Pride Proud, A Little Swimmers Surprise & Jann's Ride-On Mower
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Oh, it's Jannie-O. Welcome to the Jan Arden Podcast. I'm here with Sarah Burke, who always runs the board and produces and does stuff, and our executive producer, Caitlin Green. Caitlin and I have been working together. We are at four years, Caitlin. I just wanted to remind you. That's crazy. It was around this time of year. You and I have been working together for four years.

That's wild to me. It might even be a little bit more than four years. Caitlin and I started down this path. Some of you might want to harken back to the business of life. I was doing a podcast with Arlene Dickinson, and it was a great podcast. We had so much fun. And as life goes...

I mean, you can only imagine how busy Arlene is and how busy Caitlin is and how busy I was. But we had a great time doing that podcast. And I have had some questions about, you know, where's that going? And Arlene and I keep trying to freaking get together for dinner to catch up. And you can still see her on Dragon's Den and doing books and doing deals and all the great stuff that Arlene does. So, yeah, Caitlin and I started there. That's where we met.

Wild. But we knew each other from before that. And I'm saying this because I've had so many people ask me where you and I started from and where we knew each other from. Our origin story. Our origin story. And you would know probably a little bit more than me because your memory is younger and better. But I came into the Chum Morning Show a lot when you were there. Yeah. Yes, you did. You would come on and it was, you know, because you were in the building, you were promoting new projects, and you have a great friendship with Marilyn. Yeah.

Yeah. Immediately, Jan just presented herself as someone who was not only artistically talented, but who has a great personality.

personality, someone who you want to listen to, who you're going to laugh at. So you did radio appearances better than just about anybody. And I think when you were on the social and then you had your own TV show. And so the now former executives at Bell, but the people who were there at the time had a real eye for that stuff. And we're like, let's get you a podcast. Let's get you more places because you're very good at this.

Well, no, it's fun to talk to people, isn't it? And I do enjoy a podcast. I've been listening to a new podcast. To me, they've been on the air for a couple years. Two fucking zany women from Oklahoma. Oh, my God. I love them. Love. Pumps and Jennifer. Pumps. Pumps.

And they have taken on the patriots of America. They have taken on... But the one thing I wanted to touch on is they have a similar problem to us with right-wing kind of conservative ideologies, whether it's the Christian extreme political right, the freedom convoy people,

the anti-vaxxers. I mean, I love hearing them speak to kind of the same group of people that we deal with up here. We should have them on. Well, I don't know if they do other people's podcasts, but... I'm going to ask. They were talking about the flag, and we also share a similar quandary with our Canadian flag with the red maple leaf, and it's been flown upside down. And the convoy anti-vax people...

hijacked the Canadian flag. And I can't even look at it now without a certain amount of sorrow, a little bit of disdain, some disappointment. And these ladies were talking about a podcast that they did in May about taking back their flag.

that they wanted to be able to fly their flag. And I think Pumps and Jennifer were like, I'm not flying that fucking flag. I'm not putting that up. I don't know what people are going to think of me. I'm flying the gay flag. I'm flying the pride flag. But they were...

they really do make me laugh. They're funny together. They just have a great friendship. You know, what's funny though, is that like, so they are podcasts. I became familiar with them through social and it was their social clips and the trajectory and the reach of their social presence that introduced me to them for the first time. And I forget, I think they were talking about reality TV. And so like, that's kind of my like,

lane and I was like, what are they talking about? And they were talking about like drama on a reality TV show and some pop culture stuff. And I just the way they said stuff was so funny and just very don't care. It is hilarious. It's hilarious. And there are just

Yeah, there are comedians in your everyday life that you know. And I think that is what I love about podcasting and radio when it's done well is that you feel like they're your friend. You feel like they're your funny friend that you just love listening to. And that, oh my God, that's the best. I always have podcasts in and I feel like a freak, but I don't care because when my AirPods are in, I just tell my husband, I'm like,

okay, I'm going to go hang out with my friends because I like, I think they're my friends. It's really great. So if you guys are looking for a really acerbic, sardonic, pleasantly spiteful podcast,

that is spiteful in all the right directions. With a great accent. I've had it. We can link it in the show notes. We'll put it in. Definitely listen to these women. And the fact that they're older, they're not as old as I am. I think they would be in their 50s, safe to say.

I don't think they're in their 60s because they look damn fine. They look great. Should we fly the pride flag for a moment? Yeah. I mean, it has been Pride Month in Calgary. I believe it's their week of festivities is coming up. Yeah.

The Pride Parade and things like that? This episode will come out on Stonewall Day, actually, now that I think about it. Oh my gosh, you're right. So Marsha P. Johnson is at the center of the Stonewall riots, if you're not familiar. Tell us a bit about it. Pride really started as protest, right? It became sparkles and celebration, and those things are still great, but it began as protest, and at the center of it, Marsha P. Johnson, she was a

A black gay liberation activist, self-identified drag queen and like known for being outspoken about gay rights. And she was one of the prominent figures in the Stonewall uprising. That was in 1969. If you don't want to be married to gay people, then don't marry them. Then don't do it, guys. We really suggest that as your first course, your first line of defense. Yeah. If you don't want to be in a gay marriage, don't marry a gay person. Yeah.

how, how much simpler can we lay it out for these straight people? You damn straights. You straight people. In the other, you know, podcasters that you're talking about, right? Like I'm sure they go through that topic too of like, why do people care so much about who you love? Right? Like, I,

will never for the life of me, they always talk about indoctrination. They're just, they're, you know, getting them in these things at school and they're teaching all about that. And, you know, I'm just like, they're actually really not. They just, the kids are so savvy though. I have so much faith in young people. I have so many great stories of friends that do have kids in junior high and senior high and their kids are just, they've got friends that are

like considered trans or they have they them pronouns they deal with it without blinking an eye you know even if the teachers are struggling you know with the the bullshit put on their plates because i think a lot of teachers are reluctant to go down that road they just want to teach their students the information sure they don't want to politicize them or weaponize kids against each other they just want to teach so anyway yeah it's um they're like leave math out of this like we're like

