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185. Say Less, Mean More: Craft Compelling Communication

2025/2/11
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Think Fast, Talk Smart: Communication Techniques

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Guy Kawasaki
以10-20-30规则著称的venture capitalist和营销传播专家,帮助企业家和团队提升沟通和演讲技能。
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Matt Abrahams
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Guy Kawasaki: 我认为作为演讲者,最重要的是要意识到娱乐观众的重要性。太多人认为他们需要做的只是传递信息,把自己的观点和卖点强加给观众。但实际上,你应该从观众的角度出发,了解他们的需求。如果你的目标只是传递信息,而不去娱乐他们,那么你很难成功。娱乐观众是有效传递信息的前提。 Matt Abrahams: 我完全同意。正如我的导师Phil Zimbardo所说,教学的目的是传递知识,但传递知识的方式是通过娱乐。你需要与学生建立联系,让他们参与进来,这样他们才会主动学习。这在商业故事叙述中也是一样的道理。通过娱乐来传递信息,效果会更好。

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Guy Kawasaki emphasizes that successful communication prioritizes captivating the audience over simply conveying information. He shares anecdotes from his career at Apple and Canva, highlighting the importance of entertainment in effective storytelling and pitching. The episode also touches upon the significance of connecting with the audience and understanding their needs.
  • Prioritize entertainment to capture audience attention.
  • Effective communication is about engaging the audience, not just informing them.
  • Stories should be natural and engaging, told in a conversational manner.

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How to captivate an audience and make your message stick.

Pitches and presentations don’t fall flat because speakers aren’t prepared. For Guy Kawasaki), it’s because speakers miss the point. “If all you're trying to do is inform, you're not going to pull it off. You have to entertain your audience.”

A renowned author, speaker, and entrepreneur, Kawasaki knows that the point of great storytelling isn’t about information, it’s about emotion. “Too many speakers think, ‘I need to inform my audience. I need to get my story across,’” he says. But throughout his career, formerly as Chief Evangelist at Apple and now co-founder of Canva, he’s shown how successful communication is about captivating audiences, not conveying facts. “If you entertain people, you have a chance of informing them.”

In this episode of Think Fast, Talk Smart), Kawasaki joins Matt Abrahams to explore practical strategies for building decks, structuring presentations, and tips for keeping audiences engaged. From investor pitches to keynote presentations, these strategies help create effective storytelling — in business and beyond.

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Chapters:

  • (00:00) - Introduction

  • (01:50) - The Key to Great Storytelling

  • (03:38) - The Purpose of a Pitch

  • (07:23) - How to Structure a Pitch Effectively

  • (08:55) - The 10-20-30 Rule for Slide Presentations

  • (12:21) - Using Images vs. Text in Presentations

  • (13:02) - Lessons from Podcasting

  • (14:33) - The Final Three Questions

  • (18:43) - Conclusion

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