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horrific debacle yesterday, the predictable debacle that was the attempt by this Israeli-U.S. quote-unquote humanitarian organization to deliver aid. We'll talk about whether or not this was exactly as expected and intended and what it means going forward. The images that came out of this are going to be indelible, I think, an indelible stain on the U.S. and Israel's approach to

to the region, to Palestinians. Kamala Harris hit the speaking tour, but privately. Some of it leaked. Yeah, some of it leaked. That'll be fun. She was at the Australian Real Estate Conference getting paid, presumably, so we have leaked it. No, no, no. That's a pro bono one. She just loves the Australian real estate industry. It's a deep passion of hers. It is. Who's not passionate about that? We cannot not talk about

Jordan Peterson agreeing to be one Christian debating 20, like 20-year-old atheists. That's perfect. And emerging completely eviscerated. But also getting the video title changed. We'll get into all of it. You lost the debate so badly they had to change the video title.

It goes about as you would expect it to go. So we will have some really fun clips from that. And then we're going to be talking about Trump's pardoning spree over the last couple of days. Not only the Chrisley family, which was announced yesterday. So Todd and Julie Chrisley from the reality show Chrisley Knows Best. Trump said he was pardoning them yesterday in the Oval Office. But a couple

of other pretty interesting pardons, Ryan, just in recent days. A sheriff and a nursing home executive looks a little suspicious, to say the least. And then we're going to finish by interviewing

an official from the energy industry, and not just the clean energy industry. This is the dirty energy industry, although his company tries to make the fossil fuel industry a little bit cleaner. He's going to talk about the energy industry across the board's reaction to Trump's big, brutal bill, big, beautiful bill, whatever you want to call it. Big, brutal bill. Big, brutal bill, because it's not just

clean energy that it takes a sledgehammer to. The entire energy production infrastructure across the board is getting whacked by this bill to the point where ExxonMobil is like, wait a minute, um,

what are you doing? This is really bad. And lastly on that, speaking of the big, beautiful bill, Elon Musk is making an even, we'll say, harsher break with Deluge and the Trump administration. He's going to be on CBS Sunday morning this week. And so teasers that have been released show him

saying that he fleshes out his point about how the big, beautiful spending bill undermines Doge. He's recently said he feels like the Trump administration or that Doge became the Trump administration's whipping boy. So we will have some updates on that front as well. Yeah, kind of sad that the moment that Musk says something decent is also the moment that he's totally lost all his juice. You're about to buy more Teslas again. Yeah, yes, you can buy it.

I'm long past this all of a sudden. Yes. Well, let's start with the news about student visas. We can go ahead and rule this first element. Secretary of State Marco Rubio was in a cabinet meeting with President Trump yesterday, and a cable had leaked saying that the administration was pausing student visas as it prepared a social media vetting system. And we've covered

about the social media vetting system here. You've probably seen this in the student visa controversies that, you know, the administration was citing social media posts, but also was citing its new efforts to do mass data scrapes for these social media posts.

It appears that this is culminating in what is said to be a temporary pause in all student visas. There are more than a million students on student visas as of this school year. So here's Secretary of State Rubio explaining the policy yesterday at the White House. So when we identify lunatics like these, we take away their student visa. No one's entitled to a student visa. The press covers student visas like there's some sort of birthright. No, a student visa is like me inviting you into my home.

If you come into my home and put all kinds of crap on my couch, I'm going to kick you out of my house. And so, you know, that's what we're doing with our country, thanks to the president. All right, Ryan. So, again, more than a million students that are going to be affected, 30 percent of Harvard, roughly. We have Trump talking about this as well, but we can put the tear sheet up on before we get to Trump. This is A2, an Axios story on the policy. But it is about 30 percent of Harvard students. Some schools have massive students.

foreign student populations for reasons we can get into. They can pay generally full tuition, so it's helpful on that front. But also, we've long been a magnet, obviously, for the world's top talent American higher education has. Now, people don't always stay here, but many do.

And a lot of great American companies were founded through people who came here for school and stayed and then created some amazing stuff in the United States. Here's Donald Trump from over the weekend talking about student visas. This is A3.

-Part of the problem with Harvard is that there are about 31%, almost 31% of foreigners coming to Harvard. We give them billions of dollars, which is ridiculous. We do grants, which we're probably not going to be doing much grants anymore to Harvard.

But there are 31 percent. But they refuse to tell us who the people are. We want to know who the people. Now, a lot of the foreign students we wouldn't have a problem with. I'm not going to have a problem with foreign students, but it shouldn't be 31 percent. It's too much because we have Americans that want to go there and to other places. And they can't go there because you have 31 percent foreign. Now,

No foreign government contributes money to Harvard. We do. So why are they doing so many? Number one. Number two, we want a list of those foreign students and we'll find out whether or not they're OK. Many will be OK, I assume. And I assume with Harvard, many will be bad. And

And lastly, let's toss this clip of an international student at Harvard discussing the climate for international students right now. There are very few international students who are even willing to speak to the media, who are willing to, you know, just post something on social media or participate at a protest because we've seen people have had their visas revoked for that reason, but also some examples of students who have been snatched off the street and put in detention centers in Louisiana

What the Trump administration is doing right now is a full-scale attack on free speech in this country. And we simply have to resist it, and we have to fight it with whatever means possible. Given that climate that you describe and the persecution of some universities, would you feel confident, indeed, would you be allowed to go on and maybe study a postdoctoral at another university? I mean...

