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What a great line. Yeah, the nightclub shooting where Sean was... I call it a bathroom misunderstanding. What's up, brother? How are you? Well, nervous as hell because... No, just because I will... I'm not sure if I brought enough firepower, the right... I don't want to disappoint you. No, no, I'm not disappointed.

Well, you don't know. You haven't spoke to me. That's what I'm saying. I don't want to be the lame guy who brought the... But I think this is from my store, The Woods. Okay. You know The Woods? Yes, I do. Woody Harrelson. I do. You have partners in that store? Yes, I am. Awesome. Yeah. John McEnroe and I are minority owners like I was with the Mets. Yeah, yeah. Always a minority owner, but that's good because...

You know, you're not in for the downsides. Well, I have something for you. Yes. I have a store as well. Oh. I have actually two stores. Yeah. One in Bel Air and one in Chatsworth. Bel Air. Yes. Excuse me. Exhibits West Coast cannabis. So look. So here are. Okay. Well. Yeah. Here are. Here's some shirts. Great. Yes. And.

Oh, thank you. Shirts. And then here's some. It's lovely. Yeah, we got some hats in there. Oh, wow. Yeah. I will wear this proudly. I will. Here's some more merch. I think I told you once that I used your. Yes. You know what I'm talking about. I was actually, somebody sent it to me, and it was the line where you said,

In the words of Exhibit, I might leave in a body bag but never in cuffs. For people who don't know what I'm talking about, I was the show that signed behind you, Politically Incorrect. Yeah. That show was on for nine years. Yes. I got canned, which is, you know...

Oh, my Christ. This is heavy. That's a lot of weed. That's a lot of weed. So if we run out of what you brought, then we have plenty. There's a lot. Well, if we run out of what even just I bought, we'll be dead. These are from the woods. I mean, if you've never been to the woods, it's just amazing. I mean, it's like a pot store because it's just a pot store in the front, which is as nice as any pot store I've ever seen. And then in the back, it has...

It goes all the way back to the next street on the block, which you don't see from when you walk in. And back there, it's like a jungle, and there's all these cabanas. It's the best place to... If you want to smoke it where you bought it, there's no place like it. Absolutely. How is it smoking with Woody Harrison? Well... Come on, man. I mean, you know, it's like getting violin lessons from Paganini. I mean, he's...

I mean, you know, I don't know. He sat here and we were like literally on the, you know, like drooling. That's one of my bucket list items. Woody? Yeah. Oh, I can arrange that. Absolutely. You don't have to ask him twice. Yeah. All right. Well, let's fucking light up. Let's do that. Oh, but no, for the people who are like, Bill, tell the story about what are you talking about? Okay, so when I got canned...

This is back in the day when you got canceled. You actually got canceled. They canceled your show. Absolutely. And announced it. Yeah, it wasn't a metaphor. Yeah. You're out of a job. You're fired. You're canceled. Which is fine. I had a nine-year run. I loved it. It actually was a blessing in disguise because I like real-time...

It made more sense. It was good for when I was young and immature, and now I'm old and immature. So, you know, this suits me better. So I think, how am I going to leave this nine-year trip I've been on where the show is called Politically Incorrect? And I got fired for doing what I did the whole time, which was speaking my mind. This is right after 9-11, and, you know, they thought I was with the terrorists. I was just...

saying they weren't cowards, which you're not when you stick with the suicide mission. So I said, okay. And I wouldn't retract, you know, sorry if I hurt your feelings. Right. You know, and I did. I mean, the country was raw and maybe the timing was whatever. But, you know, that's what this show was. So I said, what can I say?

And I guess I'd been listening to that song a lot at the time. I mean, I'm no expert in rap. I do. I mean, I love your... I mean, you're... No, Bill, you are, I would say...

connected to the culture in a way that is genuine. And look, dude, I watch your show. I appreciate it. And I enjoy your takes. I enjoy the wittiness and you see the forest for the trees and you tell it how it is. And I think we miss a lot of that in today's

you know, perfectly brewed system of stewed shit. You know what I'm saying? So I think it's dope that, thank you. Yeah. I mean, I hear this all the time from people who, you know, basically are saying what you're saying, which is like, it's great to be an ally, but being real is,

It's almost, it's not better, but like, it's very important to be real. Even if you don't agree. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's.

And so anyway, I had to find some line. You know, when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, not that I'm comparing my leaving politically incorrect with walking on the moon, but he had to like come up with a line. You can't just fucking walk on the moon and go, geez, that was some shit, huh? Neil Armstrong, who famously said, geez, that was some shit. So he came up with one small step for man and went, okay, great. So I was like, but I'm leaving this politically incorrect. And

your song. And I know the whole, I don't know a lot. It's the Eminem record. Yes. Yeah. I'm not Ari Melber. I don't know rap songs like that, but I do know that one. And I know that whole thing. I think it starts, well, I can't even sing it, but you know, I'm the head African-American in charge. I watch you move. I see you found dead in your garage with 10 o'clock news coverage. Yeah.

And then it's like, you got to love it. I've exposed the facade. Your little lungs are too small to hotbox with God. All jokes aside, come bounce with us. Standing open your wooden 12 gauge about to bust. Like ashes to ashes and dust to dust. I might leave in a body bag, but never in cuffs. And I thought, leave in a body bag. That's what I'm talking about.

what the message I want to leave. Standing on, standing on your principle. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, whatever shit I said at the time, I may not even agree with all of it now. I mean, 37 year old me is, is not a, or whatever I was is, is not, I'm almost 70. Right. You, you, you know, but mostly, yeah, I'm pretty much the same guy. Absolutely. And I would do the same thing. I just found a network or they found me or it was just lucky we got together where I

That was never really going to be an issue again because there were no sponsors. The show never lost its audience. It just lost the sponsors. And in commercial TV, you can't survive without sponsors. They pay the bills. Right, right. So anyway, what did you light up there? What did you put in there? What is in that dropper? Jing. I drink it.

I do. I love it. It's a way to make diet soda without any chemicals. What do you drink? Oh, you don't drink anymore. Well, I do. What are you having? Coffee. You don't drink liquor. Yeah, I do. Oh, you do? Yeah, I just... But, okay, so here's the thing. So, I'd say maybe...

Eight, nine months ago, I was 268 pounds. Really? You look way down from that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I started eating clean, getting rest, going to the gym, doing all that stuff. Just was really not liking what I was seeing. So now I'm down to 220, and now I'm just drinking when there's a

There's a reason to celebrate. You know what? That's almost exactly what I do. I drink here. Yeah. And never more than two. Yeah, for sure. You know, when you're my age, I'm a 70. Well, I mean, I'm with you, Bill, so I'm going to take a shot eventually.

Great. Yeah. I'm going to take a shot eventually. Well, let's try this one from the woods. It's Lil Woody's. Okay. See that? Lil Woody's. And it looks like it's a- What is that? Like a four gram, three gram? I don't know those kind of things, but I mean, Woody seems to have signed it. It's very fancy. Wow. I'd almost say gay, but I won't.

So let's light this gay joint. Okay, let's do it. Have a gay old time. So you got a new record coming out? Yeah, yeah, man. Oh, awesome. I haven't put out a record since 2012. So it's important for me to go into this knowing that I have to reintroduce myself to my fans and people who may not even know I do music. Yeah, the whole generation wasn't even around. Right. Right.

Wow. Or people that just know me from doing film and TV. So Kingmaker's the title of the record. I really feel there's 20 songs on there. We've been rolling it out. I partnered with Conor McGregor. He started a record label. Conor McGregor? Yes.

I did not see that coming. No one did. As the kids say, I did not have that on my bingo card. When's the last time anybody played bingo? Yeah, but I think it was attractive to me because we're the first. There's no level of expectation. He is...

