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The Revenge Presidency with Maggie Haberman

2025/5/29
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Maggie Haberman: 我认为特朗普正在创造一个他希望别人接受的现实，而且现在身边阻止他的人更少了。第一任期内，白宫里有很多人以阻止他或阻止他所做的事情为己任，但现在有很多非常相信他的人，过去四年调查和起诉变得激进，他们和他有共同的冲动。特朗普比以前更强烈地试图强迫他人接受他的现实版本。他很善于说服自己某件事是真的，或者至少看起来相信某件事是真的，坚持己见的程度和频率都显著增加了。他会一直尝试看看他能走多远，能逃脱什么惩罚。由于胜选，幸存，未入狱，法官驳回，最高法院豁免等原因，他感到无拘无束，将继续推动并看看他能把事情推到什么程度。

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This chapter explores President Trump's increasing tendency to create and promote false narratives. Haberman draws a parallel to the children's book "Harold and the Purple Crayon," highlighting Trump's construction of an alternate reality and the diminished efforts to correct him.
  • Trump's false statements about white farmers' deaths in South Africa and MS-13 tattoos.
  • Fewer people around him are trying to correct his false statements.
  • Trump is creating a reality that he wants others to adhere to in a more pronounced way than before.

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As the One Big Beautiful Bill Act lumbers through Congress, President Trump lobs threats at Russian President Vladimir Putin on Truth Social, and the administration continues its war against Harvard, we’re bringing back New York Times reporter and de facto Trump chronicler Maggie Haberman to weigh in on the president’s state of mind. 

Kara and Maggie talk about the startling scale of disinformation coming out of the White House, Trump’s ambivalent relationship to Supreme Court rulings and democratic norms, and his ever-widening campaign of retribution against institutions and individuals, (including pop stars like Maggie’s favorite, Bruce Springsteen). They also revisit Haberman’s prescient analysis from earlier this year that Stephen Miller is wielding immense power within the administration and discuss whether Elon’s power is shrinking or he’s simply slipping out of public view. 

This episode was taped on the afternoon of Tuesday, May 27th, before Elon Musk spoke out against the omnibus bill and Russia proposed to hold peace talks with Ukraine.

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