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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have our girl Kate Casey from Reality Life with Kate Casey, my good friend. We have so much to discuss. Welcome back, girl. Thank you very much. Good to be here. Thank you. I was at my new Target.

And a cute mom, Juicy Scooper, but also a fan of yours, was like, I just got done listening to your show. And right away, I was like, what do you think? Are you dying over Garcelle? And I started to talk about that. And then I go, oh, and you'll have to listen Thursday because I've got Kate Casey. And she goes, oh, I love her. Oh, that's nice. And she's like, I listen to her shit too. So I want to talk to you guys first because I know I was shooketh, you were shooketh.

another one of my predictions came true. It was like on the day. And sometimes I do, I once in a while get some inside scoop. I had no inside scoop that Garcelle of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills was going to quit. And when I was talking with Jacques on Monday, we record on Monday and Wednesdays for a Tuesday and Thursday drop, especially if it's a topical show. And I just have like this vision. I'm like, I just have a feeling she won't be coming back. So when I woke up on Tuesday morning,

And the first thing that popped up is, you know, this very nice video that she did that was clearly she spent a lot of time on. It was like an acting monologue and it was great. And it should. She's an actress. She's a performer. It was good. I was like, oh, my God. So then I had to have Drake, my son, put together a video proving that like I did had this weird prediction happen.

But I did not realize that they filmed the reunion on February 28th. And then according to Erica and Bose, who was on Watch What Happens Live,

That she, you know, and we now see the trailer. She walks off and she did like, I'm done with this bullshit. And so Erica's like, we knew she wasn't coming back two weeks ago. You knew Andy. And he's like, no, I didn't. She's like, she didn't take the group photo. Well, that wouldn't have convinced me that she was truly gone. Yeah. Yeah. So.

I have so many thoughts, but I want you to chime in before I continue on. Did you see Kempire's video? Yes, I spoke to Kempire. Okay, good. And who has also, you know, been on Juicy Scoop as well and has a great following of his own. And yes, he basically has all the scoop of what happens at the reunion. Yeah. Which is...

Bowes brings up the fact that Garcelle has questioned the legitimacy of the robbery of Dorit for a while. And according to Kempire sources who were working on the set that day or whatever, that Bowes says, if it was me, I would have sued you, Garcelle, for defamation. It's a little bit of a stretch. I think that's...

I mean, we don't know the context. We haven't watched the whole show. And even if we do, it's going to be edited. But yeah, that is something that has been in the zeitgeist that has been discussed for years, that it was strange circumstances. She was home a day early, that she flew home earlier than she was supposed to. So maybe these people planning on robbing it, whether they were tipped off or not, weren't expecting her to be there. They were very nice to leave her phone by the,

planter at the edge of the gate at her home. She had her wedding ring on, which maybe was in a jewelry cleaner. Maybe she curled it under her finger. Maybe she wasn't wearing it and they only went to the closet. There were all those kind of things that Garcelle brought up

that other people who watch the show and follow stuff has brought up. Well, it sounds like she was just asking questions that was already out there on social media. But to say defamation, I think that's a bit of a stretch. Right. And also what Erica was saying about, I'm just asking questions about Sutton is, yeah, Sutton did her job too when Erica was going through all the shit with Tom Girardi. Sutton did the job first.

of what makes the show popular, which makes us, is she asked the questions, you know, well, was there 25 million dollars put in your account? All that kind of stuff. Like, if she didn't do that, it would have just been, you know, bitter Erica. And like, we now are happy that Erica's through it and back on Broadway and looking fabulous and,

Is kind of a great girl's girl. I know, but she's boring. You think Erica's boring? Yeah. I mean, the season, all she did was show us like a renovation. There was, and by the way, I thought the whole show was boring this season, let's be clear. Okay. Nothing really happened. All of their lives have been pretty boring. True. So if you had not had all of the women at some point even pose a question, what else was to the show? Yeah.

It's a pretty boring show. You know, Brian Moylan always says it should be called Rich Women That Do Things. It was Rich Women That Do Things. I mean, we really didn't see anything this season. Boring. Well, I always say, well, if your life is peaceful and you're not going through a divorce and you're not dating anyone and your kids are at peace or your kids don't really want to be a part of it.

What are you supposed to do? You just have to be your funny self or non-funny self or whatever in a moment. You can't create that someone close to you is going through something horrible or you're going through something horrible. You can't create tragedy to stay on the show. But I think it's funny that both Garcelle and Erica, from what I can tell from watching them live...

Erica was harsh on Watch Your Homes Live last night. She was like really like angry at Garcelle. It seemed like she was like, I mean, what I haven't because then someone wrote like, well, you didn't show your life. We don't see who your other friends are. We don't see who you're dating. And she's like, please, you saw me my whole life fall apart. You saw everything happen. I was sued. I'm being sued now. Like, you know, Garcelle, you bought a beach house in Bakersfield.

And I was like, oh my God. It was just really gross. That was kind of snarky. So now people are like, that was pretty mean. It was mean. It was Oxnard. And Oxnard is very nice. Very nice, yes. And that, you know, that is what she's doing in her life. And...

We did get to see her on the Lifetime set. However, it's not that juicy. You know what I mean? It's like, well, I don't think any of our lives are juicy. I think they're all pretty boring. I'm sorry, but they've been on the show too long. And also, it's not our place to explore her older son Oliver's love life in which he has

I'm not interested.

In her leaving, yeah, I think she had one of those reunions that made you just go, I don't need this bullshit. What am I doing? I had a career before this. Yes. And I have opportunities that I should maximize before I'm on the show too long and everyone gets sick of me. So I don't know. I think it just came to a run.

And yes, having your kids be going to be seniors. Well, you know how that feels. Yeah, it is very stressful. I remember Jill Zarin kind of having a breakdown because she's like, I'm trying to get the kid in Vanderbilt. She's like, this is a rough year for me. It is a lot going on and she has two of them. And then also-

So if the boys are not down to be on it, then it's like also like, do I really want the world to know that they didn't get into their dream school or one did and the other didn't? I don't know if she even thought that far ahead, but that is something to stressful year like consider too. Right. But then the other part is like, I can't believe she's giving up this $750,000 a year.

But, you know, you've always said it's emotional warfare. Yeah. And so you kind of have to go in the end, like, what am I am I going to get anything extra out of one more season? Right. Maybe not just the paycheck. Yeah. Which takes a lot of time to get. Yeah. And then takes a lot of heartache. And you're you're risking your sons being exposed. But another starky thing Erica said yesterday where she was like she said something to be effective, like.

We do have things in common. We both married ugly white men who cheated on us. And Andy was like, I thought that was pretty great. I don't know why she's so pissed now.

at Garcelle. Garcelle must say something kind of rude to Erica. Something happened behind the scenes. Yeah, behind the scenes at the reunion. I didn't really get it because I'm like, I feel like the two of them had never had an issue. Garcelle and Erica. I think that they probably all have some sort of text chain where they say the most hateful things that we'll never know. And I was actually thinking, do you think we need to go Salt Lake City? Absolutely. Everybody, take out your phones and read the meanest shit you've ever, yeah. But,

But I have a game. I do think the show is unbelievably boring. And then the fact that Kyle won't talk about anything. I mean, can you imagine if you're an accountant and you're like, I just don't really want to talk about numbers anymore. Like this is your job. You are paid to talk about your life. Kyle's defense, in which I've seen her in these after shows and stuff, of not discussing Morgan, in which Garcelle has been putting her feet to the fire on that.

