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How is the great state of Texas treating you? It's great, man. I'm enjoying it very much so. The new studio, I love. But am I picking up on chatter that there are some that think they don't like your new architectural taste? Or am I just making this up? You know, there is no way you can make everyone happy. It is impossible. And if you do something weird like that studio... No! Wait, wait. No! I'm telling you, this is what I've learned. Ha ha ha ha!
I'm Rob Lowe. Welcome to Literally With Me. All right, we got the king on. The king, all hail the king of podcasting, the mighty Joe Rogan. I mean, Joe Rogan strides like a colossus over the world of podcasting, and his show is weird and funny and interesting and controversial and in-depth and
He's revolutionized what this medium can be. And I am going to learn a lot from him and have learned a lot from him. And we are going to have a great talk. And he doesn't do many podcasts, I don't think. So this is a really big deal to have him. And I hope you like it as much as I liked talking to him. Fasten your seatbelt.
The decision to move here from let's move here to move the entire crew and put a studio and have it on the air all happened inside of six weeks. So it was really, it was very quick. So that's what we decided to make happen in six weeks. And I'm eventually going to get out of that spot and move to another spot. And I'm actually looking at doing something like that right now.
What prompted the six-week turnaround? Well, I just decided I had enough of California. Are you peeing? Joe, are you peeing right now? No, no. I'm pouring water into a container to make coffee. Okay. I'm just checking. I don't – you never know. Wow.
Well, I would tell you if I was peeing, but you're going to hear the coffee machine any second now. The decision was just, I wanted to get out of here for a while, and I took my family to Austin a couple of times, and they really liked it, and the girls were into it, my daughters were into it, and if they were into it, I was like, well, come on, let's give it a shot. The worst thing that happens, we hate it, we come back to LA. But they love it, and so we're here. How hot is it? Like, compared to Mars? Yeah.
it's not dude it's not that bad it really is not that bad and i don't mind heat i've always liked hot weather so the august weather was no big deal but you know it gets like 100 sometimes it's 90 but right now it's like in the 80s it's gentle it's like 81 82 yesterday it was 75 it's not bad that's great but it's so pretty it's i love it here
Do you do water ski or wakeboard or any of that stuff? I'm doing it now. I haven't actually begun, but we got a boat. So I'm going to do all that jazz. The thing that everybody loves now is like when I when I grew up on the lake, it was like you had your
Like the rich, cool kids had the ski Nautique boat. And like, we were always on the lookout for the hot girls on the ski Nautique. And, and you would, and, and people who could get up on one ski were bad asses. If you could barefoot, then you were really a bad ass. Um, and then now no one slalom skis and everybody does the thing where they overweight one side of the boat to create a big wake and they surf it. Have you, have you tried that? Yeah.
I haven't tried any of those things, but I do watch them all the time. I see them and I will participate. But yeah, it's I think it's I mean, I'm not I'm in no way want to jinx you, obviously, because you're my friend and I want you to live for a thousand years. But you definitely look at and you go, there's an ACL injury waiting to happen there for sure. Is there? I think I think people get a lot of ACL injuries wakeboarding. I would.
I mean, I would be the idiot who got it. That would be me. I've had two of those already. I know you, how beat up is your body really?
It's not bad considering what I've done to it. It's pretty good. But I've had three knee surgeries. I've had two ACL reconstructions, one in each knee. And then I had my meniscus scoped in my left knee as well. But that said, everything works pretty damn good. This is how you know the difference between Joe and I. Like if there was a question of like who was more of a badass, me or Joe Rogan,
Joe, in one quick sentence, tell me how you blew out your knee and then we'll compare it to how I did and we'll see who's more of a badass. I blew out my left knee kickboxing and my right knee doing jujitsu. I blew out my knee in the Footloose dance auditions. That's awesome. That's hilarious. There's a reason why you are...
You could host a show called the man show. There's nothing wrong with dancing. No, there isn't any different. I just want to dance. I just wanted to dance. I just, nothing wrong with it, man. They took me out on a stretcher. I had to do a floor slide at the end of the, at the, at the end of the audition. I think it was to a sticks song. And I,
I mean, I think I like, I looked over and we all did it at once. It wasn't like flash dance wherever there's a panel of judges and there's one person up there, like all, like all, all of the actors kind of did it in unison. I, I don't know. I think I might've looked over at Val Kilmer, you know, sliding heroically to the finish, but.
Didn't work out for me. Was he in that movie? No, he didn't get it either. He couldn't dance worth a shit either, clearly. I literally ran into him surfing about three years ago in Malibu. Martial arts is your obsession. Surfing is mine. And I was taking off on a wave and ran over.
This guy in the water. And it was Val. Oh, wow. Yeah. He's a sweetheart. So I am fascinated by...
Because, you know, when you and I met, people always just assume that all famous people know each other, right? I know. It's weird, right? Yeah, it's weird. Oh, hey, are you in the famous club? Me too. When did you get your card to the famous club? But we'd never met, and we hit it off like a house of fire. And then I was looking over your research, and I think it's because a lot of the way we grew up.
is really, really similar. I looked at, um, you, my, my, my folks divorced when I was five, your, your folks divorced when you were five, then you immediately move from one part of the country to another part of the country that could not be more different. Yep. And, you know, knowing what you want to do at an, at an early age, like your, your passion being,
you know, starting with Taekwondo and taking it all the way to where you are now with all the mixed martial arts stuff and me always wanting to be an actor. I think that might be part of it, right? Well,
You're interested in things. You're interested in a lot of things. And when we went shooting guns together, you're a guy who likes to learn the details of things. You're obviously detail-oriented. And I saw when that guy was coaching you and they were showing you how to do things.
Like you're a good learner. Like you get fascinated by things. I think we have that in common. You know, like whether you're talking about wakeboarding or any of the things that you're interested in, you get interested in things and people that are curious, they often have really good conversations. And I think that's one of the reasons why you and I hit it off so well.
Well, yeah, me too. That was fun, by the way. That range we shot at, and you were good. You were fast. Well, you were fast, but you were also smooth. And you know what they say, smooth is fast, right? Yeah.
