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Ray Dalio on the Coming Crisis in US Debt

2025/3/3
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Joe Weisenthal
通过播客和新闻工作，提供深入的经济分析和市场趋势解读。
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Ray Dalio
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Traci Allaway
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Ray Dalio: 我认为美国正处于一个债务周期的转折点。债务增长过快，超过了经济的生产力，就像循环系统中的血栓，会限制消费和投资。美国政府需要不断地发行新债来偿还旧债，这加剧了债务问题。债务的买家数量有限，这使得债务发行变得困难。地缘政治风险，例如制裁，可能会加剧债务危机。如果债务危机恶化，央行可能会印钞购买债券，导致货币贬值和债务螺旋。为了避免债务危机，应该首先达成将预算赤字控制在GDP 3%以内的共识，然后再讨论具体的措施。可以通过削减支出和提高税收来实现。永久性减税是否会加剧经济危机，取决于整体经济环境和相关政策的组合。在2008年金融危机之前，我通过分析债务买家的行为和预算赤字，判断出信贷市场将面临风险，并成功规避了风险。 我建议投资组合多元化，黄金是有效的多元化工具，因为在危机时期，黄金通常表现良好。比特币也具备一些类似的属性。 未来可能出现的类似尼克松关闭金本位制的情况，可能是对某些国家债务的冻结或不承认。债务危机可能表现为利率上升、货币贬值、央行购买债券等。美国可能通过调整全球金融体系来使其自身受益，这将导致所有货币相对于黄金或其他硬资产贬值。 Joe Weisenthal: 人们对债务规模的焦虑，需要考虑经济的目标是什么，以及除了数字之外，政治和社会因素也可能导致金融危机。高债务并不一定意味着危机，政治和社会因素也可能导致危机。国家层面的债务问题既是金融问题，也是政治和社会问题。尽管美国债务高企，但目前尚未发生严重后果，人们对债务危机的预警感到疲劳。债务危机可能表现为利率上升、货币贬值等。未来可能出现的类似尼克松关闭金本位制的情况，可能是对某些国家债务的冻结或不承认。 关于美国债务危机的具体应对措施，以及如何达成共识，目前存在很多分歧。 Traci Allaway: 对债务问题的讨论，以及Ray Dalio对债务周期和投资策略的分析。

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The podcast opens with a discussion on visualizing large sums of money like a trillion dollars, relating it to the US budget deficit. It then transitions into the complexities of understanding debt at a national level, highlighting the interplay between financial aspects and political confidence.
  • Difficulty in grasping the scale of national debt
  • Debt crisis involves financial and political factors
  • The US budget deficit in 2024 was around $1.8 trillion

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Almost whichever way you measure it, the US has a lot of debt. And, with the Trump administration recently proposing a budget that would see US debt levels swell even further, it doesn't look like this issue is going away any time soon. In this episode, we speak with Ray Dalio, the billionaire founder of the hedge fund Bridgewater Associates and the author of the new book, How Countries Go Broke). We talk about how he thinks about debt cycles, the catalyst for when high levels of debt become an immediate problem, what a debt crisis actually looks like, and what the US needs to do to avoid a "heart attack" debt crisis within the next three years. We also speak about what investors should do in these scenarios, including Ray's thoughts on things like Bitcoin and gold. And, of course, we also speak about his role in helping create the Chicken McNugget.Read more:The Stories We Tell Ourselves About Bonds)‘Mar-a-Lago Accord’ Chatter Is Getting Wall Street’s Attention)Odd Lots is coming to Washington, DC! Get your tickets here.)

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