Are Online Friends REAL Friends? | Trash Taste #28
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- Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. It's a little darker than usual 'cause one of our lights decided to yeet out as we used it earlier. - Just randomly, yeah. - Just started strobing and it was not a pleasant feeling. So it's a little darker than normal, but don't worry about it. It's audio only listeners. - Luckily none of us have photosensitive epilepsy 'cause that was like dangerous shit, man. - Yeah, that was strobing like crazy. - Yeah, it was full on strobing. So we're very lucky that none of us suffered from that. But anyway, boys, how are you doing today? - I'm doing all right. - I'm feeling very energized right now. - Why is that? - I don't know, just am.

I had Mexican, no, I didn't have Mexican food. I had Thai food and my stomach was dying. And I thought I was gonna die.

And then I went to the toilet and now I feel like a 10. - Thai food does do that to you. - You took two shits in the span of an hour. That's pretty remarkable. - I'm not proud of it, Joey. - It happens, man, don't worry. You know that curry place near our house, literally every time I come home after that, I immediately have to take a shit. And then I wake up in the middle of the night and I have to take another shit. - It's unfortunate being a white guy who loves spicy food 'cause my body does not agree with it, but I love the taste of it and I suffer the next day.

- I feel like being white, being Southeast Asian, being anything, your body just doesn't love spicy food. - Oh really? You get that as well? - No, I can handle spicy food, but my stomach doesn't like it. Like every time I fucking like chow down on a massive fat Indian, right? It's like a ticking time bomb, okay? I know- - Why do you describe it like a fat Indian? - Strongest Indian.

- It's a fucking massive thing. - You never just have like a small- - I've never ordered Indian food and been like, man, that was just too little. - It's gotta be a fat curry, you know what I mean? And it's a fucking ticking time bomb.

I know, 'cause there's a local Indian place I order from, then they do it like proper spicy. And depending on what time of the day I eat it in, like there's a timer where I have to wait six hours and I'm just like gonna be like, okay, this hour I'm gonna be just like incapacitated on the toilet. That's just the way it's gonna be. And like sometimes when I have it for dinner, I'm just like, oh no, I'm gonna wake up at like 3:00 AM sometimes because my stomach just needs to go now.

- Man, I was gonna say, I hope you're enjoying this podcast guys. We're first 10 minutes talking about violent shits. - I just thought you, it's very relatable content. Hashtag relatable. - Hashtag painful shit. - Hashtag relatable, tick a painful shit. - Question, do you think it's weird that we like listen to ourselves often? Like, 'cause we have to hear our voice all the time. - Yeah. - Do you think that's weird? - I mean, it was weird when we first started off, right?

- People at home, have you ever listened to your voice recorded? You probably hate it, right? I'm assuming, right? - I've never grown out of that. - Yeah, you're still, if anyone should be grown out of it, it's you. - I hate looking at my own, like hearing my own voice, looking at my own content. Like whenever I do a collaboration with someone, I watch like the bare minimum just to get what's going on. And then like, I watch every moment of that collab that I'm not in.

- I'm just like, oh, I'm in it, skip, skip ahead. Ah, okay, okay. - You're like in the comments, timestamps please of when I'm not on screen. Wait, so why though? Like why can you like, I mean, okay, maybe it's the better question to ask, why can we stand our own voice? 'Cause that's probably the weirdest. - Probably because you just got used to it, right? I mean like, I don't think anyone grew up, right, and like,

ever went into that situation. I'm sure every family had it where your parents would just be like, you know what? There's nothing really to watch. Oh, I found some home videos. We can watch those. And you're like, no, thank you. 'Cause I don't know. I always fucking hate it when my parents would play home videos in front of me. - Oh yeah, same. 'Cause it was me being a fucking idiot. - But it's also like, I used to have like a fucking squeaker voice when I was like five years old. I legitimately used to sound like, hi,

I legit used to have that voice. And my dad would always fucking rag me on me like, "Man, your balls really dropped all of a sudden, didn't they?" And I fucking hated that. Because when you're a kid, you're not aware that you have that voice. - No. - Right? - 'Cause everyone has the same voice around you. - Exactly, exactly. And you grow with your voice. So you don't suddenly be like, "Oh, my voice got deeper."

- Unless it's like a really rapid growth. - Yeah, yeah. - Where you just like, your balls just fucking dropped. - Yeah, I thought when it happened, I thought it was gonna go back. I thought I was sick or something. - Right. - And everyone at school didn't believe me. - But that's because your balls dropped like a fucking cannon ball, right? Like mine kind of dropped, yeah. Mine kind of dropped like, you know, like putting like a rock in water. It's just a very slow drop. - That's a very slow joke. - Well, you know what I mean? It's like,

- Because you grow with it, especially if it's a natural drop, then you don't realize that, oh, I went from fucking Alvin and the Chute Monster to fucking- - We really talking about the speed our balls drops now? - So you don't watch the podcast at all after we- - I like the- - You don't watch Trash Taste? - Wow. - I watched like some highlights. I don't know. Like, 'cause I feel like with me, I'm just,

super self-critical and I've always been this way, whether it be with my work or myself. And that's why like, I'd say like I've seen, anytime I see like criticisms of my videos or my work, I'm just, I'm more fine with it because there hasn't been something that's been said about me that I have already said about myself.

in some way, shape or form. - I feel that. - So unless I'm like super proud of a video, I really find it difficult to watch it because I see all the things that I kind of couldn't prove on it or that I fucking hate about it. And it's just out there and I can't like- - So you're too much of a perfectionist basically. That's from what I'm getting. - I hate the word perfectionist. - But you are a perfectionist. - I like this, I prefer the term self-critical.

- A self-critical perfectionist is what you are essentially. Because like you have an editor, but you also edit your own stuff too, right? Like everything. - Yeah, you always do like the finishing touches. - Yeah, I always do the finishing touches. And like when there's a collab where I have zero control over it, that's just like, I wake up in a cold sweat. I'm just like, what if I just look like an asshole in this one? - So wait, so then how do you get through your editing?

because you have to listen to yourself, right? Over and over and over again. - Yeah. - So are you just like cringing internally as you're like, "I need to edit this part." - Do you not record it? 'Cause you're doing like, you had jokes, you had punchlines. Do you not like think, "Damn, that was a good delivery. "I nailed that delivery." - Yeah, and sometimes I listen to a joke and I edit it for like three hours and I'm just like, "This joke's not funny anymore." And I just cut it. And it's a weird thing where,

depending on how my mood is, my video could just be completely different. Like I could just be watching myself and I'm just like, I hate this part. I'm gonna just rerecord this entire segment even though it's gonna add like two, three hours to my fucking video making process and then I do it. - See, that's why I'm glad that I got an editor that I gave complete creative freedom to 'cause I'm pretty sure you were talking about this earlier, but like, at least with my editor,

he leaves in shit that I would have otherwise cut out. - No, no, that's what I like. I tell anyone I hire to edit for me. I'm like, I don't care how bad it makes me look. Just make it funny. Like please make it funny. - Because at least, right? You're gonna get the draft, right? And you're gonna check it. And if it's really fucking bad, then you can just tell them to cut it out. But a lot of the times it's like, oh,

in my head I thought this was not gonna make it into the video, but he kind of twisted it in a way where it's like, oh, you know what? That's kind of a funny bit I never thought about. - Yeah, like where I like fail a joke and I'm like, let me do that again. And they leave that in. That's just the joke. It's like, oh fuck, okay.

- I mean, I guess it's like the difference between like heavily scripted content and more like improvised content because there are times when I think I have like a fucking banger of a joke and then I watch it like 30 times as I'm editing it. And I have to like question whether it was funny in the first place or whether I've seen it so many fucking times that it's just lost all like comedic effect to me.

- The reason I asked that question earlier was 'cause I saw a video. I don't know if it was a Ted talk. It sounds like a Ted talk topic, but it was something like everyday people should record their voice and listen to it so they can improve their speaking in general to be more confident. - Right, right. - Yeah. - Because their theory was that your overall general quality of life and doing anything in daily life improves drastically if your speaking is more confident. Like if your voice is more confident. - I agree with that. - I would agree with that.

In general, definitely like if there's been the one big thing in my life that has done me solids, it's the voice tip and talking. Just going at it. I don't know. And I maybe think a lot, I'm like, "Oh yeah, I guess I'd never really thought about." I mean, obviously people will say, "Oh, you have a nice voice and shit." Not to stroke my fucking dick, but that's the compliment I get the most, right?

- I put VA in my name for a reason. - You do have VA in your name, right? - It's the reason I became a voice actor because people were telling me like, "Hey, you have a nice voice." And I thought, "Oh, maybe I am." - Fuck, you know what? You're right. - I'm like, damn, I do kinda, I'm kidding. 'Cause when I first recorded myself, I thought I sounded like shit. - Everyone thinks that though. - Right, right. But then it's one of those things where I think that it's definitely helped me a bunch because not only have I improved my enunciation and just general patterns of my speech, it just made my whole life more confident by doing that.

- Yeah, because you have general self-confidence. - Yeah, because if I'm hearing it, I'm like, damn, I sound good. Is that conceited as fuck? - No, no, no. - I mean, it's just, you just do get a skill set by practicing it, right? - And you get happy with the ability that you have to like,

and make it sound the way you want, I think. - Yeah, and like, I feel like even just being on "Trash Taste" and just like, like I don't watch every episode that I'm in, but like I still have to watch like certain clips just to check in and everything like that. And I feel like, especially my speaking skills has gotten a lot better. Of course I suck up as soon as I say that, goddammit. - You really drove that point home Garnt, thank you.

- No, I agree. Like I used to fucking hate public speaking in school. It was the worst thing. And which was weird because I used to be part of my school's debating team. Like we had like a debating team and you know, it was like groups of three and you usually go against other schools about whatever the fuck it was.

- We do not have this in the UK, I don't think. Unless you're in Oxford, Cambridge, I don't think so. Definitely didn't have this where I grew up. - Well, yeah, I mean, it was literally just the three of us that did it. And so I decided to join that because I realized how much I fucking hated public speaking and how bad I was just speaking in general. So I was like, yeah. - How old are you when you decided to do this?

- This was in, actually, no, this was in elementary school. So this was like fifth or sixth grade. - God damn. - So like 11, 12 year old Joey was like, you know what? I have a deficiency. I would like to improve. I'm going to do that. - You know what? Like watching all of those like squeaker family videos, man, I was just like, I need to prove my voice, man. I don't want to sound like Alvin. So basically, yeah, so I joined this debating team

And of course, like I was in it for like two years, but I was still nervous as shit. Like I was very fiddly and kind of, I had this really bad habit of swaying as I talked. - Yeah, like you don't realize how many subconscious things you do until you get filmed. - Yeah. - This is why you should record yourself. - Yeah, no, and that's what we did, all right? So my parents sometimes would come to these debating things with other schools and of course they would record it just

for memory's sake. And of course I'd be forced to watch it during our family fucking, you know, family video session. - Put it on the 4K monitor. - Yeah, exactly. And so I'll watch back on it and I'll be like, Jesus Christ, I look like a fucking schizophrenic patient.

I'm just fucking fiddling like, so my conclusion is. - Yeah, but you were 12, dude. I probably shit my pants in that situation. - No, but he's just saying all the other schools we went up against were just fucking chatter shit. They were like, yes, yes, your honor, let me defend myself and my colleagues right here. And meanwhile, I'm just like, you have a point? No, it was that level.

It was fucking horrible. But then, so I tried to use that skill when I first started doing YouTube. But of course like everyone's first YouTube videos, it's shit. It fucking sucks. And you know, I had that. I still have this problem to this day where I say like, and you know, way too much. And people on Trash Taste have pointed out being like, take a shot every time Joey says like or you know.

and you'll be dead in the first five minutes. - I mean, you have like a lot of, like everyone subconsciously has a lot of filler words that you don't normally hear yourself saying because it's filler words. When you say it, you kind of like fill in the gap yourself. And there are times when I say like a lot and then there are times when I just swear a lot as well. - Yeah, it's either like, you know, or fucking. That's my three filler words. - But also I'm sitting there, right? You know, I'm a viewer, right?

- Who am I to be like, your comp reviews is like too much. As if they have like the most immaculate speech. - Yeah right, that's what I think. It's like who are you? Who are you to judge? It's like, do you go around not saying the word like ever in your speech, like with any other people? - I don't know, I guess it's 'cause,

I don't know, I don't get it. 'Cause I understand that everyone has shit that they do. They might wanna change, but fuck, there's somebody in my eye.

- Why do you need to feel the need to like tell people, I guess. - Wow, there's really something. - You're good? - Keep talking. - Okay. - Yeah, but what were we talking about? - Oh yeah, so like, you know, YouTube videos fixing your speech patterns. - Yeah, because I feel like when people see doing stuff on YouTube nowadays, it's like the expectation is that

for some reason the expectation is they must know what they're doing. They're professionals. And it's really weird because I remember the first time I felt this was when I started to get asked to do like panels and stuff. And I was thinking to myself, I've never been good at public speaking my entire fucking life. And just because I have this audience, this virtual audience on YouTube, like conventions and stuff, expect you to like be in like a top tier panelist and stuff. I'm just like,

This is a skill I had to like learn trial by fire. You know what I mean? 'Cause my first few panels were fucking shit and I felt like shit because I was shit at public speaking. But because you were forced to be put there, they force you to be put in that situation. You just had to learn it on the fly.

But I do find it funny that just because we're on YouTube, people do have this expectation of just like, yeah, they must be really confident and have this professional kind of fucking background in- - Otherwise how would they get all these subs, right? So you couldn't talk properly. - And they seem to forget that we all started in the same place, making videos in our uni bedroom or our parents' basement or something like that. - To be fair, in my case, it's a little bit different because I hated public speaking, but I was always okay in front of large crowds.

which is weird. You think it's kind of counterintuitive. - Isn't that literally public speaking? - No, no, but here's the thing. - Is it private speaking if it's not? - No, that's the thing though. It's like when I was doing the debating team stuff, the most we would ever talk in front of was maybe 30 people. - Yeah. - Right. - And there's some weird, it's really counterintuitive,

a lot of the times I'm more nervous in front of a small crowd than I am a large crowd. - I think it's more intimate. If you have to do it in front of people you know especially, I think it's a lot harder. - Because I've done like, 'cause I used to do classical piano and I played live at like the Sydney Opera House once in front of like a thousand people. - Oh shit man. - Dropping that like it's,

- I mean, I guess I did. - That came out no way. - Yeah, so basically I used to do music properly and I got the chance to perform at the Sydney Opera House in front of like a thousand people. - How old were you?

