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2021/3/18
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Rob Lowe: 谈论了从纽约搬到洛杉矶的经历,对比了大城市和郊区的快慢节奏生活,并表达了对好莱坞的向往。他认为纽约快节奏的生活方式让人难以适应,而洛杉矶则更符合他的生活节奏。 Vanessa Bayer: 分享了她从俄亥俄州搬到纽约,再到洛杉矶的经历,并对比了不同城市的生活节奏。她提到在纽约,人们的生活节奏非常快,而她在俄亥俄州的生活节奏则相对缓慢。她还描述了在不同城市中人们对方向询问的反应差异。 Rob Lowe: 表达了他对大城市快节奏生活的厌倦,以及对郊区宁静生活的向往。他认为,大城市的生活节奏太快,让人感到压力很大,而郊区的生活节奏则更加轻松自在。他分享了他对Chagrin Falls的喜爱,并表达了想要搬到那里居住的想法。 Vanessa Bayer: 分享了她对Chagrin Falls的喜爱,并讲述了Chagrin Falls高中学生在万圣节前偷走南瓜并滚下山的故事。她还对比了Chagrin Falls和马里布万圣节庆祝方式的差异,并表达了她对Chagrin Falls的怀旧之情。

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Rob Lowe discusses his belief that humor and intelligence are closely linked, expressing admiration for Vanessa Bayer's comedic talent and intelligence.

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Hello. Hi. Hi. How are you? I'm so good. I'm good. I'm glad you're not here because I might smell. I just came from my workout. Oh, very cool. I was like, I'm going to go sweaty. Well, you know, that's the nice thing about Zoom.

Welcome to Literally. And by the way, if you're listening, thank you for being part of the success of the podcast. It's been kind of overwhelming and I have only you to thank. So,

Today, for those of you who think this podcast is just me and my famous friends, what's fun for me is meeting people that I'm a fan of. And we're not friends, but I know we're going to be after this talk. And Vanessa Bayer is so awesome.

multi-talented and her impersonations make me laugh a ton and I am looking forward to getting to know her this is what makes doing this job super fun is potentially meeting new friends so here we go where are you you look like you're in a fabulous kitchen oh yes I'm in my kitchen I'm in LA

Oh, you are. Yeah. Yeah. I moved here about a year and a half ago from New York. So you fled. You fled the city that made you. It's true. That's how you were paid. That's how you were paid it. You're like, yeah, Saturday Night Live, the cultural center of New York made me and I'm taking my money and getting out. I'm just doing it. Yeah, exactly. I thought, you know, forget you guys. I'm on to the, you know, Hollywood and all of the, you know.

I want to be churned up by pilot season. Exactly. Just get me out there so I can, you know, be a part of that. The dream factory. Exactly. It's, you know, look to your left, there's a dream, right? There's a dream, you know. Yes, someone's dream. I don't know. Someone's dream. Yes.

What had you where you're from? You're from Ohio like me, right? Yes. Yes. Also from Ohio. I'm from Cleveland, like a suburb of Cleveland. I'm from Dayton. So suburb suburb from Cleveland is you. It's not like Chagrin Falls or one of those places. It is. I'm from actually my parents live in Chagrin Falls now. I'm from. No. Moreland Hills, which is right next to Chagrin Falls. I'm obsessed with Chagrin Falls. I have a fantasy that I give it all up and I move to Chagrin Falls. Really, I do.

It's so beautiful. It's so funny that you didn't say Shaker because everyone says Shaker, which is also a very popular suburb there. But Chagrin Falls is the one that was near me. I mean, we go to the falls all the time, go to the popcorn shop and get ice cream there. It's so nice. It's so nice. Can we go trick or treating together at Chagrin Falls? Well, this is so funny. This is such a I was just telling someone about this.

We can, but the kids who go to Chagrin Falls High School, if you put jack-o'-lanterns in front of your house before Halloween, they take all the pumpkins. And the Chagrin Falls kids do this big pumpkin roll where they roll all the stolen pumpkins down a big hill, which I guess is sort of like why, but also, you know. No, no, no, no. There's no why needed. It makes sense.

Beautiful, lovely, perfect sense to my sensibility. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah. And when I moved from Ohio, I moved to Point Doom in Malibu, and there's a ginormous hill there. And on Halloween in Point Doom in Malibu, they would take tractor trailer tires, light them on fire, and roll them down into the kids. Wow.

Wow. I thought the pumpkins was sort of dangerous, but that sounds. Yeah, but thank God we had Martin Sheen and War Paint from Apocalypse Now to walk up and down the streets with a baseball bat and keep the kids in shape. This is all true, by the way. So this is like I went I went from, you know, one one place that was quasi normal to madness, right?

Wow. Did you have that when you came from like a semi-normal Midwestern to... You went to New York, so you had that cultural awakening. Yeah. Well, I went to college in Philadelphia, so that was like a little bit of like an East Coast thing. But then I moved to Chicago, which was similar to Cleveland. Yes, very. Yeah. And then when I got to New York, it was like...

Everyone was moving so quickly. And like, I remember the guy at like the bagel store getting mad at me because I was like, they're like, what do you want? And I was like, well, should I? What do you like? You know, and they're like, get moving, you know, like just always being really slow about things and then having to like pick up my pace a lot. It really took me a long time.

It's sort of scary. I was used to just really deliberating about things and kind of taking my time. And that's not what... Yeah. You ever spent time in the South? Because I was born in Virginia. And in the South, when you ask for directions, man, you better pull up a chair. You better...

Be ready to hear about the history of the road that they want you to take. And it's lovely. But it is a – it's so funny how culturally different – well, because our country is so big. But it's –

I just think asking people for directions in various cities is great. In New York, they won't even answer and they'll keep going. Yeah. Yeah. They think you're trying to pull something. Yeah. People would look at you like, don't talk to me. People were really... I remember that such a memory. I interned a couple of summers in New York when I was in college. And I just remember people would not...

