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Trump Gets Obliterated by Judge as Life Collapses

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Michael Popok: 法官Boasberg发布了一项命令,可能会让被秘密送往萨尔瓦多的250名非公民返回美国,因为他已确认这些人需要进行集体诉讼。特朗普政府故意在半夜将这些人送走,以避免联邦法院的监督和管辖,但他们很可能会回来,最高法院将不得不再次权衡此事。法官Boasberg发现美国在萨尔瓦多的监狱中拥有建设性的监管权,他没有被特朗普政府的诡计所迷惑,他们假装与萨尔瓦多没有任何关系,以确保这些人远离联邦管辖。法院的新命令是走向蔑视和另一项最高法院判决的下一步,很可能对唐纳德·特朗普不利。法官以卡夫卡的小说《审判》开篇,是为了揭示特朗普政府将这些人置于卡夫卡式世界中。委内瑞拉非公民于2025年3月15日被投入了类似于卡夫卡小说《审判》中的情境。法官之前已经裁定特朗普政府拒绝执行他要求停飞飞机并带回这些人的两项命令,可能构成刑事藐视罪。藐视法庭的命令正在上诉中,因此目前已被暂缓执行。最高法院已经裁定,即使是没有证件的非公民,也享有第五修正案规定的正当程序权利,可以到联邦法官面前申诉。如果他们被送到其他地方,他们有权被遣返回来,以便进行正当程序和通知程序。特朗普政府声称他们对这些人没有监管权和控制权,因为他们已经被送到了萨尔瓦多,现在是萨尔瓦多人和布克尔总统的事情。法官不相信特朗普政府的说法,并允许各方参与调查,以 выяснить 美国和萨尔瓦多之间的关系。法官意识到特朗普政府在玩弄这种关系,以将人们置于联邦法院管辖之外。法官将此事与美国《独立宣言》中的一项指控相提并论,即英国国王将殖民者带离殖民地和法院系统,并将他们送回英国。法官认为,法院面临着来自总统的新威胁,因为这位总统试图将我们的司法系统委托、转移和输出到不尊重法治的外国。法官最终宣布,特朗普政府与萨尔瓦多人在Seacott问题上的关系比特朗普希望你相信的要密切得多。美国继续对这些人拥有建设性的监管权。法院已经决定,由一组律师代表的250人集体诉讼是正确的做法。法院批准了关于Seat类别的集体诉讼认证,该类别包括所有在萨尔瓦多最高安全级别监狱中的250人。法院没有给予尚未离开该国的人集体诉讼认证,并命令特朗普政府协助他们返回。法院希望特朗普政府在一周内提供关于他们打算如何协助他们返回的通知。这与美国最高法院正在审理的关于联邦法官是否具有这种权力的全国性禁令不同,因为在这里,法官没有使用全国性禁令,而只是认证了一个由250人组成的类别,并在此基础上发布了一项命令。法官Boasberg表示,鉴于最高法院在过去一两个月做出的裁决,该法院最终同意CCOP原告可能会在他们的正当程序索赔中获得成功。他们被剥夺了在被简易驱逐之前寻求人身保护令救济的个人权利,这种权利本身不需要通过人身保护令申请来维护。最有趣的是看到这位法官如何努力约束特朗普政府,然后在实时中找到解决办法。特朗普政府不会遵守这一裁决,他们已经在攻击法官Boasberg,称他为左派、马克思主义者、激进分子。法官Boasberg是一位中间派、温和的民主党人,由两党任命,并受到首席大法官罗伯茨的保护和辩护,他还是卡瓦诺大法官在最高法院的室友。特朗普政府将重蹈Abrego Garcia案的覆辙,再次与灾难调情。他们将拒绝这一裁决,并向已经推翻了Boasberg过去所做裁决的上诉法院提起上诉。如果他们不喜欢这个结果,他们将向美国最高法院提出紧急申请。法官Boasberg签署了这项命令,再加上昨天法官Zinus的命令,特朗普在移民和正当程序问题上遭遇了巨大的连败。

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You know good things are going to follow. Judge Boasberg, chief judge of the D.C. court, federal court, has just issued an order. You might think, well, he issues a lot of orders against the Trump administration and immigration, but this one's different because now he has certified a class of those 250 men that were sent in the middle of the night from the U.S. to El Salvador without due process rights, without notice, without