You know, there's no real way. So he's rapping? No, he's not rapping. Oh. Yeah, he just, you know, he's got a group of people around him that do his investments and whatnot. And starting a label was something he really wanted to do. So he ended up, you know, getting his group together, pulled the executives in. Yeah. And so we came in. We're the first ones out. I think he signed Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. There's a diverse genre of music on the label. Bone Thugs-N-Harmony. Yeah, I remember them.

I lost the lighter already. No, no, that's not the one. Oh, yeah, the metal one. Okay.

I tell you, kids, don't smoke pot because this is what will happen to you. You'll just be two washed-up celebrities getting high in my basement. And I'm telling you. Oh, here it is right in front of my fucking face. So that's on Conor McGregor's bucket list. Greenback Records.

Start a record label. Yeah. Throw a chair through a bus. Start a record label. He's a bad boy. Yeah, I mean. No, I don't dislike him. Yeah, yeah. I just, you know, I mean, he's just a badass. He's him. He's him. Unapologetically. And I think that, you know, he's, you know, whether you love him or hate him,

He shoots over people's heads. And I think that's what we needed to kind of get past the algorithm of, you know, ageism is in hip hop. You get past a certain age and then they tell you you don't belong. It's everywhere. Right. But especially music. Yeah, yeah. Music is like, you know, especially in hip hop. And, you know, they say they describe it as a young man's sport, but we're the first of our kind. Hip hop just turned, you know, 50 some years old. I know. You know, and so. Unbelievable.

We are now crossing this threshold from the last shift change was going from cassette and vinyl into CDs and now streams. And so we've transcended into this new age, and we're the first to actually experience this. So now it's time to, you know, figure out, you know, where do we land? What do we rap about? What do we talk about? I don't talk about any of the things that I've been doing in my 20s, so I have to make it so that it's comfortable in my skin. Oh, I mean...

They go through people's old tweets. You're very fortunate that they don't go through people's old raps. I'm just going to say there are some advantages, my friend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes you draw... They will. They will, won't they? They could, and it wouldn't be hard to find. No. Things that are just...

so misogynistic. Yeah, you can't say that shit now. I mean, Bitch Please? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Choke Me, Spank Me, Pull My Hair. Like, that's one of my biggest songs. And that's the title. Yeah, that's the title. I know. But I'm saying, Bitch Please, you must have a mental disease. Yeah. Assume the position and get back down on your knees. Get back down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not bad enough. It's like, she got up to get a glass of water and that pissed you off.

Yeah, that would not win Now's Man of the Year award. Yeah, it didn't age well. It didn't age well. Really, but you know what? I make this case all the time. There's an author who wrote a book about it. He calls it presentism. It means you don't judge people.

By the mores of the past. Because people were always just different. Right. You're not better. You just came later. Yes. You're not better than George Washington. Yeah. Everybody had slaves in that era, including people of color in other parts of the world. Correct. They did it too. They had this big argument going. They say, well, schools aren't teaching slavery. Right.

I don't know. I grew up in New Jersey. Right. We did in New Jersey. Right. Even in the 60s. Right. You know, it wasn't like the 1619 Project where they defined the country, but we got the message. It was wrong. Yeah. And it was done. We were in the North, so it was like, oh, those assholes. You know, whereas, of course, the North participated in that way. Correct. Right. Of course. Everybody was, you know, talk about an economy built on cheap labor. Yeah, yeah. You know. Yeah, free labor. Yeah.

Yeah, I'm saying. I think even with that conversation, I think that the after effects of leading with slavery, especially in grade school and the way we're taught and the way it was defined and the narrative was changed.

Yeah, I think when people feel as though they've been lied to or feel as though that they, you know, have been disenfranchised or, you know, that is definitely a feeling, a real feeling, you know, for a lot of people. Oh, of course. Yeah, and I think that, you know, when you look at, when you have the conversation about slavery and the way it's introduced to us and led to us, I mean, you can see, I remember being in grade school and having no issues with people's

People in you know or racial kind of bias or whatever but as soon as those lessons started You could kind of see the mental shift in where it was the pecking order was introduced and and pecking order of amongst whom the pecking order of the mentality of The way the white kids started looking at the black kids in the class, you know I'm saying and vice-versa looking at them with

Guilt, scorn, superiority. Who knows? Who knows? You know what I'm saying? But there was it was like today. It's funny because today the country is so divided and so different in blue state areas like here.

if they introduce this topic, because the way the white kids have been brought up on this subject, they're going to be like, oh, my God, we're terrible people. We're oppressors. Whereas I feel this is wrong because, kids, you didn't do it. Yeah, yeah. You had Little League. Right, right, right. And this was many years ago. But maybe when you grew up or still in some places in the country where this –

comes up, maybe the white kids look at the black kids with scorn. Like, you know. Yeah, I mean, but there is, what I'm saying is, whether those things, whether that feeling is from there or it goes into guilt or whether it goes into something, that you could tell that this was now being introduced, right? And so now you look at the systems and the things that have been, you know, I guess, what

We have been dealing with, you know, from different ranges. You know, racism does exist and all that stuff. You know, but I definitely know from, like, grade school on to the introduction of it. And then when you get into being an adult and you see how the, you know, disparaging differences between kids

Being able to get a loan or not get a loan or how you identify those single dials, that's a real thing. You know what I'm saying? So I think that, especially in this climate. It's a real thing, but some of that they can measure. Yes. And they do. Yes. And we got to go by measurements, not feelings. Correct. Like you wouldn't use the...

blood work in your body from 1990. You'd use it from this year. Correct. So you could look at that loan thing was certainly prevalent. Still might be. I don't know. But when you look at the numbers, you know, especially in the last five years, people know that there's a real spotlight on this. There has been a real effort. Well, it's been turned up on purpose. Of course. And it should be. But, you know,

The question isn't, are there racists? Of course, there always will be. On both sides, by the way. But, of course, more historically, it was not a two-sided thing. It's only recently become where, yeah, you could benefit as well as suffer. Because we divide everything racially. But the question is, you know, not whether there are still racists, of course, but

This word they use, systemic. How much is it in the system? Who is it holding back? And what are the real solutions? America got a real wake-up call where they thought DEI meant black people. It doesn't mean... Surprise, motherfucker. What do you mean? No, I mean, I think it was funny, but, you know, like, when they started attacking the whole DEI thing...

Black people weren't the last level of that. It affected so many people before it got to black people. No. Yeah. No, no, no. DEI programs? Yeah. No.

No, come on. It was there to even things out with black people. That's what the program, diversity, equity, and inclusion. But it didn't, you know, but... Who went first? Who jumped the line in diversity? Well, I mean, in those settings, what they're talking about is, you know, primarily...

It was like women in the workplace. Oh, women. Yeah. Before it got down to. But see, women don't need help in the workplace. That's how very often we're just so far locked into previous narratives that we get involved in what I keep calling zombie lies. Like, it's a zombie lie. It was true. And then it became not true. Yeah.

But you keep saying it. Yeah. And women, yeah, women did used to not be treated equally and like not paid as much just because they were women. And they weren't...

avenues open to them women now are leading in the workplace you know they graduate more from college they they're it's the boys who are who are lagging behind now in those areas yeah you know it's like we're not living in the world where women can't get ahead yeah yeah women i'm not saying that i'm not saying that that but i mean i just think that people were trying to generalize and then it became a like another code word to talk about black people you know

Oh, it is that too. Yeah. No, it turned into that for sure. But it wasn't quite the silver bullet that, you know, they were thinking it was. Well, they just got rid of it like three weeks ago. Yeah, yeah. No, they did. I mean, as usual in this country, Biden overdid it with DEI and Trump is going too far in the other direction. Right.

