Our Trash Taste In TV | Trash Taste #43
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- Welcome to this episode of, wait, which episode are we on? - I don't fucking know. - Welcome to episode 43. - We've never said an episode number in the history of Trash Taste. - I'm gonna just make it. - We're not swapping this, are we? - Welcome to episode 47. - Just don't mention the episode name. - We've never mentioned an episode number before. - I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna fucking do it.

- It's 43. - Welcome back to this episode of Trash Taste. And once again, I'm with the boys. Who is Joey? Who is Garnt? That's the answer to the boys. - Thank you. - I didn't realize. - What is this Jeopardy? - Who is Joey? - Correct. - Who is Garnt? No, sorry. Grant. - He's a Daily Double. - Who is Grant? - I've never watched Jeopardy before.

- Really? - That's pretty good fun actually. - Why did they have to answer like, what is like Grant or whatever? - I don't know. - Because instead of the question, they give you like an answer and then the answer is the question. So it's like reverse.

- Okay, grown man finds out what Jeopardy is. - I've only seen like out of context Jeopardy clips and I've just always tried to figure out why are they answering in questions? - I feel like it's pretty easy to figure out what's going on. - Well, now that you've explained it, now of course it's gonna be easy now that you've explained it. - No one had to tell me what was going on. I was like, I'm guessing based on what's going on. - I can't recall the moment in my life where I was like, I need to know how this game works.

- I can't even remember the last time I watched a game show. It's just, yeah. - Did you watch any game shows growing up? - Yeah, I actually watched quite a lot. - We have quite good ones in the UK. - Yeah, like "How to be a Millionaire", that was classic, classic game show. - Did you guys have like a deal or no deal? - That was, what country originally made that? - America. - America. - But we had like an Australian version. - Yeah, the British one went for a long,

- Yeah, we had like, who was the host? - Noel Edmonds. - Noel Edmonds, yeah. Have you seen the American Deal or No Deal? - No. - It's like Deal or No Deal, but like it's way more Hollywoodized. - Is it literally just like the Kitchen Nightmares deal where like Kitchen Nightmares USA is like, boom, boom, you won't believe what happened. And then the UK one is like, Gordon's like, all right, come on, you gotta do your acting.

- It's just, it's way bigger. They got like, you know, instead of just fucking Noel Edmonds, like opening the briefcase or something, they've got like the proper, you know, boxing ring chicks that like, you know, like the models that open up the briefcase, you compare it to like the British version and it's just night and day. - Wait, does the British version not have,

- We have the boxes. - We have the boxes. - Oh, 'cause in Australia, we took the American thing and we wind up like 30 chicks. - Should we explain what deal or no deal is? For someone who might not know. - Okay. - It's basically like a contestant comes on

- No, wait. - Opens a bunch of briefcases. - They have to get down to, oh wait, so they get down to two boxes, don't they? - Yeah, okay. So if I remember correctly, you have, I can't remember, like 15 boxes or 15 briefcases. - I think it's more than that. - It's like 25. - Is that 25? - It's like a lot, yeah. - And I believe you have to choose random briefcases

- They get knocked out. - And then like every briefcase has a different amount of money in it. And when you choose that briefcase, that amount of money is knocked out of the prize pool. - No, but isn't it they pick a briefcase first?

and they hang onto it, but they don't know what it is until- - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's true, that's true. - And then there's basically what they do is, is the reason why they don't just immediately skip to the final one which you pick is because along the way, based on what you've knocked out or got in, so say you've knocked out all the lower prize pools, like the 1,000 pounds, the 2,000, they'll offer you,

So the whole point of the show is that you kind of want to knock out all the small ones at first so that they might offer you a really generous deal, which, 'cause your box might be like the one that's left that sucks. It was always a really fun game show and I really liked it. But in the UK, I don't know if this is the same in Australia, but like all ages watch like the quiz shows, like the daily quiz shows. I just couldn't see like my,

my grandma watching like bikini models fucking open up boxes. - Dude, my grandma was fucking obsessed with "Deal or No Deal." - Oh, my great grandma too as well. - I don't know what it is. - Watched it every day. - Yeah. Wait, but did you guys not have like the supermodels like with all the briefcases? - No. - Our game shows are like unapologetically like just like chill people just doing like, normally for small amounts of money. - But then on the opposite of the side of the spectrum, you guys have shows like "Naked Attraction."

- Yeah, I mean, I don't know. - I mean, that's still small scale, I would say. - 'Cause even like Pointless, which has been like, which if you don't know what Pointless is, it's kind of hard to just fucking Google it.

I don't wanna explain every single game show that we talk about. Pointless, the prize pool was only ever like 1,000 pounds, right? - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah, which is like to go on national TV, it's like for like what? Like $1,500, no $1,300. Not really a lot if that's if you win, nothing if you don't. - At least Deal or No Deal had like, I think the prize pool, the top prize pool was like a million dollars or something. - It's 250,000. - 250,000 dollars. - Oh no, pounds for the UK one. - Oh really?

- I think that's not too far off. - I mean, you never saw anyone winning the mill. - Yeah, prize pools in general in the UK quiz shows are pretty small except for like the big ones, which are marked as like the big ones.

- I think the biggest one we had was who wants to be a millionaire. - Yeah, that was the biggest one. - I mean, I think that was the biggest one anywhere, right? - I'm pretty sure that was the biggest one. - But then like, they probably like the UK version was probably like the most expensive. Just like, fuck, why is our currency so goddamn strong? - A million pounds is a lot of money. - Imagine a Japanese who wants to be a millionaire. - We have that. - Did you just win a million yen? - I think, wait, what is it again?

- Ashley, do you remember like how much money is it for the Japanese who wants to be a millionaire? - I didn't even know Japan. - Oh, nevermind. I'm pretty sure it's a million. No, it's 10 million yen. - Yeah, that would make sense. - We spoke about it before. I remember like Takeshi's Castle, like the Japanese version, I think it was 3 million yen was the prize. I thought for a game show that fucking hard,

$30,000 doesn't seem like a fair reward for a show that only like five people ever won. - But in most Japanese quiz shows, it's like, yeah, well, it is about the money, but when it is about the money, the max you get is like 10K.

- And usually that's split because like usually it's like a team based. - Oh no. - So it's like you guys win 10K split between the five of you. So it's more and then after taxes, so you probably get about a grand each. - What's your like favorite Australian or like American game show that you ever saw? - God, I'd probably say "Deal or No Deal" was probably my favorite. - I really liked "Family Fortunes."

- I don't know what the American one is, but- - Family Feud. - Family Feud. - I've seen like the American, like clips of the American one and that seems as fun, if not even better than the British version. - Because like on the American one, I feel like they have like more celebrities to choose from. - Exactly. - We only have like a few very giant celebrities. - Yeah, we had like Les Dennis, which I don't even remember what he was famous for in the first place. - Because like in America you have like celebrities, which normally are known like the world over.

which is just how it is. But in the UK you have like two tiers of celebrities, which are like legit, like massive celebrities known all around the world. Like, you know, like normally musical artists or like really big actors. - And then the local- - Then you have like the locally known ones, which are normally like, just like, the comedians are pretty good. We have pretty good comedians, but like outside of that, you have like someone who's like,

he said a racist word on TV and made a career out of it one time. - I mean, it's the same in Australia. It's like you're either an internationally known star who's hosting the show or you're an Australian comedian that failed to market themselves outside of Australia. So he's just like, we'll give you a spot. You speak in Australian accent. - We had this one game show. I think it was, I don't know if it was British first called Golden Balls. Did you ever watch this?

- Oh yeah, I did watch that. - That was cute. - Yeah, I know, I know, it's cute. - Tee hee golden balls. - And I can't, so what would happen is, is that they would get like five balls each and they all had different amounts of money in them. And then they would basically have to like negotiate, I think, oh, this is rough. - No, no, no, so- - How do you kick off?

- It's like a football game. - No, no, no. - I haven't actually seen it, but I think we're thinking of the right one where the last round- - Yeah, the last round is the best round. - Is the most interesting one. So you have a prize pool and I think it's based on like the prisoner's dilemma or something. I'm probably wrong on that. So you have two people and you basically have to agree if you're going to share the prize pool.

And or like, okay, so- - You have a steal or share? - Yeah. - All right. - You can steal the entire prize pool or you can share the prize pool. And if both people pick share, then you share the prize money. But if one person picks steal, they get the entire amount of the prize money. - Oh, okay. - But if both people pick steal, then nobody gets the prize money. - And you just saw like the-

- Biggest pieces of shit on this show. Like, yeah, you'd win the money, but like- - That really seems like a show to like expose the worst side of humanity. - It was brutal, right? 'Cause this TV show fucking loved it. 'Cause they were like, "Bro, whatever you gotta do to get this money, you ham it up."

And so these people would do like massive sob stories to the person next to them. And they would believe them. They'd be like, man, my kids, you know, they need this thing real bad, man. They're like, you know, they need this expensive thing, et cetera. And then they, you know, they would do it and then they reveal like they stole all the money. And everyone's like, okay, sure, you won 10 grand, but at what cost? - At what cost? - They go through their entire life story to be like,

Look, I'm a devout Christian. I've given to charity. I am the most honest person you could ever meet in your life. - They literally did a deal and was just like, I'm going to reject humanity to get this money. - I can remember this one guy. - I think I've seen the same clip, right? - Which one was it? - The guy who just fucking hacked, like social hacked the game where he was just like, look mate, I'm gonna pick steal. - Yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such a like a five head move. He literally goes to the guy, "Look, I'm not even gonna pretend. I'm going to pick steal, okay? And what I'm going to do is I'm going to share half the prize money with you once the game's over." And the other guy was like, "No, you can't do that. You can't, you're like, no, we're gonna pick share. We're gonna at least agree to pick share." He's like, "No, I'm picking steal and you're gonna have to trust me

that I'm gonna share the prize money after the show ends. And like the other guy asked the host, "Is this allowed? Is this actually allowed?" And the host goes, "Whatever happens after the show, we can't guarantee." - So if you get shanked, that's your issue. - Yeah, so he's like, "Well, I'm gonna pick steal as well then." And he's like, "Fine, if you pick steal, we're both gonna lose the money. But the only chance you're gonna have to gain money is by picking share." Such a fucking five head move. - That's like reverse reverse psychology.

at the end, he didn't pick steel, he picked share. So both of them got the prize money in the end. - Oh, shit. - Wow. - And I was just like, dude, this guy is the main protagonist of the fucking universe. What a five head move, man. - That is literally like the martyr.