I honestly don't know. I'm very happy that I've made the decision to leave the country and that I don't have to live with this uncertainty. And I know that's how many international students are feeling right now. So what would be your advice for people who might be watching who are thinking about a degree in the United States?

I think it's incredibly hard because I've had such a great experience here and these have been the best four years of my life. It would break my heart to tell anyone to not apply to Harvard or any other institution in the US.

But frankly, I do understand that people think twice about coming here, because why would you apply to a university in America if you don't even know whether you will be able to finish your degree, if you can't study what you want, if you can't, you know, speak out about political issues because you're afraid that you might be put in a detention center and deported?

then I truly understand why people are worried. So the Trump comments and the comments from that student came in response to obviously the administration's decision to prevent Harvard from accepting foreign students, period. That happened. We covered that on last Friday's show. But that was a decision that came last week from Kristi Noem, technically, because DHS oversees a vetting process and they say Harvard is not compensating

complying with the vetting process and then made a list of pretty wild demands, intentionally wild demands that Harvard wouldn't be able to meet about foreign students. And Harvard obtained a restraining order in court shortly after the administration came down with that decision. So Ryan, right now, we don't have a lot of details about what this would look like, but it almost certainly is about Israel.

because that's everything we've seen so far, the vetting. Rubio was putting it in the same framework. Yes. That, look, it's a privilege to come here as a student.

But basically he's saying if you're going to protest Israel, then we don't want you in the country. Now, the thing he said right after that clip, he's like, my wife and I want to announce something. What he says is he's just so proud that University of Florida's basketball team won a championship. Two of their five starters are on student visas, one from Nigeria, one from Australia. The Australian is –

pulled himself out of the NBA draft. Alex Conant is going to go back to Florida, he said, but now maybe he won't. He's like, all right, forget it. I guess I'm going to go, I'll play in the NBA. If I'm not welcome here, I guess I'll go play in another professional basketball league somewhere else and make much less money. They'll either vet all of the athletes first and be like, green light, you guys are fine, or they will just not even ever look at the athletes' social media. Yeah, it's like, okay, well, Joel Embiid, um,

You know, he's from Africa. He has some French citizenship. The French wanted him to play in the Olympics for them, but he wouldn't because he didn't like France's kind of colonial approach to Africa. Are we okay with that? Like, tell us what you're allowed to say about foreign countries. Right, and we have no idea how they're— You can criticize France, right? I assume, although they're a very close ally of ours. Mm-hmm.

So just make a list. What are the countries you can't criticize? Because you can criticize the United States, right? That's okay. And is it Israel and or is it just Israel? Right. Why don't we have Israel do the vetting? Like why are U.S. taxpayers funding all of the kind of social media research to find out if these 17-year-olds said anything positive about Palestinians today?

When it's for the benefit of Israel, Israel has all of this cyber tech. Just let Israel run our State Department and run our DHS. And they can tell us who's allowed to come in the country. Like, why are we paying for that? We'll send them the money anyway, so I guess we're still paying for it. Never mind. I thought I was trying to help us. I can't figure it out. It's like, in theory, I actually am not at all opposed to the idea. I mean, so what this is...

the U.S. vetting its students based on what they think about Israel? No, I'm very opposed to that. In theory, I'm not opposed to the idea of saying, okay, we should have a social media check of whether or not people are openly saying, like, Crystal and I interviewed this guy, Mamadou Tal, from Cornell.

And if you went back and looked at his social media, as he was applying, he was talking about how awful the American empire is, et cetera, et cetera. But fine, that's a perfectly fair free speech argument to make. But is that someone you prioritize over another person who maybe actually loves the United States, wants the United States to be better, and is deeply passionate about—there are a lot of people who are passionate about it.

And a lot of them come over on student visas and have great lives and productive lives in the United States of America and do make the country better. So I'm not in theory opposed, so maybe we should be checking what people who have social media are saying.

in the context, but we have zero idea from the State Department right now about what they're looking for. And our best guess, based on the framing that Secretary Rubio adopted, as you said there, Ryan, and how they've been doing this so far, is that they're looking for op-eds like Rameza Ozturk's op-ed for the Tufts student newspaper that was promoting a BDS campaign

policy at her school. Which passed. It was... So stupid. Rumesa wrote, was one of four authors supporting a Senate, a campus Senate resolution that said something about Israel, which passed. Like...

And I don't know if you've ever been involved with, like, student governance. Like, to get some... Like, yeah, they're to the left of the average, like, town council. But to get them all together to agree to a resolution, it's not going to be, like, fire and brimstone. So she would... The op-ed that she got jailed for passed the student senate. It passed. Anyway. It's completely ridiculous. So...

What else on this? Well, we don't know. That's the other thing is we don't know how temporary the pause is because as we're sitting here right now, this could apply to millions of people for years to come. It could last a month. And that's the thing with the Trump administration. It could last a month and it could be screening for, like in theory, it could last a month and it could be screening for genuine terrorists or Hamas. Which they should do. Yeah, which they should be doing. Or, or.