The pendulum never stops in the middle. I think the uneducated people were thinking like, you know, J-Rock from Compton is working at NASA. You know what I'm saying? They just ushered him in. No, no. It's not that, but it's a lot of dumb shit going on out there. No, but there was, I think it was the University of Michigan, someplace like that, a college, which is already one of the most liberal places in the world, had something like 200 DEI officers.

- No, come on, man. It's like, what are they doing? What needs to be done? Uh-oh. - No, I know. - It's okay. - Yeah, no, no, no, no.

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So it's not something we wouldn't expect. No, no. Peter Gabriel, you know. Anne Murray, Snowbird. No, I just, I really don't do a lot on there, man. I just get phone calls. Yeah, I don't either. Yeah, it's just... So what you said before that you, so interesting about the, I think the...

Subjects that are so different from... When was your first album? 90s? My first album was 96. 96. Okay, so yes. Wow, that's a ways. That's almost 30 years. Yeah, 96. Okay, so yes. And in 96, I mean, certainly all the misogyny and all that shit was fair game. Right, right. Now...

And so what are the subjects now that have replaced it, I guess, is what I'm getting at. Because when you cut down a tree and you see the rings in it, you can tell how old that tree is. When I started my records, I was kicking and screaming. I was very angry. So I was kind of-- You'll hear it in your voice. Yeah, I found a safe place.

you know, for me to kick and scream and not hurt myself and others. Right. You know? And so that was like my therapy almost. So hip hop, I feel, saved my life. But, you know, I was 19, 20 years old making those records. So now being able to

you know, go back and listen, you could tell what the environments in the, you could tell when I got paid, you could tell when I, you know, was frustrated. You could tell when things got hard, you could tell when things were great. You could hear it in the music. You can't in your voice. Right. Yes. And I think now fast forward to 2025, the things. I feel like all of it. I mean, I may, I'm sure I don't know everything you've ever done, but I heard a lot. Yeah. And I feel like you're almost always,

I mean, I wouldn't even say angry. I would just say forceful and energetic. Aggressive. Aggressive, which is kind of what I'm asking about. When you take away some of these things, they're the things that inspire aggression. It's harder to have that sound if you're rapping about how great your marriage is. Yeah. I think, you know, like now...

I still like aggressive music. I still deliver aggressive, but I found my voice in the sense of not the tone or the projection of it, but what I'm supposed to be saying and how I'm supposed to be saying it. I was very doubtful. I had a lot of doubt in my early records. I didn't know

I was trying to compete. I didn't really know what I was going for. I just knew the kind of music I liked to make, and I would just say what I thought, you know, sounded good. But now when you speak with purpose and you speak with drive and you speak with conviction, it feels different. It lands different. It feels good saying it. I hope you go to the style of the... I mean, again, no great expert, but, like, that's X. Just your...

is one of the greats of all time. Thank you, man. Thank you. Just for name-checking Walter Cronkite. Yeah. Yeah. But just that, is that Dr. Dre? Yeah, that was Dr. Dre and Scott Storch. Okay, because he has a very distinctive sound.

I would say he's the full specter of rap. Yes. We call him the chairman of the board. I'm sure you should. Quincy Jones of our generation. Yeah, absolutely. Because he just, I mean, that sound on that record, the same sound on Bitch Please, part two, the same sound on the one, the great one I love, that Mary J. Blige. I mean, normally not my favorite. Yeah. Not that I don't love songs about having your period, but...

Like, you know, Family Affair. Yeah, Family Affair. Absolutely. I bought the whole album. Yeah. And like, there's nothing else on that album that's like that. It's like the single and then a bunch of songs like, oh, this, but that one. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah.

Yeah, that sound is really, again, someone who's heart-throbbing. No, I mean, your ears don't lie to you, you know? I mean, and music touches your soul. And, you know, so the frequencies that Dre knows and that he produces with and he, you know, pushes through the board are extraordinary. You know, when Chronic first came out, you never heard a record sound like that.

And then, you know, it became this standard that people were trying to figure out how you made everything, you know, sound the way it was and everything. You could hear all these different sounds, but each sound had a specific place. It's crazy. It appeals to someone like me from my era.

Because it's melodic. Yes. And it's got that great beat. It's got something that, to me, it's the most sophisticated kind of style because it brings in me. Yes. Not all rap can. Just because, come on, a 70-year-old white guy? Yeah, yeah. You're 70? Next year. Oh, dude, you're fucking amazing. I'll finish your thought. Come on, man. Thank you. No, I'm serious. It's the weed. Yeah, yeah.

It's the weed and never getting married. That's what it is. I mean, kids are great, I'm sure. I hear. I hate them. But, I mean, even at best, you would have to admit, they do suck the life out of you. They do. They suck you of money, of time, of attention, of patience. Right? I mean, they just must suck the life out of you. I think that's what it is for me. Yeah, I was dad at 19.

My oldest was born at 19. Took you so long. Oh, yeah. Were you gay? No, no. 19? Yeah. I'm kidding. Yeah, and then, you know. Is that a boy or a girl? It's a boy. He's 28 now. Wow. Right, so. How do you relate? I was telling. Just like buddies now because he's a grown man? No, no, no. It's still very much father-son. Good.

Good. And I always tell him, you know, when he was old enough that we always grew up together. You know, we kind of grew up together. My father was a military guy. Oh, yeah? Yeah. So he was in the Marine Corps.

Hello. Yeah, and he did two tours in Vietnam, and then he met my mother at Michigan State, and then we... Oh, Michigan State. Yeah. Yeah, and then here we come, me and my sister. So, you know, my mother passed when I was nine. She passed, and then my dad kind of

Like, he got remarried, but it didn't really work. But for the most part, my dad raised me. So, you know, he was... Oh, yeah. Like a single dad? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, no, he was married, but then it kind of broke up. And then, you know, so it was me and him for a while. I bet he was strict. He was...

He was strict, but he was also, you know, doing the best he could with what he had. No, I'm not against strict. I always get along well with people who had military parents, including women. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, really. Yeah, yeah. I think it's because they're not brats. Right.

They just were not raised like other people. I wasn't coddled. Not coddled. Somebody slapped the snot out of them the first time they were like a brat. And sometimes you move around a lot when the parent is military. Right.

So, you know, you kind of have to learn manners because you're always the new kid. No, that was the standard. You know, respect, you know, being able to conduct yourself with some self-discipline. Right. You know, just a moral compass that a lot of my friends didn't have. Right. And so it was dope to be able to...

Had that relationship with him. It was kind of tight when we were kids. But then when I started making music and started doing shit with my life and, you know, he was worried about me, but we turned it around and did something, though. You know, so we had a really great relationship up until he passed. And so I have that relationship with my... There's always been boundaries and respect and, you know, I wasn't as hard on him as my dad was on me, but...

those principles are still there. And I believe that, you know, it had to happen that way. Yeah. I mean, he must be very proud. Yeah, he was. I mean, what do the kids say when you, who's your father? Exhibit. No, really.

Really? Come on. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's cooler than what most kids have to offer. Now, were you hoping he'll become a nepo baby? Oh, man. Come on. You know, he actually was doing music for a while. He still does music. But I told him he can't be a starving artist.

You have to work until your dreams come true. You can't just chase your dreams and just wing it. You know, you have to do something. And so because my kids aren't built like me. I was out there crash test dummy, you know, in the street. And so I don't want that for my children. I don't want them to experience that. I don't want them to have any parts of that. So they're going to have different challenges. And I welcome those, you know.

