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True Spies Debriefs: Tim Tate on the Spycatcher Scandal

2024/11/26
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Tim Tate: 本期节目回顾了作者蒂姆·泰特的新书《To Catch a Spy》,以及围绕该书引发的争议。泰特详细讲述了克格勃间谍米哈伊尔·戈利亚诺夫斯基与MI5间谍捕手彼得·赖特之间的关联,以及他在调查过程中如何被认为对国家安全构成威胁。他还谈到了英国政府试图阻止赖特出版回忆录《Spycatcher》的努力,以及他对政府回应其书中批评的失望。他强调了信息公开的重要性,以及政府对信息控制的过度。 此外,泰特还讨论了他在获取信息方面遇到的阻碍,特别是来自MI5的阻挠。他解释了英国的信息自由法案如何不适用于MI5,以及他如何被告知,公开戈利亚诺夫斯基的档案会危及国家安全。他认为,MI5应该公开其档案,因为这些档案可能揭示MI5内部存在苏联间谍的重要信息。 最后,泰特谈到了他正在撰写的一本新书,内容是关于英国和美国情报机构在冷战期间招募纳粹战犯的丑闻。他表达了他对政府保密和掩盖丑闻的厌恶。 Morgan Childs: Morgan Childs作为节目的制作人,引导了与Tim Tate的对话,并提出了一些关键问题,例如政府对《To Catch a Spy》的回应、戈利亚诺夫斯基对赖特职业生涯的影响,以及MI5对信息请求的回应。他还探讨了与戈利亚诺夫斯基相关的复杂情报活动,以及詹姆斯·耶稣·安格尔顿对安纳托利·戈利岑的信任如何导致对哈罗德·威尔逊的错误调查。Childs还帮助解释了主题访问审查的含义,以及为什么Tate会提交这样的请求。

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Why did Tim Tate become interested in the Spycatcher saga?

Tim Tate's interest was piqued by the British government's attempts to suppress Peter Wright's memoirs, Spycatcher, which revealed routine law-breaking by MI5. The government's obsessive control over information during Margaret Thatcher's era also fueled his curiosity.

What role did Mikhail Golianevsky play in Peter Wright's career?

Golianevsky provided crucial intelligence that helped Wright in his mole-hunting efforts, particularly in breaking the Portland spy ring. His revelations about a potential Soviet mole within MI5 also influenced Wright's investigations into Soviet penetration.

How did the British government respond to Tim Tate's request for information on Golianevsky?

MI5 refused to release its files on Golianevsky, citing that it would not be safe or appropriate to do so. Despite having the legal right to request these files under the Freedom of Information Act, MI5 is exempt from such requests.

What did Tim Tate learn about himself during his research for his 19th book?

Tate discovered that he was considered a threat to national security by the British government for delving too deeply into sensitive intelligence matters, particularly the Spycatcher saga.

Why did the CIA distance itself from Golianevsky while MI5 continued its relationship with him?

The CIA began to distance itself from Golianevsky after he made a bizarre claim to be the surviving son of the last Tsar of Russia. MI5, however, continued its relationship with him for several years, even after this claim.

What is the significance of the phrase 'wilderness of mirrors' in counterintelligence?

The phrase, coined by a former CIA head of counterintelligence, describes the distorting effect of counterintelligence work, where reality is often distorted by prejudices, experiences, and beliefs. It highlights the complexity and confusion in counterintelligence operations.

What was the outcome of Tim Tate's subject access review request?

The Cabinet Office responded with limited information, citing that releasing more data would endanger national security. This response was seen as absurd, given Tate's role as a journalist requesting legally mandated documents.

What is Tim Tate's next book about?

Tate's next book investigates the recruitment and protection of Nazi war criminals by British and American intelligence during the Cold War. These war criminals were used as spies against the Soviet Union and were shielded from war crimes investigations.

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This chapter explores the Spycatcher scandal, focusing on the intersection of KGB mole Mikhail Golenevsky and MI5 spy catcher Peter Wright. It details Golenevsky's double life and his role in exposing the Portland spy ring, highlighting the British government's attempts to suppress Peter Wright's memoirs and the public's reaction.
  • Mikhail Golenevsky's double life as a Polish and KGB agent, then CIA informant
  • Exposure of the Portland spy ring
  • British government's attempts to suppress Peter Wright's memoirs, "Spycatcher"
  • Public's reaction to the government's actions

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Hear from Tim Tate, best-selling author, award-winning documentary filmmaker and investigative journalist, as he dives into a scandal born deep in the heart of the British Intelligence Service.

Time untangles the connections between KGB mole Mikhail Golenevsky and MI5 spy catcher Peter Wright. And recalls how in the process of writing his 19th book, he learned he was himself considered a threat to national security, for delving too deep...

From SPYSCAPE, the HQ of secrets. A Cup And Nuzzle production. Series producer: Joe Foley. Produced by Morgan Childs.