Like truly leave us alone. That's what I feel like. I'm like, okay, so we're heading into like elections and all this stuff. I'm like, where is the politician who's running on the platform of like, leave us alone on all fronts. Like I just want to be left alone, but I am going out for pride. I'm going out on Sunday to Sunday is like my day. And I get to go out with all of my friends and there's an epic pride party that happens. And then we go to this amazing, um, the five one nine, like the, the,

on church here in Toronto. They do like a big beer garden on Church Street. So I'll go to Pride beforehand. A beer garden? I know. How fucking gay are we going to get here? Beer garden. But I think that the funny thing to me is like I go on Sunday. So it's the last day of Pride in terms of the street festivities here in Toronto along church. And

And so I tell everybody, I will stay with you until I have to go pee. And then I must leave because those porta potties have been baking for three days in the sun. And I braved them when I was younger. Just pop a squat, girl. Why would I go in a porta potty? I am in a sea of thriving people in harnesses. There is no squat popping happening. What about those pee funnels? There are fans like...

I could get a pee funnel and I'm sure like maybe some people would like be into it. Yeah. Pop one of those out. But like, I just feel I need, I require a peaceful moment to go to the bathroom and then you just might not come back. So I just, that's what I, that's what I tell everyone. I'm going to leave. And then here's a story for you. This has nothing to do with gay pride, but it does have something to do with pee. So I'm mowing. I'm on my ride on more. Oh my God. Last week. Maybe that is gay. Maybe, maybe this is a gay story. So I'm on my ride on more.

And I'm, you know, I'm looking up at the clouds. My friend had said to me, if you're going to do it, you better do it now because it's supposed to be a thunderstorm, yada, yada, yada. In your Wonderbra. Jostling. So I am flying out there. I'm in my Wonderbra. My boobs are hunkered down for the terrain that is my yard. Anyway, I don't know why I didn't go to the bathroom before I got on there, but I was panicking. I'm like, I can't stop the tractor and

you know, shut it off and go into the house and go to the bathroom. I think you guys know where this is going. So I, and I live nowhere. No one could see me. My neighbors are far, far away. So I left the tractor idling and then I jumped off and just yarded my shorts down and just peed in the trees. And I had an ant going up my leg. So I'm trying to swat at that. So now I've, so now I've peed on my, my slider, my foot and,

Because the ant scared me. I'm like, I do not want that ant to make it to my vagina. So I'm moving, trying to sweat it out of the way, and I'm still peeing, and I hit...

my slider. So I'm kind of like trying to wipe that off in the ground. Like it really went sideways very quickly. And then as I look up and notice the tractor idling, it is slowly moving forward. It's not the greatest tractor in the world. The blades aren't on, but the tractor is moving away from me. So I had to get my, my shorts up, you know, rapidly flick the ants, plural now that are crawling up my leg.

And I'm like freaking out. They're little bastards, those ants. This is your doing, though, because you won't kill them. No, I did. I did have an exterminator come and get the ones around my gate. Thank goodness. And I did. I said a prayer and I felt bad about it. But...

And, um, but anyways, I hopped back on the tractor and I did have a laugh to myself. I had my cap on and my t-shirt, my wonder bra. Sorry, wonder bra. This is probably nowhere in your wheelhouse of how you want to tout your products. They're very diverse. It's fine. They're for everyone. Um, they're for everyone. So yeah. And then I just finished mowing the lawn and immediately showered and put everything in the shower. And I put my sliders in the washing machine as well. Sarah's not having a good time listening to this story. No, I'm loving it. I'm

loving it but there you have it so and that's all the time we have for today so jan at her core is a storyteller and a lumberjack and a lumberjack that painted a very visceral picture of being peed on by yourself i was peed on this week too listen can we just back up a bit here i didn't pee on anything but my shoe so caitlin green okay being on yourself is a bit of a stretch folks i i

I was trying to maneuver from the end. And if anyone knows, when you're in squat position, you can't stop the stream of pee. We've either gained listeners or lost listeners. I don't know what just happened in the last minute. My son peed on me because I learned the hard way. See, there's a fountain when it comes to your son. So that makes more sense. So this was more of a covert peeing on moment where we were at the splash pad. That's a good one. Splash pad. Yeah, we were at the splash pad near us.

and he's running around and I put him in a swim diaper because I figure like he's getting wet. So that's what I use in the hot tub. Yeah. The little swimmer is nice. Okay. So what I didn't know about little swimmers, and I guess I failed some sort of mom 101 course along the way is that little swimmers, children's swim diapers are only to physically catch and hold poop. They do not do anything for water, nothing, zero absorbency. Don't they fill with water?

No, they don't. They're designed to literally be a waterproof poop catcher. That's it. So when you see a kid in the pool, if that kid's peeing, guess what? It's a pee party. If you get into a pool with a bunch of kids and their little swimmers, their pee is just going everywhere because he sat on me in this little swimmer and he just peed all

All over me. I mean, I was soaked. He was sitting in my lap having a snack. And I was like, why is he so wet? He hasn't been in that much water. We've just been like running through the splash pad. And then I learned from my other mom friends that they are not absorbent, these diapers. So I just want everyone to know that there needs to be like a public awareness campaign about the fact that if you go to a public pool and you see a bunch of kids in there swimming around, their pee is not being absorbed by those diapers. It's just to prevent poop.

