Gayle King: The Son-In-Law Shot
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Welcome to Literally with me. So I'm really excited to have Gayle King on today because A, she's a wonderful woman, just one of the nicest people, one of the brightest people, one of the most beautiful people. And I love supporting her show, CBS Morning News.

Because it is one of the few places that you can get news, just news, not what people think about the news and not trying to divide anybody or lighten anybody up, get anybody angry. Just like literally, what do you need to know each morning you can get on that show? So and I am so indebted to still have something like that around. And we're going to talk some really, really fun stuff. And I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I enjoyed having it.

I'll say it like her bestie Oprah. So where are you right now? I'm sitting here in the kitchen where I always am. Excellent. So I live on the Upper West Side in New York.

Now, what time today will you have to go to bed to get up to host the show? Well, because it's Friday, I actually can sleep in. So I can actually sleep in maybe if I'm lucky till 445. But normally I get up at 324. I get up at 324. I hit three snoozes.

I'm fascinated by a lot of that. First of all, the three number is frightening, but why 24? Why not 25? What's the 24 about? Because there's something that comes on the news that I like to see at 325, 326. Well, tell me what that is. I want to start watching that. No, it's on the competition, so I'm not giving them any play, but I like to see what they're doing.

I like to see what they're doing. I've always wondered, like, if you... If people who are on the news, like, you watch the competition, and now I know. You do. Well, you know what's funny is...

When I'm on vacation, I always watch to see what they're doing. But during the week, during day to day, I don't. I don't. But early in the morning, but early in the morning when you're when the day's just getting started, I like to see what's sort of happening. Here's my question. If it's on it that early of a time, it can't be that big of a story or it or is it? Is that like it normally isn't? It normally isn't.

But, you know, I love pop culture. Yes, I know. I love pop culture. So I like to see what's happening in pop culture. And so you're right. Normally, if it's that time, it's not that big of a story, but it's fun stuff. And I like fun stuff. But you look, you love pop culture. But let's face it. Aren't you glad you're on CBS Morning News where you don't have to talk about the Kardashians every day?

Well, I like Kim and Khloe. I know. Look, stipulated. We love everybody. Everybody's great and pop culture is great. Pop culture is the greatest thing that ever happened. I like them. Stipulated. But what I love about your show is it reminds me of what I grew up loving, which is when I wake up and I have my coffee and you guys are on, I know I'm going to get news. And if I want entertainment...

I can get that anywhere, but I want the news. And you guys are awesome. This is the thing, Rob, to your point, and I'm not knocking anybody. I'm not knocking anybody because morning TV is a big pie and you can find stuff you like. I am very glad that on Halloween, I don't have to worry about what's my costume. I'm very glad about that. And I'm not dissing anybody. I swear to you, I'm not because we're friends. I'm very glad we don't do that. I'm very glad I don't have to coax.

cook a recipe and act like I know what the hell I'm doing or that this is fun. So, you know, when we say the news is back in the morning, it really isn't just empty words to us. We really do mean it. And every day, every day, I just came back

because I had to go to the doctor and somebody said, I watched you this morning. I didn't know, da-da-da-da-da. You know, people always say, I learn something every day when I watch you guys. But, you know, when people say, I don't want people to think we're stuffy and puffy and blah-blah-blah-blah-blah, because you can still do the news and have fun doing it and not being a comedy show or not go to silly school. That's what I like about CBS This Morning. It's a good fit for me, I'll say that. Well, listen, you know, we've talked about this before. I love your show. It's the, it's...

It's just the best. Thank you. I do too. I do too. I like the way it's produced. I like the bumper music. I like everything about it. It's very, very cool. And you guys have all really, really good chemistry, I think. Obviously, well, you wouldn't tell me on the podcast otherwise, but I'm going to ask it anyway. You get along. It's all good in the hood. It's all great. We do. Well, listen, I'm kind of the last man standing. I know. My time started in 2012.

And, you know, we've had a couple of teams, as you know, we've had some kerfuffles and bumps along the road. But now it's Tony DiCoppo and Anthony Mason. And I like that we all come to the table with a different skill set. But no kidding, we do all get along. And it is a mutual respect and admiration. But Rob, honestly, it takes a lot for me not to get along with you.

It takes a lot to make me mad. And it takes a lot to just because I just think this. I think life is so short. And we live in a society where you're encouraged to be your worst possible self. I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy. Same. And it's the same. Just same, same, same and more same. Because, um.

Yeah. I are you like me then? Because I'm I'm very slow to piss off. But when I go, my my fuse is mucho short. Yes. And when you go, people know that rut row Houston, we have a problem. Right. You know, then they know that this is something that we should take seriously, you know, because I look at look at it this way.

I'm sure you've worked with people that lose their temper. They throw things, they hollered and you want to go, we're all grownups here. Yeah. You don't need to talk to me that way. You don't need to treat me that way. And so I just decided early. It's just, it's not the nature of my personality, but when I do get upset, I do think people pay attention. You know, this is funny. Lauren Michaels once said, you

You know that sometimes you just have to slam the table and say, motherfucker, to get people's attention. Sometimes, sometimes, even if it's not your nature, you just have to get mad to let them know I'm not tolerating this.

And coming from someone who... And I think there's something to that. I think there's something to that. And Lorne never swears. And when he uses the word fucking, it's hilarious because he doesn't... It's like he's never used it before. It's like he's trying it out for the first time. Right.

Pablo, you're a good mimic. Look at you. Listen, we can't get through a podcast without me imitating Lorne. Really? Seriously? Oh, yeah. No, no. He shows up on every podcast. I didn't know that. Okay. Yeah. You know, the thing about Gail is she represents a side of America that is really...

Really love you. You're so good. You're good. You're good. Who else do you have in that repertoire? Well, I'm sure you've come to the White House and interviewed me before. I have to say it's good to have Joe in there. He's a good man.

