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Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. So much Juicy Scoop to talk about. I have a new guest. You might be familiar with her. She has a huge YouTube channel. You are a former editor-in-chief of Star Magazine, so you're always up with the hot gossip. Shallon Lester, welcome to Juicy Scoop. I've been following you for a while, so a Jacques Lester.

recommended you. I was like, oh, I know who she is. And then we had a fun conversation on the phone over the weekend kind of talking about what we talked about. But then I was like, wait, save it for the show. Save it for the pod. Save it.

So welcome. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, we were on a good Yap Fest this weekend. I was like, we got to save the magic for the show. And then when you're like, we could be friends because we both, so you have, you favor a side of your face. Yes. My left side is my good side. Yours is your right. This means we can be friends. So this studio that we have that we're using right now with the couches is favoring my good side. Have

Have you ever had the kind of horror that I've had when you've walked in to do someone else's show, whether it's TV or YouTube or whatever, and you are not...

on the good side because that's the side of the host and you just know you're gonna hate it yeah I know I look like a shoe from the other side like there are no photos of this side of my face I'm like the Phantom of the Opera and it I have walked in I've been like why are you doing this to me like my agent should have told me somebody should have warned me and then I just want to like sit completely the opposite way and just like face the wall you'll and what is weird is that to someone that doesn't live in your face

They don't know what you're talking about. No. Why you favor one side so much. And, but...

In my particular case, when I have been shot from the other side, people are like, she looks like shit. I don't think that's true. They do say it. They say it in the comments. They're like, what the fuck happened to her? And I'm like, I've been controlling the camera for years. That's how it's been. I mean, like, I am controlling the camera. Yes, I know. I agree. I think that people act like they don't see the shoe on the other side. I'm like, I know that you do. I know that you do. Don't lie to me. Don't gaslight me.

Okay, we have so much to discuss, but an exciting thing happened over the weekend. I feel it's exciting because Joe Rogan, who is the king of podcasting, who I have often said...

You know, Joe Rogan has made it possible for all of us. And by really putting podcasting on the map, of course, some people don't like a show, don't like him, whatever. He's the biggest one that has it. I knew him from back in the day of doing stand up at the comedy store. But it's not like we run in circles, been friends. I've never been on a show. But he has talked about this incident that happened to me a couple of years ago.

when I fainted at the Tempe Improv right at the beginning of my set on the Saturday night of a two-night show so I'd already done two shows on Friday Saturday came out and and did it and um and so I'm gonna play what he said so you can hear it and it's a it was the top of his like three-hour podcast that he dropped on Saturday so a lot of people let me know about it and um

And it is interesting, and I have actual new thoughts. Even though I've talked about this a few times, I've shared my thoughts on stage. Let's just – I'm going to let you hear what he says.

When this girl Heather McDonald blacked out on stage while she was making jokes about being vaccinated and then she blacks out and cracks her skull, have you seen that? Yes. Legitimately. It was the first time in my life where I was like, there's no way. I was like, they're fucking with us. Yeah. They're just fucking with us. That can't be so dead on. This is like God is a script writer.

Like, how is that a real thing that that's a video where someone is, she didn't do it when she was making fun of her boyfriend. She didn't do it when she was talking about idiots in traffic. It was when she was talking about the vaccine and how, you know, I even still got my period. So Jesus loves me more. Like, there's no way it's too good. The timing was exquisite.

You couldn't have, if you had a movie where that was a scene, you could not have scripted or timed it any better. Where you would tell her, and drop. There's no way. I started legitimately wondering then. And I know that's a stupid example. I'm very aware of it. Like, you fucking moron. All the things in the world, there's plenty of examples. Jesus loves me the most. Look at this.

Oh my God, you went down. And the audience is laughing. Probably the best laugh she got all night, right? It's a big move. It's a big move. You know, if you're a pratfall person, no one expects it. Like, ah, that's hilarious. If it goes with the bit, you know. And it's timed perfectly, absolutely. What's that quote? God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. And he was like, wow, I've never heard that. That's amazing. So I was like, God, I mean.

Listen, for the people that have been following you forever and, you know, but the way this business is, you can be quite successful as a podcaster, as a YouTuber. And the average Joe walking down the street doesn't know who you are and doesn't follow you. And especially when comedy is...

You know, you like who you like because you watch a person and you're like, they're relatable to me. So is the majority of my audience women? Yes. Probably Joe Rogan's audience does not go, I got to listen to Juicy Scoop. I love Heather McDonald. Whatever. There's some, I'm sure, that have a wife. There's a little bit. Yes. I'm getting more like husbands and stuff coming because they're wise listening. They're like, oh, I like what you say, which is always like.

bugs me because that means more to me that like a straight man thinks I'm funny. I'm like, really? No, we're all just pick-me's at the end of the day. You know, we have our little pick-me areas. Right. So anyway, I appreciate that he, you know,

But I feel like he doesn't really know where I am in life because he's like, it's not about her boyfriend. But I also like to think that you think I'm so young to have a boyfriend when I've been married 25 years. Yeah, first thing he said is this girl. I was like, what? I know, this girl and not about her boyfriend. I'm like, maybe he doesn't remember that we talked a few times a million years ago at the comedy store. I don't know. But, you know, he's talked about this a lot because it really did make an impression on him of like,

What the fuck is going on with the matrix with simulate whatever is God. And when I did fate, which I'll just say quickly again, I had lunch with my son who was at ASU at the time. He's still there, but he was a freshman or sophomore at the time. And.

we went shopping at Nordstrom's and we had lunch at like 2.30. And so I just want to say it wasn't because I didn't eat. It was February, so it wasn't like it was so hot that I passed out because I was hiking in the, you know, Phoenix mountains. And it was...

So that was all really weird. I had never fainted before. What were you going to say? People who might not know comedy and what it takes, because it's the most terrifying thing people can imagine. It's the number one fear of Americans. It is not so strenuous that if you do it three days in a row, you will faint. Right. It's not like she ran through.

- And this is just what's gonna happen. Like you don't need to pay. You were at Nordstrom's before that. - And I wasn't, you know, this is my crowd that paid. It's not like it was my audition to be at the Star of the Montreal Comedy Festival and this was 20 years ago, which I would get my nerves more up about. So I was really excited, you know, happy to do the show. It was right at the beginning of my act.

because it was second year of COVID or I don't even know what season of COVID we were in. And I had gotten all the vaccines and I was just coming out, grabbing some low hanging fruit jokes about COVID. COVID jokes killed because everybody on the earth could relate to a COVID joke. Of course. And I also want to say, yes, I got vaccinated, but I never judged anybody who didn't. I had friends who got the fake cards. I didn't get vaccinated. So I

And we can coexist and who cares? If you were honest with me, which I had friends who were, I was like, cool. Yeah. But anyway, I did because for me, I was like, I'd wake up after going out at night before the vaccine and I'd be like, can I still smell? Yeah. I have to this day never gotten COVID. So when it happened, I woke up, I was like, oh my God, what happened? I was, you know, in shock, whatever. And I talk about it on stage. It's kind of like a longer, funny story. But anyway,

I did not think until later, like, wow, it came after this joke that I said about that. I was just more like, what is this? And right off the bat, Dr. Drew, who we've been friends with for a while, saw it online because we all follow each other. He reached out to my husband who was in L.A. And he's like, when did she get her booster? Because I say in the longer video, I've been double vaxxed, boosted, flu shot, and I got the first shingle shot because I'm kind of old.

And I go, but I still got my periods. And I go, and I've never had COVID, so clearly Jesus loves me the most. Yes. Not a hilarious joke. Nothing. Just getting the crowd knowing that if they come up to me after... Yes. I've gotten vaccinated. You won't get it from me. You can't blame it. I'm not patient zero. Whatever. And so... And then I was going to get to the juice. You don't usually start out with the strongest joke. So that also bothered me that people would watch the clip and think I'm not that funny, but whatever. No. So then...

So then when that happened, then it was still really weird. Nobody really wanted to talk to me about it. Or if I was asked about it on the red carpet, that never made the thing because it was like you can't talk about the vaccine or any kind of stuff about it. Now that it's so out and open...

