Dick Van Dyke & Arlene Silver
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Welcome back to Where Everybody Knows Your Name with me, Ted Danson, and me, Mary Steenburgen.

And we're married, for those of you who don't know that. Because of the fires in LA, we're not at the Team Coco studio as we usually are. We're hunkered down in our home. We're safe, sad, but safe. I know a lot of you have been watching this on TV and social media. And like all of us, everybody wants to find a way to help.

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First, we're going to talk about the remarkable Dick Van Dyke and his wife, Arlene Silver, who we got to talk to in their Malibu home a couple of months ago. It was an unreal experience. It really was. You know, for us, Dick was...

has been a hero. Since we were very young, we watched him in movies and on television. I think for you, the Dick Van Dyke show was very seminal. Literally the first thing I saw when I got my first TV, because I grew up without a television. Well, but quickly tell them how you got your television. All right. I was at Stanford University and I grew up without, literally, this was my first TV. My parents didn't want a TV in the house.

I got back at them, didn't I? I found this old discarded TV on the street at Stanford and I put it up in my dorm room and I crawled out on the roof to tap into the cable of some teacher that lived below us. Forgive me. And turned on the TV at 11 o'clock in the morning and literally saw Dick

tripping over the ottoman on the dick van dyke show and i was in love from that moment i mean one of the most remarkable physical comedians we've ever had uh the pleasure of being exposed to so i have to say going to their house i i had no idea what it would be like and it's this lovely old spanish home in malibu is

It's just filled with fantastic memorabilia and love letters from all kinds of people. Charlie Chaplin, he has this letter from Charlie Chaplin. There's a life-size sculpture of Dick that's very real looking and you keep kind of being startled because you think he's some...

behind you. And that was from Mary Poppins. What I took away when I left there was we had just interviewed one of the oldest people I know, and also his partner in crime, who's a lot younger than him, but the two of them are beautifully like children together. They play, they work,

laugh constantly. They love to dance. She adores him, and she's very much like this wonderful, supportive archive of his life.

If he can't remember a name, and by the way, he remembers so much detail, but when he can't remember a year or a name or something, she knows it. She's like this wonderful dig-ven-dig computer that knows all the answers, and they're joyful answers.

It was kind of one of our best double dates. But the room was surrounded with production people and cameras and sound people and producers. And everyone, everyone in that room felt like we were experiencing something magical. Anyway, we're probably talking too much about it. We should just let them speak for themselves. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, Dick Van Dyke and Arlene Silber.

Thank you for letting us into your home. Oh, thanks for coming. All of us. So much easier. They just lowered the federal rate a half a percent. And that means we know nothing about money. Literally. Tell me what that means and if that's a good thing. He doesn't either.

I was talking today about guys like Tom Hanks. Yeah. Who are not only good actors, but you have a business sense. Yeah. And he's out producing. I don't do anything. No, no, I don't have any business head whatsoever. Just so you know, we've been so excited.

All week that we sat in bed this morning having our many cups of coffee watching Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Yeah. It wasn't on, was it? No. No, we found it. Well, it can be. You just go to Apple TV and there it is. And I hadn't seen it for quite a few years. And-

We're singing. We're singing the song. Speaking of business, I'm supposed to own 20 bucks out of that movie, but I haven't seen any checks in 30 years. Oh, my goodness. Did they come for a while and then stop? No, they never came. Oh. Yeah. We'll call Tom Hanks and we're going to get a lawsuit going. Right. Get you your money. But didn't you just... We're going to jump all over the place, but didn't you hurt yourself on that film? Yes, I did. I...

Like the other dancers who warm up. I didn't warm up before a dance number and I'm twice as their age. And I had to kick on. Remember we were going around the, in the bakery. Yes. I stuck my foot out and tore the muscle in the back of my leg. Oh yeah. Yeah.

So we shot other stuff till I healed up. So you were fine? You got through the old bamboo fine? Yeah. That one looks so tricky. I never have on Broadway. You know, the kids would be out on the stage warming up. I never warmed up. I never vocalized. Nothing. Just walk out and do it.

Very unprofessional of me. That's like Barbra Streisand. She never sings around the house. She barely warms up ever. Really? Yes. I asked her husband, I said, so when she goes in the shower, do you just like run there and stand there listening? And he goes, no, she doesn't sing in the shower. She doesn't sing. She doesn't have to. No, it's crazy. You told me that she goes up on a piano and goes...

along to tone her voice. That's what you told me. That's what she told me. Okay, well. I introduced her the first time, her first trip to Los Angeles many years ago. I introduced her at some hotel. I got to introduce her. Coconut Grove? Was it the Coconut Grove? Maybe. My memory is, I can't remember what I had for breakfast. Yeah, I'm his memory.

You're welcome to the club. We almost look alike, don't we? We do. You guys have such a similarity. Such similar tall, beautiful shapes and both so graceful. Yeah, we look like brothers. Let me jump to my origin story with you. I grew up without a television in Arizona. My mother didn't want one, so we didn't have one. My first TV...

I was at Stanford University. I found one on the street, lifted it up to our room, plugged it in, and tapped into some teacher's antenna, crawled out on the roof, turned it on, and it was around 11 o'clock in the morning. And it was a rerun of the Dick Van Dyke Show. And as I turned it on, it literally was you tumbling over the ottoman. Oh, really? Yeah.

And I was smitten. And I was your fan and stalker from that moment on. I remember early on when I started to do Cheers, and we'd be at a similar event. Yeah. I could almost feel like your eyes started to cross when you saw me coming towards you again to tell you that story or worship at your feet. You are my hero, Jake. So I was your introduction to TV. You were. Yeah.

