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LinkedIn, the place to be, to be. If you say that you're a pro skateboarder now, that has much more merit than when I said I was a pro skateboarder in 1984. Ended up with a broken pelvis, fractured skull, and a lot of pain. Did you ever think you were going to die doing that? That's fair. Hey, hey. Welcome. Hiding behind the post? How are you? Wow, you look different in person. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Is that good or bad? You look younger. Oh, that's good then. Thank you. So do you. How old are you now? 55. Come on. Really? I am. You know, it's depressing that, like, I can take, I was born in the 50s, kid in the 60s. I can take the 60s, 70s being like ancient history. But the 90s, kids who are born after or in. Younger kids are like, that was, you mean in the 1900s? How old are your kids?

They range from 31 to 15, and then a bunch of 20-somethings in between. How many in this whole earth? Five boys. You have six kids. Five boys, yeah, between my wife and I, yeah. From one woman? No. That would be a lot to ask of one woman. Yes. You know, birth's got to be a bitch, right?

Uh, it looks very traumatizing. Yes. They say a man, you know that old cliche, a man could never undergo the pain of a woman giving birth. That's what I have to say to women. Come on, man. It looks like they have an out-of-body experience. Giving birth? Yeah, I think so. Well, at least giving, see, like if you're being tortured, I mean, like, what?

Like, you know, people, men get, women do too. But I mean, like, probably more men because they're serving more in the military. Not that women don't, but certainly in the time when they were getting captured. So if you're giving birth, it's painful, but it's a positive experience. You're giving life. Sure.

I don't see a lot of people comparing those two specifically, though. Childbirth and torture. Well, it begs it because if you're going to defend the idea that there's nothing more painful than childbirth,

that I'm going to throw in torture. I see. Okay, we're just going all the way to the extreme. I understand. Well, I mean, if you're saying it's the most, then I got to go to, how else do I argue that? Am I wrong? I don't know. Well, I don't know if you're wrong, but I just think that's an extreme scenario. But I'm not apples to oranges. I mean, you know, pain is pain. Pain is pain, and I'm sure you've had a lot of it.

I've had enough. I actually was telling someone just now. I've had just enough to keep me in check but not make me quit what I do. Well, but you're not still doing what you did when you were 25. Not on that level, but I'm still doing it to a certain degree, yes. To a degree that... Yeah, most people would consider it reckless, yeah. So you're like the Mike Tyson of... Oh, maybe. Your sport. How old is he now?

and he's fighting again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So at least I got a few more good years. But are you in competition at 50? No, I mean, sometimes they have a legends category of competition. Right. And I get into those once in a while, but honestly, there's so many outlets now in terms of if you are a pro skater, you are a pro skater, you have social media, you have all these other ways to...

Right. Be out there. Sure. That you don't have to compete anymore. But... In my day, you had to compete to get recognized or get any sort of success. Also, competition is your drug. I would say it was... All elite athletes. It was my incentive for sure. But my big directive all through the years was just learning new tricks. And so the competition was incidental to that. In fact, sometimes that got in the way of...

of progression to me because I had to skate in this sort of conservative way to compete. Couldn't take many chances. - Interesting. - And then when the competition was over, I was on the ramp the next day trying to learn tricks. So when did that change when they recognized instead of squelched what you were good at? Um, that's a good question. I mean, I got a lot of...

through the years just because my style was weird. I was mostly focused on tricks, and so I didn't look like I was flowing. I didn't have a lot of height because I was small. I think it was probably, honestly, not until maybe my second decade of skating that I got more respect for my skills, yeah. But, I mean, as someone who's not a great follower of it, like, you're the name I know. You're the... From my...

view from as not one of those on the inside. It was like, it wouldn't take me two seconds if it was a word association. Okay. And they said your name or skateboarding. Oh, thank you. Well, I don't think that's the majority of the country. I think that stems also from our video game success.

A lot of that, especially in terms of non-scarers. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was more that you were this innovator of a way of doing it that leveled it up, that took it to a different level. I'm honored if that's the narrative. Am I wrong? I definitely created a different way of doing it, mostly out of desperation, because I was so small that I couldn't figure out how to do the aerial maneuvers that I saw these bigger kids doing, like these men doing. And I created a technique that...

of doing it that required less strength, if that makes sense. Yeah. And that allowed me to finally get airborne like I wanted to, and that became the sort of standardized way to do it going forward. I'm just saying that sometimes something, somebody, it's rare, but somebody in a sport will do something, and it makes the sport a different thing.

it takes you to a different kind of place i mean babe ruth is the great example because i mean before that you know nobody hit a lot of home runs it was a rare thing that's not how you scored i think one one year ty cobb led the league with nine right it was like it was more like a trip well like a triple and and then he you know bombed you know 59 and 60. that was you know and just changing figure out a way to do it without running the bases

Yeah, when I see the footage of him, he's not...

As fat as they make it in... No, no, I wasn't saying... I'm just saying... Nobody's just fat. But in his eyes, it was like, well, this is the way I get a score. It just shows you. It's not always about the body. Right. And that was a bad body. That was like a dad bod plus. Yeah. A dad bod. And he was drunk. I mean, this guy could eat a home run drunk eating a pork chop. Yeah. He probably did several times. Sometimes with one hand. I mean...

He was a badass. He was fascinating. I thought that movie was good, too. Which movie? John Goodman? John Goodman, that's right. I remember that. He was perfect to play him. He was, yeah. Well, cheers. Thanks for having me. Pleasure. Although, there are people, and I may be one of them, who think Blade was very well at least half black. If you look at his features, it's just not out of the question.

that the greatest player in the sport that worked desperately hard to keep the black people out of the sport was himself. It could be. I don't know. But his background is a little murky. Yeah, for sure. Orphanage. Right. But that would make him even more of a towering figure. It would be like if they knew that Jack Johnson, who was also like an amazing badass, Jackie Robinson, of course. Yeah.