And don't tell anyone I pop a squat on the golf course. That's the only thing I can contribute here. You do? If I need to. So you'll go into the trees?

Yeah, if I need to and there's not like a porta potty or a bathroom for a couple holes, then I got to go. I got to go. Just check for ticks. That's all. I have no problems at all. I have pulled my car over, opened the door. Like I've I've peed in the ditch on Deerfoot Trail. So anyone in Calgary that knows Deerfoot Trail, it was it was 25 years ago. I was dropping Terry Clark off at the airport. We had been partying and.

And I got her to the airport barely. Terry, I don't know if you remember this or not, but I managed to get you there just in the nick of time. But I had to go to the bathroom so bad. And as I'm driving back, so I literally pulled off somehow on the ditch. And it was maybe like 530 in the morning. So just starting to get busy. And it was dark. So it was kind of fall, winterish. And I did. I opened the door, my passenger door, got in behind it and peed in the ditch. I couldn't take it. I could not take one more minute.

of holding my pee. I, you know, I've said to myself so many times over the years, don't ever put yourself in a situation where you have to go to the bathroom, like be prepared when you see a bathroom. So now like in Edinburgh, every time, even if I didn't have to go, I'd say to the girls, I'm going to pop into this coffee shop. I'm going to buy a fricking coffee. I'm going to spend four euros, four pounds, sorry. And I'm going to have a four pound, not poo. Cause that would be deceiving. It's not a four pound poo. It's a four pound pee. And I

Anyway, and I'm so glad that I did. I did not once in that trip did I get caught out walking for miles having to go to the bathroom because that will ruin your day. This is a public service announcement to the people listening to this podcast. Preventative pee measures. Preventative pee measures. And I'm sorry you got peed on. So what did you do? Now you've got a lap full of pee. Did you just go in the water? No, I just like we had to like wrap up our time at the park. He was pretty well done anyways.

And then honestly, like a baby pee is like nothing. It's just like a walk of shame home. No, I don't care. It was more of a stride of pride. I was like, I've been peed on by my own son who's adorable and I view his pee to be adorable. So I don't really care. And by the time I got home, I was pretty well dry.

So, and you know what it was? I was wearing black technical fabric, Lulu lemons. So you couldn't really see it. You could see a bit of my t-shirt being wet. So it wasn't like, it wasn't too embarrassing, but, um, little kids pee. Like, I don't know. It's kind of, you know, what embarrassment let's just cut out the embarrassment. It doesn't matter. We're all people. We all do stuff. We are just going to take a real quick break. We're going to be right back. Don't go away. You're listening to the Jan Arden podcast.

Now, getting back to Pride before we move on, because I have a few questions to ask you, Caitlin. Here at the Jan Arden Podcast, we support the LGBTQ plus community and to spirit community. We support this community to the ends of the earth and back. And we do not waver from that. And if you don't like that, you don't need to listen to us. But we are here to support our community.

And we all have friends, you know, that are colleagues. Yeah. You know, people are people. And I hope you will change your way of thinking. If you are listening to this and you're sitting on that fence where you just turn your nose up or think that it's wrong or think that God's going to be involved, trust me when I tell you, God is no more involved in gay people than he is in a child getting cancer.

So let's please, God is not handing out punishment and reward because that just makes absolutely no sense. I also feel like God's saying, like I am to politicians, leave me alone. Leave me out of this. You go live your life and do your thing. I have a pride flag that flaps away on my deck.

It ain't the Canadian flag because until we can, you know, straighten that mess out and not feel, if I were to have a Canadian flag in my yard, what would that indicate to everyone in my neighborhood, especially in Alberta? They'd say, oh, she's one of us. Yeah. Yeah.

She's one of the... She wants some freedom and she hasn't had... That's what it says to me. I can't do it anymore. I just... I still see some Canadian flags. I see them in cottage country a lot, actually. Like, flags are more common because you have, like, just... You have more land. It's good, but I... For me, in Alberta, sorry, I can't do it. I cannot fly. You feel like it's been, like...

It's been like, yeah, it's been a hijack question. Growing up in Alberta, like, I mean, I feel like we have covered many stories about Alberta now, but growing up in Alberta, was it welcoming? You know, it wasn't spoken about as much when I was like in junior high and high school, but we had gay kids in high school.

uh, that were quite out. And I keep in mind where there was 40 kids, 42 kids in my class. And maybe in the whole high school, there was 80, 90 kids that would have been 78, 79 kind of in there. But, um, I think because I've always been an artist and in an artistic community, my, uh,

view from where I stood in my life was always very open, very progressive, very liberal. I didn't, I never ran into any stuff that was, I just didn't. It just feels more, it feels like more

It feels more extreme everywhere right now. And then you kind of lose the plot of what connects us all and the same things that we all want in our life, I feel like. Well, we've gone backwards, don't you think, Caitlin? Yeah. The last year or so with trans rights. It's like gone backwards, but also I'm like...

Um, is it worse? Like, I'm like, I don't even know if it's fair to say that it's reflective of like a time that, that I like remember, but I don't know. Maybe I am looking at things, you know, through a different lens because I don't remember what it was like to be, you know, to live through some things like the, you know, like the Stonewall riots and all that stuff. Like I, so I wasn't there. So it's hard to say, but I mean, I have a really struck.