Yeah, because they're going to be nothing like the ones I had. Yeah, and kids need to be challenged. Absolutely. And they need to learn that failure happens. Yeah. You know, you only do them no favors when you prevent them from experiencing that all through childhood because it's going to happen at some point in life. At some point, you're not even going to be there. Right. But even before that, you know,

This just, I mean, look, I guess every generation looks back at the younger generation and says this. But by God, it just seems true that they just are not tough. No, they come from the immediate gratification, entitlement feeling. And I always tell my boys, my biggest fear is I leave this planet without success.

You all knowing how to provide for yourself. So you'll always be looking for a handout or help or push or I want you to be driven and I want you to follow through on things, you know, whether I help you or not. My job is to make sure that you know how to get up, lace up your fucking boots and get kicking at the day. You know, I try to show that by example, you know.

There's other ways I get around it, but I try to get the message where it's not forced. So does that point of view come through on the record? Absolutely. Really? Absolutely. I think there's a lot of mindless music out now. There's a lot of fluff. Always has been. Yeah, always has been. But now I think there's a direct concentration of what's focused on and what's available and assessable.

You know, when you go from people physically putting on clothes and jumping in their cars and going to a record store and picking up an album, having that physical experience with it has been changed. So now, you know, the scrolling, the able to pick through a record and, you know, really not have to leave.

you're whatever you're doing, you can kind of get any record in the world. And then it's all boiled down to this, you know, these couple of streaming services, squeezing out the mom and pop squeezing out the, that experience. So now, you know, you're boiled down to what's happening on your phone and a live experience. And, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's sad to the attention span of the audience is a lot shorter. And during the live show,

It's also the phone. Yeah, they were holding up the phone, not even having the experience that they paid to see. That to me is frightening. I watched the Taylor Swift concert because Nikki Glaser was here and she made me. She insisted. Yeah.

that I was missing something. Yeah. Spoiler alert, I am not. Yeah. But that doesn't mean I don't think she's, I'm a great admirer. I mean, just you've got to, just the level of success is just astounding. Right.

But so I watched it. No, I'm sorry. I don't get the music. But everybody, every song, when they show the crowd, when they pan out to the crowd, or when you see the crowd behind, it's almost all just through phones. I mean, you see the light in the phone. And I'm just thinking, well, we have kind of passed this AI point, right?

Ray Kurzweil wrote that book years ago, and he said 2028, I think, he called it the, I forget, the reckoning or something where it meant this is the moment when humans and machines sort of merge. Merge.

And we're kind of there in a lot of ways. You know, the phone is the sort of bridge to that moment. And look, we have machine parts in us already. But not that one. Not that one. So I've kind of watched this thing go from like a landline with a rotary phone, and then it turned into the handheld phone.

And then it turned into this, now, do you remember the brick mobile phones? Yes. Yeah, it was a big deal. And then that thing. And then there's the cell phone, but that's not a smartphone, a dumb cell phone. Right, the flip phones, the pagers. This thing has literally unplugged itself from the wall, crawled over to us.

and fucking connect it to us. And right now it's a physical connection because we can put it up and put it down. But now that thing is on. When it jumped to the Apple Watch, I was like, oh, they got us. But why? I don't. No, I mean, that's to me. No way. Fuck that. Oh, I'm going to check my watch to see what's on my phone? What the fuck? How many steps do you need to put in there?

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It's almost connected to their hand. I think they did a poll. Yes, I'm sure they did, because I think we did a joke about it, where like one in 10 Gen Z said they would like cut off a finger before they couldn't hold it or something like that. Like literally, we're moving toward that. And I think I told this story recently here, but forgive me if you know it. Somebody I know has a kid sister.

who first boyfriend, they're like 17, they go to sleep at night, not in the same bedroom, but with the phone on all night on like, you know, FaceTime. Okay. This is dumbest shit ever. To us it is, but to them it is not.

And just on the subject of moving toward this singularity, that's the name of the book, singularity, when we become one with the machines. And this guy was right about a lot of things, like when the Soviet Union would fall. And I think he's got it pretty close. You know, I mean, we are, and it could happen before then. Yeah.

We're talking about the chip, the processor? Just like, you know, it starts with a calculator. A calculator. I mean, we didn't have those when I was in school, but...

That's why you had to learn your multiplication. Right. And then you, now everybody has a, I mean, I don't think the kids can do it because they don't need to. Why would you? Right. You have it right there. You could just say, sorry, what's six times four? You know, whatever it is. But if I take your phone, you can't do shit. Right. But that's the singularity. You are singular.

I mean, that Google glasses are kind of that. Yeah, that's another thing, the watching the glasses. They're on us now. They're on you. Yeah. They're becoming part of you. Yes. And again, watching the concert, everybody, why can't they just watch Taylor Swift? Why do you need to see her through a phone? Because you've given up the ability, the choice to use your memory. Instead, this is better.

I don't have to remember it. Now I could just have it forever. Whoever fucking watches a concert back on their phone, nobody. Well, the thing is now, attention is the new drug, in my opinion. You're right. Attention is the new drug, and people want to be judged by their experiences and what they portray on Facebook and TikTok and IG. It's pretty interesting to see people have...

this life that they can project to the world. And then, you know, it may be a total different thing, but everybody wants to project the TV show. It's like everybody's on a Truman Show now, you know? Like, literally. Like, people get up to post themselves and show. I can't do that. I don't, even though I do music and I go do things for entertainment, I don't like the attention. Yeah, we're from a different era where we want this entertainment

Bright wall between public and private right they don't right and

Like, I want to say goodnight and then go in the door and, like, not have it on, you know? Take off my super suit. Right? Yeah. Yeah. No, they don't get that. That's not even desirable. Right. Which is why sometimes that generation doesn't fight for free speech, for privacy, because the great sin is not losing privacy.

The great sin is losing publicity. Hell yeah. Everything needs to be projected. I hate that. I think it's weird. I don't want to know. You know what I'm saying? Like people splurting all kinds of personal shit on me. I hate that. You know what I'm saying? Do you think your kids have been captured by that mentality? I think...

I think my youngest spends a lot of time on that kind of stuff. But his whole friends circle are in that. And it's tough. It's tough because I know there's going to be a lot of

deprogramming that needs to happen once he grows out of that. Yeah. Well, I think you're the man to do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm here to do it. You are the man to do it. Yeah, yeah. I will be. No, I know you will. Yeah. And you're not married? Oh, take a big hit on that one. You're not. You are. I am in the middle, or no, I'm at the end of a very rough divorce. Oh, God.

Yes. Is there any other kind? It's rough. It's been going on for four years. That is a long time. Yeah. You don't get to. I don't think you really know somebody until you divorce them.

What a great line. No, really. How did nobody ever say that before? And I've never been married, but that so rings true because I sure have lived through divorces with every male friend I've ever had and some of the female. Don't know. But you don't know somebody until you do it. Yeah. Did you ever see the movie Marriage Story?

It was a Netflix movie. It's with Adam Driver. Yes, yes, I did see that. Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson. I mean, I thought it was brilliant. It really should be called Divorce Movie because it's about a couple that's married, and then as soon as the movie starts, they seem happy at first, and then the divorce starts. And, you know, it all starts...

And I feel the movie rang true with people because it's the way it is. It starts with, okay, once you get over the, we're splitting up, then they go through this phase of let's be civil about it. And little by little, it's a back and forth, you know, they get a lawyer who blah, blah, blah. And then, oh, okay, well, if you're going to fight that way until they have that scene, it's one of the most riveting scenes I've ever seen in a movie.