Or it could be treating people like the administration treated Rameza Ozturk. And we really don't know. And it could be doing that indefinitely because right now it's a temporary pause. So this could mean the next three years of the Trump administration, there's a de facto ban on student visas. Or it could mean a month from now they have their social media policies in place and they're stringently applying them and screening for people who are

pro-Palestine, but it's not a de facto ban for the next three years. It's hard to say, but given how they've handled cases like Osterix, they don't really get the benefit of the doubt on that. Hey, this is Jenny Garth from I Do Part Two. Want to try Ozempic but can't stand needles? You need to try oral semaglutide. It has the same active ingredient as Ozempic, but without the painful injections.

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The American taxpayers then aren't able to benefit fully from these universities because they're taking in X percentage of... What I would say is a couple things on this. First, if his issue is actually access to colleges and universities, one, something like more than a dozen colleges and universities went under last year and the year before. And we're in a crisis of colleges and universities going under. They're going bankrupt. So there's fewer places for

people to go. Your alma mater struggles with that, don't they? St. Mary's College of Maryland, they're doing okay. I mean, they're a state school. A lot of the more private universities, like the smaller private universities are going under. Even state schools are having enrollment problems. Yes, and there's an enrollment problem because of

birth rates. Like there's a baby bust that is now starting to move in to universities. So it's causing a huge problem for them. And now you're going to say that foreign students can't come either.

On the question of the taxpayer funding, yes, like taxpayers are funding these colleges and universities. Harvard gets a lot of money. The money that the Trump administration is cutting off from Harvard is specifically earmarked for grants and research because it is one of the great research universities in

in the history of the world, you know, 400-year-old university. It produces research in all varieties of fields that is then beneficial to the entire world. So it's not that we are subsidizing

the foreign students' tuition. It's the opposite. The foreign students, for the most part, are coming with grants from their home countries. So it's not true that no foreign countries are funding Harvard because there are grants coming from these subsidizing tuition here. Or these are the wealthier kids from around the world who are paying the sticker price at Harvard, which

Which is often not meritocratic, to be fair. I mean, a lot of those kids are buying their way into this. Same with the American kids who get in. Yeah, absolutely. Buying their way in there. But it does undermine the argument that everyone who's coming from, and I've just said this because I do believe this to be true, but that we're a magnet for the top, top, top talent. Sometimes there are foreign students who are buying their seats at these universities too. Right, but that's our system. We are not a meritocracy. We are a place where you can buy your way to the top.

Although we're more of a meritocracy than a lot of other countries. We say we're a meritocracy. I mean, it's a lot worse elsewhere. Yeah, maybe. In any event, they're not morons. Like, you have to pass a certain threshold. And lots of people pass this certain threshold. And then, yeah, a lot of these foreign students, they're going to pay the full freight. They're going to subsidize it. So I would also, let's say, let's take Disney World, for example. It gets enormous amounts of taxpayer money.

Enormous. In fact, DeSantis tried to take some and look what happened to him. That's right. Well, actually, he won that, the Reedy Creek thing. Not really. And they still get enormous amounts of tax breaks. Yeah, that's absolutely true. When you go to Disney World or Disneyland, you're going to see enormous numbers of foreigners there. It is annoying to stand in long lines. And a lot of the people in front of you in the line are foreign.

So wouldn't it make just as much sense, which by which I mean zero sense at all, for Donald Trump to say Americans pay to support Disney World. And so therefore, Americans should be the only ones that get to go to Disney World. Like that's that's where his logic takes you. And you might be watching this and be like, yeah, that's fair. I agree with it. If so, you are a moron.

Like that's crazy. Because what you are saying is that we should not be a great country. We should not be a country that people want to come to. We should be a country where if you're a very good basketball player, you hope that you get recruited and go to Lithuania rather than being a great Lithuanian player and get recruited and come to the United States. You are welcome to be one of those countries. You can be an average or below average country where people want to leave. That's a choice that is available to the United States.

which is currently heading towards that on purpose. So congratulations. You can have shorter lines at Disney World. But just play that out. What's going to happen?

So maybe we do disagree a little bit because I think there's a long overdue renegotiation of the relationship between the federal government and higher education. And maybe this is actually more of a middle ground than a disagreement because I don't agree with all the particulars of how it could play out. I don't know how they actually intend to play it out. And that's a problem with a lot of their policies is that they're intentionally messing around. Yeah. And the thing that makes me angry is that they have me sitting here defending Harvard. Like if they want to take $3 billion away from Harvard for its research grants, they

And give it to the 50 state schools, like the flagship state schools around the country? Yeah. Be my guest. Please do that. That would be amazing. You know, screw Harvard. I'm not here defending Harvard. The idea that you're going to take that money out and then you're going to do a $7.5 trillion tax cut for the rich, like that is suicidal.

Well, they're also doing endowment taxes that have higher education freaked out. So Harvard has a $50 billion endowment and their money is absolutely fungible. And I do think that a lot of these schools coast off the largest of the taxpayer. Give us the University of Michigan, Wisconsin. Trade schools. St. Mary's College of Maryland. Or yeah, you're right. Give us the trade schools. Yeah, which is something that Trump sort of was trolling with Harvard as well. But to destroy Harvard just so you can do tax cuts...