And watching Joe kind of analyze this, that it's made such a weird impression on him. Yes, I want to say I do think it's very interesting. First of all, I do believe in God. Yeah. I was raised Catholic. I do believe in Jesus. I do pray. And you're a manifester because you told me on the phone you are obsessed with fainting. And you were like, this is where you use your manifesting juice. Well, there's two things that I saw. Okay.

One was, I believe I did an episode with Josh Flagg a few years ago because someone brought it up and I said, I have a fainting fantasy. I might have even written it in a book. I'm not sure where, because then somebody in the comments of his thing had a quote for me and they said 2011. And it was like, I have a fainting fantasy where if I faint, I don't know where they got it. I don't know if they got it from an episode of Chelsea Lately or my book because 2011, I didn't have the podcast yet.

And that I was just like, yeah. But also in the writer's room, I came across papers because I just moved. And Jen Kirkman had put all this funny stuff, crazy stuff people had said in the writer's room over the years.

And we printed it out and I kept it in a file. And I looked at the paper recently and it said, I have a fainting fantasy. We're all faint and it'll be in front of a crowd and people will be like, oh, is she okay? And I'm like, no, I just forgot to eat that day. And so it's crazy that I said it at one time, not once but twice.

you know, either on the show or in a book or in a writer's room or a few times. And I didn't think about that when it happened either. I was just like, do I have like some brain tumor? Right. It's actually not that sexy. No, like it's very embarrassing. But I didn't get paid. Everyone got their money back. I had to come back, redo the show. Some people came back. Some people was like, fuck it.

90% of my audience that was there was like traumatized and like lovely about it. It was kind of traumatic for my son who witnessed it, who was there watching me, you know. And but anyway, like, yeah, I do think I do. And people really got mad that I said so clearly, clearly Jesus loves me the most. I joke because I've also said in my act, if you've been following me a long time.

Do your Christian service, you know, and I'll joke and be like, oh, I tagged you. It's my Christian service for the day. As someone who went to Catholic school, they always are like, did you get your Christian service out? So I like joke about it. So it all came from that. But from people that are very conservative, they think that I'm like mocking God from that clip and that God like came down and flicked me and didn't like that I was joking. But now I feel with Joe, maybe people will be like, wait, maybe...

Jesus actually did take this opportunity or God to get the conversation going because this was a clip that was used. It has been used by other people. I don't even know how many times, like a hundred million times. And I'm like, I said to my husband, I go, maybe this should be pinned at the top of my Instagram because I'm like, I don't think I've like utilized it enough. And anyway, um,

Joe Rogan, I love your show. I love what you've done for podcasting. I love how many people you've featured. I would love to come on and talk about it with you. I will fly down to Austin. I think we'd have a juicy conversation about being parents and what our kids think of our acts and our podcasts. There's so many things we could discuss. And so there you go with that. But that is...

Interesting. And every time I think it's like done, it's kind of not because the conversation comes up and it is poetic timing. It is religious timing. It is crazy that it happened right now.

That moment. And I do think you were like God's messenger or like Mother Nature's messenger to start these conversations. And the fact that, I don't know, you say like some people are conservative and that's why they were triggered. There is just a per capita representation of just professionally triggered people on the left, on the right, in the middle, whatever. That they're like, they can take a joke about Judaism. They can take a joke about Islam.

you know, left-handed people or whatever, but you can't come for their particular corner of the world. Suddenly they have no sense of humor. And also it always bummed me out because I was like, oh my God, do you know how much money I've spent? I got married in the Catholic church. I was raised in the Catholic church. I went to 12 years of Catholic school. All of my kids went to Catholic school.

So I'm like, for people to then write like, oh, I'm like some lefty libtard, you know, which is rude to say about anybody. But like, because that I was like saying I got the, you know, and then I got the vaccine and you should too. That wasn't it at all. But, you know, everyone has a right to their opinion. But I will say it has absolutely done nothing with furthering my career. Absolutely fucking nothing. But you don't know that. And this is the thing.

I don't think it has. I have not seen a bump from my faint. Sorry. You don't know that. And this is the thing with like our career and cancel culture, like what seems like the worst thing that can happen or even like a net neutral event. It's like, all right, I fainted. I had to give everyone's fucking money back. You just don't know the butterfly effect it has down the line. Like Joe talking about it. I mean, if I'm the reason that.

People are doing things now or whatever, good or bad, or how you feel about it. Now, I mean, you might be mad at me because you might not like where we are in the vaccination world, maybe because of my faint. I don't know. All I know is that this happened to me. How is someone personally offended by you fainting? Like, are these people on drugs? How is someone offended by your personal life experience? And this is the thing with anyone getting canceled and just talking about, hey, I like living here. I didn't enjoy this. I do like this. Like,

How does that affect their life's outcomes day to day? Like, is you fainting the reason their husband's leaving them or the reason they've got four DUIs? Make it, like, put these pieces together. And then I just want to say that happened on a Saturday. I flew home.

On a Sunday, I think, or a Monday, but I put out the show on Tuesday. I got into my studio. I wore sunglasses. I told the story. I got there because I was like, I do not want people because my job and my livelihood that supports my company, my family, everything that my husband and I have worked for.

is me being cognitive. So I literally got and was like, I don't know why this happened. I don't have something wrong with me. And then I had awful other podcasters that were my friends at one time, then went on their show to say, maybe she has brain damage. Maybe that's what's wrong with her. Oh, maybe you have brain damage. Jeff Lewis said that on serious radio. And of course no one will ever serious. Nobody has ever apologized. Nothing. But I'm just saying, that's what I then had to fight against. So,

Thank God it didn't have lasting effect on my career, though someone was trying to make it look like I was mentally or physically not okay. Nothing's happened since. I did recover. Nobody really knows why that happened. And people could argue it could be you never know what it is. And, you know, it doesn't necessarily mean there's a correlation. But do I now think, yeah, I do think I do think.

I added significantly to the conversation. You absolutely did. And it's these things that at the time seemed so random or insignificant or planned or whatever that turned out to be so much more significant and a jumping off point for a larger conversation. This episode of Juicy Scoop is brought to you by Booking.com, Booking.yeah. Every time I use Booking.com to find a place to stay in the U.S., I know they'll have exactly what I'm looking for.

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um you know that you worked in with star magazine with the tabloids and all of that and then what happened between leaving that starting your own youtube and then you even had a moment of cancellation so why big moment why don't you tell us about that i was a star magazine until 2019 i got laid off and i'd had my youtube channel and did you get laid off because just people were not buying physical magazines anymore was that a big layoff

I had survived in seven years of that company 14 rounds of layoffs because it's poorly run. They don't listen to their audience. They don't follow a narrative with the celebrities that they write about. It's like one week Kate Middleton's anorexic, the next she's pregnant with triplets. I'm like, just pick a fucking storyline and take it through a whole season, right? Stop switching up the characters. If this is what you believe, follow it out.

So I think I was also just getting a little bit uppity over there. I was encouraging people, take your full lunch break. You don't need to check your emails on the weekends. I was kind of that Martha Ray person. So I think finally the hatchet swung to me. And it was like a fainting on stage at the time. I'm like, why is this happening? This is terrible. But I was able to put my energy full time towards YouTube and it took off.

And yeah, I was blowing up as a YouTuber until lockdown, until quarantine, when I got canceled, when everyone was coming for the sassy white chicks on the internet. What happened? Well, creators were like, we're going after her. We're going to find things on her. And the things they found were things I had said in my YouTube videos that I edited and put on the internet on purpose recently. It wasn't like...

The smoking gun, the big smoking gun was a tweet 10 years prior to that saying I had a sex dream about Justin Bieber. So they declared that I was a pedophile.

posted my address on Twitter, which is, it trended number three. Shawn Mendes DM'd me. He's like, I've never heard of you. I don't know why this is happening to you. I'm so sorry. This is crazy. I was like, Shawn, I just hope it never happens to you. And three days later, people canceled him. What did he get canceled for? Like, nothing. He's like, I like sushi. And they're like, racist. Like, nothing. Like, nothing. Shawn is the most... It was just a crazy time because people were bored and at home and angry. But,

Okay, so I want to just interrupt for one second because I will say, and I've said this too, so when Justin Bieber was just first coming up, I was working on Chelsea Lately, and he was this cute little adorable boy, right? And I think he was maybe 14 when he came on the show. And we're always coming up with bits.