Yeah. And to physical comedy. Nobody, nobody does it as well as you did it. Really. Well, I practiced a lot as a kid. I used to go to Laurel and Hardy movies on Saturday and then come home and falling down on the grass. Practicing falling. Yeah, I was prepared. And what town was that? Where did you grow up? Oh, in Danville, Illinois. Yeah. Didn't you get a chance to say something to Stan Laurel to...

Oh, yeah. Were you acclaimed? I started looking for my, you know, Stan and Buster Keaton the minute I got out here. I was looking up a phone number one day, and there was Stan Laurel in Santa Monica. And I called him up. He knew me from the show. So I got to go out to his house and meet him, and I've got pictures. And I did the same with Buster Keaton.

Well, it was House in the Valley. They were in the phone book? No, he wasn't in the phone book. I got him through Stan. Stan was in the phone book, though. You know, I did the eulogies at both of their funerals. Really? Yeah. And the one to Stan ended up in a book of the 100 best eulogies of the century by Stan. Really? Yeah, I worked hard on it. Yeah. Wow. I remember you quoted in the book you wrote, um,

that you told him, Stan, I did steal a lot of my material from you. And he just went, I know. He did. He said, I know. That's right. I've got his derby. Yeah. And I've got Buster Keaton's pool set, pool cue. Wow. Oh, wow.

I'm going to look. Oh, look. Yeah. That had quite a history. Somebody picked it up on the camera team, I think, when he died, took it home, gave it to his uncle. And I didn't get it until not too long ago when his uncle died. I think it got lost in a card game. Oh, was that how it happened? Yeah. So we have it now. You also mentioned your other hero was Carl Reiner.

I love that you mentioned that. He was not only a great talent, he was one of the nicest people I ever knew. He was an angel, that guy. Loved him. If you don't mind me pushing this around. How did that, the Dick Van Dyke show, come to be? Where did it come into your life? How was it? Well, I was still, I was doing Bye Bye Birdie for a year, and the pilot came up, and he

My agent told me it was between me and Johnny Carson to do the pilot. And I thought, well. And so when the birdie was over, no way, I took a week off. Flew out here and did a pilot with Carl and came back and he called me and said it sold. And then the end of the first season, we got canceled. Really? Got canceled. We were on against Perry Como.

who was on NBC, and he beat us every night. So we got canceled. Sheldon Leonard, who was the executive producer, went down to Cincinnati to Procter & Gamble and talked them into it. He said, this show deserves another chance. And they gave us another chance. And then we ran for five years. Wow. Did they move the night?

Did they move it to a different one? I think we, during that first year, bounced around a little bit. Yeah. I think, what was the final night? Tuesday? I don't know. I came in with reruns. Yeah. That's right. Didn't have the TV. When were you born? 47. 47? Yeah. I got married in 48. When you think I go back to 25, I'm almost 100. I know. This is nuts.

You were about a month old when my father's sister was born. She's about a month younger than you. Really? And you're both going to celebrate your 100th birthday. Oh, great. Yeah, I'm going to have a big party. I love the book you wrote about, we're talking about age, and how you never thought about age until somebody came along and said,

Write a book about age.

But for you, it was never a thing at all. - Oh, no. - You would just live your life. - I've got another book in me by now. - Oh, several. - That was what, 50 years ago? - No, no, no, the Keep Moving book. - Oh, Keep Moving. - It was like 10, I think it was 10. - Yeah. - 15 years ago. - Well, somebody said, "To what do you attribute your age and physical condition?" I said, "I've always exercised. Three days a week, we go to the gym still."

three days a week, and I think that's it. Why I'm not stove up like my equals. That's one of the, I had met you before at events, and then we lived in Malibu for a while, Mary and I and kids and everybody, and I would go to the same gym you did, and if I got there early enough,

I would see you literally work out on some weight machine. And then almost like you were doing circuit training, you would not walk to the next machine. You dance. You literally dance to the next machine. And I watched that for a couple of weeks. And finally, I talked to you about your exercise. And you said you would come to the gym and work out for whatever hour, whatever it is. Then you would go home. You would swim laps for hours.

Whatever. And then get back into bed and take a nap. And then take a nap. Exactly. Yeah. Good routine. Was that at Canaan? Yes. The upstairs kind of gym. Yeah. You should see the new one. Oh. Really great. Yeah. Yeah.

just a couple of blocks from here. - Do you do what, elliptical stuff? What do you do? What do you work out? - Well, I get down and do a lot of stretching and yoga type things, sit-ups. And they have machines. You know, sit-up machines. - Just the circuit again. - Yeah, something for almost every exercise. And she works out too. Can I tell you my favorite experience in my life? I was 15 years old in Crawfordsville, Indiana,

My dad had just been transferred there. I was a freshman in high school on the freshman track team, running the 100 and the 200, the high jump. Across the street from me was Wabash College. And on Saturdays, they had their track meets. So I'd go over and watch that, and our coach would be one of the officials. One day, they were running against Purdue. And he came over and he said, the anchor man on the relay team twisted his ankle. You want to run it?

I said, yeah, sure. I ran barefoot against Purdue, beat the guy by five yards. Beat him by five yards. Purdue guy, I'm 15. I couldn't believe it. I thought, I'm going to the Olympics. I was never that fast again. I think it was the bare feet.

Makes the difference. So bare feet was just for that moment or did you go barefoot a lot? No, I didn't go barefoot after. They wouldn't let me. He's barefoot now. But the Africans all run barefoot. He's always barefoot. That's true. But I was really fast. That's another secret. You're always barefoot. Yeah. I am always barefoot. The grounding. You remember when Fosbury...

The Fosbury flop went over seven feet backwards. Yes, yes, they do. The first time in my life I ever swore, I said, son of a bitch, when I saw that. Because the old Western roll. Or the scissors. When I started, it was just the scissors. Yeah, they didn't get you anywhere. No. And there was the Western roll and the Eastern roll. Yeah. But he went over backwards over seven feet, and everybody...