I mean, your sport is not like diversity crazy, is it? Oh, it is. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So who are the best people now? Who are the... Oh, so many. Wow. Some of the best skaters from Japan. You keep up with the kids? You talk to them, you mentor them, you're like... If they want my help, I don't actively seek it. I don't want to impose anything on them, but if they ask me any advice, I'm happy to give it.

Um, my style of skating is more, uh, the half pipe, the ramp kind of skating, whereas the, the more popular discipline of skating is, is street, which is just out in the wild, skating the rails and the ledges. And, and, and I did a little bit of that, but at some point I realized I'm not moving the needle doing this.

And my ankles hurt from doing it so much. They do. And I like flying. So I just went back to skating the ramps. Do you have injuries now that you still are dealing with? Yeah, I would say the biggest one, the most chronic one is my neck because I just had so many whiplashes through my life. But actually, I got stem cells a couple months ago for my neck. And I am just now feeling the positive effects of it. Oh, good. Yeah.

But even after the first time that happened, it didn't deter you from... No. I mean, the first time I got hurt, I was 11. I got a concussion, knocked on my front teeth, and I literally woke up in the ambulance. And my first thought was not, oh, my God, what have I done? My first thought was, why did I fall on that trick, and how can I do it better? And I think that was probably...

a defining moment in my career. What do you attribute this inordinate amount of drive and ambition and... Stubbornness. Really? More obsessive, yeah. I mean, you know, it definitely determined... My mom used to always say I was determined. That was her way of speaking nicely when her friends were like, your son's a terror. And your kids take after you? In various ways, yeah. Yeah.

-You had the same kind of drive? -Yeah. -Really? -Yeah. In different ways, for sure. I would say a couple of them maybe more than me and against their own health. You know, against their own well-being. And then others are very talented but not as eager to push the limits. And then some kind of-- you know, my oldest son is a pro skater. -Oh. -Yeah. -Well, there you go. -Yeah.

Most people who talk to me about their kids are always complaining that they're too woke and they drive them crazy with their... Is that... You find that problem with your kids? You find them to be always correcting you? No, I mean, I've definitely seen the shift of attitudes and the generation, you know, because we do have varying ages, and I see how even...

My oldest is more steeped in this attitude or whatever from his early days in the 90s and 2000s. And then the younger ones are definitely more aware of everything else and pronouns and things like that. So I feel like we see the full spectrum of it. And my wife and I are pretty loose. We're, you know, we just roll with it.

We're not trying to impose any sort of values in that way on them. No, it's them trying to impose it on you. They don't for us, no. They don't try to shame you? No, but like I said, we're very, I would say we're more understanding in that way. Because my wife and I both had, we had parents, my dad was in World War II.

Mine too. Yeah, and so he was much older when I was born. But he and my mom, children of depression, they were just, this is how it is. That's right. Yeah. So I tried to be a little more open-minded than that. There's got to be a middle ground. I believe so, yes. I mean, what they call today, they call it gentle parenting. Yeah, we're not that. I will tell you we're not that. We're children of the 70s. We're not gentle parenting. Right. Right.

At some point, you got to hear hard no's. Right. But no corporal punishment? No, no, no. Never hit a kid? No, no. Were you hit as a kid? I was not. Never was spanked? No. Really? I think my dad had a pretty abusive background, and he was very adamant to not...

to not keep that going, that cycle. Hmm. Maybe that's why you want so much pain now. You missed it in childhood. Well, I got-- Well, I had plenty in my childhood. I mean, I started skating at age 10, so-- I got spanked. Yeah. Not often. Right. But it was like-- it was like the nuclear option. Right. That, to me, is the correct--

for corporal punishment. Of course, you put it in the hands of sadists and stupid people and drunks and drug addicts, but that's true of everything with a child. If a child is living with a psycho of some kind, it's going to be horrible, and it's probably going to manifest in some sort of physical violence as well, and that's horrible. But that doesn't mean you need to proscribe this for the majority of people who...

You know, kids are little fucking monsters. They're feral. You have to educate them to be decent humans. It's not innate. No, you definitely... Yeah, but you can teach them to make good choices, I think, without...

without physically abusing them. I think that what you're saying... I don't think it's abusing them. But I understand what you're saying. Spanking is not an abuse of it. Abuse it. But I don't... I think your experience or whatever is more of an exception to the rule when you think about people who are regularly spanking or hitting their kids. Not in my generation. No. In my generation, everybody got spanked. In fact, I mean, it's hysterical. I did actually... I got hit in school once. Oh, and then there were the nuns.

Yeah, well, I wasn't going to Catholic school, but... Yeah, no, I got hit with a ruler by nuns. Like, I wouldn't go to... I got hit with the equivalent of a phone book. Catechism. And they had a ruler. I guess it was just why you would carry a ruler. I think only for that purpose. We weren't measuring things. Right. You know, we weren't measuring... Oh, yeah, it was definitely the whipping stick. The whipping stick. Yeah.

And it was on the knuckles. Yep. And, you know, it smarted. And I don't think that's the worst thing to do to a kid. And look, I mean... It smarted. That was the perfect generational term for that. It absolutely did. Oh, that smarts.

And that's why the kids today have no smarts. Good night, everyone. But it is – I do think it's connected. I think you have – I mean kids need boundaries. They need discipline. They're not getting it. That's why they've gone insane. Okay. But having a lot of kids and you have none, I think it's easier for you to generalize that. Well, I mean –

We can look at it two ways. You're too close to it, and I'm too far away. You see your kids. And when people look at their own kids, it's very hard for them to see flaws.