With nothing, no habeas corpus rights, and purposely sent in the middle of the night by Donald Trump to avoid federal court supervision and jurisdiction, they're likely coming back. And the Supreme Court's going to have to weigh in it all over again because Judge Boasberg has just ruled...

that that class needs to be certified. He has found that there is constructive custody by the United States in those prisons in El Salvador. He's not falling for the ruse that he mentions in his decision, citing Kafka to start,

He's not falling for the federal court, for the Trump administration ruse that they're going to act like they don't have any relationship with El Salvador in order to make sure these people stay away from federal jurisdiction. He's not buying it. And this new order is the next step on the road to both contempt and another Supreme Court decision, likely against Donald Trump. I'm Michael Popak. You're here on Midas Touch Network. Let's get to the breaking news.

When I see Kafka, I get excited because the trial is one of my favorite books. And the reason that the judge starts from first word of his order with Kafka is to show you the Kafkaesque world that these people, human beings, were placed in by the Trump administration. Here's how he starts. Let me read to you from the actual decision, which we will post on Legal AF Substack as well.

One morning, Kafka's Joseph K. awakens to encounter two strange men outside his room.

As he gets his bearings, he realizes that he's under arrest. When he asks the strangers why, he receives no answer. We weren't sent to tell you that, one says. Proceedings are underway, and you'll learn everything in due course. Coming from the trial, bewildered by these men and distressed by their message, Kay tries to comfort himself that he lives in, quote, a state governed by law, one where all statutes are enforced. He therefore demands again, how can I be under arrest? And in this manner,

Now there you go again, the guard replies. We don't answer such questions. Undeterred, Kay offers his papers and demands their arrest warrant. Good heavens, the man scolds. There's been no mistake. Our department is only attached to guilt. It doesn't seek it out. That's the law. I don't know that law, Kay responds. You'll feel it eventually, the guard says.

He then compares it as such on page two of his order. Such was the situation into which Frangel Reyes Mota, Andre Jose Hernandez Romero, and scores of other Venezuelan non-citizens say they were plunged on March 15th of 2025. In the early morning hours, Venezuelans held by the Department of Homeland Security at El Valle Detention Center in Texas were awakened from their cells, taken to a separate room, shackled, and informed they were being transferred.

To where? They were not told. When asked, some guards reportedly laughed and said that they did not know. Others told the detainees incorrectly. They were being transferred to another immigration facility or Mexico or Venezuela. Eventually, they were shuttled onto buses to planes and loaded onto airplanes under one authority. And the judge continues. This judge knows this case well.

because he already ruled that the Trump administration has committed, likely committed, criminal contempt by refusing his two separate orders to ground those planes, turn them back around, and bring those people back to federal jurisdiction pronto.

Trump administration said no. They laughed at his face. They said they'll never return those planes, just like they'll never return a Brego Garcia without a fight and a contempt order. He found them in contempt for having violated both of his orders. That contempt order is up on appeal. So it's been stayed for now. So the lawyers doubled back to Judge

Boesberg and said, we got another way to do this. That's how crafty lawyers fighting for liberty, fighting for democracy are at the American Civil Liberties Union. And they ran to Boesberg and said, we got a better idea. The Supreme Court has already ruled 9-0 and in two more cases, 7-2 and 6-3, that everybody, even undocumented non-citizens, have due process Fifth Amendment rights under the habeas corpus body of law here in America,

to get before a federal judge here. And what if they're sent somewhere else than to have them returned in order to go through the due process and notice process? So they filed an amended suit with Judge Boasberg. They didn't give up

Even though the Supreme Court suggested they had to file individual habeas corpus petitions all around the country, they said, why can't we join them all together and put this 250 that have been sent to El Salvador in one class? And the Trump administration fought back and said, we don't have custody and control over those people. And the judges, what do you mean? They said, well, we dropped them off, but now they're the concern of the El Salvadorans and they're the concern of President Bukele. You mean you didn't get a receipt? Those are my words. When you drop them off in the middle of the night?