That's so good. I just saw them last night on a Zoom birthday party, Rob. The Clintons? Yeah, we're on a Zoom birthday party. For whom? Do you know Michael Kivas? I know you do. Of course. Yeah, at one point, everybody's represented me, and Michael was my agent for a moment. But Michael Kivas had his birthday party, and he had a magician present.

A magician. And before the birthday party, do I have it? He sent everybody a little box that you could not open until the night of the birthday party. And so you had to fill out different things. There were all sorts of little goodies in it. And the magician would call on it. It was a wildest thing. I've never seen anything like it. But the point that I was making is that the Clintons were on that Zoom.

That's what made me think of it. And did Bill Clinton do Brad Pitt? What's in the box? What's in the box? That's my Brad Pitt in seven impersonation. But just think next time you have a birthday party, if we still can't have, because I so miss people. I honest to God, I miss, this is me. I think it sucks to be single in COVID times. I really do. Because this is me at my kitchen table, me, myself, and I, I just went, I just went and got, what

What do you call it? Doritos and cheese and guac. It's very sad, Rob. It's very sad. I'm going to order pizza. Well, I think you need to be on Raya. See?

See, if I could, honestly, if I could do that. What do you mean, if I could do that? Do you know plenty of famous people are on Raya? Are they? Yes. My kids tell me that all kinds of famous people are on Raya. If I could do it and people don't know that it's me, I would do it. And I know this is really bad. I know this is really bad, but there's still a part of me that thinks, God, you got to go online. I know, I know, I know a lot of nice people meet a lot of nice people there.

But I just there's still a part of me that goes, loser, you're online. And I know that's wrong. I know that's wrong. So I wish I could do it and people wouldn't know it was me. I do. I can't believe you haven't done it just as an anthropological social experiment and done a piece on it on the show.

No, no, I haven't. I haven't. See, we've come up with some programming. See, I can I can help produce the show. Put it on your things to find a nice guy for Gail. But, you know, listen, I don't have a I'm not sitting here having a pity party. I really don't. I've got a great life. Great friends get to go to a lot of nice, cool places. I get that.

But, you know, life is always better when shared. Look at you and Cheryl and John Owen and Matthew. Look at you all. And they all send their love. Cheryl was so excited that we were talking today. She's like, I miss her. I miss her. I have some Cheryl Lowe pieces in my repertoire. Just saying. You and your bestie Oprah have been such great supporters of Cheryl's jewelry. We're big fans. We're not late to the Cheryl Lowe party. No, you're not. You're early adapters. Yep.

100%. But how do you feel about aging, though, when you really think about it? I mean, I just, you know, when I turned 50, the AARP sent me a, the magazine arrived. And I called them up and I said, could you please take me off of your mailing list? I don't want to get this magazine.

And now I think maybe that's a bad thing to do because why I'm not running away from it. I don't try to hide my age ever. I'm 66. I'm not ashamed of it. But maybe maybe we should let people know that.

That it's okay and it's a good thing. Well, first of all, you look 46, if. No, no, I'm 66. Well, this is good because the doctor told me that my body and my body parts, all of them are like a 40-something, except for my knees. My knees give me some problems. But I mean, I don't, I'm not hung up about that. George Clooney's on the cover of AARP now.

Well, the March issue. Yeah. When I turned 50, they asked me to go on the cover. And what did you say? I was so my publicist called me and I was like, bro, do I need to fire you? What? I don't. And and I've I've come full circle as well. And I'm yeah, I think I think I might have done the cover as well. But but like, did you do the cover? Did you do it? I'm pretty sure I did. And but it was it was shocking.

When I realized I'm that I'm in I'm in when I was a kid, 55 was mandatory government retirement. Exactly. Exactly. I can remember, Rob, when my mom turned 50 and that seems so old. Oh, and now also when you have kids, your kids are 20 somethings. Mine are 34, 35.

When you'd meet people that had kids that age, you thought, God, they're old. And I just I don't feel that. So that's why I'm thinking I think we need to rethink AARP. Well, I do. I'll speak for myself. I need to stop going, ew, and just sort of embrace it and really just show people this is OK. Well, because there are so many. It's getting dark in here. Wait a second. You just went dark. Yeah, I know. Oh, look at it.

I know it's starting to get dark. By the way, like I had Matthew McConaughey on the show recently and I. Oh, I love him. He's the best. And he was asking me, he said, if you give one piece of advice to actors, what would it be? And I and my advice is always stand in the pretty light. Yeah. And it's a it's good life advice. Lighting makes a difference. Hey, did you have a month for his book?

I did. I read his book. His book is so fun. I read it too. I read it too. I've done three things with him. Number one, I love that he was so candid in his book. And I think he can do more than just – I could see that being a one-man stage or one-man play. That's what I said. You did not –

I did. Well, I turned my books into a one-man show, and I love going to – Did you do it? I've done it all over the country. I've done it all over the world. I think that's a good idea. It's great. Can you imagine? I would love to see Matthew for two hours. All right, all right, all right. Yeah, yeah. I didn't have the balls, though, Gail. I wanted to do a whole bit with him where I –

pretended that I didn't really know what his catchphrase was. And I was going to be like, Matthew, tell me about how did you come up with that catchphrase right now, right now, right now? Oh, you should have done that. You should have done it because you know what? He's a perfect person. He would play along with you. Yes. That's the beauty of him. You know, there are some people that would be offended.

And some people who would be insulted that you don't know who I am. But he would instantly get the joke and that would have been fun. Okay, so I know you can't probably answer this, but who is the worst interview you ever had? Frank Zappa. Oh, wow. I love it. He's dead, so it's perfect. But it's also true. It's also true. Why was he not good? I mean, he had come. I was anchoring the news in Hartford and he was there. And so I asked him,

Frank Zappa, the names of your children, Moon Unit and Dweezil. Where did that come from? I mean, I didn't say that they're dumb names. I just said they're very unusual. Is there a story? He goes, no, they're names just like Gale. Any other questions? Ooh.