Their kids are all... Oh, I'm not saying they're not flawed. No way did I say that. And I never would, nor would they. Right, of course. But I mean, parents, it's hard to be objective about your own kids. Maybe you're... I'm sure you're right, you're not in this category, but lots of parents, and this is one of the big problems with parenting and all the problems it causes down the road for all of us in society, is that parents don't give their kids boundaries. They don't...

Say no. They don't say no. Yeah, I agree with you there. They take the path of least resistance. And also just the idea that you have to complement everything. Right. For jobs that are expected. Oh. That's the rub for me. And then, you know what the result of that is? It's like...

You grow up like that, and I see it in society. Like, every... People now, the younger two generations, expect to be complimented for just ordinary things. I got this exercise machine. I won't say the company, but, you know... And it comes with, you know, an app on your phone, and you connect that to the TV, and then you... Basically, there's a trainer on there, many, many programs. And...

I couldn't. I did this for a few months. I just couldn't take it anymore because the trainers, it's not what they're telling me to do. It's that every five seconds they have to tell me. You're a warrior. Just shut the fuck up and tell me what to pick up next. I want to say that was part of, you know, my dad was very rare with compliments.

And so when I was doing, you know, skating and stuff, it wasn't that I was doing it to impress him, but definitely there was a part of me that was like... Absolutely. I remember my father once looking at my report card, and it was like all A's except like one B. Right. Which was in like science or something, and he just went...

Hmm. Had some tough tests in science this term. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little dig. Yeah. And it's like just enough to make me want to get his approval even more. Right. Next time, which I don't think is the worst thing in the world.

Because I probably did do better next time. I mean... I mean, we could have used a little encouragement. Absolutely. No, I mean, that generation, which apparently is both our parents' generation, the World War II generation, the Depression and the war, I mean, these motherfuckers were hard. Yeah. Hard. These kids, they think they're... They don't even know the meaning of it. Hard. They were hardened by poverty and... Yeah, I mean, my mom was trying to raise four kids. She's working... Oh, God.

You know, my dad is in the Navy. It was definitely not easy. I've recently found something she wrote. She passed away, but where she was talking about her life. She's like, my life is generally good. We could have used a little more money in the coffer. You know, it's one thing that nobody in the first half of the 1940s ever said to each other.

What are you doing these days? Yeah, working. The war. Yeah. We're all doing the war. Okay, we're all involved with the war. We're fighting. We're fighting, either on the home front or just all in this. Or fighting the enemy. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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I wouldn't say slip and slide. Look at that, I wouldn't say slip and slide. What I would say is... I'm definitely hardened in my vagueness. That's a great phrase. That's a book title.

Hardened in my vagueness. I'm going to steal that. That's genius. I think I just experienced so many walks of life, and I've experienced so... What do you mean, walks of life? Just in terms of skateboarding, like, so many people that chose to skateboard were outcasts and misfits and had really difficult backgrounds, and so I just grew up around all that, so I came to be much more understanding. I remember...

doing this joke about, oh, it's probably in my book, which... Oh, wow, did someone drop that there? Yeah, somebody just dropped this here. Oh, what this comedian said will shock you. Anyway, pre-order it now. But there's one in there about, we're talking about cultural appropriation, and they were doing it with sports, and they got mad last Olympics game

with surfing because it was cultural cultural appropriation from hawaii oh yeah is yours won in the olympics yes see as of uh last in tokyo right that's congratulations yeah it is big deal well you probably this year you did that probably more than anyone oh i appreciate it yeah anyway so um

We were talking about how it's so ridiculous. First of all, surfing, like, how do we know where it started? The idea of standing on a board in the water. I mean, it's pretty well documented that it was Hawaii, but I do feel like they honor Hawaii in that. Oh, come on. There was zillions of islands around there. Like, that never thought, nobody else thought of that, even

if they did so the fuck what why is it wrong oh no i didn't say it was wrong but this is what they were saying it's cultural okay yeah i don't i don't agree with that there's a hardened opinion i don't agree with that how's that that it's not appropriation okay so we do agree though right okay yeah i mean it's right i mean it's standing on the board in the water i mean it's just fun in the ocean okay so but then like badminton came from france i think

Or maybe tennis. Sure. You don't know that? I don't know. I think tennis came from France. And maybe skiing came from Norway. Judo came from Korea. Or taekwondo came from Korea. Judo came from the Far East. And skateboarding came from the far out. Wow. That was the joke.

Which I always thought was pretty cute. But to your point, it always seemed like a place for misfits. Yes, absolutely. It was where we belonged. Yeah. Yeah. Emily, as opposed to picking up a guitar, you did that. Yeah, but I think there was a sense of community in skateboarding. Here's how I felt. I played basketball and baseball.

And I was okay. I never felt like I was making measured progress in any of those. And then every time I skated, I got better at it. So at some point I thought, this is what I love doing because I love the freedom of it and I love that I always improve what I'm doing. And then I found this community of people that were supportive but also were understanding and it was an individual pursuit. It was more like, this is more like an art form as much as a sport. Almost like ballet. Yeah.

Sure, but with... Or not. You don't have to humor me on that. I mean... Well, I mean, ballet is... Because ballet is athletic. Yeah. As well as an art form. It's a little like... But the idea that skateboarding was highly competitive. I mean, I guess ballet is highly competitive in terms of you're trying out for roles and stuff, but I'm talking about, like, there were these competitions where you were getting judged and you wanted to do well so you could get recognized to...

to move forward. But what I found was just this group of people that were so creative and supportive, yet motivated. And they listened to weird music, they dressed weird, they had crazy haircuts, and I loved it. And I felt like these are my people.