Where it just builds over 10 minutes. They're divorced and she comes over to his apartment, which of course he doesn't really want to be living in a small apartment, but he has to because of the settlement. And it starts out very simple. And can you take the kids on this weekend? Oh, I would, but blah, blah, blah. And it just builds to, I fucking want to, you know, the most nastiest. I hope you get hit by a bus. And, uh,

Not that I needed another reason not to get married, but when I saw that, it's like that people can be that bad to each other. And, you know, I think, you know, when things go out the window and boundaries are crossed and, you know, saying things you can't come back from, you know, it sucks. You know what I'm saying? I don't know.

if I'd ever get married again, you know? I am with someone, but not married, you know? I think that's safe to say. You know, if you fuck with me, you'll be in the will. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you'll be there. Ashes to ashes. Yeah. Well... Like, I mean, fuck it. I'm going to know at that point. You know, the next line in that hook you sang there...

Was like, wasn't it about shooting with puff? Yes. Yes. Whatever happened to him?

What's he doing now, Puff Daddy? Puff Daddy? Yeah. But that's who you were referring to, right? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, the nightclub shooting where Shine and what's that? I call it a bathroom misunderstanding. I don't know if we need to call it a nightclub shooting. Like, I was online. I thought it was the other line. It happens all the time. Nightclubs are funny, Blaine. He's a...

He's got quite a bit going on. Did you ever go to one of those parties? Well, it's a yes or no question, sir. Well, okay, so look, I was invited, and I was there for like an hour, and then I had to leave. Because? Well, I just, you know, it was, I think it was the person I came with. Okay.

So, you know, it didn't work out. It ended up being a good thing. We were in and out of there. Yeah, I guess you don't know someone until you've been to a freak-off. I mean, that's not as good as your thing about divorce. Yeah, yeah. No, it's true. You know, you get to know. You don't really. We all live in a very high civilization, especially if you look through history. I mean, my God. Right.

people take for granted everything we have. I mean, the phone, we're mocking it, but I mean, it is a pretty amazingly great thing when you want to order food or just call somebody or just texting. I think about all the time I wasted in my life having to make a phone call and then chit-chat before you eat. Yeah, you get a bullshit for like 10 minutes and then you get to the point and then another 10 minutes to talk about shit and...

It was like what you had to do with your drug dealer. Yeah. You know, you had to like pretend. I know exactly what you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, shit. Absolutely correct. When I was first out of college, starting my life in the clubs as a comedian, barely getting on stage, certainly not making any money from it, I was a pot dealer. I lucked into a connection. Yeah.

Was it with that pressed, the pressed stuff, or was it like buds? Pressed? I never, there was one time, when I was a pot dealer in college, that's where I got

our dealer, the college dealer. Yeah. He once got us Acapulco gold. Wow. I mean, we sold whatever he sold us. Right. We were the lowest man on the totem pole. But, you know, I went from never smoking to selling it in six months because it was the only way I could afford it. It'll do that. I remember buying a pound and then dividing it into 17. Mm.

I see what you did there. I would call that the head tag. Yeah. So who's going to weigh their thing? So it's a little less. Right, right. But it was a great business. But Acapulco gold came in a brick. I can see it. And it was gold. It was gold. And I've tried to find it ever since and could never. And it was gold.

Yes. I mean, it was awesome. It was light. There was something about Acapulco Gold. Yeah. So if anyone out there would like to contact me, but why don't we ever see Acapulco Gold? I think those, I mean, you got to think back in the day, you know, they had sativas and whatnot when they started crossbreeding them. And then, remember, it was just stress and chronic. That was the only two types of weed.

especially out here in California. Then the Kush came along, and that was the first one with a name. And then it became all these other things. I think that when people started growing indoors and really cultivating and going, that became like the boutique. That became like the top tier. And so the press weed that was getting sent over from, you know, wherever it was coming from, you know,

It just, it seeks to, the taste, the people didn't want that. I was stressed that we don't want that. You know, so eventually it phased out because now the more they produced the indoor and people, that was up for demand, it kind of squeezed out the bullshit strains. All right, well, there was nothing bullshit about Acapulco Gold. Ha, ha, ha.

I really feel there should be like a section. What am I saying? I own a pot store. Okay, I'm going to get this done tomorrow. Find the strength. Somebody has it somewhere. Well, I think there should be a whole movement toward like pot classic. Tie stick, another pot classic. Yeah.

Remember this strain from 1978? The Bee Gees were on the charts, and people were smoking... Red Herring. Right. Panama Red. That's another one. Panama Red. Yeah, that's real. Acapulco Gold. Yes. And Tie Stick.

I remember the tie stick came with a little string around it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It was like, oh. I never got into that. It didn't work for me. I was just like, eh. Tie stick? Yeah. Maybe somebody gave me some bullshit because I just never had a great experience with it. Right. I don't remember it being special. I remember the Acapulco gold being special. Yeah. So then when I got out of college, I was first living in New York. I just lucked into a high school friend introduced me.

I don't know. I don't know why. I can't remember why. But this guy who lived in Connecticut, and I think his brother or something must have been in the mob, and got him for free. Because it was a really great price. And I would take the train from Grand Central to...

Up to Connecticut, a town, a very tony town in Connecticut. I won't say which one. Get off at the train station. I was carrying a briefcase, which I was going to take the two pounds of pot back in. Stupidly, like I was dressed like the bum I was and had this like businessman's briefcase thinking I wouldn't stick out.

And I would walk from the train station. It was like a mile and a half to his house. And I would just really want to get the pot, give him my... Hey, turn around and go. But you had to make the conversation. He was a nice guy. Well, what did he want to talk about? He was kind of a hippie. He had a wife who was kind of like busting his balls for smoking too much pot. I remember once...

She was like, he was like saying to her, she was like standing in the kitchen. It's like, I swear to God, I haven't had any today. And she said, I can see it on your teeth. Like it's stuck up.

So you got to watch Edith and Archie go back and forth. No, but I'm just saying, you're a pretty big pothead if they can see it on your teeth. But you did have like a little, like at the end of that, something like ash or some shit. It was like, you know, I can see the pot. But that kind of saved my bacon in those early years. You know, I mean, I needed, the only way I could have had even the shitty apartment I had was,

Because comedians don't make money, right? I'm sure nobody. No, I mean, it's the same thing. What did you make, mixtapes at first? No, I never made a mixtape. Really? And I never made a demo. When I came here, I was born in Detroit. I lived in New Mexico, Albuquerque, for like seven years. Wow. And then from there, I came to California. And when I got to California, that's where I first met

King T and the Alcoholics, they were the first people I met with record deals. Wait, who? King T and the Alcoholics. Oh, not actual Alcoholics. No, no, no. No, it's a group called the Alcoholics. That's putting your tits on the glass. Yeah.

Okay, I'll take a shot for that. All right, salute. Oh, great to see you. Yeah, absolutely. Here you go. Salute. Okay. Thank you so much for coming by. I was so looking forward to this all week. Oh, yeah.

And I don't know where it was when I... I feel like the only other time I saw you was when I told you about the thing I told you about tonight, you know, that I used your line there. And I don't know when that was, but that probably was almost 20 years ago or something. I mean... And we're still here, man. Knock wood. I don't know. It's still early tonight. I mean, yeah, but, you know, like, I...

wouldn't trade even this age because I'm just smarter and don't make so many stupid mistakes. And that makes up, I think, I don't know, if I could spend a day in my 30-year-old body, maybe I'd be like, oh, no, I forgot how awesome it is to do. But I don't feel like I basically do anything crazy.

that differently than I ever did. You know, I still run around and stuff that may end tomorrow or something, and I'm sure I don't run as fast. Yeah, yeah. But the bigger difference, I feel, is in my mind. Yes. You know, and you're just so stupid. Yeah. You're just so stupid. Yeah, wasted a lot of time, resources, just, you know. Wasted time, bad decisions. Oh, horrible decisions. Yeah.

