Brooklyn & Bailey on Signing Prenups, Getting a Restraining Order & Keeping Their Last Name
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This is very controversial, I feel like. But we actually, I had him sign a... Yeah, we signed prenups. This is not controversial. Sign prenups, people. Protect your assets. We've had two really bad stalker stories. I had to get police involved. And for some reason, like, I'm still sitting here, like, nervous to talk about it. I'm still like, oh, whatever. This has, like, repercussions. But you know what? This is the reality. This is what happens to us.

You guys didn't take your husband's last names, right? I didn't make him give up his last name. He didn't make me give up my last name. My degree is in my last name. Everything is in my last name. There really isn't any reason for me to change it.

What's up dudes? And welcome back to the Unplanned Podcast. That was probably the most lively one yet. This is our first podcast with six people. Can we just give it up for that? The couch is full. We are joined by Brooklyn and Bailey and Dakota and Asa. Thank you guys for being here. You guys made a long journey today, so we really appreciate that. Thank you. We're just glad to be here. We're excited. First podcast really. A little nervous. Dakota's not much of a talker.

We're so glad to have you. We literally just have a conversation just kind of do we have been doing off camera but now on

on camera. Perfect. So for you guys who don't know Brooklyn and Bailey, they are YouTubers, TikTokers, pretty much they're on every social media platform. Entrepreneurs, you guys own like 17 different businesses. It's super impressive what you guys have been able to do over the years. You guys just celebrated 10 years on YouTube, right? Oh, let's see. Yes, we did do just 10 years. And I think all together, our family, it's been 14 or 15.

Yeah, it's been a long time. Yeah, 14 or 15 years for the family and then 10 for us. So long we can't remember how long it's been. Yeah. 14 years. I think that's the mark. Yeah, 2009.

So you guys have to be some of the first kids that started on YouTube that are now adults. I would say so, yeah. We call it the second generation social media people. We are probably one of the first, I would say. Yeah, we were the first. I remember when... Obviously, we started on my mom's hair channel. And then Brooklyn and I started our own channel when we were 13. And we were the first second generation family to have...

two channels between the generations that all hit a million views or a million subscribers or something like that like some milestone some very specific milestone like that but it's awesome yeah we were there's a lot of them now though so i'm like i've kind of forgot well like that's such a big conversation nowadays like kids and social media like you guys can actually speak on it like what was that like how do you view that it wasn't the same when we were little i

Because when we were nine was when my mom started filming videos. And it was literally like she was using a camp light. Like when you take camping. Like a lantern. Like a lantern. I'm serious. Literally one of those hand-held lanterns.

those handheld flip cameras that like don't even exist anymore. Wait, the flip camera? The flip camera. No. Yeah, to film. That's crazy. It had one singular button, the record button. Yes. I used to have one of those. I would make little action movies as a kid with a flip camera. Yes. And so we would literally, I mean,

When we started, like we said, it was nothing like what it is now. At the time, it was not to be on social media or to get famous or anything like that. It was a hobby. My mom was a hair blogger and people just wanted like a more in-depth tutorial. And so she never showed our faces, never said our names. We were literally just...

Hair models. There's a back of your head. Back of our head. They wouldn't even announce our names. We were CGH1, CGH2, CGH3. All the way down. Until we were 13. So I don't know how many years. I think it was 13. I can't honestly remember. But at some point, we ended up revealing our names way later. It was 13 because our first video was us revealing our names. Whoa. Wow. So was that for privacy reasons to call you GDH1 and 2? Yeah, it was CGH. Cute girl.

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And then people were really interested in the family dynamic and stuff like that. And that's where it kind of morphed into more of family related videos. But for a really long time, it was like,

under lock and key or yeah, never, never knew who we really were. They didn't even know we were twins because you can only see the back of our head and we look so similar that people had no idea we were twins for the longest time until like there were two of us in a video one time and everyone freaked out and was like, wait a second. They thought they were the same person. That still happens.

happens. The first twin. So you're 13, like you start this YouTube channel. People know who you are now. They know that you're twins. I feel like there's a weird thing with twins too, because I feel like people just get super interested in twins. Totally. And like fascinated by them. I don't know. I just, I get that vibe. Like how, how was that growing up with that channel? Like when, when did it really take off? When was it, when were people like recognizing you guys and stopping you? Oh man. I don't know if I can

It's been so long. I don't know if I can even remember, but I do remember the night we launched our channel. My mom's hair channel had a million or two subscribers. So the night we launched our channel, like we were refreshing the subscribers and we were like 200, 300,000 subscribers that night. So it was, it was a launch from an already successful channel. It was, I remember, but it didn't go, it grew over the years.

But yeah, it was a successful launch when we started it because it started from my parents' channel, obviously. No, that's insane. Yeah, it was crazy. That's a lot of people. Yeah, it was a lot. But we didn't... I don't think we really... We weren't doing it for the subscribers. We were just doing it because we liked filming our life, really. Like book reviews and fashion and just being 13-year-olds, you know? I mean, our first video, one of our first videos is like...

filming ourselves goofing off with our friends making up a song. Like we were not taking it seriously. The videos you were talking about that you made on like the flip camera. That's what went live. That's what we used to post. That was what went live on that channel. And it was going out to a large audience. We did not get that I don't think. Did you feel, do you look back now and think of like oh we were just kids or are you like actually embarrassed? Like you're like ah it's a video. Yeah. I'm like oh

That deserved to stay in the archives. Was it the singing or something? We looked back. Yeah, we did like a rap with our friends where we like made up something. That was like our second video on the channel. It got posted and I regret that.

them are just innocent kid stuff but that one I'm like this is actually embarrassing and we probably shouldn't have posted it because it's so embarrassing. Sometimes I watch it back and I'm like very nostalgic about it because it feels so like oh like it was so no pressure back then just put up whatever and it was so fun and so it's really nostalgic too so there's very few that get us really embarrassed there's a couple that are like what what

Your channel really is like a time capsule of every moment throughout your life. So even that very first video was you just being a 13 year old. Yeah, exactly. You weren't trying to do anything. Yeah. And when did you do your first like swap, like twin swap video? Those are so funny by the way. Is that the first one? Well, no, you did restaurants. I'm trying to think all the way back. No, I think,

the very first twin swap. Our very first twin swap was in college. That was the one with me. That was the one with Asa. And Asa and Bailey were dating at the time and we had a lot of friends in college and we'd kind of come up with this concept and it did so well. Like first of all half the people did not tell us apart and

could not tell us apart so that's kind of blew the video up because asa mistook me for bailey well i literally quote said like oh i've known you guys for three years and not a single time have i ever mixed you up and i was talking to bailey thinking it was brooklyn do people think that's scripted then because like that's so perfect if you watch the video you can see my face just the blood drained from his face when he realizes that

that he'd been talking, like this like confident talk. We also never scripted anything. Like our audience knows everything we put up is like what actually happens. And so I don't think anyone would ever assume that. And Ace's face gave it away. I did not expect it. The drain of blood from his face gave it away. So this is a question for the guys. Is it not weird like to be married to someone that is a twin? Cause like, I don't know. I'm like, I think Abby's so attractive, but if she had a twin, I feel like that would throw me off so hard.

Yeah, but there's also differences. Yeah. There's differences and then I saw the video of you where you got switched off. Okay, stop. Okay. Listen, listen, listen. You both got switched off. We're setting up scenarios to purposefully trick us. The whole concept of the video is to trick us and it did work. Yeah. Listen, okay. I can... So how big are those differences really then?

Well, when you don't know to look for it. You got me there. Okay, for context. Dakota, we played a switching video. We swapped on Dakota when Dakota and I, were we married yet? Yeah, we were married. I just watched you today. I saw the one of you guys pranking him on the family trip. Yeah, yeah. And Dakota mixed us up and mixed us up so bad, he grabbed Bailey's booty. And it was not my booty. In the video, like my face just creaked out.

when he found out. I was filming it and I just had to not say anything. I don't know how you laugh. That's my wife. He was getting mad. He was like...

I literally was just dying like I'm supposed to stay in character and act like I'm his wife but I'm not gonna let him touch my butt so I was like and then it was just a dead giveaway and it was hilarious is that how you found out to end it you're like yeah it is that was embarrassing I feel like there's a little bit more step to it I feel like it went on for another 15 seconds it probably did like the unravel

- Oh, I walked out of the room. - I think I remember he grabbed her butt and she kind of shifted away and he kind of looked at her like, "Why are you shifting away?" And then did a double take and was like, and then freaked out. - So even on the butt grab, you didn't realize it right away? - No. - No. - 'Cause Abby, no. - She had this butt. - That's what I'm saying. That's my point. - They probably do. That's probably true. Except growing up as a twin, you grew up sharing a room, sharing clothes, other things, so you see each other.

I mean, naked all the time and you have the same body. It's true. You do have the same body. Nikki and Gabby actually, another pair of twins talked about this. Are they fraternal? Are they fraternal? I don't know. But they're a pair of twins, another influencer pair of twins and they talked about this. They were like, people always ask, do we look the same naked because you're twins? The answer, as you're wondering, is yes. The answer

Identical twins. Our bodies look the same, but it's like our personalities that I think is what our husbands are attracted to. Yeah, for sure. That's kind of what makes the difference. It's not like Asa's going to be like attracted to me. No, like, yeah. And there are subtle differences in your features and stuff too, but it does come down to your personality. Yeah, that's, I just, yeah, Abby was all her personality completely why I fell in love with her. Wait, that kind of sounds rude. I was trying to make out.