Or just to destroy it. Just to destroy it for the sake of Israeli...

propaganda here in the United States. Right, for the sake of our Middle East policy, whatever that is, according to them. And according to whomever takes over, by the way, which is part of the reason that the Obama administration was seen as egregious by conservatives, is that they were using the strings attached to federal funding to coerce different policies out of Title IX. And it was...

just happened in dear colleague letters, so like little missives from the Secretary of Education that could be fired off at a moment's notice. And conservatives were really opposed to doing that because it was this expansion of Title IX policy from Washington, D.C. that affected every different school. So I think there's some of that to be opposed to and to not have double standards. I think absolutely there's some of that going on here. I do, though, generally think some of this money is the same way I feel about a lot of the cabinet agencies.

I do think if you're, there are strings attached to public money and I don't have a problem with the duly elected president and his administration saying that there are strings attached to the money, but they should also realize that it's a mutually beneficial arrangement for a reason. And the mutually beneficial part of that still exists. Like Harvard acting badly doesn't mean the entire arrangement is a disaster in and of itself. And what's their big complaint that they didn't

that they didn't arrest more student protesters? I mean, it depends on who you're talking to. You're going to destroy this 400-year-old university? Right, it depends on who you're talking to. I mean, if you're talking to Alan Dershowitz, that's probably it. Oh, yeah, they did a 300-page report. There was somebody who said that once they were posting on Instagram that they were supportive of Israel, some of their friends ghosted them.

Like that type of complaint and that literal complaint like made it into this like report on anti-Semitism. And so if we just pull enough research grants from Harvard, like we will, you know, pressure people to go on walks with their friends who support genocide. Like, hey, look, you said you would go on a walk Tuesday morning. I showed up. You weren't even there. I just had to walk by myself.

I think it depends on who you're talking to. For some people, they would basically be in that camp, as you just described. So whoever you are, you ghosted your friends. Now you destroyed Harvard. Well done. All you had to do was just like not talk about the genocide. On the other hand. That's what they were trying to do, by the way, is just not talk about the genocide by like just being like, you know what? This is this is your thing. You support this. I don't. So let's just not be friends. That is apparently bigotry. I mean. That needs the state to intervene.

Donald Trump will not countenance such ghosting. He would never treat a friend. No, he would not. But it depends on who you're talking to. If you're talking to some people, then yes, they would say something along those lines. If you're talking to other people, they would cite Aaron Sabarian's comments.

couple of year record of excellent reporting on how Harvard's DEI policies have genuinely eroded what was already an eroded system of meritocracy at Harvard. And there's some really legitimate stuff to take issue with there. If this is the pressure campaign and it lasts for a week, then it lasts for a week. If this lasts for three years and is an indefinite pause on student visas, not just at Harvard, but basically everywhere, I mean,

Legally. Except they're just replacing DEI with one marginalized group. Yes. Supporters of Israel. Not even Jewish students. Because if you're a Jewish student who opposes the genocide, then you are bad and bigoted. Anti-Semitic. You're self-loathing. Anti-Semitic. Yeah. So it's DEI but for supporters of Israel, unapologetic supporters of Israel.

We'll see how it's implemented. Many such cases as Donald Trump would say about his early policies. In fact, a Financial Times columnist, did you see this, coined the term taco? Trump always chickens out on tariffs.

And it's just these policies. It's the Jackson Pollock approach to governance. You just actually he's making this mess and hoping that it turns out beautifully. This briefing that Rubio where Rubio is going on about this is coming as Trump was chickening out on Europeans. Literally, yes. In the middle of a cabinet meeting where he backed off the 50 percent.

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organization absurdly named the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation which is which according to Yair Lapid, former Prime Minister of Israel, is funded by Israel. It's a kind of a joint of the US-Israeli organization which is trying to supplant UNRWA, the World Food Program and all the other humanitarian aid organizations that bring in assistance. What they did is they flipped

delivery of humanitarian aid on its head. Like the way that established organizations do it to make sure that they don't get food riots is that you need to kind of, you need to flood the area with aid and you need to have it decentralized at lots of different places. And you need to have it near where people are so that it's as convenient as possible. And you have as short a lines as possible because you don't want

hundreds or thousands or tens of thousands, definitely not hundreds of thousands of people who haven't eaten for a long time, haven't had a good meal probably in 20 months. You don't want them all congregating around this one particular area. But the GHF

is not designed to efficiently distribute humanitarian aid. Its design is explicitly for depopulating northern Gaza. Netanyahu has said out loud that the goal of this organization is to entice Palestinians into the south of Gaza, into particular areas where they have to then present their IDs and leave their homes,

At which point they will not be allowed to return to their homes. Like he has said this out loud. This is not leaked audio. He's been very clear that that's the goal of this. So therefore they set up just four distribution centers for two million people who hadn't, you know, had aid distributed since March 2nd.

