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Well, I'm 5'8". How do you think I feel? Put your wallet underneath both feet, man. I'll tell you. Exactly. So why don't you join the Steelers? That'd be great. Because he's on the Steelers now. I won't say that that it's not a possibility. Odell here? Nope, not here. Beckham? Yes, sir. Reporting as ordered.
How are you? Excuse my laugh. Okay, I'll make sure. Sports injury, which I'm sure you're familiar with. No, I never had any of those. You had worse. Although this, you wouldn't want this. It's called a mallet finger. Yeah. Happens in basketball. That's how I got it. The ball hits, you know, like straight on. And then it's like, I saw the doctor, he said, you'd be much better if you had broken the bone because it's the tendon. Yeah. Or mallet finger, I had a boot near the forehand. Boom, hit it just like this.
And they told me, keep it in a sling, it'll be straight. And was it? Yeah, I tried to keep it in a sling. And you're the one-hand catch guy of all the people. A few of them, yeah. I got to tell you, lifelong New York Giant fan. Yes, sir. I mean, literally learned it on my father's knee. I was a fan from like the inception of the team in the 20s.
My father, you know, he was a kid. So, like, I took him to the Super Bowl here in 86 when they played the Broncos when I couldn't even afford it. But it was important. So, like, your years with the Giants, thank you. Yeah. For great memories because that's my team. Definitely. And, you know. Me too. It was just like, it's crazy because it was a different time and age, right?
at the time and just, I'll never forget where I came from and then going to New York and how thick of skin I already had and how thick of skin, how much thicker of skin I grew. - 'Cause of New York? - Man, but I love New York forever for the rest of my life. - Yeah, I was gonna say, I mean, you've been with a few teams since then. It's gotta be tough, but it's gotta be tough
When you start in New York, because you're kind of, you know, it's, yeah, right. I mean, where you... Anywhere else you're going is never going to be there. Look, I grew up outside of New York, and that's why they're still my teams. You know, I was a part Met owner for a while. I mean, I'm all in on New York, but I've lived here for 40 years. I never really liked living in New York. Yeah. But I get it that it's the Mecca. If we're being honest, New York is...
You know what I mean? It's like, you can't, it's New York, like respect to New York. Right. Love LA is a different vibe. Yeah. But it's New York, bro. Like, and I, and it's so funny because when I was there, it was always like, I just started kind of going out to LA and I had never been to California or whatever. And it was like, man, to be like the LA would be something, but like to be the King of New York or to be, you know, legend in New York, it's completely different. And you were. Yeah.
I remember Chris Collinsworth, like, coming in his pants when you made that catch. I mean, the sperm almost came through the TV. It's like, shut the fuck up. I mean, you know, I mean, it was certainly... I didn't have anything to do with that. I didn't feel that, see that, nothing. I'm just saying, it is funny to me the way sportscasters...
You know, sports, the sport that's like super macho and there's nothing gay about it. And yet they're kind of gay the way, I mean, they just go gay for the players that they love. And, you know, I mean, look in the stands. You're wearing another man's shirt. Yeah. And nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying it's not quite the macho image that they think. But there's been a gay player now. Didn't somebody come out?
In recent years? A football player? There's a few, but it's like, you know what? I mean, the world is open. Like, you be who you are. Personally, I feel like this. Every man has to look at himself in the mirror. Everyone has to look at themselves in the mirror and be comfortable with themselves. Like, and I am who I am. It's something I kind of live by. If that's you, that's you, you know? And it's just like, I know that makes it difficult, and it's, especially in the sport of football, it's kind of like,
It's a tough cookie for people to, like, you know what I mean, get with. There's something about sports. I mean, obviously, it's just a bro thing and a guy thing, and there's still a lot of, I'm sure, Neanderthals and good old boys and also Christians. You know, that's a big thing, especially in the black community. I mean, you know, there's a lot of, you know, boy.
Ineligible man downfield. You don't want an eligible man downfield. Brother, everybody, listen. Free world we live in. I feel like at the end of the day, what else are we looking for in this lifetime but to fulfill ourselves and be happy? Are you? Me? Yeah. Oh, man.
I'm happy. You say it like throwing the glove down. Yeah, I'm glad you are. You know, and I'm still working on things. Why? What makes you happy these days? No, you're not with a team. Not with a team right now. So you don't care.
Or you do? I care a lot. You do? You still got stuff in the tank. I got shit that I got to prove. You can still get open. I promise you that. I like to stay under the radar right now because I'm trying to figure out my own life. It's like life hits at different times, and it's like real shit happens. And for me, having my son, just imagine you get to the pinnacle of your dream Super Bowl career,
I'm telling you, the game plan that McVeigh had drawn up and me, Coop, Stasher, everybody. I have to wear it. We know about it. You know? That's a great fucking attitude. That's great. That's like, you ever read The Art of War? He says, you know, keep the sword right behind you. But if you ever have to touch it, you've already lost. Come on. It's right there. It's right there. And it's just like.
It just, like, and obviously that's a touchy subject for me because it was, it's bittersweet. It's like, I went and joined that team. Yeah, and you made that great fucking catch and then got hurt, right? Yeah. It wasn't just that. It was the whole playoffs. It was the energy in the building. People don't know the whole dynamic of how...
