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Howard Schultz: 我致力于创造一个尊重和重视每位员工的公司,这源于我父亲因工受伤后被解雇的经历。我不认为需要工会来保护员工,因为我已经为所有员工提供了股票期权和医疗保障。我理解员工在疫情期间的压力,并承诺做出改变。如果员工对星巴克不满意,可以选择去其他公司工作。工会是外部势力,试图破坏公司的未来,我们需要重新构想星巴克的顾客体验、员工体验和企业文化。星巴克没有违反法律,工会并非解决问题的唯一途径,他们提供的福利不如星巴克。 David Brown: 舒尔茨将员工放在首位的承诺与星巴克与员工的冲突形成对比。疫情期间,员工承受了巨大压力,公司和顾客都没有充分重视他们的困境。舒尔茨承认星巴克在疫情期间对员工的关怀不足,并承诺改变。 Jim Cramer: 星巴克在凯文·约翰逊离职一年后仍未做好接班计划,这令人费解。 Ed Markey: 星巴克员工需要法律保护,而不是依赖于舒尔茨的个人道德感。他们需要工会来维护他们的权益。 Bernie Sanders: 星巴克违反了联邦劳动法,需要承担责任。

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Wondery Plus subscribers can binge all episodes of Business Wars The Whole Foods Rebellion early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts. That was a really good slurp. Let's see if we can go a little louder. Let's try it again. It's November 2021 in Buffalo, New York, and Starbucks is having labor pains.

Baristas who have been keeping America caffeinated throughout the global pandemic want Starbucks to give them a jolt. They're asking for more pay and better working conditions. And at a few Buffalo stores, they're even talking about forming the first union in Starbucks' 50-year history.

Starbucks executives have spent months trying to stop that from happening. And tonight, in a hotel ballroom filled with executives and employees, many of whom are wearing Starbucks trademark green aprons, the company's anti-union push will come to a head with a speech from Starbucks legendary former CEO, Howard Schultz. So welcome, Howard Schultz.

As he soaks in the cheers, Schultz projects a relaxed coffeehouse vibe. The man who built Starbucks from a sleepy Seattle coffee cellar into a billion-dollar behemoth is wearing a tan cardigan, khakis and brown suede shoes. But Schultz is anything but chill.

He's come on his own accord to speak at this emergency meeting because he sees the unionization effort as a threat to the familial corporate culture he helped build during his two stints as CEO, the last of which ended four years earlier. To save that culture, Schultz makes an appeal that he says comes from his heart. In a very vulnerable way, I have to share with you my own origin story, my own personal story.

because much of the values, the guiding principles, and really the culture of the company comes out of what I experienced as a young boy. The room is silent as Schultz speaks and slowly paces the room. He shares a story of his father getting fired after being injured at work and the family sunk into poverty. And when I knew I wanted to start something, I always knew that

that if I got the opportunity, I was going to build the kind of company that my father never got a chance to work for. A company that was steeped in respect and dignity for everyone who worked in the company. Schultz doesn't say the word "union," but his message to the workers — actually, Schultz calls them partners — is this:

Sure, he's a billionaire, but he's also offered stock options and health care to all Starbucks workers, including part-timers. They can trust him now to protect them without needing a union. But then, Schultz's speech takes a turn. He tells a story about the Holocaust.

Eyes widen in the room as Schultz says that one out of every six people sent to concentration camps was given a blanket when they arrived at those camps. Not everyone, but most people shared their blanket with five other people. And so much of that story is threaded into what we have tried to do at Starbucks is share our blanket with

Comparing the tragedy of the Holocaust to the challenges of a coffee chain leaves some workers feeling colder than a frappuccino. And weeks later, MSNBC reports that a vote on unionization is held in Buffalo. As is often the case, almost always the case, the company put up a huge campaign against the union, which included the company's former CEO, Howard Schultz, showing up and using an ill-fated Holocaust analogy to describe the company's mission to help convince workers not to unionize.

Today, the vote was counted as workers watched on a live stream and they saw their store become the first company-owned Starbucks to unionize in its 50-year history. Starbucks has lost the first round to organized labor and more losses are on the way. Soon, sales will slide and competitors will rise. And many will start asking, will the king of coffee be dethroned?

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From Wondery, I'm David Brown, and this is Business Wars. Hey, anyone in the mood for a cup of coffee? What's your drink? Double espresso, perhaps? Maybe a latte, iced coffee? I take mine black, large, three sweet and lows. Pink stuff only, please. These days, we've all got our Java preferences, thanks at least in part to Starbucks.

