Kevin Dillon: This Might Not Make It
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Hey, everybody. It's literally with me, Rob Lowe. Today, Kevin Dillon will be with us to discuss Entourage and, I mean, Johnny Drama. Come on.

Come on. You know you'll love him. But also some early stuff. We're going to do deep cuts with Kevin Dillon, a little platoon, perhaps. A little John Densmore and the Doors. And of course, I'm going to ask him about his insane brother, Matt Dillon, because I have a lot of post-traumatic stress from my years with Matt after The Outsiders, running around New York City. I'm just going to say it. Now we had a blast. Anyway, let's get to it.

Kevin, my man, what are you doing? Where are you and how are you? I'm actually in L.A. right now at Action Park Studios, where we do my podcast. I got a podcast called Victory the Podcast, which I'd love to have you on. Absolutely. One of these days. How did I never end up on Entourage? I don't know. That's an outrage. You know what? If we do the reboot, you're coming on. We got to have you on. I'm coming on. I mean, absolutely.

Ellen is a friend. I've known him a little bit off and on through the thing, but Chad Lowe was on it. Yeah, Chad, yeah. So funny in the Entourage movie, Chad Lowe. Yeah, he's great, man. He's great. By the way, Doug Allen is here right now. He's in the other room. Kevin Connolly's in another room over here. Jesus, you got the whole magilla. Yeah, we're going to do a Victory podcast right after yours. How many episodes in the watch party are you on Victory?

You know, I'm not really sure, but it's probably about 115 or so. Holy shit. Yeah. How many have you done? We're like 103 episodes already. Nice. Yeah. I love it. I don't know about you, but I love podcasts. Yeah, I love it. You know, I pop on. When I work, I like to focus on the acting thing. But, you know, Kevin Connolly and Doug Allen will hold down the fort until I come back. But, yeah, it's fun, man. It really is. We have a hoot.

Yeah, I, unfortunately, it's kind of just me. So I'm like, this is my one day off on my, I'm doing a show for Netflix right now. And she's like, oh, great, enjoy your day off. I'm like, I'm doing two podcasts. It's not a day off. But it's fun. It's super fun. And it's great to talk to you because, I mean, we've, I think, I was trying to think about the very first time I ever met you. And I think it might have been like, it was definitely a nightclub in New York. Yeah. I feel like it might have been like area. Yeah.

Is that possible? Is it possible? Do you remember area? That's totally possible, bro. That sounds about right. Area. So good. Right? So long ago, man. So long ago. Oh, so long. Back when clubs were fun, man. Now it's all the bottle service. They suck now. Dude, you're talking my language. Okay, I...

You know the song Video Killed the Radio Star, right? Yeah. Bottle service killed. Killed the nightclubs, right? Killed the nightclubs. Killed it dead. Yeah, because there's no more socializing. Everyone just stays within their little group. It's not like you have to go to the bar. You can meet people there. You just stay within your little table.

Just killed it. And look, and there were always like rich older guys trolling. But now they run the thing because they're paying for the booth or paying for the bottle. They're paying $20,000 in bottles. I was an unemployed actor. I couldn't afford any of that shit. You were unemployed? I don't know about that. There was a moment. There was a moment.

But yeah, I mean, our careers, we've been, the two of us have been doing this for so long, man. I know I started in 84. Yeah. And you probably started around that time too. I know you and Matt did, uh, did Outsiders. Outsiders was 80, 82. We shot it in, I think. Wow. Came out in 83. Um,

It's funny because Matt was an icon already. And I remember the very first time I wrote about it in my book, we were walking in the Tulsa Excelsior lobby shooting outsiders and

Because Matt was already a, we were unknowns and Matt was already famous. All these girls were there to see Matt and they would literally line the lobby three deep. Wow. And I remember walking in and I'd never seen anything like it. And Matt in his, you know, with his boom box. Yeah. He always had the boom box. Oh, always. He loves his music. Still does. Always with the boom box. And it was always like, um,

T-Rex was like his thing. Yeah, he loved any kind of punk and sex pistols. He's got his T-Rex playing on the boombox and he's kind of looking at the girls as he walks by and he kind of looked at one and gave her the like, hey, come here, like vibe. And she immediately left her three friends, just like they didn't exist anymore. Oh, man. She looks back at her friends like, oh, my fucking God. Yeah.

And I remember going, aha. I remember those days as well because, you know, I was still in high school and there would be girls driving by the house like, where's Matt? Where's Matt? You know, he was nowhere near Mimarinik at that stage. He was long gone making movies.