Why didn't somebody think of that before? That's amazing. No girls are jumping that high. So how did you, wait, so there are two things I want to talk about. Your voice, you were singing a cappella early on in life, is that right? Well, yeah, I sang with the choir in high school and then formed a barbershop quartet, which I still have.

Are you still doing that? I knew you did it up until. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Nobody does barbershop anymore. I was looking for a new bass. Can't find anybody who even heard of it. What else do we do at the gym? We sing duets all day. But I play music he knows. Right. And I play it in the sound system, and he's singing. Her music, I don't understand. Yeah, so I had to learn music he knows, so I've learned thousands of songs. She knows every 40 song there is.

They're pretty great. Yeah, they are great. They are. Yeah. Did you take dance classes early on? No. No. When I first got in the business and actually started working, I thought somebody's going to find out that I have no training and I want to be in trouble because I never had dancing, acting, singing, nothing. I just broke in and managed to fool everybody all these years.

Wait, so Dick, did you first go to New York and you did Bye Bye Birdie there or did you come to California first? Touring with your partner, Phil. Yeah, we had a record act. Another local guy and me called the Merry Mutes. Very popular in those days. Panamiming to records, you know, Bing Crosby and Mary Martin. We traveled all over the country as an act. Yeah.

Yeah, and we ended up in Atlanta, Georgia because we liked it. And we finally split up. I got a job at a television station as an announcer and doing a show. And I got a buddy of mine from the Army, from the Air Force, ended up a director at CBS and said, I'll pay you way up if you want to do an audition. So I go to New York. Who was the gal's name?

I did it on a show. Oh, Janie Ford? No, no. Anyway, it was...

some opera singer who had a show. And at the end of it, they held the audience over and I did my little act. I sang a song, which I can't remember. Once in Love with Amy? Once in Love with Amy with a little horseshoe. A little horseshoe. A little horseshoe. And I did a little monologue and that was it.

And the next morning, they called me in and said, you've got a seven-year contract, just like that. Wow. Starting at $20,000 a year. That was twice what I was making. So we moved to New York.

And I was the host of The Morning Show, the CBS Morning Show for a year. With the anchor, who was the anchor? Somebody famous. Walter Cronkite. Walter Cronkite was my newsman. That's just so astounding. I'd never heard that. Nobody ever heard me because Dave Garraway was on NBC and took all the ratings. But Walter...

Had just come from radio, of course. Wonderful man. You know, he did a striptease. I never saw it, but I understand it was sensational. But finally, they wanted to transfer him to nighttime, and he came to me and said, Dick, what did I do? I said, you jerk, I can't fire anybody. I'm lucky to have this job. So he went to nighttime and became Walter Gronkite.

He was a wonderful guy. And who was your news lady?

Tell me. Barbara Walters. Barbara Walters. Well, she was continuity at the time. She was writing. Well, still. So we're in each other's books. Yeah. So did you leave that seven-year contract then to go do Bye Bye Birdie? No, CBS left that contract. They broke up with you. They kept me for three years. They tried me as a game show host.

I was awful and I forget what else. You did the pilot for Price is Right.

I did the pilot for Price is Right. You're amazing, by the way. I know everything. She's my memory. I wish. We have a half a brain each. When we play Wordle, we do it together. We do it together because together we're genius, but not separately. No, they called me in and got an audience off the street, and I...

Did it, you know, a pilot of it. And I went home and I said, the dumbest thing. People guessing how much something costs. That's a television show? That was 50 years ago. I still don't understand it. You know?

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How did you get to Bye Bye Birdie on stage? CBS dropped me, and there I was on Long Island with a family and no job. So I just started going around auditioning for everything, you know, opera and ballet, anything. I stood in lines all day, every day. And I auditioned for Gower Champion, who directed it. And I sang Once in Love with Amy and did my little thing again. He came up and said, you've got the part.

I've always thought it was because we were almost the same height, build and everything. And then I almost got fired out of town because I wasn't delivering. I was a wreck. You go to Philadelphia with the show and still perform for audiences, but you're still trying things. And for some reason, I was just a nervous wreck about Broadway.

And they brought a tune down for Chita Rivera. And she said, look, Dick hasn't done anything to do in the first act. Why don't you give it to him? It was happy face. Wow. She gave me happy face. Oh, my gosh. Which won me a Tony. Yeah. Yeah. And what year was that? 61. 61, something like that. Because then once I got a year there, I came straight out to Carl and we started the show.

And that was 61 to 65 or 66. 61 to 66, I think. Yeah, it was five years. Nobody wanted to quit the show, but Carl wanted to go on and do some movies and things. I mean, the cast was, we were heartbroken. We had such fun. It was such a great group. Wasn't like coming to work at all. Kind of was fun. Half those scripts were written on the floor.

He'd give us a basic script, and then between Rosie and Maury and me, we started throwing lines. Right. Yeah, that was the fun of it. There was improv in there? A lot of it, yeah. Yeah. Even on the air there was. Really? Sometimes. Well, we had an audience, and I could never understand how can you do comedy without an audience? You need them to...

Working with you, you know. I found you never as good in your rehearsal or dress rehearsal as you are with the audience. It takes you to a whole new place. You come up several notches. Yeah. And they guide you. They can change the mood by their reaction. Yeah. The longest laugh I ever got in my life was one that CBS didn't want us to do, but we thought our babies were mixed up.

And the other couple turns out to be black when they walk in. Right. We had to cut the cameras because the audience wouldn't stop laughing. And the network was scared to death of it. Scared to death of it back in those days. Oh, what a laugh. It was just great. I got to work with Mary once. She was a good one. Mary Tyler Moore. Mary Tyler Moore, yeah. You know, from day one, she just had it.

She just had it. Carl picked her because of her voice. You know, she had that high-pitched ping in her voice. The pilot, she was, you know, good. She played her part.