The company was founded way back in 1971 as a coffee bean wholesaler. And since then, it's transformed the way people all over the world get their morning, afternoon, or even evening caffeine fix. Howard Schultz bought Starbucks in 1987. That year, the company made $1.3 million. In 2024, Starbucks made $36 billion. But lately, Starbucks has been brewing up some bitterness, too.

Since 2021, Starbucks has been tussling with baristas and others who have unionized hundreds of stores. For Scholz, who built this brand with promises to put employees first, well, that's been a gut punch.

And that's just one of the problems Starbucks now faces. Its complex menu with endless customization has led to longer wait times. And that's led some customers to go elsewhere. After all, today you can find coffee concoctions at big chains like Dunkin', Tim Hortons, Pete's, and the fast-growing Dutch Bros, as well as at independent shops across the country. Many chains like Intelligentsia, Blue Bottle, and Stumptown come to mind.

That external competition is troubling for Starbucks. But internal strife has hit the company too, and not just in the unionized stores. Activist investors have rattled the gates of the company, calling for a new strategy. Meanwhile, four different CEOs have led Starbucks since 2017.

Yes, Starbucks still commands 40% of the coffee chain market, but the question is, can it remain dominant? Or has Starbucks permanently lost its buzz? This is Episode 1, The Founder's Curse. It's March 2022 on Wall Street. Perched above the trading floor, CNBC's Jim Cramer frowns. He's trying to figure out the breaking news coming out of Seattle.

Starbucks CEO Kevin Johnson, who succeeded Howard Schultz as CEO in 2017, has decided to retire. But Starbucks has no successor waiting in the wings. Instead, and to Jim Cramer's surprise, the company says it's bringing back Howard Schultz on an interim basis. I find it extraordinarily quizzical and can draw no conclusions other than the fact that the idea that Howard Schultz coming back

He's confused. Why? After Starbucks had a year notice of Johnson's departure, it doesn't have a better succession plan already in place. It's just three months after Starbucks executives shuffled off from Buffalo, having lost in a union shutdown for the first time. Since then, four more Starbucks stores all in the Buffalo area voted to unionize. And while that has Starbucks brass rattled, there is some good news for the company's bottom line.

In the first quarter of 2022, Starbucks posts a 13% increase in same-store sales year over year, and first-quarter revenues top $8 billion. It's not all good news, though. Sales are slumping in China. But in the U.S., customers are spending about 3% more per visit. That might be thanks to the growing popularity of a particular drink, Starbucks' iced brown sugar oat milk shake and espresso.

A grande version of that drink will set you back six bucks. That's good for Starbucks' bottom line, but how long can consumers stomach those high prices? Well, that's another question. It's April 2022 in Seattle. Howard Schultz boards a company jet. It's just days after his return as CEO, and he's told the board he'll serve just 12 months.

The clock is ticking. Schultz flies into action. On the corporate jet, he hopscotches across the country to meet with baristas and other workers. He's hoping to talk them out of unionizing. That won't be easy. Starbucks store workers have been ground down by the pandemic. Declared essential workers, they wore masks while making macchiatos for the masses.

But neither the company nor its customers seemed to fully appreciate how difficult that would be. Remember how poorly some flight attendants were treated by travelers during the pandemic? Some passengers got aggressive. Punches were thrown. Well, the same kind of thing happened at Starbucks. In North Carolina, after the store instituted a mandatory mask policy for all workers and customers in July 2020, customers became so irate that a barista called the cops.

In New York, a customer threw hand sanitizer at a store manager. In Louisiana, a customer dumped a cappuccino on a barista's head. Schultz hears all about those tense moments as he touches down in places like Nashville, Phoenix, Chicago. He also gets an earful about the supply chain shortages that have left many Starbucks stores without basic ingredients and with broken equipment that's not getting repaired. In return, Schultz offers an apology.

Starbucks, he says, didn't do enough to care for workers during the pandemic. He promises change. And he asks his employees to give him a chance to deliver. It's April 2022 in Long Beach, California. Starbucks corporate jet lands at Doherty Field. Schultz, a fit and active 68-year-old, bounds down the air stairs and heads to an office building near the airport grounds. There, he meets with 20 workers from a handful of Starbucks stores where unionization is being considered.