But there would be thousands of them coming by. They'd break into my grandparents' house. Like, I'm going to be at my grandparents'. Oh, my God. Those were the days. Those were the days. But, yeah.

Yeah, and then I remember very vividly when you got Platoon. Yeah, that was a big break. Big break for a lot of people. I mean, everybody, people forget, people forget you, Depp was in it. Johnny Depp was great. He did how to speak Vietnamese in there. Dafoe, Charlie. Berenger. Yeah, Keith David. Oh, Keith, how great was Keith David? Keith was great. He was great. John McGinley, James.

Johnny C. McGinley, so great in that movie. McGinley. God, he was, I mean, how about that group? Yeah, I know. It was a great cast. Stone put it together, man. You must have great Oliver Stone stories. You've got it. Who doesn't? Yeah, I got a couple. You know, I worked with him on The Doors, too, so I got a couple from that one. I remember we were doing The Doors, we were doing this Warhol scene where we're walking around. We had this big...

walking, talking. It's like four o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. We're exhausted. And I was low energy. And I was. And he's like, Dylan, what the fuck are you doing on my movie? Get your energy up. And it is. It's on me to keep that. It's on us, Rob. We got to keep that energy up. I did a reading for Oliver of a script called Noriega.

It was going to be about Noriega. Right up his alley. The dictator, yeah. And Al Pacino was playing Noriega, and I was playing Oliver North. And it was going to be great. And the movie never got made. We do the reading. Halfway through, we take a break. I go to the water fountain. I look up, Oliver's standing over the water fountain, just looking at me, shaking his head. Frankly, kind of in disgust.

And I go, what? He goes, I don't know, man. I just thought there'd be more energy. Wow. And I practically pooped. So we go back, we go back into the reading and the very next scene I have, man, I'm, I'm so over the top now. I'm like,

You know, going berserk. And I look over and Oliver's just kind of nodding and shaking his head like, yeah. That's what I wanted. He likes energy. He gets what he wants from an actor. And it's not always the nicest way about going about it, but he'll get what he needs. And he's actually, you know, it could go either way. People get really upset or you could just go with it. You know, I kind of always went with it. If he yelled at me or something, I'll go.

Take it on the chin and try and do better. That's the way you got to deal with Ali. You were in, um, where'd you do, um, put you in Philippines? Philippines. Yeah. Three months. Were people there going, ah, I remember when they did apocalypse now here. They were. Yeah. I mean, Charlie was coming back to the Philippines cause Charlie was there when his dad was there. They're babe. They basically just ousted Marcos. So it was a pretty dangerous time to be there. My parents like, I don't even, we don't want you going. And I was like,

Sorry, guys, I'm going. I'm not going to miss out this opportunity. I had just turned 18 to do a movie in the Philippines with Oliver Stone, and he did a screening of Salvador, the movie Salvador. And it was so damn good. I was like, this guy is going to make a great movie. Yeah, and he wasn't really Oliver Stone. I mean, Salvador was a great first thing, but he wasn't –

He was a writer. Yeah. He was a writer. He did Scarface. He wrote Scarface. A lot of people don't know that. He directed a movie called The Hand. I don't know. I saw it as a kid. I don't know if you ever saw that one. The Hand. The Hand with the hand crawling around. It was pretty good, actually. The movie we did was so funny. Or that we didn't do was so funny because it was like a great movie when it was about

Noriega and Oliver North. And, but then they inevitably got to South America and it became like a communist manifesto movie. Oh boy. Which you knew he loved. Yeah. And people were like falling asleep. Why didn't this movie get done? I mean, it sounds great. Cause the second half was awful.

The second half was totally like a political manifesto of the greatness of communism and all the shit that Oliver was into. Yeah, yeah. But it was super funny. And you could just see Al Pacino kind of going, it's great when it's great and it's not good when it wasn't good. But it was fun. It was fun to be a part of something like that. Yeah. And you guys didn't film anything, right? No.

You just explored it, worked on it a bit. Yep. Yep. That was it. That was my only time with Oliver. Other than speaking of clubs, when clubs were at their height in the 80s, they were making Wall Street music.

in, in New York and I was making a movie called Masquerade and boy, oh boy, between me, Charlie and Oliver Stone and Michael Douglas, frankly. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and you got McGinley in that one too. Johnny C. McGinley. Johnny C. I mean, those were the days when you burned a candle at both ends and we, we thought we could do it forever and not pay a price. Yeah. Yeah.

We were young enough to bounce back. Now it would hurt too much. Oh, for sure. Tell me, I also am obsessed with Johnny Drama. You know, Vincent Chase, the Vincent Chase I knew.

