Exposing the Truth of YouTube (ft. akidearest) | Trash Taste #42
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- I'm gonna do an impression of Garnt 'cause I'm a guest. - Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast. - Really, that was your impression of me? - Yeah. - Wow, Joey. - You really cut up the Trash Taste Podcast. - You gotta put your thing up to here. - Oh yeah, yeah. - Oh yeah. - Yep. - I'm Garnt. - Hello, welcome back to another episode of the Trash Taste Podcast, the show where we talk about food,

shitting and occasionally anime. - Oh my God. - I'm your host for today, NotGantt. And with me is Gantt and the other NotGantt. And I'm a guest. I mean, I'm a host. With a guest. - Wow. - You can tell this is the first time Joey's hosting a guest now. I'm the guest. - I'm the guest. I'm the host with the guest. And the guest is Aki. - Hello. - Hi, I'm Agnes.

- How are you guys doing? - The long awaited. - The long awaited. - Is this a name reveal? - It is, yeah. Well, it's not really a reveal. You can look me up on Wikipedia. It's like right there. - Why'd you have to flex that you have a Wikipedia right off the bat? - You have one too. - I don't. - You have a famous birthdays.

- What does that mean? What does that even mean? - Famous birthdays are a plague on the earth. They keep fucking emailing you asking for information. - Yeah, and also half of that info is like kind of not correct. Yeah, it's pretty wrong. - I think I had to email them back like three times 'cause they kept getting my birthday wrong. - I think there's like a Wiki YouTube. - The one thing you shouldn't get wrong. Famous birthdays, it's your birthday. - I know that there's like a Wiki YouTube and that is more like,

- That's also a play. - Yeah, that one's the most inaccurate Wiki of all time. - There's this one called like celeb dating. Have you seen this one? - No. - This one has it like- - Wait, I think maybe- - This one just randomly just takes it and then it will be like dating and it will be like, they'll like summarize if you're dating and if you're married, but they have no information. So everything's just like unknown. - Speculation. - Unknown, unknown.

- Oh my God. - It would be like, you know, color dog VA was last spotted dating at this time and it's like 2014. - Wow. - Unless you're dating another YouTuber. - It's kinda creepy to see how like deep some of these people really like look back into your photos and then that like, that's who you are. But they don't even take into account that there's been like literally so much time between like this photo and like who you are. - That's the other thing I hate about famous birthdays is that they use photos from like 2012.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then it's just like, oh yeah, if I go look up this person now, they're gonna look exactly like this. And then you realize it's like an eight year old photo. - I think on YouTube Wiki, they even have your top 10 friends. They've decided, oh, Rocky's best friend. - These are your friends. - Yeah, that shit's actually fucking weird. And then sometimes I'll put someone, I'm like, I haven't even talked to that person since like 2000,

I don't know, like 2011. - There's two types of YouTubers who collab often. That's people who only interact through the collab and people who interact all the time outside of the collab and occasionally in the collab. - We're YouTubers, we don't have friends outside of YouTube at all. - I mean, it depends right on who you meet if they like to collab a lot and how they like to do their YouTube videos.

- I recently went to an event with people who had nothing to do with YouTube. And it was just kind of refreshing actually, just to talk to people who are just doing normal jobs. - You can't discover people outside of the internet exist. - It's like, wait, there are people that aren't YouTubers? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Aren't YouTubers and have nothing to do with the anime industry. 'Cause now that like, it's weird because now that our hobby has turned into our jobs, like we naturally socialize with people who are just

also to do with our job because that's our hobby. So it was weird talking to people who were just like working. - So TLDR, you went to a bar. - Yeah, pretty much. - You went to a place with normies. - Yeah. - Guys, they're pretty cool. - Yeah, like I have a whole part of my life that has like literally nothing to do with like YouTuber. Wow, my fucking earring just fell off. Anyways, but anyways, so I'm gonna just try and get that. But there's like a whole part of my life that has nothing to do with

- Yeah, 'cause I'd say outside of your earring falling down, I think you're probably one of the more private YouTubers that I've met. - I like how we just went straight into it and you didn't introduce yourself. - Maybe you should explain it. - We know everything. - Joey, they know you, but go on, go ahead. - Just in case for the 1% who don't know.

- What your relationships are and who you are. - Oh gosh, where should I even begin? - Just if you had to explain to someone at the bar what your channel is about. - Oh man. - Pretend you're talking to a normie. - I actually like just hang out with mostly normies outside of like just YouTube. And whenever like someone who doesn't know who I am, like when they ask, "Oh, what do you do?" I literally just say, "I work from home." It's just the easiest thing to say. 'Cause the moment that I say,

that like I'm a YouTuber, maybe you guys have like had this, but I just feel like that just opened so many doors. - That means nothing in 2020 'cause everyone's working at home. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just like, oh, I do like marketing. It's just, I try to pick up the email. - I do marketing. - I did. - That's basically how I started explaining my job to my parents the first time I started doing it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I had to tell my grandma that I'm a comedian. It's just like, oh, I know those. - Yeah.

- No, and then I do have those moments where I say that I'm a YouTuber and then I just go into the details. - What's your YouTube channel about? - My YouTube channel, honestly, people have just said she's not an anime channel anymore or she's still an anime channel. Honestly- - We can get into that later though, into all that stuff. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - What would you call yourself? - I'm just more of like just an otaku channel.

someone that lives in Japan that just shares their life and what they like to do here. But I don't know, it's weird because I still don't really know what I am because I used to call myself just Anime YouTube, but then like I'm too JVlog to be anime, but then I'm too anime to be JVlog. So I just thought, oh, Otaku Channel. That's probably the easiest thing. - Who needs labels? I don't really give a shit. - Yeah, I'm just stocky dearest. - I feel Connor's in the same realm though, right? It's like- - Yeah, pretty much. - Yeah, he'll call me an Anime YouTuber and I'm like, I don't have-

I mean, we both do stuff around Japan. Like, and it's just like... I don't know. I feel like as an anime fan, especially when... Like, as an anime fan, I do all these other things in Japan because when you like anime, it just puts Japan in front of you. And then it just puts, like, all of these other things. So that's why I'm okay with talking about, like, I don't know, just, like, Japanese products or, like, you know, just...

when I blew up, I talked about Vocaloid because I always just thought, even though it's not an anime, it's just something every anime fan knew. It just somehow made its way. - It's kind of just like the weeb culture. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, essentially. - I feel like you don't need to know anything about anime to watch my content, but I feel like you get a lot more out of it if you are into that kind of culture and that kind of humor, I guess. - Yeah. - I feel there's a lot more like,

quote unquote, "Anitubers" or kind of going in that direction too. Like I'd say like I'm going in that direction. - I think that's where most anime YouTube is going because anime content is just not performing well. 'Cause not performing as well. - Yeah, as it was. Like you can't make like a 30 minute. - I think this season has been really good for anime content, but for the past year,

- Right, like 2020 and 2019 was really rough for anime content. - It's funny 'cause I feel like it's really just the hype that Attack on Titan has brought that has just reminded people, oh yeah, anime exists guys. Anime actually exists. - Yeah. - And that's to say that like- - That kind of trickles down into everything else. - But like you can't make like a 20, 30 minute analysis video on some seasonal show. That's not the biggest one.

now and get half as many views. I never really even watched them too much in the first place. I just kind of watched stuff and that's why I like. Because you went to like anime conventions and stuff. Yeah, I went to anime but like, you know, I mean, I was just a pleb. Like I just watch shit but I don't actually like think that deeply which is weird because like in the beginning of my YouTube I used to do a lot more analytical stuff and one of them I think is like your favorite series that I dropped a long time ago. Everything you didn't know about, right?

- Yeah, yeah, that one was pretty fun. That's when I did like some detective work going into an anime of like what every reference meant. My favorite ones though. - That got so oversaturated on YouTube. - Yeah. - The what? - It did, eventually it did. - 107 things you need to know about Naruto. - Yeah, and like, yeah. - No, no, it was more like,

100 things you didn't know about Naruto, but like 97 of them really obvious. - I think it was like the Vocaloid videos that popped up and like the Vocaloid and I think Ghibli videos that popped up originally. - There's literally just one Ghibli video. And I remember like, there's so, I don't know why the fuck that,

blew up. Yeah. No. Also Vocaloid. What's funny is that the Vocaloid video the first one that went up I originally was not going to post that because I just thought oh no I'm just going over like Vocaloid songs who cares. But then and then the file was

Almost crashed like the the night that I was going to upload that but then like lucky luck Luckily enough, there's like autosave stuff So I went through like all these fucking files like please tell me that you saved it somewhere and I just uploaded and then the next morning like actually within that week then it started to blow up and I remember Yeah, we were still really early in our friendship And I think when I blew up I like gotten a call with you. I wanted to like vomit at like

Like the numbers that were growing because I didn't know how to handle it. Yeah, because you were getting like...

I think it's like a hundred K a week or something. Something ridiculous like that. - How did you guys even meet? 'Cause I don't think I've ever like told the story. - We have, but like, I don't know. - I pretty forgot. - Oh no, it's okay. So let's see. It was like, I don't think I was even at a thousand subscribers, but- - You were like 800, I think 700, something like that. - Yeah, okay. So I was looking for other YouTubers to talk to. So the last time I was on YouTube, it was under another name. It was called school girl 101.

- Amazing. Why didn't you stick with that? - Okay, no, I will tell. - The Anime Man and School Girl 101. - This will all like wrap up to when I meet Joey, all right? So when I was like 12 or 13, when YouTube was like first starting, I had like School Girl 101 and I used to upload a lot of AMVs. I loved making AMVs and it was like a community in itself. AnimeMusicVideos.org, is anyone here?

Is anyone here old enough to remember? You know that? - God is in that era. I think Connor and I were a little too young for that era. - Oh yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah, so I was, that website was religious to me. So I used to upload that stuff and this was before copyright music and any of that was a thing. - Did you put like Linkin Park? - I absolutely fucking did.

- The amount of times I've watched the one big upload of AMV Health 3 that was uploaded to YouTube is just like uncountable. - Remember we used to call compilations cracks? - Yeah, I remember that. - Dude, oh my God, I remember that. So yeah, no, I was uploading AMVs and then I dwelled into, I don't know how, but-

Somehow in my deep searching of like anime related stuff, I found visual novel openings, but I couldn't download visual novels 'cause they were like really strictly just in Japan. - They were fucking impossible to download back then too. - But the openings were available on YouTube, which I still have those saved on my current account today in private. But yeah, so then I found like all these websites and I uploaded all of like the opening songs on that. And then they were all like hentai, so I got banned. - So you uploaded hentai onto Schoolgirl101? - Yeah, I did. - Wait, why did you pick the name Schoolgirl101?

I promise it was not nothing perverted. I thought it just sounded cool. And I was watching Zoe 101 and I went to school. I was trying to figure out where the 101 came from. Cause I was watching Zoe 101 back then. And, um, I, I was a school girl. Like,

But like when I look back, I'm like fuck. - I think one of my names is like Xbox best Connor or something. - Yeah, I don't know. - Because I'm the best at Xbox. - Yeah, no, the cringe you used. - That's like the same logic I came up with. - Honestly, I'm glad that like I got that YouTube account got banned. I'm kind of sad all those AMVs like just like went down like the shit. - All those Linkin Park. - I know, it was like Evanescence and everything. I definitely went down that route. - So your school got 101. - Yeah, okay. Yeah, that all got,

- That all went away. And then I just watched YouTube from behind the scenes. Then one day I just, I decided I wanted to do YouTube. I wasn't even at a thousand subs. And because I was so close in that AMV community, I didn't know where anyone was anymore. So I was like, let me get in another community. Joey was the first one that I found that was closest to my age. And I thought that like, he was really funny when he was playing Nick Opara. So the very first time. - I thought you were so funny. - Love it.

- Watch it all the time. - No, no, no. - I was like, put that one on. - Yeah, I love that one. - What a classic. - It wasn't even like the first video of that Nickel Power series, but when I was watching it, I just thought that you were really funny. So I was like, is YouTube DM still a thing?

I've been gone a long time. - YouTube DMs. - Yeah, so. - Oh my God. - That's how far back we're talking. - We're going far back now. - Legit, like so I messaged him on YouTube and I said- - How many subs did Joey have at this time? - Oh, not even like 10K, I think. - Oh wow. - Yeah, I maybe 20, 30. - We were both very small. - No, I think I was like 20, 30K maybe. - Joey dated a fan?

- Joey, the anime man exposed. - Yeah, but like, look, okay. So I'm from a part of YouTube where subscribers actually weren't really that big of a thing. - Anything under like around that size, you know, like a thousand. - It'd be a bit of a different story if I had like three million. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean like, it's whatever, but like when I, so I sent him a message and I said, I called him, I called you anime man. And I was like,

So fucking weird. But it's like, hi anime man, I saw your Nekopara video.

thought you were hilarious. Do you like doujins? If you want, let's read one together. - You found this fucking Pokemon doujin of God of War. - Yeah, and I just thought- - I was like, we should read it on camera together. And I was like, all right. So I got on a call with her. - No, no, no, hold on. But there's something in between. But like, because it was YouTube DMs, I was not expecting a reply. 'Cause I was like, I think it was like 2014, 15 times have changed, but my mind was all the way back.

literally in an hour you replied back to me and you told me that like later on that you had not really looked at your YouTube DMs until that night and I was at the very top and had you not seen it that night, this wouldn't have ever happened. - It was like purely coincidental. - Yeah, and then after that- - 'Cause who the fuck went through the YouTube DMs? - Exactly.

- I think YouTube got rid of it now, right? - I think it still technically exists somewhere. - I thought it was just buried. - You don't have an archive. - No, I don't. - That's so sad.

- I don't know, maybe it's something. - I don't know if I want to, to be honest. I don't wanna see a message of hello anime man. I mean, that's the beginnings though, right? - No, but there's a video on his channel of where I still called him anime man. It's when we were playing Orange Juice 100%. - Some shitty anime game. - No, it was called Orange Juice 100% or something. I'm doing it for them. What was it called? - I don't want them to look at the video

- So I'm trying to be inconspicuous. - Yeah, yeah. - Don't put it on the screen. I swear to God. - But yeah, so we were just really good friends for like a couple of years and then he got trapped in Canada and

- Hold on, you gotta explain why I got trapped in Canada. You gotta just say that. - Oh yeah, because then he- - I lost my passport. - Yeah, he lost his passport. He was really stressed, but I had no idea that you were in Canada. But this is like, we had been friends for a long time and we had been calling so frequently. I was like, I'm gonna just tell him I like him. I don't even care. I'm just getting a call. And that was the, like, you were still at your hotel, stressed out of your mind. I was like,

I really like you. - Now is not the time. - Was there a process where you thought about this is the right time to tell him or were you just like, he's stressed out of his mind right now, fuck it. - I didn't know that he was in Canada. I didn't know that he was trapped there.