Sorry. Yeah. No. Well, my cousin, I remember he lived in a small town here in Ontario and he took out a full page ad in his small town newspaper to say I'm gay because he wasn't finding that he was being necessarily. Although I shouldn't I shouldn't speak for him. But I think that the primary reason he was doing this was because he felt like his identifying as gay was being dismissed.

not so much, you know, openly discriminated against, but kind of like not necessarily taken seriously. And he's like the bravest out and proud, like political activists. Like he's just so, he's so impressive in that way and has always known himself. And like, and my great uncle was,

was a drag performer on the London stage, one of the first ones way back in the day. And he actually served as a drag performer in the UK Army during World War II. Wow. To entertain the troops.

Yes. And I forget the name. It was I think it was called Tin Cup Follies or something to that effect. And it was him and a bunch of other performers. And so, you know, there is this amazing history of obviously, you know, drag performances and gay rights. I mean, for crying out loud, it was in the army. What were you going to say, Sarah?

Oh, okay. So this like just sort of stuck with me. So I'm working with some new creators on the network. They have a new podcast that actually launches on the day that our podcast episode comes out called Late in 88. And it's about...

growing up in Calgary, actually, when there wasn't terms like non-binary. So they're exploring the queer experience then versus now. Well, this is all new to all of us, the non-binary stuff. I thought it was a mathematical term, a binary number. You may actually know one of the hosts, Bronwyn Parks. I think they have designed some of your artwork for an album. Yes, for A&M. Yeah, Bronwyn. Yeah, so Bronwyn's one of the hosts.

So Bronwyn and Eleanor, they're like going back to 1988 in this specific time around like, you know, Stanley Cup, Olympics, like so many things happening in Calgary around that time. And like Bronwyn comes from an experience at home where family was very supportive of all this stuff. Uncle was out like pride in Toronto. And then Eleanor did not have the same experience. And they're basically exploring how...

each other at that time when they were too afraid to talk about it could have, you know, paved a different path. But what struck me, we were working on the show notes and I was like, oh, I noticed like the people you're interviewing, you're not putting their, you know, their full names. Like we should grab, you know, a proper bio from these people. And the response was pretend

protecting them because there's so much hate in these communities online still, which we sort of touched on. And that really struck me. Oh, people, come on. Just stop with all this hatred shit. It's just, you know what? It's getting boring. You guys are boring, boring, boring. Your hatred, your vitriol, your disgusting hatred.

viewpoints. You think these people are the ones that are ruining society? You're fucking ruining society. Your hatred, your fucking bullshit, your viewpoints are ruining the world. So we just fired Jen up. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No, seriously. We're not the assholes. You're the assholes. Well, I also feel a little bit like I see a lot of commentary around, you know,

everyone wanting to have their own freedom. Like that's been a big word that I think gets co-opted by different groups. And so I just, I feel like don't you yourself want to be left alone many times, like from these people, I'm like, you yourself would like to be left alone.

So just leave other people alone. It would be like someone commenting on a haircut constantly. You get your haircut. Now you have people weighing in all day fucking long. You know your haircut's ruining the community. You know your haircut. You're really affecting kids. My daughter can't see a bowl cut. But I'm like, you want to be left alone. You're saying you're like, I don't want to keep hearing about this. I'm like, you're exposing yourself to it, number one. You have failed to recognize the role that social media plays in constantly feeding you stuff that's designed to make you upset.

So when you find yourself on social media constantly getting upset and you don't know how to turn off the faucet to your own anger by just changing your algorithm or disengaging, like they've got you. I feel like saying that sort of, I'm like, they got you, bro. Like they caught you. They caught you in this web of making you perpetually upset at other people who like you just want to be left alone. So leave people alone. They will leave you alone. And

disengage on social media and re-engage with your day-to-day life because honestly it is like hearkening in this new era of people being poorly socialized and mentally unwell and I just stupid and stupid I mean I'm like people Caitlin's writing a thesis over here but I'm like people have like people have all let's be fair people have always been pretty like stupid I'm like stupid in many ways you're

There's a lot of stupid. It is new that people are very like loudly upset all the time and that they're addicted to that stress hit that they get. They're addicted to that negative feeling that they get. But they sure find their like-minded people. They sure attract their fellow haters. What a thing to attract. What a thing to go out on a social... Imagine going onto social media to find people that hate stuff with you.

Imagine the energy that that pulls into your life. Get another hobby. Let's go out into the world. I'm going to find people that hate just like I do. I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel right now. Jan's in a place of twang. Yeah, it just is. It's so pathetic. You got to push back. I just view things like a very long view. Like that's how I kind of just that's my purview of stuff.

And so I just don't, I really don't get it. Cause when I see so many people, you have empathy. Well, I'm like, you vote for a different person than maybe this person votes for like blue tie, red tie, like to an extent who gives it like who gives a shit. But I also am like, guys, like we all want,

to like love our families. We all want to be upwardly mobile in life. Well, I hope so. I guess we all want to eat food. We all want to enjoy our day. We all want to go to the movies. We want to go sit by a river and, and look at the stars and we want to have health. Yes. We just, we just want to live our lives unencumbered by judgment and

You were going to say something, Sarah. We're all very excited today, folks. We got riled up about Pride Week. We did. We love Pride. We have a lot of it over here. Yeah, we do. So last Friday, are we changing topics now? Well, a little bit, but still staying on the same path. Our friend Nahid Nenshi said,

who had such a terrible cold when he was on the show. And still did it. Still came into the appearance. Still did it. Trooper. Honestly. But yeah, got elected to be the head of the NDP party. By a landslide. Great news. You took my heart, it was a landslide. It was a landslide.

Not the landslide I was expecting. Next time we're charging for tickets. I love you, Newton-John. You know, to have 63,000 some odd votes for the leadership of the party, not only did it set a record, but the Alberta NDP is the largest opposition party in Canada. It is officially...