And so when I had any modicum of success, the first thing I wanted to do was provide those facilities for kids who are disenfranchised and kids who choose skateboarding but don't have anywhere to go to do it. So you were rebelling against your stern father. He was actually very supportive of skateboarding.

he was he was yeah from the beginning in the beginning yeah because he saw what it provided me and also i mean let's put it this way the the year i chose to go all in on skateboarding was the same year they appointed him little league president in our in our area and he i he was okay with me quitting little league in that in that year which was an awkward conversation but

What, because he was so invested in you being a baseball player? Well, the only reason he's in the little... part of the Little League is I'm on a team. Right. And I quit. So he had to finish out the year without any of his kids in Little League. Right. Yeah, that is embarrassing. And I would be at the skate park. But, I mean...

But he was, like I said, he was totally supportive, and he actually helped to form one of the only sanctioning bodies at the time for competition, because he saw that there was just no-- there was no organization in skating. It was just such a wild west. So you were famous by what age?

I guess that depends on how you define fame. Right, it's always shifting, that's true. I was known in the skateboard community for sure by the time I was 15 or 16. And in the wider community? Like, when would I? So in the '80s, skating was kind of big. I feel like I knew who you were in the '80s. Yeah, and I was doing really well in competition. So if anyone was looking at skateboarding, they might have seen my name because I was winning a lot of events.

But so, you know, like-- And did it make you popular? Mid to late '80s. Like with girls? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was a weird time because there weren't a lot of girls. Yeah, there must be skateboarding groupies.

More so now. - More so now? - Yeah. 'Cause skating is really considered cool now. - Do you feel cheated by that? - What's that? - Do you feel cheated by that? - No, I-- - Are you bitter? - No, I-- - Come on. - I'm okay. I'm okay. I've lived many lifetimes. - How is a skateboarding groupie, like, different than, say, the Motley Crue groupie? - I don't-- I haven't met both, so I don't really know.

Well, I'll get Tommy Lee over here. Well, now skateboarding is much more diverse. I mean, there are equal events, and there's parity and prize money, men and women. So croupie is a tough term. But I would say that if you say that you're a pro skateboarder now, that has much more merit than when I said I was a pro skateboarder in 1984. Really? Because if you said you're a pro skateboarder in 1984, they're like, you still skateboard? Yeah.

At your age, and I was 16. Right. It was a kid's thing. It was a kid's thing. Right. So it was more like it wasn't the best in to meet girls. Wow. Huh. And then when there was sort of a little bit more hype in like 1988-ish, then it was more like, oh, yeah.

Hey, that's cool. You're a professional. Wow, you traveled the world. Well, you got married young, right? I did, yeah. How old? I was 24. Okay. So when you get married at 24, what are you thinking? Because... Well, I was starting a family. I mean, it was, you know, it was all kind of happening. It didn't last that way, but it was more just... I was kind of a disaster.

So, you know, I thought I was getting grounded in my chaotic lifestyle of skating because skating was taking me all over the world and it was kind of frantic. You know, it was like, it was a strange, it was a strange space to be in because no one had really done it yet, made a career like that.

And we were sort of forging the way, so we didn't really even know what we were doing. But that's exciting, isn't it? It was exciting, yeah. It's so, I mean, to me... It was crazy. I mean, I never expected to leave San Diego, and all of a sudden I was in Japan for two weeks. I was in Australia for a month. I was in Europe for two months. You know, it was like...

I didn't-- it wasn't like when people pick up the guitar and be like, I'm going to travel the world and I'm going to play it. It was like, I picked up a skateboard because I loved doing it. I had no idea that it was going to take me around the world or make any money ever. It was kind of wild. And what about drugs? Is it like Lance Armstrong and the doping scandal?

That there was steroid or whatever. They're not doping to... I've never seen anyone that was doing that that was... I don't know. I feel like that just doesn't give you an advantage. You never were...

Really? No, yeah. I mean, at some point you've got to be... Hand-eye coordination and quickness. You've got to be flexible too, though. Why would that make you inflexible? I don't know. It just feels like if you're on steroids, it's more for the actual power in the muscles. Okay, but like when... I don't think it's an advantage. When baseball was...

Going through its steroid period. You remember that? Sure. Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds, they were all hitting 70s. Right, but that's what I mean. Skateboarding isn't about the... Why did they hit... What was the connection between why those balls were flying out and the steroids? I think it's hand-eye coordination. Not the strength or the power behind it? Yes, that too. But I think what really makes the ball fly out of the yard is...

how fast you hit it. Yeah, I just, I don't know. I mean, there might be an example of someone that was juicing and skateboarding and that was doing well, but I don't know anything about that. Like, I've never seen anyone do it. I've never thought they should have even been prosecuted because everything changes in sports over time. I mean, Babe Ruth didn't have to face black players. Really. You know, in his era, he didn't have to play night games.

he had a high batting average because they wore little mitts, you know. I mean, everything, so the fact that they were, you know, juicing at a certain point, I mean, but so were the pitchers. Roger Clemens was doing it too. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the whole thing with Lance Armstrong. It wasn't that he was doing it, it was that he was doing it, so he figured out how to do it the most stealthy or the better way. I don't know, like, yeah, that's wild. He sat here and he told me how he did it. Mm-hmm.

He said, "Every drug test I took, it was a real drug test. It wasn't somebody else's pee. It's just that I knew how to get stuff that left your body in four hours." Yeah, I mean, that was it. It was like, "Don't hate the player, hate the game." That's why I think the Lance Armstrong story is a great story. Yeah, it's fascinating. Because it's a great American story because America wanted him to be the champion. Right. And he did what we wanted.