The acting coach. Yeah, there was an acting coach named Vincent Chase, but I don't really know all the details. But I don't think that's why Doug named him Vincent Chase. I really think it's got to do with David Chase. It was more kind of because he loved David Chase. Really? Yeah, I think that's why we became Johnny and Vince Chase. I had thought it was Mark Wahlberg's first acting coach was Vincent Chase. Vincent Chase made Mark an actor.

His other big student was Bill Paxton. Because, you know, Bill Paxton gave Mark his very first big acting job. Oh, Bill was such a good guy. What a loss. I know. Goddamn, he was the best. He was great, man. He really was. Yeah, so Vincent Chase used to make The Acting Coach.

He used to make Bill, as an exercise, do all of his dialogue with a penny between his teeth to help him enunciate. I want to get to the bottom of why his name is Vincent Chase. Okay. We got to get to the bottom of this. I'll drag Doug Ellen in here right now. Let's find out what the fuck is up. We'll get to the bottom of it right now. I think, you know, it might be a combination of both. I know David Chase was, you know, Doug loved David Chase, so I think that's where the Chase... But I don't know. We'll find out. And Entourage...

Who do you think the most famous cameo is? I think of Tom Brady, but that's because I'm a Brady fan, maybe. I would probably say Tom Brady. Yeah, right? I think you're probably right. I don't know anyone bigger than Tom Brady. No. Oh, LeBron. Yeah. LeBron was a big cameo. I mean, you guys had Aaron Sorkin on there, I think. Yes, we did. Yes, we did. And you know what? We wanted to get Obama, who was the president at the time. Of course, he wouldn't do it, but he loved the show.

Maybe the reboot, bro, will get you and Obama in a scene together. But, you know, I thought we had like James Cameron. To me, that was big. That was big time. It made it feel real. Made it feel real. And the fact that I wanted to see your guys' version of Aquaman. I was so bummed when they actually made Aquaman. I'm sorry. I'm not a fan of Aquaman. No, I'm not really either. And the James Cameron version of Aquaman would be way better. I mean, anything James Cameron does, forget it.

James Cameron in water? It's magic. Oh, yeah. That would work. That would work. Right? But Aquaman is a tricky one. I mean, anything that's got to be shot underwater is going to be tough. All of the inside show business stuff on that show used to make me laugh because it was so...

I mean, even down to Ari's office looked like the office of WME. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looked exactly the same. They might even have knocked it off. I mean, they did that stuff all the time on that show. Yeah. Everything that happened on that show pretty much happens in real life in Hollywood. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

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The pandemic's been great for me. It really has. They needed more TV shows, more movies, and I'm ready to do them. So I've been working like crazy. Things have been good. You've got a movie coming out with Bruce Willis. Yes, I did two with Bruce.

How did you end up doing two with, well, Bruce has been just, he's been cranking them out until now, obviously he's ill, so he's not working so much anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the first one, I didn't have any scenes with Bruce, but I was in it. It was called A Day to Die. I thought they figured if they could get Bruce, put the movie, the word die in there. That's right. So I did that one. And then the second one I did is coming out actually. That's called Wire Room.

And that's the first time I realized that, you know, Bruce had some issues, you know? Great guy. He's one of the best. And a legend. Oh. And it's sad. It's sad. Speaking of clubs, and we'll get to Bruce in a minute, but do you remember Cafe Central? Of course, man. Yeah. Okay, so Cafe Central. Again, anything in New York I ever did that was cool, I only did because your brother introduced me to it. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

So, because, I mean, your brother was the king of New York. Yeah, he still is, although he's spending a lot of his time in Rome now. Really? Almost all of his time. So he's like the king of Rome now. Well, okay, let's take a sidetrack. What is he doing in Rome and why? He's got a Roman girlfriend, and he got an apartment there, and he loves it. It's hard to get him home.

Well, he, like I said, he shepherded all of us through New York. And Cafe Central was the restaurant slash bar that everybody went to. And Bruce Willis was the bartender. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And his name was Bruno then. Wow.

Bruno. And then it was, yeah, where's Bruno? Yeah, he went out to, he's got a TV pilot called Moonlighting. God, he was so great in that show too. Oh, so good. His charisma. I mean, he was great. He was just brilliant back then.

He was a brilliant bartender. Yeah. I don't remember him as a bartender, but maybe I did meet him at some stage back then. Yep. So when you're on the movie with him, what was your sense of his health and how did you notice what was going on? Well, you know, I heard some rumblings before that. And, you know, he had the year piece going. Your wig for your lines, yeah. And it was just, you know, you could just see it. Yeah.