It's got so many members. They went from having 13,000 members when the leadership races started, and this has a lot to do with Mr. Nenshi, to over 85,000 paid memberships. So those memberships are $10 a piece. So not only did they raise almost a million dollars for the NDP party to be used, you know, in really, really creative ways to, you know,

push the whole idea of fairness, equality, gender equality, just a one-for-all kind of an attitude, not just some people. And I think that's what the conservatives have done in Alberta. If you are in the oil business and if you are considered really religious and if you are against, you know, trans people having rights and if you are against an education that's, you know, inclusive and, you know,

a broad spectrum of the things that we're going to learn. You should see the kind of agenda they try and cram down the throats of people in the education system. It's so disgusting what the Danielle Smith government has done in Alberta. It's just pathetic. But anyway, he is a shining light. He's a very intelligent, gifted orator person. His speech was very, it was so inspiring to listen to. And I thought that, you know, it was interesting to learn so much more about him when we were doing research for his appearance. And, um,

I knew that he was a very highly regarded and long-serving mayor for Calgary. But then when I learned that he would intentionally wear purple to represent a combination of blue and red because he...

subscribes to kind of big tent politics, which is like everyone is invited in. And it was always nonpartisan. Nonpartisan, which is so important. And also to say like, you know, I'm about ideas and I'm about solutions instead of saying I'm going to go extreme one way or the other. Or like I once I join one party, I can't wrap my head around anything that the other one is saying, which I think has irreversibly

eroded our discourse in general. So I, I was really, I didn't know much about him, but I was, I was super impressed with him and I've interviewed, I was, and I've interviewed some, I've had the good fortune to interview some people in, in politics before. And I wasn't always so impressed. And he was like, he was good. We might as well call out Trudeau. We're waiting for your appearance. He may be coming on the show. We've been working out dates and Mr. Trudeau. We'll get him. We'll get him.

I think Prime Minister Trudeau is really, his people are really making a concerted effort to make an appearance on our show. And they really haven't given us a lot of rules, you know, laying out our questions for the prime minister. So I think it's going to be done very fairly. We'll keep you posted when it's coming.

I would talk to any politician that wanted to come on the show. They would be treated the same as we would treat anybody else on the show. Except if Bette Midler was on the show, we would treat her better. We would be really nice to her. We would be super nice to her. So Bette Midler, if you're out there...

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Listen, this is a pride, proud show. Oh my gosh. We are a people proud show and we want to see women's rights continue forward. There's just so many things that erode away. All rights, human rights. Yeah, and women's rights and gay rights are human rights, but everyone deserves to have that. Anyhow, moving on, I really don't want to miss out on this story because there's a few things I want to speak about. Caitlin brought us a few things, one of them being

Taylor Swift's man making an appearance at one of her shows in a top hat and a tux, no doubt. And he picked her up and carried her around. And I have dreams of anybody picking me up and carrying me around, which I don't think is going to happen. Do you like that feeling? One of my favorite feelings of all times. And then I'm going to let you answer this question. Drive-ins, weekends, mom and dad.

7, 8, 9, 10 years old. We went every weekend. Mom and dad loved the movies. And the drive-ins were cheap. They could take the kids. We fell asleep. Dad carrying me in through the cold night air and setting me into bed. As a parent, melt my heart. I'm just going to cry. So that was it. That was it. That's so lovely. It's one of my most precious memories of my dad.

Okay. I'm letting us all soak that in for a minute. Cause that's so nice and visceral. Just take it in. So yeah. So Travis Kelsey picked her up all five foot 10 of her. No, she's not small. And, but it was, it was pretty sexy. I didn't obviously see the show, but I did see the clips and, and the crowd went. Okay. I didn't like it.

You thought it was like flashy of the relationship? Is that your vibe? I thought it was like... It was okay. It was very like... It was very... Send your letters to Caitlyn. You heard me say I loved it. I know. This is not like... And I like them being together. I think they're a great couple. I love when people are happy together. I'm all good with that. It just...

he was like wearing a top hat and he was like one of her backup dancers. I thought it was a bit cringy. I just, there was like, Caitlin, I'm not a PDA like person. And I learned a dance. He's a foot fucking ball player. I know, but I didn't like it. I was just like, I just thought I just didn't, it wasn't for me. It was very, it felt like a bit cloying and,

And I just, the media critic in me came out. And I just thought, I'm all for him when you show him standing off to the side of the stage and he's singing and he's loving it. But when he is now part of the show in a top hat, I just felt we had jumped the shark. Adorable. We had jumped, to me, jumped the shark on their relationship. And it was a little too... Also, it's like, sometimes you want to...

You know, you want to feel, you want to feel comfortable with them being like together. And I know that her other relationships, they really kept her a secret. And I think that was a problem for her, but I just, I don't know. There's a curse to it all. There is something about it that makes me. What happens after? Yes. I like, I'm like, play it cool, man. What happens after you knuckleheads? Yes.

What happens after? He came and did a show with her. They probably had great sex afterwards later that night. It's an if. They had pizza. No, it's not about the next 24 hours. It's about the next few years. It's just that when you become part of this public storyline. He's Yoko Ono. He's Yoko Ono.

He also wants to get into show business. So again, media critic Caitlin was like... Listen, that's going to be its own demise. The people will decide. I know. There is a sidebar to this story. Oh my God. Tell it. Did you guys see the Dave Grohl Foo Fighters? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I did. So quick summary. Dave Grohl went on stage, said something about like, oh, this is the errors tour versus the eras tour.

and then made a joke about, but we all sing. They did live music and Taylor's band is all live. It's all live music. Exactly. So Taylor like rebutted in her next show being like, excuse me, we're all live on this stage, my dude. And that kind of made me sad about Dave Grohl, who I normally love. I was like, come on, dude. Thoughts, Caitlin? I think his daughter had previously made some public comments about Taylor Swift's private jet and her carbon footprint.