Sometimes I try to be funny and it just like does not work. And that was one of those times where like, I'm so sorry. No, I think, no, I, okay. I obviously love your personality. I think you're hot. So like that was part of it. You're smoking. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. You got both. A double whammy. Good for you.

That's hilarious. So it's so funny because I literally wrote down in my questions to ask you guys, have you ever accidentally slapped the other person on the butt before? And then I watched that video and I was dying when I realized it. Other than that, there have been no misunderstandings. So you've never gotten slapped on the butt by Asa? No, never. Yet. Yet.

I guess. We never even mixed them up outside of a video. Those twin swaps. Yeah, no. I just thought it was hilarious how your siblings all knew immediately. Well, I mean, they

Even my buddy that was there knew immediately. Yeah, they're all used to us and they know when we're lying and all the things. I mean, there were dead giveaways. I would say that some people are more observant, so they like to know this faster. I always made fun of Ace. I was like, dude, I don't know how you fell for it, but I did too. In their defense, both of them were really camera shy when we filmed it, and so I think they were so hyper focused on... Just focused on the questions. Yeah, so hyper focused on like...

Getting the questions right that I don't even think they were really looking at the person standing next to them. I didn't have a question. That's why I was so nervous. But yeah. No, I can relate to that whole story because last year Abby's dad slapped Abby's sister-in-law on the butt. Okay, no, you can't put the podcast! I think we already told everybody that. It's so funny. I don't know. It's just like... They're wearing the same jammies, so he just got confused. Yeah, that's what happened. My aunt and uncle, so my uncle put his hand down his mother-in-law's pants. What?

Did you even imagine? Not down the gate. Did you even imagine? Your mother-in-law? No, it was

no they are like similar like physique but yeah they ever talk ever again no yeah i mean they just all laughed it off just like tried to move on with their lives i think we're talking about this off podcast if you had to choose like who would who would be the worst person to see you naked in your family because abby was like it would definitely be her father-in-law my dad and i don't know i don't yeah i feel like

For sure, your dad. Yeah. That would be, or your mom's partner. That would be horrible. Either one of them would be bad. I actually think my father-in-law would be like a lot more chill about it than I think some of my brother-in-laws would be. I think I would rather my father-in-law. Okay, we're not even kidding. I know, I know.

I'm sorry. That was a weird question. You probably get a lot of weird questions, though, being twins. Like, people are probably just, like, so fascinated. Well, the DMs are wild. Yeah, they're always crazy. Like what? Just the craziest questions, like, about us and if we're alike in certain ways, if we secretly hate each other, is there a mean twin, a nice twin, there's an ugly twin, and a pretty twin. Just, like, people say the wildest things when you have someone to directly compare to. It's crazy.

It's crazy. You guys just launched recently a drink place. It's called Sip City. Yeah, so we launched a drink drive-thru company in Texas where we live. And it's been such a wild ride because it's so different than all of our other companies. So that's been...

been fun for us and when did it launch like not even three months ago so we're still in the very like new business phase we're excited it took what two years yeah it took a long time to develop yeah so it was kind of from the ground up and

Property is just so hard to find. So that was our biggest, you know, stickler was we couldn't find any drive-thru spaces available. So anyway, it's just a very different world than like a social media business or, you know, like a digital product business or anything like that. Like it's very, very different than anything we've done before. But we love it. It's fun. I want to go because I love special drinks. It just makes my day every single day. I noticed your syrups back there.

- You must make them at home. - I wanted to have you guys try one of my, sometimes I'll put some raspberry syrup and some coffee creamer in my Diet Coke. And I feel like that's what you guys get at your place. - I think you guys would like working there, it's fun. - I wanna work there. - Coming up with drinks, we go there all the time. - Literally hire me. - If she's gonna hire me, I will come work for you. - I just think that'd be so fun. - I was listening to your guys newlywed Q&A that you did on your YouTube channel. And I thought it was so funny,

that like you do all the cooking and then you uh and i'm people listening i'm talking about dakota because like you go to the grocery store every single day to get food i do i love fresh food have you heard of instacart like people make fun of me like order it yeah yeah i don't know i just like to pick out my food so dakota's very picky about like his cuts of meat and like vegetables and stuff so he doesn't

particularly love like delivery services or instacart because they'll just pick a piece of me or what so he doesn't he likes to be able to see it and then pick it i love that we actually ordered like 50 bananas from instacart the other day i don't know if was that our fault abby or was that i'm still not totally sure we abby's dad kept going the jokes will

The jungle called. It's not even funny. I just spilled water all over my pants. The jungle called. They want their bananas back. He got it out. He spit that one out. I said it. I said it. What did you do? You ate bananas for the next three days or what? That is smart. You guys said Griffin likes bananas, so that's lucky. Oh, dude. Oh, gosh. I'm sorry. It's not even funny. Why are you laughing so hard?

I think we're gone insane. Well, it's so random. Like, 50 bananas? Like, I'm sure the Instacart guy was like, what are they doing? Have you not seen this as, like, a joke? On TikTok and Meet, like, as a meme. It's like a party question. The guy said, 50 bananas. Like, maybe he thought it was supposed to be. Well, yeah, I think Abby, like, selected, like, eight or something, and then they thought it was, like, eight bundles or something. That's, like, a big, like I said, it's a meme piece.

People like post what they ordered and then what they got on their Instacart order. That was like my bananas. Yeah. Really funny. I can understand that, the like eight bunches and then you end up with eight with like five bananas. Yeah, they're like this family tree. Yeah. They've been eating bananas the past three days. Something else you guys mentioned too is, do you actually like, I thought it was so funny because you're an esthetician. You went to school for that. So you guys, do you guys like wax each other's armpits and stuff? Like you must be really good at that. Yeah.

wax myself and I wax him. Okay. And really that's it. You've waxed my chest. Oh yeah. You've waxed Issa's chest. Yeah.

Not right now. Yeah, don't. I haven't waxed it in a minute. But Bailey, I've never waxed. Nope. Really? She doesn't like, she's never waxed. Never. I don't know. I don't know. Not even the pitter. They're usually like pretty shaved. Yeah, just kind of like, I don't know. Yeah, you have to let it grow just a little bit and that's like, that deters some people from waxing. I like it though. I wax him all the time. All the time. Do you have just like a smooth chest at all times? Actually, that's not what we wax. He waxed. He waxed. He waxed.

That's special request time. Are we talking just the cheeks? Just the cheeks. Just the cheeks. Okay. Liar. I'll give you some reassurance. Liar. I've never waxed anything but it's... Dude, if you shave down there, it gets itchy, bro. Yeah. It gets real itchy. It's just the cheeks, but it's nice. I'm not gonna lie.

I haven't tried it, so I don't really know. That hurts so bad that one time for a YouTube video. Matt, you could get your cheeks waxed. I'd be crying, bro. Like, Abby waxed my belly, like, my happy trail for a YouTube video. I didn't do it right. I was bleeding, bro. Yeah, there's, like, a technique to, like, making sure it hurts as little as possible. And, like, the less bony the area is, the less it'll hurt. So, like, your butt, like, the cheeks got a lot of...

juicy juice on there so you can rip it off and it's not going to hurt nearly as much as like a shin or something like that. My eyebrows hurt worse than they do. Yeah. Honestly, I could do like the middle between the eyebrows. Like sometimes it just gets kind of messy there, you know? That's nice. Don't look at that right there.

I like them right now. Your eyebrows look great. They look so nice. He's got an at-home esthetician to wax them whenever he needs them. That's so nice. You guys amaze me. Like, you're so multi-talented. Like, esthetician, owning businesses, doing, like, your social media. I feel like, I feel the same way about y'all. Like, we just watched you guys. I mean, y'all are killer parents. Yeah, you're

kill it with the parenting and the podcast and video and social media and travel and all the things. Yeah. Thank you. You guys stay so busy too. Like always on the go. It, I actually think that all the time I see your stories and I'm like, you guys get home, turn around, go again. You guys are about to do that all over again. It's pretty crazy and pretty fun. Like I feel like your lives are moving so fast paced right now. They are. It's, it's a lot, but it's fun. A lot of fun. It's both a lot and a lot of fun, but yeah, it does get,

quite crazy around here. Yeah, I feel like lately, particularly like the last year since we've been married for some reason, just like business trips and like vacations and stuff have just kind of picked up. So we've traveled a lot in the last year. I'm starting to even feel it where I'm like, oh my gosh, like we bought a house and we barely

I think in the month of October, we were only home for six days. Maybe less than six days. Well, the crazy thing is like what y'all see is the go, go, go all the time. But then we'll hit like six days straight of just... Hibernation. Yeah. Do not leave the bed. Yeah. So it goes just like super, super high.

like high waves of energy and then we crash. I think it's the, we also get it from my mom. She's like a mover. She's like a doer. She does things all the time. And I do think like, at least for Dakota and I were trying to capitalize on a time where we like don't have a family yet. We don't have kids yet. Cause we know that like the capabilities being able to pick up and just go, go, go like that is harder. And I'm sure you guys can talk more about that when you have kids. I'm sure it's harder to just like pick up and go.