And they set up, you saw that zigzag barbed wire fence. They set that corral up as their way because they understood that there would be large, desperate crowds there. Of course, that did not hold people back. People had to walk 10, 15 kilometers to get there.

to get to this place as well, which immediately means who are you gonna get? Like the people who are in the best possible shape, not great shape, but the best possible shape. If you're desperately malnourished, you can't walk 15 kilometers through the sun to get to this place. And so then the desert people broke through the fence, Apache, as you saw in the video there, Apache helicopters start firing on the crowd. Nobody was killed, thankfully.

But it was it was a complete catastrophe then what people got were these little boxes that had flour dried pasta and some dried beans now

Think about that. It's better than having nothing in your hands, but what do you need to take that to something edible? Like water and an energy source, which are also extremely hard to come by deliberately. So a humanitarian aid organization was saying this is deeply inappropriate. Like this is not the thing you would give to malnourished people. First of all, it's not the kind of nourishment that you need. Like there are very particular types of food packages that you could give to people

who haven't had a decent meal for two months and that need to recover their health a little bit. Pasta beans and rice, that's not it. And you don't want to give somebody something that needs to be cooked with clean water and heat if they don't have clean water and heat. Of course, though, that assumes that

Any of this is on the up-and-up, which they have acknowledged it is not. It is about ethnic cleansing, it's about depopulation. The other concern that Palestinians had and which was borne out immediately, reported by my colleague Jeremy Scale, who can put this third element up on the screen, this is a statement from Ea Adamawi from the Gaza relief committees

Where he's, if you're watching this, you can pause and read it. But basically what he's describing is that, is the situation that I just described. Amawi also reported, and these are the details of it. Amawi also reported that there are reports of people, and they were directly involved with this, who went to get the aid, you know, give their ID, their name gets run through there, and the guy gets snatched.

A family then gets a phone call from this guy saying, I've been snatched. They want me to ask you. So now we're two degrees of separation away. They want me to ask you about this other person that they're asking about that's a member of this other family's outer orbit. And they tell him, like, we haven't seen this guy before.

since the beginning of this war. Now presumably this is somebody that Israel's looking for. Presume like let's say somebody in Hamas or a fighter or some other resistance group. Like that's the assumption because you know you can't find the guy, you ask his relatives, can't find the relatives, you ask the relatives friends and then so they're so they snatch the guy extort him just to try to find somebody three or four degrees removed from him.

And he's like, that's all I can do. They said they haven't seen him in this long. They're on the phone with him. They're like, okay, come with us. And they just arrest him and detain him. We don't know if he's still alive. We don't know if he's been tortured or what kind of abuse he's suffered at their hands. And this violates one of the top principles of a humanitarian aid organization, which is neutrality. That the aid is not a weapon

in pursuit of Hamas figures who are three or four degrees connected. I don't know who they were looking for. We don't know. But let's assume it was that. That's not what an aid organization is supposed to be doing. So this has exploded predictably into an international controversy, an ongoing international controversy. Let's roll. I'm going to skip ahead here to B5. This is a clip of Press Secretary for the State Department, Tammy Bruce, responding to questions yesterday.

The world has been shocked by what's happened in Gaza over the past few days, the silhouette of a little girl. Well, I said it's been, obviously it's been shocked over generations about what's been happening in Gaza. Sure, absolutely, absolutely. And that Hamas certainly has refused to stop that violence, but go ahead. So, but just in the past few days, we've seen the silhouette of a little girl trying to flee a burning classroom surrounding her, killing people around her. We've seen thousands of Palestinians starved by Israel's blockade, herded between fences as they try to get fed today.

excuse me, a doctor who saw nine of her children killed by Israeli bombs. All the while this administration, of course, as we've seen, has sought to deport students who protest this, including one student who wrote an op-ed against this kind of behavior.

The administration came in telling Americans it would be more pro-peace, more anti-war than the previous – This is beginning to sound like a soliloquy, sir. Do you have a question, please? Than the previous administration. Do you have a question, please? I'm curious – Yes. This is a very serious issue, and everyone has your question. Yes, yes. So please ask it. I wonder how you see this administration being more pro-peace or more anti-war than the previous administration, given these kinds of horrors that Americans are witnessing.

Yes, well, you know, it is a dynamic where, as I also just mentioned a little bit ago, we did achieve a ceasefire, something which nobody thought would be possible after the heinousness of October 7th, the nature of what had occurred on that day. The fact that there has to be a new way, the president has stated, we have to have new ideas.

to make a difference so this stops and doesn't go from generation to generation. What we've got here is after, I don't know, what has it been, three months, a bit over 100 days of President Trump, managing to get, I think, every warring party, every hostile party against other people on this planet to a table to stop. Now, that's the simple part.

Making things happen and making it last is another thing. Hamas, we did have a ceasefire. And then Hamas decided once again that that was just not going to do. And they continue to do what they do. Ryan, I think you wanted to toss to another clip as well. Andrea Mitchell lacing it up.

has been going to the State Department press briefings. She asked a question about this aid delivery mechanism as well. She said, like, why are you using this when you've got Sidney McCain for the World Food Program doing, you've got the UN, you've got plenty of people who could do this. Why are you, like, what are you even doing here? And she elicited a fascinating response from Tammy Bruce. We can roll B6B here.