That was so weird to me that people would not stop and give you any direction. You're like, what? Me? I look nice. No, they didn't. You know, it's it's just exactly because you do look nice. Yeah. I'm trying. You're untrustworthy. Yeah. Yeah. I know you coming at me with your Midwestern niceness. Yeah. So so off putting. It was so weird. How did you first know that you like did you have an epiphany that you wanted to do what you did?

or was it a gradual awakening for you? Okay, well, I really did a lot of plays and was like a really big performer when I was, you know, really young and sort of through middle school. And then in high school, I didn't really do a lot of it. And then when I went to college,

I it's so funny to tell you, I knew that I would be telling you about this. I talk about this so much. Everybody at SNL knows about it, but I was in this all female sketch comedy and musical parody troupe in college called bloomers.

And, um, we, and so I auditioned for bloomers. Well, I auditioned, like, I realized when I went to college, I was like, I'm going to do, I want to like performing it. Like I want to do that stuff. And there was this, there was this freshman performing arts night where they, they, all the different performing arts groups were like, we need people come see. And they did like a little taste of what they do. And then they like passed out flyers and were like, please come audition. And they made it sound like they all really needed people to audition. So,

I auditioned for bloomers, but I also auditioned for like a couple acapella groups because I thought they I wasn't really a singer, but I thought they needed people. So like those auditions went so I mean, those auditions, everyone was auditioning with like pop songs. And I did like give my regards to Broadway and amazing because the last time I had auditioned was in like sixth grade. So I was like, that's what you do in an audition, whereas everyone else.

You sing dated show tunes in an audition. That's what you do. So everyone, I'm sure thought I was so anyways, those went horribly as you, and the line was like a hundred people. Like it was this group off the beat. That's like really popular that I didn't know. I was coming from Cleveland. I didn't know that like, you know, that these acapella groups like recorded albums every other year and stuff. So I thought it was like a barbershop quartet. You thought it'd be like old and square. Yeah. And I,

But look, if you need people, I can carry a tune. So anyway, so I auditioned for those. Those went horribly. But then I auditioned for Bloomers. And they had us do, even though it was a sketch comedy group, they had us improvise a bunch of stuff. And it went, like, really well. And then I sort of, it sort of...

And then I got in and then it registered to me and I did it for the rest of college. That was sort of like other than school, I was pretty good at school, like studying and doing well in school. But other than that, it was like the first thing I was like, really, I could feel that I was like sort of good at it. And yeah, it sort of clicked with me then. Well, you also proved one of my great theses is that the funnier somebody is, the smarter they are. I really, I really believe that.

That's so nice. Yeah, I know. I really, I really truly, I've never met anybody who was hilarious, who also wasn't really smart. Wow, yeah. I've met a lot of people who are functional morons, who are fantastic dramatic actors. That's so interesting. I don't want to name names, but I think you could probably figure them out. Okay, I'm starting to think of them. I won't say any out loud, but I'll sort of.

Think about it. I defy. Tell me one person who's hilarious. Who's not very smart. Oh, but they're so dumb. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. That's I think that's true. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. By the way, I don't know what it means. I mean, I'd like to do if I if I were I'd like to somebody should write a term paper. Somebody out there who's young and smart and ambitious. Please write a term paper about.

On that thesis and send it to me because I would like to know why that is. But I double dog Daria to disprove it.

Well, you know, this is a great transition for me because I wanted to tell you, because I don't think you and I have ever met before, but my brother and I and my family, the way I know you is from Tommy Boy because that was our favorite. I mean, like, and it was so fun listening to David Spade on your podcast because I just want, I mean, I guess the transition I was making and now it feels like kind of unnecessary, but the transition I was making is that like,

Even though you may perceive me as smart, I like that movie a lot, which is actually smart. I love that. By the way, that's genius. You may think I'm smart, but I like Tommy Boy. So there. That's my favorite movie. So I've probably, we've probably watched it. We watched it so many times. And like to the point where like my whole family, my dad says like, son of a, when he like hits something, like not even on purpose. Yeah.

And you're just so great. And you were so great in Wayne's World too. But like, you have to understand that those movies like were, to me, like there's nothing better in the world. And you are so good. And my brother was texting me just now being like, these Italian shoes are worth more than your life. And I go, I know, I'm so excited. So- I love that. You're so amazing in those movies. And I don't think,

I just it's so fun to me. And again, I know you have like your career is so much bigger than that, but just not really. I mean, that's pretty much I don't know.

By the way, can I just say after that, we're friends. Because I keep it really simple. I like people who like me. That's my entire prism through which I decide if I like anything. It makes life really easy. Really easy. Sounds like it. Yeah. I like that. I'm going to adapt that for myself. I'm telling you, you can't really go wrong. Yeah. It seems like, yeah, why be fighting with the...

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not a hill to die on. Yeah. No. Well, yeah. So Tommy boy. Okay. So it's funny. Every damn podcast, this comes up. He's the great white whale.

I mean, you got to talk about Lorne, Lorne Michaels. I mean, he's because you look, I love having you on the show because I you're funny and I love having funny people. And I love anybody from SNL at any era, because at the end of the day, it all comes back to do. Can your Lorne stories top mine? Right. That's really right. Right. That's really it's like it. And, you know, when I've spayed and we all do it, do you do you have do you have a Lorne story?

That you can share without fear of retribution. I'm thinking, this isn't a specific story, but every time I would do the bar mitzvah boy on SNL. Best ever. Greatest. Oh, thanks so much. Greatest.

he would say like, Steven Spielberg texted, he loved it. Like he was always very, he was always, and one time I was at a party, we were at a holiday after party and he was like sitting with Steven Spielberg and Paul McCartney and they're all like, we love the Bar Mitzvah. Like it was so, I mean, so I guess those are just me bragging. They're not really stories. No, they're not. No, they're not. No, they're not. That's not bragging. Listen, the other thing is an ethos that I also swear by.

is it ain't bragging if you've done it okay okay it's ty cobb quote ty cobb quote but okay okay i love that but so that would always be cool that he would always tell me that steven spielberg was um texting him and then and then to to i know you love paul to paul mccartney would be like you know i can't do the impression like i was mine oh mine's horrible what oh hello it's like let

Yeah, that's not bad. I don't think that's bad. I got sort of famous at SNL for doing bad impressions. I love that. I mean accents, bad accents, and I guess impressions too. But he would be like, you know what's my favorite? The look at mine was really bad, but Paul McCartney really liked it too. Anyways, those were the most amazing. And actually, when Paul McCartney...

was the musical guest. My parents came and, uh, and we, they came to the dress rehearsal show and my brother, they came to the dress rehearsal show and the live show. And I went to take them on the floor to watch him play at the dress rehearsal show. Cause I knew it would be less crowded on the floor.