Von Miller, J-Lynn, like the whole locker room. Like it was a, like that brotherhood thing is real. Like when you have guys who are really rocking with each other and I was, I came to a great team and I'll never forget. I came to that team. Funny story. Robert Woods, I'm walking on the practice field. I watched it. They were practicing hard. I was like, damn, they're practicing hard. Robert Woods. Robert Woods. Who is that again?
He was in L.A. Remind me, what position? Receiver. Robert Woods. Okay, so he played alongside you as receiver. He was in L.A. towards ACL. The day I was walking on the field, major part of their offense, went to Houston. He's had a great career. And it was like they were practicing hard, and it was just like the competitiveness was
I'll never forget two days, me signing, me having an ACL where people didn't even know. It took me 24 hours to sign the deal because Dr. Eletras came in. He was like, yeah, we have to let you know that you don't have ACL, MRI, blah, blah, blah. He's like, we can redo your surgery or you can play with it. And I was like, I'm going to die on the sword. I've come too far.
I've been through two months. And you may not ever get there again. I'm ready to go. This is when I was just leaving the Cleveland situation that happened. But anyway, signed over there. And I'll never forget, like week after week, Dr. L. Charles was like, that is my family now. McFay, the whole like family. Did he do the one who did Aaron Rodgers too? I don't know, but he's Dr. L. Charles' man. He's the man.
Shout out to Doc. He really is the man. He's a good dude, good family, beautiful family. So he fixed your foot? My knee. Your knee. My foot was in New York. That's another story. Well, you got to bring your foot when you get traded. You can't leave your foot in New York. I mean, come on. You're an athlete. The foot is what started everything, and it's so crazy that people really don't even know this story. It's like my doctor...
Dave Hancock, I'll never forget this. He was like, mate, this is the type of injury that will ruin people's careers. I've seen it happen multiple times. He's worked with multiple sports teams, Chelsea, the whoever's all over in Europe. He's a soccer player. And he's like, what you're having done, like grade two high ankle sprain, what it could turn into is really bad. And I came back three or four weeks too early. I'll never forget. We had to sit out. I had to sit out the first week of Dallas.
at Dallas, and Dallas beat us, and it was a division game, and I was feeling all the pressure, and I was like, I got to come back for my team. We had week two against the Lions, and it was a Monday night game, and it was like, I know I'm not really ready, but I can't see us going 0-2 and starting off in a bad way. Like, I got to try and find a way to get back for my team. I never understand how athletes can play when they're
Not at 100% because the nature of elite athletes and professional sports, the reason why we watch them is because, I mean, everybody on the field, like when they were in grade school, high school, they were like way, way, way above all the other kids as far as how good they were. I'm sure you were too. Right.
And then they get to college. And if you can still be like elite, but even a lot of great college players go to the pros. I've seen enough episodes of hard knocks to know that the coach is like, it's just faster up here. Everything is just faster. And this guy was great in college. And we cut him in three days. So like considering that you have to be on that much weight,
of a razor's edge level just to be that much above, better than the guy you're playing against. I don't know how you can do it when you're nursing an injury. It's just, it's like the heart. It's like the heart of who you are. And for me, God had already blessed me with the parents that I have. Like, I come from
Dad was an all-world running back, supposed to back up Barry Sanders. Went, instead of staying in Texas, decided to go to LSU. My mom was all-world track and field. Went to the 92 Barcelona Olympics, pregnant, came in fifth place or fourth or fifth or whatever, so she didn't qualify, but she had a drug test and she found out she was pregnant. That's why I'm a little thrown off, honestly, because I'm four or five months pregnant and she's running. Yeah.
Is that right? Yeah, that's why I'm a little, you know, I have my issues myself. And you think that's because your mother was jostling you when you were in the womb, huh? She was running too fast. So you were just like... Yeah, I was just, you know, I just... Right. But my mom had abs. Well, my mom drank, because that's what women in the 1950s did. She drank and smoked. I think they were okay. Listen...
Listen, we all came out okay. Well, you know who else is? Maybe your mother knows her. Probably she does. Shea Gilgis Alexander. His mother was an Olympian. Wow. Did you know that? I actually didn't know that. Yeah, Gilgis. I guess she married a guy named Alexander, but that's his heritage. That's fire. Yeah. You should call him on that. It's his time. Because I bet you guys would relate. He's like...
Yeah. He's just in his era. He's a good man. He's a good father, husband. I don't know his situation, but he seems like a good dude, and he's just focused. But let's not pretend you have to be a father and a husband to be a good man, right? We're men, bro. I know, but I've never been married or had kids, so I can still be a good man, right? We are who we are. That's who I am. Yeah.
If I can look myself in the mirror, I can accept my flaws for who I am. Yeah, but that's not a flaw. That's just a choice, right? Yeah. I mean, you're not married. No, I'm not married. Well, there you go. You know? Do you want to be?
Who knows? Maybe... I bet you if you did, you would. I'm sure lots of ladies would say yes. If it happens, it happens, you know? But it's just... What do you mean? Well, it happens if you say, will you marry me? No, but... Now, don't clip that and look like I'm asking him to marry me, please. Yeah, definitely. I don't know if you're doing that, but my knee hurts right now. I don't know if I can get down on there right now. What a good excuse. But at some point, you know...
