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Goldman's Jared Cohen and George Lee on the Unprecedented Shocks in Geopolitics

2025/2/27
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Jared Cohen: 我观察到欧洲领导人对特朗普政府的担忧,最初是担心在他们和乌克兰头上达成关于乌克兰的协议,后来发现他们更惊讶于协议的达成方式以及缺乏新政策。欧洲经济缺乏增长导致其在国际政治舞台上的影响力下降,面临来自美国和中国多方面的挑战。欧洲领导人对特朗普政府的准备不足,因为大多数领导人没有在特朗普第一次总统任期内与他打交道,并且这次特朗普的政策与上一次有很大不同。特朗普政府的政策更注重互惠,在印太地区保持了一定程度的政策一致性,但在对欧洲和北美的贸易政策上则更为强硬。与特朗普第一次总统任期相比,本次政府的政策制定更加集中于白宫,各部门和机构的影响力减弱。特朗普政府对地缘政治采取了交易性的方法,目前尚不清楚这种方法是否有效,欧洲国家似乎并没有轻易接受这种做法。尽管美中关系表面上较为平静,但两者之间的根本性矛盾依然存在,短期地缘政治考量可能会带来长期的经济后果。地缘政治变化可能会创造新的投资机会,例如日本和印度等国家由于地缘政治因素而面临的改革和机遇。特朗普政府对加拿大的负面态度,部分原因是个人关系和贸易逆差等因素。特朗普政府的关税政策具有多种类型,有些是基于既有模式,有些是作为回应或谈判策略,还有一些则超越了以往的先例,其经济影响尚不明确。应对地缘政治风险,需要识别系统性冲击、关键转折点和时间顺序,并关注积极的投资机会。 George Lee: 海湾国家的经济利益和地缘政治目标的转变,从最初的地缘政治驱动转向经济利益驱动。世界各国领导人对人工智能的重视程度空前提高,将其视为国家发展的关键。对欧洲经济前景的悲观情绪并非夸大其词,欧洲领导人虽然知道需要采取哪些措施,但在实施方面面临着诸多挑战,包括政治联盟的脆弱性和国家利益之间的冲突。欧洲在人工智能领域的领导地位,部分程度上被其对人工智能安全的关注所定义,这种关注在一定程度上阻碍了其发展。虽然DeepSeek等人工智能技术的进步令人印象深刻,但其最大的影响可能是其开源性质,这可能会加剧美中之间的竞争。我们需要质疑人工智能是国家实力的关键因素这一假设,并考虑其潜在的负面影响。海底电缆对于全球贸易和数据传输至关重要,其安全性和稳定性日益受到关注,并可能成为地缘政治竞争的焦点。将地缘政治不确定性纳入投资策略,需要关注关键的转折点和市场对清晰度的反应。

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The first month of the Trump administration has been noisy and novel by basically any measure. But perhaps the biggest shockwaves have been in the realm of geopolitics. Europeans were caught off guard by a recent speech given by Vice President JD Vance in Munich, calling into doubt the future of the Trans-Atlantic partnership. Meanwhile, when it comes to tariffs, the Trump administration has actually been tougher on Mexico and Canada than it has been on China. Then add into all of this the anxiety over AI domination, as a result of the hype around DeepSeek. So how should we understand these novel risks? And how should investors incorporate them into their thinking? On this episode we speak with Jared Cohen and George Lee, the co-heads of the Goldman Sachs Global Institute. They discuss the future of Europe, what they're expecting from the Trump administration, the rise of the Gulf powers, AI, undersea cables, and the opportunities in identifying what they call "geopolitical swing states" like Japan and India.Odd Lots is coming to Washington, DC! Get your tickets here.)

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