And we went in the door by like wardrobe and, and Paul McCartney was waiting to go on. And so he was like right there. And my parents, like my mom and was like starting to like freak out. And he was so nice. He was like, he was like, nice to meet you. Like he was like my, I guess my dad was like, hi Paul. And he was like, nice to meet you. And then to calm my mom down, he was like, I'm going to sketch with your daughter, you know, cause I was introducing that. And then, and then we saw them perform and my mom,

Like, my mom was, like, jumping around like she was, like... I, like, saw my mom be a teenager again. It was so crazy to see her just revert. Like, that stuff is so crazy. I mean, that is the craziest stuff. Like, where else would that ever happen? I mean, I just...

Yeah. And that Lorne is friends with those people. And he's so sort of like generous with just taking them or I mean, it's just so and he's so you know, they're all such great people. It's so yeah. I mean, I know you've talked about this before and I don't know him well, but how but Paul McCartney is just like the sweetest, nicest, nicest. It's like I was.

And I'm an acquaintance. I know I'm like, if we ran into each other, be like, oh, how are you? And we would catch up a little bit. But that's sort of the extent of it. But I don't know anybody as culturally significant or as legendary or as accomplished as Paul McCartney, who is also the nicest, most like accessible, generous. And here's what I also like, you know, I was like, is it like this is Elton John? Like they're up on everything. Like they would know about Bar Mitzvah Boy.

Like that's on their radar. Yeah. Well, you know, it's, we had Elton John hosted when I was there, which was so cool. But it's so funny when you have someone like that host who you respect so much because you're like, they're like, you have to pitch them such dumb ideas. You know, our ideas don't get any smarter just because the host is really distinguished. So it was like,

Just pitching him, I think something we wrote, he didn't even want to do at the table because it was so stupid. I mean, but he was so great. He was so nice. That's what people don't realize about SNL. Maybe they do. Is that you, as a writer or a performer, you have to sit in front of that host and tell them ideas that you think are funny for them. Yeah, yeah. And it is literally, it can be like,

Speaking of Steven Spielberg, it can be like the opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan where they put the gate down and you are eviscerated before you even have a chance to get off of your seat. It can be like that, literally, right? It's like, you know, they just mow you down. And then other hosts are really cool. Yeah, totally. But, you know, you're...

Yeah, it's so funny when you find yourself pitching to someone who you just respect and adore and you just your idea is like it's maybe it's a thing about like you have a problem with gas and, you know, you know, like it's just like your ideas are so you're pitching them these ideas. OK, give me your best celebrity encounter and then give me your worst and name names.

The thing is, I can't. Oh, God. Already with that. I know. I know we're some best, but I can't. I feel too bad giving a worst. Just give me initials. OK, give me best. This is this is actually a fun. This is not a bitchy podcast, although I can be a huge bitch. I would love to. I just feel like it's I mean, you learn at SNL to not, you know.

Shit talk anybody because it's too scary. I mean, there are so many bests. So I'm sorry to say that, but I'm trying to think of. Well, you were. Listen, one of my favorite things about you is you were an intern on Sesame Street. Everybody knows those people are fucking assholes. Kidding, kidding, kidding, obviously.

I'm kidding. Can you imagine? Notorious. It's one of the great secrets of show business. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Like no one likes to talk about it because it's so beloved. Right. But you know that place is rife. Yes. With nightmares. The nastiest. Yeah. Hold that thought. We'll be right back.

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I remember being in, I've done the math. I would have been in kindergarten or maybe the beginning of first grade and getting what they used to call the weekly reader. Yeah. And they announced this show called Sesame Street was going to be on TV like the next month. I remember it vividly.

Yeah. And then turning on and watching it and just – I mean, it's – I mean, Sesame Street and then Saturday Night Live. I mean, that kind of – that's my TV, you know, thing. What was it like to work on it? Well –

To be honest, I was there over the summer when I was interning, so they weren't in production. So we got to go to the studio one day and that was so emotional. But the puppets weren't out. But just being there was so cool. But it was really amazing. And I remember that summer. It was the summer that...

They came out with the HIV positive Muppet for South Africa. And it like broke on the news because they thought it was going to be in the and it was like this whole big thing. But it was really cool that they were doing that. And it was like, they're just the smartest people. I mean, we would I went I went into they you know, they do research in school. So I went with them one day to go into a school and they tested all these storyboards with kids to see if they were getting lessons. Yeah, they like every

takes something, I might be saying this wrong, so please don't, but every episode takes something like a year or something because it's so much research goes into it. Like they test because they want to make sure the kids are getting the right lessons from everything. It's like, so everything is so educationally, you know. Do you know what I learned from Sesame Street? Don't carry a bunch of cakes and walk down a staircase. Right.

Really? Do you remember that? By the way, they've excised those bits from the modern Sesame Street. It was like, five strawberry shortcakes. And it was, you have five cakes. And you learned the number five. And then the guy would trip and just eat shit coming down the stairs. I don't remember. The early Sesame Streets were unbelievable. Yeah. Because there was a lot of physical comedy. And they, because it's,

He's clearly getting hurt. I mean, this guy wipes out. It's hilarious. Yeah. But they took it out. Doesn't Cookie Monster eat like something else now? I think he really does. I think he eats like. No way. Yeah. He's not the celery monster now. Well, I don't know. I don't think he has cookies anymore. I don't know. Wait, what? I'm so, I'm 99% sure of this.

Well, by the way, just knowing the era in which we live, of course that's true. Yeah, yeah. But I also now want to commit...

I want to jump off of a building. That is so it's such a bummer. It's more fun with cookies. I have my new obsession is thinking about what the cookie monster in today's day and age, what would be politically acceptable. And, you know, I think you could literally if you looked at it, I think it's I think it's out there, but I don't remember what it is. It might be carrots or something.