I'll be the bad guy so that everyone can win. - Like I just watched like IRL Code Geass right in front of me. This is what I saw right here. - I saw like, I swear, I don't know if this was like a popular clip, but I remember one time a guy who like literally came into the show, because there's four contestants at the start, I believe. He was literally just right from the start being like, "I'm gonna steal, I'm gonna steal no matter what." And then he stole and then he didn't get anything 'cause the other person also stole.

- Wow. - So it was like the same thing, but like small brain version. He was like, "I'm gonna steal to everyone." I was like, "Yeah, we know. "I'm not giving you any of it." - So am I. - Imagine you wait for months, right? You go through all the interviews and shit. You get on the show. Finally, you have a chance of winning money. And some fucking asshole immediately just said to everyone, "I'm gonna ruin the show for all of you.

I don't give a fuck. You'd be like, well fuck, what am I supposed to do? - That's like the millionaire hot seat thing as well. Did you have those? - No, we don't have that, I don't think. - Okay, 'cause I don't know if it was in America. We definitely had it in Australia though. So there's like, you know, there's like who wants to be a millionaire, which is just like a one-on-one thing. There was this other version of it called millionaire hot seat, which is basically it's one game of millionaire, but then there's like four other people in basically like sitting on the benches

waiting for the person to fuck up. And if one person gets the answer wrong, then it goes to the next person, but from where they started. - That's pretty cool. - And so I saw this clip, which is like, you start off with five people. And they got to, I don't know, it was like the 2000, not even halfway up kind of thing. And I guess it was like a really hard question. So,

the first guy gets it wrong and he's like, "Oh fuck, all right, whatever, see you later." Next person comes on fully confident being like, "Well, he basically just got rid of one of the answers for me. I got this." And not only does he get it wrong, but then the next person during 50/50, he also gets it wrong. So the fourth person comes up is like, "So there's only one answer remaining.

I think it's this one. It's like, you're correct. But like imagine waiting, sitting on the benches all that time to just come up and be like, thank you for giving me this money. - Thank you for the free money. - Thank you for the free money, JKC. - I'm trying to remember what else was that? The weakest link, do you remember the weakest link? - Yeah, 'cause I remember like, what's his name?

- Phil or Dan, which one of them was on the weakest link? - Oh, were they actually? - Yeah, one of them was on the weakest link. - What's the weakest link? - Oh, it's just not going anymore, is it? - I don't think so. - It was this really popular daytime British TV show where we had this like really light, she was famous for being like bitch, basically.

- Okay. - 'Cause that was her whole character was that she was rude to you. - Yeah, I can't remember her name. - And she was just a quiz show and basically like it would just keep going and asking questions and you basically like at the end of the question round, they'd ask like eight people, you have to vote someone off and it was normally the person who was letting the team down because if you got a question wrong, you like ruin the streak and it's like a video game where more bonus, more streak, more points. - Right, right. - So if someone gets a question wrong, they ruin it and then you get less money.

So like as it's going around, so if I get one right, I get a hundred points, then you get 200, then 400. And someone has to like say bank so that the points get saved.

So the street can keep going until someone saves it. So if you're the one who's like, I'm gonna get the big boy question and then you fuck it up and lose the money that everyone just earned, you're probably gonna get voted off. - But then like there was a meta game behind it as well because if you are too good, then people would just like gang up on you and vote you off because they'd have like less chance of winning if you were on the game show. - And I think,

I can't remember which one it was. It was Dan or Phil. One of them was on it before they became a YouTuber. - Oh wow. - Yeah, it was really good. You should watch it. And then like the host is just like roasting them. - That sounds fun. - It's just pretty, it's really endearing watching someone before they were a YouTuber, like do it. Like it was just, I don't know, it was really fun. - I've always wanted to be on like

- Yeah, I mean, I think I'd like to go on a show that has like literally that is just like, hey, this is just a game show. Just go up and do it. Like no rig, no like acts, no fucking like, hey, play this character. No, just let me just fucking go on and make a fool of myself. - Like, is there like a, what's really happening? Are game shows still going on? - Yeah, they are. I think like, it's like,

I'd like to think that most game shows are the complete opposite of like the talent shows. - Yeah. - Because the talent shows are just heavily scripted narratives and all this stuff. - I think we just don't know 'cause we don't watch TV. - Yeah, I just stopped watching TV so I actually have no fucking idea anymore. - Yeah. - Me too. There was this YouTuber now who was uploading, he entered an American talent show that I'd never heard of.

I think he's called Reckless Ben on YouTube. And he's like, he basically signed up for this thing and then wore secret glasses while he's on it. So now he's uploading videos of him behind the scenes and his narration is really fucking funny. And yeah, now they're just like threatening him to take the videos down. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah, and he's uploading videos, be like, "I'm not gonna take it down. Here's the next video."

I'm taking it down. - It's great, it's really interesting. - It's sort of living up to his name. - Yeah, 'cause he's just like, he's in it and he's just narrating really stupid and he's just like a complete clown in like the best way possible. And yeah, it's really interesting. You should watch these YouTube videos. I didn't sell it very well. I feel like I still wanna explain too much. You should just go watch them. It's really, really underrated. No one's watched these videos. They have like 80K, 100K.

- That's still decent amount. - Well, for saying like as crazy as this, you'd think it'd be a lot bigger. - Is it like even a big kind of exposure that, hey, this is kind of faked and this is all scripted. - It's really fun just seeing like a producer go up to him and be like, no, not now. Hey, this is your like, oh, like, you know, like when the crowd's cheering. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like he shows like the video footage of like what's the show seed that he cuts to what's happening to him. And it's just him in the middle of a giant stage and there's nothing.

Like no noise or anything. It's really funny. - I think there's a big difference between just like hearing and knowing that it's rigged versus actually seeing that it's rigged. - You know like all those talent shows as well have like onsite therapists because of like how like brutal the schedule is. Like some of them in like "America's Got Talent" had to like sit around for like 19 hours to like wait to practice.

- Fucking hell. - Jesus Christ. - So they had onsite therapists and there was like cases where they're injecting them with like vitamins and stuff to keep them awake during these shows. - What the fuck? - Yeah, and then obviously, you know, these contracts you sign, which have come out before for like X Factor in the UK. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And my God, like some of them, I swear it was X Factor UK where you literally sign away your rights to anything you've ever done online. - Yeah. - And anything you do in future. - Yeah. - Like if you became a YouTuber, they own it.

Like you can't do without their permission. - Yeah. It's fucked. - It's nuts. I get why they do it 'cause they want to cover their ass, but they go like so beyond where it's like, this is kind of like- - This is kind of just exploitive now. - But people want their five minutes of fame, right? - Yeah, and it's like, what are you gonna do? Get five minutes of fame yourself? No, I don't think so. What are you gonna do, build a career? Good one, good one. - Not without my help. - Not without Simon Cowell fucking breathing down your throat? I don't think so.

- Jesus Christ. - I'll tell you what Sydney's been watching recently. She's been like, she's gone off the true prime for a bit and she's just- - Oh, has she? - Yeah, she's now turned over to trash TV, reality trash TV. She's been watching 90 Day Fiance.

- Bro, I could just feel the script when I'm watching that show. Like you can tell like the producers have made them do like two, three takes. - Of course. - It's awful. I can't stand it. I watched like one whole season of it and it was just like, they just repeat the same shit. - You watched one whole season? - I watched a whole season of it. - I'm impressed. - Yeah, how? - I don't know. I really don't know. I didn't enjoy half of it either. I was watching it and it's just like, they go in fucking circles.

They'll be like, so they'll meet up and they'll be like, yeah, it's kind of weird, but we just love each other. And then there'll just be like red flags right from the start. They'll be like, yeah, he asked me to PayPal him like 10 grand, you know, he doesn't want to have kids, I want to have kids. But you know, I think love has a way. - It's like the shittiest love drama, right? - It's fucking genius. - No, no, because I feel like watching 90 Day Fiance, right? - I lose brain cells watching this shit. - I lose brain cells watching it, but I think it like, I imagine what if it aired like on Twitch or something?

I think it would be a fucking excellent experience if something like that aired on Twitch. - Like unscripted? - No, I mean just like watching with like the Twitch chat. - Oh, yeah. - See all the reactions. That's like part of the fun. - The worst part about watching it like in seasons was like without the YouTube comments, 90 Day Fiance is like 90% less enjoyable. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Because the best comments were like making sure that everyone agrees with you on who's the bigger asshole. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like literally like the,

a real life version of "Am I the Arsehole?" You know, you go that see the spicy drama, but watching it by yourself, I feel is just, you lose half of the enjoyment out of it. - How did you sit through like a normal episode of that? - Oh, it was hard. - Because like I watched, 'cause obviously like anybody, I got into through the fucking Ed and Rose clips, right? That went around. - Yeah, me too. - So I was just like,

if the clips are this good, then I'm pretty sure the entire episode is good. It's not. It's such a drag. - It is one of those TV shows where like the clip is the best way to watch it. - Yeah. - Watching this was like brutal. Like none of these couples are like good people. They're all just like the worst people doing the shittiest things to each other and then being surprised when none of it works. And it's like, it is horrible.

- I mean, like it's trash TV, but I mean, you know why you're watching it, right? No one's watching it to be like, "Maybe this situation will work out." And this girl's like, "You know, this guy who's on his 10th marriage, and I've only known for three months, I don't know if he really loves me." - It is literally, it is like- - They're like, "What? No way!"

- It is like someone has made like a playbook of like the worst setups to relationships. It's like, there's always like someone who can't speak the other person's language. So they just can't communicate. - Most of the time it's like that. - And it's like, what the fuck are you doing? - What the hell was that? - We're recording.

- You're watching 90 Day Fiancé over there? - He's just loading up an episode right now apparently. - So what are they talking about? - There was like one where it was like, the girl's like 18 and the guy's 46 and has two kids. And I'm like, that just sounds like a bad idea. - Like Ed and Rose. - Yeah, it was like that and someone else. And then there was like, what was the other one? There was like, it was one of them. I think it was like, oh, he was like a South African guy.

And other one was like an American, she was like super activist and stuff. And he was just kind of like the most laid back man on earth. He was like, "Yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever." And she was just like, "I need you to know that I care about these things." And she was psychotic. And watching her behave around this guy was like awful. And I was just like, "This is terrible. This is awful. Why is he doing this? How much is he getting paid?"