I didn't know that you were like going through other shit. I was like, I'm gonna just tell him, whatever. - I hadn't eaten in like two days. And the first thing I get is like, I like you from "Archideas" and I was like,

- There's a Denny's down the road. I'm fucking starving. - No, but then you know what's funny? You were so disoriented. And also like, so I don't know if anyone knows this, but I'm Joey's first girlfriend, like real girlfriend. - Like proper girlfriend. - Yeah, proper girlfriend. You had seen some other people in the past, but. - But it was like high school relationships. Like I don't count those. - Yeah, yeah. So what was funny is I think he was so dense. Like I literally said the words, "I like you" a lot.

And then he said, "Wait, are you saying what I think you're saying?" And then I said, "I think I said it." - I am dead ass that dense like harem protagonist. - You like me. - I don't know, what I'm saying. - What are you trying to say right now? - What are you trying to say right now? - I was like, "I think I said it." Yeah, so yeah, but from there, like,

- Actually, I think we talked for like 10 or 15 hours that day. - Yeah, 'cause I had nothing else to do 'cause I was in my fucking Toronto hotel room. - Oh, so I was just a liability. That was a special moment for me. - I miss being like 19 and just being able to spend all day on a Skype call. - Yeah, right? - Yeah. - We used to be able to do that all the time. And it was with that group of friends where it's like,

- It didn't matter if nobody talked. - Yeah, yeah. - Like you were just on it. - What's the longest Skype call you guys have ever been in? - Together or just ever? - Just in general. - I think it was the one with her where I was in a Skype call for like 12 hours or something. - Yeah, yeah, 12 hours. And then after that, I think,

when time came, like you finally got back to Australia and then we gave it time to think and we were like, and we were both blowing up around like the same time. - You mean our channels were? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Not us. - Sorry, sorry. - I can't hear the word blowing up without thinking about that meme of that guy's like, "When I blow up."

- I don't know nobody. - Yeah, so because, no, it's cool. And then when our careers were finally taking off, we just kind of got in a talk and said, this isn't going to work and we're too busy. And I don't know, I feel like we're both- - Well, it's also because I was in my last year of uni at the time and I was stressed out in my fucking mind 'cause I'm like, if I don't knuckle down on this shit, I'm not gonna graduate.

- I'll be playing Corpse Party 18 hours. - Yeah, yeah, I can't be doing free translations for a Corpse Party visual novel. Like I got to fucking knuckle down. So like, that was like, so at that point, like I not only like ghosted you, I ghosted everyone on YouTube. - Yeah, yeah. - For like three months. - Last year of uni, do be like that. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, so I remember, and then in the meanwhile, I was just kind of doing my own thing. Fast forward though, AX comes around and then we both message each other. And I think that was also like my samurai,

buyer video had just come out that day and that's when you DM me or something. - Oh, good old samurai buyer, you don't know that shit. - And then I was, I guess we just got like this private talk, but I was just like, okay, yeah, we're going to AX.

I'll see you there. And so we met and yeah, I guess- - That was AX 2016? - I think so, yeah. - Yeah. - Something like that. - I was like, I think watching you guys at AX, 'cause before we even, did we speak at that point? I think so. - We spoke, but we hadn't met. - I think so. That was when I was like, I don't care, I'm going to AX next year. I felt so left out seeing how much fun I was having at AX. - Was that the AX I first met you or was that the AX before that? - Before, I think. - It was the AX before, was it before?

- I don't even remember. - I can't remember. - It might've been the one, no, it might've been that AX. It was that AX, yeah. - Okay, I think my first one was 2017 AX. - Yeah, so my one was 2015, I think, 2016. - Yeah, 'cause you've been a few times before me, right? - Yeah, that's right. - Yeah, 2016 was the first year I met you and Jeff. - Yeah, that's right, that's right.

but I think I'd gone to one before that. I don't know if anyone else had gone. - No, 2016 was the first one. - I've gone to AX like every year since I was like 13. - I'm so jealous. - So you've seen the scene evolve over time? - It's honestly just been so fucking crazy. - What was the first year you went? Like what year? - I don't even know. I actually don't know. - Do you remember like how old you were roughly? - I was maybe almost five.

- 14 or 15. - Oh my God. - Yeah, I was 14 or 15, my first. - Yeah, it's 2013. - Yeah. - Not even, that's like 2010. - And that was back then where like the line was big, but it went by fast, like day zero wasn't a problem. Now seeing it nowadays, like I loathe day zero. Like I don't- - Line con. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, line con basically.

So yeah, no, it's been crazy to see like just kind of the progression of things. And I used to watch videos of AX back in 2007. And if you look at any vlogs of AX of 2007, they will say, oh my God, it's like so packed here. Literally, it's just like the- It's like 3000 people. Yeah, but that was like,

- That was a lot back then, you know? - I mean, it's the "Pediflow" videos that you watch, right? Because I watched exactly the same thing. 'Cause I remember back in- - So, who is this? - Okay, oh, sorry, no, go for it. - Okay, so it's basically a guy who,

seemed to be very influenced by Kassem G. - Good old Kassem G. - Good old Kassem G. - Old YouTubers. - But what he would basically do is just, he would go around AX every year and just vlog it and do interviews and stuff in the Kassem G kind of style. - I was like trying to like point them out to be kind of like more stupid. - Yeah, exactly. And me as a weeb growing up in like the mid 2000s, never been to a convention in my life. And especially the UK scene. - Well in the UK, I mean. - Exactly. Especially in the UK scene,

seeing these vlogs, this was like Mecca to me. I remember watching these vlogs and I remember thinking, I'm gonna be there one day. - It was legit like the greatest thing I had ever seen in my life. Like, okay, by the way, if you guys ever wanna look at him, PeeDeeFlo, I don't know if you're still around watching this, but it's like P-E-E-D.

- P-D-E. - It'll be on screen. - Literally P-D-F-L-O. - Looking at the AX vlogs, I was like, this is blowing my fucking mind. - I think one thing I was always jealous of Americans is that like, it just seems like they just accept any side of like weird culture. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And then in the UK and probably Australia as well, right? It felt that like, if you were into stuff that wasn't like super normal, it felt like- - That was bullying material. - Yeah. - I mean, AX brought money in.

- Yeah, but like watching like being from the UK or Australia watching American conventions or like seeing just the way they treat nerd culture in general in the US was always so jealous. It's one of the reasons why I always wanted to move to the US. I mean, obviously now it's very different place. - Kids have it easy today. - I didn't give a shit back then. I was like, I'll go anywhere. But because back then to me, America was like this whole like mystical place. And then obviously now- - Mystical place.

- It was. - It was. - It was like a place where everyone could just do what they wanted. And like everyone could like whatever they wanted. And there's always a huge, always like a huge place to go if you liked a specific thing, there was always a big convention of like-minded individuals. - I think it's also because like, especially compared to like the UK, especially like America was just so much fucking bigger, right?

So it just felt like there was more stuff there. - There was like huge nerds and like otakus in the UK, but because you would, again, you would just like look down on them. - We couldn't find each other. That was the biggest thing. 'Cause in America, it seems like there was always a place for somewhere wherever you wanted to belong. And I remember looking at AX or like all these con videos and thinking, man, God, I wish that was me.

- You look like I belong there. - Oh my God, I remember when I went to my very, very first convention and I just felt like this was right. Like I knew that this was where my heart was supposed to be. - I felt that too when I went to your convention. - Yeah, I was like, yeah, 'cause then it's just like, remember like back then, like, 'cause we could not find each other and even in the US it was still like this, it was more online than anything. But when you found someone it's like,

"Oh, you like Naruto too?" And then you just instantly connect. - Well in Australia, there wasn't even an online scene. - I feel like it's almost like in America, I don't know if this is true, but parents kind of are more accepting of weird hobbies. In the UK, man, my parents would give me shit. - Yeah, my parents were that close to my life. - I would come down for dinner and be like, "Oh, it's the anime fan." - Yeah, my parents used to be really kind of like

weirded out about the fact that I liked the anime. But now my parents are very rare for their generation. They love YouTubers and streamers. They tell me shit that even like I haven't caught up to yet. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like they know literally everyone. And then so what's funny is like I'm logged into my YouTube account also on the one at home back in Vegas. The reason for that is because of time zones, my mom checks to see if I got like a content, like copyright claim and she goes to my account and then-

- She's literally your manager. - Yeah, she claims that for me. And then I wake up the next morning, I was like, "Mom, did you claim this for me?" She's like, "Yeah, yeah, I was just looking at it." - Meanwhile, my mom's like, "Who's your Swiss friend, PPD?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - My mom will occasionally go, and there's been a big YouTuber in the news. She'll be like, "I heard this Logan fellow was in a party."

- I couldn't believe it. - Do you know him? - Are you friends with Logan? - No, my parents have definitely done their hardest to try and keep up with the times. - My parents do try, but they're just too out of it. - Yeah, my parents are the same. - My parents have really changed since Trash Taste started.

'cause that's just given them so much content to watch. And now it's gotten to the point where every single clip and every single, now we have like official and then unofficial clip streams as well. And that's all been recommended to her. And she watches like way more content than I do now. Just purely of like us, I guess. - Yeah, my parents are kind of just like, you know, we don't like support what you do. You just kind of do it.

- We don't support what you do, but you do your own thing. - No, my dad. - We do not support Joey and his job. - No, my dad's straight, like in the Q and A that I did with my dad, my dad was straight up like, "I don't really like support what you do. I just kind of let you do it." I'm like,

- Thanks dad. - The only thing about having parents that are so in tune with what I do is like- - That would annoy me. - It would annoy me, yeah. - Them giving me feedback about my thumbnails. - My dad doesn't give a shit about what I do and yet he's still like, "Yeah son, I didn't really like that video you made." - Same as my parents as well. - I was like, "I didn't fucking make it for you." - Yeah, no. And then dude, my parents,

- My parents, like they used to back when it was like used more, they looked at like social blades and stuff. Like they were, they're very into like- - That's like a little too- - I don't look at my own social blade. I don't want my parents to know. - My dad was, he went through a point when he was just literally clicking and refreshing it. And I was just like, "Dad, this is not healthy. "What are you doing? "Please stop." - That's kind of cute though. I don't know why. - It's like, "Oh, I want to see you grow." - Oh man.

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Anything when you order and use promo code TRASHTASTE at liquidiv.com. Get better hydration today at liquidiv.com, promo code TRASHTASTE. Back to the episode. - What are we talking about? - You said you didn't really want to be a YouTuber. - When? - Did you? - When did I say that? - I haven't said that, at least earlier on. I mean, when I started YouTube,

- I mean, I didn't intend to be a YouTuber or anything like that. - I don't think anyone is. You just kind of do it. - I don't think anyone just wakes up. - 'Cause I just made this video 'cause I thought I could make this funny video and I wanted to show my friends. So I was like, I'm gonna make this for me and my friends. And I just put it up.

put it in a nice little package. And then I thought one and done, that's it. - I feel that's like the kind of secret formula to being a successful YouTuber, right? It's like people who start a YouTube channel with the intent of like, yeah, I'm gonna be the fucking next PewDiePie. It never works. - I'm curious, like what made you wanna do that first video? What was your first video as well? - That wasn't like an AMV or anything. - Oh, I remember. I think it's still on there.

I was playing this visual novel of a Dramatical Murder. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's literally like a five minute clip of it. 'Cause it was like during like the final scene of like me trying to get with like one of them. - Just heavy breathing? - Actually it was, it was. It was, it's still on my channel. And it's me and my mic. It's me and my microphone. I was like, okay guys, so I just got a clear here. Let's see. Oh my God.

It's like me just doing that the whole time. - Was it like the whisper scream? Like, oh my God. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it was like 12 minutes. I think that made my first video, which was like Christmas Eve. - Your parents were in the house, right? - Yeah, they were. So I was like, yeah. So I was super like, you know, Minecraft YouTuber. I'm like, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening right now. But yeah, so that was my first one. And then I was kind of, no, I knew I wanted to do YouTube once I got my first paycheck.

- It's all about that toe baby. - No, but that's true. - I appreciate the honesty. - No, it's literally with anything. When you figure out that, oh my God, I can get paid for something, that you want to do it. - That you like doing, yeah. - Yeah, so I don't know.

So there was a video, I'm not gonna say what blew up, but it blew up and then I got my first paycheck and it was $300. And I remember I felt like- - The big dough. - No, no, no. - I mean, you say that, but at that time that was a lot of dough for- - That was a lot of dough. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - True, true, true. - And what's weird is like, this is gonna sound like really cheesy, but I felt like I was at a crossroads here that that $300 was perfect for the rest of my meals for college for the rest of the month,

or that was the perfect amount to get lights and a better camera. So I went that way and my mom was very concerned about the choice that I made. But I was like, you know what? This is just money from YouTube. So if this doesn't work, it's not like it was my own money from work. I used to work in a movie theater.

And then, yeah, once that happened, I remembered how much I loved making videos from like the schoolgirl 101 account. And I was like, fuck. And then I just felt like this fire going on. And I was like, I want to do YouTube. I knew from that point I wanted this to work. I was going to give myself a year to try and make this work. So what I did, and I guess it's questionable to some, but I told all my friends around me that you're not going to see me for a year because I want to do this. Because I had a...

It was a full-time student getting my psychology degree. And I only had time for one other thing and that was YouTube. So I did that. And then also I was in a relationship and that person didn't want me to do it at all. And I had cut it. I tried talking it out and- - Anyone who would stop you from doing something you're passionate about probably isn't the one.

- Yeah, no, and I knew right then and there that like YouTube was what I wanted from that moment on. And when he said he didn't want me to do it, I had no problems cutting it that way. - You're like, "Bye." - No, like, honestly, it was- - Understandable, have a nice day. - No, just like, and I, you know, also, I mean, it was a lot of pressure to try and balance a relationship out and, you know, give it a year. I remember,

I would go to school, go straight to work. And then because I had to like come back at like midnight after the last showing, then I would work until like sometimes up until 7:00 AM on some videos. - I think, you know, back when you first start, you have like no problem working. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause it's at the time, it's not like it's something new, right? It's only later on when you,

you've been doing it for a while and you realize, holy shit, this is unhealthy as fuck. - At the beginning you think, whoa, I'm getting paid to do something I like. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is cheating the system. - I'm just gonna keep going then. This is just a life hack. I can do this forever. - Well, in psychology we do say that like a job is when you say, oh, I only got paid that much for doing all that. A career is when you say, wow, I got paid that much for just doing that.

- I mean, it's pretty true. Big brain. - Yeah, so there was that. Yeah, and so since then, like YouTube just had its ups and downs, but I've loved it ever since. I don't see- - You've been doing it for how many years now? Five, six? - Maybe like six. - When did you start, like 2014, right? - I uploaded my first video 2014, but then I blew up in 2015, I think. - I feel like since I met you, you're like,

- I feel like you were the one who was like the most grindy out of anyone I knew. And then you like flipped the opposite where like I hit never hear you talk about it. And when you do, it's always like one big thing that you're working on. - I think it's because like, especially with personality, like you just, I don't know. So at some point you just,

you just want to get grounded again and you just realize YouTube isn't everything. It's still something I love to do. And now it is just my job. And now I don't really, that, that fire of me wanting to like, you know, I want to grow as like a YouTuber. I'm already there. So I'm just like, now I just kind of want to go back to my roots. And that's why I just kind of like, just talk with like my other personal friendos. Um, that just happened like over time.

