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Rep. Ro Khanna on Tech, Trump & Elon

2024/12/12
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Ro Khanna: 就特朗普政府的科技政策和政府效率问题,Khanna表达了对联邦雇员的担忧,同时认为国防部等领域需要改革。他赞成与特朗普团队合作,但强调要避免削减社会保障和医疗保险等项目,并坚持公开透明的沟通。他还认为,马斯克在精简国防合同和企业IT软件方面拥有专业知识,但需要财务披露和利益回避以解决潜在的利益冲突。针对对1月6日委员会成员的威胁,Khanna认为这是滥用权力,并呼吁司法系统保持独立性。他还对特赦权表示担忧,认为应该有更透明和独立的程序来处理特赦。在医疗保健方面,Khanna认为医疗保健系统存在问题,并认为伯尼·桑德斯的观点在医疗保健辩论中占据上风。他认为社会运动是实现全民医保的关键,并提出了一些可以立即实施的更务实的措施。在谈到民主党时,Khanna认为民主党需要关注工薪阶层,并反思在2022年中期选举失利的原因。他还解释了他“进步资本家”的理念,并将其与伯尼·桑德斯的民主社会主义观点进行对比。在科技行业方面,Khanna认为需要对大型科技公司进行监管,但他同时认为,要实现真正的变革,就需要与科技和商业领袖进行接触。他还讨论了科技监管立法进展缓慢的原因,包括实用性和哲学上的原因。在人工智能方面,Khanna认为需要在发展人工智能的同时设置适当的保障措施,并强调了在与中国竞争的同时,要将人文价值融入人工智能的发展中。 Kara Swisher: Swisher与Khanna就其政治观点、与科技巨头和特朗普政府的关系以及对美国政治和经济的看法进行了探讨。她质疑了Khanna与特朗普政府合作的动机,并对Khanna在科技监管和反垄断问题上的立场提出了挑战。她还就医疗保健、科技行业以及人工智能等问题与Khanna进行了深入的讨论,并表达了她对特朗普政府的担忧。

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Why is Representative Ro Khanna willing to work with Elon Musk on government efficiency, despite Musk's controversial actions?

Khanna believes that while Musk's actions are problematic, there are areas where he can bring expertise, such as enterprise IT software and competitive bidding in defense contracts. Khanna is also willing to engage in these areas to bring about some accountability and reform, but he insists on transparency and a commitment to not cutting social programs like Social Security and Medicare.

Why does Ro Khanna think the private insurance industry is broken and supports Medicare for All?

Khanna points out that the private insurance industry makes $1.4 trillion in revenue and $70 billion in profits, but still denies claims and leaves people in financial ruin. He argues that this system is fundamentally flawed and that Medicare for All would ensure everyone has health care without the bureaucracy and profit motives of private insurers.

Why doesn't Ro Khanna consider himself a democratic socialist?

Khanna identifies as a 'progressive capitalist' because he supports entrepreneurship and the role of markets in allocating capital, but also believes in a strong government to ensure health care, education, and housing for all. He contrasts this with democratic socialism, which he sees as less supportive of market-based capitalism.

Why does Ro Khanna think working with tech and business leaders is necessary for reindustrializing America?

Khanna believes that to bring new industry and jobs to deindustrialized areas, the Democratic Party must mobilize both tech and industry leaders alongside union leaders. He cites examples like building cleaner steel in Pennsylvania and Michigan, where cooperation between business, unions, and government can lead to economic revitalization.

Why has tech regulation legislation not passed despite bipartisan support?

The lack of legislative progress on tech regulation is due to a combination of debates over federal vs. state standards and a lack of prioritization from political leadership. Additionally, the tech industry itself has lobbied heavily against these bills, particularly those that increase liability and algorithmic accountability.

Why is Ro Khanna skeptical about preemptive pardons for Trump's perceived political enemies?

Khanna is concerned that preemptive pardons could undermine the rule of law and set a dangerous precedent. He believes that if Trump were to use the FBI and Department of Justice for retribution, it would severely damage American democratic norms and the independence of the judiciary.

Why does Ro Khanna support the Kids Online Safety Act (COSA) despite opposition from the tech industry?

Khanna supports COSA because it addresses the harm caused to children by online content and algorithms. The bill requires platforms to have safety standards and could hold them liable for causing harm to minors. Despite opposition from tech companies, Khanna believes it is a necessary step to protect children and could have broader implications for AI regulation.

Why is Ro Khanna optimistic about the Democratic Party despite Trump's victory?

Khanna remains hopeful about the Democratic Party's future because he sees progress in the country's movement towards a more cohesive, multiracial democracy. He believes that while Trump's victory is concerning, it can serve as a wake-up call for Democrats to better address economic issues and connect with working-class voters across different races and regions.

Why does Ro Khanna think Donald Trump poses serious threats to American democracy?

Khanna is concerned that Trump could undermine democratic norms by targeting political opponents, such as members of the January 6 committee, and by implementing policies that stifle debate and criticism. He also worries about mass raids and the harassment of immigrants, which would erode the principles of a free and just society.

Why does Ro Khanna support federal financing for reindustrialization and job creation in deindustrialized towns?

Khanna believes that federal financing is crucial for revitalizing deindustrialized areas and creating high-paying jobs. He argues that a comprehensive economic development strategy, similar to FDR's New Deal, is needed to address economic inequality and provide opportunities for working-class Americans in various industries, not just high-tech sectors.

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Representative Ro Khanna represents the wealthiest congressional district in the country, but he wants to show Democrats how to speak to the working class. And perhaps surprisingly, he’s pretty good at it. But although Khanna was one of Bernie Sanders’ co-chairs in 2020, the “progressive capitalist” from Silicon Valley (don’t call him a democratic socialist) also hobnobs with tech titans. Because according to Khanna, the way to reindustrialize and revitalize the economy is by mobilizing both union leaders and tech and industry leaders — and he thinks he can be the one to bring them together. 

Kara and Ro discuss everything from the DOGE committee, the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, and Trump’s threats to jail members of the January 6 committee, AI policy, KOSA, and tech antitrust. 

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