It just is about where you're at in your life. Everything is about... Don't do it, man. Life's... Life's the ebbs and the flows. Flow and go. That's it. As an athlete, I mean, even in the off-season, you can't really go buck wild with partying, right? But I'm saying why, though. At the end of the day, you work hard, you play hard. I was gifted with an ability
And not everyone was gifted with that ability. No. It's for you. It's life. Everything is about balance. How can you moderate? Everything in moderation is good, you know? So as far as do you drink, do you whatever, bro. But obviously you keep yourself in pristine shape because you still want to play. You're an iconic player.
figure in the sport and you know I can't believe that some team isn't going to be I don't know who you would fit with but like if you still have the passion and think you can do it I'm sure you know my boy Aaron Rodgers who I love sat there you are too good at this I'm going to tell you this he was there I got too much pride I got too much
Since I was four or five years old, I've sacrificed too much to get to where I'm at. Yeah. To let anybody write my story off except for how I want to write it or how God's going to write it for me.
So four or five? That young? You thought you were going to do this when you were five? Long story short, I'll tell you a quick short story. My mom, four years old. I was in Atlanta, Georgia. My mom was a track coach at Georgia Tech. My stepdad was an Olympic gold medalist. The 96 Olympics was in Atlanta at the regional. I remember. This is like one of my first memories. Like one of my first things that I can remember. I was four years old. Wow.
My stepdad won a gold medal in the 96 Olympics. My mom was a 12-time All-American, 12-time, I don't know the numbers, but my mom was a beast. Like, my mom was the real deal. Right. And I just remember, you know, she went to Georgia Tech, Rice, Tulane, these, that. And she's at track practice coaching, and I'm on the pole vault pit.
throwing the football up to myself catching doing one hand catches doing catches at five diving bottom of my feet dirty as fuck you know what i mean like that was me like growing up uh matt forte could attest to it at two lane he was like he was always just working he was over there just like working like and uh four years old i remember it was snowing in atlanta always tell this story my mama came outside she looked around the house she couldn't find me she came outside she's like
You know, she cussed me out a little bit. But like, what are you doing out here? Like, I had no shirt, just my socks and shoes on, shorts, whatever, throwing the football to myself. And I told her, I was like, I'm practicing for Sundays. And she was like, I said it with so much conviction. She was like, I had no choice but to push you to be me.
who you were. Like, it was just built in. And she did push you. I gave up the weekends. I gave up every weekend we were in Biloxi, Mississippi, this, that, for a soccer tournament, or this, that, for a basketball, or this. Like, I was, sports was everything for me. Like,
Like I was always kids want to be playing sports. I mean, I played sports every weekend. Also, they just weren't in like tournaments. It was my backyard, but it was what I wanted. You must not have had it must have been actually fun for you. No, no. Too much pressure. No, for me, it was different. Like I could stand on this and it is what it is because, you know, we could all do if it was a but like, you know, take injuries aside, like as far as athletes in the world.
With God and my mom, my pops, everybody, whatever happened to me, I was one of those athletes in the world that could go from playing a multitude of sports. Go take the LeBrons and all, you know what I mean? Like everybody. Baseball? Whatever. You could have played baseball, you think? Whatever. You could have? Whatever I would have chosen, I would have been great at. I just, it was in me.
I have that ability. Yeah, that makes sense. It just wasn't. Would I have been as good of a baseball player as I would have been a football player? I don't know. Would I have been as good as football? You never know. Soccer was really my first sport. I was supposed to join the U.S. national team when I was like 13. A couple of my coaches were from Trinidad and Tobago. We used to have this AAU league. I remember growing up how we grew up, I just could never imagine football.
Ma, like, we got to move to London and Paris and, like, you know, like, how are we going to pay the bills? How are we going to chase, like, a dream that we don't know is going to work out? And it's just like football for me was just an easier thing, like,
I just knew I would make it. And basketball was there. I'll never forget. The only way I was playing basketball is if I went to UNC because Roy Williams' camp wanted to be like my... I only wanted to play at UNC basketball. That was it. And I went to the camp. I won MVP in whatever grade it was. I'll never forget having the white Kobe Mambas on. I...
I'm like that. You know what I'm saying? So what are these things that you think you've given up so much? Okay, so your weekends when you were a kid. That's a lot because kids need free time. But what else? But it wasn't bad to me, though. Then when it wasn't bad, it was like I was doing what I loved. But I'm looking back on it now and it's like,
Are you every weekend traveling somewhere to go do this? When you're actually doing it, I mean like when you're with the Giants or the Browns or the Rams or whatever.
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Loved the Ravens? Loved every single one. Who was your favorite quarterback ever? What a good question. It's a tough question because there's so many different facets. There wasn't a quarterback that I didn't not like. Obviously, Eli went to his high school. And every Friday when I grew up in New Orleans, I used to be like, what is going on? There's some loud noises going on. Like really a movie.