Yes. No, it definitely is. It definitely is. It was funny. We just did a trip with just our newborn for like four days for the podcast, actually. And we were shocked at how much easier it was because we always have our two kids. We're like, oh my gosh, like we only have one. Like we can do anything. Yeah, you get used to it to a certain level. So like only having one of them, it feels like a vacation. Like you're like, oh, just one baby. What the heck? Because you're used to two.

I mean, it makes sense. I watched this, like, when we were at the airport the other day and we had this mom in front of us who was traveling by herself with, like, her baby. And I was like, oh, I just kudos because she, like, had the stroller and the baby in one arm and was, like, trying to fold the stroller up and, like, I was... And then put it... I guess you have to, like, put your milk in the certain way through security and stuff, you know? So things...

I just never have thought about that I was like, dang champ. So definitely we're trying to capitalize on the time where it's a little bit easier to travel. For sure. And you guys have been married for just over a year, right? Bailey and Ace have been married for two. Two? Yeah. Okay. Going into year three. Yeah. So our anniversaries are one day apart. Yeah. That is so cool. Did you guys plan that on purpose? Kind of. Kind of.

It wasn't, I mean, obviously venues, you're sort of working around their schedule. And so we picked October because it was the best weather. And then when they poked around at their venue, they had that weekend. It was like one of the few weekends open. So October 1st, September 30th, those two days.

And I wanted October 1st just for us. So I was like, you get married on September 30th and then we can always travel together for our anniversaries, but we don't share the same day. So that's kind of how we did it. So do you guys do everything together? For the most part. Yeah.

So since you guys were together first, was it like, okay, you have to get along with whoever Brooklyn picks to be her husband because otherwise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there were some exes that we did not get along with. No way. Put through the ringer. I'll say it. And there was some fear there. No way. We're just so glad Dakota's here. Yay! Are those relationships public or was that all like private stuff? They're public. Yeah, I had a hand.

A handful that were public and a handful that were private. How long did you guys wait to, like, go public with your relationship? A bit. Yeah, we waited a while. I would... I'm trying to remember how long it was. Six months? A couple months, because you got married, and I don't think we had posted about Dakota when you got married. And we'd been dating for...

I think it was around six months. Yeah. When they public... I was nervous as the relationship before that. I think I went public a little too soon and it ended more poorly than I really would have liked it to. And so with it being so public, so I was a little bit more nervous. I think starting my relationship with Dakota. So I learned my lesson and we waited for six months. And then we went public with our relationship. Yeah. So then were people... Like, were they thrown off by your timeline at all? Were they like, wow, you guys are like...

getting married quickly. Totally. We got so much of that. We still get called...

told that we're lying no or like hiding like parts of our relationship because the timeline socially wise doesn't it feels so fast and like weird because we kept a lot of it private in the beginning yeah so we get we get a lot of people that are like like just even small things like they met on a dating show really that we did on our channel and in the video our editor he kept the age as the last guy for dakota so we we watched it no no one noticed that it was like

several years younger than it should have been. And so everyone's always like, oh, Dakota, he's so much older than you originally said. Like you were hiding his age. It's just like simple mistakes become huge. Isn't that interesting? Like maybe it was just a complete accident. It was completely, I know, like totally not a big deal. The guy I'd gone on a date with before was I think 23. And so then the editor just had like that on there and never changed it. No one really caught on. Dakota, I think when we went on our date was what, 24?

Seven. So people are like, because you lied because you didn't like the age gap or whatever. And I was like, oh no, guys, it's just like an editing mistake. It's not. We're not. I honestly have to give people credit. They think we're way smarter than we are. Like, I'm just not even.

- I'm not even smart enough to think about being that young to have this master plan. - Oh my gosh, so how old are you Dakota? - I'm 29. - 29, let's go. - Let's get it out there. - What's the big three-oh? - April, when we're honest. - No way. - Oh wait, talk about Everest. - Why are you guys hiking freaking Mount Everest?

Just to clarify, I am not hiking. We're not going. We'll be staying home. You guys are invited. I thought you guys do everything together, though. That's what you literally just said. My family is very adamant this is one she's not partaking in. So my mom's goal by the time she turned 50 was to have hiked to the base camp of Everest. And we all weren't really sure how that was going to happen. And then we kind of figured it out. I have an uncle who's really athletic. And he's kind of helped her figure out this plan and this company. So we're all going now. Well, no.

Most of us. Not me. Are going to hike to the base camp of Everest for I think it's about three weeks. It's a 17-day hike. In order to get there, you have to fly on this tiny plane and land in what is called the world's most dangerous airport. And then...

Three days into the hike, you can't shower or bathe because you'll get too cold. You'll get hypothermia. And then something about the altitude makes you start your period. You can only eat the stuff that's in your backpack. It's like a whole thing. I feel like I don't know if this is all true or not. These are all stated. Are you setting up tents? No, I'm not.

I don't really know. Like, you stay in, like, little hostels kind of along the way. But honestly, I really am not 100% sure. I'm sure we'll figure out more details the closer it gets. But listen, I am all for adventures. I'm all for the people that choose to do this. Great. Good for you. I will be at home in my bed. In my bed. In my bed. Wow.

That sounds fun. Yeah. I'm like, I know going into it that I'm going to like get on the mountain and be like, what was I thinking? Neither one of us are particularly like, I can't remember the last time either one of us went on a hike.

Oh. You have to train. So we're going to go for it. See how far we can get. With our like elevation where we're at right now, it's going to be difficult too. You are training before you go. Yeah. I would say we're training mostly just our lungs and our hearts to like be able to keep up with the altitude. Have you guys heard of the Iceman? Huh.

He's like done it. Wim Hof, he did it like barefoot or something crazy. He's crazy. Like it's all in the breathing techniques that he uses. And he like tricked his brain into like letting him live and not die. See, I suppose anything is possible. But like I said, I will be opting out of that. So what of your siblings are going? You guys have four other siblings. Yes. So I don't. Our youngest two aren't old enough.

And really, it's just you and Kamri. We have a sister that's like super outdoorsy, loves hiking. This is like right up her alley. So she might be the one that actually really loves it. I don't know science. Are you guys more likely to have twins yourselves? Oh, yeah. I can explain the science to you. Please do. It's super fascinating. And we get this question a lot. So...

Identical twin genes, technically, that's not hereditary. You can't pass that down. They don't really know what it is. They don't know. There's been a lot of studies. We were part of studies when we were babies. Oh, really? Maybe they've

out. I'm not sure, but that I know of, it's technically not something that you can like guarantee is passed down from kid to kid to kid. However, the fraternal twin gene, which is where the woman drops two eggs and both get fertilized, is hereditary. So we actually have that gene. My grandma...

Obviously, I don't know if you guys know this. My dad is a fraternal twin. That is crazy. So my grandma had fraternal twins and then it skips a generation and then we got that gene too. So it's like super TMI. But when I ovulate, I can feel it and I can feel when I'm dropping two eggs on both sides. It's really fascinating. Yeah. Does it hurt? I mean, ovulation like kind of crampy. I've never felt ovulation in my life. Really? Really?

Oh, like, I think it's like 50% of women can and some can't. I clearly didn't know I was ovulating because then... You're like, hello. Hello, I found a baby. Yeah, no. Wait, I did not know that. It's fascinating. So we both got that gene and I'm sure maybe some of my other sisters do as well. I'm not sure. But the identical twin part is just kind of a miracle. The scary part is like, because the identical twin is...

The identical gene is unpredictable. And my mom had two sets of identical twins. So she had Bailey and I, and then my 18 year old sister was also an identical twin. The baby just passed in utero. So the identical twin gene, obviously my mom had it. So if Bailey and I have that,

And then we also have the fraternal gene of dropping two eggs. You could get multiple. But you have to be careful with consecutive pregnancies. You could be multiplying rapidly. You could have four naturally. That naturally would be hard. Could you even? I would cry. You could have four naturally? Yeah, because you dropped two and then they split. No, no, no. Eggs can split twice. That's how triplets happen. I'm sweating. I'm also so confused that you can think of

you can feel ovulation. No, I didn't know that was a thing. Oh wait, I have another one that will blow your mind. Okay. Another fun fact about twins and kids, because we have the same DNA because we're identical, no matter who we marry, like obviously she married Dakota, I married Asa, they're not related at all. Our kids will be half siblings. They will not be cousins. They will be half siblings by DNA because we are identical. Isn't that crazy?

So technically. That's kind of sweet. I know. Like her kids are my kids. Like if we took a DNA test, it would not be able to know who was the mom. Same with crimes, right? Yes. It's true. Oh my. It's true. They've been planning a crime. The only thing that you can get away with, you can't get away with is fingerprints. That's the only thing that's different. Our DNA, like our saliva, our hair, it's all the same. I honestly don't know why there aren't more notorious twin criminals out there. Scooby-Doo has an episode on this. Somebody. Really? Scooby-Doo.

They're the only person I've ever seen talk about it. They probably are, but one of the twins are just always in hiding. Yeah, we just don't know, maybe. Oh. But anyway, yeah, we've never committed a crime. No. So do you want twins? I do. Dakota's like, give me all the babies. I love it. When she tells me she can feel both sides, I'm like... He's like, let's go. Let's go.

Bro, I'll tell you what. Like, I was the same way before kids. I was like, twins would be so cool. And then, like, now that I'm a parent, I'm like, I don't know how twin parents do it. Yeah. So much respect. Because it's so much work for one. So just, like, doubling that, that would be crazy. Yeah, my parents talk about it a lot. Like, their first kid was two kids. And they say all the time, it's like...