And that's what I said. That's what I said, Bob. I said, dude, to myself, we're here trying to help you promote whatever it is you're trying to promote. The least you could do is be engaged and gracious or whatever. He goes, no, their names just like Gail. Any other questions? Just like that. He was so dismissive. And then this is this is what bugged me. Later on, I saw him in another interview and they asked the exact same question.

He had some long ass answer about, well, moon unit comes from da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And Dweezil to us meant da-da-da-da. I mean, for whatever reason, he didn't feel like playing that day. And, you know, sometimes it is like that. But I just think that when you come and you're going to be interviewed, you should always come to play. Always. Or don't do the interview. Or don't do the interview. Listen, be...

entertaining no matter what. Like I take great pride in when I'm being interviewed and I'm on a show and I've got my shit together. I've got stuff. I'm going to go. It's going to be fun because I grew up loving people who were good guests. Yeah. You know, when Burt Reynolds would go on The Tonight Show or do what I'm saying, like Dana Carvey, Martin Short, those guys destroy every time. Well, because quite often people,

You're coming to promote whatever your project is, whether it's a bad movie, a bad book, or a good movie, a good book. Not everybody gets an A++ in their projects. So we're really giving you the platform to promote whatever it is. So the least you could do is be gracious. That's the great thing about Matthew McConaughey, who's done a gazillion interviews, as you know. But he comes to play because he knows –

it'll help his book sales. And I also think he's a good guy. I also think he's a good guy. So let me ask you this, though. In the era of cancel culture and everybody has to be careful about every single thing they say, I can tell you it is more difficult now

to do interviews today. Here's what's interesting. I find that the gotcha press isn't around, from my perspective, isn't around as much. Like, I feel safer in the media today than ever before. Do you? But I do. That surprises me. I do. I feel like

I don't know if it's that I've been around a long time and I have a lot of relationships. So people like I know people and so everybody's everywhere. Like we were at least peers or friends. But when I grew up, when I was coming up, I felt like every interview they were looking to somehow sandbag me in some way or the other. If they could. I don't feel that. But on the other hand.

You know, you can unwittingly say something at any given moment and you're like, oh, boy. Houston, we have a problem. Yeah. I mean, I come from the school of anything can be asked. There's just you just have to know the time and the place to ask it. But and I always think this whenever somebody is going through something.

And you also don't have to answer every question. You can just say, you know what? I really don't want to talk about it this time, at this time. And that really is an okay question. That really is an okay question. And that's an okay answer. I never say to somebody,

don't ask me about fill in the blank because I just think that puts everybody on edge and sets everybody up. And I've been in interviews where a PR person said, don't talk to them about so-and-so. And I find you ask the question, if they can see what your intention is, I'm never trying to screw anybody. I'm never trying to make anybody uncomfortable. And I think they can feel that or see that.

And you can they can answer it or not answer it. But sometimes when you're doing an interview, especially when you're in the headlines, you have to you have to ask the question. You have to ask the question like, you know, Morgan Wallen, for instance, I really want to do an interview with Morgan Wallen now. And I don't know what he's going to do or if he's going to talk or what he's going to say. But talk about the example of cancel culture. I mean, yeah.

Number one, a full disclosure, I like country music. So we're working on a country primetime special for the Country Music Awards. And they handed me a list of people. And just two days ago, I said, why isn't Morgan Wallen on this list? I love his music. That song, Seven Summers and Can't Love You More Than My Hometown. And he just released Dangerous. It's 30 songs. He's so good.

And then the next day, that story broke about him using the N-word. And so they said, do you still want to talk to Morgan Wallen? And I go, yeah, actually, I do. More than ever. Actually, I do. Actually, I do. So he's going to have to navigate that. It'll be interesting to see how he does or what he does. But yeah, I would like to talk to him. And that's one of those things that...

You know, it's like when I did the R. Kelly interview, he knew what the interview was going to be about because that big documentary had just aired with all of those women who had a lot of credibility. So it's not like he was blindsided. He knew everything that was going to. No, I'm not going to say he knew everything, but he knew that that was going to come up is the question. And I think you have to be prepared to figure out how you're going to answer it or what you want to say about it.

It's always shocking to me. And you really see it with people who are like politicians where there's an issue. They're frustrating to interview, by the way. Oh, they're worse every year. But like it's the I think it was the one I remember as a kid when I think Ted Kennedy was running in 76 or something like that. And they asked him, why do you want to be president? And he couldn't answer.

Answer the question. Yeah. Couldn't answer the question. I remember that. I'm like, well, you know what? Somebody who can't answer that question probably shouldn't be president. Yeah, I remember that. But it always it always blows me away that that that people can be so unprepared.

But this is the thing about politicians. I always find politicians, they're frustrating to interview because they have a list of talking points and it doesn't matter what you ask them. Doesn't matter what you ask them. They're going to stick to da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So quite often I find it very, very frustrating. So I'm always trying to find a way in, always trying to find a way in. And it's tough. I find it tough.

Yeah. Is there any other – I mean, I think you have the best job in news, but is there any other job in news that you've always sort of coveted or gone like – I mean, you're at the top of the mountain now, so I guess it's a stupid question, but have you ever been like – No, it's not. I would love to direct something.

I think directing is so cool. Not movie direct, not in your business, but I think it's cool. You've been in a control room. Give me camera three, go to tape five. And I love it when it's live and, you know, things don't go according to plan. You go to roll the tape, the tape isn't there. That you have to be fast on your feet to say, okay, let's go to camera three. Let's take camera two, roll tape on, you know. I just think the first time I saw that in a control room, I went, wow. So exciting. Yeah.

Yes. Yeah. So if I wasn't on air, I would like to do that. It's like air traffic control, but I don't want to do that. No, that's too many people's lives on the line. Yeah. Hold that thought. We'll be right back.