Well, I've done it at that place probably a couple of dozen times now. And that's like where Tiana Reeves trains for John Wick and Halle Berry trains there. It's just a really great place. That guy, Taren Butler, is a multiple-time world champion shooter. So he just knows perfect technique at doing
do everything correctly and so you don't develop any bad habits. And it's really fun. I mean, it's such a polarizing subject, guns. But, you know, if you could take out the violence aspect of it and think of it as a task, as a difficult thing to learn, it's really fun to do.
Yes. As a, as a discipline, like, like, like anything else, you know, it's, it's, it's a, it's a very technical discipline and it feels really good to be proficient at it. Um, yeah. Yeah. And, and, and it's funny, I find that, um, I'm sure there are people that can be trained to be a good shot, but I, I was just a natural good shot from the first time I ever started shooting. Um,
I don't know. It's just one of those weird things. But I think you're detail oriented. You're your person who pays attention to what you're doing. I think if you follow all the instructions and you look down the site correctly and you don't flinch and.
You know, all those things. It's like, like I was saying, it's, it's just, it's, I think learning things, learning anything. I mean, I've never played a musical instrument, but I'm sure it applies there too. Learning things that are difficult to do. And as you get better and progress at them, it helps your brain. It does something good to your brain or,
or it rewards you. Like your brain enjoys these new tasks and it likes this new stimuli. And I think it makes your brain better at other things as well. I think the more things that I'm interested in, the more I'm better at the things that I primarily do. I think you're probably right. My issue is that I've learned to fake do a lot of things.
Oh, yeah. We talked about that with the guns. Yeah. Like I fake – like my whole introduction to guns was shooting in movies and TV. And of course, you have blanks and they don't make any noise and there's no recoil. So I was trained to fake a recoil.
Which is not what you want to do. You don't want to fake that when you're out there on the range. It's like if you and I got into a fight, I would stunt fight you, which means I'd miss your face purposefully by six inches. That's a good way to get your ass kicked in the real world. Yeah, the fake gun thing, I would imagine if you learn how to do it that way, it's probably difficult to unlearn. Was it hard to unlearn to like to stay still? Yeah, because really what it was is just not raising the nose, you know, and just... And that was the one thing
I needed to know. But you – look, you have so many – did we talk about this on your show that you have an interest in the –
The sensory deprivation tanks. Did we talk about that? I can't remember. I don't think we did. I don't think we did. No. Did you see the movie Altered States like I did? Yeah. Oh, yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's what got me into it originally. Okay, thank you. Okay. See, I knew we were simpatico. So for those of you who have never seen the movie Altered States, it's an underrated 80s classic that stars William Hurt –
in the prime of his movie stardom, right? It's post body heat. He's gorgeous. And he's always been a great actor and is, and basically I don't even know how you would take a crack at the log line, please. Well, it's based on a real man. The real man is John Lilly. And John Lilly was a scientist who really got heavily into psychedelic drugs. And,
And he created the sensory deprivation tank. And Lilly is also a pioneer in interspecies communication. He did a lot. This is where it gets very good. This is where it gets very good. Continue. Yeah, Lilly was a fascinating human being. But he was like a legit research scientist who was trying to figure out how to separate the mind from the body.
He was trying to figure out how to get the influence of the body, all the sensory input that comes from standing or sitting or even lying down, just, just
Just being aware of your body and just get straight to the mind. And he experimented with drugs to do that. And ultimately, he discovered this idea of floating. And the original way he did it, he used like scuba gear. So he had like a scuba headset and he would he didn't have salt in the tank.
He would just be standing upright and like the scuba headset was like suspending him in the water. So it was just like a, like a harness that kind of strapped him there. And after a while he forgot that the harness was there and he could relax. And, but he didn't like that because he could still feel the tank. He could still feel the, uh, the, the, uh, the head gear. So he devised a method of just filling this tank up with salt water.
So the water was filled with a thousand pounds of salt and he heated it to the same temperature as the surface of your skin. And if you lie in that because it's so salty and dense, you float. And because it's the same temperature as the surface of your skin, you don't feel the water. It just really does feel like you're flying.
And so then he figured out that if you can seal off the sound and make it completely silent, I mean, he had really weird systems rigged up where he could stay in there for days. He pooped in there and peed in there. And he had like a, like a whole sewage thing that cleaned everything out for him. Really bizarre stuff. But that that's where the sensory deprivation tank was invented because he wanted to figure out how to be completely free of any sensory input from the body. Okay.
There's so much to unpack. First of all, I think I clearly was in one of his actual personal tanks when I did it. Really? Because I got that he clearly was pooping in because I got the ear infection of a lifetime. I mean, my whole memory of the sensory deprivation tank was the most virulent ever.
Ear infection a human being has ever had. And it was the first day of shooting on a movie I did called Class. The night before, Andrew McCarthy and I were probably stoned. And we decided – we're big Altered States fans. And somehow we got it in our heads to look in the classifieds in the Chicago Sun-Times and see if there was a tank anywhere nearby.
And we found one and it was on the south side of Chicago, which if you are a music fan, you know, it is the baddest part of town where Leroy Brown lives. It's where Leroy Brown lives. So Leroy Brown was running a basement sensory deprivation operation. And McCarthy and I got in like mutual tanks. It was brutal. But...
I was, I was obsessed with it. And have you done it? I think that might've been one of the earliest iterations. Have you done it more recently where, where we've, where people aren't pooping in it? Have you done a good one? Yeah, I have my own. What? I have my own tank. Yeah. I had one at the studio. I wish we talked about it. I would have shown it to you. Yeah. At the studio, there's a sensory deprivation tank, those studio in LA. And now I'm having one installed in my house out here in Texas.
Okay. I have a couple of many questions. First of all, is it worth me doing it? Yeah. Even though I'm sober. Yeah. Oh yeah. A hundred percent. You don't have to be high. It's just great for relaxing. It's really great after a workout. It's really great to just to relax your muscles. It's fantastic for recovery. A lot of like professional athletes use it just for recovery.