- Yeah, that's what I'm wondering. - Are they getting paid? I need to know. - No, no, it's TLC, so they're definitely paying. - Are you sure they're getting paid? - They're getting paid pennies. - 'Cause I feel like- - I hope they're getting paid. - Because if they're not getting paid, I don't know why they're putting up with half of this shit. - I'm pretty sure TLC pays all of the people that they have. - Are you sure? - Yeah, but I use the word paid very loosely. They're probably getting paid scraps for that shit. - Yeah, it's just like, I'm watching this and I'm like, how much would you have to pay me to make this?

- Because you know that Rose, the Filipino girl, she's like a YouTuber now. - Yeah, I saw, I saw. - So it's just like, you probably got paid shit all, but hey, you got a YouTube career now, I guess, I don't know. You have a following. - That was like the rare situation where if the other side is just so goddamn awful, it makes you look amazing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I did her a solid.

- It's always weird for me watching American reality TV show versus British reality TV show. 'Cause I feel like British reality TV show is like so much more toned down than American. Like I think when I think of British reality TV shows, the peak that comes to me is something like "Come Dine With Me". - That's pretty good. Or like what's the other one that that fucking guy does where you just come up to him at a table and he just buys shit off you for like a hundred quid.

- It's the antique hunters or something. - Oh, antiques roadshow? - Antique roadshow, yeah. - Is that it? - I like that. - That has literally been on the air for like, I don't know how long and it's just fun to watch. Just people to bring in something. I'll give you fucking 20 quid for it. - Yeah, it's like the fucking, you know, like porn stars, right? - But like more legit than that, yeah. - Yeah, "Come Dine With Me" is probably the best British reality show, I think. - I enjoy it.

One of my favorite trash reality TV shows on, I can't remember the name, but the concept is they take this couple who, you know, doesn't have a lot of money, but wanting, but want to get married. - Oh my God. - Want to get married. - Fucking Aki loves that one. - Cheapest Weddings, right? - Yeah, not Cheapest Weddings. - That's the Australian version. - Is that the Australian version? - That's the Australian version. - And they give them 10K to sort out this wedding, right? - Oh, it's a,

And like the bride has no control. She doesn't know anything and it's all up to the guy. - Aki's obsessed with that show. - It was a BBC three show. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Who called the bride or something like that? - Something like that. - Something like that. - Who wants the bride? - Who wants the bride? Something like that. But it was such a good concept in my opinion 'cause like 10K I feel like is,

just the right amounts of money to be able to make a wedding happen, but not enough to make everything you want out of a wedding happen. - That's pretty genius. - Yeah, it's genius. And like making the guy do it as well. - I mean, you don't need producers, right? You just sit there and follow the guy. If he does nothing, that's fantastic content. - And they must be fully aware of it too, 'cause they always choose to use the 10K in the worst fucking way imaginable. - We should have done that with Garnt's wedding.

- Because the guys in the show, right? The first thing they do, it's like call up the crew and they call up their boys and they're like, and then like the main guy will be fucking clueless. And then there'll be that one friend who's like, I really don't think you should, you know, hire inflatable dinosaurs for your wedding. That seems like a bad idea.

- No, no, I got this, it's my wedding. - There's either the guy who like, there was never a guy who got it like 100% right. 'Cause you don't guarantee. But there was a guy who was like pretty close and then like did a modest attempt. And there was just the other type of guy that was like, I'm gonna do fucking Star Wars themed wedding. It's my wedding. - My favorite one is the one where like the groom like decides to get married in like a pig barn. - Oh yes. - Yeah. - I've seen this one. - Like they go to like a, the dead ass go to like a farm with like fucking mugs

- It's like muddiest ground. - But you love pigs. - I think I saw one where the guy like hosted the wedding in a cave, like a proper, an actual cave. - That's badass if you're not caving. - Yeah, I mean, that's badass, but then like- - If you're not in the nutty putty. - Like he knew that the bride's mom was claustrophobic. So the bride's mom actually- - How to get rid of the in-laws.

- So the bride's mom actually couldn't attend like the wedding ceremony 'cause it was like- - So standing outside the cave. - That's fucking big brain. That's so big brain. Yeah, so my in-laws hate boats. So I decided let's get on a cruise. - As someone who's like planning a wedding now, it's great for me 'cause I'm just like,

- I see the stress that people can go through. - You're usually giving a survey to Sydney's family. So what are your fears, by the way? - What are you afraid of? - We're talking like zooms. - It's like my favorite moment is always when they try to pick the dress. And it's never, it's not even a little bit wrong, it's always the complete opposite of what the bride picked. - It's literally like, and one, two, three, and have a breakdown, have a mental breakdown right now. Start crying, start telling that the wedding's over. That's literally how it like.

Smart 12-year-old can do it.

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the reason why people apply for that share is you get a free wedding. - Yeah. - But like, man, organizing a wedding seems like one of the easiest things to get wrong in life. Like just, I thought about this. - That's the most nervous part. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought about this and I was like, God damn, just the like, 'cause you know, like, all right, you have friends, right? But like not every friend you wanna come to your wedding, right? So that must be so fucking awkward deciding like, you're a good enough friend, but like,

I don't know if you're like good enough for the wedding. - I can barely organize a boy's night out, let alone a fucking wedding. - How many friends do you have, right? And like, where do you draw the line? Who's close enough? How do you decide? Is it like a mutual thing? You're like, no, I don't like Ted. - Wedding politics is like definitely a thing. - That seems so difficult. - My cousin went through it as well. And it's just, there's a lot that goes into a wedding that I like, I have no interest. Obviously it's like trying to plan a wedding yourself is hard enough. Trying to plan a wedding,

like when you're not in the country and also during like COVID hit. - Hard mode. - This is like, not even like hard mode. This is like Dark Souls, no hit run mode, man. Like there's so many things that can fuck up as well. - I love how nowadays whenever anything is like extremely hard, the first thing you think of is Dark Souls, no hit. Nothing's harder than that.

- Yeah, I mean, it's stressful, but it's rewarding. - Yeah, it must be. - I think. - Is it gone? - I mean, it's rewarding. - The city's watching, yes, yes. - It's rewarding until like, it'll be rewarding once it actually finishes, right? - Yeah, yeah. - And everything goes smoothly. - I mean, like the planning parts, some of it's better than the others. Like I remember like my favorite moment so far has been actually going to the venue and just being like, yeah, this is the place. This is the place. That's an amazing feeling. Everything up to that, like searching through about,

50 catalogs of possible places and driving to about 10 different places and being like, do I wanna settle on this? I don't know. Can I see myself getting married in a barn or a cave or whatever? - In Japan, it's like crazy how like fucking seriously they take this. - Oh yeah.

- Oh, it's like in Asia, we think there's like wedding politics in Western weddings. No, in Asia, it's a fucking statement. - Yeah. - Right? And I hate that. I absolutely hate that. - There's so many unspoken rules at an Asian wedding. - The amount that they must spend on weddings here. - Oh, it's not. - Yeah, it's insane. - If you go to like any like fancy hotel in Japan, like if you go there for like a lunch or something, you'll see that like the wedding planning rooms are like

full with people. And like those prices don't seem cheap. They seem real expensive. Like 50K on a wedding, I'm like, what? - I went to one of my friend's weddings from university and he did it in Japan in Tokyo. And the inside of this venue looked like a fucking mini Disneyland. Like there was like a castle and like a fucking fountain and this like massive completely white church. I'm like, how much money did you spend on that?

- What amount of money is too much to spend on a wedding? I get that it's a special day, but there has to be a limit where special day is ridiculous. - Not to mention there was like 300 people at this wedding. - Yeah, because nobody knows 300 people. I'm sorry. I don't even know if I have that many friends on Facebook, let alone at a wedding. - Do you like families asking like, "Hey, can my family friend of a friend come?" Do you get like that? 'Cause I feel like I'd be like, "No, I don't fucking know."

- No, in Japan, it's like the wedding politics extends to like- - You have to invite work people. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause it's all about the face, right? So like in Thailand, you have to invite your family, your family friends, your work colleagues, like basically everyone. - I mean close colleagues, yeah.

- Yeah, if they're actual mates. - I'm inviting my boss. - Yeah, another thing about Thai weddings. - Shut up, Bailey. - Which is why like me and Sydney decided to have a wedding in the UK. So we didn't have to worry about that side of the politics. But like it's a customary in Thai weddings as well that the groom has to give money, has to give like a certain amount of money to the bride's like family for his like father to accept or something.

- What era are we in? You buying her? Is that like an extra step? - How much is your daughter? I give you two goats. - Is that like an auction? Like what is this? - That's like fucking Russian like mother. It's like, I give you two goats. - This feels like an extra step to like auction. - Yeah, I mean, it's something that I don't agree with and I've seen like some of my family members do it and I'm just like,

I don't know, I kinda don't agree with this. - Is that where it comes from? Like where does that come from that like? - Honestly, I have no idea. - Does it come from something more sinister like way back? - It must be. - It must be. I mean, I'm not sure how the custom started because you know, like it's something that I've attended Thai weddings and I've seen happen. I've never kind of asked where this came from. I just kind of was just like,

- Yeah, I don't think I wanna do that. - So you guys just gotta do it. - Dad, did you buy mom? - But yeah, but I mean like- - At cheap price. - I did it at a deal size. - I mean, it's also- - I bargained hard. - I mean, it's also like the same customary where it's like the bride's dad is expected to pay for the wedding, right? And I'm just like, no, that shouldn't be the case either. - Yeah. - Right? Like it's, it's, it's,

To me a wedding, there's so many customaries to weddings where that revolve around money that I just don't understand. - I guess 'cause like maybe, I mean, that was common. That's pretty common in the West still, right? That the other person, the bride's parents will pay. I mean, it's understandable when marriage used to be way younger, like 21. I get it then 'cause you're not gonna have any money, but now people are getting married at what, like 27, 30, 35. So it's like, you know what I mean?

- You probably should have your own money by then. - You probably should be planning a wedding if you're unemployed at 30. - Just saying. I'm just sorry for that guy who just like, you know, had like five children and all of them ended up being daughters. - He's like, fuck, come on, come on, son, son, son. Oh God.

- It's like the aging population pyramid thing where it's like, "It won't bite you now, it'll bite you later." - Yeah, because isn't that like, I remember I saw this, I don't remember if it was a Vice documentary or some kind of documentary on YouTube where like, I forgot which country it was, somewhere in the Middle East where they still have the tradition of wife napping.

