Devin & Hunter Cordle on Waiting Until Marriage, Postpartum Depression & Getting Hate Online
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- Two weeks after I had Ivy, they do that little survey about your mental health, basically. - Yeah. - And the lady called me, she was like, "Devin, are you depressed?" And I just like cried on the phone with her. - Aww. - And I was like, "I think so." - I don't wanna overstep here, but did you guys wait 'til marriage? - We did. - We did. - The most disciplined thing we ever had to do. - About a year ago, - Yeah. - You were like asking how-- - I was like, "How do you handle the hate comments?" - Mm-hmm. - And I remember you said, "Honestly, like as sad as it is, you get numb to it." And that is so true.

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on Spotify podcast as of today. So round of applause. That's freaking awesome. Thank you guys for making that happen. Number four in the country. Yeah. Number four in the U S like we're, we're gaining on Joe Rogan. He's number one right now. Oh my gosh. As of the day we're filming this.

um and we're super excited to have devin and hunter cordell on the podcast social media sensations they're on tick tock they're on youtube they're on instagram we'll put their ads here on um on the screen too nice thank you for having us we're honored oh my gosh we're so stoked we're in hawaii right now which is super exciting our kids are asleep and we're trying to get this podcast it's currently almost 10 30. this is our second try

We can't do this during the day because we have babies and they need our attention during the day, but...

But at night, they still need our attention sometimes. So we might be starting and stopping a little bit. But thanks for bearing with us. Oh, yeah. It's honestly fun to be with other parents because we don't have to stop and apologize a lot. We're not the only ones. They get it too now. You know? Yeah. That is nice. I was telling Matt when we were waiting for you guys at the airport here, I was like,

Devin and Hunter are one of the few people I get like so excited to see. Like I like a lot of people, obviously. But like to actively like get so excited. So sweet. I was just like waiting like a dog at the window. No, literally ditto though. Yeah, same. But I think we've told y'all before. But before we ever blew up on TikTok, like we watched y'all, you know. And so, and I told Hunter, I was like, we're going to be friends with them one day. That's crazy. Isn't that cool?

It's actually really funny because the week before, like last week, like before we came to hang out with you guys...

I had a Snapchat memory pop up. And when we FaceTimed y'all the first time, I took a picture. No way. Yeah, really for... That was a year ago. Yeah, it was a year ago. That's insane, guys. Yeah, it was crazy. Wait, so that was just a couple days ago? You got that memory? Yes, literally probably less than a week ago. Wow. I know. So it's just like a full circle moment. So that's what I mean, like...

Like, not only did we, were we excited to be friends with y'all because I was like, it's going to happen one day. But y'all are just go above and beyond, like, to meet that, like, friendship thing.

I don't know, y'all are just really cool people. Thank you. So nice. What people see on the internet honestly doesn't even compare to how really good of a people y'all are. For sure. Thank you guys. I was literally about to say the same thing because like you guys, I feel like you have such good like positive, hilarious energy. Yes. There's like, like in your videos, I'm like there is no way that people can actually be like that in real life and then

you meet the two of you and you guys are literally... I could just watch you guys. You're just entertaining and the way you interact is just...

It's hilarious. I don't laugh harder with another couple, I don't think. I leave here with my face hurting after being with y'all. Oh, for sure. Like, us four together. Yeah. Like, I wish that people that are watching this and stuff just could be a fly on the wall. Yeah. In just some of our conversations. That would probably get us in trouble. Oh, totally. I'm so bummed we don't live in the same state. I know.

We haven't seen each other in three months and we're finally back together. One of us has to move. We'll just keep going on really cool vacations like this. I actually want to talk about our trip to Sedona because we had literally known you guys for two days and we just shared a hotel. Yeah.

Yeah, back in May of 2022, Abby was like super pregnant and we legit just went on all these hikes in Sedona with Devin and Hunter. And I think we put you guys through the ringer. Like we did some pretty big hikes. Yeah. Yeah, we did. You guys don't really like hiking that much, huh?

No. It's not that we don't like it, but we've never done it. Oh, yeah. So when we were kids, we never traveled anywhere to do it. Exactly. Our parents never did it. There's nowhere to do it where we live, so it's just... In Alabama. Right. Right. It's because we live in South Alabama. Like, in North Alabama, it's kind of mountainous. Not really like, you know, like y'all are used to, but...

So anyways, y'all have given us a lot of experiences. I just think it's funny that we shared a hotel. I think so too. Oh my gosh. And I remember, I think. We were just laying in bed talking to each other. We were like, hey. Okay, good night. But that's how I knew like it was just a really good friendship because it was nothing was awkward or weird. Like right away, I mean, that was just hilarious. Oh yeah. Remember the battery guy? What was his name? Like Marty? Yeah.

I don't remember. Oh, wait. That definitely had to be Marty. I think it was Sauron. The guy just like... Matt had told him that the air conditioner or the thermostat or something wasn't working. And then there was like an intense knock at the door. And then he just barked. I thought he was going to give us the batteries. Like, hey, swap them out. Throw the old ones away. He's like...

Like as soon as we opened the door, he's like, straight all the way back. It's all the way back at the back of the room. Matt's in the shower. I'm like, he's going to walk out like a towel or something. Yeah. Honestly, we were already in like a giggly mood. So like after that, we were done. That was just a great, and then y'all convinced Hunter to do yoga. I was going to say, I was more comfortable sharing a room with somebody that I didn't know than doing that yoga. There was like a,

- It was like at the motel we were staying at, some Russian lady was hosting, I don't even know if she was hired by the hotel, honestly. I think she just, it was just Sedona vibes, honestly. She just wanted to do a peaceful morning yoga set. - Yeah. - And she was so-- - And Matt and I were like, we're in. - She was so nice. - Oh my gosh, she was so nice. - And we were all making fools of ourselves. - Like you're just laughing. - I felt bad, 'cause we were just so bad at yoga, especially me and Hunter. I think you-- - Dude, you were live years better than me.

I was like trying to get into it, honestly. But she was so sweet because she was so caring of Abby being pregnant. Like she had come in over to you and making sure you were doing everything right. My modifications. Yes, that was so sweet. But that was so...

That was just a great trip. Too many belly laughs with the two of you. Yes. That first hike was fun. Second one, not so much. Yeah, we took them on like a seven mile hike. Yeah. In Sedona, which is like a desert. For one single view. And Devin didn't even do it because it was kind of adventurous. I was so scared. Yeah. Well, now you're living your nightmare again in Hawaii because of all these geikos. Geikos. She calls them geikos.

You guys are freaking hilarious. Our Airbnb has a large number of lizards crawling around. There's a lot of roommates here. We'll put a video on the Unplanned Podcast Instagram of Devin's reaction. I saved you one time. I saved me. They were like, we need to split dinner costs. I'm like, no. We got dinner covered. You saved my life tonight. I got a gecko out of

Her bedroom. Thank you. Yep. I kept them alive and everything. So something that I think about... Like, something that's really cool about you guys is I know we were talking before the podcast. You guys met when you were 13, is it? 13. You were dating then? Were you dating or did you just meet then? Okay, so we, like, met through Facebook. It was actually through...