She was like, you know, well, you don't want to talk about Oliver. You don't want to your kids don't want to film. You know, so if someone in my life, just like your kids, requests not to be discussed. Yeah. So I should have that result. And then the other argument would be like, OK, kids are one thing. Love life's another. No, I mean, yeah.

Who's to say? Who's to say? I'm in a predicament because I can't talk about that part of my life. Acknowledge it. Right. Just like when a kid, when you're in a divorce and your spouse says the kids can't be on camera. Like she said, Sutton's kids in the beginning couldn't be discussed. We couldn't see them. Now they can because a couple of them are over 18. But with the Morgan thing, I agree with everything. Like what is the deal? They...

I didn't realize how long ago the reunion was done. So since then, Kyle has been seen on tour in Europe with Morgan at every show. I had one person write me, said with their own eyes, they were there, saw them holding hands. And we keep waiting for, well, maybe I will have a story to tell. I just, listen, why are we watching a reality show if the people are not real about their life? I mean,

Yeah. I'm not on a reality show. You don't really know that much about my life. I mean, like I sign up every week to watch a show because we have a contractual agreement with them. Show us your life. What are we doing here? Like, why are we doing this anymore? I don't know. Well, and you know, the rules, it's not a regular job that you all tuck into the factory and do eight hours. So based on how much you bring,

They will let certain people get away with bad behavior and others they don't. Well, it's got to end. I mean, Jennifer Aiden is supposedly never going to come back to New Jersey because she was mean to the person at Jersey Mike's, which I'm all for. Oh, I think it was a lot more than that. Right. But I'm saying someone else can do literally hard time trial and still come back like a Jen Shaw. True, true, true. So I'm like...

But it's because she wasn't bringing that much to the table and people were tired of her anyway. So thank you for being a dick one more time. Goodbye. We're going to get into New Jersey in a minute. But with Kyle, I now do believe part of it might be Morgan, I don't want to be part of the show anymore. I've said that before. Like, I don't... I'm a real country singer. I don't want this housewives, like, middle-aged lady bullshit. Like, and those are not my fans. But the other part, I think, is...

and I said this on my Patreon, I just don't think she's ready to say

I am in love with a woman, therefore I'm a lesbian. I think she wants to maybe say, I'm in a relationship with Morgan, but not go to the level of now I'm the poster child, the first housewife, you know, that even though Bronwyn would like to say she's one, the first bisexual housewife, and I'm going to embrace it, and therefore I'm going to be the, you know, do the parade and be it glad. I just don't think she...

is ready to do that yet. And I don't think it's because, I think it's because she really is like, if she's having a relationship with Morgan, she's really like,

I just want to be with Morgan. I don't know how long it's going to last. I don't know that we're going to get married. But I also think there's this part of her that's like, I like being a wifey to a man. And, you know, she might want to Lauren Sanchez it. She might want to leave her options open for the future. If this thing doesn't work out with Morgan, I think she doesn't want to be so on the spectrum of like,

she's our gay house. I don't think she's ready to be on People magazine. Yep, I'm gay, like Ellen. I just don't think she... That's why I think she's stalling. But if you're a private person, you shouldn't be on a reality show. Right. Like, you...

But I'm saying I just think she's waiting. She's waiting for something. She's waiting for a real commitment from Morgan or she feels like it's just a phase or or just that she's just not ready to say it. I mean, some people in the past prior to, you know, this decade were in the closet for a really, really long time. And, you know, and had the luxury, not the luxury, but had to be in the closet or chose to be in the closet, whatever. Right.

And we're just... And now it's like, what? Because it's not a big deal, you know? But to some people... I know, but... I mean, she is 55 years old. Like, I'm just saying, and that's what I think it is. But if they make a video together... Right. A sexy video. You can't shame an audience that is eager to just understand you. Right. That's all... You know, you have the ability to say as much as you want, but you shouldn't be on a reality show because...

Everyone else on the show and every other franchise is expected to expose all the parts of their life. Right. Maybe you've been on a show too long and you need to take some time away. I hate the way that it's like shaming the audience. Like, how dare you ask? Right. Right.

Yeah, you're right. But like, what are we doing here? Why are we watching you on a reality show? This podcast is brought to you by Aura. Imagine waking up to find your bank account drained, bills for loans you never took out, a warrant for your arrest, all because someone committed a crime in your name.

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She says in one of the aftershows to both. Garcelle never even liked... I saw that clip. She never even liked Sutton that much until Sutton could buy the friendship. What do you mean? Well, Garcelle had a charity event for... Where is she from? Haiti. Haiti. For Haiti. And Sutton, you know, very graciously, but again, bought a table for $25,000. Well, it reminded me of when she bought her table...

to Elton John and invited Lisa Rinna and then went and said, well, all I know is that Lisa never paid me for that. And Lisa was like, wait, what? And Lisa's whole thing was, I've been invited for years and not had to pay. And you were like, hey, want to come at my table? So,

I wasn't putting like two and two together. I just figured like, whatever, you're a rich lady and I'm Lisa fucking Rinna and you want me at your table. And it was prior to her becoming a housewife and all of it led to her being a housewife. So like, so it's a little bit of that, but then I think they did enjoy each other. But do I think there'll be friends when Sutton's still on the show? That's always how we know. A year after someone leaves the show. Hanging out and taking photos and talking on the phone when she's not on the show and Sutton is.

I would, if there was a gambling situation going on, I would say I'll put a couple grand down. Yeah, but Garcelle might be like, I cannot deal with anybody who was on that show for a good year. A lot of the housewives that leave say, I just want a detox. I can't follow accounts. I can't do anything. Sun's interesting. But wait, I just want to say, so then what she brought up, Brava Snark said, remember when she was like joking, like, maybe I'll forgive you for a Kelly bag.

For Kelly Bender-y, you know. But I just thought that was kind of funny. But yeah. The best episode this season was when they went back to Augusta and we got to meet Sutton's weird mom. Yeah. I love that kind of stuff where I like meet all the weird relatives and then I figure out how the sausage is made. Right. However, I do think it comes down to Sutton, despite all the money that she has, will never be accepted in Beverly Hills because it's a company town.

And she can't offer them anything because she doesn't work in the industry. So it's almost like a dork moves to town and they're not accepted because

So they have their mom throw a party with everybody in the grade and have like a DJ to get people to like her. It's like you can do as much as you want, but like you're never going to be accepted. That's why she kisses Kyle's ass. Because Kyle is Queen B and Kyle is...

She's connected to everybody. She's connected to everybody. Kathy Hilton. That's why she's obsessed. Yes. She wants to go to the Paris party so she can see Dua Lipa. And she didn't come for money. I thought she did. I mean, her house was nice, but it wasn't anything. And then when she revealed that her own mother was like, well, who's going to support me if you divorce Christian, your ex-husband? And she was like,

Why don't you care about me, mama? Like, no, I think that she married. I do think, you know, she married for love. Oh, that was the question about did you marry for love Erica Jane when she married Tom Girardi? Garcelle, I guess, posed that question. And that's when Erica said, I don't know. Did you? We both ended up with ugly white guys who cheated on us. Like.