14, 15, something like that. And yeah, it was just like, yeah, you're playing at the opera house. I'm like, the opera house. - That's the Asian parents dream right there, Jared. - Yeah, oh dude, my mom has never been more proud of me. - That's never coming off the fridge, that's for sure. - Extra rice for you tonight. - Did your mom fucking film it and then frame it? - Of course she did. - And then frame it and then put it in the safe and stuff? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Of course she did, of course she did. - I think one thing that really helped me realize that

start not giving a fuck is that, and this is just in general life as well, is that like,

I think I remember who told me this. They were like, everyone is always way more worried about themselves than they ever are about you. - Oh yeah. - And so like, if you just think about it like that and think about how you think about it when someone is public speaking, I don't fucking care if they're shit. I'm just, most of the time I'm just sitting there anyway. Like they can just say anything and I'll probably be like, oh cool, yeah, all right. Like, unless they like literally shit their pants on stage, I'm not gonna think anything bad of them. - Right. - Yeah. - So if you go into that mindset of, okay, I'm gonna talk in front of these people. None of them care really, fuck it.

how can I fuck this up? I can't be terrible. - Yeah, but speech I feel is a little bit different because even if you do fuck up, you can very quickly try and fix it, right? It's a little bit different when you're playing solo piano in front of a crowd. - No dude, just call it jazz. - It's not classical anymore, it's jazz now. - When you go on stage, do you remember the stuff you do and the stuff you say? 'Cause I don't remember that shit. - Sometimes. - Do you still get nerves when you have like a big panel or a big event? - Yeah. - Anymore? No, no. - I get nerves.

right up until I'm on stage. - Same here, same here. - So like up the stairs going onto the stage, I'm fucking nervous as shit. - It's the anticipation. It's just like, I just wanna get this over with, you know what I mean? I just wanna get on stage and just do my shit. - I mean, the reason why is because, you know, if you're doing a debate thing, no one cares about who you are, right? But when it's your panel, right? All the people come for you. So I could sit there and insult them for 20 minutes. They'd probably be like,

- Con is exactly like he is on camera. - He's just as much of an asshole. - You know what I mean? 'Cause I mean, that's how you deal with like hecklers, right? Like you just give them shit. Everyone's like, oh, that was funny. - Have you ever had hecklers at a panel? - Yeah, one time. - Really? - Yeah, they were like being assholes.

- So, oh God, it was at a fucking hentai panel. - Oh, well that's of course. - Of course. - Dude, our 18 panels, I've never done one because everything I've heard about is a fucking horror story. - Oh my God, I can't believe I didn't mention this in like the convention story. So I do, I offer to like conventions. I'm like, "Hey, do you want me to run a hentai dubbing panel?" And essentially what it is is I just get a bunch of hentai and I blow out the subtitles and I'm like, "Wing it."

- Right. - Just make shit up. - Yeah. - People are fucking terrible at it. - Yeah. - And that's what's funny. But eventually you'll get like one person who's actually like really fucking funny. - Right. - And that's what it's for. - Yeah. - But I mean, one time I was doing it and there's this dude in the back, he must've been like 30 something just on his own. And he was just shouting cringe, cringe, cringe the whole time. And I was like, do you wanna come up? He was like, no. And I'm like, well get the fuck out then. And everyone was like,

- Golf claps everybody. - And then they clap. - No joke, no joke. - No, because at panels, there's always that one guy who thinks that like the panel was a YouTube comment section. And they always try to like be that fucking smart ass, like throw out that smart ass comment. And it never fucking, it's never fucking funny. You know who you are. - I don't know, I must be blessed 'cause I've never had that at a panel of mine. - I mean,

- Normally at those types of panel, the loud people are good 'cause you can just bring them up. - Yeah. I mean, if I ever put into that situation, I'd do exactly the same thing, right? - God, it was terrible one time. - I just told them to fuck off. - One time there was this hentai and it was brother and sister. - Right. - And a brother and sister came up to dub it. And it was the most.

- First thing I've ever done in my life. - Jesus Christ. - Oh God. - It was terrible. - That's cursed. - It was so cursed. I regretted it. And you know when you do something, you're like, this sounds hilarious. And then it starts and you're like, oh no. Oh no, please stop. Please stop. - This is like immediate regret. - They offered and I was like, oh God. Yeah, this sounds funny. And I was no, no, no, no, no. - I've never been tempted to do an R18 panel. - No. - I don't mind. - I've only seen like bad,

- I've only seen and heard the worst things happen. - 'Cause here's the thing, like if you come to my panel, like I'm usually open to any kind of fucking question it is, but it seems like when people see R18 in a panel, 'cause I've been to R18 panels, they ask shit that is not like, it's bad,

in any kind of context. - It's not a question, it's just dub hentai, don't fucking do anything weird. And if you do, I'll be telling you to fuck off. - No, but what I'm talking about is the R18 Q and A panel. - Yeah, those are fucking weird. I don't get those. - I don't know what it is. Some people just think, "Oh, it's R18, therefore I can ask them the most private shit that they otherwise wouldn't say." I'm like, "No, motherfucker, I'm not gonna tell you private shit just 'cause it's R18."

- I don't care. Like motherfucker, even my therapist doesn't ask this shit. And here you are just asking about the most intimate fucking details of my life. You know what I mean? I've never been on an R18 panel, but I've seen some of the questions that have been asked on R18 panels. - It's horrible. It's horrible. - It just depends on the crowd, doesn't it really? Sometimes you get real like, oh God. And sometimes they're quite funny.

- I mean, that's the thing. It can be funny, but there are just some people who don't know what funny is. Like it's funny to them, but then the moment it comes out, everyone's like, yikes, you shouldn't have said that.

- I mean, that's like discord humor, right? It's like funny between you and your friends, but not funny to everyone else in the room. Most of the time. - Sometimes it's like online humor just doesn't translate into real life situations, especially with a lot of discord humor. You know what I mean? - And you can tell when someone's been on discord a little too much. When they ask questions like that, it's like, "Hmm, okay, you need some real interaction." - Man, I...

- I saw this tweet and it made me think about Discord. I know I keep changing topics here, but there was someone who was like, "You can't be well adjusted if all your friends are only on Discord."

- What do you think about that statement? - That is a take. - 'Cause I thought about it and when I read that, I'm like, that seems way too harsh. But the more I thought about it, the more people I know who are kind of like, I don't know. And when I was the same, when I had friends online, I don't think I was very well adjusted when I only had friends online. - Do you know what I'm imagining right now? You know the picture of that stick guy who's just like,

- That was my exact reaction. - It sounds too much. - That's a bit of a generalization. But at the same time, I'm thinking, huh, of the people I know who only have friends on Discord, I didn't like only have friends on Discord, who I've probably like, especially people who I've not seen anime conventions and stuff. It's like always people who,

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- So you can get honey for free at joinhoney.com/trashtaste. That is joinhoney.com/trashtaste for all your Christmas needs. Fuck Santa, go to honey. - Epic. - I feel like there is a difference between online friends and let's say real friends, okay? Because, you know, I say this as someone who has met most of my friends online and has found my fiance online, you know what I mean?

I will say that they didn't feel like real friends, like until I saw them in real life. I feel like that's like sealing the deal because there's something about having online friends where there's always that ball of like, how well do I really know this person?

You know what I mean? And you could, there has been like plenty of times where I've like connected with them immediately. You know, you guys being like some of them. And then there are equally as many times when I've meet them in real life and they're just like, wow, you were not how I imagined you to be. And this is weird now. And I feel like, you know what I mean? And I feel like if you just have that first step where it is just the online relationships, you're missing out on a big part of what it is to, you know, be friends and be social and everything like that.

- I mean, I've always been since like fucking age 12, I would happily get on fucking voice chat and talk to like fucking 30 year old men. Why did I do that? That's a- - Yeah, that sounds- - I would not let my 12 year old do that. - Wait, wait, wait, what was the context of this? - So he invited me to a chat room.

- Sounds like the beginning of a Chris Hansen episode. - Okay, when you put like cod zombies, right? I would gladly get on the fucking mic and like, I would like bully these 30 year old men. Like, I didn't give a fuck, dude. When I was 12, I would gladly like shout at people. Like I would be- - Nah, I didn't know that, man. - Well, like the- - This is your anger fucking coming back, right? - Like the comment said, dude, I'm a walking coin flip, someone said. - You asked for Danny G, yeah? - You asked for Danny G, you cut me out

- I love that meme. Okay, no joke, right? My little brother was too scared to argue with people online. So when he did start to argue with people online and I was in the other room, I'd be like, "Oh man, give me the fucking headset. I'm gonna argue, you play." So I would fucking shout at them for him because he couldn't do it good. And he would lose the arguments. I'm like, "You're not losing the arguments on my account."

- Over my fucking dead body. - You think I will allow you to lose this? I don't know, I would just, 'cause it's one of those things, right, where I would not fall for shit when I was like,

12 or 13, the shit that they would try and pull. For some reason, I knew what was happening most of the time when I was aware. 'Cause even from like age-- - What was happening? - I was fucking playing zombies with them most of the time. Most of them chill. Yeah, it was all good. I mean, I don't know. I think it was weird back then. 'Cause it just started when everyone started voice chatting. I think it was new and it wasn't really weird yet.

Now it's weird if you do, I think it's super weird. But back then I didn't think of it as that weird when I was a kid. But maybe I didn't care. - I mean, back then it was like this new thing and now with so many fucking weird stories coming out, you gotta be- - Yeah, now it's not, you know, if I had a 12 year old kid and I had to talk to a 30 year old man, I'd be like, "What the fuck are you doing?" - Yeah, yeah. - But like, you know, I get why people have a lot of online friends. It's because most of the time people search for online friends because they don't find that connection

- Oh, totally, I did. - You know what I mean? - Yeah, I totally felt that. - But it's the same thing I would say as like, you know when you can have like the best friend in the world, but as soon as like you move in with each other and live in the same house, that like can change a lot of dynamics. You know what I mean? Especially, you know, you meet someone, especially in fucking uni, you meet some people who you think are chill, as soon as you move in with each other, you start hating each other. - Yeah, that's true. - And you see all their little fucking tics and stuff that just get on your nerves.

- I mean, there was like a, I mean, I've basically been raised like on the internet, right? Like ever since like age, like 11, I was playing RuneScape. I was doing shit on mini clip. Like I was, and I always did not mind talking to strangers. Cause I always thought like, I'm not gonna give any personal information. You know, I never did. For some reason I was smart enough to never do anything like that.

And there was, must've been a good chat. Maybe it may be like a year in my life where I pretty much only spoke to online people like friends that I thought were like my friends. Yeah. It must've been the, maybe first year of university. - It's really weird. I've never had a concept of an online friend until I started YouTube. - Yeah. - Like I never would get onto like- - I feel like we were two different sides of like the coin. Cause I was always like, I would always go on. - Cause in my head I was like, why would I talk to this random person online when I have IR offerings to talk to?

- Well, that's the thing, right? - Well, there you go, Joey. Here's where it gets sad. I didn't at the time. And the thing is, right, is that you think, oh, this is like, 'cause I used to see those things on Twitter 'cause back then you used to see these things like, "IRL online friends are real friends." - Yeah. - "Mom, you don't get it." You know, back when Tumblr was like, you know, peak Tumblr. - Yeah, yeah. - And I used to totally agree with that 'cause I was like, I was 16 and that's all I had. And then after I like actually got real friends, I was like, oh,

this is what normal friendship is. Like it's like totally different. And it's something that like, I don't think you realize kind of affects you 'cause you totally think you're fine. And I think you can be well adjusted sort of if you have only online friends, but it's a lot harder. 'Cause I feel like having that IRL kind of interaction to ground you and make sure you're not doing weird things and you know.

that you're interacting in a healthy way, right? - Yeah, I mean, 'cause the thing about only having online friends is that inevitably you are just living in your own bubble. It is an online bubble, right? - Yeah, and you live through what you present to them. - Yeah, exactly, right? You're only presenting one side of yourself or the best side of yourself. You're not seeing every side of a person. So inevitably, if you just live in a bubble, you might luck out and be like, okay, this is actually a healthy, nicely balanced bubble.

But most of the time you're missing some kind of that social interaction and social connection that you just don't get online, unfortunately. - And I also think, 'cause I made a lot of the friends through gaming. A lot of the time, how you were as friends was dependent on how you were in the game. And obviously I was normally really good at the games.

So I was normally like, yeah, I'm kind of cool. And it was one of those things where online when I saw these people, like I was like to those friends, I was respected and they thought, wow, this guy's so cool. He just does his own thing. But in real life, I was a fucking loser.

And it kind of made this dichotomy in my head where I'm like, yeah, I'm funny. Yeah, I'm charming. And then I go meet up with people and I fucking struggle. Like I couldn't, I didn't know how to, 'cause I hadn't really, I wasn't very well adjusted. And it made me think a lot and makes me look back and I don't know, it's like, how do you convince someone when they're in that?

to see it like it when they're in that sense of, I only have online friends. How do you make them see that maybe that it's not a healthy, like it's not very healthy because to them they might be perfectly happy and fine. - Right and that's the thing. I think it's just a matter of perspective, right? Because to them, that's all they know. So I don't think until they actually experienced the other side of like trying to,

and start and maintain IRL friends. They just won't know. They'll be like, "Oh, why would I do that when this is so much easier and more comfortable?" - And also I realized as well that like when I was predominantly spending all my time online, it felt like I could never make any progress in my life because I was not investing anything in real life. Maybe I'd go to work and I'd go home, but that was about it. I never made any investment elsewhere. And I felt like my life stagnated because of that.

because I didn't, you know, I think when you make friends- - Because you didn't seek out something else. - Right, right, because when you make friends IRL, it's not just that, it's like you miss out on a lot of opportunities in general, like, 'cause you're not putting yourself out there. You're not, you know, maybe other jobs you might hear about, you know, you miss out on a lot of things, I think. - Yeah. - And it's not just as simple as,

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I don't know, it's really made me think a lot recently, especially 'cause like moving to Japan as well, it's really made me think a lot. - Yeah, 'cause it's been a year, right? - Yeah, it's been a goddamn year since we moved here. My God. - Already. - This has not felt like a year at all, Jesus. - Yeah, 2020 has been fucking weird to be fair. But how was it for you guys? - Your first year here in Japan.

- It's been, I mean, okay, to be fair, it's probably, you know, pretty abnormal year for people who moved around this time, you know, 'cause of the- - It's been a strange year all around. - Yeah. - You know, I don't think, I don't feel like I've spent a proper year here in Japan, mostly because like, I felt like part of the experience I was expecting from Japan was to have people visit me, you know what I mean? And I had a lot of friends who had planned to come visit us in Japan and it just all fell through. - Honestly, that's half the fun of living in Japan.

in this country, right? It's like being like, oh man, I've always wanted to visit Japan or like I'm coming to visit Japan and you're just like, my boy, I got you bro. - I wanted to be on the other side of that. - Yeah. - On the other side of that fence. 'Cause I've been on the visiting side and I remember how amazing shit was when I first moved here and everything was so bright eyed. And you could take me to a fucking family mart or a conbini and I'd be like, yo, yo, you eat this like Hatsu curry every day? You eat this fried chicken? They got sandwiches, what the fuck?