- Over time, yeah. Yeah, YouTube just does some weird stuff to you. I think fame does that a lot as well. And just like the pressure of being a personality, there's like now this whole part of my life that has nothing to do with what I do. And I think you already know like some stuff that I do in private, like just for fun. - Was there a point where you've realized that or was it something like with that gradual that like built up over time? - I think it was a gradual thing.

- I feel like if you're some people, you know, love being in the spotlight and love having the attention on them and then others I meet and they're just like, they get crushed by it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Because I feel like some YouTubers who I've met who their YouTube is so intertwined with not only their job, but their self worth as well. - Yeah. - And I feel like- - It's like, if I'm not successful on YouTube, then I'm not successful as a person. - I'd say though, it was like the first time I started to feel like I was looking at it like a job was like really scary. 'Cause I was like,

am I losing my touch? Am I gonna be a bad YouTuber now? 'Cause I'm not thinking about it 24/7. For the first few months, I was really struggling to understand that it's okay to not think about this all the time. And then now I feel like I have a pretty healthy balance with it where I honestly don't really think about it that much. I plan what I need to do. - I think it also helps as well that especially you and I have really gone down in terms of how

'cause like we used to upload way more frequently than we do now. - Yeah, I used to try and do two a week and that was like- - I used to be daily, dude. - Daily is like, I don't know how you do that, but yeah. - I went from daily to weekly. - Fucking psychos right here.

- You used to upload daily as well, right? - No, I didn't. I used to upload just three times a week. That's it. - Just three times a week. - Just three times. - It really wasn't that bad. I mean, Joey at the time, like you, yeah, you did upload daily. I was like three times a week. - But that's what YouTube wanted back then.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Three times a week I don't think would work now. It would be unoptimized. - Yeah, I think I'm at a point now like, you know. - Not mid maxing. - I think I'm at a point now where like I just upload like once a week or whatever. - I think the audience has changed. I think audiences would just rather get something. Well, I think two weeks is kind of long, but one week, just a good video once a week and it seems to do the job.

- Yeah, no, pretty much. - Because it's so saturated now. - Yeah, and it gives me a lot of time to just live my life rather than, 'cause YouTube's kind of weird. I feel like people kind of go on either side of the spectrum. It's either like, it's like the business versus like the artists. If you are too far into the artist, then you kind of,

lose focus on like how your business is doing. And some people don't care about that, which is fine. But then you get people who like care about the numbers way too much. And then it kind of integrates into their life and their self-worth. And even just the people that they hang out with, like, unless they're a big YouTuber, I won't hang out with them kind of thing. - That's weird. - I'm definitely, it's sad because I've seen those sides. - And I think it's just like that side, like I've seen that so frequently, which is why like, I'm like, okay, I don't,

I don't wanna fall into that. So I decided to back up and just make my own private life. - It like really infuriates me when I've had people who I thought were good friends and then maybe I like introduced them to one of my friends and they're not like a YouTuber and they'll be like, "I don't care, here we go." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think that's the biggest tell for me where, especially 'cause whenever we travel or something like that, we always try to bring our friends with us, right? Even if they're not YouTubers or doing something else. - Even if they're peasants. If we bring them along, it's fine. - There's normies, there's commoners.

- Working in an office job. - I'm joking guys. - No, but sometimes you do got- - I used to work at the BBC. - Yeah, I know. - I mean, yeah. - I didn't mention that you did. - I mean, you know, like we always hear it as like kind of a joke, but it's true. Sometimes you, I hate saying it like this, but remember the little people, but more like remember your roots. Go back to that and like- - I just think, 'cause normally YouTubers tend to hang out with other YouTubers because

like the lifestyle is similar. Yeah. I mean like you're just there and that's fine. Like you can make YouTuber friends. I just don't like it when people like, it's obvious. Yeah. And it's obvious like you, it's so obvious a lot of the times where it's like, Oh hi. Like, you know, when they start like sucking another big YouTuber's dick so hard, like to the

It's just like, then the point, like what is the point of that friendship if all you ever want is just, like your friendship only exists on YouTube, but if it doesn't exist like outside of YouTube, then it's like. - For me, like the telltale sign of that might be happening with someone that I know is when the only times they will ever DM me is for YouTube Cloud. - Yeah, is when they- - And that's where I'm just like, ooh, okay, like you don't give a shit about me,

at all I've had a few messages where it's like it's really obvious that the only time they message is when they need something which is also why I very rarely do collabs on my channel the people I've done collabs on my channel is people like I genuinely had like a connection with because I'm very much a person that will show their emotions on camera because I'm not going to fake anything so like for example just recently I just collaborated with Sharla and Emma but those are two people that I've been friends with for years and just recently have I felt comfortable enough to actually do a video with them

So that's, if anyone wanted to know why I don't collaborate with that many YouTubers, that's why. And it's also the introvert in me. Any introvert will understand that like we keep the people, like we're very picky with people, but the people that we do pick, we keep very tightly with us. You're very much like the opposite to me on that.

I'm like, hell yeah, come on, let's go hang out. - Yeah, and that's fine. For me it's easier 'cause then I just know what people I already know want to hang out at night. But when there's too many people, I feel like, man, I gotta balance everyone out and then I don't, it's too many people to deal with. - It's hard to maintain. - A little bit, just for me anyway. - I just hope.

that like, you know, the people I make friends with, they're like, you know, they don't expect me to like- - The actual friends? - They don't expect anything out of it other than the friends. - Yeah, yeah, like they understand if we're like, we're both busy, you know? - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know. Like, yeah, I don't know. - It's not about like, you know, I'm friends with this person to get something out of them, right? - Yeah, exactly. Because for me, I don't do collabs on my channel at all. That's just because my content I felt doesn't really lend well to collabs, especially since like it's very scripted content.

I just wanna hang out with people. I don't care. I'd like never care about the collabs. That's never in my mind. I just like meeting new people. - Well, that's the thing, right? It's like, you know, I probably only collabed with like half the YouTubers I actually have become friends with. That's just purely because some YouTubers I know where it's like, it doesn't matter how much I bend this concept of like anime content. There's just no way I can integrate their personality, what they're about into the content. And you know, nothing against the YouTubers I know. It's just,

- It's just how the content is. - Not even against collabs, 'cause you know, watching you guys collab, I'm just like, man, that seems kind of fun. - It is fun. - It's really fun. And there's a part of me where it's like, I really want to be able to like make content that I can literally get any type of YouTuber onto.

because I fucked myself over with what I've called myself. So like, I can't really, you know, just do like a fucking outfit of the day shit and bringing on like, you know, just a female YouTuber. - 'Cause one of the biggest things I worry about as well is just the chemistry. 'Cause sometimes I see people collab and like, you know that's, you can tell on camera that that's the first time I've ever hung out. We've already had like, had an IRL conversation. - Yeah, exactly. - I actually recently did a video where I got my fortune told in Japan and I even-

Yeah, and there's like two things that are happening. So I show like the actual raw footage of me talking to the fortune teller. I had never met her before in my life. So my introvertedness actually came out in that where I only said like one word answers. But to be fair, I was also listening because she had a lot to say. It was a lot for me to

process but then there's the part of me that's like in my room where I was actually very outspoken and I think I even said in that video I'm like yeah you're looking at two different Aki's here that Aki right there is actually the introverted one and I'm just listening the one that's the real one no but and then the one that you're seeing right now is just my thoughts and I'm comfortable to get them

get them out right now. - Yeah, 'cause I think when we hang out, it's like very different to when we hang out and there's someone else there who you don't really know. - Yeah, pretty much. And then that's with everyone, like anyone that like, you know, when there's someone that's new, I mean, again, like I've learned this in psychology, but you tend to look at the person that you're most comfortable with, even if you're talking to someone else, it's like, yeah, you guys went to that park, right? Yeah, okay, yeah. Like eye language just says so much about it. And I'm definitely someone that- - I love making eye contact right away. I'm just like, hi, dude.

- With no other expression. - I actually had to learn how to make eye contact because- - It's a skill, I think it's a skill. - No, no, as a kid, as like a socially awkward kid, I'd be talking to someone and be like, "How's your day going?" - I have no idea where I learned social skill. How do you learn that shit? I swear I was terrible. - I don't know. - I think you just like,

especially when you become an adult, you're forced to. 'Cause like if you're that one like adult where you just can't maintain eye contact. - I swear I couldn't talk to anyone as a kid. Like I was terrible. - Yeah, I never learned. Like I've never talked to someone and being like, I have to keep looking into their eyes. - I have. - Really? - Actually there's been one anime that's been airing this season.

- And it's like- - We just need to remind you guys that this is an anime podcast. - No, because it's like relevant to me and that's why I really I'm watching it. And it's like, I think it's like Jakku or something like that is a bottom tier character. - Oh yeah.

- It's about this like pro gamer who has like zero social skills and he meets like this hot anime girl. It's like a harem rom-com. But the premise is that she teaches him social skills like they're a game. So like he, she gamifies it. - She gamifies. - Look at that eyes.

- Yeah, no, exactly. She's just like, okay, so this person brought up X topic and that like really defined the flow of this conversation. And it really like broke down like social skills and social circles and like gamified them. And that was like really interesting to me 'cause that's basically what I had to do in university. 'Cause I was just like, this is not natural to me. I've got to fucking engineer this shit. And then it became second nature along the way. But like I needed those training wheels

when I was learning it because I was like that socially awkward as a kid. - But that's like a cool way to learn it, right? Like, because it's like, it's a concept that you can kind of understand. - It's like, I think there's a healthy way and an unhealthy way to go about it. 'Cause some people just like take this and like gamify it too much that they just kind of become a robot. And I feel like it's healthy. - It's like, look at this person and then look at this person and then look at this person again. - It's just helpful. It's just helpful. It's like, it's kind of like training wheels. - Eye contact is hard, like too little. And then you're like, talk to me.

And too much it's like- - I've met those people where it's like hard eye contact that just, they don't even blink. I'm just like, that's, it's like I'm talking to an android. - You just occasionally look right, look away, look back. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know what's happening. - Exactly, exactly. - Who teaches this shit? How do I learn this shit? - No one does. No one does teach it. - You know what's one thing that drives me insane that some people do and some people don't do? If, okay, let's say we're all here, right? And then, you know, let's say Aki brings a friend.

It drives me insane when the person who brought the friend in doesn't introduce them to everyone. I'm like, I'm waiting. Who is this person? They're awkward. I feel awkward for them. - I've had times where because that person didn't do it, I've had to do it.

awkwardly go up to me like, oh, I'm Joey by the way. - Yeah, I don't have to be, who are you by the way? - Yeah. - Should be like, Aki, Connor, Connor, Aki. - Yeah. - Do you know one of the- - Right away, do it right away. - Do you know one of the biggest things that I found is important even though I never thought about it as like a kid? The handshake.

- Now that we've gone through, like met so many people, you can judge so much about a person by just their handshake. - The confidence which they whip out there. - Yeah, exactly. - It's an entire process and an entire science behind it. And sometimes someone whips out like the weakest handshake and you're just, you're not looking forward to this hand. - It is like the slimiest, coldest, like wet hand. - Or like, you know, when they just do this and they're just waiting for you. - Yeah, sometimes you just feel like you're grabbing like a dead piece of meat and you're just like,

- Hello, how are you? - I love it when the strength comes out, they turn their body slightly. - Yeah, the shoulder needs to come out. - That's how you know they're keen for the handshake. - Honestly, if you wanna make a good impression, handshakes are so fucking OP, right?

- They are, they really are. - The strongest ones that I've learned is like, you know, the shoulder out front, but also going in while maintaining eye contact, like that. - Don't even look at the hand. - That's what my dad did to you the first time he met you. - That was scary. - That was more of like saying a message when, he did it like this, like just shake, if I was like my dad and you were Joey, it's like,

- He like whipped the hand out. I was like, oh fuck, I have to catch this. - Yeah, and then after that, I remember like my dad, he boxes and we have also like a sandbag in our garage. And then like Joey's just like, you wanna see my new sandbag? And he fucking punches the shit out of me. He's like, oh, it's pretty good, huh? - And I was like, maintain eye contact, maintain eye contact. - But yeah, my life's kind of weird, I'm sorry. - No, that's fine. Can I tell a story of when I had dinner with your family without you?

- Was that in London? Oh my Lord. Oh God. - I had dinner with Aki and a whole family without Aki there. - Wait, can you please give them context? - I will, okay. - I wasn't invited to my own family's dinner. - So Aki's family was staying in a hotel in London

but I think it was quite, I mean hotels in London are very expensive. - Yeah, but I wanted to give it as a gift for them. - Yeah, so they were staying in a nice, in Bank, quite a nice area of London, quite posh. - Yeah, meanwhile these two are just staying at my house. - So like not even in the same city, quite far away. It's like the airport was Gatwick, so it's like 30 minutes up, 30 minutes down. - Yeah, so I had Connor kind of help me

- I felt so bad 'cause it was like in the middle of July or August. - It was during the heat wave. - Yeah, it was the heat wave and I took them on the underground on the central line, which is basically like the Yamanote line. I took them on the worst busiest train with all their luggage. It was so hot and I was like,

I'm so sorry. I could tell Aki's dad was like having a mental breakdown. 'Cause it was so hot, he had so much luggage. - And there's no AC in the room. - My dad also has like a really bad back as well. - Yeah, he was losing it. And I was trying to help carry as much luggage as I can. I'm like, "You good, you good? You wanna hydrate?"

- I took them all the way to the hotel and I think it's thanks they were like, let's invite Connor out for dinner. So I just had a dinner with Aki's family. - Meanwhile Aki and I chilling in Brighton. - Joey was like on my hammock or something.

- So bizarre. - I can't imagine. - Yeah, I remember Connor texting me. He's like, "I'm so sorry." My mom's watching this too. - Oh, hello. - Hello. - Your food is lovely that you prepared for me. - But yeah, no, I remember he was texting me being like, "Dude, I feel so fucking bad." - But your mom's always so nice to me, so she always made me feel really welcome. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Your mom's nice to everybody, I feel. - Yeah, she is. - It's very hard to piss your mom off. - Your parents are always super open and super nice. - Yeah, I like.

- The way they are. - I like my parents the way they are. - Your parents are just like, if you're a friend of Aki, you're part of the family. - Yeah, pretty much. - Yeah, and even more kudos if you're a YouTuber or streamer, 'cause at the moment they find that out, they'll keep like, did you guys watch Harry? - They'll be like, give me your analytics right now. - No, no, no, no, did you guys watch Harry Potter?

- Sorry? - Did you guys watch Harry Potter? You know Ron's dad like being really obsessed with like muggles. Yeah, that's my parents like with YouTubers and streamers. - It's a different breed of human. - I remember like that my mom, like she texted me being like, "Oh my God, Belle Delphine is back." And I was like, "What?