And this was like 15 years ago. And myself, I think Sarah Colonna and Jen Kirkman, who's the one who wrote me, wrote the notes of saying, we say, I have a fainting fantasy. We dressed in like sexy outfits and he was in the green room and we were like, hey,

And we joked about it after, like a few years later, like, ew, that was like so wrong and inappropriate. Like he was like a kid. He went along with it. He was super professional. And then he gets sits down and like flirts with Chelsea where Chelsea was not flirting back, which good for her that she wasn't. And, um, but that was just...

It was just like a thing. It's a joke, dude. It's a joke. It was a thing. But people were pointing at that. So then that comes out. So then what's the fallout of people discovering the tweet about your dream? Yeah. And I did not apologize. I'm not an apologizer. And I saw how many people who were getting canceled had these like groveling, pathetic apologies. And it just was more chum in the water. It just made people go after them harder. Yeah.

And I was like, "If you don't like me, fuck you. Don't watch. I don't care. I'm not sorry for anything I've ever said or done. If you don't like it, don't watch. You're not even paying to be here on my YouTube channel. You're like eating the samples at Costco and then kicking over the stand. It's like, leave! What are you doing?" So that, people didn't like that. I'm glad that I didn't apologize. I was kind of one of the first people, certainly the first, one of the first women to get canceled to be like, "Go fuck yourself. Like, I don't care. It's not going to make this better."

And it did not. So my address was trending. And that's when you were in New York. I was in Southern California with my mom, locked down. But I was living in New York. I'd kind of gotten stuck out here. And I had to call the FBI because I'm like, I don't know what to do. There's death threats. I don't know.

I don't know what to do. Like this, this career we're on and especially cancellation, it's a frontier and there's no rules. So when people talk about death threats, because I told you the phone, I go, I have been a little bit like, all right, let's not be overly dramatic. What were yours that brought enough concern that it wasn't just a comment, like you should die, you're gross. Like how severe was it? Was it one particular person that

kept writing you or what was it? I was trying not to look at it because it was so awful, but I was having like my team look at it and they're like, it seems like people are making plans and coordinating things. Like it seemed like it was taking on more of a life of its own. So yeah, I called the FBI, went in there several times. They assessed the threats and they're like, listen,

There's not 30,000 viable threats, but there's enough. And so you need to move. You've got to get out of your mother's house immediately. Go get your stuff from New York. Never go back. And go someplace, number one, where you can have a lot of guns and where no one can really find you. So I was going to move to Hawaii, but you can't really have a lot of guns there. Why do you need a lot? Why don't you just have one? It's much more fun to have a lot. I mean, you want one in your car. You want one in your house, nightstand. I grew up in a house...

where my dad was a former combat Marine in World War II. However, he was very much for gun control. Of course. He was very much for gun control, and he would tell me, and he would write checks to support gun control, and he'd write a check, and he would say, this will do no good because they have so much power. He's like, but we will never have a gun in this house because he was knowledgeable enough about

And I have a brother that he knew might have issues. So we never were taught how to use a gun. He was never taught how to use a gun. He never got in trouble with a gun in his life. He's since passed. But I always thought,

I love that my dad saw that about himself, about his child, and knew that we were never going to have one in the house. And I wish more parents would do that. I believe everyone can have the right to do that. But if you feel that you're in a situation where it might not – where it could be used for the wrong thing, you know, like –

This show, but I don't, again, I don't care because I've never really said how I feel on it. I get it. Like I get it and I respect people that were raised with it, know how to use it, whatever. It's very touchy. This is touchy. And I apologize to anyone that's like triggered by this conversation. Maybe we have to cut it out. I'm not sure. It is time that we bring these conversations that everyone is having in private at brunch with their friends into the public. Like we have to stop being so afraid of triggering people who are literally only looking to get triggered. Right.

So anyway, you moved to a place where you could have that. I did. And good for you. I moved to Montana. And you know how to use them. Yeah, I do. Yes. And I'm very in favor of gun. I mean, put any roadblock you want in front of me and a gun, a psyche valve, taxes, a waiting period. That's fine. That's fine. We can pass them all. I'll pass them all. And everybody I know in Montana, almost everyone has a gun and everyone else is in favor of this. They're like, yeah, like, let's make it hard. Let's have classes. Like, no one's like...

Boom, boom, boom, boom. Just like rootin' tootin' Wild West. Yeah. People are much more responsible. But it's a hard conversation when you're in this entertainment world and there's been one way to think and all of that. So let's just get back to now. So then you started living there, doing your stuff there. Yeah. And you feel good. I love it. I love the country. Okay. Yeah. I split my time between Orange County and Montana and

It's fantastic. And Jacques and I are working on a TV show, actually, so we might get a reality show going in Montana. I know. I love that. So now let's talk about Justin Bieber a little bit because that's what sparked it all. So he's married to Hailey Bieber. Yes.

I have talked about the online videos of how she was always around him and Selena. And was she kind of stalking him? Was she a super fan or was she just a child of another Hollywood person and she was a fan and all of that? But they've since been married quite a while. They both are devout Christians and they have a child.

But he has not been looking healthy. He did a very weird 13-minute live, which is very strange when a big star like that is just like, you know what I think I'm going to do tonight? Go live. Go live and reveal everything. And at one point, he showed a photo of the baby not wearing any clothes, which has since been taken down, but that was there, answering questions, whatnot.

And then it was reported through people that Haley had stopped following him. Now TMZ says, no, that's not true. She didn't unfollow him. It's part of this, what TMZ is saying. Just hasn't unfollowed him. It was just a Instagram glitch. What? I don't know what's happening here, but there's something happening with Haley.

Justin, I believe. I believe that there is too. I've heard that it's kind of involved in the Diddy things that are coming up. Like he might be deposed or there might be information about him. Yes, that this is like skeletons he would rather, not of his guilt, but you know, he was maybe caught up and traumatized in Diddy's like disgusting saga. Yeah.

And he doesn't look great. He doesn't look great. And then some people are like, he's older and he's a dad. I'm like, I don't think he's up all night breastfeeding. I don't think that's why he looks tired. No. And you can find him at any gas station in Tampa.

Yeah, it doesn't look great. No. And I don't know. It was strange. And then speaking of which, I just saw an ad for a TMZ show where they are doing the defense of Diddy, where they're having like a mock defense team do it and a mock jury who are going to weigh in on if they... Will this mock jury think that he's innocent or not? Obviously, the whole defense of Diddy is...

People have threesomes. People have orgies. These were consensual adults and consensual sex workers. They weren't being trafficked. They wanted to be there. They were being paid or not. And that's the bulk of the defense. And then they, and so I don't know how it's going to turn out, but it reminds me of when

I think it was Geraldo that did the grand jury or the trial of Jean Benet and if her parents would be convicted or really the mom. Would the mom be convicted of murder or not? And when I saw that documentary, they showed an old interview of the mom who since died of Jean Benet who was like, imagine I'm a housewife watching daytime TV. Yeah.

still mourning my mother's death whether you believe she did it or not this is what she said turned on the tv to see a mock jury of wood and they did convict her the mock jury of this daytime talk show the difference there is like we still don't know like that was such a mystery with sean benet it's like who could it be we still don't know diddy it's like who on earth is like well i don't

I think almost everyone is like, well, case closed. Then we have the arbiter of logic and sanity in Diddy's Corner. So egg on my face. Like nobody is in Diddy's Corner on this and we don't have to like, hmm. And I also don't think people even care or are surprised that celebrities have orgies and threesomes. Like who cares? No one's like clutching their pearls that like a rapper

is sleeping with multiple people. Everyone's on board with this. It's cases of baby oil. It's underage people. It's the weird death of his ex-wife and baby mama. Like it's that, Diddy. There's so much. So anyway, I just want you to know that we'll know about that. Now this was really juicy. I follow Sloane Hooks. That is a beautiful man.

That's a beautiful name. You don't know who Sloane Hooks is? I don't. He's a big YouTuber, too. And he's been on the show. I'm the worst YouTuber. I'm all output. I don't know anybody. Well, anyway, I follow him. And he... So he brought the story to me. Adorable Rain Disick, the youngest son of Scott and Courtney Disick. And then, of course, she has her other son with Baker. What's his first name? Travis. Pencil. So people have said...