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How often is the producer in your ear during a broadcast? Because that would drive me nuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Partially because I'm deaf in one ear anyway, so I can barely hear anything anybody's saying to me. But how often are they in your ear? Are you really deaf in one ear? Really? Yeah, yeah. I'm totally, totally deaf. So whenever I have time, I have to- What happened to you? Well, it's since I was an infant, so I've never known anything other. But my mom and dad always think that I had undiagnosed mumps,

Oh, so the or that kind of virus which can take your hearing. So I'm lucky I can hear it all. But so what is your what is your bad ear? What side is that? My right ear is my ear. That makes it even more amazing that you can do what you do then. Well, as an actor, I mean, I get I get I mean, to me, the only time it's ever an issue is if I'm

If we're in a loud location and it's a lot of dialogue and it's quiet and they're on that side of me, that's hard. Or picking up a telephone in a scene and...

And like, I can't hear that side. And that's the side of the camera. So that's really the only time I ever notice it, really. So when you when you say I can't hear like if you picked up the phone, you really can't hear in that ear. It's like that. I am nerve dead in that ear. That's interesting. Which also I'm sure there's a legion of people who've sat next to me at

That's what I wonder. And then like, he's a fucking asshole. I said, hello, Mr. Lowe, and he didn't even acknowledge me. That Rob Lowe, he's a douche canoe. He didn't even say hello. I said hello to him and he said nothing. My kids are super vigilant about it. They're like, he can't hear you on that side. He can't hear you. Yeah.

You know, they always like being my secret service about it. But so, yeah, if you come up to me on the street, I can't hear half of anything. Well, we'll have to keep that in mind when you're on the set and you have your IFB in. But they're not in the air to answer your question a lot. You know, they're only there if to give instructions to say it just happened to us today. Actually, the lead story wasn't ready. There was a problem with David Begnaud's live shot.

So we had to go to the next story. And while they're getting ready, they said, look, we're changing leads. So start with start with page two. Tony, you lead. We're not going to change. So, Tony, you lead. Gail, you just say hello. And then, Tony, you take and go. I mean, so they're normally they're at a troubleshoot. They're not right. A couple of times I'll get a thing that'll go, OK, Gail, that's enough. Right.

Do they ever tell you to ask a question that you haven't thought of or that you don't want to ask or something like that? No. They let the pros do the pro work. Yeah. Now, there may be if we're running out of time and something has come in, they'll say, we just heard so-and-so and so-and-so. You might want to ask so-and-so. But generally speaking, no. What do you think the biggest story is?

I mean, Jesus, ask this year. Yeah, that's hard. Really? Right. COVID. Yeah. Racial injustice. Mm hmm. I mean,

I mean, this was such a 2020 was such a shit show of a year. I thought it was emotionally, spiritually draining. I thought it was just a shit show. I couldn't wait for it to be over because, you know, you had COVID, you had racial injustice, you had an economy, economics, you had health problems, economic problems.

any one of those would be enough to rock the nation. We had all three at the same time. Whoa, Rob, that's a lot. And then you go into 2021, you say, okay, great. We can start a new year. Just psychologically. I thought that was good. And then January 6th, you've got people that are taking over the, I sat there, I was right here at this kitchen table, Rob, this is where I am. I was right here at this kitchen table. There's my TV over there. Um,

And and I watched in real time as they took over the as they took over the Capitol. Do you think we're getting I know I am I'm getting so dissent. I could I could wake up tomorrow and there could be a mother craft UFO hovering over the White House. I'm like, yeah.

Sure. I bet. I mean, we've seen so much stuff we never thought would happen on an almost daily basis. I'll believe anything at this point. I know. But this is the thing, Rob. We can't get desensitized to it. We can't. I worry about that, actually. I worry about, you know, we were on such an emotional roller coaster.

with, you know, lies and more lies and lack of leadership. I just don't want us to become desensitized to that. So when Joe Biden was elected, you know, regardless of what your politics are, when it came to Barack Obama,

you know, whether you liked him or didn't like him, you never question his integrity, his character or his intelligence. That's for sure. You know, and in the last White House, I think many times people question all three. Yes. You know, he's very fluid with the truth, very fluid with the truth.

So when Joe Biden got in the White House, I think a lot of people just said, OK, we have decency and sanity in the White House. And that's a good way to start. That's a good way to start. But these are very scary times because we're so polarized. Everybody, we can't even disagree without attacking each other. That's not good. Let me ask you this, because the, you know, present company excluded the poll after poll will show you that people.

have, let's say, I'll be generous, complicated feelings about the media. Mm-hmm. And... We're not always held in high regard. No. Yeah. But my thing is, like...

There's always been agenda-driven media. William Randolph Hearst, they created the term yellow journalism. Yeah. About William Randolph Hearst running of his newspapers. And I think he – I forget what his agenda was. It was – I think he wanted us into World War II. I think that was what the – I'm pretty sure. Yeah. Right? So everything was driven through that prism. So it's always been that way. But now it's just –

out of the closet, I think. Is that what it is? Well, I don't know. I just think a free press is one of the most important, it's one of the important tentpoles of American democracy. The problem is that you can, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts. And I think that's why it's so frustrating for me. When I just look at people that just, you know, the whole QAnon controversy, that there are people that believe, you know, that...

These satanic cults that are eating babies or that, I mean, who actually who are actually saying this or, you know, that 9-11 didn't really happen or the school shootings didn't happen and that there are people who were storming the Capitol. Some wore a shirt that said six million wasn't enough talking about the Holocaust or murder the media. I mean,

Those people were so amped up and so hyped up. That was very terrifying to watch. Very scary. So we live in a society where people, if you only stay in your own little silo and you don't expand, I always say to viewers, please do your own due diligence. You've got to do your own due diligence. You can't just stick with one silo. And I'm not tooting the horn of CBS. Well, I am tooting the horn of CBS. I take that back. We really pride ourselves on

trying to present the facts, giving you the facts without an opinion. But the truth of the matter is we are human beings. We're not robots sitting up there. And everybody who's reading the news had an opinion. I just know...