He got to be the champion by doing something that everybody else was doing. And then, you know, he was the history's greatest monster when he lied about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was, by his own admission, kind of an asshole about it. Yeah, yeah, yes. And was, like, very driven. You know, you seem like the nice version. Not that he was a bad guy. Yeah, but also, when you talk about skating, like...

I just don't think anything is going to be an advantage. I know plenty of skaters that smoked a lot of weed. Really? Weed? That's ridiculous. Yeah, and they skated well. What's that? Doesn't do anything for you. But, yeah, that I associate with skating. Like, almost to the point where you could do a joke, and I think I probably have, and I think I may have just done one, intimating the connection between weed and skating. Oh, yeah, I mean, well...

I agree with you that there's definitely the stereotype. And to some extent, especially in the 80s, that was on point. But I feel like now skating is so much more diverse and there's so many people. And now it's in the Olympics. So people are very serious, but they're working out. Like they're sponsored by Nike. They have those resources. You never were baked when you skated? No, no. I smoked weed a little bit when I was younger and it really affected my skating negatively.

And I was so hyper fixated on skating that it was like, I can't do that because this is what I have. This is what I do. No, I can see that. I mean, I can see how it would be bad. I've played basketball stoned and I can be pretty good stoned. Sometimes I think even better, but not drunk.

I tried that a couple... That really threw my game off. I learned my lesson the hardest way, drinking and skating. I was skating at a party. Basically, I didn't realize it was like before raves were raves.

And it was just this random warehouse party way outside of a city in New Zealand. You were hired to do this or you were just having fun? No, we were there on tour and they said, "Hey, there's this big warehouse party. You guys should go." And they have a mini ramp. I'm like, "Yeah, sweet. Let's go." And so we went and somewhere around 1:00 or 2:00 AM, they said, "Last call, last call. Let's go drink." And so we went and pounded a few beers, went back to the mini ramp. I dropped in and hit the other wall. Like, as if it was just a wall, not a ramp or a slope.

And that was uncharacteristic. Very much so. That was my lesson. I was like, oh, I don't, I can't drink and skate. Is that on film? No, thankfully. Are you sure? We're talking about like 1990, 91. What about doing a reenactment? I do that enough on accident. Did you ever think you were going to die doing that? No. No? No. You ever thought, oh, I just fucking, like while you were midair. I had some bad experiences.

concussions, bad accidents. And for sure, in hindsight, oh, that was extremely dangerous and life-threatening. What's that? You've had concussions? Yeah, several, yeah. What's that like? It sucks because you wake up and you wake up elsewhere and you at first don't remember what happened. You were completely knocked out. Oh, yeah. So when you come to... Yeah, well, there's sort of a gray period where you have come to...

But you keep repeating the questions. You keep asking what happened and you don't have, you're not cognizant really. Wow. Because I've seen other people go through it, so I know what it's like. Scary. What's scary is when you've had enough concussions that you recognize you're concussed. And so you're like, oh, I know this feeling. Right. I must have hit my head. But also it calms you down because you think, oh, it's going to come back to me. Right. I'm going to get there. But I've had residual effects. I mean, a couple of times where...

There was one where I, there were a couple weeks where I couldn't really concentrate. I was trying to edit videos. I just couldn't make sense of it. So I'm very cognizant of that. I'm very, you know, I'm aware of the risks and I've definitely been proactive in studying it. Are there lingering effects? I mean, like, no. So like a day later, you're not like...

Not now. Peeing in the hamper and throwing your clothes in the toilet. No, no, no. Not now. No. I mean, I definitely had, like I told you that one, I had another one where I had recurring migraines for a couple weeks. But that's what they worry about in football, CTE. Of course, yeah. And like I said, I've been proactive in sort of getting tested and making sure that I have all my facilities. So this is as smart as you get. This is it. You get me on my best. Yeah.

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So what do you do for fun when you're not risking your life? I just stay home. I just try to stay home. What's at home? Your wife? My wife. We have one still at home. My daughter's 15. So this is wife number three? Yeah, four. Four? Yeah. Oh, come on, man. But, I mean, we're on 10 years. I finally figured it out.

What is different about the four that you didn't know? Well, one is that we are absolutely perfect for each other. No question. That helps. Two is that I finally did a lot of work on myself and sort of figured out how to be happy, centered, content. And honestly, to like what I was doing, to like myself, because I just...

I was skating, but I just didn't really... At some point, I was so... You grew up and matured. I mean... Yeah, absolutely. Aging sucks. We all know that. But it's also fucking great because you're just different in your 50s and 60s. You're comfortable in your skin. Oh, yeah. You know exactly who you are. This is the best version I've been, for sure. Me too. I mean, so it's a cruel joke that the God I don't believe in...

No, but I do. I feel like, especially with my wife, like, you know, we are older. We're both, you know, she's only a year younger than me, but I feel like we are in our best years. Like, it's amazing. I always think of that when somebody grade croaks. Like, wow. Like...

so much that you put into a life to gather all this wisdom and knowledge and sensitivity and all these good things. And then, you know, that's the time you would want to preserve it. Right. And that's when your body is starting to fail you. Right. And that's when it goes, you know. Yeah. I mean, I'm definitely hanging on, hanging on to that, to what youth I have, especially with skating. But I feel you. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I'm an only, it's only about tomorrow person. Like memories, sad memories, memories of things that were bad and sad. They don't make me sad. They make me happy because they're over. They're over, yeah, yeah, yeah. But good memories make me sad because good memories are things that are also over. And fleeting. And fleeting. Yep. And in many ways, irrecuperable. Oh, absolutely, yeah.

But the future is still the future. No matter how old you are, tomorrow is still... Oh, no. And I feel like we're creating incredible memories now because we have that much appreciation and we have all of that experience to understand why we should appreciate it that much more. No, I mean, I love life now. It's way more fun than it's ever been.