I feel like especially the infant stage where you're like breastfeeding still and like that, I feel like would be so hard. Yeah. My mom has a picture of us just on both of her boobs. Just the nursing twins. I mean, you got to do, you know, but I feel like once you hit toddler stage though, twins,

Like, we entertained each other. Yeah. Which I feel like helps. Has its benefits. Yeah, it has its benefits. Like, it's almost like having a second sibling already. It's just, I feel like it's particularly hard when you're just tiny. Newborn, I can't even imagine. And you're reliant on the mom and dad. And, like, you can't, you know, that I feel like would...

I don't know if I want twins because I feel like it would be really hard. Yeah, I think having twins would be fun, but birthing twins would not be fun. I think that's what scares me more. Because my mom, I mean, she almost died. She was a small woman. Like, to birth twins is hard. She didn't have a C-section? She did. She ended up having to have a C-section. But almost passed. It was crazy. So then did she have C-sections for all of her consecutive? She did. But to think, I mean...

I cannot imagine birthing two babies. Yeah. That's what scares me. I'd love to have twins, but the, you have to actually birth them. Well, carry them too. Or you could adopt. That could be a solution to that problem. And you said you were part of studies as twins? Like they studied you? Yeah. Yeah. I remember really little just to, I don't remember we were babies. I don't know. Part of the study, yeah, where they were trying to trace, trace where the identical gene comes from, whether it comes from the mom or the dad or.

or like a combination of mix of the DNA or like what causes the egg to split. And yeah, part of that study was they tested Bailey and I to see if we were identical. So that's how we know we're identical. Because like the study says so. Yeah, you can do like a little test. Yeah, a little DNA swab. Yeah, a little DNA swab. I mean, take a look at us though. You kind of assume. Yeah, you would like look at us and be like, oh my God.

And growing up on social media, do you guys have a plan for when you have kids, if you're going to show them, if you're going to show the back of their head until they're 13 like your mom did? Like, have you even thought about that? I have like literal nightmares about this because like what I don't know what the right answer is. I mean, it's a hot topic that's come up.

I mean, really been a hyper focus last couple of years, like family vloggers and like how your kids are in your videos. And we grew up just in a completely different time than it is now. So I just, I think about this all the time and what I think it would look like.

especially because our audience, they feel like sisters to me. Like I don't, I'm sure Brooklyn agrees. They feel like family. And so it feels weird to hide something like our kids. But at the same time, I care about the safety of my future children as well. So it's just like, what is the right answer? You know, probably not show them very much. That's where we kind of lean, but yeah.

I guess I can't say until I'm a parent. Yeah. I'm not sure. We don't know. Yeah, we have no idea. You got time, maybe. Maybe not. It's hard when your social media revolves around you as a person and a personality, too. Because by default, then having family and kids, that's part of your life. And so it's not like if you're a gaming social media influencer, you can kind of cut the family part out and just focus on your niche. But when your niche is...

your life, that's when it gets more complicated. So I really don't know what the answer will be. And the answer might change. It might be one way for a while and then switch, you know, you never know. Or it could be different. Like they might choose something different than we would choose. So it'll be really interesting to see how,

Do you think it's like... Okay, so I know I've seen videos where people call out certain family vloggers and things like that. Growing up in social media and being around that and seeing it really develop before your eyes while you were kids, do you think...

I don't know. Do you think it is as bad as people make it out to be? Have you seen situations where it has been horrible? Oh, yeah. What's your experience in that? Totally. It's as bad, if not worse, than people make it out to be. I think kids that grew up in our generation, social media really wasn't... Like Bailey's been saying, it's not...

I feel like adults that were doing it with their kids didn't understand nowadays. They know. People know. You know what you're doing. And you make money with kid content. Yeah, you know what you're doing. So a lot of people, I've seen quite a few families who pull their kids out of school and they're making content full time and homeschooling. And, you know, I think there does become a point where you're kind of crossing this line of taking your children.

childhood kind of a way. How did your parents navigate that with you guys? They were actually really pretty respectful of who wanted to be in videos and who didn't. We had our fourth sister down, like Brooklyn, me, Kamri, and Rylan. Her name's Rylan. She wasn't interested in being in videos as much, and so she didn't get filmed. And then, of course, the conspiracy theories came out. People saying she was the least favorite child because she wasn't in the videos. But really, it was...

my parents trying to respect a boundary so it's just different interpretations of things but they were pretty good about respecting really like we were in school we were in extracurricular activities like we like we had the opportunity to move to la and we didn't we chose to like stay out of that you know kind of scene and grow up like in high school and just doing the normal things so that

We didn't become kind of this like everything revolves around making content all the time when you're a kid. But you've seen the other side of things too. Like we were living our life and then filming. We weren't filming our, if that makes sense, we weren't filming to live our life. If that makes any sense. No, totally. So it's a little bit different. Like I said, it's just different time. I think it's a lot different now. But yeah, there are definitely scenarios. I think always it's worse than probably people think. Especially because back when we started it was like,

making money on youtube wasn't like that was like we got we got like a dollar in the mail yeah was that like pre-adsense or did adsense exist my mom's hair channel pre-adsense yeah and then like i remember a year or something and they got a check in the mail for like three dollars and we're freaking out because they could buy a burrito and it was a big deal and so burritos being three dollars i know that was like different world

That's amazing. I wish we could buy burritos for $3 still. It just wasn't what it is now. Did your mom, like, were you guys getting like a salary out of her business at all? Or was it like, how did that work with like money? Because like you were kids and you had your own channel. I'm curious what that was like. My dad would set aside money anytime we were in a video. So they just had like a bank account they would put money into basically. And then when we turned 18, we...

got that bank account basically is how they did it. So it's kind of a salary, I suppose, a monthly paycheck, I suppose, kind of thing. It's kind of how they did it, but I don't know how other people do it. Yeah, it's honestly like...

one of those weird, everybody can do it a different way. Kind of, you know, we were just talking to another family where their kids are kind of part of those social media, but they're trying to like walk that really good balance of like keeping them, you know, like in a regular lifestyle, but also social media, but like paying them, but like not giving them full access to funds at a young age, you know? So it's really difficult. And I feel like a lot of people navigate it differently, you know, and there isn't a rule book.

So that's the hard part. It's not like an accountant where there's like, oh, you paid them this much to do this job. Lost for these things didn't even exist until this year. Wait, lost do exist now? Yes, in some states. They protect children, like child actors now if they're social media. Including like kids on social media, which that didn't exist. Like none of that existed when we were kids, you know? Yeah.

So that's in place now. That's really cool. I didn't even realize that we'd made that progress because I just thought we were still in the dark ages of like, it's the wild west out here. Like, you know, everybody just... Slowly, I think. State by state, I think, figuring it out. And I'm sure it will become more commonplace. Obviously, just like Hollywood kind of figured it out, I'm sure, with the new age of social media. Yeah. We'll figure it out. It's all like a super sensitive subject because I just know people feel so passionate about it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's just tough to navigate. But I feel like my parents did a really good job for... I mean, like I said, it just...

It wasn't a conversation. I mean, YouTube wasn't even, YouTube didn't exist. It was cat videos. Like it just wasn't a thing for a really long time. Do you, are you glad that like you started when you were 13 or do you wish like you would have waited to do YouTube until you were say 18 or 17? I don't know. It's interesting you say that because I was just having a conversation with you about this the other day. Yeah, this is a tough question. I,

I was saying to him, I'm really glad we started when we did because it's really hard to break through now. I think it's a lot harder. But there are some like pivotal aspects. I feel like we didn't really fully understand like the

the big moments. Yeah. So like hitting a million subscribers, I just don't think we understood. We were in school. We were just filming for fun. Like we didn't really understand the meaning of it. You cared more about homecoming then. Yeah, I cared way more about homecoming than I did about like the number of followers we had. And so there are a couple of big pivotal moments. Like when we launched our mascara, we were...

How old were you when we launched it? I'm trying to remember. 16 when we started it. We started at 16 and launched at 18. And that's one of the things where I'm like, I still feel like I didn't fully comprehend like how amazing our launch was because we were so young when we did it. And now it was like a 23, almost 24 year old entrepreneur. I'm like, dang.

Like that was a really good launch and I don't think I really appreciated it in the moment. So there, I'm glad we did it, but there are some things I wish I just soaked in a little bit more. - Abby went to your Stay ITK event last year. I remember right afterwards, she was like, Matt, you've got to try these products. Like the skincare is amazing. Like I love the moisturizer. I started using the moisturizer in the face wash. - It's so good. - We would love to hear it.

run out I just go to Walmart I literally do and I'm like here it is it's so convenient yeah we love it it's been really fun that's been our second product brand that we've launched because we have our mascara that we launched and this you know our skincare line just came out last year so is that right yeah last year it's been so much fun it's just like I just we both have so much passion for

and building businesses and growing businesses. It's what we graduated in. It's just so much fun. So it's a blast. I call us all serial entrepreneurs because it's like you just can't stop. Even if you don't stop, you just start business. You're like, add it on. Yeah, it's like, just one more.

one more that's so cool do you guys find yourselves like toggling between like working a crazy amount and then like not working at all or like because that's kind of how the boat I fall into I'm I really struggle at just like having a normal work life balance so that's not for newer do you find yourself just doing crazy hours and then you go too far and you're like okay I need to pull back I need to take a break all the time I feel like we have surges of days where we're working so

- So many hours. - Until midnight. - And then a week where we just, like all I have to do is just post on social media and like that's the majority of what I do during the day. And then again, like I said, weeks it goes in waves. I also think that's why a lot of people get really confused about like influencers and what that job looks like because some days I really am just sitting at home and then some days it's like 15 hours of like straight work. So it just depends on the day. Is that how y'all are too?