The timeline of the conception of what it would be when she got pregnant with Rain was a time, maybe it was, I thought it was fake for the show or for PR, but it was.

Courtney and Justin at the time were hanging out together. Okay. I remember this. So they were hanging out. I remember when Justin did a radio show and someone was like, you hooked up with Courtney. And his exact words were, I got used, man. I got used. He was laughing like, oh, like obviously she used me for sex. Maybe. Or I got used thinking I'd get sex. Sex. But it was just to be on the show and to have a storyline. Was he on the show though? Was he?

Part of it? I don't know. Someone has to look it up. So it could be either or. However, however, I do remember that...

And yes, this is awful. We're talking about a paternity of a little kid, but they're in the public eye and whatever. We're creators. We're awful people. I slayed that dragon. I mean, it is what it is. Yeah. I do remember Scott when, or hearing about it or watching it, him being really quite shocked by this third pregnancy and being like, we don't even sleep in the same room, this or that. However, I thought at the time that

That I thought all the girls, because they don't really stick with these men, I think one regret that Kris Jenner would say is when she was a little girl, she always said, I want to have six kids. That's documented in her book. She said it. I want to have six kids.

She always says she regrets stepping out on Robert Kardashian. And then they got divorced and they, you know, ended up being really good friends after. She then meets Bruce Jenner at the time. I bet you do regret that. And then they have the two more girls, which a lot of people do when they have like a big break of a friend. The same thing happened. Five sisters, then 10 years, and then. That is wild. Well, I got to have one more so they have a friend. So she has the two littles in early 40s, Kendall and Kylie.

And so I've always, so I always thought, you know, Courtney wants to have another child and maybe she at that time was like,

Well, I'm ovulating. Scott's still in my life. Right. I want all the siblings to be... I don't want to deal with another baby daddy. I want them to match. Kim, which we'll get to in a minute. Yeah. Kim, you know, had four kids with Kanye, two that she carried and all her biological children, but two that she had to have a surrogate because the two pregnancies were difficult. So anyway, I was always like, well, I wonder if that's the case. Even Kylie. Kylie has two kids with... What's the guy's name? Yeah.

Name cannot be found. Whatever, that guy. His name's Travis Barker. She has two kids with him. We'll see if she has any with Timothy. Then Courtney went on to get married to Travis Barker and has her little boy. So I'm just saying, I just wanted, I never, I was like, oh, well, that's probably it, Scott. She probably really wasn't, you guys probably weren't that together, but she might have

cozy it up to you during her ovulation whatever i don't think he's the kind of guy who's going to turn down sex right or be like wait a minute are you ovulating i think that these words are completely foreign so now the people that are into the sluice which also listen they've also said we don't think that courtney is i mean sorry chloe is robert kardashian she's the hairdresser daughters that's what we've always people think that i people thought oj i don't think oj at all um

But anyway, they I remember they were going to do a 23 and me or DNA and then they decided not to. But they made an episode out of it there. You know, there are fair because her when she was growing up, her hair was more blonde. There's Robert is tall as well. And he looks just like the dad. So like there is there. There are tall people. Whatever. Who cares? So but with this one.

His little face looks a lot like Justin's little face at the time. And people have done the reason and put it together. So he's doing a live with some other kid that's like a family friend. And he's reading it. And someone says to little rain, who's like, I don't know, eight or something. Is Justin Bieber your dad? And then he goes.

No, no, my dad's Scott. No, no, no. And my immediate thought is I don't think a kid that age being asked that on the spot

is thinking they're asking that because maybe my mom slept with Justin Bieber. Of course not. He's asking it like if someone said, Heather, is your dad Ronald McDonald? No, my dad's not Ronald McDonald. I wish I was heir to the McDonald fortune. He's not. He's Bob McDonald. That's a crazy thing to ask. That guy's a clown. Like, whatever. Right. So I think he was just kind of like, what? Why would anyone think that? Don't you know my dad is Scott Disick? Like, I think he wasn't thinking that.

And so anyway, pretty crazy that it's coming up. And I do feel like it is something that we should never know. Never tested. I'm sure Scott doesn't want it. Scott is a good looking guy to Courtney. You know, I mean, you see Courtney in his face. I don't know. But they did the same thing to Chloe. So to them, they're probably like, this is so disgusting. I hate this.

But I'm just reporting on what's being talked about. We're just reading the news, people. Yeah, yeah. I could see it. I mean, Scott and Justin have that sort of Kirkland Signature white man vibe. You know, same kind of bone structure, same kind of nose. Like, he mixed those genes in. It's kind of hard to tell the difference. I mean, maybe she wanted another baby. Scott was, like, non-viable for whatever reason. I mean, it would be interesting if he, you know, starts leaning towards...

singing and stuff. He's quite the character, but so is Scott. Like he's the one who's sassy and funny, but Scott was, is sassy and funny. So I'm like, it could be, you know, but also it's hanging around your dad. You know, there's, there's, um, genes and then there's just, you know, who you're growing up with. Yeah, right. Exactly. So anyway, there's that.

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Okay, getting back to the horrible Kanye West. Kanye West did another interview where he's wearing a black Klu Klux Klan. No, you had it right. That's right.

Clue Clutz, plan, outfit, but instead of white, it's black. Where do you even get a black one? This, I don't think that was part of his pre-collection. Well, he does have a clothing line. He does have a clothing line, yeah. This is true. The seamstress, I'm just picturing him walking in like, I need you to sew something. Make it bigger, pointier, bigger. And she's like, what? Wait, what am I fucking making right now? Yeah, it's super, super pointy. Super pointy. And he's just having a conversation. I don't know who the guy that interviewed him. I think I saw someone else pick it up, and that's what I saw.

And it was hard to watch just this interview at all. And he is using the N-word, the F-A-G word over and over and over again, talking about John Legend being that, and that he was wearing sweaters and 102 degrees and Barbados and like just ripping on people, just, you know, everything. Then he goes on to say that, and TMZ is reporting on it too, that he never wanted to have kids with Kim.

And he has said that in previous things where he, when he was preaching, when he was doing his Christian stuff, his weird church. Yeah. He made a whole thing of that he felt very guilty at the time because when he heard about the pregnancy, his initial thought was to end the pregnancy. Right. And he felt so bad. And everyone was like, oh my God, it's beautiful that you found Christ and life and whatever. But everyone also thought, why would you say that publicly? And why are you saying this? Because-

It's so horrible. So now there were three...

you know, kids after that. He goes, well, God had a plan. No, God didn't have a plan because you had a surrogate and you used, I think they did IVF for the, all three after. banging the surrogate. So yeah. No, he wasn't. Like there's medical intervention. Yeah. So it's like, it wasn't God's plan. If you didn't want to have any more kids, you would have had the kid had and like, you know, moved on. But no, you not only had the kid before, then you had your big lavish wedding and

And then went on to have three more kids. And then, of course, you're a nightmare. And now it's like the biggest nightmare on earth. I think this is the worst thing that has ever happened to the Kardashians. I don't know how you end this nightmare of keeping your kids from his hatred and rhetoric. And like, oh my God, it's just awful. And I just feel so...

I mean, I don't care how people feel about Kim Kardashian. This is the worst thing that could happen. It's a nightmare scenario for any woman. And I wish Kim would talk more about it because it is the most relatable thing about her. It's like this. I am tethered to this man who is so toxic. He's bleeding into my children's lives. Of course. Yeah. There is no way out as long as he's alive. And this is his personality or this is his level of medication. There's no way out.

I don't know why he's bringing up, yeah, not wanting kids. But the only men who I ever hear say, yeah, I didn't want these kids anyway, are the ones who are too broke to pay child support. Suddenly that's when they're doing like Monday morning quarterback and I didn't even want this family. You bullied me into it.

And broke men say this. Rich men are like, you know what? Yep, I've got kids. I'm writing the check. This is how it is. We're going to keep everyone happy. I have always thought And then the other side is men will say when women go that his broke ass, he's a loser. They'd be like, yeah, and you chose him. And you chose him. So if you... The point is...

Through that old joke, like, you know, would he make a nice ex-husband? Actually, you should think about that. You absolutely should. You actually should think in going forward, whether it's getting married or... First of all, you know, hopefully it is a choice and it's something that you were planning on it. But, you know... But also, like, if you have the luxury of choosing to procreate with this person, really think about it. Really think, how would they react if...