It's not the carrot monster. That's kind of a world. I just don't want to. I do not want to live in a world. In a world where there's a. Where there's a carrot monster. I understand. Call me crazy. I also want to ask you about Rachel Green, about your Jen Aniston. Oh, yes. And you actually, I was there when, who did I have when I was hosting and they were,

I think, you know, I think it was visiting and Tina met Sarah Palin and had to do Palin. Oh, that was such a huge thing. That was huge. But listen, when you have a signature character like that and then you meet your dear, the person, how, what was it like?

That was I mean, I had met her before. The craziest one was Miley Cyrus because I had never met her before. And I was doing this Miley Cyrus impression and she and it wasn't like that. It wasn't flattering, but it was like, you know, we both have really big mouths. And it was kind of that's kind of like most of the impression. And so and so she came to the show and then she hosts she hosted and.

Like, I remember doing the rehearsal and I was like imitating her and I don't even know if I could still do it, but it was like, it's vertical. I'm Miley Cyrus. Like it's that's what I'm doing that. And she's like standing behind me. And it was, I remember being so freaked out. And then we were rehearsing it later and her mom and her sister were on the floor and her mom was like,

Her mom was so nice about it. Her mom was like, you know, we love the Miley Cyrus show. It keeps us laughing, you know, for hours. And I remember telling my parents about it. My dad was like, I think really? Because I feel like if I were her parent, I'd be I'd be a little fat. But it was never it was always out of love. You know, it's never that's the thing I do think also is really great about Lauren is that in general, he never wants any of those impressions to be

done in like a mean way. Yeah. Yeah. But that was really crazy. And cause also she was so young, I think she was like 18. It's like a lot to have to like have someone like impersonating you and whatever. Anyways, she was always such a good sport about it, but I do think, um, but that was so nerve wracking because I'd never, it was my first season. I think it was my first season. And I, I just like, it was, you know, her whole family was there and it was just,

So that was really nerve-wracking. But Jennifer Aniston, I had met her doing this movie like the summer before she came on. And I had just done Rachel Green once on the show. And she knew about it. And we sort of talked about it. And I couldn't totally tell how... She was so nice, you know? But I couldn't totally... I don't know. But she was just really nice about it. And then... And she's...

You must know her. She's do you? I do. Yeah, I do. She's great. She's like so lovely. And so then she she was she she decided to come on to do to do to be herself next to me being Rachel Green. And it was like the most fun thing. It was it was one of my favorite shows ever because I.

First of all, I had this Rachel wig and she came with Chris McMillan, her hair. Well, that's really what I want to ask you about, because Chris McMillan is I mean, he should have his own show. That guy. So Chris McMillan, he created the Rachel. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I mean, there's the haircut that launched a thousand ships.

And he's so amazing. And the two of them came together. And I had met him when we had done this movie. We did this. I had a small part in this movie, Office Christmas Party, that she was in. And so that's kind of where I met him and her. That's where I met her.

Okay. And then they came to do SNL, and they were—it was so fun seeing them. They, like, had such specific ideas. I have photos—I mean, I have video of them, like, blow-drying the wig and, like, styling it. No way. And even when it was on me, I have a photo of Jennifer Aniston, like, moving it around because she, like, didn't think it was, like, falling right—like, they—

It was so fun. Like she's so, she was such a good sport about it. She's so, it was, but it's so funny to see her see the, the wig and be like, this is how it should go. Like, this is, you know,

It's really great. It was so great. It's like behind-the-scenes recreation of the Rachel. Yeah. Historical moment. And also to go out as Rachel in Update and know that the audience is just going to flip out when she comes out. She's so beloved, you know? So she came out, and they just, like, lost their minds. It was so fun. Those moments where you know –

On one of the episodes I did, we were going to have, I'm just blanking on his name, who did it? The Joe Pesci Show. Like it was the famous Joe Pesci Show sketch. And we had Pesci come out and the audience went nuts. And then De Niro came out. Wow. And the place, like that studio blows up.

Yeah. Literally blow it. It's explosive. And, you know, it's you don't get those things anywhere else. You just don't get to experience that as a performer anywhere else. Really? Yeah. It's so fun. I mean, that space is actually a lot smaller than I think most people think it would be. You know, it seems so much bigger on TV. And yeah, when something like that happens and it's amazing, like.

Everyone wants to be there. Like people, everybody will come and do something. And yeah, it just that when it explodes like that, it's so fun. I was I had Mike Myers on the podcast and we didn't even get around to talking about the time we I came to watch him do coffee talk.

And Barbra Streisand came on. I remember that episode. Was he surprised by it? Did he not know about it? Or am I making that up? I actually, you know what? I actually think they might have kept it for Mike. I think you're right. And I'd forgotten that. Yeah. Yes. I think Mike was surprised. I think that, yeah, I think because they hid her. She was hiding in the green room beforehand. I remember watching that and being, that was so amazing. It's so fun when that stuff happens.

And when you're done doing a show like that, do you have a, what was it like for you to get into that next chapter? When I left the show, I think I, I really think I was sort of ready to leave. You know, it was the end of my contract. It had been seven seasons and, and I really feel lucky. Like, I feel like I sort of got to do the stuff that I wanted to do and was able to sort of,

like keep, keep sort of a thing going where I, where I was able to come up with new stuff every year, like towards that. We finally got it on at the end of my last season, this,

this weather woman who has like a hard time speaking. And this, we did it my third to last and my last show, like we, I got to do it twice and I didn't do it till my third to last show. So it was like always coming up with these, these things. And then I felt like I was sort of ready. Cause it is like, as much as it's like so exciting and fun, the hours are so crazy. You know, it's, you know, it's like, it's so hard to like sustain that lifestyle. I just don't understand like,

Everybody stopped doing the Coke years ago on that show. I know. Why do they keep the Coke hours? Yeah. Why? The Coke hours. I don't, I think Lauren really loves tradition. And so that's the way it started. So that's how he, but, but I know it's such crazy hours and, you know, yeah, it just is. It's fun to go. I mean, it wouldn't be fun to do it every week, but to go in and, and,

And just pull all-nighters like you're in college writing. Yeah. And you're like a grown adult making a television show makes zero sense. Yeah. But it is kind of – and you get giddy. Maybe there's a madness to it because the giddiness of it's 4 in the morning. Yeah. And we're ordering a pizza. Yeah, totally, totally. Like that's where the madness – that's where you come up. I know. What about a weather person who can't speak?