- What? - Where it's like, they dead up, I forgot which country it was, but I remember I saw this documentary and there's this tradition, quote unquote tradition, where guys, if they find a girl that they find attractive and they see as wife material, some of them will actually like dead ass kidnap them

like in broad daylight, take them back to their parents' place. And the girl is then forced to get married to this guy. - What is this like fucking real life Pokemon? - This sounds like RuneScape. - And like traditionally the girl can't decline it. - Really? - Yeah. So like she has to get married in. And this documentary I saw is like, it's so fucking disturbing. 'Cause there's these girls who are literally just breaking down while they get the veil put on top of them and shit.

- It's fucked. I wish I could remember the name of the documentary. - Literally the Trash Taste podcast, I was like, there was this thing, I don't remember that. - Just look it up. If you look up like wife napping, I think it's called. - Trash Taste podcast, early onset Alzheimer's. We're just fucking forgetting. We forget everything here. We can't remember anything. We're fucking useless. - This thing I saw on the internet, I vaguely remember that. But there's one detail I remember that I want to talk about now and just share to the world. It's not fucked up.

- I remember perfect example of that, I think it was the, there was one episode we were talking about like how very rarely like anime uses English like songs in the openings and endings. And we're bringing up all these titles and we're like, oh, I'm sure there's other ones we don't know. All the titles are like,

- Jojo? Hello? You know that one show you're all obsessed about? - I just forget everything all the time. - I feel like when you put on the spot, especially when you put on the spot. - And you're recording. - And you're recording. - Just never take our word on anything. That's just the golden rule.

- Never take our word on anything. - We are not liable for anything that we have. You know what I don't forget though? 'Cause it happened to me right yesterday. - What? - I was stopped by the police. - What do you mean? - What did you do? - I'm a criminal. - What did you do? - What illegal activity that you did? - Being white, I'm joking.

- Being a minority for once. - Wait, what did you do? - Nothing, I was literally nothing. So like, I was literally like, okay, so I'm coming up the escalator to like, you know, 'cause in Japan you have to like ding out of the gates, right? So I'm coming up to the escalator to go through the gates and there's like two pylons, two sets. So I'm coming up the escalators, I'm gonna go forward to jump, ding out.

and literally hiding behind the pylon as a police officer. And when I pass him, I've got headphones on, I got a cap on, so like, maybe I look fucking dodgy, I don't know. But literally when I pass this guy, I see like in my corner of my eye, this guy just jump into action. Just immediately come up to me and stop me.

"What have I done, dude?" And I'm like, "What's wrong?" And I'm like, "Oh." So I won't say anything in Japanese. I'll just translate it all. He's like, "Oh, where are you going?" And I'm like, "Just going home, you know, just chilling out. "What's up?" He's like, "Oh really? Cool, cool. "Can I see your card?" So you have like a foreigner's card, right? - Yeah, which by law, you always have to have this foreigner, what's it called?

- Yeah, yeah. And he asked me if like Japanese is okay. I'm like, yeah, I can speak a little bit. And luckily like everything he said, I understood. So it was good. And he was like, oh, okay. And by the way, like my train is in like, I think like four minutes. So I'm like, come on man,

Come on, keep it up, keep it up. So he looks at my card and it says like, oh, I'm an entertainer. He's like, oh, cool, cool, what do you do? I'm like, oh, I say, say you, which means like voice actor. And he's like, oh, say you. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's like, oh, ego sensei. So like Japanese teacher. And I'm like, what?

I literally just told you, why would it be entertainer? I'm just sitting there like, oh no, no, no. Like say, say like MC Thor, like commercials games. It's like, oh, games. I'm like, yeah, yeah, games. He's like, what games? And I was just like, I was like, what do you want me to, like, you're gonna look it up? Like, what do you want? So I'm like, oh, it's in English, it's in English. And he's like, oh, and dead ass, right? He goes, oh, do you play Apex?

- He's like 40, maybe 50. Deadass asked me if I play Apex. I'm just sitting here like laughing. So I'm like, fuck. And I shit you not, I say, yeah, I'm diamond rank. And he goes, which means like, oh, you're strong.

And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, it's just been like two minutes, two minutes. And I'm trained to two minutes. And he's like, oh cool, you're from the UK. I'm like, yeah, yeah, from the UK. So it's like, and at this point I feel like, okay, I'm kind of like, I know he's not gonna like- - He's just making conversation. - He's just talking to me. - Sounds like he's just looking for a friend right now. - I don't know why he's talking to me. He doesn't say why he stopped me. He doesn't say anything like that. - Maybe he was one of the Japanese dudes who played Apex. - Maybe, maybe.

He just looks at you and he's like, "This guy gives off gamer energy. "I'm gonna stop him." - I wonder if that guy plays Apex. I'm gonna stop him and ask him. And so, yeah, so I'm like there and he's like, "I'm from the UK." He asks where I'm from. - So he can speak good English then.

- No, no, no, it's all in Japanese. - Okay, okay, okay. - He can speak, he was Nihongo Joe. - Luckily, everything he said, I either understood or understood enough of what he's saying to form, figure out what he's like. He said something about something going to UK, something, something marriage. And I'm like, ah, and I said like honeymoon in like broke, like Katakana, like, ah, honeymoon. And he's like, ah, hi, hi, hi.

So he told me that he went to the UK and he loved it. He said, "Oki-ben." - "Oki-ben." - "Oki-ben." - He said he liked Big Ben and that he liked Buckingham Palace. He said the Japanese word for palace, which is- - Kyuden. - Yeah, he said that something, Kyuden Palace. - Buckingham Kyuden. - Yeah, he said, "Buckingham Kyuden." And I'm like, I'm pretty sure he's saying Buckingham Palace. I'm like, "Kyuden, it's beautiful, isn't it? "It's beautiful." He's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

- Yeah, I was like laughing. I'm like, I don't want to laugh though. Cause he's a police officer. You're like, why are you laughing? - Because you guys know what Bing means, right? - What? - It means shit.

- So saying Orky Bain. - I didn't know that. - It's like dead ass means giant shit. - I mean, it's pretty shit. It's pretty shit. - Big shit. Big shit. - It's the big shit. - I thought the word for shit was uncle. - No, Bain is another word for it, yeah. - So yeah, and then he was just like, "Yeah, I go to Paris." I'm like, "Oh yeah, you like wine?" He's like, "Yeah, me and my wife love wine." I'm like, "Cool, cool, I like wine too." And he's like, "All right, yeah, you can go now." And I'm like, "Thanks, man. Thanks for making me miss my fucking train."

- So you dead ass just bonded with a police officer over Apex. - Yeah, luckily it was nice, but like, it's pretty like alerting when you first stop you. And I'm like, why are you stopping me? And then someone told me they were like, yeah, apparently there's like some police officers like quotas of like people that have to stop.

- Oh really? - Makes sense. - In certain areas. - They've just got so little work to do here. - And they're normally told to- - I guess they're getting paid to do something. - This is like the least like xenophobic way of like saying this, but I've been told, I don't know if this is true, that some police officers are told to stop foreigners to practice their English.

- I mean, that makes sense. - That makes sense. - But it feels wrong. Like if that happened in another country, you'd be like, that's fucked up. That's not right. Fuck that. - Yeah. - But I mean, you know, like- - At least they're nice about it though, right? - Yeah. I just don't like that they asked like my ID. Like, I don't know, something about that feels weird. - I guess they- - They're like, check my card. - I think though because they're obligated to do that.

- I think they have to do that, right? - It feels threatening when someone asks for your ID. - There's never a way where a policeman asks for your ID and you don't at least sweat a little. - Yeah, right? I'm like. - You do like the audible swallow. - This is literally like white guy gets like discriminated first time in his life, POV.

- So this is what it feels like to be a minority. - I'm like shit, this is fucked up. I'm kidding, I know it's fucking bad. But like, yeah, I mean, it's happened a few times, but it was 'cause it was happened at like 10:00 PM.

For some reason when it happens at night, it feels like way more like, whoa. And I'm like, why are you stopping anyone else? I'm the only non-Japanese here. - Dude, you shouldn't have told this story on trash days. You could have easily made up. I got my first racist experience in Japan type of video. - I'll do it on a live stream so the clip can come out before this. - Good idea, good idea. Big brain. - I just started cracking up so much when he asked me when I played Apex. I was like.

- Oh my God. - Oh my fucking God. - I was like, you can't make this shit up. Like I knew when I was gonna tell the story, people were gonna be like, that's bullshit. No, it actually, I wish I fucking recorded it. - This is like, yeah, and everyone applauded. - I was like, this is too unreal that he literally just asked me if I play Apex. When I literally like don't shut up about it, it's like everyone. But it's really popular in Japan, so it's not surprising.

- What are like the biggest games in Japan? - What genre of games? Like in first person shooters, I think it's like Apex right now. - Like, 'cause is online games big in Japan even? - Yeah, yeah, there's a huge scene for it. - Apex right now is massive because- - Also VTubers are playing it. - Shockingly because the VTubers that are playing it. - It was popular before that. - Yeah, but the VTubers, Nijisanji VTubers propelled the fuck out of Apex. - Yeah, because like when we moved to Japan,

I think is when- - PUBG was big, right? - PUBG was big, but I think Apex either just released or released like a while back and they were doing a huge push for it. 'Cause the month where we moved here, every single ad I got was Apex Legends. - Really? - In Japan, yeah, everything was. And I thought, wow, that's kind of weird 'cause it's kind of like a dead game in like the West, or at least it was. I feel like it flip flops and whether it's popular or not. - Yeah, what even counts as a dead game anymore, right? - Overwatch, I'd say. That's 'cause Overwatch 2 is coming out, so they're just like abandoned.

- Not a dead game, but not in the public discourse is what I would consider. When people say dead game, I think that's what they mean. It's not like no one plays it. - The main population is talking about it or not.

- Yeah, like it's not like you're not expected to have some general knowledge about it. - You're not expected to have a police officer come up to you and say, "Do you play Overwatch?" - "Do you play Overwatch?" - "And you're like dead game." - "Who do you mean? Who's your Overwatch mate?" Like, "You a tank team?" - I'm gonna sound like such a fucking boomer right now. Like what even are the popular games right now?

- Right, 'cause like when I think popular game, I think, you know, whatever the fat is right now, like Among Us and Fall Guys. - Well, I think after the Among Us kind of like settled, it definitely became a bit more variety. Like tends to be quite a lot. Like Valheim is picking up steam, which is kind of like a re-imagining of RuneScape almost. - It's like all I've heard Valheim is, is just like Minecraft but better graphics. - I heard RuneScape with like mixed with Minecraft. - Oh really?

