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True Spies Debriefs: Bob Dougherty on transnational repression

2025/1/14
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Bob Dougherty: 我在多个政府机构担任讲师,越来越多的被要求谈论跨国镇压的危险。跨国镇压是政府为了压制、骚扰、恐吓居住在其国外的本国公民而采取的任何努力。这包括威胁、骚扰、恐吓,以及其他侵犯人权的行为。跨国镇压一直存在,但由于一些专制政权加大了努力,我们现在才开始更多地关注它。我个人参与到这个问题中,是因为加州政府注意到了这个问题,并开始通过培训和意识教育来解决这个问题。我认为跨国镇压是我们面临的更大问题——非常规战争或混合战争的一部分。 我们应该关注的是,跨国镇压不仅仅是一个孤立的问题,而是这些专制政权(主要包括伊朗、俄罗斯和中国)更大努力的一部分,这些努力包括干涉美国大选、窃取军事机密和技术创新等。因此,我们不仅要保护居住在我们国家中的其他国家公民的人权和尊严,还要保护我们自己国家的利益免受这些大型专制政权的侵害,他们正在利用跨国镇压作为对我们发动非常规战争的更大策略的一部分。 我们现在也开始意识到,这些政权(主要是伊朗、俄罗斯和中国)已经以致命的方式进行了跨国镇压,他们暗杀了居住在欧洲和美国的反对派人士。俄罗斯还参与了类似二战时期的破坏活动,对欧洲国家的铁路系统、军事弹药厂和德国制造厂进行了蓄意的纵火袭击。 专制政权之间互相学习和分享跨国镇压的策略,并且它们之间正在加强联系。技术在跨国镇压中扮演着重要的角色,专制政权利用网络技术进行威胁、骚扰和恐吓。美国政府也存在滥用技术监控公民的问题,这令人担忧。 为了应对跨国镇压,美国应该加强法律、加强培训,并改进移民政策。我们需要一个良好的系统来处理移民问题,并为那些来自专制政权的寻求政治庇护的人提供更便捷的途径。 Morgan Childs: 我与Bob Dougherty进行了关于跨国镇压的讨论,探讨了其定义、案例和应对策略。我们讨论了技术在跨国镇压中的作用,以及专制政权如何利用技术进行监控和操纵。我们还探讨了美国政府在利用技术方面存在的问题,以及如何保护居住在美国的外国人和美国公民。

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What is transnational repression and why has it become a focus for Bob Dougherty?

Transnational repression refers to efforts by governments to silence, harass, or intimidate their citizens living abroad. Bob Dougherty, a former CIA officer, has focused on this issue due to the increasing activities of authoritarian regimes like Iran, Russia, and China, which have intensified such efforts. He became involved through his work with the state of California, which noticed these incidents due to its diverse population, and he now trains law enforcement and government agencies on the topic.

Which countries are the top offenders in transnational repression according to a Freedom House report?

According to a Freedom House report, the top offenders in transnational repression are Russia, Cambodia, Myanmar, Turkmenistan, and China. These countries have been involved in physical attacks, harassment, and intimidation of their citizens abroad.

How does technology play a role in transnational repression?

Technology enables authoritarian regimes to carry out transnational repression through digital means such as emails, text messages, phone calls, and social media platforms. It allows them to threaten, harass, and intimidate their citizens anonymously and from a distance, making it difficult to trace these activities back to their source.

What are some examples of physical manifestations of transnational repression in the U.S.?

In the U.S., the Chinese government set up physical police stations in cities like San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York to coerce and pressure Chinese citizens. These stations were used to threaten, assault, and even kidnap individuals. Additionally, during Chinese leader Xi Jinping's visit to San Francisco, the Chinese consulate hired protesters and security personnel to attack anti-regime demonstrators.

What is the connection between transnational repression and unconventional warfare?

Transnational repression is part of a broader strategy of unconventional warfare used by authoritarian regimes like Iran, Russia, and China. This includes activities such as interfering in foreign elections, stealing military secrets, and engaging in cyber warfare. These regimes use transnational repression as a tool to promote their political and economic interests globally while undermining Western democracies.

How do authoritarian regimes collaborate in transnational repression?

Authoritarian regimes such as Iran, Russia, and China collaborate by sharing information and tactics on how to carry out transnational repression. They have strengthened political, economic, and military ties in recent years, and it is likely that they combine efforts to enhance their effectiveness in silencing dissidents abroad.

What measures does Bob Dougherty suggest to protect foreign nationals in the U.S. from transnational repression?

Bob Dougherty suggests passing laws that define and strengthen penalties for transnational repression, increasing training and awareness for law enforcement, and implementing special asylum policies for refugees from autocratic regimes. He also emphasizes the need for a reformed immigration system to make it easier for people to seek asylum in the U.S.

What is Bob Dougherty's view on Julian Assange's claim of being a victim of transnational repression?

Bob Dougherty is skeptical of Julian Assange's claim that he was a victim of transnational repression by the CIA. He believes Assange violated U.S. law by releasing classified information and that the U.S. government's aggressive pursuit of him was due to the perceived damage he caused. However, Dougherty also notes that Assange has already paid a significant price for his actions.

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This chapter introduces the concept of transnational repression, defining it as actions by governments to silence or intimidate their citizens living abroad. It highlights the increasing attention this issue is receiving and explains the author's personal involvement in addressing it through training and awareness programs.
  • Definition of transnational repression
  • Increased focus on the issue
  • Author's involvement through training and awareness programs

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Do you know about the rising threats posed by transnational repression?

Hear from Bob Dougherty, veteran of 26 years as a CIA undercover operations officer. Today, Bob works as an instructor for multiple government agencies, increasingly speaking on the dangers of transnational repression; the intimidation, harassment, or other human rights abuses perpetrated by countries on their own people beyond their borders.

From SPYSCAPE, the HQ of secrets. A Cup And Nuzzle production. Series producer: Joe Foley. Produced by Morgan Childs.

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