My sister was dating a guy, and I was in eighth grade. We were both in eighth grade because we were the same age. And I wanted a boyfriend. So silly, right? I was like, I want a boyfriend. And then they were like, I know this guy, whatever. So I actually already was friends with Hunter on Facebook, and I deleted him and added him again to get his attention. You got to think, we were 13. So it was just a cheesy type of boyfriend-girlfriend. My mind right now is trying to think of...

Hunter being 13 because I can only picture you with a mustache. Well, I had a little baby one then, you know. You did? Oh, yeah. I started growing that pretty early, honestly. Oh, my gosh. I'm actually embarrassed. No, I had to shave it. Like, I had to shave this in middle school. No way. Or else I'd look like Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite.

I'm being serious. You always shaved it around me because I never saw you with a mustache. Well, I had to or else it would look terrible. I can't even grow a mustache, bro. You definitely can't. I'm working out the shadow. No shot, dude. You have a shadow. No shot. Oh, yeah. Come on, man. It's embarrassing. It's all like... It is a little splotchy. Pretty splotchy. That's how my beard is.

You've got a fuller beard than he's got, though. Well, yeah, but... They're still splotchy. Okay, so you played games on Facebook? Yes, basically, and... Just because he was single and your friend was like... Yeah, I was like, oh, he's cute, and I just wanted a boyfriend, you know? I don't know why. I just...

thought that's what I needed at 13. So here we go. I deleted him, added him back. And it did work because he told me like after we started talking that he recognized my profile picture and thought I was cute. So it worked. I also thought that we were already friends. And so you recognized that. Well, I didn't actually think about you like deleting me and re-adding me like that. Never went through my head. But I was like, oh, I thought we were already friends. Because I remember your profile picture. You already knew.

That's cute. Yeah. I mean, look at you. How could I forget? That's sweet. And then how soon after that were you like officially dating? So from the time that we did the Facebook thing, we started dating in like summertime. So it was like we finished eighth grade and it was summertime. We started dating. And so we went through high school. We were high school sweethearts. Wow. That's crazy. And here we are 10 years later. Holy crap. Did you guys ever break up in there? No.

Yeah. I mean, like, a couple breaks for, like, a few days or a week. Literally, like, a few days. A week at the most. And we still talked, like, every day during those times. So, really, no. You know, it's just, like, we couldn't consider a time of, like, a real breakup. No. Just silly things. I mean, we were so young, so there were so many petty things. We were immature. We literally grew up together, basically. Dang.

And I thought we grew up together. I mean, dating at 13 or 14? I was 14, technically. He had just turned 14, right? Yeah, and I was still 13. Well, a few months. Okay. Basically. I'm only like four or five months older than her. Were you guys ever in relationships before each other? I mean, I guess if you're like 13. Not serious. I mean, yes, but not like serious relationships. Yeah, like I feel like it's.

I don't even feel like they really count. Those don't really count, yeah. We had actually never kissed anybody. We've never kissed anybody else. Other than each other? But just each other. That's so sweet. Other than, like, for me, like, one time in Truth or Dare when I was 13, I kissed a girl. But, like, I don't really count that. Well, technically, we did kiss people for shows. Oh, for shows. That doesn't count. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, we had a... Like, I...

And being so young, sorry, mom and dad. Um, it like little pecs. Like I had a few of those, but I feel like, again, like I feel like it don't really count. Yeah. I don't know.

I don't want to overstep here, but did you guys wait until marriage? We did. That's crazy. And so you were together from 13 and 14, and then you got married at 19. It was five years. You were both 19? We counted. Wait, whoa. Yep. Freaking heck. Dude, that was the hardest thing. That's insane. That was the most disciplined thing we ever had to do. Oh, for sure. Obviously, we were human. There was temptation there, and that was what was the hardest, was to...

I mean, once you wait so long, you're like, we might as well keep waiting. Yeah. Yeah, because it got really hard, especially after we graduated high school. And we started in that. Knowing we were going to get married. Right. We knew we were going to get married. Once we were engaged, we knew we were going to get married. Yeah.

We were alone together a lot more often. That is when it was like really hard not to. But since, like she said, like we've already waited four years. Yeah. So why would we do it now? Right. And you know what I mean? When we only have eight months or a year. Yeah. How long was your engagement?

A year and a half. Holy freak, dude. I thought ours was bad. What was yours? 13 months. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Do not recommend it. No, no, no, no, no. But we didn't really have a choice because we paid for our wedding. We had a majority of our wedding. Um,

On our own. And we were 18, 19. You were 19. 19. 18, 19. So how quickly after graduation then was that? We graduated in May. I told him I wanted to wait until I was 18. For some reason, I just wanted to be 18. It seemed like a better number to be engaged. Well, don't you have to be legally? She has a late birthday. She has a late birthday. That's why she's saying that. Oh, to get engaged? Oh, yeah. To be married. Oh. Maybe not in Alabama. Well, I think you. Yeah, maybe not. I don't know. I don't know.

That's so wild. Yeah. Because, like, obviously we were together and we knew we were going to be married then, but to, like, actually be married at that age. Yeah. I know. Was that common where you guys were or? So, I feel like it is more common in the South versus other states. Mm-hmm.

A lot of our friends got married young. Really? And started having families young. Not necessarily as young as we were. Right. But 21, 22. In the early 20s. Yeah. So we got engaged right when I turned 18. And then a year and a half. So we were both 19 when we got married. We got engaged in August. Right.

We graduated in May, got engaged in August, and got married the next December. Wow. So you're almost a year and a half. That's so funny. It's funny that it's common in the South because where we're from, us getting engaged at 19 and 20 and married at 20 and 21, people thought we were crazy. Well, not crazy. No. Because I feel like if we were in California or something, people would have been like, y'all are crazy.

radical. But like nobody did that. Our friends weren't even in like relationships when we were married. So y'all were rare. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. And it's just funny that you guys from the South, like getting married young was more common. And then our friends in Utah, that's like more common there too. Oh really? Yeah. Did y'all get a lot of hate, like backlash from it? No. But I think I was like, it was mainly like I was in my head cause I was like, I want to be taken seriously, but I'm only 20 and I'm getting engaged. And we didn't want people to think we were like,

What's the word? Irrational? Yeah, or reckless or making a poor decision. Like just like so infatuated that we just don't want to get married and like over romanticize it. And we were together three years and I was like, I was honestly ready to get married after two. Sweet. Yeah. So was the wedding, wedding night just the best ever? Yeah. Oh yeah. Five years, I mean, come on. And it was more like, okay,

Physically, honestly, because it was the first, there was just a lot of things that we had to learn, you know? Yeah. But, like, emotionally, like, I think I cried. Aw.