Things changed and you fell in love with someone else or there was a step parent involved. What what is their relationship with their parents and would they be OK? Because you really cannot escape them. California in particular is very is very good about giving fathers rights even more than other states. So, like, get ready. They're going to want you to share custody unless there's something so wrong.

And you should want that. Monumental. But I think this would do it. I would think if she went for it, but I wonder if she's just...

Not because her kids are getting of a certain age where she feels like she doesn't want to be the one that took her kids from talking to him or seeing him. Yeah, I mean she's gonna be the bad guy and it's interesting we pick a car with more judiciousness. The first thing we think about a car is well what's it gonna be like in an accident? We don't have that concept with a male. What's it gonna be like in 10 years? What's it gonna be like in the accident like in the trauma scenario that he's making a Klan hoodie and wearing it in an interview?

But this personality of his did not come out of nowhere. This did not. Even if it was, if this is even 80% mental illness, that did not happen earlier this year. That has been present. And she still chose to reproduce with him. I feel like Amber Rose warned us. She warned all of us. She is a nation's greatest philosopher, truly. Yeah.

Also on that note, Robert Kardashian had a Bible that he'd write notes in it. It was a very special thing. He was, you know, like devout Christian as well. And he gave it to OJ. And so they were selling OJ things in an auction and Kim tried to buy it for 15 grand. However, I guess she lost out. It went for 80 grand.

Why didn't she just buy it? I find it interesting that she had a cap amount that she was going to spend on this important relic for her family. I don't know the details of what happened with the auctioneer or what, or if she just put a cap on it or...

I don't really know how that happened. I wouldn't want anything that has been in OJ Simpson's house around my children. That could be another part of it. Maybe she's like, you know what? If I can't get it for 15, you know what it's meant to be? Maybe it'll touch another person's heart. My dad's in my heart. I don't need the Bible that he gave to his friend when he thought his friend was innocent. And then when he realized he wasn't, when he was shocked at the, you know, when you see Robert Kardashian's face go, when they say not killed him. Like,

Maybe she's just like, you know what? If I can get it for this, great. If not, let someone else have it. I don't know what that philosophy was. That seems to be Kim's vibe. It's like, well, whatever will be, will be. If my ex-husband's going to wear a Klan hood. Let them. Let them. Like, girl, there's another half of that. It's let me. Let me go back to my divorce attorney. Let me go back to the courts. Right. Kim.

Okay, what is the deal? Because I'm seeing this story everywhere. Sydney Sweeney, who's the very attractive actress, she exploded on Euphoria. She's very known for her sexy, like,

unique shaped eyes and big natural breasts and she's done the big she did like a big romantic comedy she's done other what was that movie called anyone but you yeah it's so cute and what is with going on with her romances okay so I just put up a video about this okay my channel I talk pop culture but like what we can learn from it like right the larger lessons and

So for this, it's like she has been dating this guy, engaged. She's 27. He's 41. He locked her down pretty fast. They were linked in 2018. So she was, I can't do the math, but she was young, very young. And I'm sure that when she was kind of a babe in the woods in Hollywood, this guy, he's a failed restaurateur, turned producer, just general Hollywood. I mean, he slicks his hair back. So, you know, that kind of Hollywood type. I'm sure he took her under his wing and like...

prevented her from being like cannon fodder for the Harvey Weinsteins out there. But now that she's so much more autonomous and growing up, it's like, do I still need this sort of like daddy husband in my corner? Do I want to go out, have that ho phase, be an autonomous adult? And I think so many women identify with that. Like, when do you let go of the good guy if they are good, if they are perfect on paper, but you've just kind of outgrown them and you don't want that daddy vibe? I mean, you want daddy, but not like...

the parentification type relationship. So I'm happy to see her out and about. I hope she has a So she was engaged to him. And now has she called off the engagement or she's just not wearing the ring and hanging out with what's his name? Evidently she's deleted photos of them kissing from her Instagram, which was pretty bad. Unless this is another, oh it's just a glitch. Right Justin? Right Haley? And yeah she did a photo shoot without her engagement ring. And she's been hanging out with Glenn Powell who

Who allegedly... Who was her co-star in that movie. Yes, and there was all that gossip about her. That people wondered if that was just like for looks or whatever. I have to believe it was real. Like the way, the body language. I did a whole bunch of breakdowns on this. But like he would grab her by the back of the neck on the red carpet. And that's how he would hold his girlfriend. Like the body languages were the same with the woman he was dating and then with Sydney. And I think body language is...

Harder to fake. It's not impossible. These people are actors. But I like to think it was a burgeoning romance, even if it meant she cheated. I don't care. Good for her. All right. Okay. Okay. Yes. Chappell Roan was on Call Her Daddy. And this clip has gotten a lot of conversation going. And she said, you know, she's, she's, I think she's in a relationship with

And I don't know with whom, but she doesn't have kids. Well, she's dating a girl. Yeah, she's pretty safe from accidentally getting knocked out. I know she's... I didn't know if she was... Who knows? I know she says she likes girls and is bisexual. I just didn't know whoever this person, significant other, I didn't know. So anyway, so she says... And they're like laughing. It's a conversation, you know? And she says...

Every single one of my friends who has gone on to be a mom with little kids have no joy in their eyes. They're exhausted. They're tired. They're miserable, whatever. And, you know, they're laughing about it. Alex Cooper, the host, she is doesn't have kids yet, but she's married. So who knows me as someone who has kids that are now older?

I was like, that's kind of funny. It's kind of like, it's basically like I could see a stand-up talking about that, that they're dead in the eyes or exhausted or tired. Because you are. I don't even remember...

those years that well. Mother nature doesn't want you to remember, so you keep having babies. Because you really are sleep deprived. And you're like, and my mom used to say that. She goes, having a baby, it's like, what would she say? She would say like, it's painful, it's exhausting, but God makes you forget so that you have another. And also it's like, those years...

You're sad that you don't remember them as well because they're so cuddly and cute, but you really don't because you really are tired and you really are burning with it and you don't have any time from the moment you wake up till you put them in bed. You maybe have 10 minutes before you fall asleep yourself. And then all of a sudden they get older and then you're like, oh my God, they can take their own showers and I actually can watch a show and then they're gone. So it's like it's... But I didn't think it was... I thought it was funny, but people have, of course...

gotten upset about it and said, you know, how dare you? Like, you don't know. Why would you say that? What? And then, you know, people are said, what about single people that are unhappy? I have a lot more single people who are unhappy, who can't find their husbands or child. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I am happily, very happily child free. And I completely understand what chapel saying. I mean, I think misery loves company and you have a lot of moms who are just bitching, bitching, bitching. Yeah. Of course they love their kids, but it's,

the trade-off is huge and it's relentless and you cannot change it. I mean, you can abandon your family. You're not going to. The single people who bitch are actively working to change their situation. They want to find a partner, you know, but the moms who bitch were like, well, wait, why did you, how are you pregnant again, girl? And,

You and I were talking about this. But I will also say, I think that that's also what we're seeing in the zeitgeist and comedy is that you can bitch about your kids and it's funny and it's okay. And I'm so glad moms have that outlet. Yeah, it's okay. And so if they were bitching to her or having fun with it,

Like also, well, we didn't like I was just complaining like you would about your man or your husband like leaving his socks everywhere and the toilet seats up. It's like the old stupid joke. But like.

Yes. You know, is it exhausting? Is it tiring? Are you like, oh God, must be nice that you could lay in your bed and read an entire Vanity Fair and like, yeah, I have those days now. And it is really nice. And I remember that I didn't have those Saturdays. I was getting up and, you know, I did land at the airport and bring my giant suitcase to the baseball field to watch the game from dropped off in an Uber because my husband had to be there. So he wasn't going to pick me up. And

I was like, I have to at least see one game this weekend. And like, yeah, there's all of that that's like exhausting. And then, you know, whether you have the luxury of staying at home or the luxury of working or however you want to see it, if you're lucky or not, I don't know. But I thought, I think this is the one like generation too where...

