Jim Gaffigan: Who's Your Boiler Maker?
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Hey, everybody. Welcome to literally glad that you are with us. The great Jim Gaffigan is joining us. Just a funny, multi-talented, interesting dude. And I love when I have funny people on the show and he does not disappoint. Stay with us. In the entertainment industry, you're like the Jeff Bezos.

of entertainment people because we've as we've charted your career you're oh he's on Westwick oh he's on uh Parks and Recreation oh he uh you know there's a lot of things going on and Rob what I need to know is yes sir what are you running from my inner child is so petrified of quiet yeah of

Just simple, quiet. That if I'm not on a set with, you know, 200 people, you know, happy to see me or unhappy to see me, but acting like they're happy to see me. Right. Probably more truthfully. Literally. Literally. I'm literally. I'm literally. So I've listened to every episode of this. No, you haven't. No, but like if I did, would, does everyone talk about the name of the podcast?

No one's ever talked about it. Because of my 12 year old daughter, I forget her name. She went through a phase where she would say literally, literally. Come on. I love her already. Yeah. She was very excited about it. And she was like 11 at the time. It wasn't like a cute little kid. It was a sassy preteen.

That was like literally. You're from Indiana. I, my, my dad, my dad's a Hoosier. I grew up in spending a lot of time in Anderson and Lake Wawa Sea learning how to water ski. So what your dad was like, he was like the one good looking guy in Indiana. He was like, we got to get out of here.

They ran him out with pitchforks. My favorite is he tells us a great story. Like when he graduated from UVA, he went to UVA law school and he was like, I got to figure out which big city I'm going to go practice in Indianapolis or Dayton. And he chose Dayton. You grew up in Dayton. Oh my gosh. But you were such a young, you had like the young success. Like you were working when you were 18. I had my, my first TV series at 15.

That's why were you so lazy? Why'd you wait so long? I don't know. I, you know what it was, Jim? I was like, you know what? I know what I want to do. I want to start paying taxes now. Yeah. For the rest of your life. You know, what's interesting.

So you're Midwestern. You're trash like me. There's a very specific Indiana iteration of that. And I'm definitely one. But no one ever assumes like you're Midwestern. People look at me and they're like, that guy's from the Midwest.

But like people never look at you and go, oh, that guy is from like, so he's from like a suburb of Indianapolis. Yeah. You have what I like to call Bob Evans face. That's I mean, are you saying that's that's code for good looking, right? It is. But you know what I'm saying? It's like if you walked into a Bob Evans, there might be a picture of you at some point going celebrating his 100th birthday. I might be working there. But you know, they say God does not give with both hands.

Right. Can't have everything. So you're kind of a closet Midwestern conservative, aren't you? I am not. I was a very, very conservative.

left wing Democrat for many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many years. And then I had kids, which changes. I don't need to tell you. You've made a career about talking about kids and what that does. And and then I became finally became a registered independent. I'm truly, truly, truly, truly the swing voter that you read about, but never meet.

Yeah, I think most of America is like that. I mean, I would say that I grew up in this ruby red state, you know, so like I like during the Bush years, I really I might not have agreed with a lot of it, but I understood the appeal of it. So like that Republican era stuff made sense. But now none of it makes sense to me. Even in those days, the rhetoric was pretty hot.

But, but, but I think the difference was, is they both people knew it was rhetoric. Remember the Bugs Bunny cartoon, the Warner Brothers cartoon where it's the Fox. Hang on. It's the big shaggy dog who's chasing the coyote.

And they fight each other all day long. And then the whistle in the factory blows and they shake hands and go eat lunch. Do you remember that? That whole thing? That's what politics used to be like. Yeah. Well, during the Civil War, if you watched that documentary, it was amazing. They would fight and then they would have tea together and then they would go back to fighting. Whereas now.

I don't know. I mean, I know that like a lot of people think they're hoping that you and I, you know, an actor, you know,

and a comedian that's better looking than you can get together and can solve this. And I think we can, but it's, it is interesting bringing the temperature down. I don't know. Well, listen, you're, you're around this. See, this is where you see what a pro had become. See, Jim, you're out touring the country with your, your new show. That was amazing. I came right out of what we were actually talking about. And then now this is why you're on the show. And it just seemed like it wasn't a plug at all. Although it is.

For sure. No, and this is not a plug for my Netflix special at all. This is just... I wanted to talk to you, and this isn't...

This is not just like some mistake you made to Conan to agree to do this and then you regret it immediately. This is you enjoy this. Yes. And you would never you would never sully your art by actually promoting it. No, I would never. I mean, it's like if I had a Netflix special that came out on December 21st, I would never bring it up. No, no. And well, you'd bring it up. But I think bring I think the date part makes it seem a little sweaty.