I'm not paid to give my opinion, but sometimes it does get away from you. It does get away from you. And I'll get in my ear, Gail, careful, careful. I've gotten a couple of carefuls a couple of times. But you guys, that's why I love you. We're human beings. That's why I love your show, because I agree. I feel like it's the last. And I don't know. I mean.

I don't know where people go for straight down the middle, nonpartisan. It used to be CNN, but that's no longer the case. No, and that happened fast. It used to be. It used to be CNN. 100% it used to be. Yeah. I mean, you know, we pride ourselves on checking and double checking, you know, especially when there's a breaking news story, you can believe that the first half hour is going to be incorrect. Right.

It's just as people are trying to get out there and get out there and be first. We would much rather be right than be first. And that's not always the case with a lot of a lot of networks. But I think people just want to know the basic facts. I really do. I think people are really hungry for it. Let's say intelligent minded people. Let's say that, Rob.

Yeah, I guess there probably are groups on both sides that just want their facts. They want the echo chamber. Right? Are you on Twitter? Yeah, but not a lot. Yeah, I am on it and off it. I have a complicated relationship. I have a complicated relationship with all social media. I think everybody does, right? It's, you know, it's the genie. Have you ever been hammered on social media? Yeah. Oh, for sure. You have? For sure. I used to do much more...

current event related tweets. And I just don't really so much anymore because there's always going to be somebody, you know, that has something to say about something. Yeah. And it's like, you, you kind of go, somebody gave me the great thing of when you're going to tweet something or say something in social media, say, does it need to be said? Does it need to be said now? Now. And does it need to be said by you? Yeah.

Well, chances are, if you've got to go through all that to answer the questions, the answer is going to be no. Thank you. Right. Let me put my phone away. Never mind. Yeah, I thought Blake Shelton. I was doing an interview with him once. We were talking on social media and he said that he just refuses to do it because, Gail, it's just an accelerator on hate. And why do I know? Which I thought was good. Exactly.

That's a really good one. Yeah, it's like putting your foot on the accelerator pedal. And why do I need to do that? And I went, God, Blake, that's good. When it first came out, I loved it because, you know, up until then, there had always been a barrier.

Now we probably realize we need the barrier, but there had always been a barrier between you and your audience. So you had to go on Barbara Walters or I had to go on your show. I had to do all of those things. And now you can reach people directly in real time. Immediately. And you have a you can say something without it's a free shot on goal. There's always going to be the follow up.

Mm hmm. If you're if you're on any of the shows, you can just hit what you want to hit and it's out there and there's no follow up. It is what you want. It's exactly what you want. And that's great. And I that part of it, I really do like. But I don't I think that, you know, I don't know. Would you go back and put the social media genie back in the bottle? What would you do? Because it's.

It's definitely changed journalism for sure. I know, but I like it, though. I think it can really be used as a force for good. It can. We just have to navigate that. But no, I think it's great. We just have to figure out a way to be to be judicious with it. And I do think at some point all those tech guys are going to have to figure it out. I know free speech, but the fact that Donald Trump was kicked off of Twitter and

And Facebook, the difference that that has made. Can you imagine if he was still tweeting and saying the things that he was saying? Because so much of it were just outright lies.

Untruths. So let me ask you this then. I get that 100%. But you have the rulers of Iran on Twitter. Perfectly fine. And they're like calling to eviscerate Israel on a daily basis. And that's okay on Twitter. Yeah, but that's not the United States of America. That's not how we roll in this country. So the fact that he could say what he said and all the people went charging to the Capitol. Right.

I mean, Rob, a police officer was killed, hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. Yeah. I mean, that doesn't that doesn't make any sense to me. When you saw them scaling the walls of the Capitol. I mean, we've all been to the Capitol. I have such reverence for the place. You almost feel like you have to whisper when you're in there. Oh, yeah. You know, because of all that it represents. Yeah.

So the fact that they were just marauding in the halls the way they were and the things that they were saying, the more you see, the worse it is. The more you see, the worse it is. You know, they say ignorance is bliss. And I, as luck would have it, was where I was in Hawaii and between the time zone and just checking out.

Yeah, I was I when I go away and I just want to check out. I mean it. I check out. I don't watch the news. I don't do anything. If you're like the Capitol is being stormed. I was like, what? Get the hell out of here. It's not being. And then you look at you like, oh, my God, they were they weren't kidding. Yeah, you really do. When you go on vacation, you don't you you can. I have to watch the television.

I have to. I know. Well, it's your business. You do have to. But even if I wasn't, I just so like knowing what's going on in the world. So the fact of just, I think I would start, you know, I think I would start shaking. I would start shaking. I am experimenting. And I'll let you know how it goes. I am experimenting with knowing less. I'm experimenting with being okay with.

with being those people that I see all the time and have dinner with where I bring up something and they have no idea what I'm talking about. No idea, I know. No, zero, no idea. And they're perfectly fine not knowing anything. I'm always fascinated by those people too because I'll go, what do you mean you don't know about this? There are a lot of people like that. So when you say you're trying about knowing less, what does that, how are you doing that? Easy. So-

When I work, which is all the time, which is the good news and the bad news. I love that John Owen is there, too, and that he's bossing you. I like that. Yeah, Johnny wrote our last episode of 9-1-1 Lone Star. Was it good? It was the best one we've ever done. Seriously? It was our big crossover episode. So the people from 9-1-1 came to our show Lone Star, and it was a wildfire, and it was definitely our best episode. So he wrote for them and for you?

The crossover? He wrote the crossover. Yeah, he wrote for – yeah. So it was – yeah, I'm really proud of that little whippersnapper, that little bastard. Anyway – But what is it – but I am curious about what it's like when he's giving you direction. I do think that that's fascinating. Yeah.