You could see the, he would have a moment of brilliance too, but you could see he's struggling and it was just really sad. Yeah. And it made it tough for me too. I mean, the acting with someone who's, you know, struggling like that, it's pretty tough. And, you know, and it happens, you know, I mean, obviously he has a very specific diagnosis, but, you know, it happens with usually old actors who are much older than Bruce. Yeah, I mean, 65, you don't expect that. Nothing. No. And he looks great. I mean, physically he's, he's great.

He's still getting out, getting out there with his buddies and playing golf. And he still seems happy. You could, he, you know, when you'd see him off the set, he'd be smiling and seems like he's still happy. Well, that's good. Yeah. I mean, God, I was in such a state of shock because he's one of my, you know, I think he's a real legitimate movie star and, and no doubt. I mean, God, just, he's one of those people that, um,

Camera loves. Like you said, it's raw charisma. Yeah. I went to his wedding when he married Demi Moore. It was the craziest wedding. Wow. It took place in three sound stages. My God. You know, sound stage isn't big enough really for a wedding when you think about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there were three of them and it was the most over-the-top wedding

Paid for by a studio. Wow. I think TriStar paid for it because they wanted either Bruce and or me to do one of their movies. And so they figured the way to do it would be pay for their wedding. And it was such a spectacle. It was beyond belief. Bummed I missed it. I didn't get the invite.

I mean, you're probably in the Philippines. I might have been. And you worked with John Travolta in American Metal. Yeah, he's awesome, man. He is great. He is just a really good dude. And, you know, he's telling a lot of stories about...

you know, piloting a plane. I believe he flew out to Alabama. He did in his own plane, which is pretty damn cool. That he parks in his driveway. Yeah, I know. I've seen that. That's pretty cool. It's like, it's a, it's like you pull your car up to the front door. He pulls his plane up to the front. It's like, it's like George Jetson coming home in the spaceship. It really is. It's so cool. And he talked a bit about Kevin Connolly, who we worked with on a Gotti about how crazy that experience was.

You know, the actual Gottis were hanging out on the set watching you. It's got to be a little intimidating. Yeah, for sure. And I loved it, man. He's just really cool. I think that's going to be a good movie. American Metal.

America Metal. John, I had the pleasure of... You ever see those Hollywood Reporter roundtable things where actors interview other actors? They asked me if I would interview John, and I was like, are you kidding me? Of course I will. I mean, again, very similar to Bruce in that...

just charisma. Yeah. Just, you just love him. Yes. Yeah. He's likable and everything. Oh, and a great actor. Not that Bruce is too, but John is so underrated as an actor. I was, he's great. And by the way, Gotti just proves that he was so good in Gotti. So good. I watched Saturday Night Fever again. If you guys out there, guys, gals, if you haven't watched Saturday Night Fever,

Ever, God forbid, or if you haven't seen it in a long time, Holy Mother of Mercury. It's so good. It's so- And it captures the times better than any movie I know. And I saw it in the theater. I think I had to sneak into the theater. I was too young to really be in there. Right. And boy, was that good. Those were the days, man. Those were like-

Those early, that moment in time in the 70s, it was just movie after movie after movie. Think about Saturday Night Fever. Think about this for a minute. If you took, pick your hot, young, it star of the moment today, there's no way in the world they get to be in a movie like Saturday Night Fever. You just wouldn't make it. They would never make it. They'd make it maybe on for a streamer and it would be eight episodes long.

But a summer movie? That was a summer movie. That was their big audience bet. Yes. And the Bee Gees. I mean, busted that movie wide open with all that great, that soundtrack was the best ever. It was insane. It was, I'm a big Bee Gees fan. There's a great Bee Gees documentary out on one of the streamers. It was amazing. And how many songs they wrote for other people. They were just, they were really good. They were a rock and roll band in the beginning.

Yeah. And there's that great thing where they, at the end of one song, they wanted a high screaming falsetto. And Barry went in and did it and everybody went, wait a minute. That's his sound. That's the new sound we're looking for. Just unbelievable. Yeah. I love all that stuff. What are you loving these days? Are you watching it? Oh, wait, wait, wait. Hang on. Jesus Christ. I got to ask you about Reagan.

Yeah, yeah. You play Jack Warner in Reagan. Jack Warner. And Dennis Quaid. You probably know Dennis. Love Dennis. He's so good. He's so good. And a great guy. And he does a really good Reagan. He gets all the characteristics down. Another one of those great underrated actors, I feel. I think he's just amazing. Well, you've worked with another one of my favorite underrated actors, Kurt Russell.