Apex has obviously had a really big resurgence, doing really good numbers. Like a lot of big streamers are getting back into it. I think Valorant's still doing pretty well. League's obviously league. - League's just always up there. - I think CS:GO is still the same thing where it's always been like kind of like, you know, the scrappy little underdog. - 'Cause I think the thing is, like I look at the top watch games on Twitch and they're normally like the games that I just never end up playing. So I don't actually, I never actually know what everyone ends up playing or what's kind of popular right now.

- We haven't had any massive games recently. After Among Us, we haven't really had anything that's stolen the spotlight, I don't think. I could be wrong. I think the last time I spoke about games, I got things very wrong. People gave me shit in the back. Fair enough, go ahead. - I feel like the whole idea of like, you know, like the most popular game nowadays is a little bit blurred just because like-

Anyone can play anything now. - I feel like it's like there's gonna be the top games. Like chess has had already big resurgence, obviously. Bloons tower defense six, man. I'm telling you, man. - It's coming. - Everyone's playing it, man. - I'm stepping in before it gets big. - Fortnite obviously is just Fortnite. I don't know. Like I feel like a lot of games are just kind of like settled.

- Yeah. - We haven't really had anything that's shaken up in a while. - I remember for the longest time, we're in the league community where everyone was just like, yo, league's dying, league's dying. - League's never gonna die. - Yeah, it's never gonna, well, it's never gonna die. It plateaued, but I feel like there's a difference between something plateauing and something kind of like- - And also the league viewership has been like-

like pretty consistent. - Just because it plateaus doesn't mean it's dying. - No, no, no. I mean, League is still like, you can still easily support a billion dollar company on the money that are playing it. But it's like, is it in public discourse right or not? - I usually chalk up to whether a game is popular if like- - Minecraft as well. - Like small kid, like the younger generation are playing it.

- True. - If you go to like a primary school and they're talking about Apex and Fortnite and Minecraft, then it's like, okay, this is like the big games right now. - Yeah, it's funny, man. I mean, my mom was telling me, she works in a primary school. She told me like one kid got like really bullied because he was like bad at Fortnite. - No, wasn't there a, there was a story in- - One of the skin as well. - Yeah, there was a story in Japan where a kid got bullied because he had the default skin in Fortnite.

- Serves him right. - I mean, I think we've talked about this before, but I've heard the same story as well. - But like, I think Minecraft is definitely probably the biggest. - I'd say Minecraft's still the biggest. - Minecraft's just a juggernaut at this point. - Since our last stream, I've been like, should I play Minecraft? Should I play Minecraft?

- It's dead ass so far. It's so relaxing. - If we all play Minecraft, you guys gotta try Apex. We should do that. We should do like a game cultural cross-pollination. - Cross-pollination. - We should do that. Come on. It's what the people want Garnt.

- You're just never gonna give up on this. - I know if you guys try it, you'll have a good time. I reckon you guys will enjoy it. Yeah, I think you will. - I think every person who ever offered me an FPS game said the same thing. - It's because this is with the boys. - I heard it about Fortnite. I heard it about Overwatch. I've already talked about this. - We'll give it a shot. We'll give it a shot. We'll try it guys. Don't worry. I'll convince them. - So I guess switching gears, did you guys hear about this like deep fake story that happens? I think.

- So yesterday for us, it'll probably be like three weeks for the audience. - Yeah, three weeks for the audience. - So facts may come out. - I have not. - Well, we've deep fake becoming like such a big, like a bigger thing now.

- I can't, we're gonna go back to this. I can't remember every detail of the story, but I think the main gist of it was there was this mom and she had a daughter who was on the cheerleading squad. - Can we get Maylene to check the story while we're talking about it? Just Google deep fake news, that'll be like a top story. - So I believe there was a mom who had a daughter who was on the cheerleading squad and there were other girls on that cheerleading squad and for some reason she wanted

she wanted to kick these other girls off of the squad. So what she did is she made some deep fakes

like of the other girls. - Like smoking, drinking. - Yeah, like smoking, drinking. Doing like bad illegal activities or whatever. And I think threatening them with it, right? I can't remember if she threatened them or she sent them straight to the street. - Not sure how she did it, but I think they saw it and the reason why it got even found out was because they took it to the police. A few of them went to the police. - Yeah, and how she got found out was she used the fake number. She used like this internet service that gave her a fake number, but-

that didn't hide her IP address. And that's the only reason she got found out. - This episode is sponsored by. - I don't think she would've got caught if she was sponsored by. - I don't think our sponsor would be very happy. - That's why we're not gonna mention any names.

- Yeah, but I mean, I saw it and I'm just like, well, I can't believe they actually took this long for something like this to happen. - You know what the most unbelievable part of the story is? There's a mom out there that's tech savvy enough. - That's what I thought. - I don't even think my mom knows what a fucking deep fake is, let alone how to, she doesn't even know how to search for files on Windows. I'm actually impressed her mom knew how to make a deep fake. - Because I'm impressed- - Like what? - I'm impressed that mom knew how to do a deep fake, but I'm even more like, because, okay.

I'm not sure if any of this is confirmed. So I'm gonna put out a disclaimer that- - We could be totally wrong. This could be, please check the story at the time of filming. - By the time this comes out, all right. - I'll tell the story while I can't- - By the time this comes out, everything might be confirmed. This might all have been like false information or it might've just been like claims. But at the time of recording, we don't know if it's real or not. But these are what the allegations are. And the allegation was that she did this because

the daughters on the cheerleading squad, she stopped hanging out with her daughter. And so she wanted to get them kicked off because of that. And I'm just thinking if someone's this petty to be this crazy,

- How dare you are not friendly with my daughter. - How does she manage to figure out how to do deep fakes? - She also sent them anonymous messages telling them that they should end their own lives as well to these kids. - The mom did that? - The mom did that. - What the fuck? - This fucking, how? This is some fucking- - Some people are not supposed to be parents. - This is so cartoon villain. It's so absurd that someone could be this fucked.

- Oh my God. - Yeah. But I mean, I saw that and I'm just thinking my first thought was, one, I'm surprised that it took this long for something like this to happen. - This mugshot looks like she's tore someone's face off. - Oh my God. She looks like a Disney villain, doesn't she? - Yeah, Maleficent just ripped someone's face off and stitched it. I shouldn't say that, it's probably going too far, isn't it? - That's like the- - I should know, fuck you.

- That actually looks like she's wearing someone else's face. - Oh my God. You know what's more concerning about that? That was someone's parent. - Yeah. - Holy fuck. Imagine being raised by someone like that.

- Holy fuck, that kid's gonna be fucked. - But apparently the kid knew nothing. Like the mom did this without telling the kid, she did this by herself, so. - How do you even tell the kid like, the kid's like, "Are you cool with this kid?" "No, I'm not." "Mom, what's wrong with you?"

- There's replying back to a nasty tweet and then there's creating deep fakes. - Please don't tell my schoolmates to go kill themselves and make deep fakes. - When I would tell my mom that I was being bullied, she wasn't thrilled about it. But she was like, you know, I'm not happy about this. I'll put in a word to the teacher, but you're on your own kid. This is your problem. - Exactly. Like I can't deal with this shit. I don't even know what's going on. - Like, I mean, fucking hell. - That's scary.

- Just so many of these parts of the story is actually insane that this could happen. It is literally like a horror movie plot. - It is. - You can't be like, what? - This is kind of like, it's almost too cartoony to be a Black Mirror episode. That's what I think. - It is, it is. It's so like, if this was a Black Mirror episode, you'd be like, yeah, twists really predict

like really over the top. - It's like a B grade horror film. - Like the mom's kind of an unbelievable villain here. She could have used more character development, more motivation. No, this is reality. But what scares me is that,

like what does this mean for the future of deep fakes now? Because like this week, especially this new apps come up where it's gotten really easy to deep fake, deep fake, use it for memes, use it for harmless memes to make people sing fucking Baka Mitai or-

- We're used to people doing fucking terrible Photoshop, so doing stuff like that. So if someone sent me a video of me doing something I clearly didn't do or never ever did, I'd be like, "I don't really give a fuck, it's fake." And I'll say it's fake and that'll probably be the end of it.

But to someone who's never really had anything online or any kind of like, you know, posted anything about themselves outside of their personal Facebook, I can see why receiving a video that looks like you doing something that you didn't do could be fucking terrifying. - Yeah, absolutely. - And that you would think that, wow, people are really gonna believe this. Even though, you know, realistically, they're probably not going to if you explain that it's fake.

- Yeah, I mean, it's gotten to a point where like for people like us especially, where we show our faces on camera pretty often. It wouldn't be hard to make a convincing deep fake with us coming on camera literally every week. - I think we all agree on this, that you do not have permission to make any deep fakes of us and we don't condemn any of them by the way, just saying that. You're legally not allowed to do that. - I mean, is there anything legal that's, you know, that? - Yeah, you can't, you're not like, I think legally speaking, you can't like just do that.

depending on what jurisdiction you're in. So I remember Tom Scott did a video about it. I think the laws around it are a bit iffy and obviously stuff like this always takes time. - Because it's such a new thing. - It's a really new thing. 'Cause like, you know, I've seen like the Bucky Mettai deepfakes, I'm just like, you know, this is funny meme, whatever. But then I don't know how I would feel if I saw the KSI Ainsley Harriot deepfake. - That's so good. - That's so good. It's funny as fuck, but then,

- Something at the back of my mind, which makes me like, that's fucking worrying. - Yeah, how good it is. - How good it is. And I'm glad it's been used as a funny meme, but my God, if I saw my face on somebody else like that, I would just think, damn.

I'm glad this is being used for a funny meme, but this could be used for something that's really harsh. - Luckily right now, as many deepfakes things are being made, there's just as many things that are detecting if deepfakes have been made, like programs that are being written to detect them. So right now it's like, a lot of softwares will detect when it's a deepfake. But whether it will get to the point in future,

that it isn't so easy. - Do you think like it's only a matter of time before we get our first deep fake cancellation? - No, I think we're quite far away from that. I think there's still too rough

and the technology isn't there yet, but I think it's possible within like 10 years. - I've seen some deep fakes that are really fucking convincing though. - But like the videos are like always in like 480p max. - Right. - Well that's like kind of the video you would expect for, I don't know, like the kind of phone quality exposed videos. They're never like 720p 4K. - It's always like fucking PlayStation iCamera. - But I think the more,

- The easier it gets to cancel someone from a deep fake, the less canceling will happen 'cause everyone will be like, "It's a deep fake. "Is it a deep fake?" Or everyone's defense is gonna be, "It's a deep fake." - Yeah, all right. - That video of me punching a baby, deep fake.