I think that's kind of it is both really proud making and really unsettling all at the same time. What happens if you disagree with a direction that he's given you? Do you know what's really great is I never do his seriously hit. No, his point of view, his taste, his humor, what he thinks is interesting, what he thinks is valuable. Yeah.

Sort of his ability to like find the sort of secret sauce of

and why things work and why things don't is exceptional. And I think it's, I mean, and it's exactly the same. We have exactly the same taste. Maybe it's because we, he's my son and we've grown up, you know, sharing the same movies and I love this movie and I hate that movie and this and that. But I know if he's, you know, minding the stew, it's going to be everything that I would want myself. So that part of it's,

Great. What a good job Cheryl did. I know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, it's true. No, no, no, no, no. I'm totally kidding. People are listening to this because Rob Lowe and Cheryl are like this and certainly like this when it comes to their boys. I remember when they were little guys, so I know. I know. But there's something...

I think, you know, as a parent, there's nothing more rewarding than being proud of your child. But it's also rewarding when the child is proud of you. I know. Well, I know. I'm not sure I get that. If you follow me on Instagram, you can see. Oh, no, I think it's funny. They love to knock the crap out of me. But that's what's so good about it. They wouldn't do it if they didn't have a great relationship with you. They wouldn't.

They do make me laugh. And, you know, they make other people laugh, too. I've seen a couple of seriously. That's what you're going for. I think it's very funny. I know. I know. I mean, I've raised two little monsters. What am I going to do? And we'll be right back after this.

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And then you go while they set up and you go back and sit in a trailer for an hour and then they come and get you. Well, historically, I have cable news on always have. Yeah. And, you know, it's cycles. I've I watched the same story over and over and over and over and over and over and over. There's nothing new. And I'm still sitting there like like, you know, I don't know what like one of those lab animals watching it.

And remember when breaking news was really breaking news? I know something really was happening now. Now I don't even pay attention to breaking news because we are breaking news all the time. I remember that. I remember the day that that that went from. Oh, my God, I got to pay attention to. Yeah. But so I don't have it on now. I have the golf channel on. Rob.

You're sounding like an old man. I know. When your phone rings, does it play the accordion music? I know. Dun, dun.

I don't know. Listen, I think there might be. Why don't you put on some music? Put on a music something. The Golf Channel. Do you even play golf? I do. It's my new obsession. So I do have that. I'm trying to work on my swing. You do play golf? I do. When did you start that? Well, I actually started it when I first got sober. I find that there are two things that help me get sober.

Occupy my time when I got sober was golf because it's really addicting. Anybody who plays golf will tell you it's super addicting. So the addict in me.

loved golf. And then when I had my kids, I stopped because it's just a time suck. Yeah. And then when the kids got out of the house, which is basically two years ago, I took up golf again. I hadn't played in 20 plus years. It's not boring to you? No, because you're chasing the high.

Of that perfect shot. And it's, it's surfing is the only other sport and I play almost everything. I love, I'm very active. I do it all. It's the only other thing that you chase the high. And so, um, hence my new, um, golf thing. Um, but I, I, so I don't do that and I don't go, I'm not looking at what's trending on Twitter. Um,

Yeah, I never do that. Part of me feels like, look, if it's like the Capitol. Yeah, I heard about it. I mean, how did you hear? How did you hear about it? If you weren't watching, how did you hear about somebody said turn on the TV? Yes, it was. It was. I ran it. Somebody as people do. And I figure if it's I'm going through a thing where I'm going, if it's big enough to warrant it, I'm going to hear about it. I don't need to sit there and monitor it.

and focus on it and obsess on it. And I'm just happier. I am. I'm happier because I'm not exposing myself to it. Now, let me just say this though. If your show

It sounds like I'm a paid shill for your show, but I really do love it. If your show were running 24-7, I would have that on 24-7. I would. What I don't want to watch is- We're glad it's not running 24-7. I know you are. You work hard enough as it is. No, because now I do radio for Sirius XM on Thursdays. I do a live radio show at five o'clock. And I like that you can talk to people in real time about stuff that's going on. And I just, you know-

We've been doing COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, and I said, let's just do something fun. Let's just do something, whether it's Super Bowl, or I said, you know, my daughter, I just got married over the holidays and she finally let me announce it. She got married at Oprah's house, social distancing, just six people there.

And so I said, now for the first time, I'm a mother-in-law. So I said to favorite listeners, that's what I call them, what can you tell me about being a good mother-in-law? Or better still, what can you tell me what not to do? What not to do, which I thought was good. What not to do? And somebody said, you know, don't give your opinion unless asked. I go, who does that? You can't give an opinion?

Nope. Don't give an opinion unless asked. Oh, that's going to be hard. But that sounds like good advice. Do you know that there's a shot in golf called the what's there's the son-in-law and daughter-in-law shot in golf? What is that? Do you know what that is? You hit a shot and you go, son-in-law. And they go, what is that? Not what I was hoping for, but I'll take it.

And what's the daughter-in-law? It's the same. Do they have a mother-in-law? They have a mother-in-law one? That would be funny. What would that be? But I like this. Not what I was hoping for, but I'll take it. Isn't that great? Yeah, that is good. My other favorite golf shot is...

When you hit a putt and it rolls and rolls and it's turning and it's slowing down and it's slowing down and it's turning and it gets to the cup and it turns it. And it doesn't go in. You go, oh, Venezuela. One more revolution and it would have been perfect. Hey, golf got jokes. I like it. Golf got jokes. Venezuela.

Rob, aren't you all COVIDed out? I'm just so tired of talking to people. I'm so sick of a Zoom meeting. So sick of a Zoom call. So sick of sick of it. Can I tell you something? I'm really my brother, Chad, has three daughters under the age of 11. And they have not been in school since March 1st.

And I just don't. The amount of development that a child goes through in a year in school, forget what they're learning. It's the interactions. And I am really worried, really worried. On the other hand, what's life going to be like when we, quote, go back to normal? I think about that. What's that going to be like? Well, here's one. I was like, I know there's stuff I'll never do again.