Yo, Kurt's, yeah. Kurt's the best, man. Kurt's the best. Dude, he's the best. He's the best. He is so cool, man. He is so cool. We actually had an extra scene together at one stage, and he's like, you know, kid, this might not make it into the film. I'm like, no, don't tell me that, please. Don't tell me. He told me that before we started filming. He goes, this is the one scene that could get cut. He's an expert. So I was like, he goes, make it good, kid. Make it good. And I did the best I could, and it ended up getting cut in the end.

But he's like, hey, you gave it a chance, kid. You gave it a chance. He was great. I would love to work with him. Yeah. I mean. Legend. He's. Snake Plissken. Dude, have you ever seen his movie Bone Tomahawk?

No, I have not. I think I caught pieces of it. Horror Western. Wow. And it is absolutely, I'm just telling you, trust me when I say, watch it immediately. Okay. Bone Tomahawk. Bone Tomahawk. By the greatest name ever. Write that down. It is a cool name. Bone Tomahawk.

Bone Tomahawk. I will say this. It is 100% the most graphically violent movie I've ever seen in my life. Really? So be prepared. That's right up my alley. You're not scaring me with that. If you don't like blood and gore, you're not going to make it through this. I love blood and gore. But he has, it's one of his greatest performances. Wow. I love him so much. I love him in Snake Plissken. I thought you were dead. Yeah. Escape from New York. Great movie.

And The Thing is my other favorite movie. And The Thing is a great movie. Keith David. Keith David. Yeah. Child, where'd you go, child? That movie was, I mean, when that head is got the gross legs and it's running around the floor, that was a scary movie. Such a good movie. Okay, so you play Jack Warner. Yeah. Yeah.

What did you learn about Jack Warner? Anything I need to know about him? He seemed like the kind of most mellow of the studio heads, or am I wrong? No, no. He was a very intense guy who, you know, he had a lot to do with, you know, putting SAG together. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah. And that's why he got Reagan to be the first Screen Actors Guild president. A lot of people don't realize it. He was the first Screen Actors Guild president.

It was great playing Jack. I got to put on the bald cap and wear these wild double-breasted suits. It was cool. It was cool. It's a small part. I didn't have a lot to do, but it was good. It was a fun role. You got to work with Dennis Reagan. Were you working with Dennis Reagan? Yes. All my scenes were with Dennis, who killed it. We would hang out afterwards. We were both staying at the same hotel. We would go down to the lobby and start playing the piano together.

Great balls of fire. Yeah, exactly. Jay Lee Lewis. Yeah. And he was playing that stuff and he still got it all down. Is he, last time I saw him, he was obsessed with golf. Is he still golfing like a lunatic?

Yeah, yeah, we played a couple times out there. Where are you playing these days? Where do you play? I'm a member at Saticoy here in L.A., which is kind of like the Camarillo area, great golf course, but I'm also a member of Wingfoot in New York. No way! Are you golfing? Yes, I love it. I'm obsessed with it. I thought I saw your shirt. Is that like Augusta? Augusta. Nice, dude. I've never played there. I'm dying to play there. How was it? It is everything you think it's going to be and more.

And it's the experience. The experience is unlike any other, as Jim Nance would tell you. I didn't know you played golf. Is this something you're just doing now? Is it new for you? I don't know.

I screwed around as a kid, never really liked it one way or the other. When I got sober, a lot of guys when they get sober take up three things, coffee, cigar, and golf. I took up all three of them. And then I had kids and put it away for 20 years. Literally 20 years I probably didn't swing a club. Then when my kids are out of the house, I was like, you know what?

I've got free time. I'm really going to commit to golf. And I, which was great. Cause I all, I started with, you know, really learning the swing from the ground up. We'll have to tee it up, bro. I would love that. Put together a group and come sit, come play. I'm Sam Piper. Oh man. I would love to. I would love, I'd love that golf course right on the ocean. It's beautiful. Beautiful. That that's basically my, my home course. Nice. And Kevin Connolly now he's playing too. So yeah,

We'll get Doug Allen. We could drag him out there. He'll play a little bit. Let's do it. Yeah, definitely. Now, are you a guy that believes in having music on the golf course? I love it. Or are you anti-music? You love it. I knew it. We are Dylan. You have to have your boom box. I love it. I love the music. I just love it on the golf course. Big boom box like Matty D. Like big Matty D with the boom. Yeah. Yeah.

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qualifying plan required Wi-Fi were available on select U.S. airlines deposit and Hilton honors membership required for 15% discount terms and conditions apply. Matty D. Talk a little bit about Matty D. I mean, OK, I remember so vividly this one scene in The Outsiders. It's late at night. It's where we shoot him. His character Dallas is going to be shot by the cops. Yeah, it's late. The sun's coming up.