So the fourth wife is the lucky one. She's the one that got the good version. Well, but also she was the catalyst for that. Do you ever feel bad about past wives, past relationships? Wait, let me finish the question. Okay. Do you ever feel bad because you learned something on a later person?

that you didn't know when you were with the earlier person, and you're like, yeah, that I would have gone better for her and me and you if I had known that then, but I didn't learn it until Susie, but I feel bad because I should have known it when I was with Sally, but I didn't, and so she suffered. I don't think I get that introspective on it. No, I feel that all the time. I feel like, oh, yeah, Susie,

If I hadn't been such a dipshit. I mean, I feel like I could say that through so many points in my life, not just with relationships. So you think it's as ridiculous as I do when people say, I have no regrets? Oh, yeah. Well, that just seems like you're not accountable for anything.

It seems to me like you're not sentient. I mean, how can you not have regrets? Every day I have a regret, even if it's just the most minor ones. Sure. It's like, I never had a perfect day. Mike Trump had a perfect call. My day was perfect. I was in court. I didn't say a word. I always wonder what a perfect call sounded like. I wonder if you hang out and you go, that was a perfect call. It's such a testament to his insanity to even come up with that concept of

I mean, it's just not a phrase that you've ever heard anyone else say. A perfect call. Perfect. A phone call. Perfect. Like no one else in the universe ever put those two things together. A perfect and a phone call. It just doesn't happen except in the mind of an insane person. That's what people miss about him. He's stupid, of course, but also insane. That is insane. That is a level of insanity of our past and future president.

But I don't want to drag you into politics. You know, I did Politically Incorrect. Oh, I remember. Yeah. You remember the sign? Sure. Yeah, I saw it. Isn't that awesome that I fucking saved that all these years? It's pretty cool. Doesn't it look like a cool thing in front of a stripper pole? Is that where it belongs? Yeah, that's perfect. I mean, come on, man. Yeah, I remember. Again, 90s. But that's why I'm saying...

I was obviously aware of you then, and you obviously had risen to the level where you were on talk shows. Yeah. I don't know if I was quite prepared or qualified to be on Politically Incorrect, but...

There were no qualifications. That was the point of the show. The point was to put together four people who were... But I always thought that was a great name because of the chyron, of course, that were, you know, senator, actress, skateboarder. It's like, perfect, this is what I'm trying to do, create this train wreck of mismatched people. Do you remember who you were on with?

No, I don't. I remember I tried to get a few words in edgewise and I just, it didn't land. Somebody was drowning you out? Yeah. Could have been Pauly Shore. It was not Pauly Shore. I would have remembered that for sure. I feel like I would have been like, I had a little chum with him. But I mean, when you do see stuff, you know, from the 90s,

they'll rerun something somewhere or something. I mean, it does look like the land that time forgot. Oh, yeah. The hair, there's a certain kind of, I think it was Armani-influenced suit that men were wearing. The thin leather jackets. That too. I mean, it wasn't as horrific as the 80s with the hot pink and the hot ice blue. But there is a kind of a look, and the ties are...

You know, if you see a movie from the 90s and it's like, wow, that should be recent. And it's a, I mean, that show went on 31 years ago. Right. I mean, 31 years is... That's a lot of taped conversation. That's a chunk of time. I know. I don't know where it goes or, of course, you can't get it back. But what would you tell your, like,

If you had one thing to tell your young self from your old self, what would you tell him? What would save you the most pain that you could say to a person? If you find yourself shooting a TV show for MTV with two of the jackass cast and you're dressed in a monkey suit

Don't try to do a full loop. That's what I would tell my younger self. Much more specific than that. Yeah, it's very specific, yeah, because I ended up with a broken pelvis, fractured skull, broken thumb, and a lot of pain. So what show was this for? Wild Boys. Wild Boys. That was on MTV? Yeah, that was one of the offshoots of Jackass.

So it was when Steve-O and Chris Pontius did their own thing with mostly like animals, wild animals. Okay. You know, I mean, the Steve-O guy was taking shots at me in the press recently. Oh, yeah. That was unfortunate.

It was an unfortunate, unfortunate, darfur. This was just, I mean, look, I don't want to start a feud and I'm sorry that he felt slighted or something, but it is ridiculous that somebody thinks that I should give up pot smoking because they have a problem, then I'm sorry you can't be here. And, you know... Well, it's your show. It's my show, my house, my rules. And it's sort of almost the point of the show.

is that this-- I already have another show. It's called "Real Time." It's on HBO, and it's very much not on pot. It's on point. This is different. This is just shooting the shit. And this is how I shoot the shit. This is an attempt to get conversation as real as it ever is, just like if we were doing this. And I don't see anything that we've said that I wouldn't have just said to you if there were no cameras here. And you don't even know where the cameras are. OK? So let's remember that.

But, you know, that's what it is. And, oh, I mean, I have no feud with any of these jackass. I've watched all the movies. They are funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I do like that kind of, even though I know it's coming, like a physical gag like that. It's just as funny. So much of it is, I was actually talking about this. I just did, we have a podcast, Hawk vs. Wolf. I know you do. Yeah.

We just interviewed Jeff Tremaine today, the director of Jackass. And we were talking about how a lot of the skits that became Jackass iconic moments were just things that were filler for skate videos. I mean, all that stuff was like, there would be skate videos, you'd have just sort of weird segues in between the skating segments, which were just kind of...

-jackass-type stunts. - Right. And that's how they started. That really is how they started. They had Big Brother magazine, which was a sort of irreverent skate magazine that was uncensored, that was just raw and funny. That's where Knoxville did his review of self-defense devices. - Okay. - And where he shot himself. I don't know if you ever saw that. But that was for a skate magazine.