Because it was more of just a connection thing. And we're like, I can't believe this is actually happening. And just like honestly sleeping together and cuddling was the best thing ever. Oh, that's so sweet. I remember like waking up in the morning and just be like, we're laying next to each other. Like it was just really sweet. Yes, that is so sweet. Because I do feel like people talk. Y'all waited, right? Yeah. Yeah, we waited. I feel like people make it sound so weird. Yeah. But it can actually be like...

What? Bless you. That was a cough. Bless you. It's fine. I just thought that was funny. I don't know why. But I feel like people make it sound so weird, but it's actually so romantic. Yes. From people that have experienced it. Right. Yes. Yeah. But... I do want to say, though, don't take it... We did get a lot of backlash or hate. Not hate, but we got a lot of controversy, I guess, from our friends...

When we did get engaged and we were getting married so young. Not our close friends. Not our close friends, but. The community was small. Right. We live in a small town. So there was a lot of like, are you sure? You know, so. People try and talk us out of it. It's not just like super widely accepted. It's more common. But like I said, we were still pretty, because I mean, we had just graduated and got engaged. Yeah.

Right. You know what I mean? But I will, I feel like we were almost like the start of it in a way. Yeah. Of the young, but I mean to us. Right. It's probably always happened. Yeah. Well, I think it's really cool too that you guys were like working so hard towards marriage and you both do come from like divorced households. Yeah. So it's like you still like prioritize that and like you have such a healthy marriage right now. Like I think that's really amazing. Yeah. Thanks. That's so sweet. Yeah. Yeah.

And that's like, I mean, a lot of people, you know, just assume, oh, if you get married young, you're going to, you'll be divorced in a few years or whatever. But honestly, like with my parents being divorced, I mean, they divorced when I was two years old. So I don't know any differently, but there's things that I've learned that I think that's why I was so ready to get married because...

I learned things along the way and I just wanted it to be different than what I grew up knowing, you know? Yeah. And so it's almost like the odds are against us, but that makes it even more of just like exciting to take on this adventure. Yeah. Reason to fight for it. Yes. Reason to fight for it for sure. What was the timeline between marriage and then having Ivy? Three years. Three years. Okay. That's what we did too. Do you feel like that was like a good number?

of marriage before him? Yeah, I would say, I mean, I think you at least want two years of no kids and no pregnancy just because like that's a special time and you want to enjoy that and you can never get that back. Yeah. Which is kind of sad. Like, I mean, having kids is so much fun, but it does kind of stink that,

there's no pausing it, right? It's not like you can just say, pause, okay, let's spend a week together and just have husband and wife time. Nope, that doesn't exist. I guess you could go on a trip and have your parents watch your kids for you, but that's pretty rare and it doesn't happen all the time. There's a lot that changes when you have kids, right? Yeah, he's in such a needy phase right now. It's like right now, at times, I'll be honest, I over-romanticize...

our childless years where I'm like, man, we could just travel and just hike long hikes. And I didn't have to plan my days around naps and feeding. So relatable. Yes, I know. Oh, definitely. And we have those conversations all the time too. It's like we don't regret having her young or when we did. Like we feel like three years was such a good number. But there's still – especially when we're really overwhelmed, we're like, dang. Because when you do have a child, that is such a big responsibility that –

you there's never just you two anymore you know there is that yeah baby and so um obviously wouldn't change it love it but i totally get that like like remember whenever we just could go to sleep whenever and wake up whenever and have a full night's of sleep and i know i was i literally like i was so much more fun honestly like now i'm just like oh that sounds like a lot of work you know like i'm freaking

I'm freaking 24. And it kind of sucks now. Like there's been some trips that I like really looked forward to and they just weren't fun vacations because like we were so busy taking care of Griffin, which I love the kid to death, but it really does change travel. You die to yourself. You have to change everything. Everything. Yeah. And honestly, it's nice. Like we, on one of the trips we took, my mom came along and like, that was huge. Like we actually were able to have time just us.

And even though Abby was breastfeeding, it was just nice that we would have like two hour windows where it was just me and Abby and we didn't have to worry about taking care of Griffin, which is really helpful. Yeah. We've taken some trips. We've taken, we've asked people to come with us to just be able to be an extra set of hands. And then so we could have like a few hours alone or whatever. So yeah.

So after you had IV, I remember you telling me that you kind of like stayed home a lot and you were like transitioning. You didn't want to get out as much or travel. Kind of like what was your experience postpartum with IV? Yeah, that was rough.

Leading up to pregnancy, I found out during whenever 25 weeks when you take that sugar glucose test. Yeah, something like that. I got diagnosed with gestational diabetes, which is actually common in pregnancy. Yeah, very common. Were you having symptoms before you took the test? Yes. Now looking back, absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. But I was also told during that time that they didn't think that it was just gestational diabetes. They were like, we are prenatal.

are pretty positive that you're a type 1 diabetic or type 2 diabetic. It was always just kind of iffy, but they were like, we're pretty sure you were undiagnosed diabetic. And so looking back on life, it does kind of make sense. But still, it set the tone for, I was just, I feel like I got depression during the third trimester because it was just a new learning curve and

Changed your diet completely. Everything, yes. And so it just made me start worrying even more about delivery because there was just a lot of unknowns and whatnot. And then what life would look like afterward. But also, we got pregnant during the pandemic. Oh, yeah. And so there was just that dark cloud of, like, you don't want to go anywhere. You...

Was he able to be in the delivery room? Yes. Oh, that's good. There was still restrictions, so my mom, thankfully, was able to be there, too. Like, the week before we had Ivy, they changed it to two people in the delivery room. Oh, wow. Yeah. So, Devin's mom was there, too. So, I'm so glad that happened. Yeah. But, so, after, I was so just very, I was very uptight about the paperwork.

can I say that one here? The pandemic? Yeah. Yeah. The C word. Yeah. Okay. So I was like, I do not want anybody to come to our house. I do not. Yeah. I was so paranoid. And obviously we allowed like close family and friends to come. But so I'm saying all that to say, like, I think I set it up to where I just felt very isolated and I didn't allow people to like

be around as much as I would have now. Um, and so it's naturally like a big warrior about anything and everything. I wouldn't have guessed that about you. No, it's always the happy people. Like, I feel like a lot of the people that are super joyful and happy, like struggle with anxiety, like just from talking to other people. And Matt, you've talked,

You said you've struggled with anxiety before too. Yeah. And people are shocked when I say it. So same. And so I always struggled with anxiety, but I was never, I never like. Wait, what? You struggled with anxiety too? Yes. No way. Yeah. No way. Seriously? I'm actually on medication for it. What? Okay. Now I need to like, that inspires me. Like I need to go talk to somebody. Yes. No, absolutely. A hundred percent. And I was so against it for the longest time. I was like, no, I don't need medication. And especially like.