Literally, watch this. I'm talking about, I lived right here. There was a gate right here. I used to walk to the gate and watch the football game. And this is Isidore Newman. And I didn't know nothing about it. Who's that? Isidore Newman. Eli, Peyton Manning. Yeah, Archie Manning, the father, the paterfamilias of Eli and Peyton. Yeah, he played for... Who did he play for in the pros? The Oilers? No. Somebody like that. But yeah, I mean, he was...
And now the kid. Don't they have a kid now who's coming up? Arch? Yeah. You know? I mean, DNA. I'm talking about 100 feet. I'm talking about one football field, maybe two football fields max. I lived right there. Do you think that was destiny that you wound up catching his passes? I don't know.
It just happened to work out. But it was just like, it literally could be a movie. I remember walking up to the fence and I was watching and I was like, I want to play here. You know what I mean? I had no idea of anything.
Because growing up in New Orleans, it would have either been Newman or St. Aug. You have a very sophisticated, mature attitude for someone who's 32. Because I remember being 32, and I didn't. Yeah. I didn't. I've been through, I think I've done, my 22 through 32 was a 20 through 40 attitude.
with what I had to go through and experience and all those things. And yet, I still have a lot to learn. And yet, I'm still someone who wants to learn. Like when someone like me sits down and has a conversation, I want to learn. That's the most important thing. I'm not somebody who, oh, I think I know it. No, no, no. That is the best. I want to learn. I am the same way. Absolutely. Somebody younger than me could teach me something. I doubt it. But my favorite three words are, I don't know.
Because every time I say that, somebody tells me something. And I was facetious about that. You absolutely can learn from people younger than you. I love that. Luckily, the people younger than me are also better looking. But if you're not the mentality that you can't learn from somebody else, then it just, I don't know, it's just like you think not too highly of yourself or whatever it is, but you're just not like...
You're not open. No. But I mean, the classic mistake of youth, and I suffered it also, was thinking you're so dumb, you don't know what you don't know. So you think you know it all. And what most people have to discover painfully through life is if you had just listened to this person, opened your mind, opened your ears,
They were trying to save you. Right. So much pain. But it's ironic. That's how I feel. That's where I'd stop you and I'd be like, for me, the type of person I am, I have to touch that stove to know that it was hot. It's not just you. It's everybody. Everyone has to learn. It's the only way for someone to learn. I get it that you can, oh, learn from my mistakes. You don't have to be like me, but no.
For me, I have to grow that way. That's how I'm going to grow. I needed to do that. It's a shame because we could save so much pain. And I would say, I'm just pulling this out of my ass, but one out of ten times...
when somebody older imparts some wisdom to a younger person that says, I'm telling you, I've been down this road. I've seen this movie. But that was your life. I've stopped at this end. I know. But you're doing the same thing. We all have the same patterns.
I'm telling you, you could save yourself so much. I think like one out of ten times, that lands. And the person actually avoids the mistake they would have made. Nine out of ten times, they just got to do it for themselves. For sure. But also, let's compare the one out of ten to the nine out of ten. Like...
Who knows what it does for that person? Like, maybe the one out of ten who learned didn't learn in other areas that aren't. The nine out of ten who had to burn their hand took all the information in, and they understood for the next time that something was coming. You just got to, like, everybody is everybody. We all have our own lives. We all deal with our own shit. And that's just how it's got to be. Like, we all have to...
I wake up every day, I got to look myself in the mirror. I got to understand my problems. I got to understand my flaws. Not to discredit anybody else, but at the end of the day, like, I got to handle me and mine. Especially now that you got a kid. Like, I tell people right now, like,
I'm in the middle of my own storm. I'm holding my umbrella. My son and my family and people who I love and care for are under my umbrella. I can't hold your umbrella right now. Umbrella. Wasn't that a big song? Oh, my God. You're going to sing Umbrella now. Do it. Let's do it. Yeah, that's quite a jacket.
Yeah, it might be. That's a beautiful, oh yeah. Might need this. Yeah, you can reattach that yourself. That's okay. We can even keep rolling with this. And I'm sure, you know, we were talking before about how
You said you're really 40. No, but like mentally, because you do. Like when you're 22, not only are you playing this game in front of a lot of people, most people are not doing something in front of all those people, whatever they're doing. And then after the game, you have to like sit down in front of the press. You have to go to that table where you sit. I feel like it's the...
Rock bottom, worst thing ever you could ever watch on television is any sort of interview with an athlete. It's kind of raw, but even for me, as a 22-year-old...
Everybody talks about this catch. They like to try and reflect and be like, oh, he only had one catch. And I'm like, I think that was touchdown number eight of the season or whatever. No, no. You're whatever. You know what I'm saying? I'm a fan. I know how good you are. Let's be real. Yeah, the people who watch the game know. Stop it. But it's like at the same point in time, it's like, yeah, that was one catch that was touchdown number eight. But to me, I'm over here as a 22-year-old,
who's now been handed the world. And now you have, I'll never forget the catch happen. I went from like almost being at 300K to by the time we had a game next week, 1 million followers. The week after that, close to 1.5, 2. Like going into my second year, 2.3 million followers. Like just taking off and people around the world hearing about it. And it's like, not everybody can carry that. Yeah.