Matt is wearing a prosthetic on his chest that's taken two hours to put on. Oh, boy. It's very clear that we have probably one shot at this before the sun comes up. It's eight cameras. We come running down the street. Matt comes into the park. Cue the cop. It's a lot of working pieces. And we're rolling. He's about to get shot. And Matt ad-libs, you'll never take me alive. And I remember so vividly going, that...

is the worst ad lib I've ever... He can't be serious. And they should... By the way, in the movie. It's in the movie. Wow. Wow. I gotta re-watch this movie. I haven't seen it in so long. They'll never take me alive. Like, it's Jimmy Cagney in 1940. But, you know, he... I gotta say, I've never been on a show where a director was more in love...

with an actor than Francis was with Matt. He was in love with your, he would literally, your, your brother shit ice cream on that show. I mean, literally he could do anything. And Francis thought it was the greatest thing ever. He could even yell, you'll never take me alive. And Francis put it in the movie. It was unreal. I can't wait to use that line. He shit ice cream. Yes. It was great. I mean, it was unreal.

Unbelievable. Yeah. It was fun to watch. It was fun to watch. What a movie that was. Right? Oh, my God. Such a cool movie. Yeah. I mean, the stories that we could tell on that one were... And talk about a cast. It's like a platoon cast, but... Absolutely. T. Cruz. That was great. T. Cruz. Yeah. And I always remembered, just always...

Like I said, you're, you're, you're bro being so gracious and I just looked up to him so much. He wasn't, he's not that much older than me, but you would have thought in terms of experience. Yeah. And Swayze was older than Matt, but Matt still was kind of like the guy. Yeah. Well, he started so young. He started at 13. So it felt like he had been around for a long time by then. Right. Yeah. He was such a, you know, big teen idol back in those days.

Oh, man. As were you. Tiger Beat. You know what I learned later on is that Francis Coppola asked for Michelle Manning, his assistant, to go to 7-Eleven and bring back all of the teen idol magazines and cut out the pictures. The people who appeared most and put their pictures on a board. And that's how Matt and I got on his radar. It was literally...

Wow. From that. I mean, Francis definitely. Tiger Beat and Teen Bag and all those. Teen Bop, Bop Me. Yeah, I mean, I got on those a couple times myself, but I never really hit it. I didn't hit it big on those magazines. Oh, come on now. I don't believe that. You're just being. No, I really didn't. I didn't hit it like. I mean, you guys were global. I mean, you guys became huge. Do those things even exist anymore, do you think? I don't think they do. Is Timothee Chalamet out there?

You know, and like, who would it be? It'd be Timothee Chalamet and Austin Butler and like what they want for breakfast and their favorite sweaters and all this. They're what puppy dog. I wonder if they're out there anymore. Those team bags and tiger beets. And maybe, maybe they're online. Maybe there's online versions. Austin Butler's holiday wishes for you and your puppy.

Just like really hard-hitting journalism like that. I'll tell you, Matt hated it. After a while, he was like, I don't want to be on these magazines anymore. Nobody's ever going to take me seriously if I stay on these things. Who was Matt's manager? Vic Ramos. Oh, my God. Vic Ramos. Yes. Yes.

Oh, my. He was Colonel Tom Parker. He was like, yeah, he was a lot like him. Colonel Tom Parker to Matt Zilvas. Matt was cut in class. He used to be a casting director. Matt was cut in class at the Homics in Mamaroneck and outside smoking a cigarette at 13. And he was casting over the edge. And he met Matt. Oh, my God. He said, hey, will you come in and read for us for a movie? Matt came in. They were like, God, this is our guy.

Over the Edge. Very cool movie. Great soundtrack. Great soundtrack. Cheap trick and all that. It was really cool. Jesus. When you decided to be an actor, because I know like when Chad, my brother, decided to be an actor, we both had a moment of like having to navigate that. Did, did, did, was Matt supportive? Was he like great? Or was like, what do you, hey, this is my bag. Or did you, or you, did you have trepidation about it? Like, how did that go for you guys as brothers? Yeah.

Well, I started out doing school plays. I played Petruchio in The Taming of the Shrew. I got kind of roped into doing that. Wow. I didn't really want to do it. But then after doing three nights of that play and getting the laughs on stage, I was like, this is it. I want to do this. Right. And I think Matt was more afraid of, for me, he was afraid for me of what could happen because most guys aren't going to make it. Right.