Okay, whatever. But I thought that was pretty great on Ava's part. I like that kind of stuff too, though, because that, I believe, is the kind of stuff that they would say in Beverly Hills, like behind one another's backs. Yes, and we get to see it in front of their face. It's all power dynamics. That's why we watch it. Sure, they have nice clothes and all of that, but I like to watch it for all the power dynamics and who...

who wants more power than the other person, who matters, who's higher on the scale. But in just getting to about Sutton, I think she came, you know, from a nice life. She got to be a prima ballerina, go to college, be a, you know, go to ballet school, whatever.

And then I think she met Christian and then I think her, you know, his business exploded and he is very, very wealthy. And after being married for 20 years, she does deserve to have half and everything that like all that. But I think they're kind of like, that's what you got your money. You are not, you know, you're not generations of wealth. You didn't make it like you didn't have it. You know what would have been funnier? You got rich as a married woman with your spouse. If somebody was like,

Like what's on your LinkedIn resume? You know? Sustainable fashion. I don't know. We are doing...

clothes that are sustainable. Would that store close down now? Yes, but it's by recycled materials. Okay. And I had a fashion show and I was proud of myself. I think sometimes people, when they get a lot of money too, they like lose all sense of reality. She did have another name situation with Kyle, which I kind of loved. When she was like, do you believe it?

do you believe it? Do you believe it? It is like, oh my God. And then, and she was walking around being the victim. And I did agree with everything Erica said. And like, I understand it feels like a gang up and you're on this reality show. I mean, it is such a weird, like psychological, emotional warfare, as we've said, like I can, I feel for like all of them. Um,

Do you like the close-up shots when they're getting their makeup done? I find that to be so boring. It's so interesting that they never had that back in the day. And now they all bring their glam. But I think that's them expressing their power.

I'm obviously more famous and more wealthy and all of that because I have a team of four and you only have one girl that's doing a blowout from the blowout bar. Like I have this guy who also does the Kardashians hair and he's traveling with me on this trip. All I know is that they, according to like Carol Radziwill and people like that,

From the earlier years, if you wanted – if it was a vacation where you're going to jump in the water, they will provide a local person to come over and do your hair. Okay. Okay. That's included, but not the makeup. But there are local people that you could pay, I guess, to do your makeup if you wanted that too. But the Beauxs brought her own people. I believe –

I don't know if even Erica brought her. She must have brought her. I don't know. I feel like she had her assistant doing her makeup. Erica did? Yeah. Yeah. I'm so glad I do my own makeup.

I mean, I really think Kyle and Kathy do their own makeup. Yeah. And that was another thing. There was a big thing about this guy who I saw he's doing someone's makeup in the preview of the reunion. But he's the one that had the big riff with Dorit. Well, he was on that trip, too, to St. Lucia. So that I'm saying that's a power move because, you know, well, he's with me and he's going to leave from here and go and work on, you know, an Oscar winner. And then that's their like little power move.

Yeah, and that was that Dorit didn't pay him and that he did a video saying, yeah. So anyway, that's where we are with all of that. I still think there's a chance they'll bring back Lisa Rinna. By the way, just a side note. What? Back in the day, it was much more fun in New York when they would go on those trips because they would like...

share a room like Ramona and Sonia. And now they come with four people deep as their glam squad that have to stay with them. Or Sutton brought her assistant. Yeah. And it eliminates a lot of the fun of the hijinks that happen when they have to live together. Now they're isolated in these cottages with a full makeup and glam team. And I think it's a buzzkill. I know. And also like getting ready and doing each other's hair and like

Oh, yeah. I mean, it just can't compare to how fun New York was. But also those chicks were getting wasted. So I think that I think there is a chance that they will bring back Lisa Rinna. I really do. They'll beg her maybe. But don't you think she's texting Garcelle right now like, girl...

Set yourself free. Yeah. Oh, she said, yeah, of course. She's like, I'm so much happy. I have a podcast with my husband and we make tomato sauce. Like it is, I am so relieved. No, if they call her, she will come. You think? A hundred percent.

Yes, we've had some fun, you know, seeing her weird outfits with her bleached brows and whatever. But no, she would much rather. She's a hustler. She must rather get dressed and do the show. I feel like they would make someone grovel before they would have them back. Like she has said so much about the franchises.

I don't think they care. They'd make her pay a little bit. I think you need her and I think you're going to ask her and she's going to accept. Years and years ago, I remember one of the casting directors telling me that they had this really good option for a new cast member, but she was for Beverly Hills, but she was plus size and they just didn't think it would work. How many years ago was that? I'm going to go with like five. That is so lame. Lame! Lame!

I know. Because, I mean, yeah, now it doesn't matter, obviously. No. Like, we want a personality. And I love, I love. So on this trip, they're in St. Lucia. And for the last night, both, whatever, producers organized that they all have to wear these outfits. Like, they're like, you know, feathers. Yeah.

I couldn't believe some of the outfits. I mean, Erika Jayne, tits, under tit, clevelet tip, the tiniest, bows in the tiniest outfit, with the feathers. Now, Jennifer Tilly...

She did a one piece. She was like, I'm not doing a bikini. Kathy Hilton was like, I'm wearing a muumuu. Like, leave me alone. I'm wearing a caftan, like whatever. And then I thought they were, you know, and I guess they do have a party at the end, but then they have to go sit down in these things with the big feathers and all this other stuff. And I am like,

I just couldn't believe, I couldn't. Boze's outfit was pretty skimpy. And then she sat down and had a whole dinner. That's kind of funny. Had a whole dinner and just like a full blown like bikini. Not even that. Like the tiniest bikini. Like a tinier bikini. Can you imagine eating dinner in that outfit? That's one of the things that I'm like,

I mean, a lot of them have the bodies, you know, to do it. But like when like they'd make Salt Lake City's do like, oh, we're doing a bondage and a leather and bondage party as a girls, as a 50 year old girls night. I'm like, what? And nobody wants to do this on their trip. No. But I get it. It's a TV show. So let's get in this feather outfit and take a photo. I would be like, I had five kids. I'm not doing that. No. So, yeah, but.

It was all good. Jennifer Tilly, she's going to stay. She's great. And providing that Sutton also stays so that she can just be like, hi, Sutton! Sutton! Hi, Sutton! I mean, they clearly brought her on because she softens Sutton a little bit. But the net-net is she's unbelievably difficult to be around. She's really hard to get along with. Sutton is. Yes. And uses her money to impress people and

I just, again, it's a company town and she's the dork with money, right? Yeah, but that's why she's not going to go because she does bring some weird conflict and she does say some strange shit. I hope she doesn't go. I love to watch her. What do you think about PK and Dorit? Do you have any insight or theory? I interviewed him a couple years ago. Interviewed who? PK. Okay. And I like him. I think he's really funny.