I have no judgment if someone wants to be child-free by choice. Child-free by choice was something that I heard like 10 years ago that no one had talked about, that it is a choice. It wasn't like I tried or I wanted to. It's like, no, I really never saw. And I've had people come up to me or say, should I? I don't even know. I don't know how I feel. I don't know if I should have one more or have one at all. We're deciding. And in those cases, I'd be like,

Well, why don't you just fuck with your husband? That's always my answer to that. And if it happens, if it happens, then great. And if it doesn't, then you don't want it so much that you're going to go the next step to have a fertility journey and to, you know, hopefully have it work out or go through the trauma of it. Be lucky that you don't want it that much. So if it happens, great. If it doesn't, you're like, oh, okay.

God wanted this or I want, or the universe wanted it or whatever. Like, I do think it's a good time. I understand women still get pressure, but I think for the first time in this, like this Gen Z, um,

I don't think they're going to feel that pressure like they have in the past. You know, as a woman, you're always going to feel that pressure. Like every generation thinks we're breaking the mold. We're disruptors. Bitch, no, you're not. Like we're maybe moving a quarter of a standard deviation away from the norm in terms of like, hey, we can like question whether we want kids. But people always kind of come at me with like, you're going to change your mind or now that...

I'm like too old to change my mind. It's you're going to be sad when you're old. You're going to be sad when you're old about something, about something. And every old person I know is like there's always going to be something you regret or you wanted to do differently. And society just always supports and lionizes weddings and babies, plural babies. If you have one baby, if you're a woman listening, you have one baby. You have another. You don't want a weird only child. That'd be so weird. They're going to turn out to be bizarre.

There's always, it's like, then have more. How many are you going to have? It's like, there's always that opinion and that celebration over it. Like you don't get, you don't go on Etsy and order like custom things for a PhD party or a corner office party or a book publishing party. It's for bachelorettes, weddings, baby showers. That's the machine. And yet we, it's like on one hand, that's such a celebration. And on the other, it's like Chapel said, like you,

You look in your friend's eyes and they're like dead and crying for help. They're like a hostage. And so we hear, it's like, well, which is it? Should we be super excited about this or should be really pulling back and looking like,

real deal at like who am I procreating with am I just fucking and seeing what happens or am I getting into a Kanye situation potentially because I'm not really being in the driver's seat of these decisions and thinking like long term parenthood seems really hard when you do want it and if you're like then it seems like an absolute death sentence it seems like it would be so much resentment so much difficulty well you should never do it

I remember when I was doing real estate, I had the listing of this house and the couple was getting divorced. And, you know, one day the woman kind of opened up to me and she was like, we got married and I really wanted a child. And he did not. And he was like, OK, but if you have that child, I'm not doing one thing. Oh, God. And he literally said.

Did not do one thing. Like, did not, like, like literally the bottle could be there and she could be in the kitchen and she could be like, can you just hand the bottle to the kid? And he was like, yeah. So then she was like, well, I can't have this person around my child that's like this uninvolved in like such an, and I was like, yeah, you know what? Believe me.

Believe them if they say that. Believe them. They're not going to change the way... No. I think people think like the grumpy dad, like my dad, was like, my brother brought home a dog. And he was like, I said we didn't want a dog. Now what are we going to do? The next thing we know, you know...

We all fall in love with it. And then it's like there's people that do those videos and it's always the grumpy dad. It's the grumpy dad, yeah. That the dog knows like, oh, that's who I need to win over. So then that's the one that they make their primary human and then the dad's obsessed. Okay, grumpy dad, grumpy 50-year-old dad who ends up liking the dog that the 7-year-old wants.

It's not necessarily going to work with your human child. That's a hell of a roll of the dice. Yeah. And like, yeah, if you are wrong, even if the odds are 50-50, those are bad odds.

And if you're wrong, yeah, you're getting divorced. You are dealing with a man who won't hand a bottle to the baby. Or worse, to get back at you, he will say, I want half custody. And I want you to pay these expenses. And now I decide that you can't have the baby on Mother's Day because you got them last year. Like, it's just so, yeah, there's a lot of things to consider in this day and age that we are now aware of that we can look at other women and their examples and

But I did have a friend who was childless by choice. And once she got married, of course, all the questions were, you know how we can't see? Because she was like, you know, in her early 30s. And she said to me, she goes, you know what, Heather, you're the only person that was just like, cool. Like, maybe because I have them. And maybe because I know. And I'm like, if it's not for you. And the other thing is, and I think I saw Jerry Seinfeld say this somewhere. He goes, I think the greatest thing

God did is like, there's no way for you to see what you're missing if you don't have them.

Like, you know, if you choose not to have them, not like you had a child and you lost. I mean, just like you chose not to have them. There's no way that you, like, there's no sliding doors moment where then you could jump to another matrix or whatever and see, oh, this is what your family, this is, we're going to give you 24 hours in a day in the life if you had two kids eight years ago, what it would look like. There's no way of knowing. So you just are happy with your life and you feel it how you choose. Right.

And I also want to say I have been pushing towards the movement and the joy that comes with not enough people talk about how great this is, but I know a couple people, which is hot step grandma. Yes, hot step grandma. Hot step grandma is the best of all the world. Yes. Meaning you have your fun single life and without getting married. And then, you know,

Whatever. Mid-40s or so or later, you meet a guy and he's divorced with grown kids. And you fall in love. Ideal. And then those grown kids have their babies. And now you do get to babysit and be...

maternal and grandmothery and everything and you but you miss the first step which is the best because being grandparents is better than being a parent so like it's the best thing ever if you can make that happen for you I think so I mean there's so many broken marriages there are a lot of single parents out there a lot of chance to be hot step grandma hot a chance yeah but you got to be hot this is the thing you can't be dumpy step grandma you got to be hot because the market's going to be popping for this right but it works out it works out I'm down for that um

Okay, Blake Lively, which I know people are tired of. I don't even know where we are in it. Who even? It's like Amendment 75. I don't know what the latest happened, but I did see this. TMZ said, Blake Lively shows up for work at a Connecticut donut shop. It sounds like... Times are tough. It sounds like maybe she's filming something and either...

this was where they were filming or she did that cosplay of being a minimum wage worker, which a lot of stars like to do that. They do love to do that. What? This star made me a coffee and didn't know how to work the foam machine?

how great and then and oh and she was so sweet and she took a photo with all the staff and then left and then I had to still work for another seven and a half yeah exactly and she's not getting you know 80% of her paycheck out in taxes my friend actually took some footage she was there and saw her really yeah and she sent it to me she's like what was it was it filming or was she doing just something fun for PR she didn't see any filming thing but she was like working and making donuts but the

The picture, Blake is almost like touching the ceiling. She's a giant. She's gigantic. I don't know if she had these huge shoes on, but I'm like, she looked like Godzilla storming the bakery. But she looked very cute. Who knows what she was doing back there? She's a big baker. So maybe she's just- Oh, that's right. She is a big baker. Yeah, yeah. She's a great little baker. Okay, so-

Now, the other thing that's coming with people talking about the weirdness of Blake and Ryan is when they did the nice pool where he wore his long hair and he was clearly making fun of Justin Baldoni. He has a lady pool who was played by Blake, which is weird because she was totally covered. Like, why wouldn't you just get somebody else to do that? But there's a child pool. Child pool? There was a child in the scene. Okay.

that it says to one of the other characters, either the nice pool or the other one, and the child says in the movie, why don't you get Wolverine's dick out of your mouth long enough to tell me this or do this? To nice pool? To a nice pool or one of the other pools. Okay. I don't even know. To a guy. But he's addressing a guy. Justin's in the—not Justin. Ryan's in the scene. Okay.

So people are like, wait a minute. And he, Ryan goes on to do a podcast or whatever, where he says that was our child, our seven-year-old daughter that was in the outfit covered saying that line. And she didn't want to say that line until I said, I'm going to audition other kids.

And then she wanted the part. And what was crazy is she didn't even want to say the line, but in order to get it right, we had her do it over 70 times. That's going to come up in therapy probably freshman year of college. Or freshman year of rehab. That's going to come up. Again, like, okay.

What? Also, this is a person who got in a slutty outfit and did a sketch and flirted with Justin Bieber. So I understand that sometimes when the art is happening, maybe nobody in the room is like...