- I watched your sex tape. - She was like, "How do you think her OnlyFans is going?" I was like, "I don't know, I don't care, dude." So my parents are very on point. - I feel that whole welcoming side of your parents especially though, I feel ties in with kind of the Filipino mentality. - Yeah, so my family, funny enough, we actually are all introverts, but when you meet them, you wouldn't think so. It's mainly because if you're a friend of mine, then they'll more than,

be happy to open it. - Your mom kept giving me food. I was like. - That's just a Filipino thing. - That's Southeast Asian. - I was in AX and her mom was checking up on me more than my mom was. I was like, what's going on here? - I don't know what it is about Southeast Asian parents, just families where they try to solve

every fucking life problem by offering food. - Aki's mom has bought me more underwear and socks than my own parents have. That says a lot. - Yeah, my mom, she always like delivers just some stuff from overseas and she always gets like six bags of like Cheetos. - Like every time when I was a kid and I'd visit my family, I'd either be like, "Oh, you don't seem like you're eating well. "Here, have more food. "Are you feeling well? "Here, have more food. "Oh, you're not feeling well. "It's 'cause you haven't eaten. "Have more food." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you're fat, then they'll just be like, "Oh, you're getting so fat, eat."

- Which is weird, you know, like, I don't know if it's like in any other family. I just noticed with a lot of Asian families, being called fat is a good thing because it means that you're being- - You're being fed. - I feel that's a specifically Southeast Asian thing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, you're so fat now. Oh my God, do you have a boyfriend?

- Because that's not how it works in Japan. Like even if you lose weight or like gain muscle, you're like, damn, you got fat. I was like, I just gained muscle, but all right, thanks. Thanks for destroying my self-esteem. - That's definitely one thing about Asian culture that's like very different from the West where people aren't afraid to comment on other people's weights. - Yeah, right? - Yeah, where it's a very like, you know, it's a very sensitive topic in like, if you comment on someone else's weight in England or the US especially, but here in Asia, it's a free for all.

- It's like, we're just saying what we're seeing. - Yeah, you just meet like the amount of family reunions or family gatherings I've gotten to, I've been to, sorry. And people just, the first thing they say is like, "Damn, you're getting a bit fat, aren't you?" And I'm like, "Ma, I'm fucking fat."

fucking sit as fuck? What are you talking about? I remember I remember I went when we were staying at Garn's place and then like I don't eat spicy food which I know is like really blaspheming in Southeast Asia. It is. Yeah, I know. Sorry. But I remember like your mom was going to make us food and then she asked like is there anything that Aki can't eat and you said oh she can't eat spicy food and then she's like what?

I'm making curry, what do I do? So she tried to work around it and it was like those amazing fucking spicy noodles. I don't know what the name of it is. - Like Gaunt's mom dead ass came up to me and was like, "I have never made a Thai curry without chili." I don't even know if it's gonna taste good at all.

- I have never done this before. - Yeah, it was still really good. I had never had like those, what is it? Like those noodles. - It's like a Southeast Asian. - What's it called? - It's like a rice noodle. - Yeah, it's like a rice noodle. I can't remember the name right now. - It's fucking good. - Thai people are fuming right now. - Yeah.

- It's not very much of an- - What's even the English name of that? - I don't know. - Rice noodles, right? - It's like these- - No, not glass noodles. - Yeah, it's just like these piles of like noodles and then you just take them and dip them in the curry thing. - I don't know, it's on the screen. Mudan, you can figure it out. - I don't know what it is, but- - Every Southeast Asian is just like, "Ah!" - Fuck, I'm failing my own language. - I don't know at what age I realized there was more than one type of noodle.

- Wow. - Yeah, how did you like as a white man, as the token white man? - See, I feel like your view of noodles was like my view of bread. 'Cause like for me, every bread was just the same. I'm sure I'm saying this and everyone in Europe just like dies of it all. - What? Bread is so varied. - Yeah. - I think there's definitely way more types of bread than are on noodles though.

- No, I don't think so. - Ashley, can you look up to see if there are more types of bread than there are types of noodles? - 100%. - I think there are more types of noodles. - No, there is not. - We'll figure that out. - No, pasta is not. - Pasta is not a noodle.

- Yes, I'll have a noodle bolognese, please. - Oh my gosh. - Well, at least you don't try to eat it with chopsticks. - We're gonna start World War III with that one coming up. - Yeah, we should stop talking about food. We should stop talking about food. So you mentioned your real name at the beginning of this episode. - I did, yeah, my name is Agnes. - Is there anything- - Why'd you say it like that? - My name is Agnes. - You're saying it like an android. My name is Agnes.

- For the record, not even my family calls me that. So that's why I also didn't come out with it 'cause it was- - 'Cause who cares? - Yeah, who cares? - But like, is there like anything else? I mean, I guess we're just gonna dedicate this Trash Taste to like, news things that Aki's never said. - 107 things you didn't know. - Didn't know about Aki Dearest. - Oh God, okay. I don't even know where to start. I mean like,

- I was mentioning earlier, I could probably talk about the fact that I was in military school for like, or military class for like four years. - What is that? - So it's called NJROTC Navy Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps. - God damn, that was drilled into you, man. How many times did you have to repeat that? - What's the purpose of that? - It's when you wanna go into the military. - You want to go into the military?

- Yes. - Oh, okay. - To fight for their country. But yeah. - I noticed that's a very American thing. It's because like, I feel like in England- - It's very patriotic. - Yeah, it's very patriotic. 'Cause in England, nobody talks about wanting to go to the military. - Yeah, I almost did. - I feel like people just find themselves in there. - You rarely hear about kids who are like 15, 16 who wanna go in the army.

unless their parents are in it. - Right, right. - Yeah, so I remember when I came out on Twitter, I was just like, oh, you know, 'cause my mom had showed me like this old photo album and there was one of me in high school in my dress blue. So sorry, that's the term for the uniform. And I was like, oh shit, you know what? I never actually came out about that. And that was like a huge part of my life. - What age do you start that? - With the moment you hit high school, you can do it. - So what do you have to do? - Do you decide to do that or do your parents decide? - I did.

- Well, 'cause you from age like 14, you decided I wanna join the military. - So I did not join. - That's so American. - No, no, no, no, no. Okay, so my reason for joining wasn't exactly for like the most patriotic reason. It was because I had a crush back in high school. He was part of it and then he was like, "Oh yeah, like it's pretty cool in here." And then I joined and it didn't work out, but I stayed because I actually started

- Literally joined the military to impress a boy. - Yeah, I know, right? - Dead ass. - It was weird. So when I came out about it on Twitter, I had like this huge imposter syndrome. No one expected that of me, but- - But like, you're not like, so you can join this thing, but you're not like, you don't have to join the military.

- No, well, okay. So the one that I took in high school, which by the way, mine was actually the strictest in the entire country. This isn't just me saying it, like you can look it up, but like when you can join military if you want and you get credited more, like when you join ROTC in university or go to military academies. - So it's like an extracurricular? - Yeah, but if, yeah, basically. But you get credited really well, especially at the one that I went to. - So how many hours a week would you do for it?

- The average high school student has eight classes. ROTC is part of that schedule plus another one, so I had nine classes. - So what'd you have to do in military school? - Oh God, so a lot of people have misconceptions that like you have to learn how to fight and use a gun or whatever, but that's not for high schoolers. - Was it like super strict? You have to wake up at a certain time? - So it's a very disciplining thing. It's not for everyone. A lot of people get out in their first year. I stayed for all four, but basically like,

So you have like once or twice a week, you have to wear your uniform and yet it has to be completely perfect. They look at every crease and fold that you had to iron it. Well, like every time I put my hair up in a bun, they had to check for a little fly away. So that shit had to be like gorilla glue down, you know, which I didn't do. You saying this makes

- It makes so much sense because like we obviously we hang out like outside of this and- - I think this has caused me to have the biggest resting bitch face ever. - And like there'll be certain moments where you go into what I call Aki mum mode, right? Where you know, everyone else is a fucking monkey and then you're just like there and you're just there to sort shit out. It's when something goes wrong and you're just like, okay,

"Mum mode activist." And you're like, "What are you doing? "What are you doing? "I'm gonna sort this out, I'm gonna sort that out." Hearing this makes so much sense now. She walks into a room and is like, "There's not enough discipline in this room. "Time to slap it in." - So the program I was into, it's an extremely disciplining course and you get credited a lot back if you go into university. - So what's like a typical day?

- So in the school, you have to like go through inspection. So you all march outside and then you stand at attention and you have to just like, you have to learn the art of not showing any expression. And then you have to sound off. Like, so someone comes in front of you, the drill inspector,

and then he asks you a question and then you have to yell it in his or her face and say, sir, ma'am, and answer the question that he had. If you stutter, then you get chewed out a lot. It's a very disciplining thing. For example, in front of me, you would shit your pants every time when it was inspection first thing in the morning. If I had a girl in front of me,

I'd be so nervous. I'd say like, good morning, sir. And then she'd chew me out a lot. Chewing out as in like screaming. Oh, yeah, yeah. Chewing out is the term that we use when you're getting yelled at a lot. Yeah. So, oh, and then along with, I don't know if any,

if any other ROTC course ever did this in high school as well, but I did train also for four days every year at USMC, United States Marine Corps in San Diego. And that's with real drill instructors where you have to go into the barracks, you get pushed. - So bizarre. - Yeah, I know, I'm telling you, I had a huge big imposter syndrome and I can't believe I never came out about this on the internet.

- But yeah. - Because it just completely goes against your personality. - I know, it's like, I told you there's a whole different part of my life that has nothing to do with this. - 'Cause all I think of when it comes to like military class is like, you know, that scene in fucking Full Metal Jacket. - Yeah. - Where the dude's just like fucking yelling at them. - I honestly thought to make a video of me reacting to military movies and like ROTC movies just to see if they're accurate enough. But like, yeah. - Ex-military professional reacts. - So I'll just tell you this, like,

Being at USMC, you're never going to get more verbally abused than having four Marine instructors. Yeah, I can imagine. So what? When did you decide you weren't going to join?

- Oh, oh, that was- - Because if you completed over four years, I guess how many, like what percentage of the class that completed four years went on to join the military? - Wait, oh, like, oh, everyone that enlisted, like how many- - Like how many like- - How many ended up going to the military? - Actually went to the military? - I'd say like at least, like maybe half. - Half? - Yeah, like, yeah, it was 50/50. Because the thing is, it's like,

'cause like when you're in this program. - It's like four years, you figure out you don't like it. - Yeah, well no, because like, you know, people join this program not just to join the military, it's because it looks very good on your resume. So like you can literally do a lot of things just by saying that you even did this in the first place 'cause it's literally like not for everyone. - It's like doing like, you know, Duke of Edinburgh, right?

It just looks good on your resume. - That's what they said. - Yeah, that's what they said. - I'd say like when I first joined, every friend that I made, I'd say I only had one friend left by the end of it. - Did you enjoy it? - You know what, you feel actually a sense of accomplishment when you do it, especially- - That doesn't sound like you enjoy it. - Yeah, no, no. - I don't feel a sense of accomplishment with things I enjoy.

- When you're in it, like every day of your life, you're like shitting your pants, like not wanting to get yelled at. And it's like, I really hope I don't fuck up. Like shining shoes and all that, like, and just the physical and mental, like- - I just don't know why people would wanna do this. - It's because it makes you, because you toughen up and I feel like people are a lot stronger than that. - There's other ways to toughen up. - No, no, no. - It's a learning experience. - Yeah, it's a learning experience. And I feel like in any other situation, people would call what I went through abuse, but like you go in like,

and with the possibility of going to the military and you have to be strong. So in order to do that, you're pushed to your limits. - I've met some people who joined 'cause they felt like they needed someone to like guide them, like tell them what to do and get their shit together. - Pretty much. And it's not for someone who doesn't like being told what to do. I can tell you that. - Obviously. - Yeah. And the actual Marine Corps base, I remember like you'd wake,

you'd be yelled at for like pretty much the entire day then you go to bed at like midnight and you get to sleep for four hours and that's the only time of peace that you have to yourself and that four in the morning uh the drill instructors like come banging on the door and then they like rip your sheets off and then they tell you to get up and you have to stand at attention but you're like all dizzy and stuff and then by the time I uh I ranked up uh to chief petty officer which I guess it's just high ranking I got to be one of the people to chew out uh

other like cadets. - That would have been fun. - You know what all of that- - How did that feel? - So satisfying. So I went through like three and a half years by this point being yelled at and then now you get to be the person to yell at other people. - Making a bunch of psychopaths, aren't we? - So basically like we'd have like our, I guess like a platoon leader

we'd be lined up in front of the door of like our assigned cadets. And then she'd like whisper and count to three, like, and then on three, you all have to like smash the door and get open and then just go ahead. - You basically like fucking Kool-Aid man that shit. - Essentially, yeah, that's essentially what I did. And I made a few people cry at that. So I'd like- - Why'd you get so proud? - Yeah, because- - But yeah, fuck them all. - Is that like a badge of honor? Is that what you wear there? - That, but it's because like, it's so unexpected.

when you first meet me. - Achievement unlocked, cause trauma. - We got three criers in here, let's see who made cry. - Yeah, I don't wanna see your medals or achievement. How many people you made cry? How many kids you made cry? - Yeah. So no, I don't know. It was a learning experience. And again, it's not for everyone, but once you're done, like you're at least proud that you did it. - You know what that equivalent is? That's the equivalent of like, you know, being like the youngest in high school and you having to like wait for the seniors to go on the bus

- Yeah, yeah. - And then when you become the senior, you're like, out of the way kids, I waited five years for this shit. - That's exactly what that is. - All I'm thinking is, you must have really fucking liked this boy. What the fuck?

- I was a freshman, I was like 14 or 15. - Yeah, but still, even if there was like the girl of my dreams and she's like, "Finna go to the army." You wanna come? I'd be like, "I'm good, I'm good." - Well, I wasn't really told properly how strict ROTC was and I didn't realize that we were the strictest in the entire country. - But you would've figured that out first couple of times. - Yeah, but then I stayed. - I'm the kind of person who's like, "I'm gonna do it and ask questions after." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I am.

when I was experiencing it, like I stayed because I was like, I don't know. I actually really like this. What did you like about it?

- I don't know, because like it's really pushing you to your limits. To rank up, you have to do well in academics and you have to do well in physicals and you have to completely like pass it with flying colors if you wanna get to the rank that I did, which took four years. - So you say you got into this because you liked a boy. - Yes. - Was there like a point or a moment when you like in your first year- - This boy isn't worth it. - In your first year when you just like, when you just had this realization of,

"Oh shit, this is what I've gotten myself into. Fuck me." - Oh yeah, no, that was like in the first day. - I feel like- - And yet you were like, "Four years, easy." - I feel like without people like you, we wouldn't have raves because you're the kind of person who would turn up to something like, "Well, I guess I gotta do it now."

- No one likes the rave when they turn up and I just leave. - You know what's funny, when I was 18- - I'm committed, I'm here now. - What's funny, when I was 18, I actually held a rave. That was during a very different Aki time. - Where? - My house. - What? - You held a rave in your house? - Yeah. - Would execute me on the spot if they found that out. - Sounds like an American pie plot there.

- That was a very crazy party. But yeah, I think nowadays I have my other fellow cadets I went with, they send me DMs and they still call me by my last name. We never call each other by our first names. And they're just like, "Holy shit, you're on YouTube." And meanwhile, like-- - I do that too with my build provider.