One of the things we neglected to tell the listeners about the movie that we're obsessed with is that he turns into an ape inside the sensory deprivation tank at one point. William Hurt does. Well, that's the part of the movie that's based on Lily because Lily got really obsessed with drugs. And what that movie was supposed to be about was like a version of ayahuasca.
which is a shamanic brew that the people in the Amazon created. So the idea was sort of loosely based on Lily, who is this serious research scientist who gets really obsessed with drugs. And in the movie, he takes this brew. But with Lily, Lily was really actually into ketamine. He was really into cat tranquilizers. And he would shoot himself up with ketamine and then get into the tank.
And he was so out there and so, so bizarre in the way he would act and behave afterwards. That's,
In many people's eyes, what inspired that movie. But clearly it was inspired by Lily because in the movie, William Hurt sort of creates the tank. He uses the tank and he uses various iterations of the tank to actually go through the whole evolution of the tank in the movie. In the movie, it starts up. He's in the tank with the helmet on. And then eventually he's in a tank where he's lying down and then he becomes a monkey.
he becomes a monkey. It's the best. Yeah, you remember that? Remember it! It's awesome. I think I saw it with Charlie Sheen at the National Theater in Westwood, and of course...
You can only imagine me and Charlie Sheen in the 80s watching a guy on drugs in a tank become a monkey. And we were like, yes, this is absolutely what I want to do. Yeah, Charlie might have never recovered. That might be the answer to all the Earth's problems. I don't understand. So is there a whole thing now where there's lights inside of it? Have you heard about this?
Yeah, some people are into that. There's lights and there's actually, there's a guy in Venice. His name is Crash and he created, his name is Craig, but everyone calls him Crash. And he created like the most advanced version of the tank. And his place is called the Float Lab. It's the best sensory deprivation tank company in the world. And he's in Venice and he has a place in Westwood as well. And he also developed this screen.
It was like the lowest light emitting screen ever. And his concept was because there's no distractions while you're inside the cage, he wanted to show people like instructionals from in there. And he felt like you could learn much quicker. And he was really obsessed with this. I don't know where he's at with it right now. I haven't talked to him in a couple of years, but he created my tank, the tank that I have in L.A.
Yeah. So people are into lights. They're into music. There's a lot of weird speaker setups that people put in there. But for me, I just like silence and darkness. That's what I like. I just lie in the darkness and the silence. And I work on breathing exercises. And it, to me, it recharges me in the most amazing way. It's awesome. I love it. See, I know with me, I just know the way my life works that I would get in there and, you
All of a sudden, I would just hear a leaf blower. Just, I'd be in, I'd be in, and I'd be like, fuck.
Really? Now? No, you wouldn't put put earplugs in. First of all, that also prevents ear infections. And then once you're underwater, half your head will be underwater and you're not going to hear anything. You really want. I mean, I've set up alarm clocks next to it to remind myself. Like, in fact, I was late to the gun range once because I thought I was in there for an hour and I wound up being in there for almost two hours.
Do you fall asleep? No, you just get lost in the trance in these breathing exercises. And I set the alarm clock, but I couldn't hear the alarm through the walls of the tank. The crash tanks, the float lab tanks, he makes these really thick, heavily insulated tanks that they block out all kinds of sound. And it's just, they're amazing. They're really well insulated too, so they retain the perfect level of heat. Everything's digitally controlled. So he sets it to 94 degrees and it just stays there.
It's such a, it's, I need to do it again without Andrew McCarthy distracting me. Fucking Andrew McCarthy, man. He ruined everything for you. Ruined the movie? Kidding! Kidding! Kidding! Kid, I kid. Hold that thought. We'll be right back.
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See, I want to get to the point in my podcast where I can have people on like that. Like people who invented a sensory deprivation tank. And that's what's so fun about your – and it has always been so fun about your show is how quickly did you pivot into being able to have people on –
that you just were interested in that the public would not know when they're looking at the menu of what episodes to download? - Well, luckily when I first started, no one was listening. Like literally no one. - Right. - So I could get away with all kinds of stuff 'cause no one cared. - Right. - Like it wasn't like now, now the expectation's already there that I'm gonna have a bunch of weirdos on, so it's no problem.
Right. But back then it was, you know, people thought,
that podcasts were for idiots. It was like, what are you doing? Why are you wasting your time? It wasn't a serious thing at all. Nobody took it seriously. My professional career never revolved around the podcast. It was just something I did when I wasn't doing standup or if I wasn't doing the UFC commentary, I was just doing that for fun. And so if I had a chance to talk to someone like a John Lilly or Graham Hancock or, or these interesting people,
strange people. I love Graham Hancock. I love him too. Love, love, love when he's on your show. He's a fascinating human being. He really is. And his obsession with ancient civilizations and just the history of humanity. It's amazing. But so I had him on, he was actually one of my earlier guests, like really early on. He and I corresponded through email and became friends. And it's just back then it didn't like no one,
no one cared what I was doing. So I could have on a comedian and the next day I could have on a scientist and the next day I could have on a fighter. No one cared. So it was easy to just do whatever I wanted to. Because if you had to try to do that today, like if there was no such thing as a podcast and someone poured a bunch of money into it and built you a studio and had all this infrastructure and a bunch of producers and executives, there's not a chance in hell they would have let me do what I did. They would
They would have told me, no, no one wants to hear that. What you need to do is interview famous people or interview some singers or, you know, they would want something that would guarantee eyeballs. Yeah. And they wouldn't be wrong because it took years.
I mean, your show was really successful right in that sort of first year, but the explosion to where it is now has taken a bit, but I mean, it's, yeah, it took forever. It took forever. It wasn't really successful at all in the beginning. I mean, for the first few years, I would get like a thousand, a couple thousand people would listen. It was nothing. It was, you know, so they would be right. They would have been right. It wouldn't have been, but nobody was listening to podcasts back then. And,
And it was certainly not something I thought of as a career. It was really just for fun. I didn't make any money for the first five years. It was just fun. We just, I just did it because it was an opportunity for me to talk to my friends and talk to interesting people. See, I'm, I'm having a similar with this is I, I, I'm loving doing this more than I ever thought I ever would. And I thought it would be really fun or I wouldn't have done it.
But it's so fun. And I have to say, I don't know about for you, but when I run into people out in the world who are like, hey, I listened to this such and such. I see your guest in the podcast, this and the podcast. We immediately have a conversation that is way different than somebody saying, hey, I love you in Wayne's World or Parks and Rec. It's a whole different conversation.