But those are the best ones, though. You know what I'm saying? Especially if you can learn from them. I don't know what you're saying. Every choice comes with an invoice, right? Great line. Yeah, so we have to understand that, you know, my dad used to tell me you have to suffer the natural and logical consequences for your behavior. And I knew some of these things I wasn't supposed to be doing.

But it was like, I'm going to try it because I might have a different outcome. He don't know what he's talking about. After about 150,000 of those, oh, he knew what he was talking about. You kind of like fall into, you know, a different type of mind state. Now, when you first touch money, like when I first touched money, I did all the things right.

Exactly the opposite of what I was supposed to do. We ain't got a car. We ain't got a watch. We ain't got a chain. We ain't got this and that. For the appearance of success, without actually being in the black, you know? Right. Yeah, and so it was a learning curve. Everybody does it. Everybody does it. I mean... Yeah. And also...

Somebody once said this, and I keep trying to remember who the celebrity was, but whoever he is out there, please tell me. Somebody said, when you become famous, you get a year to act like an asshole.

Now, I may have taken two. I may have taken ten. You know what I'm saying? I may have done ten. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I may have too. Rocket fuel. You know, people understand. Like, that shit is great. It's a great feeling. It is a great feeling. Yeah.

Also, there's sometimes some bitterness because of who held you back or didn't believe in you. There's a little chip on your shoulder about, oh, you didn't let me in this club. Mm-hmm.

You know, now you have to. Yeah, exactly. Not that, I mean, I never started any shit. Yeah. I mean, I wasn't in the club with Puff. Yeah, yeah. How about the bus? Me either. It was a great line, you know. It was. But you weren't there that night. No, hell no. Yeah, no. You were just friendly. I've actually been kind of unscathed. As a hip-hop artist, there can be a lot of crash landings.

But I've relatively been really true to character, and that speaks volumes and allows me to walk in a lot of doors. And I haven't had a lot of that kind of stuff. Once I'd left that stuff behind as a kid and I got into a professional setting, some people don't know how to read the room.

- They sure don't. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was able to understand that my environment was changing. These people don't, you know, you can't, we're not here on the block, you know what I'm saying? Like we're here to do business and make sure that we are building something. - You have to grow age-wise with your audience. Your core audience is aging.

The audience that you started with when they were very young, they want to love you because there's an emotional connection when you connect at that young age. The first song you got laid to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's always going to be... You party with your friends to this. This is what you saw. This was on your ringtone. This is what you grew up with. This is part of your DNA. And I get that. But I also, when making this record, I wanted to not only...

have a transfer of information. These are the ideals. These are the self-discipline. These are the motives. These are, you know, the way I operate, the moral compass I use. All this is kind of built into the album, calling it Kingmaker. So now I'm handing this over to people who are willing to listen. And now you can do with it what you will.

And that's the image behind Kingmaker. It has nothing to do with me sitting on the throne or feeling like a royalty. Like, this is, like, serious. Yeah. That's not what a Kingmaker is.

Right. That's the king. Right. The king maker. Yeah. You know, that's the guy behind the throne. But that's what I'm saying. I think the listener is who I'm trying to empower. Right. So that's why I said, here are the tools, you know. I don't want to be king, you know. I want to be a soldier. Soldiers kill kings. So explain this to me as someone who maybe should know this, but I'm just, you know,

I love that I can talk to you as frankly as I can. Like, I don't get the Kendrick Lamar-Drake feud. What I don't get is, like, what? Why? Should I stop? No. What? What's so funny? I feel like you're laughing at me. No. Ah!

With me? Near me? Yes. You're laughing near me. I'm laughing with you. Okay. All right. I just think it's the way that you work. I was expecting like that was a left turn like a motherfucker. When I told HBO I was doing a podcast, they asked. They said, it'd be nothing like real time. I will never plan anything. And I've lived up to that pledge. Believe me. Okay. What don't you understand about it? Okay. So I figured why I brought it.

to my mind, but whatever you said, what I don't understand is, okay, Kendrick Lamar, I'm not going to pretend that I really know his music at all. Understood, yeah. That's not kind of like the kind that I was describing. I think that's more melodic, you know. Okay. Uh,

So, but what I get is that, you know, he's sort of the great tribune of social justice at the moment. Like, he's taking more, he's more serious. He won a Nobel Prize. Right. Right. Okay, so he's not rapping about the booty. I'm sure they're not going to give you a Nobel Prize for, you know. Booty raps. Booty raps. Am I right?

Am I wrong about that? You're absolutely correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was like, okay, here's this great Nobel Prize winning poet of social justice, but his obsession is to have a fight with another rapper. If social justice is really that big an issue. That is a super, that is such a super look at,

the perception that, that, that, that is from where you're at. Right. Okay. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to figure out how to explain this to you in the, in the best way you can understand it. Okay. Okay. So, so, um, there's, uh, Drake is, is, is, is, um, the empire, right?

Okay. And Kendrick is Luke Skywalker. That was Damon and Goliath. I know very little about Star Wars. I'm telling you right now. Okay, fuck. Okay. There's a Democrat and a Republican.

I get it that Drake is sort of the softer one. No, I wouldn't say softer. I think that... Well... I would explain it like this. Drake was, for a decade, if not more, arguably the largest...

Oh, yes. Yeah, I know. His presence in the music and the world, it was huge. And did not he also, even more important perhaps, change...

what was fashionable in rap made it a little more emo. Uh, yeah, yeah. He brought a lot of, he, he, he, he, he, he made a lot of records for women and, you know, those ballads and, and keeping that fan base young and energized. And, you know, like he, he, um, he, he became really, you know, uh, a different guy from the, the way he started. Right. Well,

Was he a certified lover boy or was that grandfathered? I have no idea about what he's doing with his boy. No, that don't sound right. But I don't know what he's doing. But I never saw anything that proved he was a pedophile. There's been no court. There's been nobody brought any cases against him. Obviously, it's possible, especially in the music industry, but I guess it's possible for anybody. Right.

And so maybe it's well-known within the industry. There's a clip of him talking to a 14-year-old girl on the stage, and that was suspect. On the stage? On the stage. And we hear what he's saying? Yeah, you hear what he's saying. What is it? Come back to my room? No, I wouldn't say that.

Well, we heard it. What is it? I don't remember what it is. I just know that's where that comes from, that clip. And then he was talking to... It must have been something. I don't think it was, what are your opinions on the Donbass? No, no, I just don't. It was something that made your eyebrow raise. Okay. Right? And then he was talking to the Millie Bobby Brown girl about relationship shit. And, you know, it's just...

you know and people like to run with things right so really it started from you know a feature you know and and they they and we'll probably never know that when jab started or whatever but it boiled over into this thing where it became this david and goliath moment and what you're seeing and why people are celebrating it so much is that this big huge machine

And, you know, and this this so-called, you know, rapper from Compton that that that that yes, he has success, but he's not as big as. No, but hardly David. Right. Right. Well, I mean, compared to what would the way you view. Sure. Right. Right.

And the perception. Again, this is all about opinion. Everyone's always rooting for the rebel against the mainstream guy. Somebody has to be the man. Somebody has to be the establishment. Or else it's no fun. You know, who are you going to shake your fist at? But it just seemed... But it blew up and it turned into something that, you know... Well, it blew up because he kept taking revenge.

And he would never stop singing it. No. And he sang it at the Super Bowl. And like, you know, it's just, I thought, well, he's definitely not going to sing it at the Super Bowl. He made his point.

No, he did that shit. Oh, I understand. But I thought he would say to himself, you know, I've made my point. It's just going to look like overkill. But no, it was like, let's have some overkill. Okay, again, I would not want to be someone who, if I was innocent of this crime, because it's a pretty serious thing to level at somebody. You kind of have to really know for sure, don't you? No. No.