Yeah, we've gotten better, I would say, at having more time. For me, truly, social media is kind of just my job. I'm very thankful for it. I'm very grateful for it. But for Matt, it's his hobby also. So for me, I want to treat it like a job. I want to have this is my on time, this is my off time. I don't want this to blend into my other time. And so that's why you've kind of moved towards making it more like a strict schedule for us. That's how...

She is. Yeah. I'm, I'm definitely more like I see it as a job and it overwhelms my life if I let it become more than that. So I tried really hard to set like strict hours and like,

you know, like nine to five, if I can keep my work schedule within those time hours, like I'm going to try really hard to like put my phone down after five or, but it's just hard because at the end of the day, it's like, who's going to post on Instagram? Who's going to post stories? Who's going to post? And you guys are founders. And so you have to pick up the phone. Bailey's a lot. She's a lot better than I am about like being able to do it round clock. I have a hard time with that. I'm like you. It's my passion. I love it. I have so much fun every single day. And so,

I'm like, I want to do more and more and more all the time. And then, of course, there's times where I'm just like, ugh, I just need a break. But almost all the time, I just love it. Well, it's weird because I've been trying to adapt more of the schedule Abby has, and I don't feel as fulfilled. No, same. Because I just want to either go all in or not do it at all. I just know there's potential. I'm like, oh my gosh, there's all these good ideas, and I got this potential. And so it's just like it's easier for me to completely work a –

15 hour day or not do anything. Like just chill and watch Stranger Things. Like binge a whole season and just like eat cookies. Oh, I could not relate to this more. So now we have kids. And so now like... You have to get... I love... I don't know about you. I love to stay up late and work. It's so fun. I can work till 5 a.m. My brain just doesn't shut off and I just love it. But like...

My son wakes up at 6 a.m. And yesterday he woke up at 5.15. So like I don't know. I haven't figured it out yet. Like as a dad. I don't know how to do this. Like as a dad. Because it's hard. You do a great job. You don't give yourself enough credit though. Like you hang out with boys so intentionally. Like I don't know how you like continue to do what you do. Because you pour so much into your work. And you pour so much into your kids. Yeah.

At the same time, protecting them too. Thank you. You do a very good job. You're not giving yourself enough credit. This podcast is not even about me. Thank you. I know. You're selling yourself short. I think it would be really hard to navigate with kids because, I mean, you guys have them. I don't. But I'm assuming you have to have a more rigid schedule because of kids. And so I can't imagine. I'm the same as you. Some days I just get inspired and I spend my entire day and entire night up until 3 a.m. just making something or creating something.

I can't imagine trying to work that in with also being a parent. That's hard. Which company or product? Well, because you also have a clothing boutique. Yeah. It's linked with our mascara. Yeah, so it's called Lash Next Door and that's our fashion and mascara brand. So that's just online. People can go shop anytime. And then we have our skincare line, which is

which stands for in the know and that's in walmart and then yeah just in walmart just like a smaller retailer yeah you probably haven't heard of it yeah yeah not many people have heard of that place yeah that's so cool and then of course we have like our social media which we consider a separate company like our social media company and then you all have wow and then we have sip city what is your favorite business that you've started

Oh my gosh. Depends on the day. Actually, like picking a favorite child. That's impossible. I feel like my most, like the one I have the most passion for is our clothing and mascara brand. Nice. Like we have an office we go in on Tuesdays and Thursdays. We have, you know, all of our coworkers that we work with. And like, I just feel like I can get really in it, like hands-on in it. Satisfying wise, the skincare, I feel like being able to see the product on shelf and like,

you know, I don't know. The scalp is probably huge for that. Yes. It's, I would agree with Brooklyn. The child we first birthed was our mascara. So like, obviously that's always going to be the closest to our heart. But,

But that skincare line is amazing and it's a passion project and it's like... It's more rewarding. So rewarding. And so I don't know if I could pick between the two, honestly. Well, I think you're changing lives really with the skincare too. Like, because people's acne is going away and like they've never had that. Yeah, it's been pretty great.

It is great skincare. We can test you it. I went from never washing my face to what? I use five products a day. I like have to use it every night. It's like. Freshen your teeth. Yeah. You should be the poster child. Like you can have like the before picture and the after picture. Wait, that would be such a fun.

My husband's skincare routine before. I have tried to convince him and he is too shy to film a video by himself about his skincare routine. But we should just lay on the pressure a little bit more so maybe I'll be convinced.

That's funny. Yeah. Like I've seen some of the videos. It's like my husband's skincare. It's like their shampoo and it's like a bar of three in one. Terrifying. Yeah. I feel like that was definitely you Matt. I used to buy my face wash from the dollar store. Hey, do what you can. Hey, at least you bought it. I use body wash. I was wondering, why is my face so pimply? I'm washing it every day.

I keep washing it and it's... Just, hey, PSA, if you're buying your face wash from the dollar store, don't do that. Go to Walmart. Yeah, go to Walmart. Don't wash your face with shampoo or body wash. Go buy real dedicated face wash. Yeah. Can I ask which business is like killing it the most or which one you're like, this one just like freaking took off and... You know, it's actually...

So obviously getting to Walmart was huge. There's a lot of stores. And so that's automatically just going to like step it up a notch above anything else we've ever done. It's just scale wise. But I'd say this year...

Our mascara has just taken off. TikTok shop changed our world. It changed our life. And with this mascara. We've sold, what is it? We're probably at 11,000 units in the last two months on TikTok shop alone. Which we always thought of it as like a, just like you said, like a boutique. Like it was a, it's just fun. But I never really, I don't know. We just...

It was, we've never seen that kind of sales off of just our like kind of small, I would consider like just fashion, makeup, brand online. And we got on TikTok shop and it just has been taking off for us. Do you guys ship all out yourselves? Yeah, we do. We do all of our distribution. We have a warehouse.

But it's not like, do you guys physically like go there and show it out? Or do you like, do you have a team though? Right. Yeah. Like you're not the only one. I think you'd be shocked at how small our team is though. I think we only have, we have one warehouse manager, one warehouse manager, all of our orders. We go back and help. And like we hire part-time help when needed, but some, some, some months are slow and some months are crazy. Like we're in the crazy season right now. So we obviously have part-time help, but I'm like seeing your guys' lashes and I'm like, I got to get this mascara. Yeah.

I think in total, how many people do we have working in that office now? We're not talking about ITK. This is just for the mascara brand. Six? Six people. Our team is six people. Maybe seven? Yeah. Like we said, we haven't had the growth we've had this year before. So we've had a pretty relatively, I would consider, small team. We plan on expanding next year. Yeah, we've got to at this point because we're growing so quickly on TikTok shop. Fingers crossed it stays that way.

I think it's so cool because clearly TikTok Shop is helping you guys, but TikTok changed our life. Our YouTube channel was not taking off at all, and then TikTok helped us grow an audience on YouTube. And it's just cool how it opens up this opportunity for people to start businesses and

I don't like you can live in the middle of nowhere and start a business on TikTok and promote it and sell stuff on the shop. And now you guys are blowing up your mascara. That's really cool. You don't even have to like have your own product on TikTok anymore. You can like affiliate link somebody else's product and you don't have to have a certain amount of followers or anything to have a video go viral and make money off of selling product. That's pretty crazy how it's like, I'm like that.

It has changed people's lives. That's for sure. I'll give TikTok credit where credit is due. Back when we started on, it was the first platform where the algorithm just promoted anybody that was like, had a good video. It was first musically. Before TikTok, it was musically. Yeah.

the OG days was musically and then when TikTok first started, you know, the algorithm just pushed. That's why people I think got so into TikTok was anybody from anywhere could go viral. Yeah. It's the first time we've ever seen that on any platform. What's it like working with your sister and then you guys, your husbands are also all, you guys are pretty closely working together. We're pretty integrated. Yeah. Yeah, like not totally like

hired on staff but we just he's like I'm looking for a job he's like hire me I have edited a handful of videos for them and I mean just help when I can and take pictures and stuff but yeah he's in he's in videos you get paid to be in the videos but

That's about it. Did you guys combine your bank accounts when you got married? We did not. No way. Yeah, so... This is very controversial, I feel like. But we actually... I had him sign a... Yeah, we signed prenups. This is not controversial. Sign prenups, people. Some people feel like... Protect your assets. It's a good thing. It's a good thing. It's a good thing for both parties. Wait, what? No, I'm such a proponent. Protect your assets. We owned multiple businesses when we got married. Yeah. And I had a savings account. And I...

My parents informed me and one of our attorneys just told me, you should probably have whoever you marry sign a prenup just to protect yourself. You never know. People can marry you for the wrong reasons. And we've seen it. I will say we've seen it. Did you have her sign a prenup for you? Yeah, we both did. Let's go. Okay. We both did it. There we go. Yeah, it was reversed too. It's not just a one-way thing. He had me sign one, but it was also...