But after working with Maury and Rosie and me, she picked it up. By the third show, she was dynamite. She was the greatest. Yeah, I couldn't have picked anybody better. And I'm so happy for her. Her career went. Yes. And you were a big part of that. You really championed, actually, all the women that you worked with. And that wasn't true of all the women.

The male actors of your time. But you were really so, you know, she had the nicest things to say about you. Mary did? Yeah. Oh, great. You know, when the show was over, I could tell the network just saw her as the wife who supported it. She wasn't getting anything from the network. So we did a special called Dick Van Dyke and the Other Woman where we showcased everything she did. Dan said she just blew the place away. The next day they called her.

And got the Mary Tyler Moore show. Oh, this was after the show. Yeah. Oh, wow. The network, you got to nudge them a little bit. They didn't get it that she was great.

So that was through 66, the Dick Van Dyke show. Did you take time off or do Bye Bye Birdie during the summer? When did you shoot? I did Bye Bye Birdie during the summer. Wow. Right. We did Bye Bye Birdie and then you left it to do the Dick Van Dyke show, right? But the movie. Oh, the movie. The movie. Uh-oh. I'm going to talk about the movie. Did you ever see the stage show? No. It was a

It just made me so angry. It was a romp on Broadway. It was just such a great hit. And they rewrote it for Ann-Margaret. Ann-Margaret. Right. And changed all the lines, changed everything. Took out some of the songs.

And it was nothing compared to the Broadway show. It just missed entirely. And the only two from the original were Paul Lynn and me, and we were both saying, this is terrible. They really ruined it. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, can't go back and fix it. But the Broadway show just flew.

Who played? I thought Maureen Stapleton was very funny in the movie. Yeah, she was amazing. That was the first thing I think I saw her. You know, she was afraid of going out in the world bothered her. She didn't like to cross the street by herself. She had the strength. Yeah. Sweet as she could be. What about the Hollywood? Because she had this phobia. The Hollywood party, the rap party, Paul Lynde.

Can I say these things? Yes, you can. You can say anything. We're at a big long table and Paul Lynn leans down to the table. Ann-Margaret, I'm the only one here that doesn't want to fuck you. That's great. Paul was as funny as you can get. Yes.

A nice guy, except when he drank. And then he got a little, you know, sharp. Was that an example of him drinking a little bit? Oh, yeah. I thought the party for the movie was at the director's house. Right.

Everybody had finished eating. We came in the living room. Oh, no. Maureen was sitting on the floor with a bowl of salad. It's like his first Hollywood party. Oh, my God. I guess everybody's dead. I'm not hurting anybody's feelings. Wow.

Tell me about, I loved the movie, now I'm blanking on his name, that Carl Reiner wrote for you and directed, The Comet. I thought that was outstanding, where you played the silent movie star.

Yeah. It didn't do anything. People wouldn't go to see me do a serious role. I know. And it wasn't really a serious role. But we would go out with a camera, a handheld 16, and look for things to do. Right. If a fire engine went by, I jumped on it. And we had reams of...

footage unfortunately had disappeared just fun things we did out out in public and then we took all the film out in my backyard and dragged it over the grass to make it look old oh really so it would project yeah like an old movie oh that's great they're so authentic those those silent movies felt that it was a great example of that period we thought we really caught it but um

People didn't want to see it. And what was the other one? Nowadays, people always talk about that movie. Oh, it's wonderful. And your performance is astounding. Yeah, it is. Of a recovering or still alcoholic, I can't remember the character. You had a drinking problem. Yeah. Yeah. During it. No, well. No, no, the character you played. The character you're playing. Yeah.

Was a recovering alcoholic. Yeah, I think so. The other one was Morning After that you loved. That was a crazy guy. Mickey Rooney. Do you talk about your sobriety? Do you talk about it in your book?

Not much. It's been, what, 45, 50 years. Right. I went through a short period where I realized I was trapped. And I went and AA and got help right away. Went to some place where you... Rehab. Rehab, yeah. One of those things. You had to go to rehab. Yeah. I didn't have it for long. Right. What took me the longest was smoking.

Wow. Did you ever smoke? Yeah, it was tough. It took me, we both did. It was brutal. That's rough. Brutal. We did a movie about it.

That's right. With Norman Lear. What was the name of it? Cold Turkey. Cold Turkey. And we had both, we were doing pretty good, not smoking, but he had to direct a room full of local people. It had to be smoke filled. Everybody was smoking. And it was one little lady who didn't know how to do it. And Norman said, no, hold it like this. And I saw him take the draw and I thought, oh, his eyes go. He smoked a pack that day.

I saw it. I should have said no, but his eyes just changed. Yeah. I've never, I've never trusted people who can smoke one cigarette a day. It's like, I'm one cigarette away from a pack a day. I know. Yeah. I got, how do you do that? One a day? No, it's like one drink a day. Yes. But you love your Nicorette now. You, you, I'm still on Nicorette to this day. Yeah.

Yeah, I still chew it. And it's the delivery system that's bad for you, right? It's the smoke and the tar. The nicotine, if you deliver it through gum, is not harmful for you. Is that right? It can be at an excessive rate. I mean, the amount he does, it could cause some. I mean, like in your bloodstream, the nicotine. But it doesn't get in your lungs. No, no, no. It's much better than smoking. Tom Poston was in that movie.

And he couldn't, the whole town had to quit smoking to get the money. And he couldn't stop smoking because he was also a drunk, a very rich drunk. And I don't know how many takes I had to do to get through. He just broke me up because the drinking bone is the smoking bone. He said, you see, there goes, and I, every, what do you call me? Riverman, Riverman,

I bet I did 12 takes, and I couldn't hold it. I just kept falling apart. But he is funny in that thing. Are you a giggler on set? Yes. I'm so glad to hear it. Do you do it? I am the worst. I'm terrible. I humiliate myself. I get out of control. It's funny. Yeah. Deacon, you know, the big guy? Yeah. When he was going to go up,

a bead of sweat would appear, and I would know, and I would go. He was going to go up, but I'd see that bead of sweat. I couldn't stand it.