I think that it's a surprise to me the more I watch the show that they even got married. I just don't see, I don't see that how, I don't get it. Well, I mean, I think they fell in love and, you know, I remember the wedding photos, like Jagger was in the wedding. So I think they were blessed with a pregnancy and then, you know, come back.

continued on. But their personalities do not seem to match at all. And then of course it's been like 15 years so if she met him in her mid-20s or late 20s and now she's 48 she's going to change a lot and then put a show where she's been very famous for 10 years not for being an actor or something but just for her own personal life that involves her marriage and everything. Yeah, it's

It's bad. I don't think they'll make it. Oh, I don't think so either. No. But yeah, I feel like they'll end up on some other show. Together? Maybe together or apart. I don't know. They'll probably... I feel like they'll be in the ether for a while. They're...

I just can't understand how they got married because they feel so their personalities are so dissimilar. So he did. We find out that PK got an invitation to appear on Reunion, which he's done in the past, but did not come this year and like sent a statement that's in the preview. What do you think about that? I think he probably just didn't want to litigate things on the show because these spouses, they have little to no control over how it all goes. And I mean, it's really the narrative of the show is through the wife.

So I think that a lot of these spouses over time, I mean, I remember interviewed John Fuda last year. Of New Jersey. Yeah. I mean, they feel endlessly frustrated. And because it trickles into their lives. Right. Their businesses. Their exes. Their exes, their exes, you know, their children from their first marriages. Yeah. I feel like they get to the point where like, it's not worth it to us. Right. Right.

You know, to defend ourselves, just throw in the towel, like, forget it. Yeah. OK, so let's talk about I talked about this on the previous show. Now everyone has picked it up. People us weekly about Teresa and Louis of Real Housewives of New Jersey. Yes, he owes these taxes well into the two millions. She also has a tax bill herself.

In the 300,000s. While she's doing TikToks dancing to anxiety with a shirt that says my love language is all like Fendi, Louis Vuitton. Yeah, she's dancing to that song. I think someone just said this is a trend and she didn't even put two to two together that maybe she shouldn't be dancing to anxiety. And then there was a clip going around of Gia at the bar, her daughter, and

Teresa and Annie going, I see you're marrying Louie. Do you have a prenup? No, I'm not going to have a prenup. You know, he's got more money than I do. And what we've learned is he bought their home that they live in together and then got a mortgage put in her name. And I don't know what. Question I have is what names are on the deed? I don't know.

That would be a good question. Well, I mean, either, you know, he has it somewhere or he doesn't. So either he works it out and pays it or he has to work out a payment plan and pay it or they have to sell the house or whatever. All of which I said, I think, I think that's juicy. I,

I'm sorry. People go, I don't want to see that. No, people would want to see that. People would want to see if their love will prevail, if she wakes up and leaves him, if he leaves her. Or, you know, how the daughters react. Will the daughters ever come around and go, Mom, maybe Louis isn't who we think he is? Or, like, because even her, even, like, Joe Giudice seems to like him. Like, okay, I just had another vision, and it's not a good one. It's not a good one. I don't think he likes him. Joe Giudice and Louis...

Do one of those pay-per-view boxing things. It's going to happen. I don't think Joe Giudice actually likes them. No way. You know what my prediction is? I just gave Louis the idea. He probably hadn't thought of it yet. I predict. What? That Teresa comes home one day and there's nothing in the house. He's cleaned the house out and he's moved to another country and he never talks to her again. Is that before or after he fights Joe Giudice in a pay-per-view YouTube thing? I'm going to say after boxing. So we do that.

This is going to be like an Unsolved Mysteries where Louis Ruelas just disappeared into the night. And then they're going to have to go through the sequence of events of the first marriage and the second marriage, the wedding, not signing the prenup. And then Hulu Impact does a thing on it. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think it's up there for Netflix. I think it's a Hulu Impact.

It doesn't not surprise you that he's trying to be like a life coach? Of course. He's exactly who he was when he showed up into our lives at the Prayer Warrior weekend. Oh, my God. Yes. But if we watch that show, isn't it sort of like watching seven seasons of Tinder Swindler? Yeah, I mean...

You know, he never could explain what he did. It's, you know, but let's just see. Let's see. I want to see how they're going to get out of it. I want to see how they're going to either make the money, work it out, admit it, say, you know, blame it on the tax guy, blame it on her lawyer that, you know, we always used to see that lawyer. Yeah. That also like helped with brand deals or whatever. I don't even know. Like, I need to know. I feel like she makes the money and then he's spending it.

You know, like they were always on vacations and it got made me sick to my stomach because I thought he's spending her money. They were on vacations, very expensive vacations and, you know, staying at beautiful hotels, taking friends, private jets. And so it's all smoke and mirrors. Yeah. I'm just. Yeah. It's devastating for those girls, I'm sure.

And then what will happen with her outstanding live show appearances? She's got the one on the waves. She does? Yeah, she has Housewives on the Sea. Oh, on the sea. With Shanna Bedore because they kicked off Jennifer Aiden. Wait, is Louis on the sea? Yeah, Jennifer Aiden gets kicked off for bitching about a $10 sandwich. But Louis...

But Teresa owes $3 million with her husband to the U.S. government, but we're going to keep her on the waves or whatever it's called, wives on the waves. And then with Dolores, who has been keeping silent about everything. Remember, her son worked for Louis. Are we ever going to know the truth of what happened there? I know. And then the son just got engaged. I hope that's part of the documentary. So again, she probably wants to protect all that.

Do you want to be on a cruise ship with Louis Ruelas? I mean, I was. I did go out to titter with him one night. I'm just saying the jurisdiction questions when you're out to sea, I would be a little bit concerned.

Yeah, there's a lot of mysteries about people going missing on a cruise ship too that are married. Let's hope that doesn't happen. Do you remember the guy, George, who had just gone on his honeymoon and he was on the cruise ship? And the beautiful blonde wife kind of went to another area of the boat. Dancing with Russians. Yes. And then they heard a bang. Heard the Russian voices. And then there was the blood below. He fell. He went over one balcony, hit someone.

something which caused the blood on another one and then fell into the water right yeah we never knew that was a doozy i don't want anything like that to happen to anybody obviously i have an idea she's supposed to we have an idea yes a game show yes where two people are facing each other like this where you're quizzed on what date lines you know

Just like give a couple details like the murder happened in Iowa. Okay. There's a missing boyfriend and then the contestants have to be like, you know, hit the buzzer, you know.

Mary Jane, blah, blah, blah, 1986, Dateline, Episode 4, Keith Morrison. And you have to say who was the host, when the person died, and give all the details. I think that could be very fun. Right? I think we could do something with that. Wait, you know my other idea? What? Oh, yeah. I think I posted your reel. You did? Okay. Yeah. Well, tell it. It's a game show where...

you are given a friend's boyfriend's picture and name. And while the clock is ticking, you have to find out as much information as possible about them. Because I think the women are so good at that. Right, but obviously it couldn't be a real boyfriend. But it could just be any guy who's willing to let their information be found and then just see...

And then the producers and stuff could hide certain things and see how far and how quick a girl could go. Like we would get everything. Just so you know, he went on a vacation in Jamaica six years ago with that girl named Brittany. And Brittany just posted a meme that says reuniting with someone is a big deal. Like we would go so down that rabbit hole. And so the whole game show is like, how much can you figure out? Right.