I don't think you should really ever, right? You never would actually say the date. You know, I'm an artist. You know what I mean? And I don't believe in censorship.

Unless they want me to not say something. You know what I mean? Because then I'm like, all right, fine. Yes. But the Netflix special in all states is the filmed version of the latest tour. Is that right? Yes. Well, you know, that's the whole tricky thing when you're a comedian. You do a special. How long do the, let me ask you this. How long do the, once the special comes out. Yeah. How long can you do that material for? Typically until it airs. Until it airs.

But there's an unspoken agreement that people that come to shows that it's going to be. No, but wait, I've had it's so funny because I've had I don't know if you're aware of this, Jim, but I also tour with my own show. Yes. Well, you also have a couple of books. But people were saying, well, if you ever film it, then you there's a there's there's a little bit of time where you can still do that material.

But obviously, after, I don't know, however many dates is you can't you can't go out and do the same thing over. Obviously. But I was wondering how long you will tour this after it drops on December 21st. Yeah, I call it plop, plop and drop. Oh, I like that. Can I steal that joke? Yeah. No, that's that's a keeper. Oh, to answer your question. But like once a special comes out, I mean, once you take that.

It's a completely different task creating material. You go from like creating to editing to refining. And, um, but it's, I mean, I, you know, this is my ninth special. I really enjoy the process. When you're filming them. Do you, I mean, there's only so much one can do to film a stage show. It is, it sort of is what it is. There are only so many angles, you know, you don't want the, the filming to be intrusive to the audience. I mean, but like that said, um,

How how creative have you ever been tempted to get or like do you have certain do you watch somebody's show and go, oh, I love the way they shot that. That was a different take. Yeah, I feel as though in the end, particularly with a comedy special, it really comes down to the material and the performance of it. It's the camera angle is as cute as you get.

as beautiful as these theaters are it, you know, it's people's time. Uh, it's very precious. It's not like, you know, uh, you can have the house of cards, four minute opening tracking shot. And then someone says one work. It's like, you gotta earn every, every, uh, moment or so. Yeah. It's, um, the play, I was looking at the places you're playing there. Those are big old places. Yeah.

Yeah, it's absurd. It's weird because I didn't have an expectation that comedy would get to this point or necessarily I would get to this point. But yeah, there's some, you know, arenas 15 years ago were a horrible place for comedy. But the technology has advanced so dramatically that the audio is

everyone can hear it everyone can see it you know and some something you know as as you know we all know going to a live event the larger the event the more excitement you know human beings around uh other human beings enjoying the same thing is pretty electric and you know by the way the first time i think i met you in person

uh was uh at uh through a uh colts thing an indianapolis colts thing and so like if those live you know with in the case of the colts though the alive nfl game it's just it's electric you know it's a different kind of vehicle that you're driving like a big venue it's like driving a big bus

I've heard that, I'm not saying your business, but business of people on the road is down almost an average of 30%. Does that make sense? Some of it depends on what people you draw. People that come to my show, it could be a whole family. It could be a 65-year-old or a 12-year-old. It's usually 5% or 6%. But on some shows...

And then also, I mean, I was very lucky. Some people had negative ticket sales. Let me ask you this. Do you find it when you play casinos or that you play the wind? I see. I play the Criss Angel Theater. Do you notice a difference in the crowd reaction? I totally do. You have way more experience. I used to. I should say that I know I look very young, but I

I've been doing this for 30 years. I started when I was one. But colleges and casinos, it's shifted dramatically. And some of it might be the certain venues you're at. But yeah, it's a different experience. But, you know, Rob, the people, you know, your draw covers a gamut or different aspects of your career. Whereas

People feel like there's probably some people that are like, I had a crutch on Rob Lowe when I was 20. So I'm going to go and see Rob Lowe in the flesh, where it's like no one's doing that for me. Like no one's come in. They're coming because of my stand up. You know what I mean? And that I have a really good body. Right. Do you show your body a lot on stage?

I usually wear a onesie. It's usually hot pink. You see Kim Kardashian on the SNL. We swap out there. Have you thought about wearing, as William Shatner famously did in like season three of Star Trek, when he finally was like watching and going, you know what? And he goes to the girdle. Have you thought about that kind of a Spanx kind of situation? Well, I always wear a bra because I never know when I might start jogging. But a sports bra. I'm all about athletics. I put my hair in a ponytail.