Yeah, it's my favorite. It really is. And when you did my show, I knew you would be really good at it. You could tell right away. You're such an easy conversationalist and you could tell that you enjoy talking to people. And that's really all it is. And you enjoy talking to people. And guess what? People enjoy listening to people who enjoy talking to people talk. That's really, it's really that simple. It's like, it's not rocket science.
Oh, I was going to ask you what the secret sauce is, but it sounds like it's, you've got it. You've already got it. You already got the secret sauce. From your lips to God's ears, kid. It's just curiosity and being a good conversationalist. That's all it is. Like being curious and knowing how to listen and how to just, just how to talk to people. And that's kind of a, I mean, we know, you know,
you know, both of us have done some acting. We know what it's like with some actors, some actors, just, they don't talk to you. They wait for you to stop talking so they can talk. And then they talk at you. And that's not something that people like to hear, but you're not like that at all. And that's why I thought you would be really good at this. Well, thank you. I, another, another thing is I'm not, I I've, I'm very obsessed with how people communicate. Like I,
I'm really obsessed with word with like, I just am obsessed and very specific and it annoys my, my family, but I've diagnosed this thing with, with people that's going on right now. And maybe it's because so many people have grown up texting and the art of conversation is, is withering on the vine as we speak. Yeah. But I've diagnosed a new way of speaking is called second askers. And there are people who ask you a question and,
And as you're answering, they ask the same question again, but in a different way. So I'm going to show you what I mean right now is play along with me. We do a little improv. I'm going to ask you some questions. You just keep answering and I will be a second asker. So, Joe, how do you like Austin? How do you like Austin? I love it here. It's great. It's because Texas is great, right? Texas is great.
Yeah, because that lake's there and it's really warm, right? It's very warm. Yeah, do you do swimming in it? Because I love swimming. You can swim in there. You're swimming? I know how to swim. Because your kids are swimming? Are they swimming in it too? They know how to swim too. But where are you right now? Like the second askers drive me insane. And just everybody out there listening, like 10 years ago, it was up talk where everybody talked like this. Yes.
And I don't know if I'm really going to be able to make it. I don't really know if I'm going to like this podcast. So 10 years ago, it was Uptalkers. And now it's Second Askers.
So just be, they would be bad podcasters. Don't you think? They would be the worst. Yeah. The uptalk is a tech thing. All those tech dorks. Like if you go to Silicon Valley, anybody who works for Google or Apple, they like automatically talk like that. It's almost like that's the only way they allow them to communicate. It's a, it's like a strange signal. Like you're letting everybody know that you're in the tech clan. You know what I mean? I had, I,
forgotten that you were on news radio with my, one of my favorite people, the late great Phil Hartman. Yeah, he was awesome. Amazing guy. Love that dude. Phil Hartman was like Lou Gehrig on Saturday Night Live. He was like the iron man, the man who could play everything. What was he like? What was he like on news radio?
He's just a super professional, like a great person, like really fun to be around, like always smiling and laughing. He's just an interesting guy, but really into things too. Like while we were doing news radio, he got into aviation and he got a pilot's license.
In fact, I bought a house out in the West Valley because he, like he was telling me, like, before you buy a place, let me take you up on my plane and I'll show you like all these spots out in the West Valley you probably don't even know about. And I was like, oh, okay. Wow. And so he took me up on his plane and yeah, he got like really into air travel. And like in between takes of the television show, he would go to his room and he would be working on taking his aviation exams.
He's just a really smart guy who's super professional. Like, he made me feel like such a slob because he had, like, tabs for his script for each scene that he was in, and they were colored differently. And he was awesome. I miss that guy so much. That was such a bummer, man. Oh, that's one of the most horrible Hollywood stories. I mean, for the people listening who aren't familiar, he was...
I mean, it's almost impossible to say it was killed by his wife, killed him and then killed herself. Just brutal. Yeah, killed herself with the kids in the house. She killed herself with the kids. And the way I found out about this is through my friend who was a cop.
It was a real bummer, man. I was it was two weeks after the murder and I hadn't I hadn't done stand up. I couldn't I just couldn't do it. And then I was like, you know what? Let me just I got to get out of the house. I can't just stay home. Let me just go to the comedy store.
And I'm on my way to the comic store and I stop at the gas station and I run into a buddy of mine who's a cop. And he's like, how are you holding up? And I'm like, I'm good. How are you doing? He goes, man, he goes, you know, we were at the house. I go, you were at the house? And he goes, yeah. He goes, one of my partners broke in the door because she was in the bathroom after she shot Phil. She was in the bathroom with the kids with a gun.
No. So they broke down the door to rescue the kids from her because oftentimes when a mother kills herself, she'll also kill her children. Right. And so she had just killed Phil and they were trying to talk her into getting out of the house. They knew that she had killed Phil and the cops broke down the door and then the kids ran away from their mother. And when the kids ran away from their mother, she blew her brains out.
So I hear this from my friend and then I drive to the comedy store and fucking bomb. I mean, bomb like I've never bombed before. Like I was so sad while I was on stage. Nothing that came out of my mouth was remotely funny. And I should have just not did it. But, you know, I'd already committed to being on stage. I had a spot.
at the comedy store, if they give you, you know, a 10 o'clock spot or whatever the spot is, you do your spot. You're a professional. Mitzi expected you to do your spot. And so I, I just, I'll never forget that. I never forget talking to him while I'm pumping gas or my spirits sank through the bottom of my shoes. Listening to that story. I've never forgot it. I've never forgotten the thought of that lady being in the bathroom with her kids and a gun. And then the cops breaking down the door and the children running away from their mother and
And then hearing the gunshot, crazy. It was so, so, so shocking. And he was one of the most- So terrible. Yeah.
And you know, they got the family got a, they, they won a case where they got some sort of restitution from Zoloft. Yes. Because she was on Zoloft and Zoloft is one of those drugs. Apparently with some people, if you mix it with narcotics, like she was on Zoloft and she was doing cocaine, it literally makes people psychotic. And,
And it's just a horrific side effect of that antidepressant when mixed with Coke. Yeah, terrifying. Just terrifying. Yeah, where are you on antidepressants? As far as antidepressants and SSRIs?