But after, you know, after I got some work, he was, you know, very supportive. That's great. Yeah. Same with, I mean, you were clearly, before Chad, you were already a big star. Chad and Charlie Sheen, even right up until Charlie did Platoon, were going to be Major League Baseball players. I remember Charlie, yeah. Charlie was big into it. I remember he brought two mitts to the Philippines. We would have a catch in the Philippines. Yeah.

He had an arm, man. He had a sick arm. Charlie could probably throw in his, at 16 and 70, at 16 and 17 years old, Charlie could probably throw 87 miles an hour. Yeah. Impressive.

Yeah. He absolutely could have been, without a question, at least a minor league pro baseball player. And that's why he's so great. Great basketball player, too. He's got a great jump shot. Yep. By the way, I don't know if you heard that me and Charlie did a little pilot. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Did you hear about this? No, no. I heard all about it. You have to tell me everything because-

Doug Allen self-financed this. Yes, he did. Yes. Along with Ted Foxman, who he put a lot of money in. But it's really, I mean, right now it's basically the pilot's been shot and it's really basically like a home video until it gets sold. And I think it will sell because it's really good. So it's me and Charlie and Kevin Connolly with Doug Allen writing it. We got John C. McGinley in there. It's going to be great, dude.

And it's called? It's called Ramble On. Like the Led Zeppelin song? Like the Zeppelin song, but it's more about the podcast world.

Dude, you could be totally in this. I could totally see this. What is the plot? What is the plot? Tell me the plot. What a great group. It's a weird kind of situation. We are playing ourselves, but we're not really playing ourselves. Right. Yep. Larry David really isn't Larry David. Exactly. It's kind of that situation. So you could come on playing yourself with your podcast. I mean, it could totally work. I love that. And the theory about what I loved about it was –

Hearing about it was just the idea of the self-financing and you guys controlling your own destiny and not being beholden to anybody and making what you want to make and then going out and selling it. We all did it for free. I mean, we had to get paid scale for SAG. Right. But yeah, it's our baby right now and we're going to pitch it. And it's really good, dude. It's quick. It's a half-hour comedy.

I'm assuming you will go to the usual suspects, the Netflixes, the Hulus, the Disney Plus. They're going to pitch it out. They're going to show it to everyone. Hopefully they'll have a little, let them battle it out and see who gets it. But I got a feeling it's going to go. I really do. Oh, I would love that. I've done enough bad ones and I've done some good ones like Entourage. This thing is good.

And it will go. I believe it will go. And how was Sir Charles? He's such a funny man. He was great, man. He's such a great guy. And I've always loved Charlie. And he's great, really great in this movie. And this movie feels like a movie. And this TV show. He's amazing. And he's always been great. And I think the world misses him. And it would be great to be seeing him again. It really will.

Totally. I couldn't agree with you more. And it's Charlie kind of playing Charlie a little bit. Some of it's going to be real, some of it not, but it's going to be funny. I heard Charlie gave up smoking. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't know when he did, but yeah, he wasn't smoking on the set. That's for sure. God, I can't picture him. I gave it up 15 years ago. That's very good. Your brother probably sold more cigarettes for people. He probably killed a couple people along the way.

You know what? Cigarettes look cool on film. They just do. They just do. There's just no way around it. There's a reason why people smoke on screen. You got one dangling out of your mouth. You could flick it. You could do all kinds of blow a smoke ring. You know, there's a lot of cool things. It's a good prop.

And they really have excised it out of movies. They really have. Well, you know, I started up, I think I quit three times and I would always start up again because I'd be like, oh, this character's got to smoke. He's a smoking character. Yes, of course. Start up again. And even Entourage got me smoking again because we were smoking so much weed and they would use cigarette tobacco. Yep. I fell back into it because all the other guys smoked and I started smoking again.

It's a slippery slope, this smoking. I was never a cigarette smoker, but when you're sitting around other actors that you admire and you're just talking and if they're all smoking and you're in rehearsals and the hours are long, it's just one of those things that you just kind of start doing. Yeah, because they look so damn cool doing it. Right? Just punctuate. You can punctuate on a...

Yeah, and it's kind of like it punctuates anything you do. You know, I just ate a meal. I have a cigarette. After sex, got to have a cigarette. You know, it's a punctuation. So good. So you have the movie Hot Seat with Gibson. I mean, working with Mel for the second time, I did something in Paris, France with him called On the Line.

He's a great guy. I don't know. Do you know Mel? I do know Mel. We've had the same publicist for years. I adore him. Yeah, he's fun, man. He's got so many cool stories, great sense of humor. Yep. And we had some good stuff in this one. What is the premise? It's called Hot Seat, and it kind of explains what's going on here. I'm a computer hacker who's been in trouble for hacking, and he's kind of got his life back together.

