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Laverne Cox on Meta, Conservatives and The Battle For Trans Rights

2025/1/13
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Laverne Cox: 我认为我们正处于危险之中,针对变性人的运动正在起作用,导致了对我们的去人性化。右翼利用“变性人在体育运动中的问题”作为策略,逐步创造了妖魔化变性人的许可结构。 特朗普竞选期间花费了超过2亿美元用于反变性广告,而哈里斯竞选活动却忽视了这些广告。哈里斯竞选活动未能有效动员支持者,并且在策略上存在不足。我们应该避免使用“文化战争”之类的说法,而应将其定义为民权和人权问题。针对变性人的立法并非偶然事件,而是有组织、有计划的一部分。右翼通过有效的宣传和言论,制造了去人性化变性人和将其作为替罪羊的许可结构。许多人并不认识变性人,这使得右翼的宣传更容易奏效。关于变性人的叙事长期以来都集中在手术和转变上,这导致了去人性化。“变性人在体育运动中的问题”是右翼用来去人性化变性人的手段。去人性化是通过言语和图像将特定群体置于道德排斥之外的过程,这使得对他们的伤害成为可能。变性人比顺性别者更容易成为暴力犯罪的受害者。浴室法案的实施问题在于其执行,这可能会导致对所有女性的歧视。如果能改变历史,我会阻止里根当选,因为他对美国的许多政策产生了深远的影响。共和党在“父母权利”问题上的双重标准,暴露了他们对变性儿童的真实意图。对变性人医疗保健的限制,最终目标是禁止所有变性人获得医疗服务。如果可能,变性儿童和他们的父母应该考虑隐瞒身份或搬离相关州。我的新剧《Clean Slate》部分基于我的个人经历,讲述了父女重逢和疗伤的故事。在影视作品中,重要的是展现变性人的完整性和人性,而不是简单地将他们定义为“正面”或“负面”角色。我对美国的爱国之情与我对当前政治局势的担忧并存,我正在考虑离开美国的可能性,但同时我也对变性人社群的韧性抱有希望。 Kara Swisher: Meta取消第三方事实核查员,不再监控仇恨言论,尤其针对LGBTQ群体。扎克伯格的决定是向右翼的叙事让步,并对LGBTQ+群体的尊严视而不见。扎克伯格的举动是向权力屈服,这与法西斯主义的运作方式相似。我们应该将政治问题置于去人性化与重塑人性化的视角下,并用人权和民权的语言来重新定义这些问题。社区内部也存在着要求变性人“保持安静”的声音,但这是一种错误的观点。右翼会不顾事实地进行攻击,我们不应该屈服于他们的说法。我们应该努力拆除性别二元论,因为它对所有人都有害。我们不应该因为害怕而保持沉默,因为这只会助长右翼的宣传。

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Why did Laverne Cox describe the Trump campaign's anti-trans ads as effective?

The Trump campaign spent $215 million on anti-trans ads during the election, which created an 'us vs. them' narrative. These ads focused on trans people in sports, a topic that resonated with focus groups, and effectively dehumanized trans individuals. The Harris campaign's failure to address these ads contributed to their impact, as they stayed in people's minds and influenced public perception.

What is the significance of Meta's decision to stop monitoring hate speech against LGBTQ+ individuals?

Meta's decision to stop monitoring hate speech, particularly targeting LGBTQ+ individuals, allows for the spread of harmful misinformation and dehumanization. This move aligns with conservative narratives that frame LGBTQ+ identities as mental illnesses, further normalizing discrimination and violence against the community.

How does Laverne Cox view the current political climate for trans rights in the U.S.?

Laverne Cox describes the current political climate as perilous, with a coordinated, well-funded campaign to dehumanize trans people. This has led to 26 states banning gender-affirming care for minors, 24 states banning trans people from sports, and bathroom bans. She emphasizes the need for re-humanization and framing trans rights as civil and human rights issues.

What historical event would Laverne Cox change if she could, and why?

Laverne Cox would change the election of Ronald Reagan, as she believes his policies, including defunding education, the war on drugs, and the welfare queen narrative, laid the groundwork for many of the current issues in the U.S. She also highlights how Reagan's success pushed the Democratic Party further to the center, leading to neoliberal policies.

What advice does Laverne Cox give to parents of trans youth in states with restrictive laws?

Laverne Cox advises parents to consider relocating to safer states if possible, and to utilize resources like the Campaign for Southern Equality, which offers scholarships and support for accessing gender-affirming care. She also suggests that if a child can 'go stealth' (pass as cisgender), it may be a safer option given the current climate.

What is the focus of Laverne Cox's new comedy series 'Clean Slate'?

Laverne Cox's new comedy series 'Clean Slate' focuses on the power of love and community. It tells the story of Desiree Slate, a trans woman who returns to her hometown in Alabama to reconnect with her estranged father. The show explores themes of family, healing, and generational differences, blending comedy with heartfelt moments.

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Transgender kids and adults have become a political punching bag for conservatives — but Laverne Cox is stepping into the ring. Kara talks with the transgender activist, Emmy award-winning producer and four-time Emmy-nominated actor, known for her groundbreaking role as Sophia Bursette in Orange is The New Black, about the Trump campaign’s $200+ million spend on anti-trans ads during the election (and the Harris campaign’s lack of response); why Meta’s decision to no longer monitor hate speech could lead to more gender violence, and not just against trans kids; and how to stay resilient in the fight for civil and human rights (including packing a go bag).

Plus: Laverne and Kara bust myths in a speed round about gender-affirming care, which is being targeted by laws across the country, and talk about her upcoming Netflix comedy series Clean Slate .

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