How many followers do you have? I don't know. Okay. But it's a lot. I know it's a lot. I know you're like crazy. I mean, I've got 10,000 on beeper. Yeah. I'll just say for the sport that I play, I've traveled across the world, and I fucking love it because it's great. I could be anywhere in the world, and not anywhere, but people know. You have fans, yeah.
Who I am. And, like, as a football player, we wear masks. We're not playing basketball. Like, it doesn't happen to anybody. I'm not Tom Brady, who was the motherfucking GOAT. You know, like, there's only certain people who are, like, you know, etched in stone, like, and it just so happens. So you think he's the GOAT of football? I'm not arguing. I'm just asking. I'm not arguing with you either. That's like... Yeah, I mean, he is pretty amazing. I mean, seven to seven. I used to dislike him.
Yeah, you try and it's hard. No, I used to dislike them. No, I tried to. But I loved them because it's like, why the fuck does he keep winning? He beat my Rams and the Rams is my team. Like, you know what I mean? He also, I mean, even if he just had the Super Bowls with the Patriots, it would be an amazing number. It's very hard to get to the Super Bowl. But then to leave the team, I mean, the studliest move he ever did.
was to leave the team and win a Super Bowl with another team. Because that was the...
It was the mic drop of all time. It was like, I can do it without Bill Belichick. Thank you. For sure. And, you know, that led directly to Jordan Hudson. Yeah. And so it was a tragedy. No, it wasn't. I think she's fantastic. Yeah. I think it's fantastic he's with her. I think it's fantastic a coach can get young pussy. That's how great sports is. Yeah.
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Listen, man, life's great. It's just like you got to respect him. Like, Bill was a real dog, too. Like, he was a real, like, he's one of those coaches who, he really was, bro. He was one of those people who I'll never forget, like, coming up to him. You didn't play for him. We, it was close. There was times. Yeah. That was like, you know. Would you have wanted to do it?
Absolutely. Yeah, because he's great. Tom Brady was Tom Brady. Oh, of course, and Brady was it. Tom Brady was my guy. That would have been awesome. It's also been funny that I played with Eli, who Eli was the only person to beat Tom, and it was just like that kind of Newman connection, so it's always like a bud, but Eli was really my fucking guy, and people don't know it, and they always try and
Go back to this one interview that I did when I was young, and it's like, oh, you threw your quarterback under the bus, and it's like, you're talking to a 24, 25-year-old man who's trying to accept a check to set himself up from an organization, so he can't really speak out on our organization. He can't speak out on a quarterback, but you want him to take all the blame for it, but yet it's a lot more than that that's at fault. It's like...
I mean, I've had this conversation with Eli. Like, I know for sure how much. I used to text Eli. I'm like, you're seventh on the list for greatest of all time. Let's get it. This is 2015. Let's fucking get it. Like, we got shit to do. And it's like, when I was at the Giants, do you know how bad I would have loved to see Eli go out with the Super Bowl? Like, on his last, like, boom. Motherfucker, you did it. Like, I don't know, like...
You did it. You know what I'm saying? Like that was what it was for me. Like it was deeper than it was deeper than that. And like people got it so confused because the media tries to play their games and they try to play their role and they know how to create the story and make it this and make it controversial.
Just so people read it, and then enough people read it, and enough people probably aren't happy with themselves buying into it, and they all buy into it, and they make it bigger. It's just a vicious cycle. I see this. I mean, when Aaron was here, he was talking about Devontae Adams, and, you know, I remember Terrell Owens crying.
You remember that? Like, that's my quarterback. And I love it because it's like, it just shows the camaraderie. And also like, it's like sports is great for being like transcending race.
For sure. I've said this many times before on my show. It's a great example for society because obviously people can do it. They play together and the love that you see the players have for each other. And it's like because you're on my team, not on my race. You're on my team. And I mean, we have four quarters.
And we had a win. How did we win? We all did this shit together. But especially the love that I see between, like, quarterbacks and their receivers. I mean, they go together like drunken disorderly. I mean, it's just lovely. I'll be honest, and I hate this. People do not understand what it's like to be a receiver. They like to put these things. Prima donna, this, that. Imagine this. Imagine this. Especially on receivers. Imagine this.
63 plays in the game average. You're the top receiver. You only get 8 to 10 to 12 opportunities out of 63. The O-line has to block. Everything has to block. The routes have to be part of the coverage just for you to get one opportunity to catch a pass. How do you get open? That's what you do when you train. But I'm just saying it in a sense of like... How does a receiver get open?
The beat them off line of scrimmage. It's just time and place, like everything else. But it's like, for me, it's the idea that people have of a receiver. It's like, oh, he's selfish. Everybody else on the football field, the O-line, as soon as the ball's hiked, they get to touch somebody with pads and block them or not block them. The quarterback, he gets the ball in his hands. The running back, if he gets a handoff, he's getting the ball. The linebackers,
They see the running back getting the ball. They're coming up to make the play. They see the quarterback dropping back. They're dropping back and covering.
The DBs are guarding the receiver. The receiver is the most selfless position on the field. We have to rely on everything else to go right just for one opportunity to catch a pass. People don't think about that shit like that. You don't because you're like, oh, no, he's the premium dollar and all this. No, motherfucker, I worked hard the same way he did.