Yeah. Yeah. That's not a, that's not a, a four 30 in the afternoon idea. Right. Right. Right. But it might be a four 30 in the morning idea. Right. Exactly. Like you go through so many different phases as a cast member there, because like, you know, it's really exciting when you're new, but you don't know if you're doing enough, you know, and it's, I,

One of my favorite things, and he told it on your podcast, was at the 40th anniversary, David Spade told me that story about seeing John Lovitz and saying, like, great show. And John Lovitz is like, I was only in two things.

I don't know if you and David Spade was like, I don't care that whenever I see you, I'm like delighted. I'm not counting what you're in. And then David said like that a couple of weeks later, he was exactly like that. It's so funny because that happens to every you know, from watching the show that you don't care. You're not counting. And so it's like you go through that phase. I think by my six or seven season, I had figured that out. Like I had been like I was like, oh, they don't really like no one's counting the way you are.

But you just go through, it's such a roller coaster of like, you're just so neurotic too, like while you're in it. And even when I watch the show now,

I can, I'm so in the heads of people going like, they're probably mad about this. They're probably thinking that, you know what I mean? Like I just can still feel, you know, what, what everyone's. Yeah. Did you ever have moments where at the end during the goodbyes, you're like, fuck this host. I don't want to be anywhere near them and like try to be off camera or conversely where you're like, I'm going to make sure my face is right up there at the end of that. Like I, I'm kind of fascinated with where people stand and,

At the goodbyes, because I think you can read all kinds of behind the scenes intrigue into where people choose to be at the end of the show. There was an episode where I can't remember who the I can't remember the host name. And that's probably good because I'm going to say something negative, although and no one he had gotten in trouble for, I think, some kind of domestic abuse or something. Yes.

And none of us wanted to none of us were really thrilled that he was hosting and none of the women wanted to be near him for good nights because none of us wanted to hug him. So if you watch the good nights with him in it, it looks like he's it's an all male show because the women are just all around the periphery of the stage.

That's what I'm saying. I think if you just go back, look very carefully, you can see a lot of drama. You can see a lot of that kind of stuff. But always, I wanted to go up there, especially my first season. The bigger the host, I just wanted to go up there and hug them. Because it's also the part that your friends and family are the most excited about. If you get to hug someone cool during good nights, that's all anyone cares about.

That's so sweet. It makes perfect sense. I had, for whatever reason, I had two people crash my good night. We weren't on the show. We're an affiliate. Twice that's happened to me. The first, the last time it happened, it was Brendan Fraser. Wow. Who, yeah. Yeah.

And I'm going, good night. Thank you. I want to thank everybody. And in the background, he's yelling, bedazzled, bedazzled, bedazzled. Do you know why? He had a movie called Bedazzled that was opening that weekend. Wow. All I can think of, I've spent many years trying to figure out what was going on with Brendan that night.

And what I the nearest I can come to is that he was somehow promised a walk on during the show and the show ran long. And he just was like, fuck it. I'm going I'm going to go up and yell bedazzled behind Rob Lowe's. Wow. But and then the bedazzled. By the way, have you he's really good in Encino, man. I don't know if you've watched it again.

I am not aware of the brilliance of Encino Man. Tell me more. It's Pauly Shore. And you know when Pauly Shore is kind of in his heyday. Yeah. And do you know the premise of it?

He's they they find a caveman. Yeah. Like in which is genius. I'm in for the premise in Encino. And then he becomes Encino, man. Well, it's making me laugh. It's funny.

But he's so he Brendan, you're like, this is a Pauly Shore movie. It's not. It's a Brendan Fraser movie. He's so good in it. Like, he's so funny in it. My friends and I watched it a few years ago. We were like, kudos. OK, I'm no. By the way, that sounds actually really genius. Truly, I'm not kidding. It's not an easy role to play. You know, I can't imagine it is. Yeah.

I mean, you don't see Daniel Day-Lewis. Yeah. You know, what's his Neanderthal like? Right. But not as good. Yeah. Also, I don't want to hang out with that guy, you know, backstage or whatever. Doesn't he stay in character? I don't know. Yeah, he'd be in character. He'd be cobbling shoes in the background. Yeah. Then the first time somebody jumped in on my goodbyes was Chevy. Wow. Wow. It was Chevy, who has a very complicated personality.

to put it mildly, relationship with the show and everybody. And I don't think he'd been there. And I never did know why. It was really sweet. It was great. It was, but I, he was, he, I think he'd been around that week and was checking stuff out and was like, I'm just going to go up. And, and, you know, people went crazy and was happy to see him, but it was like my idol. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

It's I don't I'm trying to think if he came in and visited maybe for the 40th anniversary. He was there for the 40th, I think. But he didn't. I feel like Dan Aykroyd, when I was there, came back the most, which was so cool. And then I think Bill Murray a couple of times, which was also so cool. Like, you know, getting to meet those people. It's like insane. I mean, even like that.

those people, it's so crazy. And then the people from when I was a kid watching it, you know, like when Dana Carvey hosted, it was like, this is the craziest thing in the world. And he was so like, it's so crazy to meet those people because you're just, it's like the thing that Lauren says is that your favorite cast is the cast from when you were a kid. Like it always is like no one. Yes. And so just to, to meet those people, um,

It actually also makes you realize that you're there, like as a reminder of how crazy it is that you're there. Yeah, it's such a great parlor game. And it's kind of like, you know, boomers bemoaning today's music. You know, it's that same thing. It's like, it's the same music. The best music is the music that was around when you were 17 years old. Yeah, exactly.