We are very faith-filled people, and so we're always taught, no, you depend on that to help your anxiety and stuff. But anyways, that's a whole different story. So I finally got help, and medicine is...

very helpful. Yeah. So, literally, I think two weeks after I had Ivy, they do that little survey. Did you have to do a survey when you went to the doctor? Yeah, I did like a few of them. Yeah, and they ask you about your mental health, basically. And so, I was actually scared to answer the questions, honestly, because I'm like, are they going to take her away and think I'm like unequipped to be a mom? Yeah.

But somebody had told me. That just shows your anxiety in that moment too though. Because I didn't. Yes. But somebody told me they were like, answer honestly. They're not going to take your kid away. Oh, really? Yeah. And so I did. And the lady called me the next day. And she was just so sweet. And she was like, Devin, are you depressed? And I just like cried on the phone with her. And I was like, I think so. But I had never like thought I could be depressed. You know, I always knew it could happen to other people.

but I didn't ever know how to like identify myself with that I guess and so

That really was like a life-changing moment for me because she was like, it's okay. This is normal. Like your hormones, like all that. And then they set me up to go talk to somebody and then they put me on medicine and that really helped with my anxiety, um, depression. And that I would say like, wouldn't you say that like was life-changing? Oh yeah, definitely. And just for the record, like growing up and I have like,

somewhat of a medical background to me too so I never really understood like when people said they have anxiety like my I don't I don't have anxiety at all like honestly like the longer I'm around her and with her like I think I'm like developing some anxiety about like certain small things you know but overall I just like could really care couldn't care less about pretty much anything um

That's so hot. So he's a mood. I mean, just kind of what, you know, it is what it is.

And my mentality about it forever was just kind of get over it. It is what it is. It's life. What are you going to do about it? I feel like a lot of people probably have that mentality. Don't struggle with it. And I'm not saying that's right. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying it took me being honestly married to her for two or three years. Forget about all the dating. Married to her. Living with her daily. Yeah.

Yeah. To like really understand that this is like a legitimate like mental health issue that people have. Like literally. I was going to ask what that was like as her husband like going through that time with her. Yeah. And this was, I started coming to that realization before Ivy.

So maybe, I guess I would say two years into our marriage when I started like really believing that this is an issue that is legit that people have. And it got worse after we had Ivy. Yeah. And then it got like a hundred times worse, which thankfully I realized that it was a real problem before that. And you were, he was so great. Like he honestly, like he just stepped in and it's like, he realized that instead of just being like, you know,

kind of get over it attitude he was just like what can I do how are you feeling he was very more unwilling to adapt or learn more about

about it to help me and um he could see a difference when i started medication that he was like okay this is really helping her yeah which helped us um because i just didn't feel like myself like i felt almost like numb to the idea of like being a mom and stuff i'm like i know i'm a mom i'm doing i'm going through the motions of being a new mom but honestly like i couldn't feel anything you

You know? Yeah. And so that was pretty scary. Yeah. And so that's why I was excited to start medication, honestly. And then it took about a few weeks. And then I was like, okay, I'm starting to feel happy again. Yeah. And better. And... I'll tell you this. I would not want her to stop taking it.

Wow. Definitely not. Yeah. It's amazing you saying how you had that mentality of like, just get over it. Cause that's what I had in high school and it made it like 10 times worse. Like you told yourself like, just get over it. I was like, I'm tough. Like I'm not, I'm not wussy. Like I can, I can push through this. Like I'm confident. And then it's just like, I just got this crippling anxiety to where like I would go to bed at night and there'd be, it felt like there was like

a car on top of my chest. Like it was just like so much pressure. And I like, I was almost like not able to breathe. It was like freaky. It wasn't, I never like had a panic attack, I would say, but like, it's crazy how just trying to muscle through it is almost like the worst thing you can do. Yes. It's like you're straining your muscles because you're trying to fight through it. Yeah. So what about you, Abby? Like, did y'all, how did, when did you, same questions. So after I had Griffin, um,

Okay, well, like, immediately after he was born, I almost felt guilty about this. But, like, I did not feel, like, that immediate, like, motherly thing. And I think it was until, like, recently I realized, like, I feel like I was kind of just, like...

I think I was just shocked from like the whole birth experience for the first like and then I was getting stitched up for like 40 minutes. I didn't even get to hold him for so long. And I feel like that kind of like affected like my initial bond, like that moment that I had waited for and like tried to imagine for nine months and even well before that. Yes. Was like not at all what I pictured. And then I feel like I just kind of like didn't have emotions anymore.

And the next day, the emotions hit me like a truck. Oh, gosh. Imagine, remember that? I mean, I had like the most swollen eyes because I could do nothing but cry. Yeah. But I didn't necessarily feel sad. Right. I just didn't know what was wrong. Like, I just like couldn't stop crying. But thankfully, my mom was there. And I didn't tell her when she came to the house. Because, I mean, the nights were just us. But she would come during the day. Okay. I didn't tell her about things she could tell because my eyes were so puffy. She was like, Abby, just so you know, like...

I like wanted nothing more to be a mom but those first days like I would just get these blues and I would be really sad and like your dad remembers it too and like he walked me through it and like we got through it she's like just don't like don't feel like you need to bottle up and so she prepared me really well for all that and like walked me through that so I definitely consider like I got baby blues and it continued for like the first almost like month because like it

I remember it was every day at sunset. I don't know why, like a certain time would trigger me being like really, really sad. I remember it was, Griffin had been alive for one week, like alive on this earth for one week and your family was at our house and we wanted to go to like a lookout point with him. Yes.

And I was – it was like anxiety and sadness too because I was like, how am I going to get out of the house with my baby? Like I don't know like if he's going to need to eat. Is he going to like his car seat? Like I was like, how are we going to get out of the house? Like there's no way we can get out of the house right now. And then I was like really, really sad because I'm like, how am I ever going to do anything in my life? And then this just sadness would like overwhelm me like when it started to get dark out. But I consider it baby blues and not necessarily depression because it was –

It would come and go so much. And then by a month, it never came back. That's so good. Baby blues are so real, though. It's so sad. It is. Because you want to be a mom. You look forward to it so much. You're like, why? Right. I know. And I feel like, because mine started with baby blues. And then...

I don't even know. I think because I never got out of the house, I literally was a hermit. We were hermits. And I feel like that is something I would do different now is like get out. And that would help. I did that a lot because that helps me like to kind of get out of the house. But then I got a lot of backlash. Remember that?

Especially on TikTok. They were like, you need to take care of your baby. Do not take him out of the house. You need to take care of yourself. They were like blaming Matt for like forcing me to do stuff. But like taking care of yourself was getting out of the house. Taking care of myself was getting out of the house. And it was good for her mental health too. For sure. People on TikTok were like, wow, your husband's like making you get out of the house. And it's like Abby literally had a conversation with me where she was like, I need to get out of the house more.