I think they certainly had their place. I have friends that it saved their life. I'm one of my best friends. He was very suicidal and he got on antidepressants. Now here's a weird one. It turns out he was having a reaction to taking Propecia to stop his hair loss. Oh, stop. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
What was going on? Well, Propecia, what it does is it blocks your body's production of DHT. It's a dihydrotestosterone. And what that is, is that's the cause of hair loss. It's a testosterone derivative that causes hair loss. So Propecia, which was originally Proscar,
It was a prostate enlargement drug for guys who have enlarged prostates. And while they were giving it to these guys, they realized these guys were actually growing hair back. And so then they stopped using it for that and started using it for hair loss. But for some people, what it does is it adversely affects you in a way that you get severely depressed and even suicidal. And again, it's one of those some people. I took Propecia before I gave up and shaved my head, and it didn't do that for me.
It didn't do that for me at all. But what it did do is it made me kind of listless and tired. And when I got off of it, I had much more energy. And it was stunning. And I only got off of it because my prescription ran out. Yeah, I was planning on upping my prescription again, but I had to go visit the doctor. And I had been off of it for a couple weeks. I'm like, God damn, I got energy like crazy. And my boners were out of control. And I was like, what is going on here?
And then I realized like, oh, it's the Propecia. And then I got back on it again and the same feeling listlessness and my boners were not nearly as excited. And then I realized like, oh, I'm probably doing something bad to my body with this stuff. And then eventually I tapped out and just shaved my head. But my friend...
was very depressed, like suicidal. And he, it was something wrong. And he eventually got off the Propecia. He got on SSRIs, leveled himself out, became much happier, and then got off Propecia and realized that that was probably what was causing it for him. When was the day when you raised the white flag and
And said, I'm going, I'm shaving, I'm going badass, bald, I'm done. Well, it wasn't an easy one. I mean, I had hair transplants. I did the whole thing. I tried forever. I used Minoxidil. I did it. I wish I just shaved my head from the jump. But I had been, you know, like when I got on news radio, I couldn't believe I was on TV. I was like, oh, my God, I'm on a television show. Like, I'm making money. Like, I didn't want...
it to go away. I was worried that I was going to lose my career was very fragile, right? You know, it's like one of eight on a sitcom. And I was like, God, like, I would love for this to be a permanent thing. Because what I was really hoping for was to develop an audience that would come see me in comedy clubs. And back then in the 90s, the best way to do that as a comic was to have a sitcom, right? So here I am. I mean, I have this incredible break. I'm on the sitcom with
Phil Hartman and Dave Foley and Andy Dick and Maura Tierney and Candy Alexander and Steven Root and Vicky Lewis. And I'm like, this is amazing. Like, how am I so fucking lucky I'm here? I'm like, I got to keep this rolling. I got to do. And my hair was falling out. I was like, shit, what am I doing? I'll do anything. I'll take this. I'll do that.
And so I got three hair transplants and I had this big smile on the back of my head, this long scar where they took... I have a joke about it where it's like having a hair transplant is like...
taking people who are really healthy and moving them to a neighborhood where everyone's dying because they take the hair, they take the hair out of the back of your head where it never falls out. And they put it into the top of your head where everything's fallen out. Even, you know, even after they put that hair in the other hair falls out. So now you have just like just a few hairs that are left. And it got to the point where,
Even if I would get a nice haircut, my hair would still look like shit. So I was like, okay, I just got to shave my head. And I would have done it earlier if it wasn't for the scar on the back of my head. But then I decided that scar would serve as like a public service announcement to other guys. Like, don't do just shave your fucking head. Just throw in submit early.
Yeah, well, I'm happy. Even if I had hair today, I would most likely keep my head shaved because it's so easy. Every couple of days, I just whack it with buzzers and I got a good shaped head.
So some people have weird heads, right? They have like a weird flat area in the back of their head. You don't want to look like one of those Peruvian ancient alien skull heads. That's not good. Exactly. Yeah, I got lucky. I have a good round head, but I'm very happy that I did it. It's just, it was a huge weight off my back because I was always wondering like, when are they going to cure baldness? When are they going to have something that doesn't mess your body up or doesn't require surgery that just fixes it?
But they still haven't figured that out, which is kind of amazing. Yeah, it's insane. I'm obsessed with hair pieces. I'm obsessed with men's hair. I just am. I'm obsessed with all of it. And I always try to identify, like, I think he's a secret hairpiece wearer. Yeah, peace police. Peace police. Pull over, buddy. Pull over, buddy. I got to check your wig line. We'll be right back after this.
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Um, do you guys have a hall pass? What's your, what's your position on hall? No, no. I don't like the Jada Pickett thing. No, no, no, no. I think if you open up the door to that, like you're, you're, you're going to be doomed. Don't you think? Oh, I do. I I'm listen. I moderation has never been in my wheelhouse.
So, I mean, you know. Did you see the Jada Pinkett Will Smith thing? You saw that thing? That was bizarre beyond belief, I thought. So strange. I was like, guys, just tap out. Don't do this podcast. Just quit. Just whatever you're doing, just stop. Just cut it out. But it got them eyeballs or ear holes or whatever it would be. A podcast you're looking for ear holes. Ear holes.
Yeah. Well, theirs was visual as well. That's true. That was actually the most disturbing part of it. Yeah. It's uncomfortable. Because you know when famous actors, you've seen them your whole lives, and great actors like Will Smith, you've seen every face they can make. They have no more faces. They have no more faces they can make that you haven't seen. That's true. So as he starts unveiling his various faces...
during the conversation you are like oh yeah yeah he he didn't look like he was having fun it's amazing that they decided to do that i wish i was his friend i would have pulled him aside and go hey hey hey no fucking way i would have been like dude let them talk just let everybody talk just stay offline for a couple of weeks no way man you're not gonna do this like don't do that because
There's like a certain, he couldn't help express through his eyes and his face, you know, the uncomfortable feeling.
feelings that were going through his head in that moment and the fact that they decided to do that publicly but hey you know like that's what they want to do maybe they're different maybe they feel like this way they can tell their version of it and just get it out there i don't know i i just keep coming back to if he wasn't such a good actor and wasn't so famous and we hadn't seen his faces maybe we wouldn't have known how painful it was you know it's like
I ran into Marlon Brando in a 7-Eleven of all places once. And he weighed like, you know, 300 pounds and –
was pushing a shopping cart. My, my friend was like, are you Mr. Brando? Are you ever going to act again? And he said, no, probably not. And he said, why is this? I've run out of faces. Wow. That's heavy. He's a guy. I wish I'd met. God damn. He would have been an amazing podcast guest. Marlon. Holy shit.