Why don't we just get a little person to get in the outfit? We do another voice of somebody or now they could probably just AI a kid's voice. They could AI it. But at the time they didn't and he wanted his family on set and his whole weird snarky comedy that isn't now no one's thinking it's funny but people did think it was funny before this is like

I hate my family. I hate my wife kind of humor. Just like the girls that are trying to make Chaperone laugh, but don't really mean it. I hate my kids. I hate my own. And she thinks they really hate them when they don't. So that's kind of interesting. So that all came up this week as well. It's just so unsavory. Like, again, like the Blake and Ryan cannot lambast Justin Baldoni for like trauma onset and hostile environment when they're telling a seven year old to say, hey, take a dick out of your mouth. Like,

Either you are beyond reproach morally in this category or you're right down in the mud and it's all just comedy and it's all just art. But you can't cherry pick what's offensive when the things you're doing are that bizarre. Like that's just bizarre. Right. Anything you're accusing Justin Baldoni of, it's like, what was it? Like what even what even was it? It's such a nothing burger. Yeah.

When they're this sticky and stinky with their own weird behavior. Yeah. It's just such bad optics. Yeah. So we'll see what happens next. Speaking of Wolverine, he is, you know...

He's divorcing his wife. What the hell is his name? What can I think of his name right now? Hugh Jackman? Hugh Jackman. Hugh Jackman is divorcing his wife, who he had for 27 years or something. He's with the other actress. Sutton Foster. Sutton Foster from Younger, who's also a Broadway person. They did Broadway stuff together, so they're a red carpet match.

According to Daily Mail, bitter new twist in the Hugh Jackman's divorce battle. Well, now he's worth a lot of money. And apparently they're saying she wants more than half of it. Well, they've been together enough time that she would get half, but I guess she wants more. And that it was going to be all amicable and everything, but once...

someone now is parading they're much younger more famous and they're in love and they're happy in their love sometimes the amicable divorce amicable divorce does not remain amicable especially since Sutton and Hugh like you said they knew each other from Broadway so it's like suddenly you're putting pieces together those late night text messages those right press junkets it all takes on a different going on much long yeah right right and then of course there's the rumors that there's something with Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman's like is Wolverine's dick someplace it's not supposed

Right. You know what? If that is the case, if there is any sort of messiness in his closet... Whose closet? Hugh's. Okay. Like, Hugh just paid a loan. Well, it was always rumors because he was a Broadway song and dance man. I've heard that for years. And he had a wife. Mm-hmm.

that was his age or older for so long, there was always rumors that he was maybe not 100% straight. Lavender marriage. And a lot of people don't know the term lavender marriage. And a lavender marriage was when two people back in the day when you couldn't be happily gay out there

they would get married. So a woman who was a lesbian, a gay man, and they would go and have a lovely friendship life, have kids. And I'm seeing all this stuff about lavender marriage now, like on TikTok and stuff, of people who said, my aunt and uncle were in a lavender marriage. I was part of a lavender marriage. We didn't realize. And then later on we did and they...

Died being great friends. And then there's this new movement of younger people being like, we would like to bring back lavender marriage. Like gay guys being like, I actually don't want to marry a guy. Guys suck. I'm gay and I would much rather marry a woman who's down to have a gay husband. And then women are like, I'd like to marry my gay best friend. I mean, they're all like joking, but it's just kind of an interesting thing.

But so people thought that, right. But now that he's with this other girl, I personally don't. I just think he was a guy who was a song and dance man. And this was his real wife and everything. And he is in love with this real person. And.

And I don't think there's anything up with Ryan and him. I wouldn't say them two, yeah. And the rumors about Ryan too, I don't think so either. But, you know, people always question that. That's always going to be a question. I think there's gay and straight and then there's just narcissist where it's like they'll just take anyone who's given them some attention. You know, I think Lindsay Lohan could fall into that category. Like, how gay was she dating Samantha Ronson? She's just...

DJ Samantha Ronson. DJ Samantha Ronson. Remember? And she was like, oh my God, I remember those dates. Coming out of her house. Yes. Crazy. Speaking of which, working on Star, like how would you get, now that you're gone, like how do those, some of those more salacious photos that really broke a story that were not, you know, Kyle Richards calling the paps to show her, you know, whatever. What, how does that happen? People are calling the paps.

No, but even in the salacious ones where a story broke, they did not want the world to know they were having an affair or whatever. The sources, we would have a lot of hairdressers. We talked to our hairdressers like they're our therapists. There is no HIPAA, girl. They will sing like a bird.

A lot of step siblings, like people who are like in the family but not blood related. So there's this jealousy. We saw tons of step parents, step siblings, step kids. Telling it all. Telling it all. Yeah. So if you're a celebrity and you have step people in your orbit, don't trust them. Watch out for that step hot grandma. I know. Don't.

Don't trust step-hot grandma. Yeah. That's what she's up to. Who's she on the phone with? Yeah. On her jitterbug phone. Yeah. Yeah. We would get a lot. I mean, people are pretty willing to tattle. They're pretty willing to tattle. And what would they get paid? Oh, my God. Like $200, $100. You'd think it's like, I'm going to retire selling this story about Britney Spears. You are maybe going to go to Arby's and like blow it out. Like that's about all you're going to do. Yeah. But they were like grateful for it. Yeah. Because a lot of these people, they were just kind of like,

People who are not really going to set the world on fire, but

their celebrity that they knew was like the one who got away, the one who got out of the small town and they've got all the dirt from before they had their nose job and before, you know, they got knocked up in high school. What do you think about Meghan Markle's stepsister that, you know, was so bitter and talked a lot, though I haven't heard anything from her since her latest thing with the TV show. Maybe she finally got tired and realized, I've squeezed everything I can out of this financially and whatnot. Yeah.

Samantha Markle. What's your... You have a Meghan Markle story. Oh, yeah. Meghan Markle has stories about me. Meghan Markle has theories that I am the leader of a cabal. She's a cabal leader, guys. Orchestrating millions of middle-aged housewives. Excuse me, I'm neither. To...

sustained an online campaign of hate towards Meghan. And she put this in her Netflix documentary. So the Netflix documentary that we all saw that was a huge hit, there's a part in it where does she say your name or they show you? They show me and like three other

girls influencers or not influencers a youtuber or reporters or what the other two were actual reporters and journalists you know so that's to impugn the reputation of a journalist is very different than coming after a youtuber i'm an ex-journalist but like you know yeah these people are like journalists okay don't i that's a very risky bear to poke in my opinion i don't find that ethical at all i think it's ridiculous

Yeah, and Megan's assertion through this guy, Chris Boozy, who's been sued half a dozen times for making similarly defamatory and ridiculous statements, claims that all of us who've never met are in cahoots to organize hate against Megan. There's not one tweet. There's not one DM. Like, where are we doing all of this? Social networks, show us. Show us one place we've done this. It was just...

You were just doing what I do and everybody else does. Kind of commenting on what is out there, what people are saying or what we think might be the case. Yeah. I mean, Megan, you're a public figure. You put yourself into this sort of character list. Yeah.

that people are then going to write narratives about. If you don't like it, go work at H&R Block. No one fucking cares. You sought this out. You wore Princess Diana's perfume on your first date with this man. You sought this limelight. So that is true. I saw that. Do you know what kind of perfume it is? I don't. I want to think of something horrible like Malibu Musk. I just want to think of something tacky. I saw that somebody figured it out, but I don't know what it was. But that's the story. But how do we know that's a true story? I don't know. I mean, to me, it is...

in the line of reasonableness given her other machinations towards Harry, isolating him. Yeah.

Just everything. Everything she does is so calculating and yet she is so incredibly bad at being so calculating. Like it seems like the only person she's actually managed to bamboozle is Prince Harry. And everyone else is like, the fuck is this? Like it's all just so incredibly transparent and odious. I'm all for being bamboozled by a sneaky celebrity. Just be better at it. That's all I ask. Read The Art of War. Read it like once. Listen to some podcasts. But okay, so what do you think?