And so they made a video of it, and then they were talking about how this just was skating sensibilities turned into...

a whole show. But what you were doing, you were not trying to hurt yourself. Not at all. I mean, there's a very big difference. But we knew the humor in it. I see the Venn diagram overlap between what you do and Jackass. I think there's a huge difference. I just said skate sensibilities. I'm just talking about the idea that you're willing to risk yourself for... Yes, but you're doing it, again, to perform this ballet. Right.

They're not doing it for that reason. Just take the compliment because it is in your favor. Oh, I'm a fan. I love it. Look, I can say I love laughing, and that shit gets – I mean, that's a great just a laugh-a-thon. Most of it. Some of it, if it's gross or something, I mean, I can also hate it. But it's – look, they gave me laughs. I like anyone who gives me laughs.

But it also does remind me that, you know, show business, you got to love it. And one thing about it is if you really insist on being in show business, you can be. You can find a way. It won't be dignified. Yes. You know, it's the old joke about the guy who shovels the shit behind the elephant at the circus. Yeah, leave your dignity at the door. You know, what, and leave show business? Yeah. I mean, that's...

And some people just insist on being in show business. And God bless them. You made it work for you at a price I don't think is worth it. But if that's the only way you were going to get into the business, I mean, you work with what you got. You work with the hand you're dealt. But I do think that they had a...

They were creative in this Buster Keaton sort of way. And yeah, they were willing to destroy themselves for the sake of comedy, but-- - That's the little-- - But there was so-- It was so funny. I mean, we were just talking about-- I don't know if you see the bungee thing with Preston and--

And Wee Man, where Preston is the bigger guy, Wee Man is the little guy, and Preston stood on a bridge, and he was bungeed to Wee Man, who jumped off the bridge. And just that in itself was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. No, it is funny. It is. I mean, it damn well better be.

- Yes. - When you give up your kidney. - True. - You know? - Or your urethra, as Johnny Knoxville knows. I mean, I've given up dignity, for sure, on stage. I mean, when you're standing there opening for, you know, a rock band, which I've done, and they're literally throwing shit at you.

to get off the stage and you're dodging stuff while you're telling jokes, you do not have a shred of dignity. I'll admit that. I mean, I've been there. And paying your dues. Yes. And just, or by my own stupid fault, like, you know, turning off a crowd. I mean, this is 40 years ago, but, you know, still. And so, like, no matter what I said, just...

They looked like when your girlfriends pissed at you. Just a look on their face like, you think I'm going to laugh at you now after what you just said? So I mean, but that's a lot different than your body. True. You only get one, and as we know,

It's a reclamation project to keep it in top shape. Don't I know it. As time goes by. But you generally feel healthy? I do. I'm actually, I kind of turned a corner recently. I broke my leg two and a half years ago. Like broke my femur in half. Doing what you love. Doing what I love, yeah. And being careless with it. And I fucked around and found out.

And that recovery was really rough because I got back on my skateboard too soon. My bone shifted out of alignment. So I had to have a second surgery to put it back in place. And now I've...

I've taken upon myself where I'm not taking those unnecessary risks anymore. I embrace how old I am and that I get to do this at all on any level. So I've actually kind of reached a more baseline of skating. You've always got to throttle back. Sure. Aging is a... But I wasn't. I mean, I wasn't until I was 53. Yeah, it's not going to be exactly the same. And that's okay. That's the... Well, I mean, I think that's the hard lesson I learned. You make up for it with other... Through that thing, yeah.

It's always a balancing act and a trade-off of, yeah, but I'm also getting better at this. True. You know? I mean, I'm lucky because what I do is up here, so I can be getting better at 68. Whereas an athlete, you guys, you know, that candle burns when you're young. Yeah, yeah.

And that's something I'll never, one of the great advantages, I'll never understand the beauty, the joy. Kind of the same with music, usually flowers only when you're young. Of certain highs that I think athletes and musicians reach. But I'm also like doing better at my age.

than most of them are, certainly athletes. Yeah, but when you say it's funny because skateboarding, like I said, is such an art form as much as it is a sport that there are techniques that I now have learned and that I am working on that are better than what I used to do. They're just not as high impact or as risky. And it's like I never wanted to zero in on those because they didn't seem...

as interesting and now they are the interesting thing because it's more like oh i can't explore this because i still have the skill set and these things aren't going to kill me that's that itself is interesting it's really fun so i mean like today this year i've learned i learned a new trick that no one had done before but in 10 years no not in 10 i mean i don't know what kind of if you asked me 10 years ago will you be doing this in 10 years i would have probably said i don't know

Mick Jagger is going on tour at 80. I mean... Yeah, I think 80 is going to be... That's it. No more McTwist at 80. But then what will you replace it with? No, I mean, I think that I'll replace it with enjoying my children and my children's children.

And more just sort of reveling in that. But you've already been doing that for decades. Sure. Well, I'm saying grandkids. Grandkids would be great because then you can rile them up and give them back. Yeah, I never had the chip to like kids or want to have kids. Oh, yeah. You've been very transparent about that.

That sounds like you're rolling down a glove there. No, no, no. I'm just saying I know that about you. I watched – I'm a fan. Oh, thank you. I appreciate that. Of course. Yeah, I mean – So I'm just saying I've heard you say it many times. You're not interested in having kids. You don't like kids. No, I'm not. Well, I feel like I have to speak that because –

Nobody else will. And I speak for so many people in the country. You'll feel that way. Oh, for sure. And all I'm ever saying about that is that there should be no moral dimension to it. When I started in television, probably when you were first on that show...

It was considered kind of like you're a weirdo if you don't aspire to have children. Oh, I agree completely. And I know plenty of people that are not interested, and that's their choice. I respect it. Like, of course, you don't have to. It's not a requirement of being a human. Exactly. And it doesn't make you a better or worse person. What makes you a better or worse person, I think, is how you are as a parent. If you're a bad parent, you're a worse person than me.