- That's the thing, how long until the deep fake argument is going to be legitimate? - Yeah, yeah. - Well, I mean, the moment that you can count someone for a deep fake is when that argument will come valid. 'Cause they'll be like, "Well, I mean, you saw that deep fake, it was a deep fake." - It's a really good deep fake. Looks so real. Oh my God, I can't believe it myself. - Our world's gonna become a lot more messy when it gets there, unfortunately. But you know, it's... - Yeah, I mean, there's nothing... What's scary is that there's nothing to stop the technology being out there.

But I mean, I guess you can argue this for a lot of things. 'Cause I remember when 3D printers became a thing and then- - Well, you can still 3D print guns. - Yeah, exactly. You can still 3D print guns. - You shouldn't, but you can. - I mean, you shouldn't and I believe it's illegal, right? - The laws around it are real weird.

- I think what it is is that there's most 3D printing machines can detect if it's like the blueprint of a gun or firearm or something and just not- - It's like a Photoshop. If you put a picture of the dollar bill in, they won't let you do anything to it. It'll like stop you.

- Oh really? I had no idea about that. - So they don't want you to Photoshop it to like try and like, you know, 'cause the software is so powerful. - Print out free money. - Photoshop is really powerful tool. And the stuff that they're constantly adding to it is just, you know, adding to the repertoire of how strong it is. And it's like very concerning. But then again, you know,

- It's like when Photoshop first started as well, like we were all like, oh my God, people are gonna be like, it's crazy. Everyone's gonna start getting canceled. They're gonna be, people are gonna put Nicholas Cage in orgies. Although that's not realistic. - Bad example. - I can't remember there being a case where someone got in trouble for a Photoshop picture, like a big story. Like, because normally, you know,

- A picture at least, there needs to be a lot more context behind why the picture exists. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - And without reasonable context of why the picture would exist, people aren't really gonna believe it. I feel like it's probably gonna be the same for a video. Like if there's a video of like, I don't know, like Robert Downey Jr. just like I said, like punching a kid in like a park or something. It's gonna be like, well, one, why is Robert Downey Jr. in a park? Why is he playing basketball with a kid then punching him?

There's just gonna be like, the context is gonna be needed. Like there's gonna be so many questions that need to be answered before you take a video seriously. I think that's gonna put you in a habit. - But like how long until you do run into like that, you know, perfect situation where it's like, oh, the story is there, the narrative is there, everything lines up. The only difference is that Robert Downey Jr. didn't actually punch the kid. But I can make him punch the kid. - I mean, fucking fake news articles are bad enough already with,

with how, you know, there are fucking anti-vaxxers and flat earthers and just things that have been enabled because it's so easy to stay in your bubble and really like strengthen your own argument. - It's a worrying time. - It is definitely a worrying time. - But I don't let it get to me. I'm trying to enjoy life, you know. - I'm just trying to live my best life. - The world may be ending, but I'm gonna have a good time. - I'm still laughing at these memes.

I care about what I need to care about and no more. That's kind of how I like to do it. I just think that after a certain point, if you just start worrying about everything, you're just gonna be fucking miserable.

And like, I think obviously, you know, when it comes to like, you know, you're voting on your politician, your area. Yeah, I think you should care about that and that should matter. But like beyond that, do I care if a news presenter in the US says like something fucking abhorrent? I'm like, no, honestly, it's not really my problem and I don't really give a fuck. Like maybe that's, I don't know, is that like elitist to think that? - I think it's just- - Outside of my like, you know, I don't know. To me, like stuff that goes on the US sometimes I'm like, that's honestly not my problem.

Is that bad? Like some people say that's like a prejudice or ignorant mindset where it's like, I have the luxury where I can do that. - It depends on the context, right? Because the problem with that argument I feel is that there's no way a human can care about absolutely everything

- True, true, true. - So at some point you're going to have to pick and choose what you care about. Otherwise, one, you're probably gonna be a miserable fuck. And two, you're gonna wake up and you're just gonna be exhausted and not gonna be able to do anything on the day because you just feel flooded. And I feel flooded enough with my own social media right now. And like, let it land, this is me.

like where social media is so intertwined with our jobs. So I see this stuff and I'm just like, I can't care about it. - I'm pretty sure that's how people become nihilists, right? They just like, they look at the world is like, oh, the world is shit. I guess nothing matters anymore, right? - It feels like it's just been so much like heavier as well ever since the pandemic as well. - Yeah, yeah. - You're just trying to like get by, you know, life's already difficult enough and then shit's going on. You're like, fuck man.

I'm literally just trying to be happy for like 10 seconds here. Can I have this? - Yeah, I kind of feel a bit jealous of our parents when they only had to care about the shit that was happening around them. Now I have to care about shit that's happening halfway across the world. - Like when I see like, you know, my parents are gonna get fucking furious that they changed the bin size of like the council by like 10% lower. They're like, "Oh my God, this is unreasonable." You know, and like, I just miss the days where I could give a fuck about stupid shit like that. Now I gotta worry about like,

literally like cultural ending stuff. - Shit that has nothing to do with you, right? - It's just like, I don't know, man. I wanna care about everything and I wanna give like people who are fighting for like legitimate, like good fights, I wanna help them out. But at the same time, it's like, there's so much fucking like shit going on.

And obviously the internet has obviously made all the information even more accessible. So there's so many more things to care about. Like, all right, I'm trying to care about global warming. Right, I don't wanna waste too much food. Right, what's going on over here? There's a civil war going on in this country and like atrocities happening. How do I like legitimately like give my energy to care about- - You're literally just explaining how to live. That's just life, isn't it? - Yeah, and I don't wanna be like,

- Global warming is more important than people dying in this country. You know what I mean? It's like, where do you draw the line on where to start caring? - Well, I mean, I think you can like, you know, pick and choose what you care about, but it's the difference between being publicly open about that stuff, right? It's like- - I mean, I wouldn't say I don't care about something as much or as like, oh my God, this is so tough to talk about. - Yeah, I mean, it is- - 'Cause it literally makes you sound like an asshole if you say you don't give a fuck about like, Maylene, what do you think, Maylene?

- You're our manager, we make sure we don't get canceled. - Are we gonna get canceled for this mail-in? But no, I totally understand because I feel like that's just part of being human, right? And you know, there's gonna be people that's, you know, make the argument, well, you're privileged enough that you don't have to care about it, right? But I would argue that surely,

Surely you can't, you also can't care about every single issue happening in the world. 'Cause you feel strongly about this one issue because it definitely affects you and I understand that. But surely that means that you can't put the energy into caring about another issue. - I don't think there's any person out there living any type of life, like, you know, precious or not precious, privileged or not.

who can dead ass be in a position where it's like, right now, everything in the world I need to worry about because it's important to me. Like, it doesn't matter who you are. Like there's gonna be one piece of news where you're just like, that has nothing to do with me. - Something that resonates with you. - Yeah. - That like, that you really believe in and that you fight towards like helping that. I'm like, I'm down with that man. - At least you're fighting towards something. It's better than someone just getting up in the morning being like, I don't care about any of this shit. - Yeah, I mean like it's,

it doesn't really bother me much when people get like angry about, you know, like, oh my God, you don't care about this. But I hate people who are like, you don't care enough about the specific thing. Like you should be so angry about this thing. And I'm like, man, I am literally just trying to get by. - What dictates like the quantitative worth of how much you care about something? - There's always some people who get willing to get like outraged and like really like light a fire up their ass for something, you know? And like, you know, obviously,

we need people like that. - Yeah, of course. - Although shit doesn't get done. - You can't expect everyone to be like that. - Yeah, but then I hate it when I see people blackmailing other people being like, you should care more. You should care so much more about this. - Because the problem with the argument is that there's no way to frame it without the person who cares less about the topic. There's no way to frame the argument without making them look good. Because it's just, okay, you don't care about it, therefore you are the asshole because you don't care about this important issue.

And I feel like, can we just accept that we are all human? We are all just trying to get by. Everyone has different issues. Some matter more than others, but it's a lack of empathy. In order to empathize with your problem, you at least have to give us some empathy as well. And I feel like there's,

There's just like a lack of empathy in that sense, in that kind of argument. - I'd like to think if I'm being ignorant on any of this, that it won't result in fucking, let's cancel the boys, but I mean, just let me know down below. I will read the comments. So if I am missing any like big point here or I'm being ignorant, so please do let me know 'cause I would like to change my mindset. - I don't think it's ignorance personally. I think it's just like,

- Yeah, I mean, I'm exactly the same. I try to keep as open mind as possible about everything. And I've definitely changed my viewpoints on certain topics. Thanks to what people have said and what's been discussed. - There's words, like there was one person who, 'cause I think someone tweeted at me, it was like Connor, shouldn't say the word crackhead is like a descriptive word. It's a bad word. 'Cause it apparently has to do with a lot of

like racial stereotyping back in the war on drugs in America and stuff and it's used as a derogatory term. So I just stopped saying it. That was just 'cause someone tweeted at me saying, "Stop saying it." I was like, "Well, I don't really need this word." 'Cause I said it a lot on the podcast and I realized after some like, yeah, I mean, there's like way better ways to describe

what I was trying to that feeling I was trying to get across without using that. And I'm like, yeah, I don't really need to use that word. I haven't said it since on like podcasts or anything. So I'm like, oh, I haven't said it ever. And I just don't feel the need to. And I'm like, cool. Thanks for letting me know, commenter. Like if I have a bad habit, let me know. I'll try and get rid of it. - Yeah. - Yeah. - If you're like Connor, you're fat, fuck you. I'm working on it. Other things, okay.

- The ones I hate the most are, "Connor, you got fat hair." It's like, "Wow, thanks." - That's always rough 'cause that's like, oh my God, yeah. I always feel bad for people whether it's in that situation. It's rough, comments be brutal sometimes. Comments really do pick apart like everything. But it's cool though 'cause sometimes you miss something. - Yeah, exactly. I feel like having a good balance is the healthy thing because you have to find this balance between knowing that you can't please everyone

and finding a balance between, okay, this person's making a legitimate point. I can change my behavior because they're making a sound argument and I completely understand. - I mean, a comment section for the yes man is just kind of boring, isn't it? - Well, I mean, people have that, when I read comments about Trash Taste, I'll be like, oh, I fucking hate Joe or I fucking hate Connor. And I'm like, well, I mean, I get it, right? 'Cause it's like, I guess to us, they're like characters. - That's fine, man. - It's all good, dude. - You got your favorite, I get it. - If you got your favorite, it's all good, dude.