- Yeah, have any of your friends? - That's my tax. - Have you guys ever seen messages from people that you didn't even talk to that recognize what you do now? - Yeah, all the time. - I actually got one message of this person who I hadn't talked to since school and she's a teacher now. So last time I met her was years and years and years ago and she messages me out of the blue to be like, yo,

- I haven't talked to you in years, but can you do me a small favor? - That's never a good sign. - And she asked me to record a message for her, for her students, 'cause apparently her students were like big fans of me. And I was just like, you know what?

"You know what? Fuck it. I'll do it. You can be the cool teacher for your kids. I'm gonna let you have this." And so I record the message and apparently after that, she was the cool fucking teacher. - It's so bizarre because ever since during uni when I was doing it, I never told my uni friends or high school friends that I was a YouTuber.

So like when I got all these messages on Facebook from like high school friends that I haven't seen in like fucking 10 years almost, them being like, yo, I saw you on YouTube the other day. I've been watching you for a while. I'm like- - What'd you say to that? How did you react to this? - I was like, thanks, but also, hey, it's been 10 years. Like, what are you doing? It's like, yeah, like how do you react to that? - Would you guys go to your high school reunion?

- I don't know. - My high school was tiny. So like, I felt like I was pretty good friends with most of them. - Yeah, yeah. I think I had like 30, 40 people in my year. It was really, really small. - I had like 20. - I had like 800. - Jesus Christ. - You had more people in your class than we did our entire school. - Yeah, my school was attached to another school, which was an English speaking school. And I think one of their years was nearly the same size as our whole school.

- Yeah, our entire school I think had like 600 kids. - Yeah, something around that. - And we were considered one of the biggest schools too. - Oh wow. - Australia really be all over the place with that shit. - I don't know, like, 'cause do reunions happen every 10 years?

- It's meant to be 10 years. - 'Cause who arranges these? - I recently looked at like to see if my school was doing one and usually it's on your school's website and there is a specific section for alumni. - Your school has a website? - Yeah. - Yeah, our school has a website. - Oh really? - My school has a website. - My school has like a section that says alumni. - Yeah, I've always wondered who, is it like someone from the year or is it like one of the teachers or?

- I think it's my students sometimes. - My high school reunion, which I couldn't go to 'cause I was busy at AX. - I was busy partying in LA. - I was just in LA. - I was busy in LA at AX, but it was sorted out by one of the people in my class. So it wasn't even the school that sorted my one out. - 'Cause for me it would be next year, 2022, it would be 10 years. - I imagine back when high school reunions were a thing, it served a pretty good purpose, which was you could actually see these people who you had

- Yeah, yeah. - Now it's like, well, I've got everyone on Facebook and I see their Instagram photos. - Well, even if you have some- - That's true, but I feel like the,

the purpose of it has really like diminished. - Yeah. - It's still good. I think I would still go because I'd like to see what everyone, I talked to everyone, but. - I'd like to, I actually, I really wanted to go, you know. - I'd like to go if there was like, you know, the teachers there as well, that you were like, you know, like catch up with teachers that you were really friendly with. - Surely it's gotta be like, you know,

depending on how you want to go, is depending on, is your life better than when you're in like school? 'Cause some people it's up or down. It should be up. - Right, right. - Some people, you know, maybe went down a little bit, you know, maybe their golden era was school. - Right. - And then it's like, all right, do I want to go? - That's true. Like yours was last year, right? Or this year, I guess. - What, the high school you were in? - Yeah, 10 years. 'Cause when, what year did you graduate?

- Yeah, so it'd be this year. - Yeah, it'd be this year. And that's why I was checking 'cause I was like, oh, it's reaching 10 years. And for us, we have our school's website and there's literally a section for alumni and it says like homecoming and you get to log in and say like, are you going? And I saw a list of everyone who's going and it's so organized. It's because our school's actually been around for a while so they've had the time, I guess. - My school barely has a Twitter, I think.

- I don't know if my school has a Twitter, go on. - Yeah, and like- - That'd be weird. - Yeah. - I follow my school on Twitter. - Really? - Yeah. - I think I just wanted to check who was going, but in order to do that, I had to sign up to the website, but I think it put me on the list. So then I got these messages from like old high school people like being, "You're going?" And I'm like, "Oh, no, no, no." - I'm just stalking you. - I'm just seeing, so. - I'm just lurking, I'm just lurking. - No promises, no promises, not gonna show up. - 'Cause I've heard like,

there are some high schools where like, say like they don't have a website where it's literally just someone from that year being like, so I've like booked the pub like down the road. - That's exactly what happened to my side. - Yeah, exactly. - It was literally just a Facebook group that everyone got invited to. And apparently some people showed up and I kind of wish I did. - I remember when I was in high school, obviously you see them on TV all the time, high school reunions, I'm like, I don't fucking see anyone.

I don't wanna meet anyone. I'm like that one edgy anime characters like, they don't all know. - They all bullied me back then. - They don't know that I'm 1200 rating in chess. - It's that fucking meme where the guy standing in the corner being like, they don't know I'm a pro card player. - The first three years I was like, nah, fuck high school. I'm too cool for that.

But then more and more it goes down. I'm like, you know what? I think I'd actually like to see how everyone's doing. - I'm genuinely curious, especially during quarantine. I had this like weekend when I'm just like,

- I wonder what everyone's up to. 'Cause I feel like you get that day, one day. - You wanna hire a PI? What'd you do, Garnt? - No, just like, you see what people are up to on Facebook 'cause you haven't talked to them in years. They had all these dreams and aspirations. You see some people who are able to, some people who have just been stuck in their hometown. - I feel like most people wanted that where I grew up. The whole, I think it was almost expected that you

never really leave the town. - I feel like that's like a small town mindset. 'Cause I feel like a lot of people, I talked to Sydney's family a lot and the people living in her town and everyone kind of just stays in that one town. And you're kind of like part of a clan. And if you leave the clan, you're like, you're banished. You're just like the clan, right? - You're like the one who thought you were too good for the lifestyle. 'Cause like nearly like,

most people in my family, like all generations live near the same area, like within an hour drive. And that's really weird to think about now that everyone lives within like an hour drive, like generations of family. So I'm like, wait, did no one have the idea to just like leave? - I feel like as a kid, it's like really, it's a really like exotic idea to live somewhere else and be someone new. But then I feel like you underestimate just,

how much you like comfort. - Yeah. - It really takes a lot for someone to be like, I'm going to live in a new country. And even for those of us who live in different countries, I know there are a lot of things about home that I'm sure you miss. And even if you really like the place that you live in, there's a lot of things you miss as well. - It's massive props to, I think all three of our parents, right? At least that had the balls to be like,

"I'm just gonna go to this country I know fucking nothing about." - Yeah, so my parents took it pretty easily for me. - Yeah, because it's like Thailand to the UK, Philippines to America, and in my case, Japan to Australia, right?

- I had like five generations. - That never moved? - Yeah, my DNA test is like 100% British. Like there's no one in my family who is from any other country in any like way. - Well, because like you also, like you not only, well, your parents not only moved from the Philippines to America, but they also moved to probably the most like non,

- Like friendly place for like non-white people, right? - Yeah, so I was technically born in Bakersfield, California 'cause the labor clock was ticking. But then as soon as I was born, they went to Virginia and then I lived half my life in a place that honestly sounds like the beginning of like an RPG game. It's called Mechanicsville.

It sounds like something in Nino Cooney, honestly. Yeah, it is like a JLPG name. Yeah, and then I- Starting village. Mechanicsville. What was weird is like, I didn't even realize I had like this weird, I guess, almost country twang to my accent until I came to the West Coast, to Las Vegas. And then people were teasing of like the way I say y'all or the fact I even say y'all a lot. So I had to kind of like- I didn't realize that Virginia, they say y'all.

- Yeah. - Because it doesn't, because you look at it on a map and it's like, oh, that's nowhere near Texas. - Texas is not the only place. - No, but like just someone who knows nothing about America, right? Like when you hear y'all, you immediately think, oh yeah, Texas. - You think southerner. - Yeah, right. - That's what I think. - But like Virginia is not even in the south. It's like kind of halfway up on the east coast. - But it is also like kind of like the founding ground. So that kind of spread out. - Yeah, but most people don't know that. - No one knows that except me.

- I like US history. - Oh really? - 'Cause there's barely any of it. - That's true. - Compared to the UK. - The UK history is so fucking confusing. - I went through a weird period where I was obsessed with your guys' history and culture. - There's so much of it. - And there's like so many bands that I love that none of my friends in the US can relate to. Like I think when we were at karaoke, Garnt was so surprised I was playing Kaiser Chief, I predicted

'cause it doesn't seem like, or Take That Shine. - Take That, just to give you, my mom and her friends love Take That. That's the kind of demo that they have in the UK. - The first time she was playing Take That and I saw the music video, I was like, wow, the Backstreet Boys got really old. - It's basically the UK Backstreet Boys for middle-aged women who are married. - Yeah, basically. - Kind of like their target demo. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, but like that's the thing, right? It's like, it's not until you kind of like look deep into like the whole like US, I guess like geography that you realize that, oh, just because it's not in a particular area, it doesn't necessarily mean they don't talk the same way, right? Like I thought, I don't know what I thought people in Virginia sounded like. I thought maybe they sounded closer to like people from New York.

- Yeah, I don't know. - New York's kind of like its own thing. - I feel like the way, some Americans are probably hearing this right now and being like, and cringing because I feel like the way we talk about American geography is how we feel when we hear Americans talk about Europe or something. - Yeah. - I think like someone from the UK, I think that British accents and like where they're laid out is 20 times more confusing. - Oh, 100%. - I think they are. - The US is so easy to keep track of where someone's from based on the accent. In the UK, it's like,

"Oh, this guy sounds completely different to person." Like A person sounds different from B person. They can either be like two hours apart or literally five minutes in a different town. - 'Cause what's confusing about UK accents is that you can travel a small amount of distance and have a widely varied accent. - Well, I mean, just in London, there's like 20 different accents, right? And that's just a city.

Whereas in Australia, I think Australia is the only English speaking country that doesn't have regional dialects or accents. - They just have like degrees of like strength. - But that's not based on where you are. That's based on how far off the coast you are. The further inland you are, the less you're able to understand them. - It's just an Aussie scale basically. And you scale up. You scale up the further inland you go.

It's like, oh yeah, you're definitely from the inland if I can't understand what the fuck you're saying. Because like Kevin, for example, right? He's from Perth, which is all the way on the West Coast and I'm from the East Coast. But if you ask someone who doesn't know Australian accent, we would say exactly the same. - You just sound exactly the same. - That doesn't work in America at all. Like in America, you can clearly tell if someone's from New York versus California, right? - You can pinpoint pretty well, yeah. Like even like Louisiana or like,

I don't know, like just from Texas to California, they just say like a lot. Yeah, I don't know. - I wonder, did your obsession with the UK start with "The Crown"? Is that why? - No, actually way before that. - Really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Sorry to interrupt you. - No, no, no, it's cool. - "Harry Potter"? - No, actually. - Oh, okay. - Where did your UK obsession? - You can normally pinpoint which show gets people into "The British". - "The Beatles". - What was the start of your Teaboo phase?

- Black Bala? - Did it start with Black Bala? - No, I thought. - No, no, no. I don't know. Is the Click Five British? - What the fuck's the Click Five? - I have never heard of that. - Come on. - What is it? It's a TV show? - After you watched The Crown, you were like- - May, can you look up the Click Five? - Yeah, after you watched The Crown, you were like Connor- - Are they British? - I'm gonna learn Welsh. - Can you just say that? - Nevermind. - They're from Massachusetts.

- Who the hell it was? I know I just listened to a band and then it just got me into British music. And then from there, I just got into British culture. I just happened to also be watching Harry Potter at the time. I guess that might have somewhere in there. - Yeah, but then you watched "The Crown" and you told Connors like, "I'm gonna learn Welsh." - Oh fuck, I love "The Crown." - Yeah, you were like trying to like speak Welsh and I was like, "Whoa, no one does this." - Because it was so pretty. Like I was just like, man. - Thank you, it is. - I think everyone said, no, so many people were like, "Wow, it sounds disgusting." And I'm like, "You just need to listen to it." - No, I think Welsh sounds fucking dope. - Yeah, I like that.

- I like Welsh, I don't know. - Best flag in the world. - Disgusting. - Best flag in the world. - It's just a dragon. - It's fucking epic, isn't it? - It's just a dragon. - Fucking epic, I love that flag. - Just a dragon. - It's just a dragon. Imagine saying it's just a dragon. - It's just a dragon. - Go play with your stars and stripes. I'm gonna go fucking dragon.

Oh yeah, I remember, okay, go. Sorry, one last point about the flag. Remember Joey said it's so hard to draw. No, it's not. You just draw a basic shape, you know it's that flag, easy. - He's so patriotic. You have a picture of your flag above your bed. - I did, I did, yeah. I did in London. - He has a picture of his, like, is it a picture or a painting? - It was a canvas. - Yeah, it was a canvas of the Welsh flag.

- Well, just to remind yourself in the morning being like, yep, still Welsh. - Because what happened was that when I was filming videos and I live stream, the thing, my wall was always in the back. I thought, well, why not let people know where the fuck I'm from and stop asking me. - I didn't know that was your flag at the time. I thought like, you know, when we were like on Discord. - It was like a Harry Potter house. - Yeah, I always saw it in the back, like behind Connor. I always thought it was like some kindergarten project that you worked on. 'Cause it looked like a painting. - Some macaroni ass kindergarten project. - Because it looked like painted.

- See this is, flags nowadays are fucking boring, right? Even back then. - What do you mean nowadays? They haven't changed. - No, because the UK flag is a new flag. Before that we used to have all these weird coat of arms that were like fucking badass and had shit all over. - Right, right, right. - When all the countries united.

- Yeah, but it's the Union Jack. Is that what you're talking about? - Yeah. - Are family crests just a UK thing or is it? - I think someone pointed out one time 'cause I said I wore a kilt to a wedding. That's only if you are in a clan, in a Scottish clan. Actually, my second name is a Scottish clan name.

And then you would get like a coat of arms or a symbol. - Oh, okay. - It's a family association. - That's cool though. - Yeah, yeah. So there's like a small clan. - There's something about clan that just sounds cool. - Yeah, right? - Except now that like gaming has just ruined the term clan. - Oh my God. - Join my gamer clan. - And like history, you know? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, it used to be, you know, it'd be pretty cool to be like, yeah, I'm in Scottish clan. It's bad actually, my second name's Scottish and a lot of my older, older family is from Scotland. - I don't know what it is about the word clan that is just so much cooler than like the word family. You know, it's like join my family, join my clan. - Family is, everyone has a family. - Yeah. - That kind of sounds like it goes to war.

- But you fight. - You fight, you die for each other. You die for the clan. - You took a blood oath. - 'Cause like, especially in Asian culture, like one thing that confused Sydney so much is just, we refer to like everyone as like brother and sister basically. - Right, right, right. - Like, so whenever I'd introduce like- - Some places in America do that too.