There's certainly, and this is something the world is watching, something we've all cared about getting resolved. It is not an uncomplicated situation. This is, however, the first time

delivery of major aid, if not the only aid we've been hearing for months. I wish that Cindy McCain had spoken up that they had found a way to move food into Gaza because that certainly hadn't been conveyed to us. But now, which if that's the case, that's great. What I do know is that the people on the ground now, as the number I told you, I think is rather significant, 462,000 meals have

You know, that's what we're focused on. And that this is, and I'm not going to address either gossip or complaints or people who knew or weren't included or would do it a different way or who is shooting at whom. That Hamas, it's not Hamas. The real story here, the story is that aid and food is moving into Gaza at a massive scale at this point when you're looking at 8,000 food boxes.

Was this going to be like going to the mall or through a drive-thru? No, it wasn't. This is a complicated environment, and the story is the fact that it's working. I find it...

that there are people who would go on television shows to complain about a process that is working and moving food into the area. So the idea that it was a mystery that the World Food Program had found a way to get food into Gaza is absurd. Everybody has been witnessing that up until March 2nd when Israel blocked it. The argument that Israel makes publicly is

is that, well, Hamas is stealing the aid. The whole reason that we have to blow up the entire system of humanitarian aid delivery in Gaza is that Hamas was stealing it. And we have no obligation to give aid to Hamas just to like use against us and sell on the black market. So that's the argument they make publicly. So let's let David Satterfield respond to that. So David Satterfield was the Biden administration official

who was responsible for overseeing humanitarian aid and negotiating with the Israelis over that. According to people in the State Department that I talked to, Satterfield almost never pushed back on the Israelis. He was a very, very sympathetic figure. In 2005, and you guys can Google this, Satterfield was listed in an indictment for leaking information

this is under the Bush administration, for leaking classified information to AIPAC. And to, you can look it up, like to this, and AIPAC was linked up with Israel, so it wasn't just to AIPAC, but it was classified information. So this is, now he was never officially charged, he was never charged, and he defended, he said, what I did was above board, and it was not a crime. The point here, this is somebody who,

who is close enough to Israel that he was listed in a 2005 indictment for having leaked classified information to Israel. So this is not something, in other words, this is not a Hamas sympathizer. This is not even one of these State Department officials who you'd call like an Arabist, which are mostly all gone from the State Department. So that's the context I want you to have when you listen to Satterfield get asked the question,

Is Hamas, is there any evidence that Hamas is stealing the aid? So let's roll B6. Hamas was stealing, profiting, and diverting the majority of the aid that was coming in. That is Israel's claim. How do you respond to that? No such allegation.

or evidence in support of allegations like that were ever provided privately by informed Israeli security or political officials. It is a claim which, on the face of it,

is not reflected in any of the experience that those involved in the humanitarian effort have seen. Did Hamas benefit politically from its presence at distribution sites to reinforce to the population of Gaza that they remained effective and in place? Certainly they did. Did Hamas take some assistance? Quite likely. But from the UN and INGO channels, which were highly accountable

Whatever aid was ultimately diverted in any fashion

by Hamas was minimal compared to the aid that was received by the general population. Now, the same can't be said about aid that came in outside the UN or international NGO channels. That's a different matter, and Israel understands that. But we're speaking now of the UN. The allegations that the majority, I've heard some claims all of the assistance was seized by Hamas, that has never been made privately available.

to officials involved in this process, nor demonstrated through evidence. What's so fascinating to me about that answer is he's not saying they never provided evidence that Hamas was stealing the aid. Privately, they never even made that claim. In other words, they know it's not true. They say it publicly because idiots on X will repeat it. Mm-hmm.

But privately, when they're talking to other State Department officials and their counterparts in the relief world, they don't even claim it, let alone provide evidence for it. Well, I thought it was helpful nuance when he said – because he himself wasn't saying that no aid has ever been diverted or looted. Like Hamas just executed four people under the – like Reuters has this story this morning. And they did it a few weeks ago as well for diverting aid. Right. Right.

Which is a, like, that's what Satterfield is saying. Israel-backed gangs that are, like, looting trucks and then Hamas is going back after them. Yeah, it's quite an upside-down world. But it's helpful in the sense of what he's saying is that it's minimal. Whatever is being diverted is minimal. Hamas has tens of thousands of fighters. People are starving. In the last 19 months, those fighters have eaten. Yeah. Was some of that food that came in? Yeah, of course. No doubt. Like, he's saying, yeah. But...

The accusation made broadly is that they take the aid. Everything. They take it all and then they sell it back into the black market at exorbitant prices and then they use that money to then fund their war effort. What are they buying? There are no weapons getting in. They make all their own weapons underground. So even that argument falls apart because what are you going to do with cash?

Like when you're in a full blockade, like a lot of reporters in Gaza who have been able to freelance for international organizations and have like decent amounts of money in their bank account. It's like ash in their hands. It's like you can't – there's nothing to buy. So setting that all aside, yes. Have they eaten some of the foods that come in? Yeah. I mean they've eaten like they're human beings. But yeah. So anyway, like that –

If you wanted to know how serious Israel is about that allegation, they never made it privately. And that's according to Satterfield, who was literally an unindicted co-conspirator in a

Israel conspiracy in 2005 and we can also roll this this clip of the little girl that was being referenced in the question to Bruce This is really difficult to watch but we can roll this is before yeah, you can see this on your screen Ryan Do you know where this is? And one of these girls I'm not sure exactly where but one of these girls one of the girls lived and is is in the hospital her and

entire family has, there she is, her entire family has been wiped out. And it's just another horrific atrocity in an ongoing series of atrocities. And this is what

Netanyahu is pushing against the ceasefire to be able to continue doing this. And I want to roll B2 as well, Ryan. These are the mercenaries. This is what you're going to see on the screen. You'll hear this a little bit. So this is from Mohammed Shahada, who says...