Are there outtakes from the Mary Tyler Moore show? Do you guys, did anybody ever? There are some. There's an outtake real, I think. There is. Oh, my God. I bet that's great. On YouTube, you can find it. But Carl didn't like it.

I heard that Carl didn't like showing that because it breaks the reality. Actually, I looked at him later and I didn't think he was all that funny. We thought, you know, we broke up and thought it was funny. Can we jump around a little bit more? Because when I first met you, I also heard stories of how you were building, I don't know if you built that, but building...

I don't know if it's paper mache or what it was, life replicas of people that you made so a woman could sit with this man next to her in the seat of her car. It's Halloween. He makes monsters. Yeah, I make Halloween monsters. We do a Halloween a block long. Oh, yeah. We're obsessed. Thousands of people come. We're on, what, 40th year or something?

Well, you've been doing this since the 60s, but then we do... He was going to stop doing it 10 years ago. We sold all the monsters. James Cameron used to be our neighbor, and we had competing Halloweens. And he bought all of our monsters, and we said, yeah, we're going to stop. It's too much work. And then when Halloween came around, we were sad that we liked the street thing. That's what made the marriage, Halloween and singing together. It's coming pretty soon, too. So we...

um, I thought, well, what else can we do? That's not a lot of work. And I love to lip sync. So I did Ursula on the steps out here and, um, everyone loved it. And, and then Dick's like, we got to get a stage. We got to get lights. That was 10 years ago. I've been doing Ursula for 10 years and we do a live show with puppets and dancing. And he comes out if,

If he feels like it. They put a stage in front of the garage. Yeah. We have it set up right now. Real lighting and everything. Yeah. That's fantastic. We get so many kids. It's really fun. It's just great. We love it. We open the gates from six to nine so that all the kids can come in.

Yeah, it's fun. So maybe I got the mannequin thing wrong, but I do know you were into computer and CG. CGI. Yeah, animation. Didn't they let you do something professionally on a film? Yeah, a motorcycle thing of a motorcycle going off a cliff. And I did it in Lightwave.

My little CG machine. Yeah, and they used it. So I got a credit for a special effect. That's great. Yeah, great hobby. Do you still play around with that? I do. It's kind of grown past me. It's gotten so complicated. Arlene, can we talk about how you guys met? Sure. I was backstage in the green room of what? SAG Awards. SAG Awards. Right. And we're just sitting there by myself. And she walked by.

And for the first time in my life, I approached her. I just jumped up. I said, hi, I'm Dick. Almost without thinking. And she sat down. I introduced myself. And I was totally in love at first sight. Wow. And I found out she was a makeup lady. And I said, you can come on my show. She had one business card left. Gave it to me in my little fist.

And I got her on the show as makeup. A Hallmark movie. Was that what it was? Yeah. A Hallmark? But what did I say to you, the first thing I said to you? Well, she didn't know who I was. No, that's not true. Well, she was very iffy. Of course I know who he is. He's Dick Van Dyke. I said, I had never seen anything he was in. She had never seen Mary Poppins. Right. I think she thought I was Christopher Palmer. No. That's great. No. I...

I knew that Julie Andrews was in another movie like Sound of Music. And there was a guy in it like Christopher Plummer. So Dick was always like in my peripheral. Yeah. I knew who he was. I mean, he's Dick Van Dyke. But when I met him, I went, I don't know why I know who he is. Because the cast of Mary Tyler Moore was there to give an award for best cast at SAG Awards. So Dick said, will you watch...

Will you watch my seat? I'm going to go get my makeup done. And I'm like, okay, I didn't believe him. And then the cast goes out. No, he sits down. And then the cast goes out to give the award. And he comes over and sits next to me. And I said, aren't you supposed to go out with them? Because I thought he was on the Mary Tyler Moorish. I was like wrong about everything. And then you said, oh, what do you do? And I said, um...

I'm a makeup artist. I've had a million jobs, but at that night, I was a makeup artist. And he said, oh, I'm doing this murder mystery thing. I might need a makeup artist. I said, oh, hasn't that been on the air for a long time? Because Diagnosis Murder had been off the air for 10 years. It was this little hallmark. I just was wrong about everything. Were you aware that he was...

looking at you? No, no, not at all. In a way, it was kind of good for me because

She wasn't over-impressed or anything. I was just a guy. It doesn't sound like she was very impressed at all. It was a hard sell. I'll say that. They're at the after party. I always go to the after party and I put my makeup away and then we go to the after party. And Dick never goes to an after party. And there's pictures of him going into the after party, like he's looking for me. And I was...

putting my makeup away so I didn't I wasn't even in there yet and then um people were coming up to me at the party saying were you talking to Dick Van Dyke and I'm like yeah what I was like I didn't think it was that big of a deal and then I went to work the next day I was working at a makeup school and I told them I met Dick Van Dyke and they're like what you know just you know

Well, going through the crowd, my manager was with me. And he kept saying, what is it? What are you doing? What is the matter with you? I wouldn't tell him. I had to find this picture because Dick is all smiles and big eyes. And then Bob, his publicist, is behind him just like so puzzled. Like he doesn't know what he's doing. He knows I don't go to parties. Yeah. There's something you, I don't know if you wrote it in the book, but in reference to you guys getting together,

It just struck me. I loved it. That was me coughing, not breaking up in tears. Sorry. Although it's a wonderful phrase. You said in reference to being a widower and then finding love again, that a happy heart is a horrible thing to waste.

Did I say that? Yes, it's a quote from your book. That's a good quote. Yeah. But she's certainly done that for me. Kept me, you know, alive and working and young.