The same way, just for this opportunity to catch a pass. So, fucking right, I'm going to be pissed if I got open and I didn't get the ball. And this was my chance. And some plays you're just blocking, right? Some plays I'm just blocking. That's got to be boring. No, but not when you're blocking for a Saquon Barkley. Right. Not when you're blocking for... I got caught so many times, I'll never forget. I'll never forget, like, Saquon comes at the Giants and finally be like, I have somebody.
like, never leaving New York, like, what the fuck, like, yes, I got somebody, let's build off here, and it was a Philly game, we were in Philly, man, this dude is just, he's the best, right, and I'll never forget, I don't know what play that was, but he caught, like, he took a handoff, and he was coming up the left side, and he bounced, and I'm, like, looking at the
The jumbotron, like, trying to block my guy, but he's, like, breaking right to me. And I'm, like, trying to get out of his way so he can be great because he's, bro, he's one of the best that ever put on cleats. Telling you that, and he's going to continue to show that, and I just love it for him. But it's, like, there's nothing better also as a receiver. Like, you spring that block that made the touchdown go. Like, that's just as good as catching the touchdown. Like...
Cool. Every receiver wants to kiss a touchdown. Come on. Be real. You know what? In my world, the version of that is, like, if I'm a comedian on, like, Martin Short or something, like...
Last thing in the world is I want to get in his way. What I want to do is just set him up. In my business, playing a straight man, that's blocking. And it's extremely satisfying. And it's a skill that lots of people don't have. I love doing it. They pay me the same. Whether I'm getting the laugh or you're getting the laugh. The check is still the same. And it is a great feeling, a feeling of camaraderie and selflessness.
And doing something for somebody else. For sure, bro. It's a mentality. And it's like, you know, again, break it down to this. There's good people, there's bad people. And I'll similar back to be like, there's some receivers who do want to score to be like, it's me. Like, you know what I mean? Sure. And there's some receivers who are like, I did that. Like, we, you know what I'm saying? Like, I scored, like, for us, though. Like, we're good. Like, let's go.
Defense, you do your thing. It's a camaraderie. So what about Aaron Rodgers? Love him. We've had conversations. So why don't you join the Steelers? That'd be great because he's on the Steelers now. I won't say that it's not a possibility, and I won't say that I haven't had any communications, but I also— Great coach. You'd love to play for that coach. Fucking love Tomlin. I was actually supposed to be drafted to this team. Really? Yeah.
That was the meeting that I had that I was like, I think I'm going to the Steelers. And the Giants ended up taking me to 12. Steelers had the 16th pick, maybe. I think they took Ryan Shazier in that draft. And it just was... Well, I hope I see more of you because you're always entertaining to me. I'm not done, I'll tell you that. I watch sports to be entertained, to waste time in the most elegant way I can.
Smoke you one of those? No, no. It's too passive. Pot I use for positive things, like I indulge myself here. I love it. But I would never smoke pot and watch football. You like chords?
Cards? Yeah. No. Like bridge? No. Cards, rummy games. Rummy, bridge. Yeah, those are card games. No. No. I mean, poker? You mean like that? I mean, yeah. I wish I knew how to play poker. I mean, no. Is that what you do for fun? Cards? Love cards. Really? It stimulated my mind. I feel like something about playing cards with somebody...
whether it's from me, whatever it is, you get to tell a lot about that person.
And their intent. You get to tell a lot about their decision-making. How do they go about, like, okay, I need to get my three-three and my four, but I got to get a pure run, but I have this, but I have that. What decision am I going to make? You get to tell a lot about people buying the cards. Yeah, but the problem with cards is that it's too much luck involved. It's like you can't make a three come up. You can only play the cards you're given, as the saying goes. Isn't that the same in life? We're all given fucking cards, right?
and all I can do is make what I have of what I have. Somebody who's poor and doesn't have money but goes out and finds a way to be fucking successful, they were doing a shitty hand, but they stepped it up.
You know what I'm saying? That's how I feel. In life, we're all dealt the cards that we're dealt. And however you deal with that is how you deal with that. No, that's the right attitude. I agree. But I just feel like with cards, like in life, you're dealt one hand when you're born. Maybe you're dealt a few other hands along the way. Some people are dealt a better hand. Some people are dealt a shitty hand. Right. But I've seen a shitty hand turn out to be a winning hand, and I've seen a winning hand
Yeah, no, you're right. Find a way to be a shitty hand. Yeah, and parents have a lot to do with it. If you have great parents, you were dealt an ace. And if you have shitty parents, you were dealt a deuce. But people do overcome that.
But I don't know. I guess I'm more of a determinist. I feel like, yes, I know the cards. Maybe I just have known my cards for such a long time now that I feel like, yeah, I played them out. And, you know, in the game of life, did I win 37-12? No. No.
I did. It was not a cream. I feel like I won the game, but it was more like 24-17. You know what I mean? Like, I've had many setbacks and many defeats and many things, but generally... The jokes with me and my friends, like, it could be 25-24. Like, I'm going to look at you after we won and be like, I just beat the fuck out of you. You know what I mean? Like, just to mess with them, like, it's like, bro, you won by one point. No, no, no, I beat the fuck out of you. Like, it's just that kind of, like...