- Just watching those interactions is like so fucking fun because to you now it's just so normal, but to them it's just so fucking alien. - I remembered like I was at the supermarket and I would just thought to myself, man, I remember when I used to think the shit was like insane. And like now I feel like there's nowhere else left on earth where I'm ever gonna go and it's gonna feel magical. And I felt kind of sad for a second. - Japan is the final boss of the country.

- Dude, 'cause I've been hyping up Japan my whole like teenage to adult life. It was the one place that I always really wanted to go. 'Cause I went to America and it was amazing. I loved it because I'd always hyped up America to myself. And then Japan was the last place that I hadn't been to that was like, I really wanna go here. 'Cause my parents took me to Europe all the time.

I was kind of sick of you. That sounds so fucking- - Privileged. - I was sick and tired of traveling Europe. I mean, my parents took me to like France every single year and I was like dying to go. - That sounds like a fucking luxury dude.

- We were camping in like tents and I just liked playing video games and I couldn't play video games for three weeks. So it was basically being like forced to be a caveman for three weeks and like swim. I'm like, okay, I swim every day, I guess. But I mean, it was basically the last place I wanted to go. And I remember the first time I landed here, even though I hadn't slept for like 20 hours, I was so fucking hyped. I was like, this is fucking insane. What? I can get a vending machine, what?

- It's vending machines and they work? - I thought I would like, I remember when I like came in for the first time, I thought if I ever move here, I'm gonna get vending machine coffee every fucking day 'cause this shit is awesome. And now I can't fucking stand vending machine coffee. Get that shit out of here. Just give you my Starbucks like I do everywhere else. - When you first come here, every vending machine, you're like, I guess I'm getting coffee. It's hot coffee, baby.

- But yeah, now you have it and you're like, this is the worst. - Do you remember when we first moved in here and you like, nomihodai, which is all you can drink, like was like fucking- - God's gift to earth. - It was like a godsend. Like whenever we'd go here and we'd go to like the Izakayas and we thought we'd be going to like Kinokura every fucking day.

It's like, "Nomi, hold on." Not even a question, of course. - Kinokura is essentially worth the spoons. I think we've said that before, but it's very cheap, very cheap, cheap. It's like 15 bucks all you can drink for two hours. It's nuts. - Something like that. - Yeah, but then you realize, "Oh shit, I actually like my liver a little bit and I don't wanna fucking ruin it." - And I also like good food as well. It's not got bad food, but you just get better food. - It's very average food. - Yeah, you just get better food elsewhere.

'Cause I remember like coming to Japan, like everything, in my eyes, all food in Japan was amazing. And then I lived here and now you realize that it's all good, but there are different tiers of how good it can be. And I'm gonna wonder what it's like whenever I go back to England or something where good food is just so much harder to find than it is here where it's just readily available.

- I'm getting a pot noodle the moment I get back. Bombay bad boy pot noodle is my favorite thing. - You should just like do the opposite. You should just fucking commit and just go to a Wetherspoons and just be like- - I love Wetherspoons food. - Well then there you go. Let's see how it is. Let's see how it is after you go back there. - I fuck with Wetherspoons food. What I don't understand is Connor's fucking obsession with the Tesco- - Meal deals. - Tesco meal deals. - What is that? - You had one. - You had one.

- Because I forced you to, so Tesco meal deals, right? It's a thing in the UK for three pounds, which is about maybe just under $4, $4. You get a nice sandwich, a big bag of crisps and like one of the premium drinks. You can get like a smoothie. You can get like an energy drink. - Did I have that? - Yeah, I took you. 'Cause you've got the big sandwich. It's quite big and you get a big bag at a crisp. You fucking loved it. I remember you were like, yo, all this for three pounds. I was like, yeah, it's insane, right?

- I think I vaguely remember. - And I really liked the sandwiches they make. - I remember I had the Wetherspoons that I had in some kind of train station and I was like- - That was pretty bad. I took Joey to the Wetherspoons of Victoria Station. It was terrible.

- Yeah. - I mean, I don't think Wetherspoons is terrible. I like Wetherspoons. - It depends on the pub though. - Yeah, it does. It does. But for the most part, Wetherspoons is like pretty decent for the price you get. - The one there though, I think we were struggling to find a clean table. - Oh yeah, it was gross. - Like longer than actually deciding what to eat.

- Yeah, it was gross. - Yeah, it was gross. - 'Cause I remember when Joey was coming to visit, me and Connor were like discussing, "Oh, what should we show him?" Connor was like, "Tesco meal deal, Tesco meal deal. "I'm getting him a Tesco meal deal." I'm like, "Connor, for fuck's sake, "nobody gives a shit about your three pound Tesco meal deal." - Okay, right? I don't care if I become a billionaire. You bet I'm gonna be eating McDonald's and fucking Tesco meal deals until the day I fucking die. That shit is value and I won't hear otherwise. And it tastes amazing, okay?

- It tastes good. - I genuinely don't remember eating it. I feel like, I don't know. - I'm hurt, Joey. - After living in Japan and living in Asia where convenience stores just have, in my opinion, just good food to choose from. - I think the sandwiches in Tesco are better than Japan.

- I mean, sandwiches have like mayonnaise and like ketchup and all that shit in it. I don't need that shit. - Okay, you're out of the question. - Where does all the crust go in Japan? Where is it? Where's all the crust gone? - I don't know, probably just thrown out. - For some reason all the sandwiches don't have crust on them. Where is it? Give me my fucking crust. I love the crust on sandwiches. - I think though sometimes- - Actually, that's the reason I like Japanese sandwiches. - Okay, in some- - You're like a 12 year old kid. Like you can't have mayo. You can't eat the fucking crust on your- This man doesn't like- - It's still bread. - Yeah, man.

- What's the problem? It tastes good. - Yeah. - It's just wasted bread that's like tasteless. - Wasted bread? - It tastes like bread. - Yo, it's the flavor, dude. It's the best part of bread. - The flavor, what's so good? It tastes like cardboard. - No, it doesn't.

- What? It tastes exactly like the bread that it's attached to. - It's like the crust on pizza, okay? Why does crust on pizza exist and why does everyone pretend that it- - It tastes good. - No, it doesn't. You eat the pizza for the fucking bread, cheese, and tomato sauce combination. Why would I want to eat pizza? That is, why would I just want to eat the bread part of the pizza where when I have pizza, I want the pizza part of the pizza.

- Okay, that's because you're eating it wrong. - You're going right up to the crust. You gotta save a little bit of the sauce. - And then go on the side. - People think I'm a fucking psychopath when I eat pizza the way I actually eat pizza at home, which is crust first. I eat the crust first because I get that taste of shit out of the way. - Then how do you hold the pizza?

- I just hold it like- - What the fuck are you doing bro? - You're holding it like L dude. - Look, look, look, look. I just saved the best part to last. Why would I save the tasteless part to last? I don't enjoy eating the crust. - But you're making it tasteless by only eating the crust. - No, no, no, no, no, no. If you save a little bit of the sauce, that sauce could be with the actual pizza. You know what I mean?

- But the pizza has plenty of sauce. - It's like eating the fucking, it's like when you're having a nice fucking meal and you eat your broccoli and vegetables first and you have like your chicken or your steak afterwards, you save the best part to last. - Do you always eat everything separate?

- Not always. If it like synergizes perfectly, if it- - Like you would know. - The crust synergizes with the pizza. - No, it doesn't. The crust just takes the pizza taste out. - I got a fucking Italian hand on this pizza. It synergizes. - When you get those shitty frozen pizzas, right?

one dollar a pound, right? They're the ones with no crust. You know those fucking fake deep dish pizzas that are just all bread and like the thinnest layer. - They're fucking horrible. - That's like his fucking dream. - No, my fucking dream is like proper thin crust

Italian pizzas where like the pizza goes right up to the crust and it's cause it's so thin. It doesn't take, it doesn't get in the way of the actual pizza itself. It doesn't get in the way of the slice. - You gotta grip on something. - I don't give a shit about greasy fucking hands if the pizza tastes better. That's just optimizing the pizza. There is so much wasted space on pizza that it's like the crust gets in the way of the pizza taste. - Well then, okay, why don't you do this then? When you get the pizza next time, right? And there's a thick crust, just fold that bitch in half.

- No, because that's like, that means- - I feel like you're making a problem out of this. - No, no, no, no, no. - Just roll up the pizza so that it's all in one thing. - I just assume, right? Whenever I see anyone who leaves the crusts on a sandwich or leaves the crusts on a pizza, I'm like,

your parents clearly didn't like beat it into you to eat that shit, dude. - Dude, if I left crust on bread, my mom would beat my ass. - She'd murder me. - She'd be like, "Why are you wasting food?" And I'd be like- - I got away with a lot of shit, but leaving food was not one of them. - Yeah. - No, that's why if I have to eat pizza, I eat it crust first. - He's just there.

- You make it sound like a fucking torture, man. - It is torture for me because you're ruining this good fucking food with just tasteless bread. - There was only one time where it was acceptable to leave the crust on a pizza and that is a buffet of pizza where it's like, I gotta optimize this shit. I don't want none of this shit 'cause it's always shit crust. - But if you just have Domino's,

- Then you have to eat the crust. - And also, and also in like, crust just takes extra room. It's just extra room in your stomach that can be filled with nice tasty pizza. I don't wanna get filled up with like tasteless crust. - How small is your fucking stomach? - I want that fucking pizza, okay? - How small is your stomach? - Oh yes, this tiny bit of crust here is gonna- - I know I'm right. I am not the crazy one here.

- I've been quiet about this for too long. Crossless gang, where you at? Where you at, crossless gang? - All the 10 year olds raised their hand. - Point is, where is the crush, Japan?

- I don't like it they take it from me 'cause sometimes I think the best part of the sandwich is like the give, the crust adds to it, right? You gotta bite it a little bit, you gotta tug it a little bit. Sometimes it just crumbles apart without the crust. It's like the integrity of this sandwich has been ruined. - It's been optimized. - It has not been optimized. - You cut off all the useless pieces.

- I will say sometimes, 7-Eleven is by far the guiltiest of this. You'll get a sandwich from 7-Eleven, right? And they'll show you the sandwich. It looks like fucking packed in the front. This thing is like quadruple ham slices, right? You open up the sandwich thing, you get it out. You're like, oh my God, it's thick. And then as you realize, you grab it in your hand, you're like, huh, it's pretty thin.

- Pretty thin at the end, you peel it up and there's no ham. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The other half of the sandwich and you're like, I've been fucking playing. - You got fucking click baited by sandwiches. - Yeah, yeah. And then you have to like weirdly like curl the bread up so you can get like an even bite of bread. It's fucking, 7-Eleven, can you fucking sort that shit out? Everyone says their food is the best, but it's honestly the worst one out of the, I don't know if Family Mart is, okay. - Family Mart's the worst. - No, I have to stand with Family Mart.

- Oh my God, no, I'm a 7-Eleven simp, man. - You're a Lawson simp, right? - Yeah, I love Lawson simp. We'll do the Konbini, we'll save the Konbini. - Dude, we're gonna leave this for the Konbini tournament arc, okay? - We'll do it. We need you to just ask a Konbini. - There are three genders. - Changed my mind. - Oh my God.

- Oh my God. - No, it's like the difference between fucking Tesco's, Sainsbury's and Co-op, right? You know? - I don't know, but I'll just agree with you in that case. - What do they have in fucking Australia? - What? - In terms of convenience stores?

- Carbohydrate, probably. - Yeah, no one goes to a convenience store in Australia. It's all just supermarkets. - Bottler's as they say. - No, that's a liquor store. - Yeah, I know. That is your lunch. - I don't wanna buy food from a liquor store. - I will say, probably the thing that I very quickly got adjusted to that I think that will hit me like whiplash when I return is deliveries here.

- Oh yeah. - Because you get- - Speaking of optimized. - You get so used to it here because what happens is, have we spoken about this on the podcast before? - I don't think so. - So when you get a delivery in like, I guess any other country, it's like, we'll arrive between 8:00 AM and 6:00 PM. And you just gotta be home on a Tuesday, hope you listen out, you know, and then you fucking miss it. - For the single knock on the door. - Yeah, and they didn't knock on the door. They say that they were there and it's like bullshit. No, you didn't.

And then it's this whole fucking pain that you gotta try and reschedule like, oh, we can come back in four days. And it's like, are you kidding me? I pre-ordered this game. I wanted it today. But in Japan, when you miss a package, not only can you reschedule on that day within a two hour time slot. So if you miss it between like eight and 12:00 AM, which is the only four hour time slot, you can get it re-delivered between 12 and two, four and six, six and eight, nine to six. - Basically same day delivery. - Literally the whole day.

- You can pick the two hours, it's nuts. And on Amazon when you do it, you can also pick the two hour time slot. It's nuts. It's so insane. And it works. - I mean, there are also like, what is it? Where the UK and some places have like in London have like Amazon now or something like that. - Yeah, we do have that. - That's insane to me. - I think I spoke about that in the podcast forks. I ordered like Mario party and shit. - Oh yeah. - It's when it arrives literally a few hours after you order it. - Why don't we have that man? - Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Japan gets it.

or something. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I would love that because I didn't know. - I would never leave my house. I just fucking get it out. - Well, it was made for groceries mainly. It just happened to have like a product on it. - Which is weird 'cause I was thinking back to our podcast last week with Alexion and I remember thinking to myself, man, how would I have survived in Japan and got set up if Amazon didn't exist?

like he did, like when he first moved here. And I'm just thinking, man, so much of my life has revolved around Amazon in Japan that if I didn't have it, I would be like, life would be 10 times harder. - It does become, when something isn't on Amazon, I've noticed it becomes about 10 times more difficult to get the thing that I want and delivered the day I want. - 'Cause you have to look it up and be like, all right, where's the closest store? And then you have to find out when the store's open and then you have to go in and fucking look for it.

- It's a mess. - Gross. - But I also feel kind of sad because I feel that because

everything is so easy. And I got comments that were like, I can't believe Connor complains about not knowing Japanese and living in Japan. Not complaining, I'm just fucking British and I'm just complaining about the things that I complain about. I know it's my fault for not knowing Japanese. I'm not a fucking idiot. I know that it's probably not a good idea to not speak Japanese living in Japan. But a lot of people do come here to learn. And I do think that if I was forced

to say 10 years ago or 15 years ago, I think that I would have been forced to learn a lot more. - Oh yeah, absolutely. - Because I would have no choice. Right now, I don't need to do anything. Google Maps tells me where to go. Google Maps tells me the restaurants. I can Google translate every webpage. It's pretty much all sorted. - It's catering more towards foreigners, definitely. - It also doesn't help that this is basically a society that has optimized

like getting the least amount of human interaction possible. You go to a restaurant, you have a tablet and you order your stuff. So most of the time you don't even need to talk to anyone. You know what I mean? - Which is why I like, I get, you must get this a lot, right? Do you get comments asking you like, how's your Japanese coming along? How's your Japanese coming along? - Yeah, Garnt, how is it coming along? - It is.