- No, but like in Southeast Asia, like if some stranger I've never met says they're my uncle, I will 100% believe them. Like, you know what I mean? Maybe that's another reason I also have never thought of dating like another like Southeast Asian, 'cause I'm like, it feels like I'm dating my brother or whatever. - Honestly, I'm exactly the same. - Yeah, like I just-- - Don't get too white, girl. - I'm just like, oh yeah, and Joey, like you're just half-o, so it's okay.

- Well, yeah, but I'm not Southeast Asian. I'm just Asian. - When I first saw your videos, I thought you were like Hispanic or Middle Eastern. - Yeah, everybody says, everyone links me like a Bollywood star. And it's like this year.

- Yeah. - That's the thing, it's three things. Do they have the scruffy hair? Do they have the beard? And is their skin slightly brown? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's Joey. - In Japan, especially when I wear a mask and he's wearing a mask, people think that I'm the one that speaks fluently when really it's Joey. - Yeah, I know, I hate it. I hate it.

- I mean, it's useful when you're taking your friends around. 'Cause I can tell sometimes when Joey just cannot be bothered to play translator. I love doing that sometimes. I remember I took my uni friends, my three Australian uni friends to Kyoto for the first time. And they'd never been to Japan.

And of course, 'cause I'm the only one who can speak Japanese there or have been to Kyoto. Of course I had to play the translator slash tour guide. But I was like, one day I just woke up. I was like, fuck, I'm so tired of this. You know what? I'm just gonna pretend I can't speak a word of Japanese. They'll never know.

And we went to this like really nice restaurant. And I remember the clock was ticking and we had to order right now 'cause the place was closing. And I was like, Joey, Joey, we want this, this, this, and this. And I was like, "Eigo menu arimasu ka?" And that was so pissed off. But I was like, "Yeah, now you know how it fucking feels." - Yeah. - I don't get paid for this shit.

- No, 'cause that's why I feel whenever I have like a friend round in Thailand where it's like, you'll do it for like a week or something and then it just gets tiring. - It really does. - Yeah, that'll be you. - Tell them what I want. - All the fucking time. - You just feel like you're hanging around with a bunch of babies and you just gotta do everything. - That's why I feel like you'll never ask you to do something 'cause I know exactly how that feels. Does baby want to milk? - That is flickering.

- So yeah, one thing I've always wondered is that, you know, one of the difference is that you guys definitely had a point where you kind of blew up with your YouTube and everything, which was like kind of unprecedented in our community. What was that like?

- Because I've always had this gradual growth where I've never had a point when, you know, I suddenly just woke up one day and woke up and a month later I gained a hundred K subs or something like that. - Right. - I think because you guys at one point got like 250,000 subs in one month. And I think that's the most that. - I think hers was bigger. I think, yeah, the max I ever got was like 150, 200 K in a month. - Yeah. - That's when you all started collabing.

- Yeah, and then I think your biggest one was almost like 400K in a month, right? - Yeah. - You had like 100K in a week. - Yeah. - It's ridiculous. - I remember that too. Like, as I think I said it earlier in the podcast that like when I called you, I wanted to throw up 'cause

like I don't know it's like I knew I wanted to do YouTube but then once like you see that number going up I suddenly felt like someone pushed me in the middle of a stage and said dance and then all of a sudden there was just like this huge amount of pressure over a video that I didn't even really take that seriously and then

- Because I remember like you- - Vocaloid. - Vocaloid. - Yeah, yeah. - Because I remember you made like a video which is like, you know, those good old like obligatory, like thank you for 100,000 subscribers. - I remember, yeah. - And then literally a week later- - I made it to 200. - You made, thank you for 200,000 subscribers. - I did do a 200K and then like, I think,

A week later, I was like, should I do the 300k? I'll just say it in passing in the video. So yeah, no, that was really crazy. And I can, I still can't believe that that happened like over six years ago. But I mean, maybe I wasn't really part of the anime community itself to really feel what

What that must have felt like especially for you like where you've been in it, right really heavily invested I was an AMV which is like a tear of its own so I wasn't really I watched like a lot of like your older stuff on that old account but Maybe I don't know maybe I commented on one of those old videos but other than that like I was just more focused of like what I was supposed to do and like that by that point Joey and I had already like

made a decision that we weren't going to work out. So we, I was just very much on my own thing and he was doing his own thing. But yeah. - Yeah, because you've kind of like transitions, you know, I've like talking to you like more recently, you've definitely tried to transition your way from just doing anime content. Like, was there anything that pushed you to do that? Or was it just like your interest kind of diverged a bit? - No, I think it's just because like everything I go, everything

everything I do now is stuff that I'm just honestly genuinely interested in. And like I said before, like anime just puts Japanese culture in front of you. And that's why I called myself an Otaku channel just because like, I'm not here to really give an analysis on an anime. There's so many other YouTubers that I think can do the job better than me. - I mean, even though you technically started in that field. - I know, yeah. - Everything you didn't know about was technically an analysis. - Yeah, yeah.

But like, I mean, I didn't go doing that series to think like, oh, this is gonna surpass everyone. I just did it 'cause it was fun to do at the time. But yeah, I don't know. Totally forgot what you had just asked. - It's kind of funny that basically every anime YouTuber we know now is trying to do their best to move away from anime content. - Okay, yeah, now I remember. Yeah, so I don't know. I think it's just also, it comes with being a personality.

that privilege that I can explore. And I know that everyone's gonna be okay with it as long as I'm in it. And so I just do stuff I genuinely like to do. Unlike when it was anime, I felt like there was a lot of pressure that I have to talk about a specific anime and then like have to talk about like what's hot right now. What is something I can say that no one else has said? When you're just personality and the world's your oyster, things are a lot more easier for you. - Yeah, I think anyone who gets like boxed into any type of content,

eventually feels like, oh, I wanna do something else for my audience. - Yeah, it's literally me. - I think every single YouTuber goes through that. Well, not every single one, but every single YouTuber's definitely thought about doing other content and it's either makes a second channel to do that content or changes their current. - I guess I almost was on that path of almost becoming a top 10 channel with everything you didn't know about series and I was like, I don't- - Well, that was a huge thing back then.

Yeah, it was a huge thing, but I was like, I don't want to keep doing this. So I like slowly, like I just thought it was just natural to just show my face. And the face that I decided to put myself in was the Vocaloid one, which I think also helped perpetuate my subscriber count at that point, because now you could see who I was, who was the person that was talking about this shit. So then through that, people wanted to know me. So then I started, I still did Vocaloid, but

In between, I had fillers of who I was. And then eventually, I gradually got rid of the Vocaloid stuff and just wanted to do my own stuff. And now that I'm in Japan, I was like, what anime fan doesn't want to go to Japan? And what anime fan doesn't want to go to, like, you know, different types of cafes? So I was like, I'm going to just do just that because I know that my audience wants to do this stuff. And I feel like I'm kind of like their...

what is it, not gateway in, I'm like- - Introduction. - Yeah, introduction. They're living vicariously through me, I guess, through this content. And yeah, I don't know. That's just the way I feel. - I get that 'cause especially one thing that makes me uncomfortable with my own content is when people kind of see us as like say ambassadors of anime where like,

I'm just a guy who just has an opinion. - What did Geegos call us again? The heroes of anime. - It makes me uncomfortable when people are like taking my opinion really, really seriously. When I say like, oh yeah, like I like X or like Y and people were just like, yo, Geegos said it, he ruined this.

community or something. And it's just like, dude, it's just, I know as much as I'm just memeing. I know as much as anyone else. - It really says something when like the audience takes your opinion more seriously than you take your own opinion. - Yeah, exactly. I feel that way with just not my, you know, my content, but with the trash taste as well. When people, some people take what we sell on trash tastes very seriously. And you know, sometimes we do talk about serious topics, but when it's just something about anime or something, I'm just like, come on, dude. - It's like, who cares? - Yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But one thing I have noticed, like I have to ask though, true crime. So,

- Every girl's newest topic. - So recently we've caught up and you started talking about your newest obsession and some of your new content, which is very true crime-esque. We've recently released a video on the Otaku killer. I found it funny because we hadn't talked for a while and Sydney also very much went into this phase. And she's like serial killers for a lot of times, but now it's like-

But now it seems like every girl is...

- I didn't see true crimes and true crime pro. - So you want to see from a female's perspective of why the fuck this is a thing? - Yeah, why? - What happened? - I like true crime and I don't really know why I like true crime. - No, no. - I just find real life. - I find that shit fascinating as fuck, but there's a difference between liking the content and it being the first thing I watch in the morning. - I did ask one of the girls, sorry, before you answer, I didn't want to, 'cause this made me laugh a lot. I asked, why do you like true crime? And they were like, oh, it's like preparation.

to defend myself in case this happens. And I'm like, yo, how often are you gonna come across a serial killer who specifically duct tapes like 10 victims together? - Yeah, 'cause it was funny 'cause like, you know, being with Sydney for so long, she's from Wisconsin. And one of the things that I'm probably proud of is that there are so many killers that have come from Wisconsin. - Isn't it like the number one state with the most amount of serial killers? - Come to Vermont, we have the most sex offenders in the world.

So she had always prided herself on like, you know, I am the serial killer otaku. And then suddenly in like the past year or two, every girl started getting into serial killers and true crime. And I'm just here thinking, where did this come from? Where did this start? - Honestly, I feel like just the blow up has happened because true crime YouTubers, specifically criminal psychology just started getting recommended. And it's like awoken something I think we all really like. 'Cause for me,

I never thought of this as a girl thing until like you told me when we met up and then I was like, no, that's not a thing. And then, you know, then the next day, like, I just remember like Charlotte, like texting me, she's like, yes, you're coming up. We're going to watch the true crime stuff. I said, yeah. Oh my fucking God. So, so for me personally, I always thought it just came from me really liking horror. And then I, that just, and me taking psychology. I, the reason I loved serial killer stories is not what they did, but,

but it's like the psychology that goes through it. Cause serial killers have a very, are a lot of them are very intelligent and the shit that they have to do to get to that point is it's almost like the more I read it, the more I don't want to think it's real. It seems like it's just so strange. It's so strange. So that's where, that's why I liked true crime. And then like with the, uh, the YouTube channel, criminal psychology, I just like it that someone had, you know, the patience to take like the raw,

interrogation and break down why they ask these questions because you can't help but applaud some of these like interrogators that they do this for a living and they know exactly what questions to ask you not for you to answer but to just see how you're going to respond like sometimes they leave you alone just for you to stew in your own thoughts and I just and Garmin was laughing at this because I was like I sometimes feel like when I watch it I'm the one being interrogated

Like, I feel like I have to lie myself out of this. I'm just watching the fucking thing. But yeah, so then I started the true crime stuff in Japan because in Japan, I've always just thought, you know, there's always that thing. Everyone knows that crime is really low in Japan. But when shit happens in Japan, it's from like zero to a hundred. It's like in America, it's nothing like

weird take this with a grain of salt normal like guy kills girlfriend for cheating on him right it's not that it's like I'm going to like burn everyone alive and like post it like on 2chan just because I feel like it and it's like nothing builds up between that so my true crime stuff is like I want to look back of what the fuck

to this guy. - It's like an absolute black mirror sometimes. - Essentially, yeah, I love black mirror. - I think it's also just like, in the US they might assume that it could be something bad that's happened, right? 'Cause crime doesn't happen that much. The police never think that this guy might be going after children or something.

- I also noticed that with at least Japanese like true crime, a lot of like, I guess people in Japan don't talk about it 'cause they don't like it. - It's taboo. - Yeah, it's like, no, don't forget it, let it be. So it's really interesting seeing like people like yourself trying to find stuff out about it 'cause it's like so buried 'cause they don't wanna talk about it. - Yeah, pretty much. - Before you go on, sorry. - I completely forgot what I was gonna say. - Again, like, but then like I totally get the obsession in that, right?

And I totally get like, you know, watching these interrogation stuff, super fucking fascinating. - Why do you wanna know why it's all girls? - Yeah, but like, there's a difference again between like, you know, looking at an interrogator doing his job and being like, wow, the psychology behind this is fucking fascinating. And you know, fucking waking up like seven in the morning and you just, from the living room, you just hear, his arms were cut off.

- Her eyes were gouged out. - And I go in, I'm like, what the fuck's happening? You're just like sitting at the table eating cereal. Like it's nothing. - That's just our mornings. I was bonding with Joey on it to be like, do you wake up to true crime podcasts? And your girl listens to true crime podcasts 'cause I do. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like the sunlight's coming through, the birds are chirping, it's a lovely day and you just hear like,

And so he brutally murdered these girls in the most gruesome way possible. Here's how they did it. Number 10. Number 10. Remember we even went up to the north and we were meeting Sharla. And then you guys wanted to go to bed, but she's like,

"Hey guys, I'm gonna go upstairs. Does anyone wanna watch the True Crime thing with me?" I'm like, "I'll do it." And then she's like, "All right, let's go." And it's literally you and Luke. - Yeah, me and my friend were just like, "All right, see you later. Have a nice day." - I don't know. It's just like, because it's just people talking and well, no, I'm not also not- - Yeah, but then at the same time, right? It's the double-edged thing of like,

the girls will be like, "Yeah, we love watching true crime." But then when you tell a girl that you watched the two hour Frederick Newsom down the rabbit hole video, they'd be like, "Why would you watch that?" - Like, "Bro, they're amazing. What do you mean?" - Meanwhile, it's like, "I don't wanna watch a two hour down the rabbit hole episode. I am gonna go watch the six hour interrogation." - With some guy commentating over it, like, but.

- I bet he's thinking about other girls. The boys watching super monkey balls. - Did you watch the Netflix documentary about like the, I think it's like the hotel. It's about like the- - Yeah, the hotel where they find the girl in the-

- The water tank. - Oh, the water tank one. - Oh yeah, that's a really famous case. - I really liked that one because it was like, you thought like it's about this case and they suddenly were like, yeah, so about these redditors, man. It was really cool 'cause they actually like, 'cause it was quite recent.

it was like giving you the perspective of the cops at the time. And they were getting so frustrated that people online kept trying to fucking solve the case. And they wouldn't stop coming up with crazy ass conspiracy theories. And it made me think it was like, I was like, yeah, it must be so fucking annoying being a policeman now where everyone is trying to do your job. And it's like release every detail to us. - I was gonna watch that documentary and I brought it up to Akio. I was like, oh, they made a documentary about this case. And she's like, I already know everything about it. - Yeah, she already knows the details.

- So I never ended up watching it. - I gotta ask, 'cause if you consume a lot, where is the line with YouTubers talking about real life cases? - What do you mean? - Because do you think it's free game? They can say whatever they want, conspiracy theories and all, they can talk about it?