I don't want to say a test because that's not true. It wasn't a test. It was real. But it did show me he was in it for the right reasons because when I brought it up, like he knew very early into dating that this was going to be something that would happen. But when I brought it up, he was like, yeah. And? Okay. Sure. I'll sign it. I feel like if someone is going to be very like...

like push back against that, then, then what is the purpose? Yeah. Like that's suspicious. So why? That's my question. Why don't you want to say that? And also you can cater a prenup to be kind of whatever you want it to be. So like, I, you know, I think a lot of people's prenups will like expire after 10 years of your marriage. Yeah.

a certain amount of time then it will expire and at that point then if anything happens everything is together you know like so you can kind of cater to whatever you want to say you can put clauses in it you know so it's very I think ours is it doesn't have to be I think there's a limited knowledge in like the community about what like a prenup even is and it's so it's a stigma I think just like

oh, you should trust your partner, like getting married. Oh, we're never going to get divorced. Like I would never have my partner sign a, you know, and I'm like, well, I came into the relationship with businesses I have to protect. Like, can you imagine if someone married you for the wrong reasons and they walked away with half of your business? Yeah. That's crazy. For their life. For the rest of their life. Like you never get that back. That's fully theirs. So it just, yeah. But he didn't even blink an eye. Well, I think it does change things when you're like,

a massive youtuber and you have you have like all these businesses yeah we had nothing when we got married so we're just like okay we'll just sign the papers you know we don't or we can say what we made in 2020 i think we made just shy of twelve thousand dollars together what the hell look at you we did not make very much money like but you guys how old were you guys when you got married just from social media

media no no no this is before completely before social media and then in our regular jobs we made combined 11 000 that was that's 20 it was 2019 or 2018 you guys when you got married we were 20 and 21 so you guys were really you guys were young and we are like most young people are in school and like you're not so rent for us was like 500 bucks a month utilities and all that like all in we are groceries a week

we never ate out. We spent 70 to $80. Yeah. We spent $75 a week on groceries and we barely ate out. Um, and then rent all in with utilities was under 600. And then we had scholarship. We went to a really cheap state school. We got scholarships. So like we essentially were going to school for free with this guy. Cause we just, we wanted to get married young. So we knew like, yeah, we just kept our expenses as low as possible. Um, but yeah, we lived in low income housing and we were so happy cause we had each other. That's exactly what I'm like. The whole,

- The whole moral of the story is money is not happiness. You can so be happy on-- - But look what hard work did. - Look at you guys. - It's kind of interesting, I don't want to diminish the support of having, if something were to happen, we had family, we never took money from them, never asked for money, but we had them and I don't want to diminish that support, what that actually means to have. But yeah, sometimes when people say things, I'm like, oh, but do you remember literally three years ago,

ice cream I don't want to hear it I so I bought myself my own car and my brother got his had his car like he just got it and remember he had repairs on his I was paying for like everything for my car insurance everything and he had a five hundred dollar like repair or something and I found out about it about it and I got so pissed at my parents because like I bought my car I'm paid for my insurance and you paid for his and like he got it for free but

but like no we we had their support though like if we would have if everything would have like blown up in our faces I could have lived in my parents basement and like had a place to live you know and eating their food so I was fortunate where do you fall in the siblings are you like an older child he's the middle child I'm the middle the middle kid was his brother younger or older uh

My older brother. Oh, I feel like as an older sibling, I get that a lot where it's like my younger siblings are, you know, of course, like my parents are more strict with the older ones and then like they loosen up as the younger ones come around. No, but I'm so thankful for having to like work because then it just, it taught me everything that I know today and like I wouldn't be here. And I look back on that time so fondly. It's not like it was like, we always talk about like, if we could just go back.

I'm glad my parents didn't give me any money to buy a car. Like, I'm glad I had to do it myself because then it taught me that work ethic. But I want to ask you, Dakota, how did, how was your reaction to that? Were you like, oh, frick, we're doing a prenup? Like, what was your interpretation? No, I mean, it totally made sense because I mean, I want to protect myself too. So we'll definitely think twice about it. Yeah. So. Yeah. It was just like one of those and, you know, like when you're married young, like my parents were married at 18.

I think two. Wow. Like they were in school and didn't have anything. There was like, there's no need for it when you're like starting at the same level. But when, you know, like for Dakota, you know, he got married a little bit older and had kind of established finances in a life and a business. And at that point for us both, it made the most sense to just be like,

What was yours before is yours. And what was mine before is mine. And what we build together is together. You know? Like I said, I think there's a weird stigma of people being like, oh, if you make them sign a prenup, it's basically...

confirming you'll get divorced or that you'll just never take care of them. And I'm like, no, that's not, it's like a worst case scenario. It's like having a will. By writing a will, you're not saying anything bad is going to happen. It's just there just in case. Maybe a prenup could be romantic. It could be romantic. I think I noticed, something I wanted to ask about too is you guys didn't take, like you obviously traditionally the wife takes the last name of the husband. You guys didn't take your husband's last names, right? So actually we hyphenated. So we both took each other's last names. Oh, okay.

That's cool. You don't see that a lot. No, it was really uncommon. And when we talked about it, like we got mixed reception about it, but I don't really care. I'm like, I wanted to keep my last name. He wanted to keep his, but I wanted us to be like a family unit. Yeah. And give our kids the same name. Yeah. So we're the McKnight Howards. That's cool. Yeah. Howards. Howards. Yeah. We're actually family. We're family. Asa is actually my brother. He's here today. Did you know that? We do get a Howard bro picture at the end of this. That's cute.

It's definitely untraditional for sure. And you guys didn't hyphenate? No. No, we didn't do anything. Not that, like, I love his last name. His last name is really cool. Blackburn is his last name. Whoa, okay. But I also love McKnight. And part of me is, like, the oldest daughter...

I'm sure Bailey feels a little bit of this. You know, we, you know, for a long time, we didn't have any boys. Like it was just the four girls before we had Dax. And so I didn't know if the McKnight name would even get carried on if all of us took our husband's name. So, you know, obviously now we have a brother and you know, the name can be carried on, but there's a part of me that still was like,

my degree is in my last name. Everything is in my last name. Like there really isn't any reason for me to change it. Um, and Dakota didn't particularly care. I forget all about it. We don't, we really don't have any issues with it. The only hard part will be like when we have kids, obviously like deciding on the last name that we're going to give our kids.

children um but i think at that point we might just not give our kids a middle name and just do both last names yeah that's actually a really good idea yeah interesting the options are open and everyone can do whatever they feel comfortable with you know i just again we were both adults and it was like i didn't you know i like my last name he likes his last name yeah and what have you guys decided or have you not decided what you're gonna do our kids will be mcknight

Howard. That's right. Okay. That was a really dumb question. Back it up like three minutes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, I don't know about middle names. They'll probably just be long name. I grew up with four names. Whoa. Both of my, it's really weird. It's like kind of four

Because all of my best friends growing up all had four names. Everyone I knew had four names. It's a very Southern thing to be like. Yeah, like my best friend in high school had two first names. My best friend in high school also had two last names. He had two.

two last, well, middle names. Two middle names, yeah. I'm not going by five names now, by the way. He took one out. He took one out. You took one of your names out? How did your parents feel about that? He's like an older grandparent. No, what he's not saying is he did not like the name. I didn't like the name. It was Asa Ryan Hardy Howard. So he took...

Hardy. Yeah, it was like a great-grandparent or something. But dude, like Tom Hardy, that's such a tough name. Okay, I mean, yeah. Tom Hardy's cool, but... That's so bad, Asa. I don't care about tough names. Wait, Hardy? It was my choice. I can see Hardy Howard, but if you were Asa Hardy, I'd be like, bro. Asa Hardy. I feel like you could kick my butt if that was your name. Yeah, buddy. I don't know if it's Asa. I don't know if it's Asa. I don't know if it's Asa.

Not quite. What were some of the, like, did you guys get any out there reactions when you told people that you were doing a prenup or that you were not taking your husband's last name? Yeah. I mean, I think there's always going to be out there reactions when you're telling basically like 8 million people, 9 million people that you're doing something and they don't agree. And that's totally fine if you don't agree, like no hard feelings. But yeah.

Yeah, definitely some people felt passionate. I remember talking even with close family. They were shocked that I wasn't going to just give up my last name. Yeah. A couple of his cousins were saying, oh, but don't you just feel like it's your role and your responsibility to be, you know, like take on your husband's...

whatever, whatever. And I'm just... For me personally, that's not how I felt. And so I just knew how I wanted to do it and was not deterred. But everyone can do whatever they want. That's how I feel. I feel like we were... My mom is like...

you know, we mentioned this a little bit earlier. She's like a very tough woman. Like she just is like a hardcore woman and she raised us all to be like hardcore women. And like everyone has an opinion and their opinions are valued. And so I appreciate marrying someone who values my opinion, you know? And like, I appreciate that Dakota was so willing to be like, yeah, you feel so strongly about this as a woman. Like, yeah, you can keep your last name and it doesn't

affect me yeah same here we just compromised like yeah he wanted to keep his i didn't make him give up his last name he didn't make me give up my last name like it was a fully full compromise and i will i will shout my dad out because we were also raised around a really loving and caring father figure as well who like showed us that that was something we could look for in husbands like when bailey and i both walked ourselves down the aisle on our wedding day

because we felt very strongly that we didn't need to be given to anybody that we could give ourselves and so and my dad of course same thing as our husbands was very much like you feel that strongly I love you and I just want to support you in whatever way I can and like if you feel strongly about this like I'm here to just support you know yeah talk about that a

little bit more because I feel like that was probably something that you guys have done a lot of untraditional things. Yeah. How inspiring for young women though like I think about a younger a younger listening or like and you have a lot of young women looking up to you so that's really cool. Seeing you start all these businesses it's really inspiring. Thanks. So you you

Sat your dad down. You, I guess, had it at first. It was really her that instigated the combo. It was all kinds of factors that went into it. One thing that people could not wrap their heads around, they were like, well, do you not like your dad? Do you not love your dad? Yeah, you're like, I have a great relationship with him. I'm like, no, we have a great, like, great relationship. That had nothing to do with it. It was just...