There's so many beautiful photos of the two of you around here, dancing and singing. You have a water slide outside. It feels like... Her Emmy is on the mantle there, which she won for producing a Bandai special. For the special, yeah. All my others are in here. Well, it feels like you two have...

a lot of joy together. Oh yeah. The whole house. We have so much fun. I'm assuming a lot of laughter. Oh yeah. Boy, do we laugh a lot. Yeah. Where did you, how did you two meet? Um, here and there, Hollywood style married to other people. Um, Henry Winkler, uh, barbecue in his backyard birthday party. Um, at an audition, I auditioned to play Mary's husband in cross Creek, um,

Did not get it, thank God, because I was a mess. And she wouldn't have even seen me. And then later we made a movie together. Oh, you did work together. Yeah, we did. I had just announced to everybody that would listen that I was done with love, that I look like someone who would be good at love, but I'm actually terrible at love. And I have two beautiful children. I'm finished.

finit no more then i work with him then i fall in love so uh but that was 31 years ago yeah awesome happy to be wrong about it yes yeah i i couldn't bear to live alone i'm not alone oh my god i can't stand my own company for an hour but i i i think people uh

grow spiritually or whatever in the real big way. They grow in different ways. I have to grow in relationship. My growth comes from my relationship with Mary. I can't imagine. Emotionally, I mean, maturity and wisdom. Yeah. And just following new paths together and inspiring each other. You know something I've noticed? Hitting 99%

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Dealing with people. It's interesting. You don't think you were able to do that when you were younger? No. Yeah. No, I got taken quite a lot. Oh, you did? You're very naive and innocent. Yeah. Which is good. It's good to be that way. I'm getting pretty suspicious these days. Well, the holiday season is over, but the cold weather is sticking around.

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Idiot. Can I ask a question about you and another one of my heroes, Fred Astaire? Yeah, he came to visit me on the set of Bye Bye Birdie. And I had on my best suit.

And I've got a picture with him where I look like Emmett Kelly next to him. He was so well-tailored, but he liked my dancing. And it just blew me away that I was an amateur. He said, I like the way you move.

Oh, my God. That must have meant the world. You heard him talk on the radio about that. Yeah. And yeah, I heard him on the radio say he liked the kid from... West Side Story. West Side Story. Yeah. And he said, I like the way Dick Van Dyke moved. I wish I had that recording. I had a letter that somebody sent me, a friend of Charlie Chaplin's, in which in the middle of it, he said, have you seen Dick Van Dyke?

Charlie Chaplin. That's amazing. I've got that pinned on the wall. You have Stan Laurel letters, too, of him talking. Oh, yeah. Letters from Stan. We should have a music. Our house is too small. I have so many things that are cool like that. Yeah. You remember Jacques Tati? Yes. Yes, French. I was working in Paris, and I kept trying to find him. I wanted to meet him, and they said he was a hermit.

He would come into a drugstore and take some candy and leave and not pay for it. He was known for that. And they just let him. But he was, I couldn't find him. He was like a shadow. I never got to meet him. The movies are like Mr. Hooley's Holiday or something. The Hooley's Holiday. Yes. All mine. He wouldn't speak.

Never spoke. Yeah. Yeah, it just blew me away. He was so good. Yeah. Did you ever see Marcel Marceau? Yes. Yes. When he was working down in the village. Yeah. Oh. He was appearing. I made every Wednesday matinee. Every one. I'd go back and watch him. Finally got to meet him. Got asked backstage, and he turned into Henny Youngman. He'd joke with us. Yeah. That's who he is.

It's like a release for him. But we were going to do an hour mime show together, and he died on me. Yeah. We were going to all do mime, and I was so excited about it, just to be put up there with him. And he died at a rather young age. What else did I miss?

People die in Hollywood. Not much. We're outliving everybody. Ed Asner and I were going to do Odd Couple. We were going to do Odd Couple with Ed Asner. That was one of your favorite people working. I loved him. I worked with him a few times. He was so great. We did Elf together. He was Santa Claus in Elf.

Well, talk a little bit, can we ask you about a couple of movies like Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, which I love. Was that a wonderful experience? Oh, yeah. You know, Mary Poppins took the insight of four months and Chitty Bang Bang took over a year.

But we had to leave England and go to Europe just to get some sun. It was raining too much. Too much rain and clouds. You couldn't get any light. So we're going through what's supposed to be the English countryside and their vineyards, the French vineyards, actually. We did all that shooting in France. Yeah, it took forever to do, but I loved every minute of it. I just loved it.

Lionel Jeffries. Lionel Jeffries, one of my heroes. We had such a friendship. But he was younger than me. He played my father. He was five years younger. Was he really? Oh, my goodness. Great cast. A lot of fun. Really good cast. You know, that car was a big, heavy thing. It had a four-cylinder engine in it. So you really couldn't get going very good.

Was that a real car? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. There's a couple of them around the country now. Yeah, it was perfect. Just beautiful. Yeah. Well, the one from the special was a replica. There's a lot of replicas. From the special? Yeah. People just make a car. Oh, yeah. It was done right down at the upholstery. Everything was beautiful. But can they go into the ocean like that one did? Yeah. It was...

About four cylinders, and it took forever to get going. But once we did, it was fun. You know that special, the CBS special where we celebrated you. But it was so amazing to see all the actors there. We're so excited to be there, to be able to either perform for you or talk to you or acknowledge you in some way. You have so many people whose lives...

you delighted and changed, but also actors who wanted to emulate you and your movement, your voice, your spirit. Your spirit that you put out, Dick, is just that energy of love and interest. It comes from doing what you love to do. You know, you're having a good time. I didn't do anything where I really was miserable.