Those are the American mercenaries running GHF's quote-unquote aid concentration camp in Rafah. One of them speaks in an Iraqi dialect. Most of them served in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of them with the infamous Blackwater. They each get paid over $33,000 per month. The second clip here, what you're seeing are... Is this even an authentic clip? I've seen this one going around, yeah.

Go ahead. Yeah, so this is from Cassidy Akiva, who's at the Daily Wire, so obviously enormously pro-Israel population outlet. A source at one of the Gaza distribution sites tells me that Hamas set up a roadblock to prevent Gazans from getting aid. She said they broke through it and were shouting, thank you, America, upon reaching the site. Hamas put out a statement saying that that's absurd, like they did not put up any checkpoints. They would be bombed, like if they did that, like absolutely.

That's just, yeah, that's just, there's just no way that's true, that they set up checkpoints to block people from going there. A, that would turn the population completely against them. They're already turning against them. Right, but completely. Like, okay, so now there's aid here and I can't get through because Hamas is blocking me. A, that's why they wouldn't do that. B, if Hamas is out in the open like that in southern Gaza, surrounded by Israeli military, they would bomb them. Yeah.

I just also wanted to quickly touch on one of the interesting points from Tammy Bruce. You mentioned that her answer was pretty interesting in response to Andrew Mitchell. I thought her other answer was pretty interesting as well that we played because when pressed on this question of how is the Trump administration the pro-peace, more pro-peace than the administration before it, she pointed at the ceasefire. And she did reference the kind of conscience-shocking,

images coming out of Gaza in the last few days and that's where this is for the Trump administration, I think going to culminate in something with Trump, maybe Witkoff as well, where they ultimately just have to make a decision. Netanyahu, and I think that's coming up in the next couple of weeks, is it Netanyahu or is it your new, what did he say during the campaign? President of Peace.

Right. Like, do you want to, you have to, at a certain point as this is coming to a head, make that decision. Um, and. It could even be quicker than that. Cause yeah, this is, this is moving so fast. So Gaza city, um,

um by the way that was Gaza City right and they're coasting right now you know they're sort of coasting on this feud back and forth in the press like the leaks to Barack Ravid that harken back to the Biden administration about how Trump is frustrated and Trump probably is genuinely frustrated with Netanyahu uh but that it feels like it's coming to a sort of Manichean with me or against me choice in the days ahead yeah and the New York Times reporting that

Netanyahu is still agitating to bomb Iran while the negotiations are ongoing. It led to a tense phone call between Trump and Netanyahu. That has echoes of the Biden administration, too. Bibi, stop. Bibi, stop. Netanyahu getting a tongue lashing from angry presidents of the United States and yet continuing to do exactly as he pleases with U.S. weapons and funding.

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Let's move on to this conversation between Tim Pool and Bill Maher on a recent edition of Club Random. We have another interesting Tim Pool clip versus Adam Conover that we'll roll right afterwards. But let's start here with B7. That's one of the main reasons why the far left started to really hate me is because I call out Islam as what it is, extremely illiberal. That's what's so ironic about liberals being so supportive of

of Hamas is because you're liberals and these are the people, I'm sorry, but, but this ideology, Islam, even in its more benign forms. Yes, I agree. Most, the vast majority of Muslims, not terrorists, of course, are,

But Islamists, which is the word we use to describe people who are not terrorists but kind of agree with the things terrorists are doing and are for, that's a much higher number. That's many millions of people. And even the rank and file –

I mean, most Muslim societies live under some form of Sharia law, which no Westerner who thinks that Hamas is so great could ever live under. Your fundamental rights that you take for granted here in America, you would not have. You know, I mean, all the protesters who are protesting in Gaza against Hamas, they've all been killed. They killed protesters.

Women. I mean, do I have to say anything more than just if it was just that issue, how women are treated? Are you fucking kidding me? And the narrative is when I talk to some of these academics, like the anti-woke people, they're like, well, it's because they say that Gaza is oppressed. And I'm like, sure. But they're siding with the second biggest religion in the world, which is authoritarian, fundamentalist.

And like, I don't care if you practice whatever religion you want to practice, it's fine. But it's strange to me to claim that

Islam is oppressed in any meaningful way. - Well, I do care what you practice and I fully defend to the death your right to practice whatever religion you want. Just don't lie to me and say all religions are alike. All religions are not alike and what makes them different mostly is how fundamentalist they are. Fundamentalist means you actually believe what's in the holy book. I mean, there's the Quran, there's the Bible, and they're both full of nonsense.