So now I'm like, is this a case where the daughter has activated something for her dad and then he missed... Caitlin has the dossier. But I don't know if that's fully formed what it is. But Dave Grohl seems like a very... Normally, just kind of like a very chill... Nicest guy in rock and roll. Yeah, he rolls with it. Like a chill guy. And I just... It was a weird, also cringe moment for me where I was kind of like... It was a little bit like old man yells at cloud vibe for me.

for him, which I don't think is like a... I can't believe this band is insane alive. It was a little like that, which I just feel that he's above it or should be above it. It's a little jealous, jealousy. I think that's what it is. It's a little bit jealousy, but you know, in her rebuttal, she's like, listen, I'm playing another sold out 90,000 person show here. For three hours. Three and a half hours of this particular show and she said, I just want you to know my band really deserves this. They're playing live for...

for you for three and a half hours and the crowd went wild. Let's as artists, let's just decide something right now. Support each other. That whole idea of success being a ladder. There's so many thousands and thousands of different kinds of bands out there that are doing it on different levels. Obviously, Taylor Swift is at a level to which we have not seen in our lifetime.

um if you were alive for the Beatles I'm sure you did experience a very similar the craze of the Beatles where there was 110,000 people sometimes gathered to see them yeah they couldn't even hear their own music back in their headsets it was one of the reasons the Beatles stopped doing it they saw no point in going and singing live they wanted their harmonies to be heard they wanted their intricate

musicianship anyway but I just I agree with you because it's like I'm going to see just be fair be nice well in this Friday like I'm going to see an artist who's like far more like indie than anything else Kurt Weill I knew I knew you were going yeah so he's my he's like really my like one of my favorites like him and like Tame Impala on my like rocker indie side that's where I lean and

But I also love Celine Dion and Rihanna more than anything. So again, it's this notion that you can like a lot of different stuff. Music is for everybody. So why do you think he'd say something like that, Caitlin? I don't know. It sounds petty. It sounds elitist. It just sounds like it sounds very unwelcoming. So you can only like our kind of stuff. You can only like this and that stuff isn't legitimate. It comes from jealousy, envy. And, you know, he's lived.

An entitled, privileged life. He's gone, you know, the Nirvana legacy. He has ridden that fucking pony for many, many years. And it has a lot to do with success of Foo Fighters as well. I don't think Kurt Cobain would have said anything like that. I really don't.

I think Kurt Cobain would have said, cool. Oh, now Shade is being thrown. No, I think Kurt would have been like, hey, cool. That would have been... Yeah. And I don't even know that necessarily, like I would have anticipated even five years ago, Dave Grohl would have said that. I think he will probably not be happy with having said that.

in the end but that's just stupid but yeah what she's done for the music industry is you know without nothing short of epic oh man it's just been so on the tip of music because we've been talking we've been looking at our summer playlist I listen to it all the time now I do too I love our summer playlist jams summer jams 2024 if you're looking on Spotify I've had a few people saying oh I'm

getting another playlist or I'm getting the Biddlemore's playlist. Link it from our show notes. We have the link in there. But it's easy. Jams, summer, jams, 2024. And there's a little watermelon emoji and now it's been saved 267 times. Shit.

Yeah, it's good. And it's not to be confused with our other former I Heart playlist. This is the only one. That one's still good, but it's not this year's. And I am just, I really am loving going through it. And just, you can click on it, start to finish, and it takes you on a bit of a musical journey. Does it ever? It needs a shuffle. You like a shuffle. Okay. Yeah, because like, yeah, the weaving in and out, sometimes like,

You know, if I was on a Kacey Musgraves high when I was adding songs, then like they're kind of close together. So do a shuffle. Okay. No, it's great. I'll have Sarah play some of the voice notes.

that we've received. I've been saying voicemail, but screw me up the sidewalk. It's not the right thing to say. Voice notes. And we've got some cute ones about Moondance, Van Morrison. I love this. From Miranda. Yeah, Miranda. And we're going to play your note, Miranda. But yeah, Moondance is a great tune. Hey, Jan, it's Miranda from Palmer Rapids, Ontario. I just want to tell you guys that I love your podcast. I listen to it weekly.

I also want to add to the summer playlist Van Morrison, Moon Dance. It makes me think of my mother listening in the morning. I would wake up to that song in high school and it was just so fun, even if it wasn't summer, but it's a great summer song. I also want to tell you, Jan, how much I love the Flipboard app.

It's amazing. I use it every day. So thank you very much. And I will keep listening. And thank you. Bye bye. And then we had a note from Kim about finally finishing the Biddlemoors. Hi, Jen. It's Kim from Ottawa. I wanted to send a voice note, my very first one, to let you know that I have just finished the Biddlemoors. I was a little skeptical when I first started reading, talking cows, you know, but

I loved it. Love, love, loved it. Loved the story, loved the characters. I loved everything about it, and I especially loved the ending. I was cheering at the ending, and thank you for sticking with that and writing that book, and I sure hope you have another novel in you because it was awesome.

Thanks so much for all you do for the podcast. I've been a longtime listener. I tell everybody about podcasts. I love it. Ladies, keep it up. Thanks so much. So sweet. We had a question from a listener. Should we talk about the question? Sure. So Kat sent in a voice note. We'll play it right here. Hi, guys. Love the show. Longtime listener, first-time caller. I just want to know your thoughts coming into summer with hotels.