And I'm like, oh, shoot. Okay. So like anytime she was like really down, I was just trying to see, hey, you want to go get coffee? Like, hey, can we go do this? Can we go do that? I would just go on drives to McDonald's sometimes to get a tea. Because I was like, I just need to get out of the house. Get out of the house. And honestly, I needed to get away from the baby for just a little bit and just be like, okay.

this is what silence is. Right. This is what, like, I'm going to listen to my podcast because I like to do this before I had my baby. Right. And I'm the same person now, just I'm a little different. Right. And that's what we talked about too. It's your, you have to learn the new you. Yes. So it's like, you're not a different person, you're just new. And so that is, like, I had to reintroduce myself and that, having that mental shift versus, like, just being sad that I no longer can, like,

Like you said, you're still the same you, so do things you enjoy to do. I wish I did that right after. And then somebody had told me, they're like, just learn you again. And I'm like, that's so sweet. Here's one thing I'll say. We were talking about this with somebody the other day, and I don't remember who it was, but...

Instead of adapting the baby into our lifestyle, we adapted to the baby's lifestyle. Which, yeah. Which... Was hard. It makes it a thousand times more difficult. Oh, you think? Yeah. Oh, definitely. Because we were like... What you're saying about too worried about going places and doing things, that was us. You know?

all the time and we never got over that until we did but I'm just saying it took a lot longer to get to that point to where we're like okay we can do this we can go out you know we can go

go out to eat. We can do this or that, blah, blah, blah. And deal with the problems when they arise. You know what I'm saying? And I will say off of that, like I admire y'all so much. And whenever y'all had Griffin, like I was like, I want to do that next time. So I admired y'all being able to like seeing y'all get out and about with him and doing exactly what he said, the opposite of what we did instead of, you know,

How did you word that? Not going with his routine. Yes, baby's routine. You want to adapt the baby to your lifestyle. I admire that so much. Y'all just take him and go. He's so chill.

You know, he's like the best travel buddy. Thank you. It's funny you say that. Like we definitely wanted to exactly do what you just said is adapt Griffin to our schedule. But what's funny though is I think we were a little too optimistic thinking that like, oh, this whole like schedule thing, like pshh,

He doesn't need any schedule. Like we learned, we learned the hard way. Like, no, like babies do need a schedule and there are like nap times that are needed and you got to follow like a method of some sort to make sure they're getting the sleep they need and like staying on that schedule. And like maybe the naps can be in the car, the baby carrier.

Yeah, you could be on a hike. But we have to follow that pattern for sure. 100%. You could literally be hiking and they like sleep on your chest, right? But it's just making sure that all that is built into a more flexible schedule. And we quickly learned that. Yeah. Yeah. I do. We were very routine people too with Ivy. Which I think now we are –

Once we got out of that, probably honestly once Devin's medication fully kicked in and we kind of grew out of that phase, we're completely different people now than we were before. Really? 100%. We're very spontaneous. And all of our friends where we live that we hang out with regularly will tell you that. 100%. Wow. So at the time though, you were still a firefighter. Right. So talk about your experience as a firefighter. I love

I know. They're so fun. They're so epic. Like, you literally delivered babies. Yeah. Two babies. Two babies. What was that like? I delivered two babies. What really, honestly, one, mostly, I was kind of, I was really new the first one we did. But I was there and helping, you know.

But yeah, it's crazy. And this was before Devin had the baby. Yeah, the first one was before. The second one was after. So, yeah. What were you thinking? Were you just like... The first one, I really had no idea. Because I had just started. Like, I haven't been online, which is what we call like on shift. Oh, okay. I had been working at the fire department for like six months going through school and everything. But I hadn't been on shift for like what? Less than a month. Yeah. Probably. And so, we go and...

And it was like one of the worst like birth stories that you'll ever hear, honestly. Wait, was the baby okay? He ends up, yeah, he ended up being fine. But like the parents don't have custody of him anymore. Like it was a really whole bad situation between the baby and just everything was awful. Gosh. So yeah, that was wild.

I can't believe that you literally have just gone into burning buildings and like been around, uh, I don't know, gunshot like victims and just, you've seen a lot, dude. Like from the little bit we've talked about you being a firefighter, like, Holy crap. Like you've seen the most. Have you seen dead bodies? Yeah. That's insane. Like, like legit dead people. Yeah. Like that's like nothing. Exactly. I wouldn't even know what to do, dude. Like, ah,

I don't know, man. That's a lot. That's a heavy burden to have. It is. Trying to save people. Oh my goodness. See, he's like, it can be. I mean, it can be, but to like, you have to have a, you have to have the mentality and the people that, and I'm not, I like,

I don't know how to say this without sounding like bad, but the people that have a bad mentality about it are the people that struggle with mental health problems from seeing everything. You know what I'm saying? So you either have to have the mentality to where it doesn't bother you or you have to learn to let it not bother you. Yeah. Or it's going to. But they do have help on staff. Yeah. Counseling and all that for those situations. Yeah. And especially like...

At least where I worked and I'm sure most departments, whether it's police, fire, EMS or whatever, they have people on staff or have connections with somebody that could get you like...

you know, mental health or counseling. Right. That's pretty quickly if you needed it. Yeah. But, but the problem is for most guys, like admitting that you need the help, you know, that's a big like stigma. Oh really? Oh yeah. So you want to be like all rough and tough and like, Oh, I'm not, I'm not phased by this. Like I'm, I'm helping people and doing good, but I can, I can take it. I don't need it. I don't need to go to counseling to talk about, you know, the person that I saw. Right. Mostly. I'm not speaking for everybody, but yeah.

The typical, you know, first responder, military, you know, guy. Yeah, that's the mentality. Wow. It's interesting how, like, a lot of times as men, like, we feel the need to bottle up all these emotions. Hide your emotions, yeah. Yeah, not talk about them. And I read a statistic the other day about how, like, men are more likely to commit suicide because, like, we don't talk about our emotions as much and women are...

on average are able to just talk through those with, um, those emotions with other women. And, um, that's just, it's, it's crazy that I don't know, a lot of guys feel the need to hide all that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. It's, um,

So your shifts as a firefighter were like two days long. One. Oh, it was 24 hours. 24 hours on, 48 hours off. Yeah. And so then you had 24 hours along with the baby. Mm-hmm. Wow. Which would be really hard. Gosh. Yeah. And so that obviously didn't help the way I was feeling. Mm-hmm.

Thankfully, my mom stayed with us. Hunter did get like a whole month off of me. Yeah, I was off for like the first month. Amazing. But by four weeks, I was still. Oh, yeah. My mom stayed. So my mom stayed another month. Like the month after he went back, stayed and the nights he was gone. So that was a huge help. I remember whenever her month was up and I was like, oh, you just, you can move in. Like, please. No.

