-uh. Somebody were eating at a Burger King and somebody stole that bitch out of there. But then people had to get in. They'd get in the car, but they couldn't sit right there.

Did you put a couple blankets down or something or what? I don't know. Whatever, dude. But the one time I picked up a dude, I was getting him to buy me alcohol at a gas station. I was skipping to school. And he got in, this kind of homeless-y kind of guy.

And he got in. Instead of sitting in the back, he just got on his knees right there at the passenger side. So I'm driving and he just. He was your friend? I didn't know him. No, he's like a guy who I gave money to buy me alcohol. Oh, okay. So, but anyway, I don't know why I'm telling you all this. I just cleaned out my car. Actually, I did not. That's not true. I just, I'm going to clean it out though. I am going to clean it out this year for sure. I look, what I'm talking about is spring cleaning and it's time to clean it all up.

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So you got the new album coming out. Does it feel, is there a moment where you feel that the album is finished? Is there a moment where you're like, I just can't, this is far enough. Could you keep going on and out? And could you keep fine tuning it forever? Yes, for sure. Yeah. So that's a real possibility. You can overdo it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The powers that be.

will give you a deadline if you want certain things to happen. You know, like, do you want your vinyl to come, to be out, to be ready by when the record's ready? You know, things like that. So you kind of, they put a, you know, they give you a buffer because they know you're not going to,

have it in time they got a buffer for the buffer they got they got like a eight week buffer i think that they put on me but those time those time limits are are healthy i think you know because especially i mean it's not like we wouldn't work i mean we worked really hard on this album pretty much since tour was over i've been writing and you know just recording all that so

I mean, we recorded 50 or 51 songs and cut 13 or 14. Really? Yeah, yeah. So what happens to a lot? You just kind of decide this doesn't fit here right now? Yeah, some of the songs were songs that I wrote. Some of them weren't. So if I didn't write them, then they'll just, whatever happens to them, not up to me anymore. And then if I did, you know, who knows? I might make a...

side project of something if you know something that has nothing to do with my name I've always kind of wanted to do that anyway you know just kind of figure out a way to it wouldn't be my voice it wouldn't I don't know how you do that I'm sure there's all kinds of ways to go about it now you know these days but but it not be my name not my voice not be any kind of style of music that I that I normally do you know just to see what happens to it yeah might be like house music or something you know I don't know that'd be pretty sick dude

Yeah, dude, if you had house music. I mean, people would...

If they saw my name on it, they would... I don't want it to have my name on it. I want to just see what happens if it just gets put out into the world. You know, maybe I'll like put it on a story or something of whoever it is, you know, Dream Jacker or whatever the team is, but... Whatever the name of the guy is. Wet Dream Jacker, that'd be mine. Dream Jacking, currently. I mean, me and my buddies were talking about this topic the other day, actually, and...

I don't know. It might actually happen. Putting out something secret, low-key? Yeah. Creating something? Yeah. Yeah, well, I bet because that's an interesting thing. It's like once you kind of have made a name in one space, it's kind of hard. You can't, you know, you almost have – if you want to get a real test of what people think of something, you kind of have to secretly do it some other way. Yeah, but it wouldn't even be similar to the type of music that I'm doing. Totally, I understand that. It would be nothing even close to what I'm doing now. It would be like –

I mean, I like house music a little bit. So I listen to it working out or driving or stuff, you know, like melodic stuff. Like that kind of stuff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I feel like a lot of that stuff doesn't necessarily have a lot of words and stuff, you know? So maybe what if I took a song of mine that didn't make my album, but it's got a story, it's got all these things, you know, what would people like that? I don't know.

Dude, I thought this, I thought, started thinking of this about two years ago. So they have like ED, you go to these nightclubs and stuff and they'll have like John Summit, these different kind of guys who are playing like house, like trance or whatever, whatever it is. It's just people doing dope really late at night and just doing like this, you know, whatever that is. I don't know the difference between all those styles of music. It's like,

It's one style of music. I know there's sub-genres and all that, but yeah. Same. I don't have a clue. But I'm always like, why don't they have a more country or like... Why is it always... If they had remixes of a lot of great country music, and you put it to that same type of shit that...

a lot of people want to still go have that environment, but I don't, sometimes you get tired of that music. It just gets kind of old. So if they had remixes of some dope country shit, I'm like, if they had two country DJs that came out, like I feel like it would be so sick just doing remixes and shit. It would be cool. I'm surprised they don't have that already. Me too. Me and Kayla Presley tried, thought about trying to do it, but then it was just like, you just don't have a lot of time, you know? And that becomes something too. It's like, there's things you want to do and you just don't have enough time, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And that's, it's smart for you to realize that. I mean, it'd be like,

well, I'm going to quit my job. Pays all my bills and, you know, go be a Mason. It's like, well, maybe don't do that. So, yeah. Under a neon room. Just fucking remix it. Fucking Brooks and Dunn. Before you go, man.