Same with a cast of SNL, for sure. But that said, when I – Dan – being with Dan and Tommy Boy was like a career highlight. I mean, a career. Oh, my God. I mean, I did Bass-o-matic in my sixth grade talent show, for God's sakes. Oh, my God. That's so great. Yeah. I mean, how many times have you had a bass, you wanted to do whatever the hell it was, and then you –

I still can't. I still am so it's still so fun that you were in those movies. I mean, you're so great in those movies. I know I already said that. I don't mean to bring us back to that, but you're just so more. You're just so good. And it's such a good for it's so great. Yeah. And that's that's listen. And thank you. And that's all Lauren. It's all Lauren. Really? I mean,

I hosted the show because it was like a moment in time where like, you know, there are certain hosts where you know they're hosting because they're funny. And there are certain hosts you know they're hosting because they're having a moment in time. Right? Right? You know what I mean? I do, but yeah. And so I was sort of having a moment in time and...

There was a sketch that went really, really, really particularly well. And and Lauren loved it. And we connected. And then it just he was like, I could see him going, oh, this guy's like funny. And we built that relationship. And, you know, it was all Lauren's doing, putting me in those movies. But I'm sure. But it's also like you were so funny that you could do that. You know what I mean? Like those you can't be in a funny movie. That's like you're so funny in it.

Like he saw that in you, which is why he did that. And I just like, you're so good in those. It's like, yeah, it's just really great. So I don't need to feel bad about my good-looking, rich, dick, comedy villain era? No, it's, that's what I, that's... No, usually you say, yo, Rob, because you are a good-looking, rich, comedy dick. So why would you ever feel bad about who you are? Yeah, right. Right.

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That is the one thing I liked about Tommy Boyd, perhaps more than all of them, because he was a poor guy.

good looking comedy dick. See, you see my versatility? See how versatile it is? Yes. See, I mean, it was a real stretch. Right, right. A different socioeconomic class. That's right. So that takes a lot of, you know. So I mean, you put what I'm playing in Wayne's World against what I'm playing in Tommy Boy and they're just diametrically different.

Right, right. I mean, it is funny. Thinking about it, it is funny that you're that guy in both of those movies. Yeah, it is so cool. It's really funny. And you're so good at it. Nobody, you know, no one was like, didn't... Didn't he play that exact same part? In fact, it's so funny because I forgot about Wayne's World for a second. Then I was like, oh my God, of course, Wayne's World. Because I think of you so much from Tommy Boy, but they are similar and never...

You know, what's I was I was so happy finally when Mike wanted me to do young Robert Wagner. So I was like, oh, OK, that's weird. And off off very off the beaten path. It's more it's more of a challenge to you to stay in it in the voice for the whole time.

It is. And it's like you said, I like your, you said about my Miley Cyrus. A lot of it was just having a big mouth. My Robert, my, no, it is, but it's true. My Robert Wagner thing is that his head does not move independently from his neck or his body, which is probably not true. He doesn't, I don't know. That's not an affectation he has, but when I do Robert Wagner, he is incapable of moving independently.

His head from his body. I don't know why that just works. It's great. I mean, that's the best stuff about impressions is like, is like your take on it as opposed to, you know, if it's accurate, you know, and yours is very accurate by the way. I'm not saying it's, but like also you're the things that you pick to really. That's what I love. I love when people's takes are not like, you know, I love Gerald Hammond. Gerald Hammond's amazing. Yeah. He's, he,

His Daryl Hammond's Al Gore might be one of my favorite impersonations on the planet.

Yeah, it's so good. It's so good. And then, I mean, do you think you'd be bummed on it now where it feels like they bring in the famous people? And I love Alec, and he's been on the podcast. He's a great friend. Yeah. But, like, what if you're on the show and you have a Trump in you? And you're like, fuck, Jesus. It's the thing that I notice the most is – it's not the thing I notice the most. It's the thing that I think probably – that I notice that probably bugs the cast the most is –

you know, it's so exciting to have all of these huge celebrities come on and play these parts. But I, yeah, when you're in the cast, I think you're like, I want to do, you know, I want to do those parts. And, and it's a, it's, I understand why they bring all those celebrities on. It's so exciting and so cool, but you know, the cast really are like the, they're so funny and they're so ready to do those parts. And so I, I,

You know, it's I've always felt mixed when I see that stuff because I'm like, oh, this is really cool to see this. But as a former cast member, you're like, just let can you just let one of them do it? You know, it's right. Yeah. It's become more, I think. I mean, I left I guess I left three seasons ago. I've been off for three seasons now.

And I think it's become more. I don't have people come in, but not to the level of it is now it that it is now. And that's also the the evolution of what of the ethos of the show as a SNL nerd.

is like you realize, you know, it's like there was no memorabilia. Like that was verboten. Right. Just not happening. Not doing it. We're not selling out. And I'm not saying that the show's sold out, but Lauren, there's a reason why the show's still on. Yeah, I mean- After 40 years. And that is that, you know, Lauren knows what he'll to die on and what he'll not to. Yeah. I mean, there are hosts now. In fact, if I have a knock on the show-

It's the hosts. And there are people who've hosted for years now that would never been allowed within 30 yards of that studio. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it just it just was like, yeah, we like famous people for sure. And we want always want famous. But if you're not legit funny, you're not on the show. And that's right. Not the case. They'll prop anybody up now.

Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. I mean, I guess it's just, it's been on for such a long time and it's like figuring out those ways to keep it like. In the zeitgeist. And that's what's so brilliant about, about Lauren is like, you know, he knows when to eat shit and when not to do. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of like, okay, at the end of the day,

I want it to be as good as it can be. But having a brilliant genius show that's canceled doesn't do anybody any good either. Right, right. Totally. And it's been great. Tell me about your new show you're working on. I'm working on the show for Showtime. So we were about to film the pilot and then...

And then, you know, this pandemic happened. So we're figuring out when we'll film it. But it's basically it's loosely based on my life because when I was in high school, I had leukemia. I'm totally fine now. But and so it's based on someone who who I will play, who is a is a survivor of childhood cancer, who goes on to live her dream of being a host on like a QVC style show.

Home Shopping Network. Amazing. Which is something that I love. I love it. Of course. When I was a kid, I used to watch it all. Who's your favorite QVC host? I have two. One is Jane Treach. I don't know if you pronounce her last name Treacy or Treachy.