Traditionally, in traditional marriages, the dad walks you down the aisle to, quote-unquote, give you away. And I didn't feel like I needed a man to give me away. I wanted to give myself away to my husband. When we got married, our whole theme was...

it doesn't have to follow the tradition. Like we wrote our own script for the ceremony or like we just wanted to do it our own way. Like we didn't really care. Yeah. Like, and I've actually officiated two weddings. No way. Mine. Yeah. Oh, that's so sweet.

That is really cool. But the only rule is they have to say, I do. And I have to say, by the power vested in me, you're now husband and wife. The rest of it is just tradition. Everything is a tradition. That's really cool. I like how thoughtful you guys have been with this whole process. And I'm sure that'll extend into your parenting too. Because I feel like it's really easy with tradition. I'm someone, I love tradition. Yeah.

But I think it's really easy being someone that's like very traditional to like become passive and just like, oh, this is how we do it. And not ever like actually thinking like why? And like, you know, is there something that's more fitting to us and to our family? So that's really cool. Yeah. I mean, like I said, if you love tradition, that's awesome. Just for me personally, it was like...

It's always just whatever makes you happy, I feel like. Like if you feel fulfilled and happy and the things you're doing and like the role you're filling, like then that's all that really matters at the end of the day. But it's like Brooklyn said, I sat my dad down and told him just like, hey, I think I might want to walk myself down the aisle just so I can have that moment to myself. And also just, you know, this is how I feel about this topic. And he was like,

I thought he might be like a little bit upset. Like, I mean, of course that's understandable since it's so traditional. You raise your daughter thinking. Yeah. And he was like, yeah, no, that's fine. And I was like,

okay he's just a nice guy yeah my dad's just a nice guy his only stipulation was he wanted to hug me at the end of the aisle so he got to hug me at the end of the aisle and i hugged my mom too that's so cute he's the best for a minute there it was just the four girls so i feel like he's a little bit more like tender-hearted because he just grew up i would say significantly by women raised by almost a single mile you know yeah his story was written

yeah he really was like he's just very tender-hearted because he grew up I think around so many women and he has three sisters too so many daughters yeah so he has a twin sister I mean it's just like and what about your mom did she have all brothers or like she had older brothers and older sisters yeah she has all of the above because my mom had all sisters but they all went on to be engineers they graduated with engineering degrees so they yeah powerful women in my family and so like I don't know I just think that's that's

I can totally relate to your like, yeah, growing up with that. The family dynamic. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I want to just be friends with you guys. Like, we are friends. We are friends. We're talking about. I meant like, live close. Like, yeah, live close. I'm bummed you guys live in Texas. I know. There's a house next door to us. Yeah, you two already live. Let's get it. Wait, actually. Actually. Let's go. That's not how we make decisions, honestly. Everyone's like, why did you come to Arizona? We're like,

We just did. No, we just did. And same thing with Hawaii. We just like randomly on a whim decided to move to Hawaii. But that's what, like I love that our family is moving to us now, but then I'm also like, crap, like if we want to move to Texas, we can't now. Our family's here. Your houses are really close together, huh? Yeah, so we originally had houses next to each other. We were in the process of like...

those homes. And then, of course, it got so expensive to buy houses. So I ended up bumping over a neighborhood. So we're literally like across the street from each other, less than five minutes away. We love it. I was going to ask. Yeah. Do you love it? Or sometimes there's a sibling conflict that comes. I mean, there's always sibling conflict. Yeah.

sisters you know but none of it i feel like ever comes from living close no it's not proximity the only is it work yeah usually it's what will be like tips we ever really have is over work and you that's inevitable considering work like we talked about earlier is pretty much 24 7 yeah we feel we pat ourselves on the back sometimes because we're like okay we personally spend all of our time together we work together yeah we live from each other like we lived with each other

We kind of like each other. We literally live in the same house together. That's actually so sweet. Yeah, so we're like, okay, we're going to get into fights, but like...

It's not really that frequent considering how much time we spent together. Yeah, really not. Would you ever live together again? I would. We lived together when we were married. Yeah. For the first little bit. That's impressive. We shared a rental house. I would do it again on the stipulation that we had like two floors because we were on one floor and our rooms were kind of close. It's like sharing the kitchen. We were sharing the laundry. And newlyweds. Yeah, newlyweds.

Yeah, we were newlyweds. So there were like two floors or something. Totally down for it. I feel like it was a slave. We were living the new girl life. We were having so much fun. I was loving it. So much fun. It was very cheap. Cheap rent. Yeah, it was. Well, okay, so then it's not like you two get along great, but then also your husbands get along. Yeah, are you guys best friends? I mean, they're pretty close. They're pretty close. Yeah, they're pretty close. The guys are so different.

Yeah, like we have different hobbies and stuff, but we get along really well, so. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like we both married very like even, calm, like just, you know, like they get along with everybody, so they were going to get along no matter what. Yeah, it was inevitable. It was inevitable. I love that. Also, part of the stipulation of marrying twins, you just have to get along, circling back to what we talked about earlier. You guys said something on your Q&A about getting married recently, your newlywed Q&A, how...

like this, you guys don't think marriage is hard? Like you guys were like, yeah, this is so controversial. I know, I know. I wanted to bring it up because you guys were like, it's actually really easy. Yeah. The people in the comments of this video are going to be like, they were so mad at me for saying that. They were, they were. Listen, like my personal opinion is

Marriage isn't hard, but life is. And that's how I feel about it. I'm like being married, like choosing every day to like love him and not get a divorce, I guess, is not difficult. The hard part is the things that we're experiencing together. Like, you know, like that's where things get hard. Like, you know, whether that's I don't know what it looks like for every couple, but having kids or finances or blah, blah, that's life.

Your marriage itself, I feel like obviously we argue and like just like every couple, but loving each other is not hard. I feel like you also have to stipulate that that's your personal experience. Yes. So like,

Of course, for other people, maybe their marriage is hard personally, like their relationship together. But from their personal experience, you're speaking from your personal experience. Yeah, my personal experience is like loving Dakota isn't the difficult part. Like life is the difficult part. That's my opinion. But I did get a lot of people in my comments that were like, what are you talking about? But I mean, like I said, it's just my opinion. That's my experience. Asa, is marriage hard?

No, it's not. I mean, yeah, same thing for us. Like I feel like we're best friends. We, we pretty much try to spend as much time together as possible. And like Brooklyn said, it's life that makes things hard. It's,

to compromise when, you know, there's not always something that we agree on or trying to balance each other's emotions. Like, sometimes the emotions just don't, you know, the way that she might feel about something is not how I feel about something and that's where I feel like the struggle can come through and learning how to listen and communicate is really where it makes that easy. But if you take

that's something out of the equation, then there's not an issue. That's what I'm saying is like that something is something life has thrown at you that you have different opinions about or you have different emotions about. Like that, I feel like is where... Yeah, I mean, we've been together for...

Seven years. A long time. And I would never categorize it as hard. I'm trying to think why it would be hard. That might get me in trouble. We can tell you guys about why. We can tell you a little bit of hard stuff. No, I love that for you guys. Listen, everyone gets into arguments. I truly, I love that you guys are saying that it's not hard and I want you guys to always say that. Feel that way. That's what I'm saying. I hope 50 years from now you're like, marriage is so easy. I really want that for you. I feel like

gotten to this point and you're there like probably yes like you if you find like a really good like balance like i think we're both very strong-willed people yeah that's probably true like there are things where like we are on opposite ends of the spectrum opinion wise about things and like that's like i i guess yes i can see where people would categorize that as difficult like yeah getting along with your spouse or like lifestyles or like living habits like that can be hard

But I'm talking literally just strictly about like loving your partner. Like loving your partner is not difficult. Loving your partner enough to not like just up and leave them, you know? Yeah. To me, that's never an option. That's not a choice because I love him so much. That's where it's not. I mean, we definitely have disagreements. Like, should I go to the store every day to buy our food? The groceries every day, really? No, I think I agree. I agree with Brooklyn. I think there's just, it depends on how you, what you categorize.

As hard. Okay. Like, yeah. How you define that might make the difference between what you say is difficult and what you say isn't. Yeah. Because everybody argues. Like, we're not sitting here saying, because we're saying it's not hard, we don't struggle. But just, like, all together, do the pros outweigh the cons? Is there ever a time where we feel like... Would I rather be single? No. Do we feel like it's ever... Would you want to be married to somebody else? No. Yeah. You know, like, those are the things that...

It's always workable. I really like that. Yeah. That's really sweet. I'm happy for you. I love that. Thanks. Matt, you can tell me you love me right now. I love you very much. I love you so much. No, we've been in this weird funk where like we'll have like a gnarly fight and then we'll be like an hour later. I think 202 is doing that. Yeah. Maybe it's just the 202 thing, but it's like we'll be in a gnarly fight and then it's just like, I love you so much. And it's just like, bing, boom. I'm just like, can we just freaking like fight?

