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Trump Sabotaged by Musk in Court as They Screw Each Other

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Michael Popok: 特朗普和马斯克之间的公开冲突以及马斯克可能在法庭上倒戈,对特朗普不利。马斯克作为被告或关键证人,其证词对特朗普的案件至关重要,而马斯克立场的转变可能会影响案件结果。纽约州总检察长领导的诉讼指控特朗普非法任命马斯克,如果指控成立,马斯克在此期间的行为可能无效。如果马斯克的任命被认定为非法,那么他在职期间所做的一切都可能被视为无效。马斯克不再受特朗普控制,这对相关案件的审判具有重要意义。马斯克公开指责特朗普与爱泼斯坦有关联,这表明他不太可能在宣誓作证时偏袒特朗普。马斯克不太可能与特朗普的律师合作准备证词,因为他已经公开批评了特朗普,甚至声称自己“买”了总统职位。马斯克似乎又回到了民主党的立场,他对案件的影响不可低估。如果马斯克继续以个人利益为先,可能会导致特朗普在多起重大案件中败诉,从而推翻他之前的政策。如果证明美国人民的隐私权受到侵犯,并且马斯克没有得到参议院的适当任命和确认,那么他所做的一切都将消失。特朗普政府对马斯克的行为感到担忧,因为他可能成为不利的证人。特朗普承认他和马斯克的关系已经破裂。马斯克现在对特朗普不利,原告律师们正在积极准备利用这一机会。计划安排马斯克作证,预计特朗普政府会试图以行政特权来阻止,但马斯克可能不愿配合,这对于原告律师来说是天赐良机。当前雇员与公司存在重大分歧时,公司会试图通过各种方式将其拉拢回来。公司可以通过金钱、非竞争协议、保密协议等方式来控制离职员工,但马斯克不受这些约束。马斯克现在就像一个可以随意发声的前内部人士,这对审判律师来说是梦寐以求的。马斯克在社交媒体上的言论可以被视为一种告密行为,我将继续关注并分析这些言论与其他案件的关联。

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The fallout between Donald Trump and Elon Musk has significant implications for the numerous lawsuits against Trump. Musk's potential testimony as a hostile witness could severely damage Trump's defense. This chapter analyzes the impact of this unexpected shift in their relationship on the ongoing legal battles.
  • Trump and Musk's public feud
  • Musk as a potential hostile witness in over a dozen lawsuits
  • Impact on Trump's legal strategy
  • Potential consequences of Musk's testimony

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He who rides the tiger fears the dismount. If you had Musk firing Trump on your bingo card, you won. I thought what just happened last week with Donald Trump having a major falling out with the hand that fed him, the Federalist Society and Leonard Leo was bad for Donald Trump's future political fortunes and for his attempt to shove his policies down our throat. But now we have all in all

out and out warfare, as you have you've heard before between Donald Trump and Elon Musk. But I want to take it on this particular hot take on the Midas Touch Network from a different angle, from a law and politics angle, from a litigation angle, the more than a dozen lawsuits that are out there and what Elon Musk jumping off sides.

and firing Donald Trump means in the courtroom. Because just because you've had a little bit of a spat in public in which one guy says you're not grateful enough for having bought you the presidency and the guy that's the president saying that you're an ingrate that can't be trusted. And now you've got

cancellation of contracts being threatened and Elon Musk went there on the Epstein, the Jeffrey Epstein files. Go see the Midas Touch video that's up related to that.

That doesn't change the fact that Elon Musk is a defendant in several cases, almost a dozen of them. And if he's not a defendant, Doge is, and his testimony will be critical to any attempt by Donald Trump to win. Let's just talk about what a rogue witness, a rogue party, the impact it has on a case and what it will do to buoy the fortunes in the dozen cases.

There is a major case, for instance, in front of Judge Chutkin, in which more than a dozen attorneys general led by Letitia James of New York have sued claiming that Donald Trump violated the appointments clause by improperly and not appointing Elon Musk the right way to a major position that should have been appointed and confirmed by the Senate if they're right.