And then the person who's dating is like, holy shit. Wait, and then they do like two side-by-sides and he took the girl to the same resort. Yes, yes, yes. That they took the photo on the same place where like everyone probably takes a romantic photo. And so he clearly doesn't have any fresh ideas or whatever. I love that. I love all of it. But look...

Hopefully they can work it out and stay married, but I'm telling you... I'm worried for her. I'm worried for her, too. And I don't know what excuse she's going to give. And I don't know how the tree stumpers or whatever that are her hardcore fans are going to be able to explain this away as they...

are struggling to pay for eggs and pay for their, you know, thing. But do they care about him? They care about her, right? I guess they just love her anyway, but like, we've been through this before. So like, how do you say it's happened again? Like, what is the explanation? You got to come up with an explanation pretty soon of how you're going to rectify this, how it was a misunderstanding. I just want to hear what their response is going to be. And then from there, like,

And now does this make people want to go to her like City Watery Loft shows where she answers questions? And how is she going to blame this on Margaret? If I were, she's got to figure out a way. It's Margaret. Margaret did this. Margaret did this. It's Margaret. It's got to be Margaret somehow had something to do with this. And Melissa and Joe, like she can't blame the three of them.

How does she get out of this and still be genuine to her super fans? I think she has to... If I were a publicist, I'd say make a video and say, guys, you got to help me out. Help a sister out. Come to everything that I'm doing. Come support your girl. But he cannot be in any video ever again. Just keep him somewhere else if you're going to stay with him. And then just say, we are talking to...

Our accountant and our lawyers. We're hoping to rectify the situation. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But I just feel like that's just not her personality. No, it's not. So it's like. It's not going to happen. Yeah. Okay. Business taxes. We're stressing about all the time and all the money you spent on your taxes. This is my bill.

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And as you know, he is in the process of divorcing Brittany or they're close to getting divorced. They have one son who's like four. And he just talks about what we've heard that, you know, he's been drinking and doing coke for 20 years. He did go to a rehab place in the summer and then relapsed in November.

in which that was when Brittany, according, which we'll see on the show, like has like sort of an intervention or tells the producers, like you need to do something. And so then he goes back and then since that second time, I guess he has a hundred plus days of sobriety and he's, but he also says,

I'm kind of boring now. It's like, it's very hard to go to social things. I don't think I'm that fun. And I, you know, and that he is bipolar and ADHD, which when, when you take substances, it's a more likely thing that you might have an addiction issue if you are diagnosed with those things. And so, you know, and like very dedicated to being good dad. And then he's like,

I won't say anything bad about Brittany, but she should have said we should go to counseling. And why did she want to have an, if I'm so bad, why did she want to have a kid with me, you know, two years ago or whatever, trying to get pregnant again? Yeah.

And, you know, I mean, she's going to prevail because we're going to see what a nightmare he was in the episodes. But he's also, you know, if he is really sober and participating, we got to like that. But is that as entertaining as Jack saying, I'm the number one guy in the group and, you know, acting crazy and getting three nose jobs and stealing sunglasses on a Hawaii vacation that they were filming for the show? Yeah.

I don't know, but the show, I think, will still be entertaining. And he's got to be a part of it, whether he's boring or not. Sorry, you've got to face the facts. Your health is more important. I remember when Bronwyn left Orange County, she said to me, because she got sober, she said,

I just worry people won't think I'm fun anymore. I mean, now years later, she'd be like, I can't believe I said that. Right. I think that's probably a very real answer or response that he gave. Like, I'm boring now, but it's not fun to see someone spiraling. And especially when they're a dad, I don't find that very entertaining. I just want to say as someone who does enjoy cocktails.

And on occasion, I'd be at a party where I wasn't drinking for whatever reason. You know, if I drove, I have something else to do. And I can't stay for five hours. Like, if I'm boozing, I'm like, oh, my God, we start the night started at five. We were in the Uber at 1020. Where did the time go? Well, the time went because you had four drinks and dinner and, you know. But when everybody else is drinking and you're not drinking,

A four and a half hour dinner is fucking hell. And I just need to be honest about that. Pregnant almost for nine, ten years straight. So I can say that it is possible because I feel like

through those years. But also you were escaping three and four kids to go be with adults. So you probably loved it. Probably, yeah. But I'm saying as now, as someone that's just like, if you're around with people, it's a challenge. I give it to the people that are doing sobriety or going on a hard 75 or whatever. Like you can do a meal for like two hours or something, but I'm saying like hang out for hours on end

and want to go late, I think it's very challenging. And when you, you know, so I think that's what he was like sort of referring to, like, and having the bar and whatever. Well, I think it's so wrapped up in his identity. And then there's a moment, I guess, in the preview where she finds a thong

And he was like, yeah, at the time I was getting with girls. But that thong is from when we did a bar of like a paid bar crawl. And some somebody gave me a thong. OK, whatever. Yeah. OK, so sure. Oh, speaking of these paid things, I just saw that Hannah from Below Deck and another one of the girls from Below Deck that worked on that. They now are doing their own. Come join us on a catamaran for seven days. OK, great.

with your friends and it's like a mini below deck with them but then you they're not working and they're drinking and you can party and ask them questions i guess for seven days straight seven days is a long time all i want to say is that yeah seven days is a long time to be on a catamaran wait i feel like i get all the information i need in 25 minutes or less so then then you're like what are we talking about now or just imagine being them though we're

Like every day, like, okay. So in episode 12 nightmare, what, what happened when you found the bathing suit with the skin marks? Like, how did you clean that bathing suit? I don't even want to watch these episodes ever again. Do you remember that person that, you know, tried to make out with you on the balcony that was actually the primary, like,

Every single question. I guess if you're a super fan, you should do this. You're welcome. I'm promoting your thing. Does that bother someone like Jill Zarin? Does she want to slam her head against the wall if she has to answer questions about season one? Jill Zarin wouldn't be going. No, but I'm just asking, for these reality stars, is that torture for them? I just think that's where we're going with people who are no longer on these shows. It's going to be you're going to be able to pay people

For their time. Something calm. Yeah. And then, you know, and then walk up to the booth, talk to them. Remember that? Like remember how like the girl, like guys would go into a peep show and instead of a peep show, it's just an old housewife. Hi. Right. You have three questions you could ask me. It's $20 a question. Can you imagine?

Well, they all do it now with the podcast. Okay, listen. Let's talk about the very controversial scene. We knew this was coming. This is White Lotus.

the brothers kissed. Yeah. Patrick Schwarzenegger is the older brother. Then there's a girl, Piper, in the middle. And then there's the 18-year-old brother on White Lotus. And they hinted from the very first episode, people are like, is this going to be an incest storyline? I thought, no, he's probably just fucking with us. Well, the two brothers get...

spoiler alert, get very wasted with these two other girls and one girl sleeps with the younger one while the younger one jerks off the older brother to completion. And we see it. I thought you said you were watching this. No, I didn't see it. I didn't think he did that. He was jerking himself off, wasn't he? No, you didn't watch the whole thing then. No, I didn't realize that. Yes. They made it look like, this is dirty, everybody. They made it look like

He was like they were on the bed next to him and he was getting turned off and pleasuring himself. But no, it was the other way around. And then they both are just acting like it didn't happen. And so there's that very controversial. Very controversial. But I want to say like.