How do you feel about Aaron Rodgers' man bun? I am not a fan. I think he can pull it off. I love him so much, but... Yeah, why don't you marry him? Why don't you marry him? That's the best. How great was that? I wanted to do a riff of all those things we used to say. Because again, I think there's geographic stuff is super, super like in...

I'll bet you, you and I have stuff that was said to us in the playground that people in California never heard, that people in New York never heard. And it's like when we would order a soft drink, it was a pop in Ohio. It was like, do you want a pop? By the way, I worked on a movie and there was a guy who had this, there's a quiz that

that you'll answer questions like, Pop, did you call it a firefly or whatever? And they will tell you where you grew up. Lightning bug versus firefly. We were lightning bugs. Well, I've been traveling around and I've lived outside of the Midwest. I got it wrong. Like it picked that I grew up in Reno. By the way, we didn't make a sandwich. We fixed a sandwich. You fixed a sandwich. Oh my God. You know what? I just had that overwhelming feeling

Like nostalgia. So did we. I hadn't thought of, I haven't thought of it since I was 10 years old. I'm going to go fix a sandwich. 100%. My mother was an English teacher and she was on it. So I've got a lot of sort of archaic sort of proper English usage that people not only don't

pay attention to anymore. They actually don't like it. You know what drives me crazy? Mental. R.I.P. If you can't say they were a wonderful person and I love their this or their that, give me something. Don't just give me R.I.P. It's the worst. I just hate it so bad. Well, you know what that's similar to? That's similar to the prayer hands emoji. It is very...

very lazy. It's like, I'll pray for you, but I won't even type out that.

Here's what I always knew before emojis existed. I knew when someone hit me with the prayer hands, they were about to fuck me. I knew I was like, oh, do not trust this person. But it's you have to use it. It's not in the prayer, like literal, actual praying thing that one knows. It's that move that we all do the vaguely bowing. For me, I know it's time to watch my back. So blades about to go into it. That's my experience with the prayer hands. I actually have navigated this long career because you're now in your 70s.

Yes. People don't realize there's no school on how to navigate the entertainment industry. It's so when someone is in their twenties and they struggle through something, people don't realize that it's not as if there's this track record or there's a mentor program, but like when, like, do you feel like you dodged a lot of bullets? Because first of all, it's funny you mentioned mentors because I,

No one was mentoring me. Like, I certainly didn't have like Warren Beatty calling me and going, you know, a kid. Yeah. I kind of like you. And I didn't I didn't have that. I mean, you know, and I don't think it really goes on. And I would have loved that because I just made it up as I went along. I mean, legitimately. But the other thing is, there's no rules. I mean, what works for somebody else doesn't work for somebody else. And there's so much of it is time. And then what worked three years ago doesn't work now.

100%. Yeah, people are like, can you give me advice? I'm like, I don't know what to tell you. I mean, when I started, there were...

You know, there was no Comedy Central. There was no YouTube. It's a completely different environment. Yeah. And when I started acting, there were the entertainment business was focused on an audience of adults. Like you made movies for adults and there were kids in them. Yeah. So you could play Paul Newman's son in something. And then there were these offshoot one-off movies.

you know, sort of like Bugsy Malone. Yeah. But like it wasn't, the business wasn't predicated totally to 18 year olds. So there wasn't that kind of work that there is now. You know, now every once in a while, it's an odd thing to see a movie. The odd movies are the ones for adults. Those are the ones that are like the one-offs now. Yeah.

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You know, it's very easy to be like, oh, I don't care. But it is repulsive. So like the balancing act. I remember when you and I was joking with it about you earlier on is that you wouldn't sully yourself with going on promoting your material. But like it's like you never saw Dustin Hoffman on The Tonight Show. Yeah. You literally actually did never see Warren Beatty ever.

on TV. Bruce Springsteen. Yeah. I tell you what, you wouldn't see Bruce Springsteen in the Super Bowl. I can tell you that. Bruce is a smart guy. But the reality is, I've seen this in comedy, is that comedy is similar to the notion of liberty. It's always shifted. And so there are comedians that are great during certain decades. But if you are not constantly adjusting...

to the change of the public appetite or our understanding. I mean, you know, you growing up in Dayton, me growing up in Indiana, it's like we wouldn't even fathom trans rights. And I'm thrilled. I'm thrilled, you know, as I think it's great. My 17 year old daughter is an advisor to me on all this stuff. And so society is always shifting. And so I do think that people

I don't necessarily, I mean, I love acting and I've enjoyed every up there that I've had, but I think navigating through different decades, similar to standup comedy, you have to adjust to the realities of different decades. And everybody has different tastes. Yeah. But if jokes don't kind of take, for me, if they don't kind of take my breath away a little bit,

It's just not as good as the ones that do. No. And when you mean breath away, you meaning like if it doesn't surprise you or shock you. Surprise me, shock me a little bit of I can't believe they went there, as the kids would say. I would say on some level, people love that shock stuff. But we also loved another son of Dayton, Jonathan Winter.