- Yeah, I don't know. But then sometimes they go a little too far with it. Like, man, I wish Connor would fucking quit the podcast.

It's like, I'm sorry, that's not gonna happen anytime soon. - It's not gonna happen, but if it did, do you think everyone wants that? I don't know. - There was some that were just like, man, I wish Connor would just deck Gant in the face or something. Or the other way around. I'm just like- - I will, off camera. - I was like, man, is this how friends act? At least wait till the trash tastes special where we'd like to have a boxing match or something. Not that we have anything planned. That was just me. - People give me a boxing match? - Boxing match confirmed, confirmed, confirmed.

- I'd actually like unironically love to be like a YouTuber boxing match. 'Cause I think like one, Maylene's like getting ideas right now. Maylene's like multimillion dollar, I wish I could bring in multimillion.

I don't know, 'cause like one, you get an excuse to train. You can probably hire a personal coach. I'll probably get in mad shape for that and it'd probably be fun. I'd play the villain. I'd love that. That'd be so much fun. But who would I fight though? That's the thing. I haven't got any enemies. So I should start beef with someone. - Stop flexing. - What do you want? Is not having enemies like something to brag about? Like man, Connor doesn't hate anyone. - I mean, I don't even ask for enemies and I have enemies.

- I mean, enemies are very strong words. - There's probably some people who dislike me, but like I don't have any like open beef with anyone on YouTube. I mean, I don't really fucking do anything. I just kind of just.

- I mean, there's a difference between having YouTuber beef and having actual real beef where you have a big problem with someone. - Yeah, yeah. - What would you categorize like the KSI Logan Paul stuff? Would you just pure YouTube beef or like legit? - That has to be YouTube beef, right? It was so over the top. I mean, I don't, like,

- I think they hated each other. And I think along the way they started liking. - I'm pretty sure it started as legitimate beef and then they were like, "We can make money off of this." - We're making tens of millions of dollars here. Hold on, hold the phone. - I mean, I feel like the line is blurred where you have a financial incentive to have beef. - Oh yeah.

- If they're just like shit talking each other on Twitter. - I can see the light bulb light in an overmailing Ted right now, just like lighting up bro. - She has a pog face right now. - They made like over like what? 20, $30 million each? - Yeah, yeah. - Something like that, yeah. - 'Cause it's not actually beef.

like personal beef about anything that really matters. Like no one told like one of their moms to go fuck themselves or like, or you know, like- - It was like, yeah, the insults were, dude, the fucking, the pre-match like beef, like shit talking things were the best part of the boxing matches.

They were so bad at talking shit to each other. - It was like wrestling level. - It was even worse. - No, no, no, wrestling has good shit talking. - I've seen some wrestling beef talking where I'm just like, guys, come on. - This is like kindergarten insults. Like my dad works for Microsoft. While my dad works for Sony. - My dad is Nintendo. - My dad knows Shigeru Miyamoto. - My dad's Goku.

- And he got the drink. - Just like, yeah, watching, watching, I mean, if you didn't give a shit about any of the YouTube boxing, it was quite entertaining as much as- - It was entertaining to watch us- - I paid for the pay-per-view 'cause I'm like, you know what? If I can make this a thing on YouTube,

- I paid for it because I'm just like, you know what? You are making entertainment. I fucking get that. I'm watching a clown fiesta and I'm watching to, I'm paying to watch the circus, but I'll pay to watch the circus, you know? - No, and I want more of this. I think this is great for YouTube and also for boxing, it did like wonders. And it was like, it's like the whole- - It's like the renaissance of boxing, right? - Well, I mean, for like the people in our age group. - For people who didn't care about it, right? - My dad loves boxing and my dad's age bracket love boxing.

They love it. But like, you know, under 30 and I think mid thirties, they don't give a shit about boxing. A lot of people don't. I mean, I'm sure there's a good segment of people who probably love boxing and MMA and all that. Yeah, but it wasn't like nearly as popular as it used to be with our age group at least. - Yeah, 'cause boxing was like, you know, some of the most classic moments in sports

- Boxing matches, like anything like Rumble in the Jungle, you know, anything with Muhammad Ali. - Iconic. - Fucking iconic to this day. And you know, I grew up in an era where I didn't even watch any boxing match, I don't think. I didn't watch boxing matches. - I don't think I've ever sat down and watched a boxing match in my life. - I would just, my dad loved watching it and he'd be like, "Man, this guy's fighting this guy for the world heavyweight." And I'm like, "Who are these two people?" - No, no, because if you're a kid and your parents went into it, then how the fuck can you afford to watch the pay-per-view?

- Yeah. - Right? Like there's no way you could watch it and it's always in American time. So it's always at like 3:00 AM, 4:00 AM. - And you had to pay for like Sky, which was already like 40 pounds a month. And you just pay an extra 20 pounds on top to get the pay-per-view. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was just, yeah, it was- - Crazy. - Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's like, what do you think about the whole, I don't know if this is changing gears too fast, but what do you think about the whole thing where everyone's like, man, they're ruining like boxing.

by bringing in these influences to it. 'Cause it's happened with chess as well. - By bringing in these like non-traditionalist like- - Where you bring in like, you know, you kind of, I guess the way they would argue is like you're diluting like the sport. - Right. - And making it like less. - I don't understand how putting more eyes onto a sport ruins it. - Yeah. - Because the whole point of keeping a sport alive is that a sport is kept alive by how many viewers watch it, you know?

- I mean, there's a side of it where I can understand. Like, you know, for chess, like at least, you know, what if you start at age 12, right? And then you're like, you're like 30 now, you're a grandmaster. You've literally been playing your whole life for chess, right? You're about to like, this is your time to shine. And then fucking PogChamps has like,

20, 30 times more viewers than anything you ever will get. I could understand why they're mad. - That just sounds like a villain protagonist to some sports anime. - Yes, I understand why you're mad. - A villain backstory to some sports anime, right? - It's super easy to understand why they would get mad. But then, it's like a YouTube video, right? If I make a YouTube video and I'm a small YouTuber,

about this Mike Wazowski figure. And then Garnt, who has a million, let's say Garnt has three million, right? And a YouTuber with 10,000 makes a video about Mike Wazowski. And Garnt pretty much does like nearly a one-for-one video, but in Garnt's style, right? Yes, that guy will be angry. He's like, Garnt just made my video, but to a bigger audience. He's gonna get all the views. What you're not seeing is a huge kick that you're gonna get a bunch of trickle-down views.

- Yeah, of course. - And that's what's gonna happen with all this stuff is that, yeah, you're not gonna see the immediate results of getting the trickle down effect from all these massive events with like normies, if you will. - Right, but I think the problem is that most of these like, quote unquote purists don't see it as a trickle down effect. They just see it as like sloppy seconds, right? - Well, yeah, they see it as like you're ruining the sanctity of my sport. - It's like, I wanted all the eyes to come to me first.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, it's, you know, again, more eyes, more sponsor money, it's all good. - Yeah, I mean, I think we talked about this like two weeks ago where you have to evolve with the times, right? And there's got, you have to have, you have to find a way to garner interest in your sports. - It's like keep up or get left behind. - Yeah, I mean, you know, sports like boxing and chess are lucky that they've been

they've had such a good history and a good legacy where that is like kind of carried them a bit in the modern age where they have like a solid fan base. But obviously, you know, if they want to modernize to a point where they want to get and bring in a bunch of new viewers, you got to mix it up. And chess is having like a massive renaissance now. - Yeah, I'm happy for chess. - Like chess streamers, the biggest ones are, Hikaru's pulling in like plus 25K, I think, a stream.

and a bunch of the other bigger ones pulling in like over 5K viewers on Twitch. - And it's not like, just because you're like pulling new viewers, I feel like that doesn't like dilute the history that has already been built up. Like people are still gonna look back to like the greats of the times once they get into it. - There's still the greats going on right now. People just don't like that they're not the ones that are solely being talked about. - I mean, I think one of the big things is that I think, I don't know, I might be talking out my ass, but it seems like,

like a lot of the younger generations are less, there's less of a focus on sports and more people are like getting into like video games and stuff like that. Like we literally talked about how my nephew got bullied because he wanted to play sports, but everyone was playing Fortnite. Whereas when I was growing up, - It was the other way around. - Yeah, it was the other way around. The cool kids were playing sport and that's why sports had such like so many eyes in it. And now I think because,

less kids might be interested in sports. You have to find a new way to appeal to a younger audience. Otherwise they're just not gonna give a shit at the end of the day. - This is gonna sound weird, but I think that video games are now more accessible than sports.

- Yeah, I would say so. - And I think that's why they're doing better. If you wanna play a game of rugby or football, you need what? At least five a side. You need a lot of people to get that done. - And a lot of space. - Yeah, a lot of space, right? Anyone can play a video game on their smartphone or whatever. Anyone can download chess. - Anyone can play Madden. - Yeah, it's like a lot of the sports, I love swimming, but finding a swimming pool in Japan is so hard.

- Yeah, without paying out the ass, right? - Yeah, and there's not one anywhere near us. And I don't fucking know where to go. - I mean, there's like gyms that have them, but you have to pay like 150 bucks a month to access them. - Yeah, most sports that I liked as a kid, I realized how lucky I was that there was like, in the UK you have so many sports centers all around where you can do this.

Now I'm like, fuck, it's so hard to do the sports that I wanna do and get into it. - Yeah, I wanna get back into sports. - And get like a newer generation into them. 'Cause it's like, I mean, I'm not being funny. How are you gonna convince a kid to go play golf when he can play Mario golf? It's so accessible, so easy. - And the problem is golf looks so boring. I'm sorry, but golf,

- There are some sports where I'm just like, I do not understand how people can watch this and be entertained because I've played golf before. 'Cause I used to live kind of near a driving range and it's just so I had a period where I just really enjoyed playing golf. It was really satisfying to smack the ball. Wasn't rich enough to afford my own golf club.