- Is it Jozu? - It is, I've already gotten Jozu a few times. - It's difficult, right? Because it's hard to explain because essentially I think people have a misconception of how much we interact with Japanese people. I talk to a Japanese person and I'm forced to speak Japanese at most often at the Konbini or at the Denny's or whatever, like at a restaurant or a store. Those are the three most common times.

And there's a script. Like I know exactly what they're going to say. - Yeah, yeah. - And they always say the same thing. - I know exactly what you mean. 'Cause we were getting coffee, like I think it was last week or something at the Bookwalk offices and we kind of ordered the coffee and he almost sounded like fucking fluent with all the responses he was making. And he was just like, I know how it is where you've ordered something enough times that you just know the questions you get asked. - Yeah, I perfectly optimize ordering coffee. - It's like when you watch a movie and you see the line

before the actress says the line. I was like, I know what you're gonna say. - I know where, if that script is like varied, like in the slightest, you just go like, I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing anymore. - Because what happens is I'll be ordering coffee, right? And here's the order every single time. You go in there, you say what you want. They'll ask you, do you want it to stay or to go? So you say to go. And then I'll ask you, do you want a bag? You say, no, you don't want a bag.

And then you just say how you want to pay. So you can just say that, right? And it's always how it is. And every time it goes wrong, and if Joey's with me, I'll just slowly turn to Joey and be like. - There's only two times I've seen a slow head turn. That's in a horror movie. And when I'm with you guys, it's out of the script. It's just a very slow like- - I don't want to go, Joey, help. I just want to be like.

- Dozo Joe. - I'll leave it to this guy. - It's actually funny when you're not there, 'cause when it's, there have been times when it's just me and Connor and we're at like a restaurant ordering something and then we get something off script and it's both of us trying to cumulatively figure out which one of us knows like as much Japanese as each other.

Like we're trying to like combine our Japanese knowledge to be like, okay, you know this word, I know that word. So we can, let's try to figure out what we're saying. - Yeah, we should. - Let's combine these two words together. That's the thing though, like that's like one, like I'm such a fucking sadist, but like that's the one thing I fucking love when friends who can't speak Japanese,

I'm hanging out with. - Fucking asshole. - And we go to like a restaurant or something, or we go out somewhere or go traveling somewhere is that because I don't look Japanese, people don't expect me to know Japanese. So I love every now and then going to a restaurant with like a bunch of non-Japanese friends and pretending I can't speak a word of Japanese. - Asshole. - And just letting them be, I'm like,

"Oh, Nihongo Wakara and I." And they're just like, "Fuck you, Joey." - So yeah, outside of those situations, we pretty much don't really speak to Japanese people. - Although to be fair, you've been recently fucking interacting with Japanese people on Apex, right? - Well, so I thought to myself, right, I'm taking these Japanese classes two times a week. Problem is, is I'm not really doing much outside of that. And people will be like, "Oh, why don't you study more?" I mean, the work schedule that we have is already pretty fucking hectic. - And there's only so much studying before you have to actually use it in practice, right?

I think like no matter how much studying I do, if I'm not using it, like practically it's not gonna help. - Yeah, there's no point. - So yeah, I just decided, fuck it. Okay, you know what? I'm gonna stream talking to Japanese people on Apex, just trying to make friends. I managed to make some friends pretty fucking fast. Even though most people do not wanna talk. - I mean, I was tuning into one of your streams and you were like interacting quite,

- Yeah, I can speak super, super basic. - But they were getting it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can normally understand what I'm trying to say. The best thing is, is that if I don't know something, I'm like, chat, chat, what is this word? How do I say this thing? And then they tell me and then I don't forget it because I'm using it like immediately over and over.

And so that's been a really helpful. And if you want to go and watch those, you can watch them on the highlights, whatever. But yeah, that's been super helpful. But outside of that, like we don't fucking use it. - I can talk to you guys in Japanese. - Okay, Joey, it's different. 'Cause it's different, Joey. - Because you know how bad we are and it's embarrassing, right? - No, no, okay. You have to throw that aside because

- I am fine doing it in front of 2000 people live. - Yeah, but not in front of me. - No, not in front of me. - Why? - Because. - I'm not gonna judge you. - We know that's not the point. We judge ourselves when we whip you. It's like a subconscious thing where I'm just like. - I don't want you to be disappointed in me, Joey.

- I'm not gonna be disappointed. - I wanna just impress you, man. I wanna impress you, okay? I just wanna get Nihongo Josie by you, man, okay? But I know how Josie your Japanese is, man. I can't reach that level right now, man. - You're like trying to impress your dad. It's like, come on, man. This is the only time I'm gonna get my dad's love.

I don't know what it is about talking to a Japanese person. Even though it's even more awkward because if they don't understand me, we're fucked. But it's less awkward because they inherently expect me to be fucking awful. So it's like when I do do good, it's like, oh, awesome.

- It's good. - So then why don't you just put that on me? - Because you can probably figure out what I'm trying to say and you can be like, are you trying to say this, Connor? - But I can also just pretend to be like. - I guess maybe. - But the point is in general, we don't really get to talk to as many Japanese people as I think people,

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- Yeah, I thought so too. - He said that with such remorse. - Because it's weird, right? Because I think everyone in my life expected me to, as did I. But what ends up happening is that I realized, okay, I work from home.

I go to a language school where all the staff speak English. All my friends speak English. Oh no. I stream, I speak in English. I go to the gym. I don't talk because who the fuck am I gonna talk to? Unless that whole guy talks to me. - Fucking massive chat. - If I'm told that story, I think I have, right? So yeah, there's actually like,

- Pretty much no time where I ended up- - Well, to be fair, I'm kind of the same as well. - Right, well, how often do you speak Japanese, people outside of business? - Yeah, I mean, because of COVID, I haven't been able to see my family at all. - Right, right, yeah. And that as well has made it even worse 'cause strangers don't wanna fucking talk to foreigners. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, our neighbor next to us,

is like really fucking cool old couple. And like, every time I see them, like I'll talk to them in Japanese, but I always get so nervous because the moment I start talking to them, I can hear it in my inflection that like, oh no, I'm fucking like losing touch on this shit.

- I haven't been speaking enough because the only time I'll ever speak to is like with my mom, like an occasional Skype call or fucking, you know. - It's weird, right? You live in Japan and you're like, you're losing it. - Yeah, I'm losing it. So I have to like consciously fucking keep

figuring out ways of like, okay, how can I use this language? 'Cause if there's one thing I don't wanna lose, it's my Japanese. - Of course, of course. And the thing about languages is that if you don't use it, it'll get rusty. And that's true with like my Thai as well. Now that I'm living out of Thailand, I'm just like, there's sometimes I'm trying to remember a Thai word when I'm speaking to my mom and sometimes I get like the Japanese word instead because that's something I've been studying more recently. It's really...

- Yeah, and it's weird to think how little I can use Japanese and also live here. You know what I mean? 'Cause you kind of subconsciously find a way to make it easy for yourself. - Not gonna lie, actually one thing I have been starting to do recently is every time I read manga or a Japanese novel or something, I read it out loud.

- Just because if I read it in my head, like of course I'm gonna understand it. But it's completely different, like reading and speaking skills is completely different. So I've liked just kind of very quietly read it to myself just to remember like, okay, that's how you pronounce that word. - Yeah, it's like that for me, like reading Welsh, it's like getting confusing now 'cause I haven't done it in a long time. I mean, you've seen the Welsh language, right? It's a fucking jumble of sounds. It's like, all right, fuck off. - That's why I don't understand people who know like fucking eight languages.

- Some people just have it, man. It's just a capacity, right? Like I don't think inherently I would ever learn more than one language 'cause I'm lazy as fuck, I'll be honest. - Yeah. - The thing is- - The fact of trying to pick up a third is like, fuck, my brain is like, Connor, we're really going to our limit here, man. Really pushing it. - But I don't think learning languages is hard per se. I think it's just like, okay, if we just all quit YouTube tomorrow for like a year,

and just focused all our time on actually learning this language. We'd made like so much progress, but what's hard about it is trying to learn a language and fit it within our already current lifestyle where we're already busy as fuck. I feel like that's the real problem because it's like, I'm trying to find time where time doesn't fucking exist nowadays.

where like it takes a lot of fucking time and dedication to learn a language. - And it's a long line between being able to speak a language conversationally and being fluent in the language. - The only time I've actually gotten like able to be and get proper Japanese practice is when we're fucking out on the lash or something, we're at a random bar and it's like,

Like we're all fucking pissed out of our heads. And there's just a random Japanese bloke who's as pissed as us. That's pretty much been like the best language practice I've gotten since I've moved here. - Honestly, yeah, that probably is the best way to do it. Because if you're like a little intoxicated then you're gonna be less nervous about trying it out. - Dude, I swear to God, I speak any languages like 10% better when I'm drunk, except for English. - Except English. - Except English.

- Yeah, it's weird. - It's so true. Fuck, man. - But I mean, languages from what I've learned is like learning a language and learning music or like an instrument is the exact same part of the brain. And they say it's the exact same with an instrument or language, but the second one is always gonna be the most difficult. And then from the third onwards, it just gets easier and easier and easier. And I guess for all three of us, the advantage is that we already know two languages quite formally.

So that's why, and you know, you guys are learning a third, right? So it just puts pressure on me. I'm like, maybe I should learn a third language as well. - I mean, it's weird because I don't feel like I ever learned two languages. This is the first time I've felt like I've learned, trying to learn, actively learn something rather than just like, hey, this is, I just knew this as a kid. I didn't really have to think about it.

- 'Cause you don't think about it in your head when you speak Thai or Welsh. - 'Cause the thing is, it's just like, it is very much like learning an instrument. It's just a lot of it is like muscle memory. - It is pure muscle memory. I do not remember how I learned it. I don't remember learning it. I just know that I've always been able to understand it and speak it. - That's why I hate it when people ask me like Japanese language questions. I'm like, I don't fucking know how I learned this.

- And it's also like when I, and also when you learn a language natively, I think you learn it wrong. You learn it locally in a native way. People ask me, some people would ask me questions about Welsh and I'd be like, I don't fucking know.

I just knew from speaking it. I don't know any of the rules. I couldn't do half of them correctly. - That's why they say like the best way to learn any language is to live in the country that speaks it. - Right, right, right. Yeah, I don't know. And I think I get a lot of questions about like, oh wait, which languages can I speak? Well, it's 'cause like I don't really get much use out of Welsh. I don't really show it off much unfortunately 'cause it's only spoken in,

and one part of like South America. There's like one small-

in somewhere in South America where they speak Welsh, like a town. - Really? - Weird, yeah. But you're like Welsh settlers went there and we're like, fuck it, let's just make a town. - Let's just chill here. - Let's just do it. It's a shame 'cause it's such a nice language. It sounds beautiful. - I fucking love the Welsh language, man. It's so cool. - It's always fun hearing people pronounce the names of the towns. - Oh yeah. Isn't that that Buzzfeed video where they try and pronounce like all the Welsh names and it's fucking horrible. - They sound as cool as they look as well. - Oh yeah. - Yeah, because like,

My dad can't speak Welsh, my mum can speak Welsh. So my dad fucking butchers the names and I always just correct him. I just wanna be an ass. - Oh yeah, I do that to my dad with Japanese as well. I fucking love doing it. - Oh yeah, it's the same situation. - It's like, shut up, son.

- Going back to the whole like trying to fit it around your lifestyle, there is such a big part of me that's like, fuck man, I wish I could just take a year off YouTube and like do it. - Like perfect a skill? - Like just do Japanese class five days a week. - I've like felt that definitely recently where,

Like my entire life has just revolved around YouTube for like the past four or five years. And then I kind of realized this last year, especially it was just like, hey, there are other things I can do with my life other than YouTube and learning Japanese is definitely one of them. But I've really only have time to do one

without making like substantial progress on the other or just like making almost zero progress. - I mean, this COVID situation definitely hasn't helped considering that's really limited where we can go, right? Because I feel travel as well. Even if you're traveling with like a bunch of like English speaking people in Japan, you just,

you can put yourself into situations where you have to interact with the locals. Travel is such a nice way of just meeting people and like getting to use the language as much as possible. Because like, I feel there's less stress using a language you're trying to learn while you're traveling because at the end of the day, you're never gonna meet this person again. - Yeah, I would have no qualms about like butchering Japanese to an old lady. - And yet you get fucking nervous as shit trying to use Japanese at your local company.

Because it's like, I'm gonna see you again probably tomorrow, same time. - Oh my God. - And I don't wanna be remembered as that guy who can't speak Japanese. - As much as there's a part of me that wants to do that, I'm like at the same time, I feel like I'm enjoying YouTube now more than ever. - Oh yeah, absolutely. - I'm enjoying everything about it. And it's going so well that it would make no sense to like stop doing it, right?

taking a year off YouTube. Although I could probably come back from it. I probably could, but is it worth the risk? Like, no, probably not. I can always learn Japanese later on in life, which sucks that I wouldn't have it now. And I would rather have it now,

- Why not mix the two worlds together? - I feel like- - What do you mean by that? - Like make some kind of YouTube content about you learning Japanese. - I considered that, but I thought that'd be such a big undertaking. And I've seen language channels and they had like drama because they would like not end up learning the language.

No joke. Like there was this video where a guy made like an apology video. - It was like technical drama. - Yeah. - So like, oh God, 'cause you know when those videos went around where it was like, dude speaks 15 languages on VR chat. You're like, well, that's just absurd.

But then I started watching a lot of those videos and I found like people who were like, their whole channel was about them starting from zero and then learning the language. And there was like drama with this one guy 'cause he was learning two languages at once. I think it was like, I can't remember. It was like, it was very different languages as well. And about halfway through like a year in, he's like, you know what? I'm quitting Swedish, you know?

I realized that it's just hampering my progress trying to learn two languages at once. And all the comments were like, "What the fuck, man? "I can't believe this." - I believed in you. - "Your Swedish was so good, man. "Why'd you..." And I was like, "Whoa." - Oh my God, anything can be drama now. - And I just thought like, if anything, it would be a thing where I would be like, "Okay, let's see how much I can learn

in three months doing X a week, right? And then I would not announce it, not make it a series, just do it. Here we go. But at the same time, it also is a lot of pressure that is like, okay, I gotta worry about making other videos and also actually learning Japanese. Otherwise this video is gonna be a little awkward if it's like three months in, I learn nothing. Fuck. - But that would be funny, right? Like it'd be like a funny conclusion to the video as well. - Would it though? - I think so.

- I just wasted three months of my life and learned nothing. - You did it for good content. - You wasted 30 minutes of your life watching this video. - Yeah, exactly. - I don't know, fuck dude. - 'Cause I had this video idea where it's like, 'cause I've always wanted to improve more on my Japanese as well. So I'm like, I can't just like,

like outside of YouTube or like outside of what I do and all these side projects I do because I'm just way too busy now, which sucks 'cause I really do wanna like, you know, hone in on my Japanese a lot more. So I thought about like, you know, there's like the Kanji proficiency test. - Yeah. - And I've got like, I got like the third highest on that, but like that was back in like high school, but I'm like, I wonder if I can like go for the highest one. - How many Kanjis do you need? - For the highest one? - Yeah. - I believe it's 3000.