You know, Bye Bye Birdie, the movie, was kind of a drag because we couldn't make it what it had been. So did you, can I ask, because that's the second time you've said that, was your part messed with? Was it shortened? Why was it so different that you didn't like it as much as the movie?

Well, the Anne Margaret part was rather small on Broadway. On Broadway. And they wrote special songs for her and took other songs out. And it just changed the whole pitch of everything. Gotcha. Yeah, Paul was really pissed all the time. But that was just kind of his nature. Yeah, yeah. Well, I didn't get to see the...

But it was a wonderful movie. A lot of people like the movie and it makes me laugh when people come up to him because I know how much he doesn't like it. But people like it. I'm one of those people. Yeah, just go with it. And Mary Poppins. So where was Mary Poppins? Was that after Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? No, it was before. It was before. Yeah, that's how Cubby Broccoli came to me.

about Chili after I'd done Poppins, thinking I'd be good for the part. And I said, have you heard my British? Actually, when Sean Connery left the Bond series,

Cubby wanted me to play it. That's what I was going to ask. He said, why don't you be Bond? You would have been a great Bond. I said, have you heard my British accent? He said, click. Yeah. I love that you said that your dialogue coach for that was Irish and his accent wasn't any better. Yeah. Pat O'Malley. Pat O'Malley, who had a thick Irish accent. He came into my house one night after dinner for a couple of hours and that was it. That was it.

Yeah. Americans tease me a lot, but strangely enough, the British don't. They tease me a little bit, you know, because it was no accent of any kind. It was charming. It was still just one of the glorious performances. Oh, my God. It was so good. Singing, the dancing, two roles. You did two roles that people sometimes don't even know. I love that story, too, that to play the older boy,

In the bank. The banker. The banker. Yeah. To play that part, which you came to the director or the producer and said, I think I should play it. Why don't you let me? No. Walt Disney. Yeah. Oh, Walt Disney. That's it. You spoke to Walt Disney and he said, no. And then you said, well, I'll do it for nothing. It'll be free. Right. And he said, no. And then you said, I'll pay you $7,000.

Okay. But I did a screen test.

I made myself up and got out in front of what was the bank's house and sang a little song. I think what sold it, at the end of the song, I went over and pretended to pee in the bushes. That broke all walled up. He just looked at me. I think that gave me the part. Yeah, and then I did an old man and what? Mary Poppins Returns? Yeah, that's right. With Emily, that one? Oh, she's so great. Yeah.

But I had been working with a young couple. Oh, Dee Dee Wood and Mark Bro. A couple had been working with me on the show for a couple of dance numbers. And I mentioned them to Walt. He said, do you know anybody? I said, I think these kids are good. So he hired them. They did that. And then they did Shitty Bang Bang with me. Wow. And then the Sherman brothers wrote both. Right. And they came up with so many.

Wore me out. And was working with Julie Just Glorious. She's a sweetheart. But a lady through and through. She really is a British lady. You know, she doesn't let down her hair very often. I hear she does. I'm sure she does. The opening number in Shitty, Mio Bamboo. Yes. Where we have to jump over the stick and die. Yes. Every take, one guy would miss.

We did 24 or five takes. Wow. And I made it every time. And these guys, they were half my age. But you'll notice that I catch it on my heel and I push it through because I knew I couldn't do another one. And we just watched that this morning. And I think it's one take. It's just one frame. That whole dance.

They don't cut into it. No, they don't cut. It's just you dancing. So you had done it 22 more times than the one we saw. That was the 23rd day. I can't imagine. People should watch it. We were on the stage and we're doing a twist thing. Two of the dancers actually split something doing that step.

This with the leg going like this? Yeah. I can't think of what they call it. And then the thing where they go back and forth and you're jumping. I love that stuff. I just love that. Yeah.

I don't know why you didn't study dancing when I was a kid. You wrote that that was the hardest dance you'd ever. Oh yeah. I think it's better that you didn't because you're, you're unique. You know, that's, if you would have trained, they would have said, stop doing that. You're right. And you would have been like everybody else. It's better that you didn't. Tell me about this gentleman behind us. I'm never that tall. How did you get that? Was that in the movie? Uh,

No. This is from the movie ride. Oh. From Disney World. From Disney World. And they were closing it down, and they asked us if we wanted his chimney sweep. We're like, yes. Nice. And it came with a chimney. And he was sitting on the chimney, and we said, well, we have nowhere to put that. So we got it made into a standing. There he is. I know we said we'd only be here for a little while, but I have to mention...

a show I was doing called Becker, where you played, came in and played my father. Oh my God, that's right. And it was, you know, I clearly, I worship you. And I told you, you were the beginning of this. It was even before I started acting that I saw you trip over the arm. But then you played my father and, and,

I think the rest of the cast absolutely sucked that week because we never got to rehearse. We just asked you questions. Tell us more stories. Tell us more stories. Oh, really? Is that what we did? Yeah. You were great. That's right. We did do a show. Can you believe that? I never saw him more excited, more moved, more honored than the week he got to work with you. You know, the funny thing is you get to an age when you really don't care.

how you look anymore. You have to keep in mind, I might get a job. So I have to keep trimming the beard and trying to look nice. We only lose weight and get into shape and really exercise when there's a movie part that just came around. Then it's like, oh boy. That's right. But a lot of people are just so stiff and everything from not moving. And it's so easy. Get in the water.

Did you see my slide out there? Mary spotted it right away. I love the water slide, by the way. Oh, my grandkids go crazy. I bet. Because it's fast. It just zooms them right. Very fast, yeah. Yeah. Let me ask you one more thing about it. I can't imagine outliving all your friends.

I know the answer to why you're so happy and cheerful. It's you, Arlene, would be my guess. Exactly. But it must be hard not to be depressed about loss and grief. Yeah, every one of them. All my guys from my hometown are gone. Everybody I knew here, all my buddies are gone. Everyone. Bob Newhart was the last. And there's just nobody to even pick up the phone and call.