He's got to outdo himself. And I think there's going to be some twists. I do think this was. Who do you think is going to be the person at the end of it? Who is the most diabolical? Because I kind of feel like. It's going to be a surprise. So it's like. It's going to be the manager or it's going to be the woman who kept taking the cell phone from the dad, the Australian woman. Like they give me the creep vibes, but like they're kind of lurking in the back. There's really no point of them.

Yeah. Well, that's what's kind of fun. It's like you can kind of guess, but it's the dark stuff. Okay, so I have a crazy thing. I have a crazy theory, too. I have a crazy theory. It's Mike White. You know, it's such a genius, and they said that he took inspiration from Southern Charm with the character of, you know, Piper No, Tsunami of Parker Posey. Okay, now...

You know, Patrick Schwarzenegger hasn't done that much acting. And the family loved watching White Lotus. And I'm sure she picked up the phone or he told his agent, I'd like to be on White Lotus. I'm a fan of White Lotus. Okay, fine. We'll find a part for you. Whatever. And they get to Mike White and Mike White's coming up with the next thing. And he decides to do this very controversial, incestual sexual situation between two brothers. Mm-hmm.

Being that Patrick Schwarzenegger is the daughter of Maria Shriver, whose mother was a Kennedy, whose mother was brother and sister with John F. Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy, who notoriously had allegedly both slept with Marilyn Monroe and supposedly allegedly even had orgies.

With Marilyn Monroe? With other people around. They'd have orgies. That was the stories of that time. So knowing all that history and then putting Kim, this relative of the Kennedy empire, into a scene. This is my own thing that came up with you two nights ago. Okay. Like I.

Yes, I think that I would not be surprised if I got Mike White in front of me, if that wasn't some that that that was in his head somehow in casting him coming up with it, like all this weird stuff.

Or a total coincidence. I think that although they've said that the Ravenel family is inspiration. From Southern Shawnee. I think the Ratliff-Peterson family in Durham, North Carolina is a huge inspiration. He said the family is from Durham and the family name is Ratliff. And the Ratliff was the first woman that fell down the stairs. Yes. That Michael Peterson may have pushed down.

Right. So I feel like there will be a staircase in this story. And the other thing is the picture in the background always is a sign. And then that painting in the beginning of it, there are a lot of monkeys and there are a lot of shots to monkeys.

So just like something having to do with a monkey and a set of staircase. Yes. I also love that people are like, this is why you don't go on a trip with three girls. I know. And I disagree. I feel like, yes, there is a thing about three. So I always remember this one time.

My sister was like, oh, she was picking up her daughter from a play date. And I witnessed it. She said to the other mom, like, oh, the girls had so much fun. The next time we should invite whatever. And the three of them can play. And the mom goes, hmm.

Threesomes don't work with girls with playdates. No. It is hard. And it was just very firm. I'm saying that. And I was like, oh my God. But you have boys. I have four girls. I'm telling you, it is gnarly when three little girls are together. It's awful. Yeah. And I mean, I do think he's portraying this threesome friendship brilliantly with the girl who's the actress who's also paying for the trip.

So she should be able to, I don't care, you know, fuck who she wants and they should take it to the grave because she paid for the trip. Sutton. Yeah. She paid for the trip. So like, I love that the other girls annoyed the divorce lawyer, but you know,

But she's also like, I can't really be pissed because we're on this trip and she's picking up the bill. Is it going to come back at all that Parker Posey and Leslie Bibb's character do know each other? Yes, because he doesn't drop everything. Why would he drop that? It's going to come back. Everything will be put together. And for those that are watching the show, yeah, there's a moment where one of the three girls that are on the trip come up to Parker Posey

who's part of like the Duke family, like the Southern family, and was like, I met you at so-and-so's bridal shower, baby shower or something. And she's like, no, wasn't me. No. And it also could have just been that she's just like,

So high on stuff she doesn't remember and she doesn't want to try to remember somebody that's insignificant. That might be too easy. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's something else. Anyway, it's juicy. It's got us talking. Okay. This is from TMZ. Kanye West is sued for copyright infringement because of his support for Nazis.

Yes, all of his Nazi-wearing stuff. Someone actually owns the copyright of that. Some German musician. They can all go away. It is so disgusting. And I just want to say that at this point, Kim...

I am losing some respect for you. Like, you have got to use all your power and say... No, I think I read that. You cannot see your dad anymore. I think I read that. She is per sweet full custody. And here, let's watch Schindler's List. Let's watch every movie if you don't understand what it is. And your dad is sick for somehow thinking that this is okay. Yeah.

Like, what is going on? We cannot forget about the worst thing that happened to the world in the last hundred years. Like, what is... I know. So, no. Like, I feel so badly I've said that. I've said that even before this. But this wasn't one time. He's been doing this for years about Jewish people. So he is disgusting and...

I would do everything it took now at this point to be like, I don't want my kids around him until he is somehow not pushing this agenda. Yeah. Do you remember too when he had that school? We didn't talk enough about that. All the people that worked for him when he was doing his Christian concerts, all those people had to send their kids there. They had no choice and there was like no education. Yeah. Yeah.

Remember when Jada and Will had a school rep? Yeah. Where are those exposés? You know what? Why isn't someone making a documentary about those stories?

I don't know, but I have another theory, another story that popped up as I was driving over here. It's an old, weird story. Jerry Seinfeld, you know, he, we all know he dated a 17 year old. He dated for four years. He Shoshonda. And then they broke up. He dated her from like 38 to 42 or whatever. And she was like, she was whatever. Met her senior year. I'm sure they never kissed until she was 18, whatever. Then years later,

His current wife, she had just gotten married to somebody else, had a big, fancy, fabulous wedding, country club wedding, went on her honeymoon, went to the gym literally two weeks after the marriage and met Jerry and fell in love with him, ended her marriage very quickly, very quickly to the first husband. And now they've been together, have three kids, been together like 23 years. So clearly that's meant to be whatever. Yeah.

But let's just think about the parents of the first husband that Jessica married.

Awful. Do you think that they could ever watch a Seinfeld and enjoy it? No. But they're incredibly wealthy. So I think that they're probably living the good life. So we don't need to worry about them. The parents of her first husband. It was like theater money. Like bonkers money. So you know what? Maybe he married another fabulous girl and it was a blip in their life. I think he did. So maybe they can enjoy an episode of Seinfeld. I'm just imagining if someone did this to one of my children. Mm-hmm.

And I like and that was my favorite show. And then I was just like, oh, like music or whatever, when you love a song and then you realize the person's like a pedophile or disgusting person. I feel like. Can you still rock out? The learning lesson is don't throw an over the top wedding. You never know what will happen.

Right. Yeah. Oh, you were talking about Chris Humphries the other day. Oh, so Graydon Carter, who was the editor of Vanity Fair, wrote this new book out when the going was good. And in it, he talks about how a staff member had come to him and said, you should do an article about Meghan Markle. He said, I don't know who that is.