I want, period. It doesn't matter how it is. And it's just like, I feel like life is all about perception. I always say perception is reality, but like your perception is not my reality. And once I used to live by everybody else's perception and you're always trying to please that, as a person, you're always going to find yourself displeased and it's never going to be good for you. So that means it's never going to be good for the people that you're trying to do more for. It's just, you got to just...
You got to find your own way in this life, you know? I feel like I can't rely on someone to... No.
You've got to rely on you. That's the end of the day. It's too late for that. Yeah. Well, but, you know, one of the cards that's kind of shitty when you're an athlete is you don't get the longevity card. Like, I'm still, like, working my job at the top of my game, and I'm almost 70. That's not going to happen in sports. Now, you could go into another field, and you may. I mean, at some point, even if you play this year or next year,
At some point in the near future, there are no 40-year-old receivers. Jerry? Jerry? Jerry Rice? Jerry Rice was 40? Really? Okay. Well, I wouldn't advise it. You're going to get hurt.
Well, if you do you do this which you think is gonna be a receiver at 40 what you choose Okay, well, but not 50 at some point. Oh, yeah You know, it's like I mean corn, but you got a family we got kids we got cool But I come on like what do you want to do when the football ends? You know, I just wanna to be honest. I keep a lot of I keep a lot of my things private because I want people to steal my ideas, but like I
my own like when I was with Nike there was nothing more I wanted to do than build Nike build like I they used to call me
Mr. East Bay. You know what I mean? Like when I was young. You remember East Bay catalogs? No. Where you had the cleats, the gloves, everything, blah, blah, blah. Where you buy athletic equipment? Yep. All I wanted. My mama, when she got her chips. Jockstrops, everything? I never wore those until I got to the league. Never wore a jockstrap? Yeah, no. Are you sure? Was your mother's running? Yeah.
All I wanted was that clean. The orange Nike Sherbert, Nike Mercurial Vapor, that one, the sparkly orange one. That was it. Boom. The David Beckham Baby Blue Predator Sparkler that came out. Adidas with the strap with the big toe. Boom. The Nike Mercurial Cristiano Ronaldo Carbon Vibre Vapor.
That was like my thing. Like it was always my thing. It was something that, and to be honest, one of my, I actually haven't talked about him a lot, and I have to give him a major salute. I was supposed to meet with him recently. Ronaldinho was one of the biggest inspirations of my life. Who? Those, Ronaldinho. Who's that? Soccer player. The way he fucking played, the smile he had on his face, his movements. Who does he play for? Now? Now?
Ever. Himself, I guess. You know what I mean? He played for Barcelona, Brazil. Oh. He had the gold Nike 10 poles. Like, he was... Where is he from? He was from Brazil. Brazil. Yeah, he was the man. Like, he's... Is that where the greatest scoccer players are from? Like, Pele, wasn't he Brazilian? I think so. That's like the last one I remember.
I'm not into soccer. No, look, man. I'm not into the story either myself, but Bernardinho was somebody who inspired me more than people could ever imagine. And it's just like, I'll never forget. I was talking about meeting your heroes and blah, blah, blah. For me, my biggest inspiration is those kids, the way that they look at me, the way that they wanted to dance, the way that they wanted to do all that. That kept me going for a long time because the grown-ass men who have their opinions and
feel like they get to say whatever about whatever, like that didn't inspire me at some point. It's just that it's another man judging me on telling me what I should and shouldn't be when they're not in my position in dealing with what I'm dealing with, you know? So I'll never forget how Mike was for me, Mike Vick. And, uh, I feel like he truly. What were you, what are you saying? What are you saying you're dealing with at that time?
When you said, don't judge me, you don't know what I'm dealing with. What were you dealing with? Just in general life. Like, bro, you don't know what it's like to have everybody watching you and you just want to go into CVS and get some sourpuss straws and Gatorade. People want to take a picture. People also don't know that
Your Chima might have passed on that day, and now you don't want to take a picture. Don't you think that's a, I mean. But now you're the asshole because you didn't want to take a picture, but I'm also, I'm a human. I'm going through stuff. I understand that very well. But don't you think, you know, as we said before, you know, you dealt different cards. Some are good. Some are bad. Don't you think the tradeoff of that for all the things that fame gets you is worth it?
You wouldn't trade that trade-off, would you? I understand that, but also, as a human being,
I have emotions. I have things. Yeah, I do too. But I'm saying I have things that like today might not have been my fucking day. Like it might have been a bad day. But you know how I avoid that? I don't go to CVS. And you don't have to either. You're rich. You have a zillion followers. I feel that part too. I feel like any celebrity in CVS wants to be in CVS. I feel that, but maybe I needed specifically for me, I needed to go grab that candy.
If it wasn't somebody else bringing me-- You wanted the experience of everyday life. I needed that for me. Right.