'Cause it's like kind of rough. 'Cause it's like, you only have X amount of facts, right? How far are you allowed to talk about it? - So I went pretty fucking deep with the otaku killer one. With that one, I- - But you didn't present any theories, right? Like you just told the case, like the facts. - Yeah, when it comes to presenting theories, I would say that like,

I don't know because for me I want to go over cases that are already like closed by that point like and it's been a substantial amount of time since then you don't want to accidentally solve a case because like okay so I don't know if you guys knew but you've probably heard of that twitter killer in Japan I didn't even want to touch that because that was still going on and I didn't want to fuck it up

Like with my video, you know? - I feel so bad for these like, in that documentary as well. Like the cops and also the families. Like this whole documentary was going on about this hotel. You should watch it by the way. What is it called? Do you guys know? - No, I don't. I don't know what it's called. - I'm sure it's a good documentary. My problem with a lot of Netflix documentaries I find nowadays is that

it feels like they drag it out so much. I remember, 'cause I knew the basic details of this case because I've heard it from like secondhand, just hearing Sydney listen to different cases. So I knew the case and I was like, okay, maybe I'll find out a bit more about the details. And then I watched 60 minutes and the first episode was just literally building up the hotel itself. And I'm just like, I already know what happens. - Who cares? - I don't care about it. - It's a skid row hotel. - It's a bad hotel and they focus on this couple who's just,

if this British couple was like staying in a hotel and like, I don't give a shit about a couple. That's been my big problem. - It was pretty interesting. Cause it was like the only one that like looked at like the online critics or online like people who are trying to solve it in like a critical way. Cause there was another one that was called like, don't fuck with cats. - I love that one. - I love don't fuck with cats. - I liked it, but I could not fucking stand the woman. Oh my God. - Yeah. - How she was ending it like, we're just a couple of guys online, gotta solve a murder. - No, it wasn't even that, it was just like,

We're just like internet nerds just trying to like, it was like, oh God. - I understand that like, you know, the modern cases, a lot of people play in there. - But I like the way Don't Fuck With Cats builds it up. - Yes, they did build it up well. - They don't even show you Luca Mignotta's face until the very end, even though they easily could have because they want you to like see everyone's perspective like that was involved in this. - That one was crazy and it would have been so much better if they had just replaced that woman with just a standard narrator or something else.

No offense to the woman. It was infuriating watching this. How she was just talking about cats being murdered. And then she was like, "Whoa, that was wacky."

And then we found him killing other people. - Or if she could have just like stuck with the facts. - It was the acting. It was the acting that drove me insane. It's like, you don't need to act on something that like is about murder and cats being killed. Like I don't need this shit. - Yeah, it's like, I don't need to know the personality of the presenter. Like just give me the facts. - I think one of the big reasons I could never get into true crime or like I've never been able to fully invest in it is just because

It feels like to me, like I know it's not intentional, but it feels like to me, you kind of view this as like a fictional story. You view it as like an entertainment kind of, an entertainment based thing. And I remember watching "Don't Fuck With Cats" and very, very fascinating story. That's not what I'm saying. And they had a segment on this, but it just feels like, for me, it feels a little bit,

I just feel a little bit dirty when I know that I'm watching this for entertainment. When I know that someone got fucking murdered and that this is like some families lives has been ruined by this. And all the attention is on the murderer. And I know they did do like a segment on how nobody remembers the victim. And that's just the fucking ugly truth. And that's why that's the big line for me when it comes to like true crime and watching like a good horror movie or a good like,

fictional stories that I can't wash away this feeling that I'm just kind of like listening to the, I don't know what the right word is, but it's just like, I'm viewing this real life event, this real life tragic event as an entertainment piece. 'Cause that's what it is. It's an entertainment piece. And that's kind of like why I've not been able to get into it. - So would you prefer it then say hypothetically, if they like properly go over like the

- I don't know what the right way to go about it. - Maybe there is no right way, I don't know. - I don't know if there is a right way, 'cause it's just my mental block because I find something like, for example, "Monster" fascinating 'cause it's like a really deep character study on what it means to, are you born evil or is evil something you learn along the way? But the reason I'm in a,

the reason I can invest in it is because I know it's a fiction. There's that barrier that I know that no one's hurt. - It's like that moral barrier. - It's kind of like, I guess telling, you know, story about wars and stuff there as well, right? There's tons of death.

And that's just because, more often than not, you just used to tell stories about stuff that had happened in your life. And even though they have to, unfortunately, I think at times stories do have to be boiled down in a way that will make people listen. So it does almost feel like you say, like, I mean, I understand why the story needs to be,

and why it almost does feel wrong that it's entertainment, but I understand completely why it is that way. For human nature, we've always been telling stories about horrific things. 'Cause they're stories. - And they're stories. And sometimes I feel, it feels, I don't know if wrong is the right word, but it just feels weird to have it presented in a way that is entertaining. - I will admit though, the modern like gold rush of true crime is getting a little bit

- It's starting to feel a little bit weird. Like it's starting to feel a little bit uncomfortable with how much stuff is being milked and how much it's being like kitchen nightmares editing-esque. It used to go from these are the facts of the case to now it's like, Mary didn't know what was coming and then it came.

- The point is, if you just present the facts of a case, it's boring, it's fucking boring. And I especially feel this whenever I watch like American news broadcasts versus like British news broadcasts. Because British news broadcasts are like the most boring news broadcast ever. And in America, I remember the first one went to America, turned on the news and it felt like I was watching a movie. - Yeah, like I dead ass didn't know sometimes if I was watching the news in America or I was watching an episode of the cops, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

edited in the exact same way. Where it's just like, it's a little too like, yeah, it's a little too, I guess, you know, and that I guess kind of boils down to like that whole genre of films of like exploitation films, right? It's like some people find it really fucking fascinating. - Yeah. - While others are like,

That's not really cool. - I also really like documentaries because I like to figure out, I'm like, all right, who are they trying to get me to root for? Like what are they in this? 'Cause it's someone telling a story, right? And they've carefully picked out all these interviews, carefully asked people questions to present it in a certain way. And it's fun sometimes I like watching it just to figure out like, why are they trying to make me think this way? Why are they trying to get me to have this opinion of an ex-character?

- It's just really interesting. - I guess that's what made like a "Tiger King" so good. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think there's a video by like Quentin Reviews about it. - Yeah. - About documentaries, it was really good. - Yeah, 'cause I think what made me realize this is watching "Don't Fuck With Cats" where, what was his name again? - Luca Mignana. - Luca Mignana. - Mignana. - Mignana. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Luca, just say Luca. - Luca, where all he wanted was to have the spotlight and what was to have the attention. And I remember-

I remember at the end thinking, "Oh, he fucking succeeded." This is everything that you wanted. - I don't have a four part. - This is literally like "Dark Knight Joker" moment. - He got a four part Netflix documentary series? Dude, he was the real winner out of this. It just felt dirty to me. I was just like, "Damn, damn man."

- Yeah man, I don't know. - Yeah, I guess when his sole aim was to get attention and then he gets it, that is kind of, yeah. - I mean, I just think it all just comes from the human nature of like looking at a car crash that you can't look away from. Like we love to torture ourselves. - We're simple beings. - One other thing I do wanna know is that because I wake up to this and I hear a different story or like I hear a new episode every time.

how many stories have you listened to? How many, like, how deep does the true crime well go? That's what I want to know. - Yeah, because I feel like the gentlemen have only stepped into the kiddie pool, right? - No, I'm sick of it, 'cause I've watched so many now that I can feel like the formula being formed. It always starts right, they're like, "You know, Timmy was a little different, but we never thought

and he would never do anything like this. And then it'd be like, it'd cut to the victim and it's like, she was only good things, the victim. And then cuts back to the thing, it's like, and then something weird started to happen at school. And it's like, all right, okay. He was okay, he was weird, right? But like, they would never say this shit unless he was a serial killer, you know what I mean? Like, 'cause when they find out, it's that they only remember bad things. Everyone always says the same shit about every serial killer. It drives me insane. - Is that true?

- After you've watched like 10 documentaries, you feel like you're going insane watching more 'cause you're like, these feel all the same. - I feel like that with a lot of especially like,

Again, I'm making this sound like it's fucking film, but like Western crime, like it starts to feel like the same thing. But I mean, I don't know. Sorry, I feel again, I mean with my series and like the one in Japan, every case isn't really the same in my opinion 'cause I mean, I don't know though at least I literally have-- - I wasn't saying that the case is the same, it's how the documentary makers present

- Well, the thing is like with true crime podcasts or true crime YouTube videos that I can see, it's not always like a documentary. It's literally just listing out the events and the facts. - Yeah, I don't particularly like that. - I mean, 'cause to me it feels like I've seen like top 10 lists of like the weirdest crimes or like top unsolved crimes. - We have top 10 deaths caught on camera. - My favorites are the top 10 breakdowns in courtroom cases.

- I have seen that. - Unsolved crimes. - Yeah. - And you go through one top 10 list. - It's like, what dictates number seven over number eight? I don't understand. They're both horrible. I've heard of a few. And you get to a point where, it's like asking people what their top 10 anime is. After you've seen enough anime, you see the same cases. You know what everyone's like. - I love, go, go, go, sorry. - You know what the mainstream anime are.

- Yeah, exactly. - That's why I feel like, what are your top 10 crime cases? What are the ones that stick out to your mind? - List them off, chill style. - Oh my God. - Number 10. - Do you want me to list? - Off the top of your head, what's your favorite? - What are some of the ones that stick out to your mind? - I literally have a bookmark list this fucking big on my computer. - What's your favorite true crime documentary? It comes to mind when you think. - God.

- Legit, like Don't Fuck With Catchers is perfect to me, honestly. - It's pretty good. - Honestly, that was perfect. Besides like the chick, the fact that like, you know, this is a close case and yet you feel like it's still open. Like, I don't know, the whole presentation was good.

I love those videos where it's like, it presents itself as like a really big mystery. - Right, right, right. - And then like, you know, they're like two episodes in and then they present like what actually happened, like the very plausible, very simple explanation. And then they're like, but some people don't believe that. And then it's like 30 more minutes of like complete utter nonsense. - Just like theories that don't make sense. - Yeah, just complete bullshit. It's like, you already have the explanation. Just accept that it's fucking boring, like real life is. - Well, because like, weirdly enough, you didn't really like "Tiger King."

- No, I actually really didn't like it. - Which is weird because like you'd think that the fact that at the end of the day, it's a true crime, right? It's a true crime story. That's just a little bit unique. - It's a crime that any of those people got to be filmed and put into it. - Yeah. - But like you didn't like it. I thought you'd like that.

- I don't know. - What was it that you didn't like about "Tiger King" that you liked about everything else? - I don't know. Maybe I've just seen and heard so much fucked up stories that it was just not entertaining to me. I was like, oh yeah. - You've literally numbed yourself. - Just a war veteran. - I honestly think it's probably that. - It's just like watching a playground argument.

just unfold but with guns and tigers. - I think what I didn't like about "Tiger King" was the fact that I couldn't believe these were real people. Like I thought they were playing, like I dead ass thought first two episodes, I thought they were playing a character. - I watched it all and I thought, fuck, I just wasted all my time. - For nothing. - I'm just surprised how popular it got. - Yeah. - I didn't expect- - I just really appreciate, especially I'm rolling back to that YouTube channel, Criminal Psychology, just because like it takes

a lot of research to understand why this interrogation is being played out the way it is. It's not just question and answer. It's like they're trying to create pressure for you, for you to fucking just confess. I guess because you have a psychology background, it's more entertaining for you. I feel like even without a psychology background, I think that shit's just fascinating, the way that it's just presented. They explain it like you're five. I don't know. My heart starts racing the closer they get to getting...

- To the person. - To get that confession out. - Yeah, to get that confession out. - It's like, here it comes, here it comes. - I've noticed that there's like reaction YouTubers to interrogations. - What? - Yeah, yeah, there's people who like watch interrogations and give their thoughts on that thing. And I'm like, this is kind of- - That's going too far. - This is weird, right? Like, oh my God.

- I don't imagine anyone doing all of that stuff. I just like- - That's like reacting to public hanging. It's like, whoa, that just happened. - It's like shocked face underscore- - Emojis like- - Aki.png. - Oh my God.

- We all have that PNG file. - It is bizarre that it has been like commodified. - I was wondering what the word is. I was like entertainment-fied, is that a word? - I was like, I'm sure there's a word. - I actually had no idea that you guys had talked about the true crime thing on your podcast. So when I uploaded the Otaku Killer video, like half my comments were like, wow, the podcast was right about you. I said, what? Joey, what the fuck did you say? - We called you out. - Yeah, it's all right. - Yeah, I don't know.

obviously due to the fact that there's more mobile phones and things are being recorded more for like the evidence purposes in court. So there's just more and more stuff getting released. - Public journalism, right? - And this is the side of the public that this is the side of crime that the public never saw. You don't even hear about this through like stories from cops, which obviously was presented with full of bias and stuff like this. So I think it's just like a renaissance almost of,

the public being given access to crimes for good and bad. 'Cause you know, now there's people get outraged all the time and stuff that cops do rightfully so. So shouldn't they pull, right?

And so it's kind of, I wonder if this will be an ongoing thing where crime from now onwards has to be put in mind where I'm like, "What's the YouTube comment gonna say about the way that..." I wonder if there's gonna be crimes in future. - What if there's serial killers who are like, "I wonder what click bait they're gonna use for my crime." - Well, yeah, 'cause I wonder now, if I'm in an interview, I'm being interrogated, I might think, "Well, this might be on issue, right?" "On a good show." No, I wonder, it's really...

- It's desensitized. - Yeah, we've been desensitized to it, but also it's a system that hasn't been built to be exposed to the public. - I don't think it's just that, because I think another big thing is that the reality, I mean, the barrier between reality and fiction has kind of been slowly broken down because we,

we kind of view social media as entertainment nowadays. So like cancel culture is like a big thing nowadays. And I feel like, you know, with so many YouTubers making like apology videos and outing other people like this, you know, there is a reason people do that. There is a personal reason people do that. But we got to admit that to the vast majority of the public, this is just watching, this is just entertainment. This is just watching the high school, this is listening to high school drama and gossip.

And like, it's, it's what is slowly turned into where, you know, it's our, our entertainment has just become other people's reality. This is, this is our modern day reality TV. I can definitely see, I can see the difference. I, I've mentioned this to a couple of people, but like, you know, it, it still only just seems like a few years ago, like when,

the internet and real life they were just there was a such a thick wall between two of them like you could tell that anything that was said on the internet was not taken personally and then like being in reality it was whatever but now you know the news gets like half of their shit from Twitter and you know

- The reality and the internet has fused so heavily into each other that everything you post, that's the kind of person you are. At least that's what- - It legit, like serial experiments land like straight up. - Yeah, essentially, yeah. - It did. - Like 10 years ago, it would be like, oh, did you catch the latest Love Island or Big Brother? Did you hear what X did?

