Special Preview of “The Best People with Nicolle Wallace”
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Hi, everybody. It's Nicole Wallace. I'm excited to tell you about my new podcast, The Best People with Nicole Wallace. What is The Best People? Well, it's an invitation inside my shortlist of the smartest, funniest, wisest, most creative people I've been blessed to encounter, either personally or professionally, as a journalist, as a mom, sometimes just as a fan.

The best people inspire me. They make me laugh. They tell the truth. They give the best advice. Now I'm sharing the power of those conversations with all of you. The best people are some of the most accomplished and accessible people out there. From Jason Bateman to Kara Swisher, Rachel Maddow to Sarah Jessica Parker, Doc Rivers and Jeff Daniels. This podcast is a chance for you to hear them and see them the way I do. And what you hear might surprise you.

So follow The Best People with Nicole Wallace. The first two episodes are available right now and new episodes drop on Mondays. Stay here to listen to a special preview of the first episode with Jason Bateman, where we talk about how he got into podcasting with his show SmartList, his latest projects, and his take on the current political mayhem. You can also subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts for early access, ad-free listening, and bonus content.

I think that what makes the Trump story so amazing is nobody knows what's going to happen next. You know, I mean, the people in his cabinet don't seem to know what's happening next. You know, it's crazy. And but but but there's a writer's room somewhere.

Yeah, and in that writer's room, they are figuring out these seasonal arcs that are just – they're just gobsmacking. And somehow they build to these great cliffhangers too that are kind of like – well, that's like jumping the shark.

But like, for instance, you know, remember for a moment there, it was, it was very plausible that he was going to win the election, but start serving in prison. Like that was, that wasn't that would be, you would, you would write that maybe. Yeah. Like that would be a shark jump, the shark moment, but no, actually everything was built towards that legitimately can happen. And people are trying to figure out the apparatus to get classified documents to him, et cetera, et cetera. And,

Like to me, that's just a show I can't stop watching because he keeps outdoing himself and doubling and tripling down. And it's not for show. It's actually a reasonable escalation based on what just happened last. It's like it's really happening.

Does it change your industry at all when like the real world is so batshit crazy? Does it make people think like, I mean, you know, like, oh, this couldn't happen when the real world keeps defying that frame of this couldn't happen? Well, there's plenty of projects. I've been involved with at least two of them that are.

directly related to key figures in his administration that I have started developing but then backed away because there's no way you can do that because those are still active storylines and by the time you're done shooting it the ending may have been written and we won't have it you know in the show and

So, yeah, it's the notion of what is plausible and possible in the political world is—

I think the writers' rooms are having difficulty imagining it, even in a fictional setting, if you were to just have a fictional administration. Because, you know, I think most of us come off the car lot with a standard feature of shame and an ability to become embarrassed. Right.

And that's not built into our systems of defense. You can't assume that somebody is going to drive right through shamelessness. And he does, and he is. And so we're constantly on our heels.

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