The lights are dimmed to begin the meeting. A video plays showing Schultz leading a town hall of Starbucks executives in Seattle. And in that video, Schultz talks about the threat he now sees from unionization. We can't ignore what is happening in the country as it relates to companies throughout the country being assaulted in many ways by the threat of unionization. The lights come up. A group discussion begins.

Tensions mount. One of the workers brings up complaints filed against Starbucks by the United States National Labor Relations Board. The complaints allege that Starbucks harassed and fired pro-union workers. Schultz, sitting at the back of the room, then recounts his personal story. The same one he told back in Buffalo about growing up poor and vowing to create an empathetic company.

But one pro-union barista interrupts with a long list of complaints. Among those complaints, that Starbucks benefits aren't as good as Schultz often makes them out to be, that the company isn't being transparent about how it has pushed back against unions, and that federal officials are looking into allegations the company has illegally harassed and fired pro-union workers. Schultz loses his patience. Look, if you're not happy at Starbucks, you can go work for another company.

The barista takes that as a threat. And although Schultz doesn't know it yet, Schultz's outburst may have just violated federal law. It's late April 2022 in Seattle. At Starbucks headquarters, a group of top executives gathers in front of cameras. They're about to broadcast live to Starbucks store managers across the country. The executives take seats in front of the cameras.

Howard Schultz sits down and smooths out his black sweater. There are four white stripes on one shoulder, a nautical look. That might have been a fashion faux pas. Schultz and his executive team are here to talk about the danger they see from unions. And Schultz, as many Starbucks workers know, happens to be a billionaire who just so happens to own a 252-foot-long, $130 million superyacht.

With a crew of 18 and enough bedrooms to sleep 12, Schultz's yacht is the kind of thing a James Bond villain might sail around in. But Schultz says the unions are the villain in Starbuck's story. There is an outside force that is trying to disrupt the future of our company.

The solution, Schultz says, is to reinvent Starbucks, making it strong enough to repel the union invaders. We are going to co-create and together reimagine the future of the company. Now, what does that mean? Well, it means that we have to reimagine the customer experience, the partner experience, the third place experience. We have to reimagine mobile order and pay, the drive-thru. We have a lot of work to do.

Now, listeners, did you catch that bit near the end? The part where Schultz talked about the third place experience? It's worth taking a second to explain that. The third place is a concept first designed by a sociology professor in 1989. According to the theory, third places are public gathering spots where people of all sorts of occupations, viewpoints, and socioeconomic statuses can come together.

Schultz cribbed that theory and applied it to Starbucks in the 1990s, and it's been central to his vision ever since. Initially, Schultz's third place was infused with the smell of brewing beans, the whirring sounds of burr grinders, the kinds of caffeinated drinks that had long been popular in Italy but were new to many Americans. You remember those early days?

Well, now that there's a Starbucks on every corner, it's pretty easy to forget just how unusual it was to have a place in town that specialized in coffee. I mean, how many still remember what it was like the first time entering a Starbucks? It wasn't just about the java, right? It was the vibe. The sense of something special, maybe a bit uptown, a place that somehow transcended the everyday, right? Even the sizes, medium, large, oh, don't you mean grande or venti?

That whole idea took off in the 1990s. In 1992, Starbucks began a string of 190 consecutive months where same-store sales went up. The company had just 165 locations, all in the U.S. that year. It's got 15,000 nowadays, all over the world. Starbucks took off at the same time another Seattle cultural movement, grunge music, was on the rise.

But where grunge could be navel-gazing and angry, Starbucks was considered communal and welcoming. The stores were designed to encourage lingering, chatting with friends. Oh, right, friends. That TV show debuted in 1994, and you probably know where much of the action took place, right? New York coffee shop called Central Perk. There, Monica, Phoebe, Ross, Joey, and Chandler all drank coffee from big mugs.

Her pal Rachel was their waitress, though she wasn't always happy about that. Everyone I know is either getting married or getting pregnant or getting promoted, and I'm getting coffee, and it's not even for me. Starbucks stores weren't quite as cozy as Central Perk. Schultz had them designed with dark woods and packed them with chairs and couches. The stores targeted a customer who was a little swankier than someone who'd buy their cup of joe at the local diner.

Then, as now, Starbucks pricing was premium level. But baristas got to know customers by name, even if they might have spelled those names wrong when scribbling them on the side of a to-go cup. But culture should be more than a feel-good brand statement. It's a business asset. If you build a company on values, well, people expect you to live by them. If you don't, your customers and employees will hold you accountable.