So, but I got used to it, you know? It's an adjustment. I mean, I would even be willing to say like as close as we are.

that it was an adjustment for you for to me for me to be home every day and to not go to work because like you get used to that time I'm sure by yourself and then you lose that you know and that's an adjustment like I I was used to my time by myself or mostly pretty much with my guy friends at work and that was a big worry that I had like when I was quitting is that I would lose that like

You know what I'm saying? That's still fresh, too, right? Because you just quit. What was it? How many months ago? What? Four months. When was it? October the 8th was my last shift. So a little over four months. Quit your job to do TikToks. Yep. Here we are. Are your parents proud? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. They're just proud of you regardless. They're proud. Yeah. My parents are the kind of parents that are proud of me regardless. But I know they worry.

Yeah. I feel like a lot of, even my parents, I think just it's a, I mean, TikTok, you say, oh, I'm putting my firefighter job to do social media. People are like, what? Especially because like me being a firefighter, you know, you, it's a good job, right? I mean. Great benefits. Yeah. Yeah.

Everybody likes firefighters for the most part. It was almost like a pride thing. I know what Matt's about to say. Oh, sorry. And then you have the benefits. You know what I'm saying? Like the pay's decent. I gotta hear what he's gonna say. You have a decent amount of time off. You got the retirement. Yeah. Like a stable. Abby's always told me that firefighters are the hottest profession. I said it. And I said it. And that we're thinking it. Okay, but have you seen some of the firefighters?

Are you just comparing them to the firefighters you see in movies? I'm thinking about movies. Yeah. Reality versus Instagram. I'm thinking about the movies, but then also just like the fact of like saving lives. Like, that's like a hero. Oh, it is. It's a hero. I remember when I was in a car accident one time and there was firefighters all around me and they could have been just, I mean, no...

Just the ugly. I was about to say the ugliest creature or whatever. That sounds so mean. But to me, it was like heroes, you know, just being rescued. And I don't know.

I don't know what they really looked like, but I was... You like romanticizing your mom? Yes, I romanticized it. And I remember that day I didn't shake my legs, and I was like, oh, heavens, they're seeing my leg hair. Keep in mind, Devin's like 15. Yeah, I was 15. That's funny. Wait, Abby, does that not translate to police officers, too? Like, why just firefighters? I just... With firefighters, I just picture them, like, carrying a baby out of a burning... Oh, yeah. With a baby. With a match on their face. Yes. Oh, my God. Big muscles. Yeah. Yeah.

The uniform taking the big helmet off. I remember you would have thought I was jumping up and down like, yeah, quit, quit, quit. But honestly, like I was like, are you sure? And I remember I was so excited for him to be home with me. But at the same time, it was a pride thing for me. I loved being able to say that my husband was a firefighter, you know? Yeah. And it was just like a I got the title of a firefighter wife. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a pride thing, too. Like.

It's hard because I still identify with that and I know...

All the stuff there is to know about it. And so I still want to put myself into that category. When... It's not like I worked 20 or 25 years and retired. You know what I'm saying? I worked four years and that was it. And I quit and I'm done. So I feel like I don't really belong in the category anymore. You know what I mean? You still feel like a firefighter to me. Yeah. And that'll probably wear off eventually. So it's hard for me to not have that...

That mentality, like, especially when I see other people like that or like somebody messaged me on Instagram the other day, like wanting me to send wanting to send me some fire department stickers. And he was like, he messaged me. He's like, hey, man, I just realized that you are like following us, blah, blah, blah. Like, I'd love to send you some stickers. And I'm like, all right. I'm like, not sure if you know, but I don't actually work at the fire department anymore, but I'd still love to have some stickers. Yeah, yeah.

Because I just feel bad. I'm like, I don't want to feel like I'm taking advantage of the... Because it is like a pride thing. It's like a community. It is a community. And pretty much all first responder. And it's like the first responder, military kind of community where it's like a pride thing to be involved in that. And there's other professions like that, too. Don't get me wrong. How did the other guys in your department react to your transition to...

It's, I don't know, 50-50 probably. Like the guys on my crew, I'm sure they probably... Yeah, the guys on my crew were my buddies, you know.

When you're with somebody for that amount of time, you know what I'm saying? Because, I mean, it's every third day for 24 hours at least. You got to think about, you know, you get up, you get there early. Like, if you work at a fire department, if you're not, like, 30 minutes early, you're late. You know what I'm saying? Whoa. Yeah. We would be screwed. Yeah, like, my shift started at 7 and I got there at 6.30 every day.

And then if you catch a late call or something, you may not get off. I mean, you may actually be there. No telling how long, honestly. If you're out of fire, when it's time to get off shift. But anyways, what I'm saying is if you spend a third of your life basically with these guys... You become family. Yeah, you become family. And that's pretty much what it is, is your second family. So that's what I miss about it most. Especially my crew that I had when I quit, but...

We pretty much... They all pretty much got busted up at the end of the year. So I wouldn't really be with them anyway, which makes me feel better about it. And you're not missing out on something. So doing the social media thing, you guys started on TikTok, YouTube. Like, where did that start first for you guys? Yeah. So we actually... When I was pregnant, I was like, this is the perfect time to start YouTube because I always wanted to do it. I was always...

I just never thought it was obtainable. Like, I mean, not me, you know? Yeah. Anyway, so I wasn't working, and I was like seven months pregnant or whatever. I don't even remember. So I started filming YouTube on my phone. We were actually on our anniversary trip. Babymoon. Babymoon. What? And so I started filming, and I was editing them on my iPhone, on iMovie. And, I mean, we gained like 100 subscribers, and it was probably just my family and friends. Yeah.

But it was still, it felt so good, you know? Yeah. And then we had Ivy and at that point. We made like a few videos. Like it wasn't consistent. Right. Like we would make like a video or two a month. Yeah. Kind of thing. But it wasn't until I kind of like got over it. I was like, this is never going to like happen for us again.

Because I originally did it to document our pregnancy, but with the hopes in mind that it becomes something and we could do something with it financially. And so anyways, I posted our birth vlog. And then that gained some traction. I was like, okay. And it kind of gave me motivation again. And then from there, I actually watched one of y'all's videos, one of your TikTok videos. And it was showing how y'all did YouTube nine months, then started TikTok, and then

TikTok got you where you're at. Sorry, I just bumped the camera. And so anyway, that I was like, okay, Hunter, I'm going to download TikTok. And so I downloaded TikTok. I started doing mom content stuff. Nothing like what we're doing now. A lot of like lip syncing videos. And then so for a few months, I gained like 25,000 followers on my own. Wow.

January of last year, Hunter filmed my reaction to shaving his mustache. Those glory mustache videos. Yeah.

Which it was like super random. I mean. So random. I mean, I used to film her all the time, like messing with her, pranking her, you know, but we never posted it. But for whatever reason, I filmed it. Yeah. And that because that was so not our content. No. But I don't think I didn't film it with the intention of posting. No. Yeah. Exactly. She was just like, I'm going to post this on TikTok. Right. Because I was like, maybe. Because at that point I was like, I'm not going to. I didn't feel like we were growing anymore. Right. And then we blew up. Wow.