You have some amazing artists that are going to be on some of these tour dates with you. Yeah, I do. Did you have to call them individually and ask them? How'd that kind of go? Because some of these are idols, really, in the industry. Well, I feel, you know, Miranda, I'm good friends with Miranda. I'm good friends with Brooks and Dunn.

So that was pretty easy. Yeah, I mean, there was already mutual interest, and that's something that's kind of been a conversation for a little bit longer than just, you know, this year. So that one kind of just worked itself out between them and my managers. I'm good friends with Thomas Redd as well, so that one, they were all... He's nice, huh? He's super nice. God, what a nice guy. He lives nearby, I think. Yeah, I think you're right. It just all kind of happened pretty naturally, but, I mean, it's unbelievable to me, you know, like I haven't really...

This page that's pulled up, I mean, just to see the people that are opening for me, it's like it doesn't even make sense, you know? Miranda Ella Langley, she's a new. Yeah, she's a badass. Or she's newly more popular. Yeah. I'm not going to say she's new. I don't know about her history. I don't either. Miranda Corey Kent, I'm not familiar with him. If it's a man. It is. Yeah. He's good too. I'm going to have to check him out.

Yeah, Ann Wilson. She's a Christian artist by trait, but she's, you know, dabbling in the country music world. She's really good. You know, she's on our agency, so. She is? Yep, yep. You started, I'll have to check her out. Oh, Gavin Adcock's out there with you too? Yeah, he's a wild man. That fucking guy's wild, dude. I love that guy, man. God.

He's walking like, I see he'll eat a fucking, he'll eat a damn three pack. I saw him eat a three pack of beers. He probably did. Oh, he'll eat fucking two beers, dude. Yeah, he doesn't give a damn, dude.

He played offensive line for Bud Light for a couple years, I think. There is nobody like him. He's definitely outlandish. What are those things? Those military... What are those? MREs or whatever? He's got beer in there. Dude, he'll fucking...

But he's entertaining. He's got a good voice, too, and his music seems like he just keeps getting better, too. So I'm happy for him, man. I got to tap in more with him. I saw him play with Kid Rock in one of his shows last year. Dude, I'll say this. Bob Ritchie, his live performance, dude. He'll let them have it, won't he?

bro it i was fucking i mean i know you know but i didn't he it was good i've never seen it person like firsthand but it was really i can imagine i mean i knew it would be but it's just been some time you know it's hard to keep up you know i mean being out there for two hours i mean you guys get i mean it's a lot man it is man it can be for sure i mean depends on how often you do it too you know i mean if you're doing it

Some people I guess still do it three nights a week. I'm just going to do it two because it feels like a disservice to me and everyone else to do it three days in a row. But two seems like a good sweet spot. As long as you play the show...

Probably don't go to bed until 3 or 4 in the morning just because you're so wound up. Yeah, you're up. People are visiting. You've got to say bye to everybody. All that shit. Well, I don't do all that anymore much. But even if your family's there and stuff. Yeah, but even still, they know what the priorities are at this point. So if I play a show, which my boy, if my boy's with me, he'll be asleep already anyway. So we head straight out.

Don't stick around. I try to go to bed as soon as possible. Usually, like I said, don't have until 3 or 4. Then you try your best to sleep until noon, 1, 2, as late as you possibly can just because of your voice after doing all that. You need all that rest. It's become a little bit more like a regiment for me, which is good. I've got a vocal coach and all that stuff too now. It's like a whole boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. This is how it is now. That seems to help me a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of interesting. When I was a little younger, I could do some of those stretches, and now I'm like, I wish I...

When I do see them on the schedule, it's a little bit tougher. Not comparing comedy and what, you know. No, but you're, I mean, it is. I mean, it's still the same thing. It's like a regimen. It's like, yeah, I got to sleep in late. And it's like, well, that kind of sucks because now it's like, it's kind of hard if you wake up at 10 to go back to sleep for two more hours because it's light out. It's really hard. It's hard, but you know you need that two more hours of sleep. Otherwise, I'm going to be edgy, you know, and I won't be able to, I might not want to go work out. Just all the little things like. Yeah, it is. It's important. Because it's just about getting yourself back on the stage for that next thing.

When it's time to go, it's time to go. Yeah, I mean, back in the day, I mean, which we weren't playing two-hour shows back then either, you know, but we would play six shows in one week, you know. So I don't know how, I mean, it just had to be young, I guess, you know. I mean, it wasn't like we were, I wasn't, the only regimen then was sleep till four, start drinking at five. You know what I mean? Like that's what it was then. And we're going to be good. Ain't that right? Yeah.