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Those cozy leather armchairs that were once a given, they've been taken out in many places. And the seating options have grown less plentiful. That's in part because more customers have been grabbing and going from Starbucks, including the drive-thru lane, rather than lingering. And the pandemic only accelerated those changes.

Back in 2021, when health officials and lawmakers decided that third places like Starbucks were great places to spread COVID-19, Starbucks started removing couches and chairs entirely. They also 86'd the self-serve coffee bar where patrons could add their own milk and sugars. Months after the worst of the pandemic is over, many Starbucks stores still seem cold and uninviting.

But that's not the case for the store that Howard Schultz has just walked into in Washington, D.C. And that's because he's entered a so-called community store. Starbucks created community stores in 2011. That was during Schultz's second go-round as CEO. These community stores were first rolled out in Harlem, New York, and Crenshaw, Los Angeles. They're designed to, as Starbucks puts it, reflect and embrace the individual culture, character, and needs of each of these neighborhoods.

Like with Harlem and Crenshaw, the D.C. neighborhood that Schultz is in today, called Anacostia, has a population that is mostly black. Schultz takes a moment to pose in front of a massive mural that depicts Frederick Douglass, who was born into slavery in nearby Maryland. Community stores to Schultz are a sign of the positive impact his company can have on communities and on workers' lives. He's always seen himself as one of the good guys of capitalism.

Schultz believes he's on a mission to prove that making money doesn't have to come at the cost of doing good. Or at least that's what Schultz says later that day when he attends a live onstage interview in downtown D.C. Eventually, Schultz digs into the union issue. Now, I've said publicly I'm not anti-union, but the history of unions. And we have to talk about this. The history of unions is based on the fact that companies in the 40s, 50s, and 60s abused their people.

The sweeping issue in the country is that businesses are not doing enough and the business is the enemy. And so our vision for our people and our company is we have a different vision. We don't believe that a third party should lead our people. And so we are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our people. Maybe we should take a little coffee break here to mull over what's going on at this moment in 2022 with Starbucks and Schultz. You know, there's something in business called the founder's curse.

And at Starbucks, Howard Schultz returned not once, not twice, but three times to save the company. But on each of those three returns, Schultz has struggled to adapt to a changing landscape, particularly when it comes to workers' rights. The final round saw him make big strategic missteps, like dismissing union concerns with an if-you-don't-like-it-leave attitude, which only fueled the opposition. Here's the thing.

Founders often see their companies as their personal legacies, but that attachment can cloud decision-making. There's a time to step away and let new leadership take over. Trusting fresh perspectives can be the key to long-term success. But what does it take to let go? Well, in the case of Howard Schultz, we are about to find out. It's July 2022 in Seattle.

200 Starbucks executives have gathered in an auditorium on Starbucks' corporate campus. Howard Schultz is here to address the group, but first he has the lights dimmed. An audio track plays. It's the voices of Starbucks workers from around the country. My last three shifts, I've cried. We're stressed out at work. We're stressed out at home. I was told by a customer that I was a disgrace to my heritage. Schultz walks on stage and sits in a plush chair as the lights come up.

He's usually got the gift of gab, but now Schultz finds himself struggling to speak. He's emotional about what's happening in Starbucks stores. Unions have gotten a foothold in his company, Schultz believes, because Starbucks hasn't been good enough to its workers, its partners. Schultz puts his arms on his knees and slumps his shoulders. He bends his head and stares at the ground. Finally, he chokes out some words.

As time marches forward, Starbucks and a union called Starbucks Workers United, an offshoot of the 80,000 member service employees international union, dig into opposite trenches.

As more than 200 Starbucks stores unionize, the union accuses Starbucks of firing 120 pro-union workers all across the country. The company fires back, accusing the union of hiring paid activists to rabble-rouse in its stores. The conflict, though, is set against a mostly rosy picture for Starbucks. To be sure, the picture remains bleak in China, where COVID-19 lockdowns cratered Starbucks' business,

But elsewhere, Starbucks is soaring. The company's quarterly revenues hit a record high of $8.2 billion, even as Starbucks opens 318 new stores. In fact, in North America, customers are spending 8% more on an average visit. Schultz may be in a hurry to battle back against the union forces, but he's certainly got plenty of financial ammunition to sustain the fight. And he's also just landed a new recruit.

who may be able to help. It's September 2022 in Seattle. Live on CNBC's morning show Squawk Box, Howard Schultz is ready to make some news. He's hired an executive to replace him as CEO, eventually. Schultz pulls up a bar stool in front of CNBC's cameras. He smooths out his navy blue jacket as he takes a seat in what may be the nicest Starbucks anywhere in the world.