See, this is what I think is going on with her. Some people think I'm too mean about her either, too. I was like a fan of hers in the beginning. I thought it was great. I didn't understand why people were mad. I love that she was like a Southern California girl. I think it's fine that she has her Netflix show. You can watch it. You cannot. She has her next podcast. Yeah. You can watch it or not. You can buy the jam. You don't have to buy the jam. You can make the fruit rainbow thing. You can whatever it is. I think at this point as a woman, I

I'm not out to like tear her down because she essentially is the breadwinner. Very true. How is he going to make any money at this point? But she did that. I know, but he's not part of the family. I don't know how they would ever parlay it back where he would be able to gain a salary from it. I know he has inheritance from his mom, but as far as like,

You know, he's not a TV producer. He's not a writer. He's not a businessman. No, he's not a writer. I mean, you know, is he going to buy a bunch of, like, Noah's Bagels and run it? Could he buy a franchise? I don't know, like, what he could do. I don't think...

I think our interest in them is waning. And she's the one that has to bring it home. And she has this deal. They were able to get this deal. So, of course, she does an easy deal of like, let me just go down the street and make some cute spaghetti. And then talk to some, you know, the owner of Spanx about being a founder. Like everybody else has done. And I have 12 producers working on it that put it together. It's an easy job. It's easier to do that than...

Be a teacher, be a nurse, or even be a legit actress that has to learn 12 pages of lines in an hour. So that's what I think. And I also think, think about all the women that might be accused of taking the son away from the family. Like you moved away or whatever. And now we don't, we're the paternal grandparents. We don't see our grandkids the way we would like. Like that's a thing too. So it's like, I do get,

why she feels but going back to what happened at the in the royal family and what stories were put out about her being mean to a housekeeper or assistant that i mean i'm not pretty i don't really i didn't follow all that so when we did you go deep on that yeah i was at star at the time and priorly you know we'd always written about the royals they're they're a huge seller yeah and

They were a very tight ship. The House of Winds was a tight ship. There was no sources. There was no nothing. When Meghan got in there, leaky AF. Like, people were singing like a bird because they...

Because she sucked. And the accounts we were getting, people were like, we are risking our job, our family's legacy. Like, the people who work in service at that level, it is truly, like, a calling. Like, they're very proud of it. It's not just a job they take lightly. They're going to work in service for a lifetime. They're going to pass that down. And so for them to...

risk that to share how awful this woman is and how was she awful like give me some examples yelling ungrateful rude she just she came in there and it was this like I'm a disruptor this is not the this is not the place you disrupt and to your point I absolutely get it where it's like yeah so many mother-in-laws like you're taking our son from us this to me is why I hate Harry he should have been less of a wuss he should have been out in front if that's the case right if his family is that toxic that he needed to break away from them he should have been like

This is my decision. Like he should have been on the tip of that spear telling everyone. I feel like he did a little bit in the Oprah interview. But he should have done it more. And let me say, if we flip the genders on this, and if you had a man isolating a woman from a big stable family and then turning and being like, you can't work.

But it's like, I'm the reason you can't work because I took you from this family and you are subservient to me. So you're going to do things my way. We would see that so clearly as an abusive dynamic. That would not be like, well, you know, she has to stay home. She has to stay home because he's created that situation and not by an accident. It seems very advantageous that, yeah, she's the breadwinner. Yeah, she's making all the decisions.

that is part and parcel of her personality, which seems to be, as we're seeing, pretty hungry for power and influence. And hey, you can't knock the hustle, but don't then turn around and say you're the victim. Just be like, yeah, I'm fucking power hungry. Rah! Like, go for it. Kanye it out. Don't be the victim. Or I think also the stuff that she chose to do, you know, a very easy show of having people come over and make a meal and then a very easy interview show of,

You see people doing it, you know? She can't do it. That's the thing. She can't pull it off. Right. Easiest thing, she can't pull off. Right, but I see why people do what I do and what you do. I see why people go... I see why big stars go... I mean, I just saw a clip of Amy Poehler say...

I'm giving 25% on this podcast and I'm doing it because I was sick of seeing all the guys do so well with it. She's probably looking at the smart list guys going, really? $60 million? Why am I not doing a podcast? I'll do a podcast. It looks easy. Who's this girl, Heather McDonald, that's had it for 10 years? Why does anyone care? She's never been on SNL. She's not a movie star. Why should she be successful? And again, she has every right to go jump in just like someone who's got 12 people listening can have a podcast too. Like,

I get it. But yeah, I, yeah, that's, that's just goes to show like people who are professionals. It's not because it's easy. It's because they make it look easy. And I don't think Megan takes that into account. Like being a Royal even isn't easy. They make it look easy. Keeping the stiff upper lip, not reacting, not saying things. It's the hardest thing in the world. Doing boring shit. Doing boring shit. Being in the fog. With the ribbon cuttings and the community centers and the macaroni portraits that kids are giving you. Oh, kill me.

But she signed up for that. I predicted that she would have a talk show, which essentially a podcast is a talk show. She's too narcissistic. Because I was like, she'll do something easy like that, but she'll want to be back in the limelight. But that's what I thought. She would stay in London and do something like that in London. That would be like she would be the Oprah of London. No, she's too big for her britches. She has to be the Oprah of the world.

But then in her defense, she would say, I would have loved to have done that. But right from the start, the world was ready to compare me to Kate and come after me. You signed up for this? Again, go work at H&R Block. Go work at a car wash. Like, no one's comparing those people to Kate Middleton. But do you think, but right from the start, though, what did she do wrong? Not courtesy, right? No. Like, I mean, at the start, she was, the wedding was nice. Yeah.

Yes, she didn't. And, you know, she didn't have her... She got mad at her dad for selling the photos. To us. So, you know, yes, she had him come. Maybe, but at the same time, like, she was being respectful of the royals. She had the king walk her down the aisle. Like, I'm just, like, playing devil's advocate. No, I get it. Some people say I'm too, you know, I'm too against her. I...

You know, I don't know. How do you... I think the only way to do it is if you were like Princess Monica of Monaco. Yeah, you're just not in the public at all. Yeah, you give up all and you please everybody at a meal and you take photos and you look gorgeous until... But that's a job description. Yeah. That's the job. Right. But then...

But in 20-whatever she got married, did she really? Was she expected? Did anyone say, if you marry Harry, you can't have your own career and do your own thing? Yes. That is very much part of the agreement. Like, they can't even accept free gifts. Like, if you're Chanel, you can't send anything to Kate Middleton. She has to send it back.

I know that. Like, Megan would have known that. And we had heard that, like, she wasn't taking the history classes seriously. And she went in there with this... And, you know, this is just what we heard and what we reported on, that she wanted to go in there with this attitude of, like, I'm going to disrupt things. Like...

There are some things that don't need to be disrupted. And if you look at even Silicon Valley and the founders are like, we're going to shake up like the Adam Neumann WeWork thing, like not everything needs to be disrupted. You don't need to disrupt the way people buy groceries. You don't need to disrupt gas stations. You don't need to disrupt a royal family. People go there for the tradition of it. That's what we like about it. The consistency, the history. If you're going to pull on a thread and disrupt something.

pick something else. And the fact that there is no one massive thing that she did, she didn't like barf in St. Patrick's Cathedral.

just goes to show how gradual and organic it was that people stopped liking her. And we all know this girl. There's a Megan in every one of our friendship groups. It's like, why do you have to act like this at brunch, Kristen? But they can't help themselves. And it's just like, I want to like her. It's so funny that you call me, what did she say? It's so funny that you call me Megan Markle when it's,

It's Megan Sussex. Yeah. Yeah. Sussex is a title. I actually have a title. I outrank Megan and I don't think my title is my last name. Is that that's the attitude that was coming. You think. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. She's she can't even get her brags right. She can't even get her her snippy bitchy flexes factually correct. Like, do you need a notebook to write down your insults, Megan? Because they're not landing. They don't make any sense, girl.

It's so funny. It's like, no, nothing's funny. No. She's not funny. I don't think she's a funny person. She's too self-involved to be funny. Like, to be funny, you know, you have to be able to make fun of yourself. And she is not that bitch. She ain't the girl who's going to make fun of her. She's not telling a joke at all.

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And this was so juicy. I really enjoyed getting to know you. You'll have to come back. Oh, yeah. We got to just like also just chat. No, no. We don't always have to do stuff on. But I love it. I love it. I love being here with you because of our complimentary angles. Yes. We can take photos. We can stand up. We can do anything. We can conquer the world. This is our evidence. And everybody go to HeatherMcDowell.net. That is where you're going to join my Patreon. And it's fabulous and fun.

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