Holy shit. Have you seen the great Larry King where he's on Larry King and he's going berserk about the then president of MGM about some movie that he didn't release? Well, I mean, he his interviews were pretty extraordinary. I I never met him, but there was a really fancy. I think the only five star restaurant in L.A. for years. It was in La Cienega. I can't remember the name of it, but it was one of those French restaurants where.
You could only go to like once a year because it took five hours to eat. Do you know what I mean? And just one of the – it was an ordeal. But the food was super, super French and highfalutin. And I just remember halfway through my meal behind me hearing this voice, and this is what the voice said. What exactly is this taste I'm experiencing? Is it some sort of jalapeno? And you just go, oh. You're just like that.
I didn't even need to turn around. I was like, there he fucking is. But I did turn around and he was sitting there in a muumuu with five Tahitian tourists with like the old Instamatic cameras on the table. It was the weirdest. Oh, wow. Yeah.
He was a trip. I almost think like to be that good when no one else was like, if you go back and watch on the waterfront, he was so ahead of the craft. Yes. You know, and he was just so authentic back when people were still kind of like being weirdly actory, like weirdly actory was expected of you. You know,
If you watch a lot of the films from that era, there's a style of acting that was, I guess it emanated from stage acting where you're projecting and you can't quite be real. You have to kind of be like a little louder than you would be real and project more than you would be real, a little bigger so that the people in the back of the room could read it.
But he had abandoned all that and he had found this very authentic way of behaving. Like on the waterfront, that famous scene where he's talking about his manager selling him down the river that he could have been a contender. That's a fucking amazing scene, man. I think to be that good when no one else is, whether it's Brando or Lenny Bruce or any of these like real or Richard Pryor, any
And he's real legitimate pioneers. You got to be out of your fucking mind.
I mean, I really think, and if you're not, you become out of your mind in your pursuit of excellence. I mean, there's something about it. It's just those guys, the great ones are almost always crazy. Like Daniel Day-Lewis, the guy decides to make shoes. He's going to make shoes. He's a fucking cobbler. What are you doing? Like, what are you doing? You're one of the greatest actors the world's ever known. You see him in, like, There Will Be Blood, and then the next thing you know, the guy's sewing.
It's just, you gotta be crazy. There's something wrong with those guys. Maybe not wrong. I mean, that's the worst. Just the way they interface with the world is just very different, which is why they're so fantastic in the first place. Well, they have a, the other thing is they have a tremendous case of the fuck it's. Yep. Like tremendous. They have stage four. Fuck it. It's incurable. Fuck it.
Yeah, he brand-a moved to a fucking island. Oh, he used to come – when he was doing Streetcar Named Desire on Broadway, he would routinely come downstage center in the middle of the show, turn his back on the audience, which you never did, ever, under any circumstances. But his thing was like – I'm sorry, in what reality is there an entire wall of this apartment –
that I don't turn my back on from time to time. Right. And it was revolutionary. It was like, it was like electrifying audiences could not believe it.
Yeah. And it's that kind of of he didn't get he didn't give a fuck what the audience thought he was going to do what was real. Well, yeah, he knew what was right to do. He knew what he was doing. And even if they didn't understand it, he knew it enough. And he was so immersed in the idea of portraying a character that he knew the right way to do it.
I think that's the case with musicians and all kinds of artists and just the people that are just really, really, really good. There's a certain kind of madness that comes along with that for the ride. And I don't know of any examples of someone who's truly great who isn't just a little fucking crazy. Well, and then the other thing becomes when you get to the point where you want to have a real life,
And how do you reconcile all of the madness, the varying levels of it if you have it, with talent and then just wanting to be like a regular, functioning, decent citizen?
You know, and it's hard for people. It's hard. It's hard to have both of those things. I think you have one or the other. I mean, I tell you, I look at I look at people whose talent I really admire and that I could never even come close to emulating. And I go, I don't want that life that I want. Yeah, there's a value in this and there's an art to happiness.
I think happiness is an art in and of itself. And some people never master that art. They put all their eggs in the talent basket and they put all their eggs into the craft of whatever they're obsessed with.
And you see it with athletes whose personal lives are just a horrible disaster. You see it with musicians. You see it with all kinds of people. Because I think I have this phrase that I've said that I think greatness and madness are next door neighbors and they borrow each other's sugar.
I don't think you get great without madness. I don't think you do. And I think some people have given up on greatness just for love and happiness. And I think there's an art to that, too. It's underappreciated because you do that at the cost of your family. You do that at the cost of your friends. It's very rare that you know because it's such a weird road. And here's an example. Mike Tyson.
Mike Tyson, when he was young and when he was the heavyweight champion of the world, was clearly a man obsessed. He was just a destroyer. Without a doubt, one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time, one of the greatest boxers of all time, but also one of the greatest achievers. Like a guy who was 13 years old, his life was lost. He had nothing going for him, nothing but despair and poverty and
And then he gets adopted by this man, Customato, who's this legendary boxing trainer. Customato takes him in, doesn't just take him in, but actually hypnotizes him. Customato was a psychologist and a hypnotist and trained him, his mind and his body for one task, to be a destroyer.