The store is a Starbucks reserve shop, a gleaming ideal of Schultz's third-place concept. Here, coffee is brewed in copper fixtures. There's also a bar serving Italian-style cocktails infused with bittersweet liqueurs. Above Schultz's head is a soaring, undulating wood ceiling. That's supposed to evoke the mountainous landscapes where coffee's grown.

There's also freshly baked pastries, breads and pizzas. And behind Schultz, a gas fire flickers inside a conical fireplace. Sitting next to Schultz is Laxman Narasimhan, an Indian-born executive who's worked at PepsiCo, among other places. Narasimhan ticks some of the right boxes for Schultz. Chiefly, he understands the global markets that Starbucks is rapidly expanding into.

That includes China, where Starbucks is hoping to open one new store every nine hours. But Narasimhan won't oversee the work in China, or anything else at Starbucks, for months. As he explains to CNBC, Schultz will still be the boss, and Narasimhan will be his trainee. Essentially, I'm a sitting CEO, but as of October 1st,

I have no P&L, I have no budget, I have no people reporting to me. It's actually a very liberating experience in so many ways. And it's a unique opportunity for me to apprentice very close to an iconic founder in an iconic company with an iconic brand. Sounds like a great gig, doesn't it? No responsibilities, CEO and waiting?

Not exactly typical in corporate America, but Schultz wants his number one draft pick to bulk up on Starbucks' culture before he hands off the company. Which really makes you wonder, is Schultz truly ready to retire from Starbucks for good, or will he make another comeback like he did in 2022 and in 2008?

Schultz has what seems like a definitive answer to that. I am never coming back again because we found the right person. But the ambition of Starbucks is much grander than ever before. Also, in 2008 when I did come back, Starbucks was in a much different position. We did not have demand in our stores. We have record demand today. Laxman's coming in with the wind that is back. Trouble is, that wind won't stay at Narasimhan's back for long.

And when it starts to die down, Narasimhan will find that instead of the wind being at his back, he's got Schultz on his back for leading Starbucks astray.

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Schultz talks about the company's failure to adapt to a changing marketplace during the financial crisis of 2008. He says hubris on the part of an executive team who were convinced they could do no wrong was part of the big problem in 2008. He also says there are parallels between 2008 and the current moment, but during the height of the pandemic and now.

Schultz says that Starbucks has lost its way and suffered from self-induced mistakes. Schultz doesn't elaborate on what those mistakes were. But outside of the event, striking Starbucks workers have formed a picket line to protest for better working conditions and pay, and to protest what they see as an aggressive union-busting campaign.

Workers are complaining about the complexity of Starbucks' menu. With so many drinks and food options, wait times for customers have spiked. And customers' endless customizations aren't helping, especially on the cold drinks that now make up as much as 75% of Starbucks' orders.

And those cold drinks are getting ever more popular as TikTok users spread the word about their favorite orders. I got a venti cold brew with vanilla sweet cream, cold foam, four pumps, or no, five pumps of toffee nut syrup and sweet cream on the top, vanilla sweet cream to be exact. And then I got light ice and it is so good. It is like...

That kind of order leads stand-up comedian Bill Engvall to avoid Starbucks, as he tells an audience. And the other reason I don't want to go anymore is because my wife will not just order a coffee. Oh, my God. It's like this chemistry lab experiment. But Schultz has an experiment of his own. To take pressure off workers and to break the bottlenecks that are slowing down service, Schultz asks Starbucks engineers, that's their literal title, engineers, to revamp Starbucks' kitchens.

This revamp is called the Siren System. It includes millions of dollars worth of new gadgets that are supposed to transform kitchens originally designed for mostly hot drinks into kitchens made for cold coffees. The company promises the Siren System will mean less work for baristas and will put a mocha frappuccino in your hands 50 seconds faster than with the old system. The only problem is the new kitchens won't be installed nationwide for...

Two, maybe three more years. And that's a recipe for trouble with Starbucks' unionizing baristas. It's November 2022 in Houston, Texas. In a Starbucks store, laxman Nara Simmons high-fives a barista. While Starbucks' service issues are spreading and the union movement growing, Nara Simmons has been taking a four-week training course to become a barista. To fellow co-workers, the incoming CEO says, call me lax.