And then we gained a million followers in a month. That's unreal. A million in one month? I couldn't believe it. I felt like we were just like thrown into it. I mean, there were days that we would get almost 200K in 24 hours. It's because your personality is like so infectious. Oh, that's so nice. You're literally, she's a cartoon character in real life.

life. That's true. She's so animated. I'm very animated. The things you say and do, I wish I could mimic it. What were you saying earlier? You were like, so fancy. But the way you sound

I'm trying. That was good. That was pretty good. That was a good impersonation. But also, like, Hunter is so funny, too. I feel like Hunter has a really dry sense of humor. It works. And you guys contrast each other. Well, yes. It's hilarious. Devin and I, people don't realize that Devin and I are, could literally probably not be any more of opposites. But you do have such a goofy personality, too, when it's just me and you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And, like, around, like, our friends, like, you open up a lot more. I just mean our, like, base personalities. Yes.

Probably. Totally on opposite scale. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Yeah. And it's funny because people say me and Matt are similar and then you and Hunter are similar. I would say you're a lot nicer than Hunter. It's funny though. No, I'm not.

With a lot of our friends, like, typically I'm more like the wife and Abby's more like the husband. That is so funny. Like, seriously. Yeah. It's crazy that happens. I think it's funny, though, because it makes your comedy gold because you're just so bubbly and your humor's so dry. But that's what gets you misunderstood online. Yeah. And then people are hating on you. He's the villain. Yeah. But he tells me, he's like, people aren't here to see you.

Me. They're there to see you. And I'm like, I am not Devin without Hunter. You know? Like, Devin can't be Devin without Hunter behind the camera. And just, like, in everyday life. Yeah. But I hate that he's so misunderstood. Because he is so dry and stuff. But, I mean, y'all get the luxury of, like, seeing...

Being around Hunter more than just like... Like, you're hilarious. Well, I was always, like, really shy as a kid. Really? And I still am. Like, I don't really talk to people. Devon will tell you. I don't talk to people unless I know the person. Like, I do not, like, strike up. Like, yesterday when we went to the lookout and you just started talking to this random dude. Oh, yeah. He does that everywhere. I don't know if you noticed, but, like, I didn't say a single word to the guy. Really? Yeah, like, I just don't talk to...

I don't know. And I grew up, my dad is like that. My dad will talk to anybody and everybody about everything under the sun. And I'm the polar opposite. And I don't know why, where or where I got that from. Is it so weird, is it so odd that TikTok is paying your bills? Yeah.

Yes. And you guys just bought a new house, right? Yes. Is there a pool at that house? There's a pool. There's a pool. Is it finished? Yes. No way. So that's why y'all have to come to Alabama during the summer and stay with us. Oh my gosh. We're in. Yeah, you guys really should come. Y'all need to. That'd be a blast. Yeah. Can we have some bold peanuts? Yes. 100%. Yes, for sure. And I will say the house, like we were already getting the house before TikTok, but it's

It just helped me be able to decorate the house. Yeah, the house is going to be like... And buy the appliances I wanted. Yeah, the house is going to be like super bare bones.

Because we were just at the time based on my firefighter salary, which I was working like loads of overtime. Yeah. Which you were staying at home. Yeah. But anyway, but yeah, now we got to spruce it up a little bit thanks to the Tic Tacs. Yeah. It's so crazy that we're in this social media world now. I just can't believe I'm... It still blows my mind. Like, we're great friends now, so it feels so normal. But I'm still just like, I can't believe we're still friends. She says this all the time. I do. I'm like, I just... She's like, I cannot believe we're friends with Matt and Abby. Like...

And not just friends, but like really close friends. Right. Yeah. And that is so cool to me. I think. It's just so. Because you're so great. You're just awesome. People watching probably have no idea how like close we might be. Right. Because like we don't necessarily make a lot of videos together. Right. Right. I think it's just because we have so much fun. Yeah. We literally don't even think about it. And I'm like. Yeah. Shoot. We like think about it.

- I think about video ideas a lot. Like we should film this. - We should do that and then we just don't get around to it. - We just hang out. - And what I love is we're friends first. Like we weren't collabing or anything. We hung out before we ever even made videos together. And a lot of creators will just collab. Like it's a good business move. It pushes their content and then the other creator's content and they go their separate ways and they never talk to each other, right? And that's fine. Like creators can do that. But like we were friends first and I love that and I love how genuine you guys are.

And look, like there are luckily a lot of really good, kind, genuine creators out there. But Abby and I have like learned over the past couple of months that's not like as common as we once thought. Hey, can I just interject really quick? Yeah. I just want to say that it's not Dal and Bella. Oh my gosh. We love them so much and there's been some speculation that we don't love them or

them or something like that. Oh my gosh. Yeah. People were like making TikToks of our podcast saying that like we, like taking us out of context saying that we didn't like down the bell. We love our friends down the bell. They're such great. We also love down the bell. They're great. Genuine people. Like seriously, so genuine, so kind. And we're gonna have to have them on the podcast. Yeah. We'll talk more about them later, but I just want to clear that up. We love them very much. The best people in the world.

They really are like some of the nicest people I've ever met. Yes. But with some recent hate that I got on TikTok two months ago, which like really, really sucked. It hit me harder than it probably should have. But it really opened my eyes to like how hateful some people can be online and how other creators will jump on your downfall just to get some clout and just to get some quick views. And I love that you guys are not that way at all. And I know for a fact that you would never do that. Like,

Um, there, there's people that just, they don't care. It's like, oh, I can get some views off of like, uh, you know, jumping over this person's downfall. Cool. I'll, I'll make a video and it'll hurt my friend, but it'll help me get more views. People do that on social media all the time. It's so sad to get blinded by the views and like the sudden fame. Yeah. I'm sorry that y'all had to.

Walk through that and that. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. I mean, what stinks is it's not like an if. It's more of a when for creators because getting canceled just happens all the time. Right, yeah. I guess that's something we could talk about really quick was how you guys deal with hate because I remember you texted me

Probably about a year ago, you were like asking how, I was like, how do you handle the hate comments? And I remember you said, honestly, like I said, as it is, you get numb to it. And that is so true. You just, after reading things about yourself for so long, you literally forget that they're talking about you in a way, you know?