So he goes on to be one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time. Custom model dies. Mike Tyson gets lost in fame and celebrity and the story that's his oldest time and eventually retires. After he retires, he becomes a pothead and he starts Tyson Ranch. And I interviewed him after all this. And he was this peaceful, sweet guy who didn't even work out. He
He told me it couldn't work out. I go, you can't? He goes, I don't want to reignite my ego. He goes, I don't even work out. Sometimes I get on a treadmill for a little bit, but that's it. But he just smoked a ton of weed. And so the podcast was great. It was me and Mike Tyson just getting blasted. We got high as fuck. We talked about life. Amazing. Ten months later, ten months later.
he's back on the podcast again and he's a totally different human because now he's training for this Roy Jones Jr. fight and what had happened was his wife had told him that he was getting fat so he started getting on the treadmill and seriously working out so he was right he knew what was going to happen he got on the train he goes well it started off in like 15 minutes I would do a treadmill for 15 minutes and then after a while I'm doing it for two hours and then
And then he became obsessed. And then he starts working out hard again. And then someone says, would you fight someone for $30 million? And he goes, well, I ain't fight. He goes, wait, hold up. How much? $30 million. He goes, $30 million? Fuck yeah, I'll fight someone. And then next thing you know, he's training like a madman. So when I met him the second time, so the first time he does my podcast, then he comes back on 10 months later, he's a different human.
I mean, first of all, he weighs 40 pounds less. He's shredded. I mean, shredded. Like you see every muscle in his forearm. He's completely obsessed. And he was so high strung and so focused on destroying, seeing the intensity and the dedication that was in him. And,
But he talked about that on the podcast, like that he gets upset at his family and that he's like, he's just obsessed and that he's back to being, he even said it. He said the gods of war reignited his ego. Wow. I want him to do battle again. It was intense, dude. It was so intense that I got this new studio in Austin, California.
One of the things I was thinking of with this new studio in Austin was making the table more narrow because I had a certain distance between me and the guest in LA. And I was like, maybe I should shrink that for the Austin studio because the Austin studio is a little smaller space. But then we did the Tyson interview and the Tyson interview was so intense and so nerve wracking that I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I need space because if I was closer to him, I probably would have been too nervous. I probably,
I probably would have fucked up the interview or it wouldn't have been as good because he was so ready to go. He was Tyson from like 20 years ago. He's ready to go to war. And it's amazing to watch. But I think that that kind of maniacal obsession...
that made him the heavyweight champion of the world when he was younger, probably wreaked havoc on his personal life. Well, that's what I was going to ask you. Can you look at an athlete and go, oh yeah, he's on something? No, you really can't. Because some people are just exceptional. There's some guys that just have amazing genetics. But you can tell change. The guys who have amazing genetics, they've had amazing genetics their whole life.
But when guys change radically, that's really a good sign. But it's hard to tell. There's people that just look amazing. So if I got a job as a Marvel guy tomorrow, what cocktail would you put me on? Well, the first thing you'd want to do is get your hormone levels checked.
from a doctor, find out where you're at naturally. Cause you don't want to ruin your body. Right. Then the second thing I would say is you have to change your diet. Like if you really wanted to get bulked up, like if you wanted to be captain America, you really have to change your diet. You have to cut out all your sugar because you want to lose all the fat. You got to cut out most bread and pasta and just eat leafy green vegetables and meat. That's what I would say. The next thing you have to do is get a real trainer. Like,
like a serious person with like a degree in kinesiology and someone who really understands how to train a person correctly and get them to see where your body's at currently, like get you to perform plyometrics, get you to perform deadlifts, get you to perform, you know, kettlebell cleans and presses. They got to see what your body is capable of doing right now. Then they'd have to look at your bone structure. Some,
Some people have small hands and small bones and no matter what they do, they're never going to get big. They just have that ectomorphic frame. And so then once they've assessed all those things, what they would want to do is raise your testosterone and raise your growth hormone. Now for a guy like you, who's in his fifties, you would have to get on some stuff. You'd have to get on testosterone replacement therapy. You'd have to get on human growth hormone. They'd probably want to put you on peptides so you could heal quicker.
And they would want to make sure that you didn't do anything that was detrimental to the development process of muscle tissue and, and above growth. So like anything like drinking alcohol or eating cake and sugar, cut all that shit out. Like if you have six months to get jacked, it's not just like, Oh, we just put them on steroids. Like that's not, not good enough. You gotta, you gotta make sure that you maximize all of the progress and minimize all the
the detrimental things that you could be doing to your body. Cut out all the soda, drink nothing but water, cut out all the bullshit. That's what you have to do. The hardest thing of all of it is to cut out the sugar. Yeah. It's hard. I mean, dude, I wake up in the middle of the night and a voice tells me, go to the kitchen and, and,
and have lucky charms oh they're so good lucky charms they're so good they're so good and and you know i i my secret weapon i got these atkin bars which have that are just fucking great and they kill the sweet tooth but for the most but man i struggle with that what would are you off of sugar
For the most part, I allow myself to have sugar sometimes. But here's an example. I went out to dinner with a buddy of mine the other night and at the end of the meal, they came by with dessert and I had a big piece of chocolate cake. And oh my God, I felt like shit. I had a hard time sleeping and my stomach was killing me. I was farting terribly. It was like my body was like, what did you do, man? Like, why did you do this? It's terrible for you. But so what is it?
It wasn't like though, because it's so addicting. Sugar is more addicting than heroin. You weren't like instantly back to being a junkie looking for the fix after doing one big piece of cake? No.
No, I felt like a moron. Really? Really? I just felt like a moron. Yeah. I felt like, Oh my God, why'd you do that? Stupid. Just for a little bit of temporary mouth pleasure. You don't, you feel like crap and you get a bad night's sleep. And then, you know, yesterday during the day, like when I went to work out, it felt terrible. Just my butt, my body's like, Oh, why'd you do that? It was a huge piece of cake, like the size of my head too.
It was awful. But for the most part, I avoid that stuff. I'm perfectly capable of taking down a pint of ice cream in one sitting on my own. Believe me, I hear you. Me too. What would you, okay, you got to give me some direction today. Like you've got, this is like we were talking about at the gun range. You tell me what to do. I'm going to learn it. I need some steps to get off the sugar. Yeah, you just got to tell yourself that it's killing you because it is.
You know, it's just, it's one of the worst things people do to their body. And it affects so many different parts of your body. It affects so many different systems. It affects your hormonal system. It affects your, your body's ability to develop growth hormone. It affects your body's ability to regulate insulin. It's just terrible. It's terrible across the board, but it doesn't mean you can't have it sometimes. And in fact,
After you're done working out, a little bit of sugar is actually good for you. Like there's a lot of folks who actually advocate like having a candy bar, like a chocolate bar after a heavy weightlifting session.