And Judge Chutkan has refused to dismiss that lawsuit and has refused to dismiss Elon Musk from that lawsuit, although she did kick Donald Trump to the curb personally.

If they're right, everything that Elon Musk did, everything that Donald Trump did through Elon Musk, all of those departments that were put in the wood chipper, all of the defunding of our public agencies, all of the defunding of humanitarian aid, all of the elimination of entire agencies and departments that are connected to the American people, all is found to be ab initio, void.

illegal, has to be undone and unwound, the toothpaste shoved back into the tube. Now just think for a moment, and I'm going to do it from a trial lawyer perspective, just think for a moment what an Elon Musk no longer under the greasy thumb of Donald Trump or vice versa means for these cases.

Does anybody now think that the guy that just went there in a social media post and accused Donald Trump effectively of being a pedophile, along with Jeffrey Epstein, is going to hold back when he is deposed and favor Donald Trump's side? How are you going to prepare that witness? I've prepared hundreds of witnesses for depositions, some of them quite difficult, to get them ready for their deposition. You're not going to be able to prepare Elon Musk to within an inch of his life for his deposition, for his sworn statement.

He probably won't even meet with Donald Trump's lawyers at the Department of Justice to be prepared for such a thing. This is a guy who not only went there calling effectively Donald Trump a pedophile, I mean, just putting up a picture of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein sort of does the trick. He's also claimed to have bought a president. He said, I basically bought you the presidency and the results against Kamala Harris. All right, he said that out loud. And is anybody shocked? Three days ago, he called the big, beautiful budget bill

An abomination that should be completely stricken, that's going to raise prices on the American people. He's suddenly back to the hymnal of the Democratic Party. Can't we adopt him in the draft? Can't we now take Elon Musk? He seems to be a free agent and available. But the impact on the cases cannot be understated.

If Elon Musk is going to now return to being Elon Musk who will say and do anything out loud in his own personal interest and doesn't care about the results, if that is true, then Donald Trump is going to lose a fair share of the 12 major cases against him, which is going to undo everything that they just did. I mean, it's hard to believe Elon Musk was only in the government for 120 days. Talk about maximum destruction.

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They asked Donald Trump during a press conference with the chancellor of Germany, what's going on with you and Musk? Well, we used to be friends, but I don't think so anymore. Right. Right. And if Elon Musk is now on the outside, you know, there's an old, slightly disgusting phrase about peeing in a tent.

You know, you'd want you want Elon Musk inside your tent peeing out, not outside the tent peeing in. And right now we're in a peeing in moment, ladies and gentlemen. And the plaintiff's lawyers, the attorneys general, the public interest groups, the ACLU, Democracy Forward and the rest have got because I would be have got to be chomping at the bit. This is payday and pay dirt. So here's what I do.

I schedule Elon Musk for deposition. You're then going to watch the Trump administration scramble to try to cover it with executive privilege. There's going to be a fight over privilege. Elon Musk is not at the current rate, not going to help with that fight. I want to talk. I don't want to be gagged. I'll post it on social media. You see where this is going. This is going to be manna from heaven for plaintiff's lawyers in the cases against the Trump administration.

This is why when you have a ex-employee, and I've done enough corporate litigation work to know that which I speak, when you have an ex-employee who's got a major ax to grind, you want to try to find ways to bring them back in and tether them to your side.

Sometimes that's done, if it's your corporation, with more money. Yeah, it looks like a bribe and it smells like a bribe. You can't do it at the time they're noticed for deposition. But you can find ways to hold them to a non-compete, to hold them to a non-disclosure agreement, to hold them to a confidentiality agreement. Musk doesn't have any of those things. There's no contract he signed with Donald Trump that's worth the paper that it's written on. He is the ultimate free agent.

And that is every trial lawyer's wet dream. The ex-insider who's now effectively become a whistleblower. Elon Musk, the whistleblower against his own actions. You cannot make this up. I'm going to continue to follow it. It's that good. It's that good.

Every day, every way that Elon Musk posts something on social media that accounts for me to be a whistleblowing activity. You're going to see me talking about it and fitting it into the jigsaw puzzle of all these other cases. Where do I do that? Two places. Midas Touch.com.

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