You're exactly right. And so, I mean, obviously if you're having a bad day and if I read it on the bad day, I'm like, I'm done. Or if they say just the right thing. Yes. Especially, and we related about this, being a mom. Like, that is one of the worst comments somebody can make.

is about if you're being a bad mom or not. And because I take pride in being a mom, and I know you do too, and so when somebody just like says something about just the way you parent or the way you, you know, it just, those comments sting a little bit, and I can get over the rest. But other than that, I mean, you get used to it, and Hunter is very...

good encourager he's like we don't know them you know and it does not matter what random people say you know at the end of the day and there's so many much more good out there than the bad and so I have to like remember that there's so many more people that love us than hate us and dude

doing it for them, you know? I truly believe if people, like, actually knew you guys in person, like, no one would say one bad thing. Especially, I mean, you guys as parents, you guys are the sweetest. You guys should hear the way they talk to Ivy. We are so nice. And not to expose you guys, but, like, Ivy's in the tub in the sink, and then you guys just both come up individually, separately, and just be like, you are the prettiest thing I've ever seen. Sweet. It's just, like,

Like constantly. Like Ivy's going to have a huge ego. She probably will. Maybe I should start telling her she's something else. No, she's one. It's like it's totally fine. Yeah. You also follow through as parents really well. You don't just like indulge her. We try. And we're not perfect at all. And there's times to like

And force things. And there's times that they're not. We talked about it briefly today. Right. Yeah. Just give her the sucker. Yeah. Just give her the sucker. And you know. It's alright. We don't want to ruin other people's day. On an airplane. For five and a half hours. Yeah.

You're going to tell us that story? Should we tell that story? Let's not tell that story. Ivy found a pink sucker in my room also. And as soon as her eyes locked on this big pink lollipop, I was like, I know exactly what's going through her head. Did she come up to you and ask you for it? No, no, no. She's so sweet. She just looked at it, and then she looked at me, and then she's like, pink sucker. And I was like,

You want her over. I wanted her to have it so bad, but I was like, I don't want to just, I knew you guys had said earlier. Oh, it's fine. I was like, you're going to have to ask your dad. Yeah. She just walked with the little, so the sucker looks so cute. Oh my gosh. She actually had another one today. She found it at the grocery store. I would rather just give her the sucker and her not scream. Oh yeah. Yeah.

So sweet. Love that girl. Can you discipline a kid like at that age? How much do they understand? Because Ivy's... Oh my gosh. Is there a gecko? Oh my gosh. There's a gecko. I wish you guys could see it. There's a gecko. This one lost its tail. Also, Hunter made a gecko lose its tail. Oh my gosh. Cut that out. Cut that out. People are going to cancel me. PETA comes.

It comes running out. No, it doesn't hurt them. It doesn't hurt them. Hey, they set it free. He did set it free. Yeah, you set it free. It's alive. It's happy. But can we also say that he's holding the tail and the tail's still wagging?

Why does it do that? It has nerves. It was just flapping. My skin was about to fall off my body. It's called biology. It has nerves in it. It's like a snake or a chicken. I wanted to ask you guys, though, as parents of one kid that's literally almost two years old, how do you manage disappointing them? Because right now with Griffin, he cries. We just have to help him. But are you verbally telling her –

I don't know. How do you go about that? So it's so hard. And like, it's a learning curve. Like we're still learning. Like I knew just from like growing up and honestly, like how my parents parented me, like I learned things that I liked that they did or didn't like, um, or that affected me in different ways. And so it's whenever they're more understanding and like, y'all see that Ivy's very independent. So she understands more. So we're able to,

to her, you know, what's right and what's not right. Um, but it's still hard. I mean, she's at the age right now where she's almost like testing us. Yeah. She is getting to that point. And so it's like, even though we're telling her no, she knows she can still do it just because we say no, don't mean she can do it. She has free will. Yeah. So she is like prying a little bit. Um, that thing is running so fast against that wall right now. Um, but,

So, in that way, I don't know. We're still learning. But she is... She's such an easy kid at the same time. And it's like, knock on wood for the next one. Like, if they're... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I thought you guys told me that you're never even considering having a child. Yeah, you said a few months ago that's how we were. Yeah. Hold up. Yeah, so... Hold up. What changed? Hunter's mind. Well...

Devin kind of convinced me. Yeah. You're kidding. No, literally three. So I had baby fever super bad the past few months and Hunter's like, no, no, no. And then we actually thought we were pregnant right before this trip.

And so when y'all told us that y'all are pregnant and when y'all announced, we were like, oh my gosh, what if we are too and we can surprise them? Yeah. But that, it would have been very unplanned. And so I think, so we're not pregnant. Dang it. Currently time of the month, so we're, no, we're not there. But it just kind of like opened the doorway to be like, okay. Yeah. Because I think we convinced ourselves that we were. Oh yeah. It kind of was like a letdown when you're like, oh shucks.

you know so it made us like she had like all the initial like signs and symptoms so we were like oh you're pregnant this is it but so I don't know we might be starting to try soon you guys that's exciting how cool would that be if Devin and Abby were pregnant at the same time oh my gosh that would be cool that would be so fun that would be so fun

We both have our bellies. We're both 5'2". I know. Yeah. Just wobbling around. It is really sweet. Hunter did say earlier that he wishes Devin could be seven months pregnant all the time. All the time. Yeah. Yeah.

You just thought I was the hottest thing. I love that. I love it. That's really sweet. Well, you guys, thanks so much for being on our podcast. Oh, my God. I told you not to be worried. I was like, we're just going to record us having a conversation. Oh, yeah. This is fun. How do you feel it was? This is so fun. I could just keep talking. I know. I'm like, dang, it's over already. I know. We're going to have fun. We're going to have fun with sequels. Yeah. Part two? Yeah, definitely. Oh, for sure. We should do like a game on here.

or something. Yeah. That'd be really fun. If you guys haven't left a review yet, go ahead and do that. It really means a lot to us. You can do it on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and subscribe. Again, it just really helps push the podcast out to more people and tells all the social media algorithms that they should push our podcast to other viewers. And I have a couple of fun reviews to read. So yes, this one's from Hadley. So thank you, Hadley. It says, Hey,

Matt and Abby. I just wanted to say or to let y'all know how much I love y'all's podcast. I just listened to your newest episode and I want to say congrats on your new baby. I can't wait to see Griffin and this new baby be best friends. I have some close friends and they're sisters about 15 months apart. They're so close with each other. It's like a built-in best friend. That's what we're kind of hoping for. So I wanted to say I love you guys and hope the pregnancy goes well. So thank you Hadley. This one's from Ashley K. It says your podcast is great.

The love you two share is so special and encouraging. Thank you for sharing your sad days, funny moments, and special times with us. Congrats on baby number two. You two are amazing parents and will rock that chapter of your life. That's so sweet. One more? One more. This one's from Kay. It says, I'm so happy for you guys. You are truly amazing and I love how real you are. This is one of the best podcasts. I highly recommend. You guys have such beautiful spirits. Stay you.

So sweet. You guys are so kind. So if you leave a review, leave your name or leave your Instagram handle so we can shout you out on here. Thanks so much for all the love. It really is so humbling. I don't know. You guys have been so, so kind to us. We cannot thank you enough. And we'll have to have on more wonderful guests like Devin and Hunter in the future. And until next time, three, two, one. Peace out, dudes.