For sure, I'll never do it again. Okay, this is what I did on my radio show the other day. I asked favorite listeners, call me with things that you won't do again once we go back to normal. And one of them was blow out candles on a birthday cake. Because you know how we went...

Ooh, you're right. I can see the spit flying everywhere, but I would say, still want a piece of that cake. Ew! I won't do that again. No. So I want to hear what yours was about what you won't do again once we go back to, quote, normal, whatever that is. So I love skiing. I'm wearing my snowbird shirt, as it turns out, and just –

Coincidentally, at Snowbird, they're famous for this beautiful tram that gets you up to the mountain very quickly. And they pack 160, I think, people. Wow. Like you cannot move. Like sardines. And it's always been gross. It's always been people breathing on you and other things. It's just so disgusting. And it's always been that. Now? Yeah.

There's no way I'm ever doing that again. Ever. But, Rob, it sounds so gross. Why did you do it before? Because it was the only way to get to the top. For years, it was the only way to get to the top of the mountain, legitimately. Or even, you know, gondolas, all that stuff. I mean, I'm not a bit – listen, I fly when I have to, but I'm not going to – that's been – another thing, being gross for years. Gross! Gross!

And you want to tell me that they're cleaning out those filters on the airlines? Give me a break. There's no way. No way. Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob. We interviewed the president of Delta Airlines.

And they have a whole different system, Rob Lowe, on the airlines. Oh, I'm sure they do. That it's recycled and it's recleaned. And they say now the airlines is actually safer than going to the grocery store. These were the same people that would sell you a smoking and non-smoking seat and the smoking seat was directly in front of you. How do they know about air flow?

Well, it's changed now, Rob. It's changed. But, you know, when someone said about the blowing of the birthday candles, I said, that's true. That's true. How about this? Handshakes. Somebody said, I won't go back to handshakes. I'll do this. I'll do the elbow. I don't like any of the replacements. I feel all of them seem. I think the little bow is OK. You don't like that?

Well, hi. I mean. People listening to the podcast, I'm doing a little bow to Rob Lowe. Okay. I don't think he likes it. See, it's not a full bow, Rob. It's just a, you know, you just nod your head. Here's why I don't like it. Anybody that hits me with the prayer hands, I feel like there's an element of full of shit about them. It's always been my experience that when somebody hits me with that.

There's something going on where they're trying to put. So here's I don't like the fist bump. Elbow, elbow, elbow. The elbow bump reminds me of the Oakland A's Bash Brothers steroid guys. Don't like that either. OK, so I know. Do the heart sign where people do their hearts? That's no, that's I don't think that's good. I take that. No, I don't know what to do. Oh, I thought someone told me you just hit your heart like this, like good to see you and you hit your heart.

I thought that was pretty good. I kind of like putting your hand, putting your hand over your heart. Yes. And you just go, Hey, that was pretty good. I'm down for, do you remember the movie? The sting? Yes. I'm down for this. Robert Redford.

Oh, the nose thing. Remember when they put the gang, their secret thing, when they put their gang together, it's kind of like they did that. Yeah, they flicked their nose. I could do that. I also, I wouldn't mind. I don't like that. First of all, here's what we should all do. I don't like the flicking of the nose. Okay, how about this? We all need to go back to wearing hats so a man can tip his hat at people. But then, I love that. I love the tipping hat, but if you don't have a hat on, it's like you're miming and I'm not a big fan of mimes. Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like the hat tip, no.

Hats to, I don't know. What are we going to do? Because now it is fist bump. I like the heart, the tapping of the heart. The elbow thing doesn't bother me because you get kind of close. You do a little elbow thing. I think that's kind of nice. I find the thing that's stuck for me and I don't love it is the fist bump. Now I'm kind of, I just kind of accept it. But you're right. I think shaking hands is done. Yeah, I do too. I do too.

And you're not going to be blowing out candles. Or somebody said they're going to make these super duper tall candles on the cake and you just have one or something like that. But I thought that that was interesting. I don't know. Maybe that we don't want to come. Maybe we need to have a ceremonial pocket fan. It's like a birthday ceremonial pocket fan that when it's your birthday, you blow the candles out with your ceremonial pocket.

Pocket fan. I don't know. I don't think that's not such a bad idea. What is that? Is that a guitar behind you? Yes. And a piano. Do you play? No, because Cheryl Lowe has seen fit to move me out of my house in Montecito. Is she mad at you?

Oh, no, we're all moved out. We moved. I heard that. I saw that on the news. So we were in we just moved into our rental that we're going to be in for three years while we build. And there's nowhere for me to record the show. So I'm I'm a pro now. I'm in an actual studio. It's so good now. Oh, OK. But so you don't really play the piano or the guitar? No.

Gail, I wish people could see this because he's sitting in front of a piano and then there's a guitar beside him. He looks like he's going to serenade me at any moment. Yeah, no, I can fake play like no one's business. Do you know that I fake played the saxophone and Bill Clinton thought it was real? He did. He was fist bumping me. And he wrote me a letter and said that he wanted to invite me to the White House for

To play a duet. And I was mortified because I was like, oh, my God, he thinks it was real.

And it was a whole kerfuffle. I was in a shame spiral involving the president of the United States and my fake saxophone playing. Yeah, your imitation of him is really good. He's kind of easy though, right? No, no, no, no. I've seen some bad imitations of Bill Clinton. I've seen some bad ones. Yours is good. I'm trying to think of who I have that's new. I'm working on a Joe Biden. It's not ready for unveiling yet.

I don't think he really has anything that's like Trump because Alex so nailed that one. But I don't think Biden has a thing that's so distinct that you could imitate. Dana Carvey sent me his impersonation of Joe Biden involved him mixing up. Was it Bob Woodward with Joanne Woodward, which made me laugh. Yeah.