And I think only 0.4% of the population has it. Yeah, it's very like prestigious. But I thought like, what if I did a video where I- - Is there a Kanji for cultural cross-pollination? I guarantee there is. - Make one. - There's a Kanji for everything, man, don't worry.

- Sorry. But I thought to myself, like, I wonder if I did a video where I just like dedicate like a year to just document myself, like learning that and trying to attempt for the test. - But isn't that scary though? Because what if you don't make any progress like six months in? - That's the only thing that's stopping me. And it's also like, in order for me, in order for this video to be successful, I got to fucking grind this shit. And if I do this and then the video flops, then that's just like,

- Cool, I wasted a year of my life for a flopped video and a test that I failed in. - I think unlike the actual Japanese language, I think you actually can like gamify and speed run kanji. Like I think kanji is speed runnable. - I don't know, man. - It is, dude, it totally is. - Explain, explain. - Because you can, there's like apps that will like fucking whip you if you get it wrong, right? So you can-

- I speed learned like a hundred Kanji in like a day by doing that. And I know all of them now I can use them. - But if I sat you down and told you to write it out, could you? - Write it out? Some of them. - Right. - But I'll read them. Yeah, but I mean Japanese people- - Oh, read them. Would you be able to read a hundred Kanji if I showed you? - A hundred percent. - Really? - A hundred percent. - Okay, now I'm tempted to challenge. - Challenge accepted. - I'm tempted to do this. - We'll do a live stream. We'll both stream. You can do it. - And I'll fucking do a Kanji test on you. - The basic Kanji?

- The hundred kanji you know, I'll do a test. - 100%, we'll do it. - Okay, okay. - Easy. - Sounds like a video idea. - Because, right, you can gamify it. And you can start picking up patterns. And I feel like the way that you can, I don't know, at least when I was learning kanji, I could easily pick up kanji, I guess, 'cause especially living in Japan, right?

- It wasn't like living in the UK, sorry, where you learn this Kanji, you would leave your house, you wouldn't see it. When you leave your house in Japan, even if you didn't talk to anyone, you see the Kanji everywhere. So you could keep practicing 'cause you keep seeing them like, "Oh, I know that, oh, I know that." - Yeah, you do do that after like every like Trash Taste session. We'd be catching the train, you'd be like,

- What did that side say? I've seen that one before. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But I feel like that's the way you gotta do it, right? - Right, right, right. - 'Cause that's how a kid learns. - Just like inquisitively. - Yeah. - Problem is is where it starts getting into like this four Kanjis with four different, or the same Kanji with like 10 different pronunciations and it's like, oh, oh. - Which is like 30% of all Kanji. - I love the ones with like two. I'm like, nice. Question for you boys, 'cause we've been living here for a year now.

- How long do you think it'll be staying here for? - That's the question I wanna ask you too. - What's my five year plan? - 'Cause Chris Broad was a fucking liar. Chris Broad said he was only gonna live here for like five years and he's still here. What a fucking liar. - He's been here for eight years, I think. - What a fucking liar. - I mean, I'm approaching my fifth year.

- I mean, time just moves fucking fast. It doesn't even feel like I've been here a year. I thought, yeah, I'll live here for like two years max. I'm halfway through. I'm just like, I've hardly even spent any time here. - Yeah, right. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - That's the thing. Like, I always thought to myself, I'm like, I thought about it, I was like, oh my God, I've been here for almost five years.

- Damn you old. - Yeah, like moved out, like moved out of my parents and like actually lived in Japan on my own. I was like, it does not feel like five years. Which is why like the question of like, what do you see yourself doing in five years? It's starting to sound less and less absurd to me because back when I was in my teenage years and people were like, where do you see yourself in five years? Like five years is so far away. - You'd be doing something fucking different every year in the back of that age. But now it just feels like it's, you can have like a- - Routine and monotonous.

- Now we just sound old, man. - I mean, we are, man, we are. - Depending on how long, a big fucking question mark obviously is, you know, how long will Geeks Plus allow us to be here? 'Cause we're- - Yeah, Meilyne. - Yeah, Meilyne. I'mma calling you out right now. - How long? - So I'm gonna say this louder. So it all depends on how long Geeks Plus will be around because our visa depends on Geeks Plus. So-

- This is why we take so many fucking sponsors by the way. We can give Geeks Plus money so that we can fucking- - So that we can satiate our fucking like lords. - Overlords, dude. - How many sponsors can we fit? 10 an episode? Say no more. - Doable, doable. - Okay, but I mean like the question though, I think, and this is kind of goes back to the root of it all. Having been here for a year, are you guys enjoying it?

- Yeah. - Yeah, there's been, I think I flip flop a lot in the first six months. The first six months I was like, I would have one week where I'm like, I hate it, I plan to go back in two months. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like there's some weeks where,

- I think especially where, and I said this in my video about my, 'cause I made a video about one year living in Japan. I think the big point I tried to mention was like, you have to make, like you have to force yourself to like actively go out your way to make friends here. It is not a country where friends just come along. You don't just bump into people and you're like, "Let's hang out." It's like you actually,

You have to go out of your way to do the whole like, when are you free? What's your calendar like? Let's make this solid, not a bullshit thing. Let's do it. Otherwise I'm not gonna see anyone for two weeks. Except you guys, right? And like having this podcast has really helped because,

before it was like, okay, we might hang out every day. But then we also might not see each other for like a week and a half. And then I realized I haven't left the house in four days. Fuck, I'm starting to feel lonely. And I live alone and I've never lived like alone alone. - 'Cause you've always had a roommate. - I've always had a roommate or something. And I didn't realize like how much I like relied on that to like kind of keep me a little bit sane. Because sometimes my fucking roommate,

Zeno I love you, but yeah, you drive me up the wall. But that's also not like her fault. It was like just a thing of like- - That comes with just having a roommate. - Eventually you just, you live with someone long enough. You're like, I fucking hate just the little thing that you do and I have no idea why. And I thought I can live alone. And then like one week into living alone, I'm like, fuck it's quiet in here. Hey Jesus. - I was so fucking depressed when I started living alone.

Like before like Aki moved in with me, I was like, fuck man, I've been out of the house in two weeks. I'm so fucking lonely right now. - Am I the only true introvert here? - I mean, look, I like my time alone. Don't get me wrong. I like my time alone, but there's only so much time I like alone before I'm like, I require the touch of a human skin. - Oh no, I'm the same. 'Cause I remember before I moved to Japan, I basically lived alone for like,

like three, four months because Sydney was in America at the time and we were sorting out our visa stuff for Japan. So there was just like a fair few month period where my only social life would be when we'd be able to like hang out in London. And I don't know if it's just because I've been in a relationship for like four years. It was just like nice having like just like a little bit

just living alone and just seeing friends and seeing people when I wanted to. Because I guess the big difference between Japan and when I was living in England is that I could see someone whenever I wanted to in England, if I really wanted to. You know what I mean? - You could just mess with me and be like, let's hang out. - Yeah, exactly. I feel like if it was the case of, I don't know when I'm gonna see someone next, then I would be a way more lonely.

- Well, that's why I'm like constantly just like filling in plans like ahead of time. - Yeah, yeah. - Just being like, yo, you wanna hang out? You wanna hang out? You wanna hang out? Like, otherwise you're gonna find yourself in this kind of like dead space of just no interaction whatsoever. - Yeah, because like when I first moved here and I didn't really have anything in my house and yeah, I was just going on Tinder dates just 'cause I was lonely. - Yeah. - And I didn't, like, it sounds so sad, but you know, when I didn't- - I didn't think people would do that, man.

- And when I didn't have anything to do, I would just go to your house. But then I felt bad, 'cause I didn't wanna go to their house every day and be like, "Hey guys." I know you didn't mind, but I also didn't, I felt like I was intruding. And it was just sad, and it took me a while to get used to it and getting used to being alone. - That sounds so sad. Fucking everyone laughs. I mean, living alone, sorry, not being alone.

- I just have to get used to just being in my soul too, just crying. - I figured it out now. I figured out how to have a healthy balance of everything, but it took me a while because I wasn't used to it. I always had someone in my house that I could always be like, "Yo, you wanna watch TV?"

- So is this your subtle way of asking us to come to your house more? - No, no, no. - Please. - No, no, no. - Okay, so we're going back to our original fucking topic of this video of online friends and everything. When did you guys realize that online friends just wasn't enough? You couldn't fill that hole that having real physical friends that you can see like- - After I had a really healthy friend group.

I think. - Like IRL friend group? - Yeah, after you have like an actually good IRL friend group that like you just, you would rather hang out with more than like anyone.

I feel like there's no going back. - Yeah, I feel that as well. 'Cause I found my first proper true friend group at the age of 23, 24, that's when it kind of started. And I remember my mom had fucked up my entire perception. 'Cause my mom had raised me for 18 years to be like, "Don't give a shit about your high school friends. "They're your real friends for life. "Your actual real friends will come in university."

So I go to university and I'm just there with my housemates, my course mates. I'm just looking around and I'm just like, I hate everyone around me. - Mike Wazowski is just like, where are the friends? - Yeah, he's just like, where are the friends? Mom, why would you lie to me, mom? Why would you lie to me? So yeah, I'm not in contact with like anyone from like my university days. Like some more so in my high school days where university was just like a fucking cesspool.

where I was. - I definitely have more in contact with my high school friends than I do my uni friends. Like not to say I don't have any uni friends, like I have, you know, some of my uni friends are fucking best friends forever. But yeah, I don't know. Like I think that whole thing of like, oh, don't worry about high school 'cause there won't be a friends for life. I think that's kind of bullshit. - Yeah. - I think you'll know if you've made a friend for life.

- Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I think so. - There is no designated time when you will make friends for life. It all happened along the way. But I remember like finding my first friend group and now I was just realizing, oh,

So I don't have to pretend to be someone likable to be around you guys. Cause you guys just kind of like me for the person I am. And that was just like, so mind blowing for me. What the fuck is that all about? - It's just like having friends that are like, just like, you know, even though there's like a lot of people, it's just like, everyone's there to help each other. Like if you're having a low point. - It's the whole philosophy of God, you're a cunt, but I love you. - Yeah.

- Yeah, you know, and just like mates that are just there for you, like regardless of like, you know, what's going on. And I really, really, really value that. And it's a shame as well because I fucking hate texting so much. I absolutely despise texting. - Yeah, same here. - And I pretty much, the only people I text are like people I know that I'm gonna meet up with that I'm like, yo, when we meet up, what's happening? Or it's like business or anything. But outside of that, I avoid like the plague 'cause I just hate it. - Why do you hate it?

- It doesn't feel genuine and it takes so long. I would rather have a 30 minute call than text for like a whole day back and forth. - Same here. I mean, I'm sure you both know I'm fucking awful at replying to texts. - Oh God, it's the worst bro. - And that's because like, for me it takes like so much mental energy to like be on it and look at notifications that I just have to like have a dedicated time when I check messages. Otherwise one, I just get distracted from whatever I'm doing.

I much rather, I value so much having like a, just an in-person or like an invoice, like actual communication. 'Cause there's so much that I can't communicate when it's just during texts that I just rather talk to people. - No, it's true. - I feel that so much. - I get that.

- A lot of context is almost lost as well when you're just texting as well. Like a lot, it can't be like all the emotions can't be like, you know, portrayed properly. Yeah. And you know, I kind of realized as well that the friends you'll have in life, the ones that like I might not text right now, like the real friends are the ones where it doesn't matter. I don't fucking need to text them. Like even for a year or two, then I go back

And it's exactly the same. The way I see it, it's kind of like a family reunion. And I didn't fully understand the term where it was just like friends of the family you choose until I had a proper friend group. I remember hearing that for like my entire life and thinking that's such a bullshit term. That's like this like cheesy Disney movie S term that isn't actually real. It's a fucking urban myth.

It's a fucking urban legend. It wasn't the destination. It was the friends we made along the way. - So with that being said, back to the question at hand, which was, how long are you gonna stay in Japan for? What do you think? What do you think boys? 'Cause I think,

- Right now, my main thing is that like, at the end of the day, with all my gripes that I had, and I've made them very known as the comments like to point out that they think I despise Japan. No, I'm very critical of everything in life. And at the end of the day, Japan, the standard of living is just much higher at the moment. - Especially when you're British, you just learn to complain about all the little things. - Yeah, a lot of people just think that I really see a lot of comments like, "Connor's so fucking rude about Japan." I'm like, "No, I'm just-

- No, it's just been real, bro. - It's just been real. - It's just been British. - There's no perfect country out there. - We complain about everything. Okay, here's a question to you guys. So we all are living in a place that is not where we were born.

- Did you always know that you would move out of your home country and live somewhere else? - Absolutely. - Yeah, absolutely. 'Cause like, at least for me, I moved out of the house that I was born in. So I never moved until I moved out of my home. So I've been living in that, like my parents' house for like 21 years straight. And I was just like,

- Yeah, it's home, but it's also like, you go home and you just see the same view out of the window every day, right? I need something else. - I love my home, don't get me wrong. But I think especially because I was so active online from such a young age, I became so aware like globally. - Of other different places. - Right, right, right. - And then it just made me curious, I guess. I remember, yeah, going back to my fucking mom,

- It was just, I remember like when I was a kid, I was just like, "Mom, I'm telling you this now, love England, but I'm gonna move out." - Three year old guys. - No, seriously, I was like, between like when I was like going from a kid to a teenager, I fucking knew that I would like move out of England eventually. And I was like, "Mom, don't take this personally, I'm just gonna move out. I'm not gonna be in the country." And mom was like, "Sure, sure, bet."

Okay, son, whatever you say. And then I remember when I told her, hey mom, I'm just gonna like fucking move to Thailand for a few years. She was like surprised Pikachu face like, "Nani?" Like, oh, you were actually serious all these years. And yeah, because like, not that I don't love England, but one, I wanted to experience like different cultures and everything since I was a fucking kid. And two, like, I don't know. I was always in my head, I was always thinking that there was this perfect place to live.

that wasn't the place yet that you were from because everywhere else seemed so exotic, right? And everything. And like the more I move around, the less idea I have about where I truly wanna fucking settle down. It's really weird, right? Because especially if you live, like stay in a place for like any substantial amount of time, you see all the great things that are there and you also see the bad thing. There's no fucking perfect place. And the more you move around, the more you realize there is no perfect place.

So you gotta make that decision of, hey, what is actually best for me? - Legit, between the ages of like 12 and 16, I thought America was the perfect place. - I thought America was the perfect place as well. - I really wanted to live in America all my life until like age...