Jeremy. And so we also dad worked at winter's bank. We also loved, you know, Bob Newhart and we love Seinfeld and we love Stephen Wright. And there's a different way to take your breath away.

And for sure, I do think that like, and by the way, just to be clear, I, I don't like the, the, the, the shock value of it. It's like, it's the surprise. You're right. You said it. It's this, it's the surprise as well. It's, it's, it's not profanity for profanity sake or, or, or going for, you know, like create, like, I can't believe they just made a mother Teresa AIDS joke. I'm not like, it's not that right. I'm not down with that. Well, it's also one of those things where, um,

And you have successfully navigated straight acting and comedy. And the whole thing is, it's about authenticity, too. So that is what we also crave.

But, you know, comedians are my brothers and sisters. You know, I'm going to have to, you know, like even if your brother is a dick, you have to defend them. But like that being said, I believe in there's nothing wrong with being exceedingly empathetic. You know, I believe in a velvet hammer. That's not to say that I don't lose my temper and I'm not a dick at times. But, you know, it's really interesting.

you know from a society or a societal uh interpretation and the weird thing is is that that in all those different cases the one thing i see that it's universal in all of it is an absence of empathy it's like you know i'm not saying one-on-one

If I was talking to you like I am right now and it wasn't being recorded, I might delve into things. But in the end, I'm a Midwestern guy and I do know people's feelings are important. And if I can control that, my language causes someone pain. You know, I think some of why I got some success is that

I never really engaged in the us and them. And I know I'm sure I'm sure I've been guilty of it in this. And so I don't know. I just think that like across the board and I'm not saying I even do this, but like we should probably be like empathetic because you're never going to

Be wrong if you lean towards empathy. And that's why I'm running for senator. I am going to cut that down into a 30-second commercial, and I'm going to run it in every swing state. There you go. Yeah. You have how many kids? Five, seven? What is it? Five kids. Five kids. They were all born in the house? They were. Well, in the apartment. Was this because you were too lazy to go to the hospital? Not too cheap. Oh, yes. Got it. No, you know what's interesting?

One of my friends has eight kids, which just seems bananas. She brought a friend

17 kids. 17. The block I grew up in in Ohio, there was the Monaghan's, the Richardson's, these, you know, Irish Catholic families, and they all had nine, eight, 10 kids. All of them. Yeah. It was unbelievable. I mean, it was great for, you know, wiffle ball. Yeah. Do you, did you have a favorite room for the birthing? We did. Did you birth all over the damn place?

We did it. I mean, I didn't do anything. My wife did it all. Were you like drinking coffee in the other room? Keep it down. No, I was the coach. And so it's bananas. Bananas. I cannot imagine it. It's crazy. It's crazy. But these midwives are pretty brilliant.

It makes perfect sense. It actually makes 100% perfect sense to me. Yeah. But he couldn't pull it off. It's not up to me anyway. It's up to our wives. I mean, they're doing all the literal heavy lifting, but. Yeah. I mean, I just have this, hmm, I think this corner of the living room is good. Can we move that ficus out of the way? Is that what goes on? We brought in, you know, kiddie pool kind of thing for a water burp.

I mean, I can't even digest the error. You know what I mean? I'm so with you on that.

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Qualifying plan required. Wi-Fi were available on select U.S. airlines. Deposit and Hilton Honors membership required for 15% discount terms and conditions apply. Were you a Boilermaker? I was. I mean, for like a second. Let me ask you this, because it might be, with all respect to the folks at Purdue. Yeah.

It is either the greatest sports name or the worst. And I can't figure out which it is. Boilermakers. I like the journeyman workman, like salt to the people. But is it a person who makes a boiler or is it is it the drink? Is there a drink? What is it? Oh, there is. I think there is. I think they're how I understand that.

But it's like a guy with a wrench who's coming to kick your ass in the football field and then make a boiler as well. Well, similar to like a lot of the things on a film set having kind of a double meaning from like boats and stuff like that, like a boom, right? A boiler maker. I think that Purdue was creating a football team and they went up

to steel mills in gary and got these big huge guys that worked on the boiler makers you know and so they got them but they worked on but see no no but they worked on the boilers they weren't making the boilers and if they were actually making them i'm gone way into the weeds on this but i am kind of obsessed why were they the boilers why are the purdue boilers

Then I should know, but I don't. I went there for a year. So the other thing is, what is a Hoosier? No one's ever been able to give me a straight answer. All right. So here's how I understand it. So as you know, similar to Oklahoma, it was land set aside for the people that we stole the other lands from.