I think we've all noticed that the price of hotels has more than doubled. We're lucky to get a room for under $300. Oftentimes it's closer to five. And I'm talking like roadside chains, not like a Fairmount property or anything. Basically asking our opinion on how do you go away? The price of hotels. Oh my God, everything's so crazy. I mean, my immediate answer is no.

Well, you split it with 12 people. That's the only way. You can still find rooms for $150 out there. And I'll tell you right now, folks, you might be anti-

Apps, travel apps, Travago is great. Hotel.com is great. Expedia is always great. If you're willing to shift your days, Hotwire is great. These are legitimately good. A lot of people say, well, my reservation wasn't honored and they didn't have it and the app screwed up. That's not going to happen, really. It's just not going to happen.

Book your hotel rooms through there. You can get great deals last minute because they want the rooms filled. And take it from Jane because you live on the road. Non-stop. Non-stop. You're the expert on that. I still, again, I know that Airbnb has become an increasingly flawed...

However, you can still find some pretty solid deals on there, especially when you factor in things like going to perhaps a smaller town or a region that only has a couple of hotels, which is so common in Canada. Or the bed and breakfast scene too. Look at the bed and breakfast scene. And the great thing about, you know, a place where you have your own kitchen is that you're going to save on things like

Having to wake up and immediately go out for breakfast is one of my biggest pet peeves or then spend a ton of money on room service or whatever is being offered at the hotel. So I would just point out that, yes, you're going to have to pay for some kind of like a, you know, stupid Airbnb fee. But Vrbo and Airbnb still a really decent option. Loved mine. Loved the house that we had in North Berwick in Scotland, man. Yeah, it was. And I'll tell you right now, it's three thousand dollars for the week.

Canadian dollars. There was four of us. Do the math. Seven nights. Wow. I'm doing the math right now. Just let people know. I did not graduate from math. I graduated from broadcasting. Divided by seven. So it's $4.28 a night and divided by how many of you were there? Four.

Divide by four, $107 a night. So I'm sorry that the value was crazy. Dishwasher, coffee. You know, when we got there, they had a lovely loaf of bread from a local bakery. They had a jar of jam. They had some Irish or sorry, some Scottish butters. Sorry, Scottish people. They had a little milk in the fridge. I mean, half of the stuff I can't eat because I won't eat that stuff. But how nice for my friends.

who are heathens, who are still are heathens and haven't succumbed to the way of saving the world. But what a lovely fricking host. We loved it. And I also want to add to like that when you opt for, you know, a road trip potentially to save some money over flying somewhere, like there are adjustments you can make.

And I know that there is a travel and tourism tax credit in Ontario. So whatever you spend on travel within the province, Oh, they took it away. It was a pandemic thing. Oh, damn it. Okay. That was like 200 bucks off. Anyways, there are still, there are deals to be had. If you go on these apps,

consider a road trip. There are amazing places to drive. You can drive to the Eastern townships in Quebec. One of my very favorite places to go. You can find incredible deals there on air. They owe you money. They should. Those Eastern townships owe you fucking money. The Quebec? You,

You sing their praises all the time. Cause I'm telling you, you can get these amazing design forward, private homes for very affordable. And the, a gas station in Quebec will have a little corner where you can buy some of the best wine you've ever had. Again, baguette, a bag, like, and they just, they know food and beverage and,

Yes, there's a language barrier. It's increasingly hostile towards Anglos. I'm sorry. That hasn't been great in the last little while, but whatever. Certain places like Magog are going to have much more of an Anglo presence. And the closer you get to the U.S., you can then zip across and go to like Vermont for day trips. Again, very affordable. And my husband... I'm going right now. As soon as we hang up. Just go. And like the...

And the Maritimes, you can find a great deal in the Maritimes this summer. I mean, hell, go walk the trails in Cape Breton. And go get some chocolate-covered potato chips in PEI. The cow's chocolate-covered potato chips. Like, they're the most ridiculous things ever. I want to say, like, so yeah, those moments, I get it. And I echo her sentiments. We adjusted our travel plans this summer. You are not alone. Many people are not leaving. They're doing staycations.

Airline ticket prices have gone up. I'm doing a staycation this summer. Sarah's coming. She's coming for the golf weekend for my tournament. And we're going to the hot tubs ready. We're all ready. And we're just staying in the hot tub. And like, this might be the year where you're like, sorry, I'm going to have to like use my friends for their guest room. Like we have a guest suite in our condo building and like it, that's a good idea. We are booking. Yeah. Lots of friends. We are booking people into the condo suite. 45 bucks a night. What is it? Oh, this is Toronto Jan. It is one 20. Yeah.

Oh, okay. Listen, listen, mine's 75. Oh. So listen, I'm closer to like West End. Like I would say I'm halfway between like downtown and the airport, Pearson. Yeah, okay. But if someone's like made a weekend to like go to a show in Toronto, like, you know, Rogers Center, Scotiabank Arena or Bud Stage, then like, cool. I'm always like to my friends, please ask me. I will always look to see if it's available for you. Because it, and you get the little, you have a little fridge. You have a little kitchenette.

Like it might look outdated because my building is like, you know, I think it was 2002, this building. But whatever. Like we stayed at our friend's condo suite, which was so nice. And his building has like a gorgeous pool. He lives in Montreal. And we went there for F1. And so we were there for F1 weekend when hotel prices in Montreal become $700, $800, $500.