I'm probably actually until like I moved to Japan. I still like before that, I was like, I kind of still want him to go to America, man. - Really? - I don't know, always since young age, I'd always been exposed to American culture. I always spoke with Americans online. I just really loved their style of doing things. I loved how fucking crazy they are. - I don't know, I think it's because for me, it's like, I didn't really like interact with any Americans. - I think that's the thing, right? Because I'm like literally from age 12, I've been chatting with people online, always voice chatting like,

My parents for some reason didn't stop me. - And most of the online friends you got were just from America, right? - Yeah, a lot of them were. - A lot of the people you were friends with were from America. - And I was the token British friend most of the time. They were like, "It's fucking corner." - "Tune into YouTube."

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Reinventing men's basics. I fucking nailed it. - TM, thank you to Mack Waller for sponsoring this episode. Back to the video. - Yeah, the more I think about it, the more it is kind of fucking weird that I did speak to like just anyone like online. - I would never let my kid do that. - I would never let my kid do that. I don't know why I did it. - Your parents are just cool with it? Were your parents aware of it? - No, no, I didn't tell them.

- I would just tell them that I was talking to my friend. They're like, "Who are you?" 'Cause okay, so when I used to swear, right? So I lived, my room was upstairs, right? So whenever I swore too loud and my parents heard it, I would hear this at the stairs.

I'm like, "Connor, stop swearing." Because my dad swore a bunch, right? But he tried not to around me, but I fucking, I was, I could not stop swearing on Xbox. - 'Cause you were that one angry kid on Xbox. - Because, right? If you wanted any credit as a 13 year old, you had to curse, man. Come on, you gotta talk shit. - I mean, I can't relate. - Have you ever given any 13 year old kid credit now that you're in the opposite end? - Yeah. - No. - If they shout.

- Of course not. But when you're 30, okay, to be fair, British Xbox is a different beast, Jonathan, than whatever the fuck you had, dude. It was 'cause everyone in these lobbies was like 13, 14, 15. - No, that sounds like the Australian lobbies, Jon. - That sounds like every Xbox worldwide. - And so half the games, I would enjoy the fucking game more 'cause I was fucking screaming at someone.

- For some reason I enjoyed it. - You were legit that one squeaker. - I wasn't, okay, was I squeaking then? Maybe I was squeaking. - Yeah. - Who knows? - You were a cod squeaker. - Yeah, God. My God. - CDawgVA confirmed, cod squeaker. - Oh my God, that was so funny. So much dumb shit I did on Xbox. - Yeah. - Oh my God.

- So here's the question now then, now that you've like gone to Japan and gone to America and these are like the two place you really like kind of like fantasize about when you were younger, is there any place in the world that you still wanna go to or is it all just like- - Yeah, what's on everyone's like country list? - Or is it all just downhill from here? Like I've been everywhere I want to, there's nowhere else I wanna go. - Okay, man.

- Not really. Here's the thing, right? 'Cause people like say, "Oh, I wanna go here, I wanna go here." Like there's some countries people are like, "I really wanna go here." I'm like, "Why? Why the fuck would you wanna go there?" They're like, "I'm not gonna go there." - I'm not gonna name any examples. - This is gonna sound fucking terrible, right? There are some countries, right? Where it's like, not gonna lie, if I want a vacation somewhere, I wanna know that I can shit in a clean toilet.

Okay, I'm just gonna say, right? Is that a bad thing? Am I allowed to say that? - That's a very privileged thing to say. - That's hell of a privilege. I know it is, but at the end of the day, I'm just gonna be honest. I don't want to fucking shit in the hole in the ground, man. It's too much.

- You never get used to it. Have you ever had to use the hole in the ground shit toilet? - Yeah, in France I had to and I thought this was a fucking civilized country. What is this? I don't know. Okay, this is like- - 'Cause I used to go camping so much. So like shitting in a hole was just normal for me. - Because right, I spoke to Alan. And I'm sure when he comes on the podcast, he can tell about it. He can tell us stories about how his dad forced him to go to Kenya on holiday.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And he made it sound out like it was fucking hell. And I'm like, why the fuck would I wanna go on vacation there when everything sounds horrible? Like what? Like if I vacation, all I wanna do is just relax and just chill out. I don't wanna fucking do activities. I don't wanna fucking ride a camel. I don't wanna fucking be uncomfortable. - You sound like my granddad. - Honestly, I'm already accepted that I am like

at a 60 year old white dude when it comes to holidays. - You just don't wanna like adventure in another country, right? - I don't either. I'm 100% with Connor on this. - I'm fine with doing an activity on a day or two. Maybe we can hike, but I do not wanna fucking do shit every day. I also don't wanna have to like, just, I don't know. - I don't wanna have pressure that I need to go see something. - Yes. - If I'm in a place and I'm just like, you need to go here, you need to go there, you need to see this. I'm just like, I hate it already.

Like I will go to one cool place and it's just like, I've seen enough, I'm satisfied. Can I just go home and just like fucking enjoy a pint or something? That's my perfect holiday.

And it doesn't come from a place of, maybe it does come from a place of privilege. I don't fucking know. Probably does, but I honestly don't give a fuck. I just want to chill on my holiday. - I think it's just 'cause of like what I went through as a kid. 'Cause when you go on holiday as a kid, right? You got to follow what everyone else is. And I always had this fucking, especially if I go in like a big group, like this stacked fucking itinerary. Well, all I wanted to do was just stay in my fucking hotel room and play my Nintendo DS. That's all I wanted to fucking do on holiday.

- I used to go camping in France, like I said, every year for three weeks. And most years I fucking hated it. And my parents thought that I was just like, they thought it, you know, okay, I get it now what they think. They're like, oh, he's just saying he hates it.

- He's just a . - No, I actually hated it. It was like you were in a tent, you were sleeping on the floor, it was uncomfortable. So it's like three weeks you're eating the same shit. Like everything is grilled on a barbecue. - I love, I love,

camping, don't get me wrong. I used to like, my dad used to take me camping like in the fucking Australian outback like all the time, but it wasn't for three weeks. It was like tops, like five days. - That's the thing, right? I think that was- - Three weeks is way too long. - I think that's what like has completely put me off vacationing in any places that aren't just like, honestly, just like relaxing in a nice bed and just eating nice food. Like that kind of like put me off for life because I spent

most of my childhood summers, just sleeping on the floor, eating everything that had to be grilled. 'Cause that's all you had to cook, right? It was a grill. Eating baguettes nonstop. And then always, always this horrible public showers that are never clean. And then sometimes you would see like piss in the corner and it would always smell. And it was just awful. Like everything was awful. And even as a 12 year old, I could be like,

is this some peasant joke? I'm too rich to understand. I just, I don't know. - That would throw me off as well. - I would always be like at home, we had a toilet that was nice and it didn't stink of just everything. Why does it here? - I also wonder how different my perceptions of a lot of these activities would be if I actually went nowadays. - Now I would love it with my mates. - With my mates because- - Put off for three weeks.

- Part of the reason I like look back and dread about it is because you spent it with, you were forced to be there with like your family and something. And you wanted to do something else that your family didn't wanna do. And I feel like that's just like,

that kind of memory has been ingrained into me that I just like, I hate this activity because I did that shit as a kid and I hated it. - Yeah, 'cause my parents were obsessed with like maximizing the fuck out of the day. Like it was like, let's go, if we go in France, it's like, yeah, let's just walk around this town all day. And I'm like, fuck no, I wanna go to the arcade all day.

I do not wanna walk all day. Like I'm still at the age where walking just hurts. - Right, right, right. - All day, right? - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know. Like for some reason when you're a kid, like walking long distances just doesn't work. - Were you an active kid? - 100%. Like I was doing sports two, three times a week. - Oh, okay, okay. - But for some reason- - Just walking. - When I had to walk all day, it was just pain. It was just pain, man. - Pain. Pain pickle. - And then when you're a kid, right, there's nothing more boring than fishing.

I would have to do it. - That's true. - And I thought- - I'm glad my dad never got me into fishing. My dad fucking despised fishing. - It's something that I could see me enjoying now with a mate and drinking a few- - I've actually been fishing for the first time recently, which was like two years ago with Sidney's dad and Sidney's brother took me fishing for the first time. I actually really fucking enjoyed it. - As an adult. - It's one of those things that like as a kid,

- You're just not wired to do it. - It's gonna make me sound so bad, but there is one big difference about why I can enjoy it now versus why I could enjoy it as a kid. And that's because alcohol is now on you.

- I have never seen a man fish with not a beer in that little pocket. It just doesn't happen because I mean, that's part of the charm, right? Like going in as a kid, it is just like, it's the ADHD simulator because all you wanna do is like, why is there not fish catching on this immediately? Oh, I'm trying to get this fucking thing on the thing on my fucking.

and where's my Nintendo DS? I need to fucking play Cooking Mama for 20 minutes to relax. You're trying to do it and nothing happens. You get shit fish. And as a kid, you're like, let's kill it and eat it. - Let's do something. - Let's fucking decapitate this fish. And then your dad's like, we throw it back here. What's the point?

I wanna eat it. 'Cause you're a kid and you think in every video game, I've caught it and I've eat it. Why are you stopping me dad? - It's the worst activity for a kid. - It doesn't make sense. And just the whole thing just,

completely ruined like doing that kind of stuff for me as an adult now, 'cause I have no interest. - Yeah, I would actually go back fishing with my mates because it was just like a nice male bond. - We should go fishing. - We should fucking go fishing. - I would be happy to go fishing with you boys. - I haven't been fishing in like five years. - I will tell you what, because I've had this,

image of what fishing would be like my entire life. And because like my only experience with fishing, my entire life has been through the fucking fishing mini games you get in every fucking Zelda game or every like it's in animal crossing or whatever. - For the free controller. - Yeah, exactly. And I thought to myself, there's no way it's gonna be like this. And I was fucking surprised at how accurate that simulation is. Like it literally felt like a controller rumble. And I'm just like, oh,

- Like this is just like the fucking video games. - And you're just like, where's the A button? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's literally just, instead of tapping the A button, you just go. And yeah, but for some reason it was just like, it was like very therapeutic. And if you like fishing mini games, it's exactly like that. And I was surprised, man. - Every like fishing enthusiast is just like frothing at the mouth, being like, how fucking dare he say that?

- Yeah, I don't know, man. I just, it's completely like, so to answer your question, Joey, oh God, sorry. No, I mean, there's not really any other countries that I'm like desperate to go. Obviously I wanna, I still, I have never been to any of Asia. So I really wanna explore Asia. - Like there's so many activities that I like the idea of, you know, like I like the idea of camping.

You know what I mean? The idea. - Two days, two days max. - It's charming. - The idea sounds cool until you fucking wake up and it's like the fucking worst thing I hate is when you wake up and everything's just damp.

You feel things and it's just damp. And damp is like the worst fucking climate. You know what I mean? Everything's damp and moist and I'm depressed and it's cloudy. And I'm just like, why am I here? I chose to be here. This is supposed to be relaxing. - Oh dude, then you should come camping in Australia, man. It's like fucking dries in there. - Yeah, but then everyone, everything wants to fuck.

- I'll fucking kill you and I have something else to worry about. - Only if you go out and fuck with the animals. Don't fuck with the animals and they'll leave you alone. - Camping in the UK is just either fucking cold as shit or just damp as fuck. - Oh, not gonna lie, camping in the UK sounds fucking horrible. - I mean, 'cause we have to do a thing in the UK called like, oh, you don't have to do it. It's optional. Like Duke of Edinburgh, did you do that? - My sister did that. - Yeah, where you basically like have to do a bunch of things to get a...

- Like go out camping and hiking and shit. - And they always told you in school, it's like, you should get it because it's gonna look amazing when you apply for jobs and no one cares. And on it, you have to do like a hiking slash camping thing where you do two days of like full hiking with like the big bags and then camp.

- This is gonna sound like so fucking stupid, but I was the only one who was like, "I'm bringing a pillow. "I wanna be comfortable when I sleep." - The privileged white boy. - So I big brained it, right? Because all these kids brought like dumb shit, right? And we brought like a stove to cook on as well. We were like 16 as well. So I brought the pillow, right? And as I was sleeping, they all start fucking trying to take it from me in this tent.

'Cause they were sleeping on the hard floor and the t-shirt rolled up and I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no. "I'm the one who was the stupid dick "who carried this pillow all the way for like eight hours. "This is my pillow." - This is my reward. - And I woke up and one of them had fucking took it. And I woke up on the thing covered in fucking dampness. And I was like, "Oh my God, did it rain?" Bear in mind, this is the three person tent, four of us in it. And I woke up being like, "Oh my God, must've rained so much. "I go outside, it's completely dry." And I'm like,

- Oh, it was sweat. It was all sweat. It was all condensation. - Yeah, 'cause my sister did Duke of Edinburgh, but she did like the highest level. So she like hiked- - It's like a week, right? - Yeah, she hiked across Vietnam twice. - What? - Yeah. - Why would you wanna do that? - I don't know. She did it twice though. - I did two days and I was like, I think, no, this isn't for me. I'm gonna go back to sitting on the bed and watching that.

This isn't for me. - Why did you even like decide to do it? - Well, because it's one of those things where it's like, I can do it. If you ask me to go hiking for a week, I'll do it. I'm very capable of doing it. I just hate every second of it. - Well then why do you accept it? - My parents were like, you should do it. And I was like, fine, okay, okay. And I was doing the other stuff anyway, 'cause I was teaching kids chess at my old school.

- I don't know man, like I knew from the get go when like the option was brought up of, would you like to do Duke of Edinburgh? Would you like to go hiking and fucking experience dampness for a week straight? I was like, no. Of course I don't. - I think because as well they wanted like the kids who had a lot of experience camping to help the kids who hadn't done any.

And I was only like, there was only like three or four boys in like the boy scouts in like my year. And then there was like me who'd done a lot of camping. So it was like, okay. - So you were the experienced camper. - I guess, yeah. To me it was like Connor should help out and join us. - You were the boy scout bro. - I never did any like map direction or anything like that. It was my parents fucking did all that. And I barely helped with setting up the tents.

- You just put the bag down. - I used to be like, "Oh, I'm gonna play with the Frisbee." So when we did it, I do remember this as well. Like when it came, I was like, "I'll do the cooking. You can set up the tent." 'Cause setting up the tent is... And because it was one of the cheap ones as well. And the cheap ones are like, "Connect the 576 poles together." And it's like, none of them can get it right. And I'm like, "I'm just gonna cook the bacon that I brought."

- I'd be down to go camping though in Japan. I've never been camping in Japan. - Glamping, we should do glamping. - Yeah, glamping is cool. - It's like camping without all the frustration. - It's like camping with privilege. - It's like camping with civilization. Like if we didn't wanna like invent all this shit, we wouldn't have been. - I'm gonna be real, I don't wanna camp without 4G. Like what's the point? I'm just gonna say it, right? I know it's not the same. I don't give a fuck, I want 4G. - I can camp without 4G.

- I can camp, but that's your problem. - Okay, you know what? I need a toilet, you're right. Toilets, I don't want a shit in a fucking bag or a hole in the ground. There's a reason fucking humans evolved and invented toilets in civilization. - Have you ever wiped your ass with a leaf?