And maybe it's just as simple as that. Well, tough shit, I don't feel sorry for you. Well, I don't feel sorry for me either. You're Odell fucking Beckham. Fuck it, I am. You know what? If you can't go buy your hard candy at CBS, cry me a river. But... We live and we learn. See, you learned. I'm telling you. You guys told me the stove was hot. I had to touch it. I could have, but I didn't listen when they told me the stove was hot. Well, shit. We're both doing...
It's good to get to know you. I mean, it's nice to meet your sports idols and find out they're cool because, you know, sometimes you meet people who you've only seen from afar and they do the opposite. They disappoint you. You know, they're dumber, meaner, or, you know, just arrogant. And you're cool. That's great. I just feel like at the end of the day, the way my parents raised me, the way whatever happened, whatever my experiences, like, I'm a real-ass person.
And I won't change. And I'm not saying that I won't get better, but I'm saying I won't change for anybody in that sense, unless it's something that I need to do for me. I am who I am for better or for worse. Like I say, I know my flaws. I know my good shit. I know my bad shit. And I'm okay with that. When I lay my head at night,
I'm okay with that. If I laid my head at night and I had to be like, damn, I didn't stand for who I was in this moment, that's worse than laying down your head at night and be like, oh, I could lay good because I made everyone else. Who is your close friends that you can always rely on when you're having...
these kind of thoughts and you know, you got to ask about what's real and you can, who can you depend on to tell you the truth and to know the fame, lifestyle and all that stuff that you're talking about. Who, who, who do you go to? I think it's hard because it's like,
So LeBron James is one of my biggest role models, idols, this, that, third, whatever. Also a friend. Brother, all that. Right. There's so many people, but I'm like... Sure, he understands all that. Every situation is different. Like, I can only take a piece...
from Brown, I can only take a piece from here, a piece from there. The same way when I watch Allen Iverson, I can only take a piece from here. Allen Iverson. Like all these people, I can only take a piece and then I'm always going to be myself. All sports people? Are those the only people who can understand? No. No? No. You got regular people. You got your mom. Obviously, everyone looks at their mom and their dad. Growing up as the
Who I am or how I can understand things, but, like, when you're gifted or blessed or... I don't know what the word would be, but when you're put in another situation and you have to live in a different way, it's kind of like you're left to fend for your own at the end of the day. I understand, truly, the downsides to it. But...
Most people would say, I would give my right nut. Yeah, but they didn't have that opportunity. So they can't. I would give my right nut to have been 6'6", but God didn't want that for me. And God knew why he didn't make me 6'6". What are you, 6'3"? Ha. See, I like you. Okay. Yeah, yeah. What are you? I mean, I like you too. We don't need to talk about it.
But you're an athlete. So you're saying, of course, I'd be a whole different man. Football players like tall targets. And quarterbacks have to be tall now, too. I think women like tall targets, too. That's true. Could have been playing a different sport. Who knows what I would have been if I was 6'6". Right.
I mean, again, not going to cry for you. I'm not going to cry for you either. I think God did that on purpose. So you didn't get that last four inches? No, he had to humble me. When he was making me, he was like, damn, I did a good job, but it was brewing over the pot, so he put the pot on the top, and he was like, he's got to stop right here. You would have been too powerful at the age of six. Yeah, for sure. I think so. I don't think I would have been as good of a man as I was if I was a little bit taller.
Is that true? I think so. Wow. I can't think of much that would have gone better. I mean, you got to the top of your field professionally. Yeah, I just think my mom probably, I would be a little bit more like, I'd be looking over people. You'd be more conceited. Yeah, yeah, a little bit. You'd literally be looking down on people. Yeah, exactly.
Well, I'm 5'8". How do you think I feel? Well, put your wallet underneath both feet and then I'll tell you. Exactly. I like that one. It's not... You're 6'6", yourself. Well, I mean, that's... I hear guys say things like that all the time. But I guess when you have a kid like you do...
I always said, before I ran my son, I said, I fear the day that I have to raise a child in this world. Well, I hope you're a traditional parent. I have a dim view of...
parenting, not that I am one, but I'm not oblivious to what it looks like because I see these little rapscallions around me sometimes when I'm out and so forth and they have no respect for their parents. I feel that. Don't take any shit from your kid. No, for sure. It'll make your life and the kid's life better. For sure. I'll take a little shit from them. Sometimes it gives you that look and it's like, damn it. Like, I'm looking at you, I'm looking at you, but I'm looking at me and I'm like... Right. So...
But every now and then, oh. - But he's three, you know, come on. - He's three. - I'm sure that's-- - He's a great kid though. - There's no turning down a three year old, I'm guessing. But when he gets a little older-- - He gets what he wants. - Keep him away from social media too much. - By that time it might be implanted in their brains. - Yes, it might be implanted in our brains and the robots are gonna take over. - Yeah, they got a bunch of things. - Don't do that, you need those hands. - I know, but these-- - Those are very famous hands.
Keep it strong. Bro? Yeah. I hate to give you my left again, but I'm telling you. I mean it. I know it's what you're saying. My fuck you finger, too. I wouldn't disclose it. I would have gave you the little. Okay. Well, we'll get it. Thank you. I appreciate it. This was so much fun. Oh, that's right. You are tall. Oh, wow. Well, even better on you for succeeding in sports. Yes, dude. Oh, man.
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