I'm going to go stay there for FU. So just going to be great. You've got friends in a condo in Toronto. Be like, Hey, can I stay in your condo? No, it's a, it's a great idea. And most condos do have a guest suite. I am going to inquire to see if my condo has a guest suite. I've never, I don't know if they do, but they could probably just bunk out in the gym. I'll just,

use my fob and no one's going to check in there at night. Jan, I know your building, you for sure have a condo suite because it would, it's a relatively new build and it's a high use. It's a great way for the condo corporation to make money. It's like a huge profit maker for them. Listen, before we go, cause we've been on here for almost 50 minutes and I got to go mix a record. I want to hear from each of you. I want to ask you what's one thing you heard, saw, heard,

listened to, took in this week. I just, I want one thing from each of you very quickly, just like I'll give you 60 seconds each. Sarah, I'm going to start with you. What's one thing that just kind of made you happy, made you something?

Something you drank. Something a friend you saw. I golfed. And it was only my third time out. It was not with a boy. It was with one of my girlfriends who lives out of town. We meet halfway to golf. Love it. And that made my week. Perfect. That was on Sunday. It was beautiful. It was sunshine. That's it. That's all I needed to know. Okay. I'm cut off. Golfing. You're cut off. That was beautiful. Caitlin, before we say goodbye. I only have 60 seconds, but I'm fitting in too. And I'm going to shout out.

I'm going to shout out Chapel Roan, who is like my new pop girl obsession. I love her song. Good luck, babe. It is on our summer playlist. It is fantastic. It is in my ears 24 seven. Her name is Chapel? Chapel Roan. And this woman is Annie Lennox combined with like the lead singer of the Yayayas, Karen Oh. Her stage presence is phenomenal. She is camp. She is performing like she's just doing it all. And I'm obsessed with her. So it is the summer of Chapel Roan and Charlie XCX for me.

Hot tip for our listeners on all this front very quickly. The Game Time app, if you're looking to go to a last minute concert on the night of, go in the Game Time app. All the prices go down the closer you get to the show, even if it's started. It's 10 minutes in. You can buy tickets right outside before you go in.

And then my other recommendation for you would be to check out the new series called Presumed Innocent with Jake Gyllenhaal. It stars Jake Gyllenhaal. I got hooked. I'm only one episode in. I have a lot of time for Jake Gyllenhaal content. And so I thought I'd check it out. I would let him touch me with his wiener.

Yes, let's just say it. It's pride, so let's just say it. I would let him touch me with his wiener. And your turn, Jan. I think seeing my friend Russell here in Toronto flying in, staying in my little condo trash pad. I call it my trash pad. And we are at Universal. We are mixing a record in a beautiful studio here in Universal. And it's not costing me anything because this is my record label. And why would they charge me for something that I have to pay them to pay me back for?

Did I say that right? We love you, Universal and Russell Broome, who did our theme song. Yes. Yeah. But yeah, I think that and just eating at Gia last night made my heart sore. Russell said he thinks it's one of the best meals he's ever had in his life. We had prosciutto made out of melon.

Like, come on. Cause normally it's prosciutto and melon together. This was with spices and marinated and pickled and something rather anyway. And, and as every week seeing you guys. So those are things that really cheer me on. I love doing the podcast. Just a few little recaps. I've had it podcast. It's going to be in the show notes. Get in there and support your queer friends. I'm going to say queer that covers everybody. Your trans friends, your non-binary friends, um,

Of course, June has been Pride Month, but every month we need to be loud and proud for people that don't have family members cheering them on. It's really important. I mean, we're going to have a better world if we support each other. We just are.

And just take it easy. Just stop hating people. Shut up. And don't, just don't do it. I don't hate you for hating people. I want you to know that. I don't hate you for hating people because I know you're misinformed. I know you've been indoctrinated by parents. Most people that are listening right now, your religion isn't yours. It was given to you by parents and grandparents.

So sit down and be thoughtful about what your belief system is because 98% of it ain't your shit. It's somebody else's that they've handed to you. Anyhow, Jan's Jam Summer Playlist 2024 on Spotify. In the show notes. Yeah.

We love you. Subscribe to our podcast. We'll see you next week. We appreciate your listenership so much. Shout out to Intact. Wanderbra is coming on. Cove, we're counting on you, Cove. We're waiting on you, Cove. You're supposed to like have some sodas at my golf tournament and I'm really counting on you. There's going to be some thirsty people there. And Vaseline, would it kill you to step up? It's the time of moisturizing. Calgary's so dry. Do you want me to lose another nipple? Do you?

Do you want it just to crack off down as I'm walking down my gravel road? Come on, Vaseline. Step up. Caitlin Green. Happy Pride. Sarah Burke. Women in Media Network Podcast Network Podcast Network People. The Women in Media Podcast Network. Oh, my God. Quickest thing. Stay right there. Show and tell. What? Jesus. For everyone who is watching us on YouTube, Sarah is amazing.

or sorry, not watching us on YouTube. Sarah has left her microphone stand. She's coming over. She's coming back. She has something in a magazine. Okay, it's my show and tell. This is the Costco Connection magazine where I'm talking about us in here. Oh, the Costco Connection. What is this magazine? It's Sarah Burke. This is the Costco executive members. I got a bunch of notes this morning. It's the July issue. If you're at Costco, you can get this. They did a thing on podcasting and they interviewed me about the Jan stuff and starting the network. Shut the hell up.

I love Costco. So we are Costco members here. You can also sponsor us. Honestly, Costco should sponsor us. I have so much of their stuff. I love the Kirkland almond milk is so good. And their kids. They have vodka too now. Their kids clothing. Oh my God, please Costco. We love you. I love Costco. I can't afford to keep buying walnuts from Safeway. Like I just can't. That's so wholesome. I love this wholesome Costco moment. Okay, folks, this could turn into a nine hour podcast.

podcast. I have to go to work now. Caitlin Green, Sarah Burke, I'm Jan Arden. We'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to Lidu. This podcast is distributed by the Women in Media Podcast Network. Find out more at womeninmedia.network.