Find some middle ground. Like find somewhere in the middle where it's not like really, really good or really, really bad. Like I'm like, let's just have like a normal relationship. I don't know. That would be cool. But you guys have two kids. Yeah, it's crazy. That's the hardest part. The hardest part is probably, you know, like emotions from toddlers are seeping into you. Yeah.

If you survive this, your marriage can survive. Yeah. Almost anything. Well, it's just like, yeah, especially like when it's 5 a.m. and your kid's screaming and you're like, okay. That wasn't beautiful. I don't know. That wasn't precious. Yeah, because like for me, I'm like, I'm going to just, I just need like 30 more. And Abby's like, can you please get out of bed already? Like, he's still crying.

like okay well for me yeah this is a totally side conversation with my babies are upset like oh it's fight or flight and usually i want to fight matt if they're upset i'm like she takes it i'm like they're upset but then my thing is like you know half the time they cry and then like one minute later like back asleep you know a minute of my son crying feels literally like i'm like

did you set a timer because we like will let them be like yeah you know a little bit upset for five minutes and then before we go in and intervene just we don't wake them up more if they're like kind of just tossing and turning but I'm

Like, five hours. Well, how did you... Okay, have you guys ever fought about money before? Because, like, we've always prided ourselves in, like, we've never once had a money fight. Ever. Until a month ago. Yeah. And it was like... I was like, dang. Like, I thought we'd never ever have that. You know? Yeah. I... We have... We've had a few... I wouldn't even say necessarily arguments so much as, like, we just had different opinions about, like... Where we... Where we should spend our money slash, like...

how to spend it, especially starting a new business that was like, obviously required a lot of cashflow. And so like figuring out how to spend that. And like, we have only this set amount and like, we have to be strategic. Um, but I wouldn't say that that's something we really argue about a lot. Yeah. We're blessed. We're blessed for sure with the job that we do and the finances that we make. And so I feel like,

For us personally because we've been so blessed. It's not been a conversation we've had to have but I know that doesn't go for everybody So it just depends on the situation and where you're at in life recently You guys brought up on I think tiktok about a story of you guys dealing with a stalker Yeah, and that freaked me out because we've never luckily dealt with a situation like that Talk about that because that's really scary. Yeah, i'm so for the people listening, I guess. Um

that haven't seen it, I talked recently and really, to be honest with you, we've never spoken openly about stalkers. I'm not sure why. Maybe because I thought it would bring more or invite more problems. Well, it's also,

Safety. Yeah. Yeah. So there just, there was never, I don't know. I just never felt comfortable talking about it. And then just one day I sat down to film and get ready with me. And I just, just for some reason decided I was like, okay, like it's been six years. I'll tell this story. Um, but I had a guy who was following me for a really long time in high school and just got to a really creepy level where he showed up at my house and was like trying to get in and was,

Sending me letters at my home and paid money for my address and showed up at my school. And so eventually we moved and changed my phone number and like...

never heard from him again, but... And this was just you, Bailey? Yes, and I don't think people understand, like, just because we're twins doesn't mean we're not targeted individually. Yeah, we have... It can totally happen. We've had two really bad stalker stories. One was focused on Bailey and one was focused on me, and we've not really had anything outside of those two. Okay. Yeah, most of the other ones are pretty... Like, a couple other squabbles, but minor, and then we had two, like...

really major, like, scary, scary situations. So you saw them in person? I did from my guy. I did on, let's see, one, two, three, four occasions. Jeez. He would just show up everywhere we were. That's why we were seeing him all the time because it was, like, quite literally stalking. Like, it was, like, where we were, he was there. So that's why she saw him so much. But the hard part is, like,

Police like to file a restraining order. Law enforcement has to have certain things in order to get involved. I tried and they like told me I had to have a recording of myself telling him to leave me alone. And then he had to physically show up again after. And they had to leave me alone to get a restraining order. Yeah, it was like a whole list of things. What do people do though? Because like that's you, you already had that altercation. So I guess if people listening right now ever have a situation like that, you should take a video. Yeah, video yourself immediately.

The first time. Immediately and say, literally the words say, leave me alone. I have no interest in seeing you. Okay. And then if they show up again, it's like, but then again, this was six years ago. So maybe it's different now. I'm not sure. I was also 17. So I couldn't even remember probably properly, but that's what I remember happening is like we had to get a recording of him. And by the time we got in the recording, he never showed up again. I would just tell anyone that's in a dangerous situation.

record it even if you're feeling uncomfortable just record everything for you know evidence purposes for like and then if you ever feel like someone is stalking you get a very very very clear recording of you saying i do not want you to follow me this is against my will will yeah and then at that point the police can get more involved because like at that point you've directly said i do not want well and i think at first we just i don't know what in my memory i

It was like when it was happening, it wasn't registering as big of a deal as it now feels. If that makes sense. I think there's a lot of things that happened to me in high school that I'm like, oh, wait. Yeah. What? That was crazy. We were just talking about that. What were we talking about? That's why it's kind of scary. Even like so many things like having teenagers, like your view of perception is not your view of reality is not trustworthy. Yeah. You're just like meh.

You know, like, that's kind of how it was. I was like, yeah, I mean, I was scared. Yeah, like, there's a guy stalking me, but not to a degree. I probably should have been, like, the first time he showed up, I should have called the cops. You know what I mean? Like, I should have been way more intense about it, but at the time, it just...

I don't know. It just didn't register. I don't know what... Teenage brains. I thought maybe it was a one-off scenario. Well, yeah. There's a lot of things you could also explain away. Yeah. And you did get a restraining order though eventually. No, I never did. Oh, you never did? So we got the recording of us saying leave me alone. Okay. And then he showed up at my school but not within a physical like...

It's really hard to explain, but basically like not enough to get a restraining order. You got a restraining order? Yeah. So, well, sort of. This is a complicated. This one's a very complicated story. It's sensitive. It's, I'll give you the general details. There was someone in our DMs very obsessed with me, particularly with my virginity. And like, it just, another teenage boy. And yeah.

Eventually, it got heated to the point where he figured out where we were going to church when I was in college and showed up there and kind of camped out the parking lot and then threatened to do a lot of dangerous things if I didn't see him. And anyway, I had to get police involved and that he did actually get arrested on site and they put arrest on him.

Sorry, they found him and then they put an arrest on site for like my school campus and my church. So if he ever came back around, they could arrest him on site. So kind of like a restraining order, but not like for me personally, just more the area. Because he did threaten to, you know, do some dangerous things in the area. So yeah, that was one where it was... I have like a case file of like all the information about him, his car, his license plate, everything that I still have. And for some reason, like I'm still sitting here like nervous.

to talk about it for some reason like i'm still like oh like what if this has like repercussions or something but you know what this is the reality this is what happens to us here you go so sorry i'm so so sorry no i mean i'm just grateful that considering the career and the length of the career we've had that hasn't it's been so minimal for us and i had no direct contact with my

What can people do to protect themselves at that? Other than do a recording if there's ever an altercation to show to the police. Yeah, don't post where you are publicly, like IRL. Don't show license plates and addresses. Don't hand out personal information like phone numbers, emails, anything. Also, I would say...

Listen to your gut because even when you're like, because it's so, especially I feel like as women, you dismiss it so often. You're like, oh, I'm just like, I'm making it up in my head. He's not really following me. Or, oh, I'm like in the grocery store and that guy kind of looks at me weird. But like, no, he's not doing that. Like, I would say follow your gut. If you're feeling uncomfortable, remove yourself from the scenario. I do now. Like, in the moment when that guy showed up the first time, I just had like, I mentioned it in the TikTok, but I just had like a,

a sick feeling, like sick. And I'd never seen this man, never talked to this man. I just had a sick feeling and sure enough, it ended up being pretty bad. And so now, like, I don't even question it. I don't even stick around. I'm like, I'm out. Even if like, I think we went to a movie one time and I was like, I'm out, I'm leaving. I don't feel good. I'm leaving. Like we were at a restaurant on time. I'm like, we're out, we're leaving. Like just random scenarios. I'm just like,

I better say I'm sorry 10 out of 10 times you know like what's the half a movie gonna cost you versus like if something happens yeah I listen to that that's really good advice

I love that you can trust your intuition. Internet safety, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, thank you. Practice internet safety. Well, you guys, it's been a pleasure speaking to you today. Like, it's, you guys are so cool. I feel like we really connected over this conversation. Thanks for making it so easy. Can't wait to move into your neighborhood. Yeah, no, we're going to actually move into your neighborhood now. I think we just decided. I saw you guys play Catan. Yes. Wait, what? And I was like, we love Catan. Of course. We love Catan.

I wish we had more time. Wait, dang it. We need to play. He's so good and so competitive. I win every time. Matt wins every time.

Let's play a game. Okay. Where can people follow you guys? Like tell people where they can find you. Yeah. Every, pretty much every social handles Brooklyn and Bailey. If you just look up Brooklyn and Bailey, you'll probably see us. You can find our clothing and our mascara at slash next door.com. And then you can find our skincare, um, ITK at Walmart. So you can check all those out. That is so cool. And if you're,

city in like the dfw area come visit city that's so cool yeah thank you guys yeah thank you thanks for having us you guys are so super fun thank you thank you well as always that's where we say peace out dudes okay i was like two one peace out