I told Bob to join Woodward. I said, come on, man. We know what it is. It's the people first. Number one. Number two. It's not rocket science. Come on, man. It was like that was basically it was wasn't bad. Joe Biden, by the way, is the nicest man who ever lived. Yes. Isn't he? Yes. That's what I'm saying. Decency and sanity is a good way to start. You know, people said that boring is the new sexy. I'll take that.

Yeah. Sometimes you just want to bring. I know what I need to ask you. Tell me what the what is this Chris Rock thing you're doing? That sounds amazing. I adore him. He's great. So we did a we did an interview. He's got his new thing on Netflix, Tambourine. Mm hmm.

Started as an interview and it went so well we made it into a one-hour special. Because Chris Rock is in a different place in his life. He's 55. He really came to play and really came to engage. He talked about therapy and addicted to porn and infidelity in his marriage. He talked about race relations. He talked about his career. You should watch it. I should send you the link, Rob Lowe. Will you please? I will send you the link.

I will, and you promise you'll watch it? Hell yeah. 100%. Let me, I got to show you what the bear, the, so the bear is,

Were you at Oprah's property when the bear was, had a sighting? Yes. Yes. Security came and said, Ms. King, we're going to have to, because, you know, I live there. We did the show from Oprah's guest house for the month of July. So security came and said, Ms. King, we're going to have to ask you to remain inside. There's been a bear. I go, where? I want to see. No, we're going to have to ask you to remain inside. They had the bear. The bear was on my golf course. Same bear. Yeah.

Bear likes to golf. The other day, there was some coyotes on her property. You got some coyotes out there in Montecito. I love having... About six years ago, you know where the San Ysidro Pharmacy is in Montecito? Yes. I was driving past there at night and came around a corner, probably a little too fast, and slammed on my brakes because I thought I was about to hit somebody's Shetland pony that had got out, only to realize it was a bear.

Wow. See, be careful. You know, Montecito is quickly becoming the new hot spot, you know. Oh, I know. And I don't know how I feel about it. Besides Oprah and, you know, you're there. I think Katy Perry's going to be moving there if she hasn't already. Harry and Meghan. Adam Levine?

Who? Adam Levine. Oh, is he there too? He's a new neighbor. Oh, wow. But, you know, Prince Harry, I think I saw him in driving. I don't believe that was him with a ponytail. I don't believe you.

I don't know. I'm not sure you saw him. No. Well, it was for sure him. That's not in doubt. What is in doubt is it's not a ponytail. Oh, no, no. It was him for sure. It was him. One hundred percent him because he turned into. Was he driving? He was driving and he and he turned into the road that he lives on. I don't think he has a ponytail, though.

He probably doesn't, but it looked awfully pulled on the side. It looked awfully tight. It looked awfully tight on the side. And I'm a connoisseur of men's hair. I'm obsessed with any man's hair. I can talk chapter and verse on. So you didn't make eye contact with him? No. He was behind very VIP smoke-filled glass. And we were moving very. So if he's behind smoke-filled glass, how do you know it was him?

Because it was him. He's a famous face. You can't see through the smoke-filled glass, Rob, is all I'm saying. Very famous face. I'm telling you. Have you ever like somebody? Have you ever passed somebody in a car or street and then you get a block away? Oh, my God. That was not with a smoke-filled glass. It wasn't that smoke-filled.

I need to get – see, this is why you're a news person and I'm not because I was very happy to go with that. I was happy to go without any substantiation at all. Yeah. I need more details of that, Rob Lowe. Yeah. I was like, I'm going for it. He had a ponytail. I'd rather be first than right.

Don't you think? No, I'd rather be right than first. No. When when when are you coming back to visit me and Oprah? When's that happening? I don't know, man, because, you know, she's got very strict covid protocols, as you know. Yes. You come you got a quarantine for 14 days, you know.

Most people don't have time to do that on a weekend. You just want to fly in and say hello. Yeah. But she ain't playing with it. You know, she had pneumonia back in January. Oh, yeah. And she still feels the stuff of that. So she's she's she is very COVID phobic. You think I'm bad. She's really bad. She takes no chances. So.

You know, I just want everybody to get all vaccined up so we can at least communicate and be with each other. I know. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah, I know. I'm ready for when they get to my group, my grouping. You know, I'm not on the group yet, but I'm ready to do it when we can. But I want to get it going because I want to see you. Cheryl Lowe wants to see you. Yeah, that would be good. You've got to come see our little rental. I would like that. Our little rental we're living in. Yeah.

What's your definition, Rob, of little? It's got a studio. My definition of little is – Yes. What's your definition of little, Richard? That I am back in a closet the size of what I had when I was a single man in my 20s. Oh, there you go. That's why you're wearing a snowbird T-shirt. Oh, yeah. This is my black tie outfit now. I know.

This is like Rob dressed up for me, guys. He dressed up. It's green with white lettering. Yes, it did. I green to bring out my eyes for you, Gail. You know, I'm sorry. Well, thank you. This is so fun. Thank you for doing this. This is great. I thought it was so nice of you to ask me. Thank you. And it was a team. Thank you, Devin. Thank you. Team was good. You were great. Joanna, you have a good team. You're technologically so savvy. We learned a lot. No, Devin taught me something.

Like when you said, no, because where do I plug this in, Dev, in the headphones? In your computer in the round hole. Oh, I can do that. I can do that. I'm going to send you the BET special with Chris. Yeah, no, please. I want you to see it. Okay, well. Please, please. Thank you so much. How great is Gail? Isn't she great? And I know it's a podcast. You can't see her. But man, she's what did she say? She was 60 something. Wow. I want to look like that.

I really do. Anyway, that was fun. Tune in next. Tune in. I love that I use all these old phrase. Tune in. Tune in. But it makes the sounds like like makes this show sound like so much more than it frankly is. If I use phrases like that, tune in. Be with us next week because we have a really, really, really great guest. And I know you're going to love it. Thanks for being with me. And we'll see you soon.

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