And like the American government always does, they change their mind. They're like, you got to go. But understandably, the native people were like, hey, we're not going and we're going to attack the settlers that come here. So it came a time where if someone was outside your house, it's going to sound ridiculous, but this is what I was told. You'd say, who's there?

Who's there? So it was such a common thing. It became Hoosier. Hoosier. A Hoosier. That's one of the versions. I've heard that, but that's, I've heard that too. I have to say that's the, that is the, that sounds like the sort of most definitive one.

You know what else you were in that I had forgotten about? I'm looking at my notes. See, I have notes. I'm a professional. Yeah. No, you're totally. Chappaquiddick. I love that movie. I thought movie was great. Oh, thanks. I love that movie. Jason Clark was great. Kate was great. You're okay. Um, and. Okay. You know, what's interesting is I think it's very interesting to see movies. You know what? It's my capture people's attention.

And this might be one that we discussed. Like the cultural processing that we do as a society. And sometimes it, you know, because like It's a Wonderful Life was considered a failure. You know, there's a lot of movies that

Are great. And then there's movies that were completely adored. I watch them like this is garbage. Well, I actually am making a list of making a list of movies that of like essential movies.

And then it, for me, and then I'm making a list of movies that I don't get that I, that I know I'm supposed to, that's actually the more fun list for me. Oh, I want to hear it. Cause I want you to alienate people. So tell me, I know. Well, and what I realized is looking to the list,

Is there certain things that are in common? And what is in common in that is they usually are the same actors or actresses. Like, I know I'm supposed to love them. I know I am. Everybody loves them. I know I'm supposed to love them. Don't love them so much. Or how about this? It was I saw it on TV last night again, and it's on my top 20 is The Thing, John Carpenter's movie.

Can we talk? I mean, how many Halloween movies are they going to get? By the way, it's funny you mentioned Halloween. Halloween, the first one, is on my list of essential movies.

Yeah. 100%. It's an essential movie. I had my kids watch that. It's great. Yeah. And by the way, I think Jamie Lee Curtis is amazing. She's great in it. There's some intangible quality to her that is likable, vulnerable, empowering. It's pretty amazing. She's great. All right. Mr. Gaffigan, when do you play close to LA? I don't, you know, there's, it's,

It's not announced, but there's a friend of mine who's much more famous than me that we were going to do L.A. together. It got delayed. And so I don't know. It's weird because L.A. is a tricky audience. It's OK. It's funny you say that because I have not done L.A. or New York.

I kind of like circle it, but I feel like. And by the way, I love LA. It's just like places like LA does not need entertainment. It's LA. And right. And by the way, I wouldn't even say Nashville because I think that Nashville is obviously that's an entertainment hub. But I also think New Orleans, they don't need that. They're like, we don't need this. Oh God. I would love a New Orleans audience. That would be flipping amazing. Oh, you should totally do that.

Yeah, I'm psyched. Well, when you do play somewhere near here. I'm staying at your house. And I'm going to come heckle you. You can say, Jimmy, you're not that good looking. And I'd be like, yeah, right. Well, thanks for coming on. This was great. Thank you. Jim Gaffigan.

Who's your out there listening to this show? I don't know. When I talk with people like that, I just start riffing and being ridiculous. And I had so much fun. And I like that he took control of the show. Hopefully more guests will do that so I can work even less. And now it is time to check the lowdown line. Hello, you've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-

570-4551. So have at it. Here's the beep.

Hi, Rob. It's Eileen calling from Toronto. First of all, thanks so much for creating your podcast during the pandemic. It really, really helps get through the days. Anyway, my question for you is around grief. I know, not a fun topic, but a really important one. I'm a social worker and bereavement educator, and I was wondering if you could tell us about a significant death in your life and what helped you deal with your grief. Thanks, and keep doing what you do.

Thank you for doing what you do. I always like hearing from people who are actually out in the world making an actual difference. You know, my probably the most significant death in my life was my mother. And she died far too young at 64 years old of breast cancer. And I was able to be with her when she passed. And, you know, I was able to be with her when she passed.

You know, for me, even something like that is sort of way too early and unexpected, has the quality of the cliche of circle of life, not some fearful, mysterious moment, although it is certainly fearful and mysterious. But again, thank you for what you do. You're really making a difference on something that is there for all of us. Thank you.

And tune in, tune in, tune in like I'm Paul Harvey. Anyway, I'll see you next week. Bye-bye.

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