Because I didn't fuck anybody up. I didn't have anybody. Yeah, you're creating more problems. But I didn't fuck anybody up either. I didn't have somebody and then shirk my responsibility. No, I agree with you completely. If I had had a kid, I don't think I would have...

you know, been there to the degree that a kid needs. I mean, to a certain degree, you absolutely do have to train your life for your children's. I mean, that is the priority life now. You go through your life before you have children, and there's no doubt whose life is a priority? Mine.

Now, you fall in love, maybe you'd save your lover before you. Certainly Jack did it in Titanic, although as many people have pointed out, although I was one of the first. Didn't have to. You could have got on the thing. She was a little selfish there with the, yeah, you know what? I've had a rough day. I really need to stretch out. But...

but uh you know i just never wanted kids i didn't want them when i was young and they were cruel kids are cruel i didn't need that and i you know they're they ostracize you they bully you like i said they have to be taught to be decent human beings it is not oh sure it comes naturally yeah i'm and and on the flip side of that

Like I said, my wife and I, we have many children between us, and the most rewarding thing is when you... When you say many between us, but, I mean... She has two, I have four. Oh, I see. That's the six? Yeah. So it's a blended family. It's a blended family, yeah. So you had four biological ones, and then... Oh, I see. So this is like yours, mine, and ours. Absolutely, yeah. I see. Yeah, and...

It's just the most rewarding thing as a parent. In no way am I trying to pitch it to you. The most rewarding thing as a parent is when you see your kids and they end up

becoming young adults or full-blown adults when you see them make good choices and you know that you had some influence on that. - I'm sure that's right. - That is the... And at some point, you know, we've come a long way with our relationship and there's been plenty of ups and downs through all of our years. But when we see them all together and we see them

talking, conversing, joking. Sure. Yeah. You know, that's what it's about. And we look at each other and we go, we did it. Right. Look at this. These are functioning adults, yeah. I obviously can't relate in a direct way, but I get that. I really do. And I get it for you where it's like, I'm not interested. It's not my... And there's no danger of you tempting me, talking me into this. Oh, no, no. In no way would I... It'd be more likely that I go out there and do a half pipe or I could do a full pipe. I could do a hash pipe before...

This would happen. But no, it is just personal taste. And it's probably, again, everything goes back to our first few years of life. And what environment plus innateness and what

What we inherited, our genetics, our DNA, made us this person we are. And it is amazing to me how that has been so steady throughout my life, the kid thing. Didn't like them when I was one. Didn't change in my... When I was one. When I was one. Feel that, yeah. Didn't change in my childbearing age and didn't change in my post-childbearing age. Did you ever date anyone with a kid? Oh, single mothers? Yeah.

Yes, of course. It's funny you say that. I did have a single mother period where I just, I don't know what it was, the universe, although I don't believe in that, but I just was with a lot of single mothers. I mean, they were like 22. Okay. You know, I was probably 40. But young kids then? Very young kids who I never met.

Oh, yeah. Okay, I get it. And never wanted to meet. And they were fine with that. They were like young mothers who were like, I mean, they, of course, loved their kid, but they were young. They wanted to have fun. Yeah.

When I came around, it was not about the kid, and we both loved it that way. I once had an idea, and I pitched it, and could have sold it, except there was a technical problem, I mean, a business problem. I was on a network, and I couldn't do a show for another network, but they wanted to do it, the single mother's beauty pageant. I wanted to do a beauty pageant. Wow. I pitched this, really, and they put the little four-year-old boy in a tuxedo,

Walking his mother down. There would not have been a dry eye in the house. I would still do it if anybody's hearing this who wants to do my single mother's beauty pageant. That sounds like the reboot of Politically Incorrect. This would be even better. You have to get HBO's permission, and that's going to be tough again. But I think I could knock this out of the park. I think it's very funny, and I think it tugs at the hearts of Americans because...

You know, there was a time when single mothers was not a thing. I mean, you ever watch Mad Men? Sure. Great show about, you know, you're a little younger than me, but my youth in the 60s, there were no single mothers. That was not a thing. We didn't hear about it at school. It wasn't in the neighborhood, you know. Then it became a big thing. And so there was some judgment there.

Much less now, but there's so many single mothers. Now it's almost... I mean, I grew up in the 70s, so most of my friends, they live with their mom. That was it. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing the way the family did really break down from when I was a kid. I mean, honestly, there was...

Growing up in 60s New Jersey, there was quite a few suicides. Wow. But no divorce, which tells you something about marriage. Oh, my God. No, really. I walked into that one. No, it's true. There was like guys in the swimming pool.

But not a divorce. Yeah, that was like much more common, I feel. I remember three of those and no divorce. And on Mad Men, there was one character who was the divorce lady. And she was like,

shunned like the like we were the Amish or something and she was using a radio I mean she was like lived at the end of the block and her kid was all fucked up and you were the D word yeah it was it's amazing how far this country has come but um anyway I'm gonna go back to my day job

I'll watch you there. Yeah, I appreciate that. My wife, she has sleepless nights sometimes, and if I hear your voice, I know that she's not sleeping. Your wife watches me? Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, we both watch it, but a lot of times she'll catch up while I'm asleep because she's still awake. Yeah, so thank you. Hello, I appreciate that. Absolutely. Thanks for lulling me back to sleep every once in a while. I'll take it. Thank you.

Oh, and I signed this for you. Oh, wow. Thank you. I signed it with great respect to an ultimate champion. Oh, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Yeah. I'm honored. You're the babe. Thanks for having me. You're the babe. It's not random.