And he's doing IT work for this company, and he gets roped into, he gets a bomb put under his seat, and someone's making him hack for them. Gotcha. So the whole time, I mean, half the movie, I have a bomb under my seat. It was tricky, man. It was tough. It was a seven-day shoot, Rob. Whoa. Seven. And the dialogue, I mean, we had a 26-page day.

of dialogue with me and one other person. I mean, it was just, it was unreal, but we did it. And I feel like we didn't miss a beat. Everything's there. I don't know how they did it, but seven days and it came out great. You know, it's amazing. It always amazes me what can be accomplished on a, on a short schedule. If you have the right actors, the right crew and, and the right pre logistics. Yeah. And that's, that was the key here. The logistics. I was stuck in the seat for half of it.

And I couldn't get away from my desk. Now, did you resort to... My mind immediately goes to, well, I'm going to be looking at a screen. I mean, it wouldn't be the worst thing to have my dialogue on the screen. You know, I put a little note here and there. Oh, yes. I had a lot of weird dialogue that was IT dialogue, like technical terms. Yes. It's not the end of the world. If I taped one on the screen here, if I...

taped one over here somewhere as I'm looking up at the camera. Yeah, little tricks of the trade. But for the most part, I like to know my lines. I mean, when you're doing a seven-day shoot, it's allowed. It's good enough for Marlon Brando. It's good enough for me. Yeah, well, Brando would pin it on your shirt and look at your... Put it on the ceiling too, right? It's amazing. It's hilarious. Yeah, that's before he went with the earwig. Yeah, earwig didn't... I worked with an actor who...

I didn't think needed it. I think he was just, I don't know, maybe he just didn't want to do it. But a famous actor, famous character actor, and working with an actor with an earwig, which you've told me you did with Willis, it feels like they're on a

Like on like the old episodes of Larry King live, we're like, go on. You're in Roanoke, Virginia. Go ahead. And then it takes like five seconds for them to answer. Yeah. The delay is not good. No, it's not good for the other actor. No. You're waiting. Well, this actor would also, as he was hearing the line that he was about to say, he's

You could see his eyes like kind of roll back up in his head. He's looking off to the left and right. Yeah. And like, and then kind of their lips are slightly moving like, like, like they're going to say. They're repeating what they're hearing. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

So funny. It's tough, dude. It's tough. No doubt about it. Oh, God, actors. God bless us all. That's what I say. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing is you only have so much room for so much dialogue. I mean, you got to let go of it the next day. People will ask, hey, say that line from that movie. You're like, I can't remember a single line from a past movie at all. Victory. That's all I got for you, bro. That's it. That's it. Victory. That's all they want to hear nowadays anyway. And all I've got is literally.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the star of Hot Seat, Kevin Dillon. Just a sweetheart. He's always been one of the sweetest guys. Always has been. He hasn't, and I'm glad to see that success has not changed him one bit. All right, just one more thing before we end today's episode. Let's check the lowdown line. Hello, you've reached literally in our lowdown line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me, Rob Lowe. 323-570-

So have at it. Here's the beep.

Hey Rob, it's Tony from Fullerton, California. We're kind of like a generation X Johnny Carson. I really like your, uh, interview style. And I was wondering if you had a regular, like a traditional late night talk show, would you have a sidekick and who would it be? And also what would be your sort of house band? So think about that. Thanks a lot. Doing a great job. Bye. Wow. I love that. Thanks, man. Uh,

What a cool idea. What a great parlor game. Who would be your sidekick of your late night talk show? For sure, I think you have for sure having a late night talk show would be great. Do you think David Spade would do it? He wouldn't. He's too big of a star. But I'm thinking of people that I have a relationship with and that I know would be funny. It had to be somebody funny. Somebody is just a killer. David Duchovny.

He'd never do it, but he's so dry. He doesn't talk much, so he'd actually be a great sidekick. I'm going to go with David Duchovny or David Spade. Or how about Ice-T? I think Ice-T and I might be the couple America didn't know that they needed.

That's what I think. Anyway, thank you. Oh, a house band. There have been so many great house bands. I always loved the Max Weinberg Five on Conan or the Max Weinberg Whatever They Worse were great. The Roots are great. Paul Schaefer, of course, is and was amazing. But then again, there's also something about having a DJ. I'm going to bring Max Weinberg off the E Street Band and make him play for me. That's what I'm doing. All right. Thanks, brother.

Join me next week, everybody. You're going to really love our guest next week. I can't say who it is yet. Just trust me. It's going to be good. And five-star review would be wonderful if you're so inclined on Apple. And I'll see you next week right here on Literally.

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