Jane and the other is Mary Beth Rowe. And they're both still on. And I used to watch them when I was a kid. And then my writing partner and I, who Jeremy Beiler, we both went and we did a tour of QVC like three years ago now. And we got to meet them and we got to like sit down with them for like an hour. And, um,

They were so nice. They told us so many stories that were so, I mean, just the most, because, you know, they have really nice temperaments. Like, they're so sweet. But then they would tell us, you know, we'd be asking them about, like, getting crazy callers. And, yeah, and one of them was like, yeah, someone would call in and they'd just be like, fuck you. Yeah.

And they just said, I don't know. It's hard to, but they just, they're so, so comforting. So funny. I just, I think it's, I love it. I love everything about it. Who are your favorites? Do you have favorites? I don't, unfortunately, I don't know. I'm obsessed when the celebrities come on and, and,

And hawk their wares. It's amazing. It's amazing. And I also like where it's clear that they've dolled it up in a way that they're trying to make it feel like they're not slumming. So, like, it's all gauzy shot with, like, long lenses and stuff.

You know what I'm saying? It's like it's – it's like – so they don't feel like they're on QVC, but meanwhile they're on QVC. But you can just feel the celebrity going like, I don't want it to seem like I'm on – that part really makes me laugh a lot. You know, Catherine Zeta-Jones has a line called Casa Zeta-Jones. It's like home – it's like homewares. By the way, it's the greatest name ever. Okay. It's pretty – I mean, it's –

pretty smart. Casa Zeta-Jones. Casa Zeta-Jones. I fold my hand. I was watching it with her and it was so funny because she's such a huge celebrity and she was on and it was like,

You could tell the host was like very excited, you know, rightfully so to be on with her. But then people were calling in and it was like it was like added this new element where like callers call in to talk about the product. But they were also kind of calling in because they wanted to talk to Catherine Zeta-Jones. Yeah. So it was just like such a weird it just like.

such a huge celebrity to be on there and just seeing how everyone adjusts their behavior and are sort of like trying to like keep it cool while it's like it was just um

She's like, yeah, it was great working with Antonio Banderas in that movie. But this ottoman that I'm here to talk about today is made of fibers from the – whatever, right? Yeah. It reminds me of when I did a telethon.

And we were, and, and like the, the, the big, and George Clooney was running it, was my favorite part of it. And, and, and George would sort of Dane who he wanted to go on camera. And if, if you pass,

clunies thing then you got to go on camera but if you didn't you were relegated to the bleachers and where the phone banks were and in and then you would be answering phones and so of course i was the bleachers and um uh next to johnny depp and um

People would call and they'd be like, all they would really want was to talk to Johnny Depp. And like, or they'd be like, Renee Zellweger. So it became this thing of everybody handing the phone to everybody else who just didn't really want to donate to anything. But they did. But they knew they saw that I was sitting next to Johnny Depp and it was just madness. Madness. I mean, yeah, it's a great it's it's just blindly calling in to see if they can.

I thought that the Jerry Lewis Telethon was like the Academy Awards. Yeah. When I'm like an eight-year-old in Dayton, Ohio. I just – it was the height of glamour to me. I also remember going like figuring if I – and you can donate here. And I thought that if I went and donated there that I'd get to see Jerry Lewis and the – no concept whatsoever.

Right. It wasn't being shot in Dayton, Ohio on my local television network. Yeah. Yeah. So I remember asking my dad to take me down because I wanted to donate. And he probably thought he had this wonderful son who was, you know, wanted to be charitable. I just wanted to see stars and see the telephone. And I got there and there was a, I remember there was a fire truck when you put it in a fireman's hat and you drove by in the rain and that was the end of it. And I was so disillusioned. That's so sad. Yeah.

Isn't it? It's, I mean. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? It's so, such a bummer when you're a kid and you, you know, like commercials where stuff can fly, you know, where toys can fly and stuff. And then you get the toy and it doesn't fly. Oh, the toy and the cereal. Yeah. Don't even get me started. Don't even get me started about the toy and the cereal. When it's microscopic. Yeah. When you pull it out, you're like, this was supposed to be a ray gun. Yeah. Yeah.

It's the size of my fingernail. You know, what's crazy is that in retrospect, it's like, how could it have fit in the cereal box if it was that much bigger? Well, that's why they don't do it anymore because how many kids died, do you think? Right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, right. I'm obsessed with cereals. I'm obsessed. I can't have cereal in my home because I can eat

I would just eat all of it in one day. I mean, what is your favorite cereal? And you can say a healthy and a sugary. Or not, it doesn't have to be healthy. Can I tell you, I can make it easy. There is no healthy. I'm not interested in, why would I ever be interested in cereal that's not the type of cereal? Okay, okay. I, if I pick one, all-timer. But you can also mix some. So you,

So you can pick more than one. I guess you can pick more than one. I am going. Oh, OK. Here's a good one. So my healthy one is my favorite. Healthy is life cereal. It's so healthy. Life is so good. I discovered I'll say this. I discovered life later in life.

Me too, because I thought it was too healthy. Same. And then I tried it and I was like, this is, it sort of reminds me of Crispix. I had, I liked Crispix a lot when I was little. Life is so good. So good. And, and I like both cinnamon and the regular, the original. I prefer the original, but I understand. I understand. Cinnamon. Okay. I'm going to go with, hang on out. Cause there's a lot of, it's the 100%. It's Cocoa Puffs.

Interesting. But then again, you start talking about, you know, I'm not going to sleep on a peanut butter Captain Crunch or Lucky Charms. I see that's that's very like my brother is to like the like Cocoa Crunch peanut butter, that stuff. I'm more of a Lucky Charms cinnamon toast crunch. Yeah. But if I'm going cinnamon, I'm going cinnamon life.

I see. I can see that. I also really like I also really like Frosted Mini Wheats, which is definitely a sugar cereal. Wow. That's really interesting. That's that takes me back because I remember when they didn't when they came out and they were like they put that glaze on it. Yes. Here's my thing on that. You know what my thing on that is?

I like to eat it without the milk because the milk makes the glaze come off of it and defeats the whole purpose. Thank you. Wow. Thank you. To me, it's...

I like that when it's soaked up some of the milk. I think it's a little... Do you drink the milk when the cereal is done? Because I think that's gross. I think it's gross, gross, beyond gross, gross. Gross. Date over if that happens. What I would normally do is I would fill the leftover milk with more cereal. Yes, that's fine. Yeah. But what I drink the milk... Do you know that like...