Are you kidding? I'm not kidding. Hold on. No, I understand. Pedophile? But no, no, listen. Listen. This is a rap battle.

Yes. This is not, you know, testimony or deposition. You know, this is a fucking rap battle. I'm going to talk about your mama. I'm going to talk about your daddy. I'm going to talk about your children. I'm going to talk about everything. I'm going to talk about your grandma's wooden leg. I'm going to talk about your missing teeth. Right. It's all game. Right. So, you know, like.

We're pretty savvy enough to say if there was something weird going on, then there would definitely be people that would come forward and testify and do that. And then people would be charged for that. But when you're playing the dozens, and I give you one that hurts your feelings, don't be the guy who wants to fight because I got a good joke.

You know what I'm saying? That's quite a joke. Wow. Right, right. But I mean, I think when you're in a rap battle, the option is to either bow out gracefully or to come back with something harder.

Right? So you're saying we're not for the suit? No, there's no suing it. Well, Drake sued his own record company. Yeah, I understand. But he's basically saying that you did something for someone else that you used to do for me, and here's how I know. Say that again? You're doing the same thing that you're doing for him you used to do for me, and I'm blowing the whistle now. I see. Yeah. You're boosting this and boosting that. What I mean...

I think. But there's that, that's not true. Like the world loves that song, you know? Okay, but does it not, my question is, does it not leave one with the impression that maybe things aren't so bad if we can divert our attention to this seemingly internecine battle?

between two rappers that really is, you know, just performing. It's just, it was like people get into it all the time in hip hop, but that was significant because now we have this thing, this, this, this thing in hip hop. It was like, you know, is it skill over success? Is it the, is it, is it the money versus the, the, the, the culture?

These things have never had the opportunity to clash because it was always overshadowed by the profit, by the money that was made. So it didn't matter what your opinion was. But now we have somebody that really doesn't, you know, live in the same lane. They're big. But is it culture versus, you know, capitalism? Is it?

Is it real hip-hop, quote-unquote, versus commercial hip-hop? It was like a heavyweight fight. So will there be further...

publicity hate to be made out of a rapprochement? Listen, don't you think? I think the people that, that, that turn into that tune into, you know, part two and part three of different boxing matches, the, as long as if they keep going at each other, what I'm pretty sure to be subliminally and on and on and on, you know, and, and,

And hopefully, you know, it stays entertainment. You know, whatever lawsuit, whatever, that's new territory for me. I've never seen that before. I'm anxious to see how it pans out as well. You know, but why introduce that to the

to the gladiator arena. You know, like, come on, dude. People do like gladiators. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're in a fight, bro. They just remade the movie. Yeah, yeah. They did. I mean, that's what most movies are some variation. Yeah, yeah. Why are they remaking all of the classics? Like, I would love to see something new. But then, you know, you see it on Netflix and it's like, shh.

Same thing happened to music when CDs were bootlegged. I mean, I feel like I remember a record of yours where you-- and this is really a long time ago, 20-- again, that 20-year period-- where you were saying hip hop is hollow. Yes. And OK, so what year was that?

It was like back the way it was. Back to the way it was. Back to the way it was. Yes, yes, yes. Back to the way it was. And it was like, I feel like you said hip hop was hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was the theme of it, which is so...

Why? Because I feel like that's when it got harder. You can hold your breath till you're blue in the face, but you can never, ever take my place. Yes. Yes, I remember that. Because right now, hip-hop is hollow with no substance. X-Men with the roughness could suck some time, and many of us, the way we act, we even lost our minds. Yes, I remember that.

So what's your feeling on that 20 years on? Was that of that moment, or did you get it back? I feel like I'm a hip-hop purist. And when I say purist, I mean I believe in the five elements of hip-hop. I believe in graffiti, breakdancing, MC, DJ. I...

I've never heard that there were five. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's one more. There's one more. I'm tripping. Hot. Yeah, fashion. How ironic. The one we forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of those things. Weed is pretty important. Absolutely. It's part of the culture. But weed has been part of music forever, right? Like, even the blues, the jazz singers. Oh, sure. Like, yeah, they all had a relationship. Well, that's not forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if Mozart was. Yeah, he probably got high. No.

He was kind of crazy to begin with. Yeah, yeah. But they used to do cocaine freely back then. You know what I'm saying? It was like medicine. I don't think in Europe in the 17th century they were doing cocaine. I could be wrong. Maybe the blow got into Europe, but I don't think so. Because I think it was always... They didn't have cocaine. Well, I don't think it was grown in the Middle East. Yeah.

Maybe they had like opium or something. Yes. No, they had, well, different things. Well, first of all, in Islam, you know, drug use, you don't go to rehab. You go to piracy. There's no in between. Very harsh. But in Africa, East Africa, I think mostly they copped.

Do you ever hear that? It's K-H-A-T, cot. Yeah. It's a lot like cocaine. Like they give it to the soldiers to chew before they go into battle, gonna get you. You know, like cocaine in the same sense of if you just chew the cocoa leaf, it's not the kind of high we know from cocaine. Right. You know, it's cool, but it's not that shitty, buzzy...

Thank God I wasn't a cocaine addict because you definitely don't want to have to talk to the cocaine dealer. The pot dealer is bad enough, but not the one on cocaine. You'll be there for three hours. But no, they, they,

I mean, every part of the world, yes, I think has something that makes you high. You know, I mean, the Romans said wine, women, and song. And I think sex, drugs, and rock and roll is like 2,000 years later. Yeah, they go hand in hand. And music has always been there, you know? Yes. I'd have to...

I don't know what to do with myself. Find something to do if I couldn't have music in my life. I think a lot of people feel the same way. We all like different kinds of music. But it's rare to find that person who doesn't like any music. Wow. Don't you think? Those are scary people. They probably kick pets and shit. Yeah. Or they're people who don't like dogs, which I don't understand. They're people who really don't laugh. Trump does not laugh.

Like, he makes people laugh. Sometimes intentionally. I'm trying to think. Have I ever seen him laugh? I don't know. I have not. Like, really laugh? Like a belly laugh, like a gut laugh. Like any laugh. Yeah. I don't feel like I've ever seen Donald Trump laugh. Maybe he has, but he's kind of like, you know, you can get a broad smile out of him. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I just don't think...

I'm not saying that. Look, there could be people like that who are nothing like him. And that is not my issue with Donald Trump. But it is indicative. It just is funny. And then there are people who laugh a little. Of course, as a comedian, you know, you know a lot of these types who like

They laugh a little and then tell you a better joke. Yeah. Leno's that way. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Yeah. And then he's got, you know, always has a better topping joke. Yeah. But, no, I think laughing people. Trump has also never done pot or liquor. Never had a drink. Wow. Never had a drink. Yeah. Maybe that's connected to the laughing thing. I don't know.

But look, I can't... Like he's never like had a like... No, his brother was... Died of alcoholism. I mean, you had alcohol problems, didn't you? Didn't you like have a drinking thing? I think, you know, being able to...

I moderate and, yeah, I used to party a lot when I was younger. Oh, so did I. Yeah, but I mean, that's kind of like where the self-discipline thing comes back in. You know, it's, first of all, getting up there in age. Can't, you know, I don't bounce back the way I used to. It doesn't feel the same. And there's no reason to...

really drink unless you have a reason to celebrate. That's the problem with having a young body is that it takes so much punishment. Absolutely. So you can just do the stupidest thing. Yeah, yeah. I was running into brick walls with my fucking body. You know what I'm saying? Literally, you mean? No, no. I'm just saying, like, it was some long nights, days that ran into each other. Kids do things like that. Do you know what the latest TikTok challenge is? No. Dropping something super heavy on your foot.