She's on suits. He said, it's still not reading. I don't know what you're talking about. And she said, well, she's going to marry Prince Harry. So they send the reporter out. I can remember where I was when I read the whole piece. Beautiful cover photo. And the reporter said that she seemed annoyed that the reporter kept asking questions about Prince Harry. And she had said.

Aren't you going to ask me about my philanthropies and my charitable work? And Graydon Carter said there was a quote from him saying, like, she's somehow detached, dis...

Disattached from reality. Like, why aren't you talking about me? Why are you so interested in this boyfriend of mine who happens to be a prince? And it reminded me of... Why are you asking about Princess Diana, Drew Barrymore? Go on. Why? Yeah. So it reminded me of when I did legal PR and I represented the law firm that was representing Chris Humphreys. And he, of course...

There was a 72-day divorce after their big wedding, which you, of course, attended. So I remember Good Morning America, I believe, booked Chris Humphries with his – I think it was like his grandmother. And he was so upset that they kept asking him questions about the divorce. And he was like, I thought you invited me here to make my Rice Krispie recipe with my mom. Yeah.

And there is the level of celebrity that it's like they think that they're so famous in their own right. They're like, why are you asking me about this? It's like, that's the only reason you're here. Like, that's the story we're chasing. The other stuff doesn't matter. But yeah, I love that quote from Graydon Carter. It's kind of funny. Well, Meghan Markle, there was a video with...

recently with Gwyneth Paltrow. I saw that, yeah. And Gwyneth Paltrow is pretending to do a live in where she's pretending to read questions. We're like, didn't you have a beef with Meghan Markle? And she's like, what? Why would you think that? And they zoom over and there's Meghan. So we know that Meghan has a new podcast coming out called Confessions of a Female Founder. Right. So then she's probably got Gwyneth Paltrow, owner of Goop, as her guest. And it's like,

I don't know. I feel like people... Who is she going to be interviewing? I think probably half are going to be people that came from a knot of privilege and nepotism and everything else, but knew how to make light gold jewelry and could stack a bracelet. And they worked hard at night because at one time their website crashed and it was hard. And you can't wait to hear these stories. But I'm just...

Yeah. I think what you're saying is, let me hear the story of the person that was living on sandwiches for a year and had 30 bucks in there. You know what would be good? That couple that just sold, what is it, the poppy drink? Oh, the poppy drink. That would be a good interview. Pepsi just bought this poppy drink, which was kind of interesting because this, you know, it's like a five calorie soda. And I guess Pepsi wanted to get into the business of people drinking healthier sodas. So they bought it.

And probably that deal was already just inches from closing when Poppy got some bad press because for the Super Bowl, they sent Poppy vending machines to these big influencers. And then some angry people, whatever, started to write like, now what are you going to do with those vending

vending machines and it's such a waste. And I'm like, why don't you make them into sustainable fashion? I don't know. But like, I was like, what do you want them to do? And they had to like apologize or say, no, we are going to pick up the vending machine. I don't even know, but they got this bad press probably going, Oh my God, we have to act concerned about this. Or maybe they were concerned and thinking some angry tweets was going to make their, their, their,

$10 million, whatever, billion dollar Pepsi deal go away. But it didn't. It didn't. It didn't matter that some people were mad on TikTok about the, you know, now Pepsi bought it. But I think it was like a couple that bet on this and they had like $30,000 that they took out to invest. Like, that's a great story. Right. But I feel like that's a great story. I don't know. I feel like we've heard a lot of these. Like, of course, they'll have the Spanx girl.

Right. You know, I'm sure she'll get Kim on there and it's fine. You know, let her do what she has to do. The husband is not going to the husband. The prince is not making money. So it's like his ideas for podcasts were to go and he was like, I have this idea. I'd like to interview Putin and Trump and say, why are you a sociopath that I'm not?

Like it was like the weirdest ideas ever. He should stick to what he's good at. What is he good at? Shaking hands and holding babies. I know, but there's no point of that now that he's in Santa Barbara. I feel like you hire him for an event and he walks through, you know, a chain of people. Pumpkin patch at Montecito. Exactly. That's what he's good at.

I mean, he can't run for mayor because he's not an American citizen. Yeah, I don't think he would care to do that anymore. Or I guess he could. He just couldn't run for president. I honestly think he likes just piddling around in the garden. Yeah, I don't think he has a huge work ethic, which is fine. As long as he supports her, let her be the breadwinner. Let people... I think he has said that. If you don't want to watch Meghan Markle make a rainbow out of fruit,

Then don't. But if your best friend does, let them. If your best friend wants to listen to The Owner of Spanx be interviewed for the umpteenth time on a podcast by Jay Shetty, me, or Meghan Markle, let them. Let them. Do you think that...

Sarah Blakely is ever like, I don't know how many more podcasts I can do to talk about this. I don't know how many more times I can talk about the fact that I had to wear a pair of white pants one day and cut the feet off of my nylons. Did you ever see the sneakers she made with the heel? No, but I guess. What? I think I've heard about it. You need to look at it.

You know how you go to Target and you just took a picture of that ugly t-shirt with a bra? It was just totally a sister wives knockoff. Yeah. I beg of you to look at the sneaker with a heel. Okay. I beg of you. Okay. Okay. Remy Bader, who was this huge, very popular. I feel bad I said the word huge, but she was a very popular person.

You know, salt of the earth. Everyone loved her. Very pretty. Plus size influencer. Okay. Who was all about, you know...

I like that, you know, I like my body. I'm like no size two or whatever. Just like, oh, by the way, she's skinny now too. What's her name? Megan Trainor. She's gone on the Ozempic train as well. Anyway, this girl, I think maybe dabbled in the Ozempic, but then she now has admitted that she really got the bod by going old fashioned,

Carny Wilson, you know, gastric bypass, whatever. Oh, okay. Or sleeve or whatever it is. Which again, thanks for being honest. It's there. Take it. You're happy. Who cares? So it's very interesting, like, because we have the ability through surgery or a lot less expensive, you know, we can be thin, right?

People can be thin that were never thin before. And the thin people or the people that are angry that they're losing their plus size sisters, whatever,

You're not going to win this fight. If you can't beat him, join him. And get a needle out and go for it. I don't know. Who cares? I just want everyone to be healthy. Like, who cares? Whatever that is. And if you don't want to go on it because you don't want to take anything, then that's fine, too. Like, it's like, who cares? Yeah. But anyway, so it wasn't just Ozempic, though. But the thing about that thing that always intrigued me back from, like, watching Oprah was...

is the way that old school would work, maybe they've changed it, is so your stomach would shrink so you couldn't eat as much, much like gozempik where you just weren't hungry.

But with certain people, all of a sudden now they're thin and they're attractive and they're getting attention. But also now they're at bars and then they would drink and then they would get really drunk really fast and they're getting attention. So they would become, I remember watching Oprah on this, they became extremely promiscuous.

Because they were getting attention. They had a skinny body. And then also they were getting wasted off of like two drinks because they're...

Sorry, because her stomach has shrunk so much. God, can't we have anything? So, like, you just have to be careful. I'm just saying. You just have to be careful about this. Do you think they have these discussions in the doctor's office? You might be a little bit promiscuous. Well, I mean, it's a whole other life. I mean, now people are being really honest. Like, oh, my God. Like, people treat me differently. And, you know, I can get free dry cleaning now. I can flirt. Like, I have people.