Do you know that places like Milk Bar, are you familiar? Sell like, have like a cereal milk, like milkshake and stuff. Oh, it was a milkshake. Well, I have, there's an ice cream that I have that has Lucky Charms in it. That sounds great.

You have to buy it in advance. Although I have such a complicated relationship with Lucky Charms because I never know if I really want to have just like a spoonful of it, just go in blind, take whatever you get. Or sometimes I get like a little obsessive over like, I'm going to leave the marshmallows for the end because they're so good. Then you're starting eating sort of all marshmallows and milk and you're like, did I make the right choice? Yeah.

I don't think you did. I don't think that is the right choice at all. I think they're mixed for a reason. Yeah. And I also don't like, again, I want to be in the board meeting. I'm obsessed with stuff like this where they go, we need to update the marshmallows. And they, like the rainbow, like I'm suspicious about the rainbow. The rainbow. Yeah. Because it has so many colors in it. And I'm like. Yeah. Yeah.

Each color is supposed to be a taste, right? Blue tastes like blue. Right. Right? And green should taste like whatever green tastes like. And there's a lot of colors there, and I just don't – I'm suspicious of it, of the taste of it. I don't think they differ. I don't think they make the different colors. I think they all – It's all marshmallows you're telling me all these years? I think they're all – yeah. I think they all taste the same. Yeah. Yeah.

Interesting. I think they all are the same. I don't know. I mean, look, they're doing something right. I mean, they're doing really well. Now, let me ask you this. Do you have cereal in your home? I would not have it in my home if it were up to me. But because we are – my sons are back from COVID, there we do. They want, okay. We have lucky charms there. And some in life. I mean, and like I –

I have to really, I have a sugar tooth and I have to fight it badly. Yeah. And so my way to fight it is when I get that thing, I have an Atkins, this is going to sound weird, an Atkins chocolate banana shake. And it tastes like a milkshake.

And it's great for you. And then I don't have the cereal. Then you don't have the cereal. That's my comfort. That's where I go for my comfort thing. Yeah. That's good that you have that because I feel like cereal is like such a slippery slope. I mean, obviously there's worse things you could have.

But you can't stop eating. Yeah, it's like you're a dog, like a dog will eat itself to death. That's what it is with somebody told someone just recently told me and it was like a big aha moment for me. It's probably like, no kidding, you big idiot. But like the unprocessed sugar, your body can't.

It doesn't exist in nature. And so your body is trying to get the nutrients out of it and keeps going, okay, give me more because there's no nutrients. I didn't get any nutrients from that. Okay, I didn't get any nutrients from that. Okay, I didn't get any nutrients from that. And that's why you cannot stop. That's why if you have a couple of things of an ice cream next thing, a pint is gone. That's so interesting. Isn't it? It may not even be true, but that's the way I heard it. Yeah. It seems like it is true though.

Sometimes if I hear something and it's helpful to me, I don't really care if it's true. Yes. You know? 100%. What are we looking out for? You know, sorry, it's, you know, what are your... The truth police. Yeah, we're not, we're looking for, I think at this point, what's helpful over, you know, necessarily. Do you, you know, do you want the truth? Sure. Do you need it?

Probably not. No. I think if we've established one thing this year, it's that. Yes. Truth is overrated. It's overrated. And look, we can survive without it. Barely. But... Look, if a lack of truth, a lack of scientific truth is going to screw up our environment, at least it's going to make me stop eating life cereal. Yeah, that's right. And isn't, at the end of the day, it's all about...

Me. Priorities. Yes. Yeah.

That's where I was getting. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I just you're too kind to say it. So I just I just I just I just said it for you. Didn't this is so fun. I'm so thank you for coming on here. This is thank you for having me. I was very excited to do this. This was so much fun. And it's so nice to virtually meet you. I know. I know. I hope our paths cross and tell you is your brother the one who's been texting you my boy dialogue. Yes. Yes.

I will tell him you said hello. Tell him I actually did say that my shoes are worth more than his life. I will. I'm sure he'll love that. Thank you. Thank you. Hopefully I'll see you soon, as Lauren would say. This is great. Really, really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. See you later. See you later. Bye.

All right, that was so fun. I don't know about you, but I am so down to clown with her idea of her TV series taking place in QVC. I'm there. I'm there. And for the rest of the day, I'm going to be eating cereal and thinking about what was it? Casa Zeta-Jones. That's the greatest name ever for a celebrity line of whatever that is. I've learned a lot today and I hope you have too.

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Hey, Rob. This is Joe in Memphis. I have a sports question for you. Do you agree with me that Tom Brady is a lizard person? I think there's some compelling evidence. I mostly go back to, well, among other things, he doesn't age like a normal human being. He's won an inordinate amount of Super Bowl rings. But my bigger thing is the clues given to us by Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick is a lizard person.

Bill Belichick, I believe, is actually a hero for our society. He, I think in his own way, is trying to signal us that Tom Brady is a lizard person. He's never, Bill Belichick never looks happy, even given all of the success he's had. He always looks like a grouch. He's

I think if we were to watch any of his press conferences, he would probably be blinking in Morse code. Watch out for Tom Brady. He's a lizard person. So I want to know where you fall. And if so, if he is a lizard person, should the Patriots and Tampa Bay be stripped of all their Super Bowl trophies? Thanks again. And I'll take my answer off the air. Yeah, thanks, Joe. I've given a lot of thought to this. Look, as lizard people go, I think.

You know, I think it's it. He ticks all the boxes, Brady. As you say, he's he's he does not age. He's a he's a freak of nature. It's very clear that Bill Belichick has been giving press conferences like prisoner of war videos for years. In fact, I always wanted to do my interviews like Bill Belichick and and.

I do like that Brady is in the pretty boy hall of fame. That's more important than being, for me, a lizard person, is that he's a very pretty man. And I have a very soft spot in my heart for pretty men. And I love to see him do well. And if he is a lizard person, you know, it's made up for by the fact that he is, more importantly, extraordinarily pretty.

Thanks, Joe. That was a good question. Until next time. You have been listening to Literally with Rob Lowe. Produced and engineered by me, Devin Tory Bryant.

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