- Nowadays it's more like, yo, did you see that apology video? Yo, that was a spice. - Did you see that tweet longer dude? - Yeah, that was a, that was a, that was a yikes on that tweet, and it's just like, okay. And we are kind of commodifying other people's drama in that case. - Essentially, yeah. And people's lives are being ruined over just people just trying to create conspiracies out of just posts. Some of those posts like are just, actually a lot of those posts are just twisted to make,

these conspiracies of anonymous people that honestly don't give a shit about you and it ruins careers it ruins lives it ruins people's mental health and i feel like i don't know i kind of hope at some point that that line of like anonymity not caring about other people on the internet like where is the line going to get drawn i don't i don't know because i don't see it stopping and that's the problem and one of the biggest things i see now is like it doesn't matter what

how right you are in the court of law. 'Cause what's more important nowadays is the court of public opinion. - Essentially. - And it's a really unhealthy way to think about things because sometimes I do feel that there is like sometimes online witch hunts and sometimes it's so broken down to basic mob mentality nowadays.

and it can get really dangerous. So- - That's why I tell people that anyone who wants to like be a YouTuber streamer or any influencer on the internet, it takes thick skin, a lot of thick skin. You have to always be prepared for the inevitable that there will always be a community out there who does like, you'll be a scapegoat to someone. Anything and everything you do and say will just be wrong.

like to these people and they will wait for you to fuck up so badly where they can finally drag you down. And I don't know, I just feel like that's one of the biggest reasons why there is this whole side to my personal life that I want nothing to do with YouTube because then at least, you know, I want to be able to- Because everything's being monitored, right?

- Essentially, yeah. I feel like people who get like, I guess canceled really badly on the internet, it affects their own personal lives to the point like they cannot live normally. Like there's, I don't know. I feel like on the internet, it's if you make a mistake, you deserve to die kind of mentality and there's no second chances. - The thing about cancel culture nowadays is that, you know, we're trying to cancel people who say don't deserve their fame or something like that. But it's gotten to the point where if someone is getting canceled

- People who are not even in their circle will hear and talk about it. Like most of the people, some of the people that have this big apology or cancel or is getting canceled,

I have never heard of these people until they got canceled. Like I have nothing to do with that industry or in that circle. But as soon as they're getting canceled, as soon as their drama, suddenly it's literally everywhere. Literally everyone has to have an opinion on it. - And they kind of throw around that name as if you're the weird one for not having an opinion on it. It's like, I've never heard of this dude. And people are like, what's your opinion on them getting canceled?

I just knew about them five minutes ago. - You know what's sad about all of this is like when someone gets canceled, right? And eventually Twitter does like kind of the math work of seeing where it came from and the person it came from. Then let's say that that influencer that got canceled finally calls out the person who started it all. That person, all they have to do is just close their account, run off as if it never happened.

but then the influencer has the damage left over and has to deal with trying to repair their reputation over something that probably wasn't even a big deal in the first place. - 'Cause the big problem I see is that, you know, the big difference between this and say reality TV shows is that

people signed up to be fucking clowns on reality TV shows. - Yeah, exactly. - They knew what they were getting into. - They're getting paid to be clowns. - Yeah, they're getting paid to be clowns and they signed themselves up to be like commodified and viewed as a piece of entertainment. But like nowadays, literally that could be anyone with a social media account. That could be anyone who has an online presence. - Without their permission. - At all. And you know, some people have done some pretty bad stuff, but like, well, the problem nowadays,

The problem nowadays is that I feel like even if someone did something bad, I can't help but feel that some people are just looking for their five minutes of fame. Even if something bad did really happen to them. And I'm not like, I'm really hoping this doesn't come off that I'm trying to victim blame or something like that, because that's really not what I'm trying to say. Because it feels like,

it can sometimes feel like not every case, but in some cases that people are just doing this for the cloud. They're doing this 'cause they know they can get some attention out of it. And that's why- - People are gonna like rag on about them for a while, but then they probably in the back of their heads, they probably know by a week, it's gonna go back to normal. - And that's why we start ending up like fucking ranking

Apology videos be like, yo, he fucking slammed down this person in the apology video. - I do love the tier list for apology. - But like you gotta remember these are people's fucking lives that we're judging here. And these things, it's not about who's actually right. It's about who can present their case the best. And it's about pleasing the court of public opinion rather than being behind the scenes who was actually morally right.

Honestly, I'm just going to say, I really hate how there's like a sense of humanity just taken away from us. Like the moment that you become someone in the public eye, like you can't make mistakes. You are not given second chances and every mistake you've made, that is you and you're a piece of shit. And so,

there's no redemption there's no room for redemption on the internet so that's why you know i'm just going to say as every human being i'm just going to just say right here just in case of i know it's going to happen like i'm going to make a mistake and i'm going to learn from it and it's whether up to you guys if you want to forgive me or not but it's through those mistakes that you can change as a person and i feel like it's the most basic thing that everyone knows and yet we just kind of blow it off like it's nothing because you know we're public figures that ruled apparently

for some reason does not apply to us or whatever. So I don't know. I've always just wanted to kind of get that out. - Yeah, I mean, I don't mean any harm to anyone and I'm sure if I ever made a mistake, I'd like the opportunity to fix it, right? It's very scary knowing that that chance might not be given to me. - Yeah. - You're like always on the line

- It's fucking scary how much a mob can turn. And you know, there are people, it seems like the opposite of the way things should work. 'Cause whenever someone gets outed, it's guilty until proven innocent. And it shouldn't be like that, but that's just the way the mob mentality works.

- There's just not enough people who are like, "Hey, why don't we just wait and see what happens?" - Yeah, exactly. - Because 90% of people are like frothing at the mouth ready for the drama. And then there's just that 10% of people who are like, "Yeah, I mean, we could just wait and hear both sides maybe." It's unfortunate that most- - It's like, "No, I don't wanna wait. I want something to happen now." - It's unfortunate that most people's reaction to X person to this X thing is that, "Oh my God, let's go for it. Let's start." Instead of being like,

did they do? Let's hear what they said. Yeah. I think coming from like being more personality based on YouTube, it sucks that like, it seems like the only thing that anyone has to go by is literally just the videos I've done or any posts that I've made. And it's like, I mean, again, there's every single person on the internet has like a whole

life like that is completely different you can't you can't base a person off of just what their post is you know I see some of the weirdest shit like oh Aki was in a video with that person she didn't look very happy or like that person oh the way did you see the way that they did you see the way that they like looked at that other person or the way that like Joey just like did this to his nose who the fuck

- Who cares? - Was it your video I was in? Where I was like, I think it was just being me and letting you guys talk. - Yeah. - And then like everyone else. - All the comments were like, "Man, Connor looks really annoying." I'm like, that was just him. - Maybe Connor has the same problem I do, which is we just have really bad resting bitch face. - I have really bad resting bitch face. - Me too. - People think I'm angry all the time. I'm just British.

- I hate it, then what can I do? - Yeah, no, it's just my listening face. That's why I've just been super transparent that also I'm introverted and I just want to listen. - It's that whole mentality of the whole fucking, I know your life better than you know your life. - Yeah. - I hate that you have to justify any of that in the first place. - Every YouTuber you've met is like,

from their personality that they show. Some people are exactly the way that they show themselves. I'd like to think I'm pretty fucking spot on to how I present myself. There are some people who are like a hundred percent could not be more different from the person they present. - It's like two different people. - Right, right. And it's kind of, you don't know if that is really them. So don't assume that that's how they act a hundred percent of the time. Obviously, I think one thing that you're probably is for most people except for like Sydney is that they're not as energetic.

but not as like in high intensity as they are shown. - I think there is a reason for that though. And this is also like applying to me as well. - Because people don't have that much fucking energy. - No, and you know what Connor just said applies to me. It's like, I will be really outspoken on my video, but like I did in the fortune teller video, I literally just showed what I'm- - Yeah, you're very different. - Yeah, I'm very different with how I am with someone else. But that's because like, you know, at the end of the day,

of the day we were just kids that i sound like that fucking girl from don't fuck with cats but we were just we were just a couple of kids we were just we were just you know like people that had a camera and just happened to get a following on the internet but at the end of the day we're still in that room just by ourselves and when the when the doors are closed and no one's there we have the confidence to say exactly what's on our mind but you know i feel like everyone

I think everyone has that problem. Like you have a lot that you wanna say, but the moment like someone is in front of you, you can't get it out. You know what I mean? So I don't know. - I feel like one of the biggest, the most toxic mentality that's kind of being brought up with like some of the newer generation, especially raised on the web is that they feel like they're privileged to know everything about a certain case or people's like lives, especially when it comes to a drama, they feel entitled

Like they deserve to know everything that happened, even though it's got nothing to do with them. - You know what I really hate that people do is when people force two influencers to be friends. You know what I mean? Like I, so I- - Why are you not friends with so-and-so? It's like, because I don't want to be friends with so-and-so. - You know, like, 'cause I mean, I'm a picky person in general. I keep,

you can't force me to like someone. It's gonna show on camera. You can tell when two YouTubers, I think you said this earlier, that that's our first time meeting or we just don't, we're not close and it shows. But then you're happy that we're finally together, but I don't know. - Worse than that is, I haven't met many people who have done this, but other YouTubers who use that pressure from the public to force someone into being friends.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They'll tweet at you a bunch in a way that like, you know, kind of like twist you. - Sorry, I wasn't understanding. - So like, you know, maybe some, like for example, another YouTuber wants to be friends with you. So what they'll do is just keep tweeting at you publicly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or they get their fans to tweet at you. - Yeah, but then if you tweet at them publicly, like the fans reply. - Yeah, then there's pressure. - And so they're kind of like twisting your arm. - It's a little bit worse than the fan base of that person tweeting. - Yeah, I understand why fans do it.

More often than not, they might really like two creators as well. So I get it why they wanna see people collaborate. But it's quite frustrating when someone in your position who should know better does it. Like I'm tweeting at someone is not, I'm not saying YouTubers can't tweet at each other, but there is a way that some YouTubers do it and the frequency at which they do it.

which is obviously an attempt to like, hey, follow me, follow me back, let's talk, be frank. - Yeah, there's nothing wrong with like, you know, two YouTubers tweeting at each other. I tweet at YouTubers all the fucking time. But what's annoying is when every time, it has nothing to do with anything. I'm just like tweeting being like, ha ha, yeah, cool. And there's 17 responses being like, collab, collab, collab.

- You always do the same thing when you talk about collapse. You do, "Collapse, collapse." - Legitimately, it sounds like a bunch of seals at Seawald. It's just fucking, "Collapse, collapse." It's like, no. - It's like the OVU or Joey thing.

- Yeah, like no, you sometimes like you can tell when like a YouTuber is really trying to force their way into your circle by getting their fans to do it. - Not many people do it, but I guess. - I've seen it happen. I've never seen it happen. - I've definitely seen it happen. But yeah, what's another thing on YouTube? Oh yeah, I kind of, I said this

I said this like a really long time ago, I think with just Joey and Garn, but one thing that is... I don't think you were there, that's why. But like, so you know how like a lot of YouTubers say, I don't care about the views and the views don't mean anything. I think it's a load of like shit at some point because...

It's okay to care about your views because that's like being at a job and caring how many hours you're getting, how much you're getting paid. It's okay to care about how many views you're getting, but also not being a dick about it. - I think the important thing is to think about the views

after the video has been made. - Yeah. - People, if you're going into a video with the views in mind of like what's gonna get the views, you know, in a way that's- - You're doing it purely for the views. - In a healthy obsession way. 'Cause sometimes I'll think of a topic and I'm like, this is a popular topic. This is probably gonna have some interest, but I'm not thinking like this needs to get views or it's done.

I'm not like, I think that I look after and if it does well, I'm like sick. If it does bad, I'm like, well, that sucks. But onto the next thing, right? What am I gonna do? Sit here and fucking walk? - Because I feel like what I meant when I said that, 'cause I have said, I don't care about the views before. - Everyone's had that obligatory. - I wanna defend myself. - Honestly, I think we've all said that at some point, so it's okay. - Everyone's made that obligatory update video where they're like, guys, I'm just doing it because I love doing YouTube. I don't care about the views. - I've kept the same to heart. It's like, expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised

- Yeah. - What were you gonna say? - Because like, it's gotten to the point where, you know, every YouTuber has this point when they realize that,

- There's a point in your life when you realize, hey, your mental health is really affected by how well your videos do. And that's really fucking unhealthy. So like I had to get to a point in YouTube where I just stopped looking at the views. Like I had to stop looking at the views and just focus on the content. - That's hard to do. - It is hard. It's a skill. - It's just something I knew I had to do because

- We have this tool, I don't know if we've talked about this before, but we have the tool on YouTube where you upload a new video and YouTube will tell you how well it's performed out of 10 compared to your last 10 videos. And to me, it's just a lose-lose game, right? Because you'd never- - We should show the Trash Taste one right now. - Yeah, it is the most-

mind breaking mechanic. - It is a little bit. - Because what I've realized is that you lose most of the time, right? 'Cause if the video is below five out of 10, you feel like shit the entire time. - Like, guess I'll die. - Exactly, we mean it, but your day can literally be ruined. And it's fucking stupid by knowing that your video performed nine or 10. - They also give you little fucking firework animations if you got number one. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- But the thing is what I realized is that if it's like a four or five, you're just like, okay. You don't feel good, you feel relieved. And that's just so unhealthy. 'Cause like that just means the only time you actually feel good is when you get the number one or two, which statistically speaking, you can't always get the number one or two.

And what's worse is like when you do get that number one, the next thing you expect is, well, the next video has to be number one as well. I just have to keep one upping myself and it never happens. - So like I always leave at least like four or five days before checking the views of my video. That gives me enough time. - Bro, you must survive no November easily then. I guess before we wrap this up, what's next for Akidearest? What's the next plans? What are you gonna do? What are your goals?

- I'm working on the next on the case video. - All right. - I've been doing it. I can't give you any hint. I already told them. - Would you say you're more of like a short term planner? Like you don't really think about like a year or two from now. You're like, I'm just thinking about what's going on in the next month. - Yeah, I feel like it's just good to sustain in the present 'cause that just shapes out how your future is gonna be.

- That's a tee shirt right there. - I was not expecting something so deep. - I'm pretty sure I've seen people with chest pieces. - I don't know, I've been so stressed over like what could have been or like, what did I do? Oh man, I fucking like did that yesterday when at the end of it, it doesn't really matter. So I just feel like I just have to fix it now. - I feel like for every one thing I'm like, damn, I could have done that. I got like a hundred other things where I'm like, holy shit, I was so lucky with this.

- Yeah. - It's like, you win some, you lose some. - Yeah. - Exactly. - But I guess you wanna do the outro, Joey? - Yeah, hey, if you have no idea who Aki is, then as always, we'll leave the links to socials down in the description. And also, hey, look at all these patrons who are living in the moment as well.

- Whoa, this mobile. - Jesus Christ. - Who's your favorite patron, Arby? - Jimmy. - You gotta point where they are. - Which one? - Oh, that one? - Oh my God. - This one right here.

But if you wanna be pointed out on screen blindly, then make sure to go over to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, the subreddit, and hey, if you don't wanna see our faces, follow us over on Spotify. But yeah, thanks for coming onto the show, Aki. - Yeah, thank you. - You finally come on so you can stop asking the fucking- - When are we gonna continue the anime show? - No, we don't talk about that. - We do not talk about that. - We do not talk about that show. We have buried that show long ago. - I didn't make the name, by the way.

- Oh, I wonder who made the name The Anime Man. - Joey's podcast prologue. - Yeah, couldn't tell you. But yeah guys, hopefully you enjoy this episode of Trash Taste and I've been with the boys. - Thank you very much Aki for coming on. - Thank you very much. - Yeah, no worries. - It's been a long time coming. - Yeah. - And we'll see you guys in the next episode. - Bye. - Bye. - And Mike. - Bye Mike.