Yeah, I hate that. So I'm trying to make younger friends. You got two here. I don't know how younger we are. Not that much younger. And was it hard when you were first together for you with the age difference? Not so much what you felt, but what people projected onto you? I feel like everyone was happy about it. It was weird how it...

I think if it wasn't Dick Van Dyke, you know, he's kind of an easy sell. I don't know. And he's so youthful. And people were happy for him. Happy for him. Yeah. So it was, they wanted to see him happy. And I don't know, just, it never really was a big issue. Thank God. I mean, I was terrified when it came out. I think there was one article that,

When he was doing his Lucky Life tour and there was a mention of me, I was like, oh my God. I was just always thinking it was going to be all this bad. Well, I tell you, I'm so happy for my friend Dick Van Dyke that you are in his life. I don't feel, you know, not sad, but whatever, in any shape or form. It's so nice to know.

you know, and experience it today. I get my coffee in bed every morning. So does she. It's a small thing that is very important. I say thank you. It means a lot. Every single cup of coffee. I'm so grateful for. I never let it slide. Are you a

black or do you like a little sweet i like sugar and five cubes of sugar whoa i like my sugar oat milk or creamer or what no just black just sugar and black wow yeah great you had to come by on halloween you really should it's such fun crazy yeah you can be a monster if you want or

Have you ever been in a horror movie, either one of you? I did the original Creep Show. You did? Yeah. Stephen King, George Romero, and I was... I get killed by...

in the drowned in the water by Leslie Nielsen. Oh, wow. Leslie Nielsen, who had, by the way, as an real in life, had a handheld pardon my whatever fart machine. Yes, I heard. And he was relentless.

we actually got asked to get off a plane because we were sitting in first class and we had been boarded first and every person who came by he'd squeeze off a handheld fart and finally and he was asked to stop and he wouldn't so we were asked to get off the plane I'd heard that story he was a guy who wasn't really funny but they made him oh my god Airplane is one of the best movies Airplane

And the second one was, phew. Yeah, it didn't quite. Airplane 2 was nothing. And the first one was hysterical. You still watch it and see new things in it. Well, this is great. We never have any company or anything. Yeah, it's so nice. It's wonderful. You made our day. Well, you made our year because this was...

This was really special. So you're not that far away, are you? No. Oh, good. Yeah. Well, you got to come by more often. Yeah. Do you imbibe alcohol still or no? No. What am I saying? I just did that whole thing. Well, we don't either. Been there, done that. Look at all the alcohol people keep giving us. We have booze here. Would you like a little drinky, Dick? Just a little bit. Right? I can't believe that. He won't hurt you. Way to go. You have drank a little wine. That'll be the edit.

You have had a little wine, like if he wants a little. But he's beyond addiction. Not to worry. That just was edited out. Anyway. And then Dick goes back to rehab. I had rehab in a place downtown called the...

Midnight Mission? Midnight Mission, which is one of the best in the world. I spent a couple of weeks there in Soberda. And I used to go down a lot, you know, and visit the people. But since COVID, I've gotten a little leery about that. Yeah. I used to go just table hop on Sunday to pass out candies. Midnight Mission, homeless. It's a homeless site. Yeah, and mostly homeless, of which there are a lot more. Oh, my God. Yeah.

There were people with kids living in their cars. You don't know how many of those there are. It's insane. I remember the Depression. You know, there were a lot of guys we called tramps. Come to the back door for a handout. But there weren't that many of them. They all hung out down at the railroad tracks.

But there's so many more now than there ever were to depression. Wasn't your grandfather a railroad man? He worked in the shop at the C&E Chicago and Eastern Illinois Railroad. And he was slight like I am, but he had huge forearms. From working there, I thought they got Popeye from him. Because I saw Popeye, I said, it's his grandpa. He was a slight little man, big arms from...

All that kind of work. Right. He was your biggest influence. On me, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I had a lot of grandparents and great-grandparents on both sides. A lot of long-lived people. And I'm the one that's lived the longest now. Wow. My mom made it just short of 96. So, yeah, I've got them all beat. Your background, is it from Holland? The Netherlands. Yeah. Yeah. Same as me. Yes, Steve Virgin is too. And Ike.

Yeah, I went to Amsterdam once, and the phone book is nothing but Van Dyke. And you say you're half Irish? Is that what you say? McCord. That's Irish, isn't it? Sounds right to me. Well, I'm 100%. All my family's from Ireland, and you always say that you're half Irish. MAC is Scottish, and just MC, I think, is Irish. I think. Oh, now you're backing up on your claims. Well, I'm half Irish. Yes.

You've been so generous with us. Thank you. I love to talk about myself. Hey, we're all so happy that we got to be here. We'll be right back after these words. That was astounding. As you heard, he's been one of my heroes since I first got introduced to the idea of acting at all. So that was just remarkable. And I'm so glad we got to share it together. What was it like for you?

That was a privilege, just a delight. I loved it. Thank you for including me. Thank you, Team Coco. And I loved that experience. I appreciate it. Did you love it so much you might come back and do that again?

Maybe. Yeah. Okay. We got a maybe. I'll go with that. Once again, please consider giving to World Central Kitchen. And you can do that by visiting WCK.org. So thank you. That was fun. Thank you. That's it for this episode. Hello to Woody and thanks to our friends at Team Coco. As always, you can subscribe to our show on your favorite podcast app.

And give us a great rating if you're in the mood and a review on Apple Podcasts if you have some time. Thank you very much. See you right back here next week where everybody knows your name. Bye, Woody. Bye, everyone. Bye, Woody. Bye.

Thank you.

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We have to do a sign-off here. Don't we say goodbye? Dick, you start the sign-offs. How do you do it? I don't know. That's why I'm making you start. My day's in radio. This is a sign-off, 7330. Hey!

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