I'm not joking with you. Because they can. Because if we did it, I mean, if I stubbed my toe, I'm mad at myself for a week. But I'm not going to do it to get people to click on my fucking TikTok. I'm not going to injure myself. The Idiocracy movie is coming to life more and more and more and more every fucking day. Isn't that movie great? It's awesome. It's scary. It's so on the money.

It's scary because I see it happening. And President was played by Terry Crews. Ah, Terry Crews. Oh, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right. And he's a great guy, by the way. Oh, okay, okay, so look, so look. He's the president, come on, Joe. I'm stoned, too, because I think Tiny was the president in a different movie. You want some? Oh.

Now, that was Michael Douglas in The American President. Very similar, but... Oh, yeah. What movies do you watch? What's your diet of when you want to chill out or when you're watching with your girl?

What do you watch? I watch Netflix and show or HBO. HBO, babe. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of good series, but then when I want to go find a movie, I watch the Indiana Jones franchise. I like Spielberg. I like that era of directing and the way those films. The Indiana Jones series for sure.

I watched a lot of that when I was growing up. The lighting, the story, the... It felt like you're watching a hi-fi version of the old way things, you know, that time stamp, you know? I watched a movie, you know, I'm always... I watch movies, like, in the bathtub and in the kitchen. Yeah. Like...

I used to watch cable news, and I'm so much happier not having – it's not that I don't keep up on the news, but just – I'm sorry. It depresses me. Yeah, yeah. But movies, it's just – and I was watching one that I remember I saw in the theater in 2005, because I recall who I was watching it with.

And it's the, I can't remember the name of it, but it's Jennifer Aniston and Clive Owen. Derailed. Derailed. Yes. What are your memories of that? There's so many. Really? You were not the hero, as I recall. I was not the hero. So I got, okay, so I got two great stories about that film. Really? First of all, that was... It's entertaining. Yeah, the...

It is. That was, that was, my father went with me to London to shoot that. We shot that at George Lucas Studios. Oh, really? Right. And it was dope because that was the first time he got to travel with me to a movie set. So I'll always remember this. But on, there's, there's, there's,

That's also because we were filming on George Lucas' set. It was like somebody came over, wanted to take a picture with me, and brought me a lightsaber. And I still have that fucking thing. You know what I'm saying? It was like one of the practice ones that they used. Even I know what that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so first day of shooting, I am...

in a scene and it's the scene where I'm supposed to be beating Jennifer Aniston up on the couch. Right? And, you know, it's the first scene of the day. Wow. And Brad Pitt is in the room. Oh, they were married. Yeah, he was in the room. Oh, wow. I'm tense just listening to the story. And so, and action.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, uh. But you must have rehearsed it. Yeah, no, it's fucking Jennifer Aniston. So, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, bro, I'm not. But you did rehearse it. Yeah, yeah, we did rehearse it, but it was like, you know, I was, you know. Now they have intimacy coordinators.

But no, but, but, but then, but then the story gets a little better. So, so, so then, uh, the director says, comes over to me, says, you know, she's full on crying. And like, this is like going against all, I'm like, I'm fresh into acting. You okay? Like, like this ain't something I'm doing all the time. Right. And so like, as I'm doing these movies, like this is a strange thing for me. So, um,

So now the director comes over and she looks up to me. She has tears. She's full on in, right? She's like, it's okay. You can get rough. I'm like, oh, fuck. I'm like, oh, fuck. Oh, fuck. You know what I'm saying? And so he's like, okay, yes, you bitch. You must say bitch. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, oh, shit. Okay, let me channel my inner Ike. You know what I'm saying? This story is fraught with problems.

problematic tension in every possible way. So we do the scene and then, you know, that's what's in the movie. And then, and then it was, it was like, that was my first day on that set. So I'll never forget it. The second, the second thing I remember about that, about that movie was my, um,

My dad was on set one day, and it was the scene where we had to get in a fight at the end of the movie. We were running up and down the halls, and we fight in the room. And then Clive Owen pulls out a gun and shoots me, like, at the end of the fight. And so I have these squibs on, like, a chest full of squibs. It takes about, you know, 40 minutes to set these things up. So...

Quiet on set. First shot. Everybody's pumped. Everybody's ready to go. Okay. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Hit the door. We're fighting. Do, do, do, do, do. Pulls a gun. I'm on the ground. Dead silence. My dad. Oh, how unfortunate. You're kidding. No. He said those words? Exactly.

Well, that was better than the movie. Oh, oh, oh. That's fucking awesome. So then it's quiet again. Cut. Who the fuck was that? Who the fuck was that? And so my dad was like, oh, that's like, dad, you cannot. This is going to talk to your father.

So he yelled at the screen before it was even on the screen. Yes. Oh, how unfortunate. And I'm still in it. So I'm like, oh, my God. Dad. But did it ruin the take? It did. So we had to reset.

Then we did the scene. It was good. It was good. Well, I can't tell you what a pleasure it is to get to know you. Every time, man. Every time. So I hope you will come back to this place, whether the cameras are on or not. I will. Do you live in this area? I go back and forth between Vegas and here. Vegas? Yeah. Yeah. Oh.

Yeah, we had a fire here. I don't know if you heard. And I thought, next time there's a fire, I'm going to Vegas. Really? Yeah, because, like, I know people who, you know, we're going to Palm Springs or whatever. And it's like, okay, well, good luck getting a hotel when everybody's bugging out. Also, I love Palm Springs. I've been there many times. But, you know...

It's nothing to do. It's a million degrees, and it's only gay people and old people. I mean, I love both. I love both groups of people. But Vegas? I was like, oh, no. You know what? If I had to cool my heels in Vegas for a week...

I think I could do that. Yeah, yeah. It's not bad. There's shit to do there. Yeah, you got to stay off the strip. Stay out the fucking casinos. No, that's where I would be. What are you talking about? Why would... I might as well go to Palm Springs. Yeah, okay. But eventually that gets old.

Well, great restaurants don't get old. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't go to the club. Yeah. I'm not going there, but, you know, there are, man, I was at, Bruno Mars has a club there. Yeah. You know that? Yeah, I do. It's like a lounge, right? Yes. It's great because- Do one more of these, would you? Yes, because Vegas needs-

More things like that. Things that are not exactly the big shows, which are great. But have the experience of like. But later at night. But that's not a nightclub. Right. I'm not going to a nightclub with a zillion decibels. Oh, my God. Are you crazy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. And this was plenty loud. But you could talk.

And it was like a great live band. And it played like stuff from all eras. You know, it wasn't just

That kind of stuff is what I, and you're not, you know, you're not going to get that everywhere. No, you know, it's good, you know. But why do you live in Vegas? Oh, just, you know, just needed the space, really. You know, just getting away from. But you could have picked San Bernardino. Well, it was better to go all the way to Vegas. I'm not going to be depressing on this. Yeah. But come on, man. What?

I mean, if you go to Vegas, of all the places you could go, I think you want to be near the Strip sometimes. No, no, no, no. I've had my time on the Strip. I mean, it is. I've had my time on the Strip. Don't get it wrong. It's fun. Well, yeah, but I mean, it's time to work. All right. Yeah, it's time to work. Well, next time I'm in Vegas, we'll stay off the Strip. Yeah.

No. Bill, I will go hit the strip with you. Yes. No problem. We're going to hit the strip. Let's do it. Great. Thank you. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. All right. Exhibit, everybody. The new album drops when? March 29th. March 29th. Yeah. Is it February that has 28 days? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it, man. That was so much fun. Yeah, absolutely. So much fun. Yeah.

And Woody Harrelson? Yes, I do. I do. I want to come by the woods, man. All right.

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