I don't think there's anything because you're replenishing glycogen. Some folks would prefer fruit, but there's nothing wrong with a little bit of sugar every now and then. The problem is your body's not used to sugar in that form. Like when we're drinking a soda or when we're eating a piece of cake, like the amount of sugar that's in that food is...
is so unnatural in the real world. Most of the time when in the real world, if you're eating sugar, like it's in fruit, like an orange, a delicious orange. It has fiber. It has vitamin C. There's water in it. There's a lot of nutrients in it. And it's actually good for your body to take in. So it's like this trick, sugar.
Sugar is in some form, in glycogen, it is an essential nutrient. It's actually important to have in your diet a little bit of it.
But your body's confused as to why it's in this massive quantity and this crazy form that just doesn't exist in nature. And so you just gorge on it and you almost can't help it. And your body's like, you never get full. You want more and more and more because there's no nutritional value to it. So it's almost like your body's eating it, hoping it's going to find some nutritional value in it eventually. It's really bad. It's the worst addiction ever.
in terms of dietary addictions that we have is sugar. And there's all these studies that confuse like epidemiology studies that confuse like red meat eating with all these horrible health outcomes. But if you really pay attention to those epidemiology studies, they never study
someone who's just eating grass fed steak and like broccoli, like, Oh yeah, red meat's bad for you. Look, this guy eating grass fed steak wound up getting colon cancer. No, it's people that eat meat. And so you said, well, what kind of meat are you eating? Cheeseburgers? Are you eating Subway sandwiches? You know, they found out that Subway sandwiches, there's so much sugar in the bread that it can't be considered bread. Did you read that? No, I,
I just assumed it was a Danish. I just thought it was an actual Danish. It just came out. This is like new dietary guidelines. It's Subway sandwiches bread. It has so much sugar in it, you cannot consider it bread. I knew there's a reason I liked it. That's why people are so addicted. It's addicting. It's very addicting. I agree.
That's the number one health problem in America today is our overconsumption of sugar and simple carbohydrates.
Dude, you got to hit these Atkins shakes that I'm listening. Granted, I'm their spokesman, but dude, I'm telling you, when I feel like if I want a milkshake or something, I hit that and there's very little, it's like kills my sugar thing. Because otherwise- I've had those before. They're very good. They're really good. They're very good. Yeah, they taste great. And yeah, you think they have to be bullshit because they taste so good. And because otherwise, if I don't do that, if I don't like kill it,
If I don't kill the craving in its infancy, then it could be a Ben and Jerry's massacre. It just gets out of control. Which you can't have. Yeah, I get it, man. We can't have. I'm on basically a mostly meat diet. And that every January, I do January's National Carnivore Month. So every January, I eat only meat for the whole month. And I feel great when I do it. It's nuts.
I eat mostly like fatty cuts of meat and liver. I eat a lot of liver and bacon and eggs. That makes my stomach hurt. Nothing else. Thinking about that makes my stomach hurt.
It's crazy because you get full really easily. Like we were talking about how you can eat so much ice cream, you never get satisfied. It's because there's not much nutrients in that, right? It's called satiety. You don't really reach satiety. It's not satiating. But when you eat like just meat, you get satiated very quickly and your body winds up leveling out and you wind up actually losing a lot of weight. I love it.
I lost 12 pounds when I did it.
Wow. I only did it for a month. I lost 12 pounds. Did I tell you this? That Stallone gave me movie and TV body shaping advice once? Did I tell you this? No, what did he tell you? No, what did he say? And this was like, I was training in the same gym when he was doing Rambo 2. And if you can remember, like no one had transformed their body ever. Like now you have to do it. If you're doing Marvel, you got to...
It's just expected. If you're Paul Rudd and you do Marvel, then you got to show up looking like Arnold in the movie. But when Sly was doing it in Rambo, it was like, it took people's breath away in that movie. And so I was training in the same gym and he was like,
This thing was all about the only thing people care about is your biceps and your abs because that's what people look at. That's the first thing a woman looks at. And then years later, I saw him and he's like, I'm very much focusing on my forearms now. And he's like, because you think about it, if I just roll my sleeves up in a long-sleeved shirt,
They see it right there and they figure everything else is good too. And it's so funny that you say that because there's a famous photo of him when he's like 70 years old and he's walking down the street and his sleeves are rolled up to his elbows and he's got these jacked forearms with these giant veins in them. And I always wondered, I was like, is that a candid photo? Why is he walking down the street by himself? How does the photographer know he's going to be there? I bet he did like a set of...
of like wrist curls really jacked his forearms up and then rolled his sleeves up and walked down the street while a photographer was clicking it I'm telling you he's the man's a genius he's a genius absolute and I mean it in every way the guy's a genius and I'm inspired to work my fireman forearms because if it's good enough for Sly Stallone it's good enough for me that's all I know I hear you
Dude, this has been great. I want to come visit you in Austin. I expect you to be a good wake surfer, though, by the time I get there. I'll try. I haven't even done it once yet. So I'm going to need some time. I'm supposed to be taking lessons next week. So we'll see what's up. So good. All right. So we have a standing date. So let me know when you're coming to L.A.,
Thank you so much for doing this. This is great. As you know, I learned from the master. I sit at the feet of the master in the podcast world. My pleasure, brother. It was an honor to be on your show. I appreciate it. And it was an honor to have you on mine as well. Thank you. It was fun hanging with you, dude. You're a good guy. I really enjoy it. Oh, thanks, brother. You too. I'll come back on yours and we'll have some fun. Sounds great. Beautiful. All right, brother. Thank you. All right, Rob. Take care. Take care, man. Bye. Bye.
Well, there you have it. Thank you, Joe. I know you don't do many of these and we were lucky to have you on. It was a great talk. So interesting. So fun. So funny. I had a blast. Anyway, hope you guys liked it as much as I did. And don't forget next week, more literally with me and the guests are we're in a sort of murderer's row right now. We're sort of knocking it out of the park with the guests.
And I'm really psyched about next week. So I will see you then. Bye-bye. You have been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe. Produced and engineered by me, Devin Tory Bryant.
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