But we have learned to wink at the Bible in the West. So Tim Pool going on this very bizarre Bill Maher show and knowing, oh yeah, Bill Maher's like this, he's proudly Islamophobic. He really, really hates Islam. I mean, he hates all religions. Yeah. But he really, really hates Islam. If people are curious about his history and his kind of take on

fundamentalist Islam. Google Islamic Renaissance or the Islamic Golden Age. Just go do the Wikipedia on that. It's just not the case that there's anything inherently backwards about Islam. Like,

And go – while you're going through that, then just jump over to like the Christianity and Catholicism Wikipedia page and check how things were going during that period of time. You and I are going to have to smoke a blunt on Club Random and hash this out. I don't agree with that. I don't think anybody would debate that. I think the best argument would be, well, you have to go back to the – that was only 500 years. But his first 500 years is pretty –

It's a pretty informative time. I wouldn't say the first 500 years. There was a pretty violent period at the inception of Islam. Fortunately, no other religion has been linked to any violence around the world. Yeah, that rarely ever happens.

So what is interesting about that is even if I disagree with you on that point, I also completely disagree. And I think a lot of people increasingly disagree with Bill Maher that there was this neoconservative, and I know he's not technically a neocon, but there was a neoconservative linking intentionally after 9-11 of political Islam, fundamentalist Islam, with this particular conflict as though because there are radical groups

There's political radicalism in Gaza that necessitates a policy that is pro-Israel no matter what Israel wants to do whenever Israel wants to do it. And that conflation is absurd. And I feel like it's falling apart. The sort of construction that created public support for policies predicated on that is falling apart right now. And it's falling apart since, you know, after October 7th.

Yeah, I would just say the Islamism that he's talking about is a fairly recent innovation.

like talk about the last hundred years and like a kind of reaction in some quarters to modernity and but actually also partially a reaction to the policy of Palestine a policy towards from the west towards Palestine after World War two predates that a little bit, but yeah, it does It's definitely posts like Spokoe and all that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's not irrelevant and in the collapse of kind of pan-arab socialism Why does Iran support?

Hamas to some extent, because it's an extremely important question for a lot of fundamentalists. So it's not irrelevant. And actually, you can make the argument that continuing a sort of blanket check policy towards Israel actually makes the problem worse. Although, yeah, Iran supported the resistance from the beginning of the revolution in 79, and Hamas doesn't come around until

Like the 90s or whatever. In 79, but that's after the creation of modern Israel. That has been baked into it since the creation of Israel. And so watching Poole, I don't quite understand what's up with this guy. This guy was taking money literally from Russia, right? Unknowingly, but yeah. Allegedly unknowingly. I mean, I think it's actually a crazy story. He's taking money from...

Whether he knew it was from Russia or not, he knew it was money and it was to influence his editorial content. Yes, absolutely. That aside, here he is talking to Adam Conover with one of the most harebrained things I've ever heard. This is incredible. And then she's being like forcibly deported. Do you think that's good for America? Like this is – okay, so – Marginally.

What do you think is good, even marginally? What's the minor small benefit to America? Do not come to our country and rally against it and its interests. And I apply this too to any of these communities. So what is the U.S. interest that her writing an op-ed— Suez Canal.

The Suez Canal. Right. The United States. The reason why the U.S. is so I love these Jews, people that are like Israel controls the foreign policy. Oh, shut up. The U.S. interest in is with Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia has a lot to do with like the Red Sea and the Suez Canal. This is why Donald Trump is obsessed with Panama and Greenland. He wants to control the global trade routes is what America's largely done. This is that's why I say it's it's it's.

It's a gross mischaracterization to claim that an op-ed is a threat to national security in that it is in the smallest of senses. Students coming here and telling us to oppose our support with Israel puts us at risk in terms of the sentiment of a younger generation as to whether or not we'll fund Israel and control the Suez Canal.

But I asked you if you thought it was good to deport her. I said marginally. All right, so Suez Canal. That's my new, anytime you say something, you ask me a question, I'm just going to sit back and go, Suez Canal. So if you write an op-ed that could have a bank shot. Suez Canal!

Suez Canal. Okay, well, all right. Suez Canal is so important. Then lifting the kind of Red Sea blockade of all shipping. Like Egypt's been really suffering with foreign currency coming in because of the Houthi kind of shutdown of shipping lanes. So shouldn't it then be in the U.S. national interest to end the siege of Gaza? Yeah.

create a Palestinian state so that this conflict ends, so that the traffic flows more freely through the Suez Canal. Therefore, APAC is actually the one that is undermining U.S. national security. And anybody associated with them who's not an American citizen, according to Poole, should be deported. In fairness to Poole, and I've been on his show and I don't really have anything against him, but in fairness to him, I think what he was trying to do is explain the administration's

point of view on this, but I don't think that is accurate. I doubt that's even there. I don't think it is. Their point of view is Canary Mission or one of these other organizations gave us the name, Rumesa Ozturk, and we arrested her. Right. Done. That's it. Yeah, no, I think that's right. We do what we're told. Yeah, I think that's right.

Moving on. Suez Canal. That's just, it's like Watch What Happens Live drinking game. The little neon sign in the corner is Suez Canal from here on out. I know you're probably watching this around noon or 1 p.m. at your desk, but Suez Canal, every time you hear it, take a drink. Incredible stuff.

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