Hopping from Houston to New York to Seattle for his training, Narasimhan takes drive-thru orders for tall white mochas. He explains to a customer he can't make a specific kind of drink because the stores run out of cinnamon dulce syrup. He shakes pumpkin spice onto the top of a latte, and he learns how to pull perfect shots at the espresso bar.

Narasimhan makes a few mistakes, too. He nearly burns himself while toasting a sausage biscuit, spills ice on the floor, and he hands a drive-thru customer a ceramic mug, the kind reserved for sit-down guests. At the end of his first four weeks at Starbucks, Narasimhan is presented with his very own green apron. He's now a certified barista. But can he be a better CEO than Howard Schultz?

The answer to that question may lie in a new kind of Starbucks concoction. It's a $450 million transformation that, days after Narasimhan gets his green apron, is outlined for investors in New York. The transformation is called the triple shot reinvention with two pumps. What, no half-calf?

The SIREN system is part of the Triple Shot reinvention. Its two pumps stand for becoming more efficient and for improving relations with Starbucks partner employees. That's why the plan includes big investments in new equipment that is supposed to boost efficiency in stores. It's March 2023 in Washington, D.C.

Just days into Laxman Nera Simmons' tenure as Starbucks CEO, and just days after workers at 100 Starbucks stores go on strike, Howard Schultz is called to testify before a U.S. Senate committee. The title of the hearing? Examining the Need to End Illegal Union Busting at Starbucks. Schultz isn't on the company's payroll anymore, and yet he's the face of Starbucks before a partly hostile committee that's led by Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders.

Sanders peppers Schultz with a combative line of questioning. Are you aware that NLRB judges have ruled that Starbucks violated federal labor law over 100 times during the past 18 months? Far more than any other corporation in America. Sir, Starbucks Coffee Company unequivocally, and let me set the tone for this very early on, has not broken the law. Okay.

Are you aware that on March 1st, 2023, an administrative law judge found Starbucks guilty of, quote, egregious and widespread misconduct, end quote, widespread coercive behavior, end quote?

Tensions mount from there.

When Massachusetts Democrat Senator Ed Markey gets his turn to question Schultz, he talks about Schultz's father. Markey is telling the same story Schultz told to Starbucks workers in Buffalo back in late 2021 about how Schultz's father was fired after getting hurt on a job, leading the Schultz family into poverty. Schultz had told those Buffalo workers that experience was a big reason why he's tried to treat Starbucks workers ethically and with empathy.

But Markey thinks the workers deserve something else, legal protections. These people are afraid that your company will lose its way again and that they need rights that don't just come from you, but come from the company. That's what they're looking for.

Workers should not be dependent upon you, Mr. Schultz, and your sense of right and wrong. They should be able to have laws, protections, unions that stand up for them every single day of the year. And that is something, I think, Mr. Schultz, that you just fundamentally don't understand. These workers are just like your father, and they have no rights. The room is silent. Schultz scowls and shakes his head.

He agitatedly fidgets with his fingers. Finally, he angrily addresses Markey. You don't understand, sir. My father was a World War II veteran, fought for this country in the South Pacific. You don't understand. I understand completely. Your father was... Can I finish, sir? Yes, sure. Your father served our country and then the company he worked for. Can I respond, Chairman? Yes, please. Okay. I don't understand.

Let me ask you a question since you cited the union as the answer. Is there a union contract that you personally are aware of that provides comprehensive health insurance, equity in the form of stock option, free college tuition,

Is there at $17.50 and an average of $27 with benefits? Are you aware of a union contract? Sir, answer the question. Of a union contract that has those benefits, sir? Mr. Schultz. Are you aware? Mr. Schultz, here's your testimony.

Looking back, it is clear that prior to my return last April, the company had lost its way. That it had fallen under the dangerous influence of Wall Street short-termism that I had

always tried to... I asked you a question, sir. You don't understand. Your testimony says that your own company lost its way, and it will lose its way again unless there's a union there to make it accountable. Thank you. Mr. Schultz. The exchange makes headlines. Schultz, who is a lifelong Democrat, is now at odds with the party. But he has a bigger problem. As Schultz steps out of his CEO role and Nara Simmons steps in,

Starbucks employees are in revolt, and customers are starting to question whether Starbucks is worth the weight they sometimes must endure, and the steep bill at the end of that weight. Even worse, a new competitor is brewing up a new kind of coffee chain that will challenge Starbucks' dominance. And this competitor knows a little something about doing things fast. You guessed it. McDonald's.

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