- No. - It just doesn't work. But that's all you have. What are you gonna do? Grab a handful of grass? No, you have to use leaves and hope that you can just get most of it out. It's awful. - Well, that's why like the one thing we always took camping was like a bunch of toilet rolls. - Damn dude, 2020 man. - Yeah, because what you do is you go out into the bush, you'd wipe yourself, put it in a bag and then you throw all that into a fire. - I must've been as like 12 year old me, it was like instant noodles or toilet roll. Fuck dude.

- I can't eat the toilet roll. - It is chicken flavor though, you know what I mean? Like come on man. - Chicken flavor or poopy butt. - Oh God, I do remember when we did it, that was awful. 'Cause like it was a lot of kids that were just not prepared at all and had never even done any hiking at all. And those things are heavy. And a lot of them just couldn't do it. And you had to stay as a team. So it was like every 15 minutes, one kid would have a fucking mental breakdown. And it was like,

- I can't hold it. - I have nothing to say. - So the only thing that like puts me off camping in Japan from what I've seen, like only like the pictures and everything I've seen is that it looks very, how can I say this, it's commercialized. 'Cause it's like you have this like camping spot and like I see a bunch of tents there. - It's very privileged. - Yeah, yeah. - You're put right next to someone. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's just, I remember the one thing

I remember about camping is just like how little noise protection you have from one tent to another. You hear everything. And especially the camping experience I would like to have, which is like a bonding mate sesh. Like, I don't know, especially if you have like a bunch of Japanese people around you with tents and everyone values their privacy. Can you imagine how quiet you'd have to be? Or we could just be those like ignorant guys and just be like.

- If no one's making noise at this campsite, well I think we will, like fuck it. What are they gonna say? - You just hear like at 2:00 AM, just like aggressive Uno noises, like from drunk people. - I don't know man. - Fucking JoJo Uno session at two in the morning in a tent. - Should do trash taste hiking special. - I'd be down man, I used to go hiking all the fucking time. - The other worst part is, it's actually not a bad idea.

- I'd be down, dude. I'd be down. - It's all about, I'd be willing to do it now. Is it for content? Okay, I'm willing to fucking suffer for content, whatever. - I am, I am, I am. - That's the tipping point, right? It's like, I'll do it, but is it monetized?

- All right, I'll do it. - How did we get on talking about camping? - I don't know, but like, yeah. So yeah, what the fuck were we talking about? - Oh yeah, if you're gonna stay in Japan or not. - Oh, well, I mean- - Oh no, no, it was the which country would you visit? Like, is there a country that's at the top of your bucket list right now for like visiting? - Korea, Korea, Korea. - Korea? - Yeah, I really wanna go to South Korea. - For me it's Iceland. - Iceland? - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know, I love everything about that country. The language, just the culture around, I'm like,

All the places I've seen, because it's such a tiny country, right? So it's like, if you have a car, you could fucking, and you have a week, you can probably visit most of that country. - I do want to go Mexico, but a lot of people I know who are Mexican who are like, "Yeah, it's dangerous as fuck." - Yeah, that's not what I've heard. - I'm like, "Oh, okay, I really like how safe it is here." - Exactly, exactly.

It's like, food's amazing, really good time. It's really fucking dangerous. - Yeah, exactly. Is there one for you? Do you have a fucking list of like, I wanna go to this country. - I mean, probably Iceland is at the top. I do wanna really go back to Korea as well. I've only been there for like a few days, but I feel like that just wasn't enough time for me. - Yeah, I'd love to go. - And it's just a stone's throw away, right? - I really wanna go to Thailand as well. - Oh yeah. - I definitely wanna go to Southeast Asia more.

- Yeah, I wanna go to Vietnam as well. - You never been to Singapore either or Malaysia or I've never been anywhere in Asia except for Japan. So I really wanna basically- - See, I wanna travel more around Asia 'cause I feel like there's only a few Asian countries that I haven't visited yet. - 2020, psych. - Trash Taste South Asian tour.

I mean, I do wanna visit just everywhere really and just make my own, you know. I joke and say that I don't wanna go to a lot of places, but I wouldn't mind going and passing through and checking it out. You know, like Egypt, I really wanna go to. - I really wanna go to Egypt. - Algeria, I really wanna go to. - Australia, I really wanna go to Australia. - South Africa, I really wanna go to. And I was joking about Kenya, but you know, I'm sure I could have a nice time there and I'm just being ignorant as fuck. I'm sure there's gonna be comments saying that I am. - Oh yeah, of course.

- 'Cause like I've always thought like, I don't really wanna like visit like this place, like Africa for instance, or like the Middle East and stuff like that. But like the more I kind of hear about those places from people who are either from there or just from shit you see, it's just like, you know what?

that actually might be kind of dope. I don't know. But it's just, it's such a toss up though, because there's a lot of those countries where you just hear nothing about. And you're just like, are we hearing nothing about it because it's bad or because people just don't go? - Austria is like a country you don't hear much about, but it's pretty nice. I really like Austria. - Yeah, right? - Austria is super chill. - You go skiing there, right? - Yeah, I've been skiing in Austria and snowboarding in Italy.

It's pretty nice. Just skiing in Europe or snowboarding in Europe in general, it's like, it's super expensive, but it's really nice. - I really wanna do it. - It's really nice. - Yeah, I just wanna go to Europe more. - Yeah, everything's just super fun. - This is just like a travel wishlist that, this is just us fantasizing in COVID times. - Yeah, I'm just gonna go crazy. - Remember before COVID existed and we could travel to places? - I'm gonna get to see my family.

- Yeah, I do wanna go back home and visit my family 'cause it's weird. 'Cause this will be like the second Christmas in a row where I haven't seen them, which is normally would be the thing where it's like, okay, I'll go back for Christmas. - Yeah. - Fuck it, you know. But yeah, I mean, that's one big thing. But as far as living in Japan goes, and I mentioned on like, you know, the quality of life being really good here,

I definitely feel like at least another two years, I wanna stay here. And I think it'll be a case of in a year, I'll know if it's gonna be another two years. It's one of those things where I'll just, as it goes, I'll keep changing that number. - That's how it is. Like with a lot of my friends who are from overseas who live here or have been living here, it's always the case of, all right, we'll give ourselves one more year and see how it goes. And then usually like 90% of the time after that year ends up, it's like,

Another year, one more year. And then it just keeps going, right? - And it's such a pain to move shit back. It's like, is it really worth the like moving? - I really can't be bothered with that again. But do you guys feel this as well? I don't know if you guys feel the same, but like for me, this has been the first year where what I do actually feels like

a career as opposed to just me just being self-employed doing my own fucking job that, you know. - I mean, I've never been employed. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Up until this point, so it just feels good. - I don't know, it just feels like for the first time, this isn't just a job, it's like my career now. And I don't know, it just,

you don't think doing like YouTube and your job that environment really matters because you can do it technically do it anywhere. But the more like I've done this and the more of like growing up, the more I realize, hey, environment really fucking matters in your workspace. Like I remember going, like I remember in university where I'm just like, I can do YouTube wherever. I can do it in my fucking room. You know, I can do it next to my bed. And then I slowly realized I need my own fucking office. I need my own fucking space. I need to separate.

you know, work and my leisure time because you can survive with it and you can do it, but you're just, there'll end up be a point where you get fucking depressed and you get tired and you just, it's not healthy. - Yeah. - Yeah, I mean, it definitely completely changed my productivity, but also just like my enthusiasm towards my career. And I guess like,

it really cemented the severity of what I do of like, this isn't just like a little fun thing that you get paid for. Like this is your job, right? This is your career. Like putting food on the table is this now and everything you do revolves around this and definitely,

like moving to a bigger place and getting my own like actual work room has like really cemented that like, okay, this is like, yeah, I can fuck around on camera and be silly and goofy, but it's also my job. Like I can't half-ass this shit. Like I need to be serious about it. But like that's brought on an entirely different, I guess, layer of enjoyment that I otherwise would have never experienced. And I don't know, like,

- I think it's because as well, like all of the topics that we cover of like, you know, the kind of Otaku kind of stuff and like anime kind of stuff where it's like doing it here as opposed to like

as opposed to anywhere else is just, I think completely different. - Oh, it totally is. Like one of the biggest things I've like realized this year is a lot of the mystery, a lot of like the mystery and the prestige, not the prestige, like the mystery around like the anime industry itself has kind of like, I see the anime industry totally different. 'Cause I remember before like I moved here and you know, as a teenager, as a kid, you think maybe I could like, as a dream job, I could work in anime

But like you have no fucking clue what steps you need to take. So like I thought you had to be like incredibly fucking lucky. And like the more I meet people who work in this industry, the more I realized, oh, you just need to be here. You know what I mean? - You just need to be here and know one person. And that's enough.

And sometimes you could fucking look up a job on Craigslist. Sometimes you're like teaching English or something and you just happen to stumble upon someone who has an opportunity. It's like...

- The biggest advice I can give now, if you are interested in working in the Japanese anime industry, it's just to fucking be here. 'Cause I've been surprised at how, sometimes even how low the bar of entry is because it's like the bar of entry seems to be, okay, yeah, university degree, but that's the minimum you have to get a visa. But aside from that, it's just,

kind of being here and just hanging around the right places. - Definitely noticed that. - And I didn't think, I just didn't think it worked that way. You know what I mean? I thought it was just like closed off to all kind of foreigners and anyone else. - Or it took like years and years of building yourself up. - Yeah, yeah. - You go to those anime studios and you just meet a guy who's like, "I'm American." - And then you ask, "How did you get this job?" 'Cause it was like, you think they just had like the craziest fucking journey to get here. - And they're just like, Craigslist.

- Yeah, most of the time it's just, yeah, I was just teaching English and then I just saw a job posting for a random anime job and I just went for the interview and I'm just like, oh wait, it was that easy this entire time? Did you even speak English? - It's literally the McDonald's method. It's just like, I see an ad, I'll apply for it, fucking why not? - Get the job, oh, okay. - Oh, okay, I'll see, I got the job, cool.

- Yeah, I don't know. I guess totally agree with that in sense of all the mystique around it. It's kind of like slowly peeling away, right? - Right. - But yeah, I don't know. It's hard to summarize all my feelings about living here and working here. But yeah, definitely the structure has been added. And I don't know if that's because of Japan or because of how we've scheduled and built our work environment. - Optimized it. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, having an agency here that works with us and works with anime has been super helpful.

and has helped me feel like a lot more, like you said, structured. 'Cause before this,

- Yeah, I was just kind of fucking around, I think. And I was just hoping that the checks kept coming in. I was like, I'll just keep making stuff that I really enjoy. - It didn't feel real, right? - No, and I assumed that every year could be my last. And now I'm starting to think, okay, well, as long as I don't do fucking anything stupid. - As long as none of us get canceled. - You're probably gonna be around for a little while.

a little bit, right? - Yeah. - You can normally safely assume I got a year left in this at least, right? Like you can probably normally plan a year or two. And some people are like, "Well, you know, like damn, shouldn't you be working on getting like a proper career and whatnot?" And like, what is a proper career anymore?

- Bro, some people are still 50 years old driving Ubers. Is that a career? Why people gotta make a thing about a career? Who cares? - It's just your prerogative of what you consider- - Whatever makes you happy. - Yeah. If you're getting the money and it's making you happy and you're not hurting anybody, I think that's a proper career. - The way I see it as well is that if for some reason YouTube falls through in a year and I got nothing left, hey man, I've got experiences people could kill for. - Right. All three of us have been smart enough to kind of establish ourselves in

you know, fields outside of YouTube. - Yeah, my plan B used to be go back to the BBC and get like a go back into engineering and stuff. But now like if YouTube falls through, like I have other plan Bs of like other businesses I could possibly get involved in. And that's like, it's given me like in a career that really shouldn't have the feeling of any kind of job security. I do feel secure that yeah, I do have a specific skillset that working in,

doing this has given me as opposed to five years ago when I'm just like, what the fuck can you learn doing YouTube?

- What the fuck can I actually learn doing this? - I know how to edit a video. - You know when you look back and you started doing YouTube and you just think, what can I possibly put on my CV? - I'm getting nothing out of this. - What can I possibly put on my CV? - And then now you're like, in terms of social media entertainment and marketing, it's a big list. - Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, I think a lot of people think is, and most YouTubers, as the fucking dumbest,

- Dumb college dropouts. - I mean, you do see a lot of them who are like, fuck, I'm in the same category as him. - Yeah, right, right. - But I think what people don't understand is that there are a lot of companies that wish they had people who understood those kinds of, 'cause a lot of companies, you'll see them, man. They don't fucking understand social media at all. And if we did lose our job, there is a good chance that we could probably work in a company

be ahead of their social media department or help with strategizing, right? Consulting, anything, right? - Absolutely. - I mean, it's like Dr. Disrespect, right? He was an online creator and then he went to work for, I think Activision, right? Or Infinity Ward. And he was the head of their community relations. - Oh really? - Yeah, for a while. - Before coming back to streaming? - Yeah, so before he came back, that's what he left. 'Cause he was a big Cod streamer.

I believe. And then he left to go and be there community management or something along those lines. - Social media management. - Something along those lines. And then he came back. And it speaks to even back then that someone who had just been doing videos online, who seems very amateurish, that knowledge that you gain is so invaluable and companies wish they understood that and they could hire as many teams as they want. - Because it's so rare, especially for someone like, not to disrespect to reach

numbers like that. It's not something that you can like, it's not something that it's like, well, I got a degree in it, I studied it, therefore I'm gonna get results. Like it just doesn't happen. - You learn a lot through YouTube. And I think that even if you are doing it as a hobby now and you don't see any potential in it, I think the skills that you're learning are really, really like useful skills. I don't think you realize are useful. - Yeah, one thing, one important skill that I had to learn how to do is kind of,

realizing what skills I thought were useless and were actually not useless. And it's actually thinking back to be like, oh yeah, I do know how to do this thing. Maybe this is actually useful in some way. 'Cause it's like part of making yourself look sellable as a person to any employee is what skills have you gotten? What like experience do you have? And like we grew up in like a generation or at least like, especially with,

Asian parents where we were taught, hey, do well in tests, get like your degree, go to university. And if you don't go to university, you're a fucking dropout. - You're scum, you're not my child. - Yeah, yeah. And then like the older I grew up, the more I realized, yeah, if you have like certain career options and certain like career paths that you wanna go down, yes, a degree is definitely, you definitely need that. But if you kind of don't know what you wanna do yet, that doesn't mean that every other skill set you gain is invaluable.

- You don't need a degree to make a plan B in your life. It's like, I never learned anything about like business or marketing in school. Like I didn't take any of those like classes. I never did any of that shit. And I learned so much about that kind of shit just from doing YouTube. And that's like a really valuable skill to have but I didn't need to go to school for it. I just had to fucking, you know. - You had to do it. - Yeah, I just had to go through it and experience it. - 'Cause the way I see it, right? I have an engineering degree.