People open the door for me. I mean, it's true. It's like it's very interesting. I never understood people that berated other people for going on Ozumbic because for somebody who can't lose weight, that food noise is awful. Like it's a consistent paralyzing thing. So why wouldn't you want someone to be free of that? It's the greatest thing that I think has come around since the iPhone. Yeah. These things. Yeah.

So providing we don't all realize it's like flowers for Algernon and then all of a sudden we're 700 pounds and it does like a reverse effect. But they've been around longer than we think. There's a lot of people that were on them on the DL for like seven, eight years that are still doing great, that microdose, that do it for a couple months, then go off for a year and a half, then go on a couple months and are fine. Right.

Some people that can afford to stay on a very low dose forever and like they're maintaining their weight and it's working for them. And we're not taking it from diabetics anymore. They've figured out a way. And like it'll be really interesting to see like, you know, if.

If as a country, enough people go on it and we actually get to a place that there isn't such an obesity problem, that then actually health care and everything can like catch up to it and everybody can be better. So less strain on the health care. Yeah. But it's just interesting that this invention came so quickly after the push for

plus size body positivity and people that wrote songs. I ain't no size two. She's thin, you know, Kelly Clarkson's thin Lizzo's thin people that we identified as like plus size, fabulous, that girl next door, you can relate, you know, and then people that, that,

sometimes I get mad about it. Sometimes it's, it's the, the people that are like, you know, I don't know. It's just, it's just an interesting thing. And I'm all, I'm all for it. Nikki, people sent this to me because they're like, didn't she say this a couple of years ago? Yes. Nikki was on Fallon or something. And she said what I said a couple of years ago, the people that are mad are

are the ones that are naturally thin. And this was something that they could easily do. And now their friend who is, you know, always had a gorgeous face is now also thin. And it's like, they're like, it's my special power. And I just want to say my one friend who said this to me, honestly,

Even once I said this, two years ago, she goes, yeah, I'm that person. I'm that skinny bitch that's pissed. I go, why are you pissed? She goes, because it was the one thing that came easy to me. She's like, what if all of a sudden I can't just take a shot and sing like Adele? And she was joking. But I was like, I do think that's in the mind of some people, of the ones that were bitching. But I also feel like the people that were bitching were the ones that didn't want to go on it, that were seeing their friends lose weight.

And they were like, wait, I thought we were all going to be like this size together. And it's just such a weird thing. Everybody just needs to be healthy. The first season of Real Housewives of Orange County. Yeah. When Vicky was horrified when Lori started eating George because then she's so jealous. Yes. Or if like Sutton, they hired somebody on the cast who had equal, if not more money.

Are you really happy for someone else when someone else has all that money? People thought that, I remember you talk about classic cases of OC. That was the whole thing when Shannon Bedore showed up and had a very nice house comparable to Heather Dubrow's. Same neighborhood, actually. Yeah. Is Heather Dubrow not going to like her?

And I don't think Heather Durow really cared. But like that was like, let's see if we can get under someone's skin. Yeah. You know, that's similar, you know, to whatever. How are you feeling about The Baldwins? You know, his money, his trailer, the trailer for the Rust movie is coming out. Oh, wow. The movie is coming out for Alec Baldwin. I have no intention of ever seeing that movie, but I have subjected myself to watching episodes of that show. The Baldwins. The Baldwins.

And the daughters featured a lot, the 12-year-old. I mean, clearly they're hoping to make her a star. Right. She's probably going to have a YouTube or something deal. Yeah. Ilaria, Hillary, really believes herself to be a major movie star in the making. And he's a curmudgeon. And I think he feels like he owes her because she stood by him all this time. But I mean, she's so predominant in the show and you're just sort of like,

It would be like a show about Chris Humphries. You're like, why? This is not what we signed up for. We want to see Kim's life. We don't want to see this guy's life. It's the same thing. Right. Too much.

I've only really watched clips, I'll be honest. I just don't care. But when I see a clip together, I am fascinated by the whole thing and where it's going. Well, watch the red carpet clips that they did from Planet Hollywood. I talked about the red carpet thing of her being like, no, when I'm talking, you're not talking. When I'm talking, you're not talking. But I kind of respect that now they've kind of made fun of it themselves. They're doing videos where they're mouthing themselves and they're sort of like... So I'm like, well...

But then now I feel like, hey, if they can make fun of it and roll with it, then I think that's a pretty good sign that maybe they can become likable. But she's still a liar who pretended to be Spanish. I don't take it as they're – like it's a joke. I think she absolutely hates him. Yeah.

And I think she's like, I should be a TV star. Why is this not happening? Remember, he threw fits with paparazzi, took his picture, and then he starts dating her. And then all of a sudden they're showing the nursery for the new baby. And she's got a role as a correspondent on Access Hollywood or something. And you're like, wait, I'm sorry, what now? Right. So, yeah, it's weird.

It is. By the way, did you, you didn't watch the show that much, but do you remember that when the whole Spanish gate happened, that they took pictures of them by horses, like in their backyard? No. Well, I do. And it was like the first photos of, you know, Ilaria and Alec. And when you watch the show, you realize that there was no way a photographer could ever get access to their backyard. Like they're very much in...

in bed with photographers setting stuff up. Well,

Well, I think he's been in the business long enough that, like, yeah, they probably have a good team that, you know, instructs them to say what to do or whatever. Yeah. Kate, thank you so much for coming on. Tell everybody where they can catch all your good shows and what you think we should be watching this week. Okay. Reality Life with Kate Casey podcast. Sign up for my what to watch list. I tell you what to watch in unscripted TV. So reality shows, documentaries, go to katecasey.substack.com.

And I have a Facebook group and bonus episodes. This week, the thing to watch, I think, is called Con Mom. And it's on Netflix. And it's about a British pastry chef who was reunited with his mother at age 45. And she turned out to be a complete grifter. So that's definitely one to watch. That's Netflix. That's Netflix. I'll tell you what is coming down the pipeline, which you are going to watch.

Lose your mind over. Okay. It's the story of Piper Raquel. Remember the YouTube influencer? And she has this diabolical mom who was sort of a manager for a group of kids. Oh, yes. I do remember that. It's the whole back story on that. Niles Capello, who's a great executive producer, has been working on that since 2018.

And all of these kids are coming forward now and talking about what was really happening behind the scenes. And do you know what that's on? That's on April 9th. And I have never seen my teenage daughter get more excited about something because she knows we watched reality shows all these years. But our kids like your kids, they know all the YouTube people. Oh, so for them, that's like it's like their Super Bowl.

And okay, so do you know what network that is? It's on Netflix. Oh, okay. It's called, I believe, Bad Influencer. Well, awesome. Yeah. And follow Kate.

On your Instagram. Oh, yeah. At KKCCA. Yeah. Thank you so much. And of course, go to my Patreon. I actually have a juicy story about when I worked with Garcelle that you might find interesting. I wanted to say for Patreon. Anyway, so that's at HeatherMcDowland.net. It's every Friday, plus other special bonus episodes on different tiers and all of that.

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