Bro, hell yeah, that's a Gavin Adcock national anthem right there. Yeah, I think back in the day if I had a camera on me like Adcock does now, they would be probably saying some similar stuff about me. But he's a little more bold with it, I guess, than I was. Well, he's really, yeah. Oh, dude, he'll be on stage. People are throwing fucking beers. He just has beers bouncing off of him.

He's an animal, dude. He'd be like, the PA system's shut down, but we're going to still fucking perform. He'd just yell. He'll hollow out a beer can and just yell out of it and shit. He's fucking doing all kinds of shit. He is ballsy, dude. His personality's cool. He's a fun guy. Very entertaining. I've got to tap into more of his music. I haven't listened to a lot of his music. Yeah, you need to get him on here. Yeah. I do need to. People say that we look alike a little bit. I think they're just being nice to me.

To you or him? One of us, dude. Oh, yeah. You got your drink here, man. You brought this today. That real tea. How's it going? Real tea. Man, it seems to be progressing nicely. It's good. I like it. I like it on ice better. Yeah, brother. But I've always liked sweet tea better on ice.

I mean, you know, because I've been trying to eat and live and drink and all that stuff clean. So for something that's actually, you know, healthy, it's good. Yeah. Yeah, it's good for sure. I like it. I like having a nice little can of tea or something. I'll keep a couple in the car. I'll drink them warm even.

Do you? Yeah. I'll get a whole one in me at a stoplight. Yeah, I don't do all that. You don't? No. My drummer told me one time he had drank like, I can't remember how many, you know, like 13 or something ungodly in a short amount of time. I said, damn, man, you're going to have kidney stones for sure. Hey, dude, that's, well, maybe he'll have a band, a cover band of the Rolling Stones and it's called Kidney Stones. It's the Rolling Kidney Stones. Yeah, yeah.

um is there a song sometimes of your own that you'll listen to or one that catches you sometimes it'll kind of catch in your feels a little bit is there any one that you're like i mean yeah the song the song i wrote to my son is is the song oh the one that's not out yet yeah that does that it'll be out soon but okay um i mean it's also one of those things to where you know i've tried so many times to write a song like that for him and it always fell flat

So I'd listen to it on the way home or whatever after we wrote it and I'd be like, that's good, you know, but it's not how I want it. And I also didn't want to write like a song to him that was, I don't know, sappy and

and, you know, just like what you would expect a dad-son song to be. Right. You know, I wish you wouldn't grow up, you know, all that. Like, I didn't want it to be that. Another birthday cake. Yeah, it's like, I didn't want that song at all. That song's been written plenty enough. So, and I wanted it to keep, like, have a little bit of my sound and my swag and just like, and to be honest, you know, so it was a hard thing to try to get all...

All those things wrapped up into one song. It's called Superman is what it's called, and I feel like we accomplished that. When we wrote it and I was riding home, it was actually the last song that made my record, so it's not like I've had it for a long time. It took us a while to get that song. It was actually Blake, one of my buddy Blake's. It was his idea, and the hook was different, though. It said Superman. I don't remember what the hook was exactly, but I was just singing it, and I was like, oh, man.

I know what it is, and I changed the hook, and it made it. It was like, oh, there it is. Unlocked. And all three of us or four of us in the room just kind of was like, oh, yeah, that's it. And then on the way home, I was listening to it and started crying. And that's the first time that it happened with a song for him. So I kind of knew. Yeah. That's cool, man.

Yeah, man. There's one thing I've always thought you had very good instincts, man. I've always admired your instincts, you know? Whether it's humor, we're joking around, whatever. You're fucking sharp, dude. You're a sharp fucking guy. Yeah, it's been... I appreciate you just supporting my podcast and, you know, it's nice of you. And thanks for all the great music, man. That one about the mom...

Oh I wrote the book Oh yeah And that one sometimes That's one of my favorites still If I'm driving home at night or something I'll listen to that one dude You know That's a good one That one's like Kind of puts me in a good spot You know Yeah I like that one too man

Yeah, and what's the one about the mom? You're talking about my mom? Yeah. Thought you should know? Yeah, that one. Yeah. God, that one. God damn, dude. I pull over and cry sometimes. Do you really? I'm like, fuck, you can't cry and drive, you little bitch. This goes back to what you were talking about, thinking and motion and all that stuff. Yeah. It is, dude. All I get is it's too much.

Morgan Wallen, man One of the most prolific artists I think ever on the face of the earth, man It's a pleasure, dude I feel lucky to get to know your cousin He and I are close And yeah, just thanks for all the entertainment On behalf of everybody And it's just been a gift, man Thank you, man I say the same to you I appreciate everything that you do for me Cheers, brother Excited for the new album Yes, sir Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel I'm falling like these leaves I must be

I'll share this piece of my life. I can in my bones, but it's going to take.