If you put me in an engineering workplace, I wouldn't know fucking shit. - Yeah, exactly. - I don't know what's going on. Maybe, I understand the rough concepts that make up a lot of basic engineering and you could probably teach me a lot easier, but you couldn't just plop me in an office and be like, "Do it." I would have no clue at all because you have to learn how that company does the thing. - You haven't utilized that skill. - Right, right, right. And without using it practically,

It's like, what am I doing? I've just got good at tests. Like I was shit. And I constantly got frustrated because I never felt like I was learning engineering. Although I was, I was learning the concept. I felt like a lot of it was so impractical, but I mean- - You're learning it through your head, but not through your body, right? - Yeah, I mean, we weren't using it. Like we learned, it's like why this is important. They tell you, but it's like, I don't fucking like- - Have you guys ever had like a proper real job interview or anything like that? - Yeah.

- And it was rough. - Well, yeah, I've had that. - Was yours full of McDonald's? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I feel like it was- - Like a real job. - Oh, okay. - So like when I, before I decided to do YouTube full time, I was actually still applying for engineering jobs 'cause I was gonna do a year in placement, which is in, I don't know if they do this in Australia, you could basically, after your second year in the UK- - Oh, you have an industry year? - Yeah, it's an industry year. - Where you're actually just basically working.

- Yeah, you get paid to work and you normally, it's normally those kids do really well in third year as well because they come into it with a lot more like- - Like an internship? - Practical experience. - Yeah. - Kind of like an internship. - Yeah, yeah. An internship that actually pays well and you normally get a job after it. - Normally you get the job offer for that placement after your like year ends. - And some of them might even offer to pay for

the third year and the masters. So it's like, it's kind of like no downside of doing it, especially engineering. It's really good. - The hardest part is getting an offer in the first place. - It's really hard to get a good place to take you. And I remember I did tests for like Rolls Royce and stuff and they were hard. Like they would make every single one of them, it was so hard. You would apply for it and they'd make you do this in like an hour and a half long test that was hard as shit. And eventually you just got to the point where you're like,

I've done four of these in one day and it took all day. I know I'm not gonna get any of them. Let's be honest. I'm not smart enough to work in Rolls Royce's jet engine. I'm just gonna be honest, dude, that ain't me. And I had an interview for one and I just remember them asking me questions and I'm like,

"Fuck, I can't even like stomach the lies. "I can't even, I don't even have the- - You didn't even have the business card. - I care so little about actually getting this job that I couldn't even sit there and lie to the guy. Like I wouldn't do a normal job interview. I would be like, "Of course I know, of course."

- Yeah, I never really like worked any job like before YouTube became a job. I mean, like I told the story of how I tried for McDonald's and failed. And then I think I did one internship like during uni, but at that point, like YouTube was kind of becoming more of a priority that I knew I probably wasn't gonna go into this field anyway. But like, I'm not gonna say the company name, but like last like two years or so I've been approached by this like

relatively big company, like international that like really wanted me. And that was the first time where I went into like an actual like proper job interview. But I didn't do one interview. I did 17 interviews. - Holy shit. - Not to mention I did some here in Japan. And then I also did some in LA. - 17? - Yeah. - Fucking hell. - I did some in LA. So like when I was like staying at Aki's place in Vegas,

they like flew me out to LA just to do like six more interviews. And then I had to fly back. And at the end of the day, I didn't get the job. So that was like really fun. - I'd like to think that after the 16th interview, they were like, you know, I don't think so, but let's try one more time. - And it was like a different person every time as well. So like, but this was like a pretty big company. Like I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to say who, but like it was a pretty big company. - Yeah.

And it was like, it was a company as well that I was really interested in as well, because it's like, oh, like if YouTube falls through, this is a perfect place to work. Like hell yeah, like this is my plan B.

And so I was genuinely excited to be like, maybe I might get this job. I don't know. And then, but yeah, it was just fun. But I think that just made it so much more stressful. - Yeah. - I remember. - Oh, sorry, go for it. - Oh no, because it was like, because I was genuinely interested, but it's like, how do I like tell that to the person without sending like an absolute kiss off? You know, like, you actually do want to work there. - It's like, yes, I love everything you do. Of course I want to work for your company. - So if you'd got that job, would you have quit YouTube?

- Hard to say. - Wow. - It's hard to say now that with the place you're at in YouTube, I remember every person in their YouTube careers thought maybe I'll get a proper job because I don't know when this will fall. - Yeah, right. It was at that point where I was like, I give myself a lot of anxiety and a lot of what's the word? Like you don't trust it. - Yeah. - You think it's temporary. - Yeah. - Even though you know it's not, there's always that gut feeling.

- And then I think I can understand sometimes why some people, YouTubers wanna move on and wanna do something else. I understand that. I don't have that interest right now and I don't wanna move on 'cause I'm really enjoying it. But I'm starting to understand after doing this for like five years, I can understand the mindset of why someone wouldn't wanna be in that

every day is like, well, let's see if I've got a job today. You know what I mean? - Yeah, right, yeah. - It is kind of like, it is really stressful to, and I think that I've just become used to it. But if you put someone in this situation overnight, I feel like it's one of those things where it's like- - Oh, they wouldn't be able to handle it. - Maybe not handle it, but it would definitely wear on you, I think. - Yeah, absolutely. - Going back to job interviews though, I do have like a story of like my very first, I'd say real job interview. 'Cause you know, I've had job interviews for like co-op and like,

like call centers and stuff. - They don't count. - They don't really count. We were talking like big- - They just wanna make sure you're not a fucking criminal. - Exactly, all you have to do is just be a competent person. And somehow Joey couldn't even be that for his McDonald's interview, but that's a different story. But like we're talking actual like big boy companies. Okay, you're here for a specific skill set. So this was like before I got my job at the BBC. So as you do as a graduate, you apply to about 10 fucking, 10 million different companies and just hope one of them sticks. - Yeah. - So one,

- One company that actually called me back for an interview was a missile company. So I would basically be kind of like- - Like, "Phew, phew, missiles." - Yeah, yeah, like, "Phew, phew, phew, phew." - What other missiles are there, Joey? - I don't know, it just sounded really weird. It's like a company that makes missiles. - Is that the sound missiles make? - Yeah, "Phew, pew." - So yeah, what'd you do? Yeah, I designed- - "Get down, the missiles are coming."

- But yeah, it was a proper missile company and I was applying to be like a systems engineer to like design and make missiles. So like, obviously I go in the interview and I'm fucking nailing this interview. Okay, I can't remember how it is like,

- Like the interview was split up into two different segments. Like there was the one where like they like interview your like personality and I don't know, I can't remember what that's called. I know there's a technical term. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's one where they like, you know, they grill you about, you know, why do you think you'd be a good fit for this company? You say you're a fucking team player. You're a perfectionist to- - What do you want from me?

- What are my weaknesses? Oh, well, you know, I just- - I just love money. I love money. - I am a perfectionist and you can't fucking say, look, I just need money and I need to pay off my fucking student loan. Why are you asking me questions that you know the fucking answer to, okay?

So, but like I breezed through that and I know I'm doing a good fucking job. And then I get to the technical interview and the technical interview, I actually prepared for this, right? Because you know, I'm working for a fucking, I'm applying to be a fucking missile designer. So I should probably know the basics of how a missile works, right? And sure enough, I get to the technical interview and they ask me, so can you explain the broad basics about how a missile works, right?

And so they go, pew, pew, pew. They go, pew, pew, pew.

- No, so I've mentioned this before, but my degree is in electronic and electrical engineering. So basically this was gonna be a breeze for me. I know how a missile works. So I've done my research on this. - He's done the study. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so I start, so there's two interviewers. There's one older serious guy. And then there's one like younger, not exactly a graduate, but he's been there a few years. But he's like at the time he was like,

- Late twenties, late thirties. - More understanding. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. So I start like, I start explaining how this missile works. So there's like a whiteboard and like, so I draw the missile, right?

And I'm like explaining everything. I'm like, yada, yada, this system does this, this system does this. And so my final year degree project, my thesis, sorry, was on like object, real-time object tracking and everything like that. So perfect, perfect for what I need to explain here. So I started explaining how this missile like tracks different objects. So I draw this rectangle and I label that targets.

And then I draw a dotted line from the target to like this missile that I've drawn. And so I started explaining, okay, this is how the tracking system works. And the tracking system is in the front of this missile. And so I cordoned off the front of this missile. And I'm fucking getting into this. I'm like, okay, so this is how my experience with my tracking degree can like help with how I can explain like how a missile is tracked. - You're selling yourself, right? - Yeah, I'm fucking selling myself. I'm getting into it. And then I look over.

And then like the oldest serious guy was just like, "Hmm, yes, very insuite." And then the younger guy was like trying to hold his laughter. He was just like, "Oh no, what did you draw on the rocket gun?" And then I look over and I'm thinking to myself like, "Why are you laughing at what I'm doing?" - I'm killing this. - I'm fucking killing this. My career is on the line here. I just wanna get a job. What could you possibly be laughing at? And then I look at what I draw on.

- I've drawn a penis. - How? How did you draw a penis? - I've drawn a big girthy penis pissing on a rectangle. - How? How did you do that? - I've actually got a picture, right? I've got to show you this picture. - I was really hoping this story's climax would be about a penis. - Yeah, I was figuring when he was saying he was drawing on a board, a penis was coming. - Yeah, this is the...

- Oh my God, God. - I'll have to send this to a head. But like, I didn't realize how much it looked like a fucking penis until- - That's a straight up Johnny Sims. - It is a fucking girthy penis. - That's a veiny motherfucker. - And then as soon as I saw that, as soon as I saw that, right?

I knew I failed, not because I was doing a bad job, but you know when you're in the zone and like there's nothing that could take me out of the zone knowing that I've just drawn a fucking penis in front of two examinees. And then after that, I just start stumbling and I forget everything I prepared. - Right. - You failed that test. - So you didn't get it? - I didn't get it. - Fuck dude. - They specifically said,

that I did super, super well on my, like the personality side of things, but the technical side was lacking. - Until you drew a phallic object on the whiteboard. - I had totally blocked out of my mind that there was a, they ask you technical questions. 'Cause I think I was so fucking bad at it. - Right. - Yeah. - 'Cause I remember I had a question and it was asking me like, they were asking me like how turbines work. I knew how they worked. - Yeah. - But you know when you're in a room with like two really old men who've been doing this for years and they ask it like, they're like,

"How do you shit? Tell me how you shit. "Describe how you shit." - What? - It's like, I know how to shit. But when they look at me like that and they're asking me that way, I'm like, "Ah, ah, ah, so yeah, the blades take the oxygen in "and they mix it with." Am I right? Is this right? This is right. Yeah, fuck. I remember I just butchered it. But also, did you ever do video interviews but there's no one to talk to?

- What? Video interviews? Well, like on Skype and shit? - So if you pass the test, right? The math test and personality, right? They would say that you wouldn't get an interview. You got a video interview where all you could see is yourself. - Yeah. - Oh no, I never had that, but that sounds horrible. - I have never had that. - I must've done this like three times, three times. And it was like, so basically what it was is there would be

It fucking felt like a Mario fucking party quick time. It would be, there would be a slide, right? Where you could see yourself and it would cut to a question and then it would be like five, four, and then you have to answer it. And they would film it. - Oh my God. - It was terrifying. Like one of them was like so stupid. It was like, so you know, it's going and it's like, you know, okay. And then it was like, who is your biggest engineering inspiration?

- I don't fucking know. - My engineering idol. - I'm like, I just did this for the degree. I don't think about this shit. I'm trying to play cards. Like what do you mean? And so I was like, fuck, fuck. I said like Einstein or something. And I'm like,

- I'm not kidding, right? I said Einstein, right? I finished that question and that's the next fucking thing. This is two of seven questions. The next thing I just fucking all F-ed. I'm like, I haven't got this. I'm fucking all F-ed. - Einstein. - The most famous engineer in the world.

- You might've heard of him. - I was like, there's no way I'm getting it with an answer like that. That's like asking what's your favorite meal? White bread, I love it. I love white bread. It keeps people like, potatoes. It's like, I literally altered for the next question. I was like, I'm not getting this. I'm closing this. Who fucking needs the rest of the questions? - Have you guys ever had like group interviews?

- No. - I remember I had one and like, so this was like the second company that I applied to. And we had like a team building interview, right? - That sounds horrible already. - Yeah, and so our first task was we were grouped up with another person and I will never forget this person, even though he's a fucking genius, but I'll get to that later. But like,

- So they were gonna look at our team building. So the very first task was very simple. So we get paired with someone and we had to learn as much information about them as we can, like names, hobbies, yada, yada, yada. And then we'd have to present that

to the group, right? I'm sure they saw it as an icebreaker and everything. - Oh, that's awful. - But you know, testing out like communication skills and listening skills and all the basic fucking team working stuff you wanna do. So I get paired up with Dan. Thank you, Dan. So like we get paired up and immediately he just goes, "Hey, my name's Dan. So here's how you wanna do it.

I'll say whatever I want to say about you and you just say it's right. And you say whatever you want to say about me and I'll just say it's right. And you know, so we don't have to worry about this stupid icebreaker. I'm just like genius, genius. I'm there. - Giga brain. - Giga brain. So like, goes to our turn. He starts talking and he's, you know, he gets my name right, but he just fucking makes up everything else about me. - Like an absolute Chad move. - I like to play FIFA.

- That's so smart. - My favorite film is like, I can't even remember what he fucking said back then. - Some of "Wizards of Oz" or some shit. - Yeah, and so then it gets to my turn and I'm like, "Hey, this is Dan." - Who loves FIFA. - No, like, yeah, he's X years old. He's like 23 years old and he's like, "Nah, 22."

I was like, yo, yo, are you fucking doing this right now? - Oh, that's genius. - Are you fucking doing, is he really fucking me over like this right now? And I start now, I say, yeah, and he likes to play Call of Duty. No, I don't like playing Call of Duty. - Wow, top 10 anime betrayers. - And I was just like, you motherfucker. You are fucking me over even though it's fucking genius 'cause I am your competition.

- I fucking hate you right now, but I can't hate you because I should have thought of this. - Bro, that's some fucking movie villain shit. I couldn't play someone like that. That's too hard. Holy fuck. - This man was playing fucking 5D chess in an interview. - No kidding, dude. - Fucking hell. I fucking hope he got the job. Like Jesus Christ. Could you imagine if he didn't get the job after all that? He just fucked you over for no reason.

- Hey man, doggy dog world. I respect that. I learned a harsh lesson that day and I will never forget it. - There you go uni graduates, you can use that. Fuck off your opponents by that. - That does seem like the kind of thing where it's like, that's too good to be true and someone else brings it to you, right? That's like, you son of a bitch, that's fucking.

- Keep your enemies close as they say. - God damn. Well, on that note, that's been this episode of the Trash Taste, I guess. - Hey, look at all these patrons though. Beautiful people who support the show. - This guy wouldn't fuck me over in a job interview. - I hope Dan was actually like Danny G. - Come down to Birmingham. - Come down to Birmingham. - Ask for Danny G.

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