You're paying $6 million to house them. What is the contract? What is the relationship? How can you say you don't have joint custody over these people? You've said it's a tool in your tool bag. Why can't you get them back? The judge never believed it. He let the parties participate in discovery to find out what is the relationship between the United States and El Salvador. And he's conscious, the judge said, of the ruse.

that the Trump administration is playing fast and loose with that relationship, the true terms of it, in order to put people outside federal court jurisdiction. This is all the backdrop that's repeated and reported in this order. At one point, the judge in the order cites to the Declaration of Independence.

and says effectively that since 1776, when we separated from King George in our bill of complaint in the Declaration of Independence, we said one of them was you were taking colonists away from the colonies and away from the court system and sending them off back to England. Making the comparison, this is very similar to taking them away from federal jurisdiction and putting them in El Salvador.

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And the judge knows the case well. He goes through laboriously the details of the planes, the surreptitious absconding of these people, the kidnapping, if you will, the sending to a deep, dark gulag. And he says courts are facing a new threat by this president, in effect. We've never had a president that's tried to delegate and offload and export documents

our justice system to foreign countries that don't respect the rule of law and don't respect our rule of law. The judge finally declares after he goes through the record that the relationship between the Trump administration and the El Salvadorans about Seacott is much closer than Donald Trump would like you to believe.

that the United States continues to have constructive custody over these people. And even though the

Trump administration fights that characterization. The court has made those findings. And therefore, having made those findings, they have also decided that the writ of habeas corpus pursued by a class action of joining all 250 people together represented by one set of lawyers is the right way to go. And at the end of the order, the judge says the following. I'm going to read to you from a couple of pages of it in a minute. But the judge says the following.

that the motion for class certification as to the Seat class, that's all 250 that are in that El Salvadorian maximum security prison is granted.

There's one group that he didn't give class certification to. Those are people that haven't yet left the country. He's really focused on the due process rights of people that have left the country. And he's ordering, much like Judge Zinnes, that they, the Trump administration, facilitate their return. That's a new word. That's a term of art now that the Supreme Court has defined. You must facilitate the release from those jails and to bring them back. And he wants within one week's time, one week from yesterday,

He wants the Trump administration, he's ordered them to provide notice about how they intend to facilitate that ability. Now, this is different than the nationwide injunctions that are up at the United States Supreme Court about whether federal judges have that power. This is different than that because here he's not using a nationwide injunction. He's just certifying a class of 250 and he's doing an order on top of it. And that's different. But it's still driving the Trump administration batty, still driving them up the wall.

Let me just read from one aspect of this besides the Kafka references. On page four, Judge Boasberg says, in light of the Supreme Court rulings that happened over the last month or two, this court ultimately agrees that the CCOP plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits of their due process claims.

They were deprived of their individual rights to seek habeas relief before their summary removal, a right that need not itself be vindicated through a habeas petition. So he's also allowing Fifth Amendment attacks other than through habeas corpus as well. But the part that I found most interesting is just watching this judge both struggle with how to restrain the Trump administration and then figuring it out in real time, pursuant to his 69 pages.

and doing it in such an artful way. What's going to happen now? Trump administration is not going to abide by this. They're already attacking Judge Boasberg, Jeb Boasberg. They're already saying he's a leftist, Marxist, radicalist. He's none of those things. He's a middle of the road, moderate Democrat who was also, or democratically appointed. He was also appointed by Republicans, who was appointed by Justice Roberts, who was protected by Justice Roberts recently and defended by him, who was the roommate of Justice Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.

He picked the wrong fight with the wrong guy, if you know what I mean. But he's going to, the Trump administration is going to do what they did in the Abrego Garcia case. They're going to flirt with disaster again. They're going to throw rocks at a prison to try to get themselves inside of it.

they are going to refuse this. Take it up on appeal to the Court of Appeals, who already overturned a part of what Boasberg had done in the past. So maybe it'll take a shot to try to get it to happen again. If they don't like that result, here comes number 20, emergency application to the United States Supreme Court. But it starts here and it starts now with Judge Boasberg signing his name to this order along with Judge Zinus yesterday. One-two punch, you put them all together and what do you got?

You got Donald Trump on a tremendous losing streak when it comes to immigration combined with due process. We'll follow it all right here on the Midas Touch Network. While you're here, hit the subscribe button for Midas Touch. Go over to Legal AF, the YouTube channel. Hit the subscribe button for that as well. And we got a new Legal AF sub stack you're going to love because I post these kind of cases there for you to read under Filings AF. So until my next report, I'm Michael Popak.

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