- Another barrier to entry. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's not a barrier to entry, but it's really fun to play golf. My God, it's so boring to watch. - I cannot watch a golf game. - I mean, I'm sure the people who are watching this, who love watching golf and I'm sorry to disappoint you. - But there's like, there's so many sports like that though. Like I used to play tennis like a lot, but I can not sit down and watch a tennis match. - Ooh, I don't know, I can. - Some games are so good though. - But they are long, they are long. - They are very long. - But I find it just so,

and interesting how like I myself love playing the sport and yet I can't bear to sit down and watch the sport. - Yeah. - Like you'd think if someone played the sport, they would be just as interested to watch it as well, right? Because they're already doing it. - The inverse is also true as well where I might like have no interest in playing the sport but I love watching it. - Oh yeah, but like that's more common I feel. - Yeah, like me with league. - Is that a sport? Ooh.

But yeah, I mean like for example, I don't know. There's always gonna be like massive sports like football. - Oh yeah, it's not gonna be here. - That's not gonna go away. That's like too deeply ingrained. But I feel like that's why the Olympics is so weird to me, right? Because you end up watching a load of these sports which you would in any other circumstances have no interest in watching, but it's the Olympics. Does anyone wanna watch like men's volleyball? Anyone?

- I never gave a shit about archery until I watched the Olympics. - There are a lot of sports that are interesting when you have them or you experienced them once every four years. And your country's kind of in the race, right? 'Cause you got a little, you got a horse to root for, right? But you know, I don't think archery week by week, Monday night archery, you know, like, you know, you gotta build storylines, you gotta build up characters. - The Olympics definitely opened my eyes to like some sports being,

- Handball, I never fucking saw handball before. - Oh my God, curling? - And curling as well. - I fucking love watching curling. - Curling's fun to watch. - I never thought I'd be into it, but I was like, this is hype as fuck. I don't know why. - Curling is like a Mario party game that actually got turned into a real sport. - It's like a mini game, but like every round is curling. - Literally like facts and they're like, let's just fucking make it real. - That's one sport I really wanna play, like try out. Is there like a sport that you've never done that you wanna try?

- Speed ice skating, looks so cool. The racing. There was- - That seems so dangerous. - I thought about that 'cause there was a, somebody who watches Trash Taste reached out to me on Twitter and I was like, 'cause they were verified and they're like 1000 followers. I'm like, what the fuck?

- And they were on like, yeah, they were a pro ice skater in like America, Canada. They're like, yeah, I love Trash Taste. And they were on the Olympic team. - Oh wow. - Oh wow. - Ice skating and they watch it. So I think ice skating is real cool. Real cool. Teach me. No, I love ice skating. I'd love to like go fast and do it, but I mean, it's too dangerous. - Yeah, it's dangerous as fuck. - I'll slam my face. - I'd have to like get past that mental barrier of just like, you know when you reach a certain speed and,

- Especially if you're not used to it, you have to get past that barrier of just like, I'm going a bit too fast now. If I fall, it's really gonna hurt. - You know what Olympic sport I want to exist, but will never exist is like, you know when you go to like round one here and you get the Zorb balls around you? - Oh yeah! - It's like football where you're wearing like the balls where you can run into each other. That'd be such a fun Olympic sport.

- Imagine 18 people on the field just fucking crashing into one another. - Honestly, if you ever come to Japan, come to round one, 'cause most round one have this. You're gonna see it on screen. - It's called a sportcha, right? - It's called a sportcha, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, so you're gonna see it on screen now. You can easily get access to this. - Yeah, they're everywhere. - In a lot of round ones in Japan. - Yeah, they're like BB gun shooting. - Yeah, yeah, it's surprisingly, 'cause I remember when

when we did it right in the fucking summer, which was a fucking stupid move. - Right after we had like the biggest bowl of curry. We were in the fucking Zorb bowl, just like rolling around. We're just like, oh, I'm gonna,

- I'm gonna throw up. - It's surprisingly tiring. - We should go back there, we haven't been there in so long. - Yeah, we should go back there. - It was surprisingly fucking tiring to do that though. - Oh yeah, yeah. - It looks really light to just run around. No, it's not. It is kind of like playing a Mario Party game, right? 'Cause it feels like, 'cause you're playing football, but it's got this really janky physics engine.

- It's like trying to drive a car in like cyberpunk or something like that. - A custom game mode. - It's like big head modes where you're just fucking top heavy. - It's literally gang beast control. - Fun as fuck. - I love that to be a sport.

- Are you guys gonna go watch any of the Olympic sports if it happens? - How the fuck do I apply? - No, well, no, supposedly now that like, I think it's been confirmed that they're not gonna bring any foreigners in, right? So, but you can go see it at the stadium, which means there's gonna be way more available seats for the actual Olympics. I kind of want to do it just because like- - Do you know how to get tickets?

I'm gonna look into it. - I have no idea. - Because like, if I can find it out, then I'd wanna go just to say I've been, right? - Yeah, the only time I've ever seen tickets available, the only way you could win it was by buying something from Panasonic and you get entered into a lottery. - Yeah. - Which of maybe you'll get the right to buy it. - That sounds like a very Japanese system. - That sounds like a Japanese thing to do. - I was like, I don't wanna buy.

- Panasonic. - I want a ticket to the Olympics. - Because this would be the second time that I've lived in a city where the Olympics is held. 'Cause I was there for London as well. - I wasn't there in London. - You weren't there in London? - I was in Wales at that time. - Oh yeah, so I was living in London at the time. And yeah, I mean, I...

- During the normal Olympics, things just like get super, super busy and I don't really like crowds that much anyway. So go like, I didn't wanna go through the hassle of going through to a sporting event. And I don't know, I didn't care enough about the sport for me to want to go to this big sporting event where I literally just said the Olympics is where you watch sports you normally don't care about, but you watch it 'cause it's the Olympics, right? So I don't even know what sports I would want to watch.

- Would you just wanna watch any sports? - To me it's more- - What if you watch a sport, but it's like a bad game. Like it's a bad matchup. It's like a stomp. It'd be like America versus like Venezuela and basketball. Like it's like, oh, I mean, yeah. - Obviously Venezuela is gonna crush. - No, I feel like, I don't know, with those kinds of stuff, I feel it's just, you go to just enjoy the atmosphere, you know? 'Cause like I remember- - I mean, have you been?

I've never been to the Olympics, but I- - So how would you know the atmosphere is good? - Well, because I mean, every other sporting event I've been to has been, 'cause like, I remember I went to go watch like- - But like Japanese atmosphere there in a crowd, they're not very rowdy, are they? - That's not true. I went to go see the baseball here and it was really, really fun. I mean, it was a shit game. - Really? What was fun about it? I say this having been to a baseball game in the US and I kind of found it a bit boring.

- That's a bit boring. - Oh really? - You don't love the kiss cam gone? What? - I feel, okay, this might be a bit biased 'cause I actually quite enjoy watching the baseball every now and then. - But I also don't enjoy cricket either. - I'm just making an enemy of like the US.

- Australia, India now, who else wanted to? - All the sports, they all suck. - No, well, 'cause like I remember I went to go watch a rugby game and it's like, I'm not huge into the rugby, but I- - Watching rugby games is fun though. - Yeah, on the TV. - Oh, and in person.

- Oh yeah, I went to go watch the rugby and it was a shit game 'cause our team got fucking destroyed. But I still had a really fun time just 'cause of the atmosphere. - Yeah, everyone's rowdy at rugby games. - Baseball was the same thing as well. My team was losing, but I didn't really give a fuck 'cause it was just, I don't know, it was just fun.

- Yeah, 'cause like how we had fun was just getting very, very drunk. It was in Milwaukee. - That's typically what you do. - And like everyone was just very drunk and it was just like, I don't know what the fuck's going on. I'm having a good time now though 'cause I'm pretty drunk. - Another Miller Lite, sir.

I was like, yes, I'll pay for another $8 hotdog. - Yes, this hotdog that is not meat, I'll have that. - Yeah, I don't know. I just like having an active component to my sports, I guess. How can I say this? I don't like when sports are stop starts. I like it to be like- - So you're not into like the NFL?

- Oh my God bro, watching NFL is hard. The amount of ads they have. - Yeah, but it's also very stop start heavy game. - But like, I feel like the NFL is like, I can get into the NFL because when the game is in motion, it's hard to find a sport as exciting

as the NFL when everything is in motion, right? - Gosh, winning over our American audience. - Like because there's so many things going on in such a short period of time. Whereas, you know, I look at something like cricket or baseball and there's only, you know, there's- - Yeah, it's very stop-start. - It's very stop-start and there's, you know, there's, I'm gonna sound like, I'm gonna sound so bad. It's just, I just see like a guy trying to hit a ball. - What do you prefer, American football or rugby?

- Ooh, it's hard. I think rugby. Overall, I prefer rugby, but I've had more exciting moments watching American football.

- I feel then you would really enjoy AFL. - What's AFL? - The Australian football. It's basically like NFL. - I didn't even know it's Australian. - If we're representing our own country, I have to talk about AFL 'cause someone's gonna talk about it. But AFL is basically like, it's Australian football, but think of NFL, but if it was just one continuous play that never stopped.

- Okay, that sounds pretty fun. - And it's like twice the field size as well. - Sounds exhausting. - It is fucking exhausting. AFL players are legitimate athletes. - How do they do that in Australia? - As opposed to like every other sport. - I think I saw something which is like in an average AFL game, a player can run upwards of like 20 kilometers. - Fuck. - And it's a two hour game.

- Fuck. - Oh my God. - And it split it a bit, but they split it. - I bet they made that game that long on how long Australians need to drink. - Yeah. - Probably. - Pretty much. - That's why AFL games are the best to watch at home. 'Cause like two hours of drinking, fuck it. - 30 minute recess, you know, it's perfect.

- Yeah. - No, but I think you'd really like, if you don't like the start stop aspect of NFL, I think you'd really like it. - 'Cause I do like a lot of sports where like there's a lot of things in motion, you know, love football, love watching basketball. - When I went to Canada, I loved watching the hockey.

- I think I could read again. - Hockey was fucking fun. - Yeah, yeah. - Hockey is really fun to watch. - It's so fast paced. - That's a sport where I think watching that like live would be super, super fun, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd love to watch that. - 'Cause like the atmosphere just sound, just looks super like super active. - And in the back of my head it's like, oh, this might turn into a fight.

- Exactly, right? - Sadly I've never lived anywhere where it's like a popular sport. So sad 'cause I want to. But every time when I went to Canada, I was like literally like, I was watching it all the time. It was so fun. - It's really fun. - I wanna go and watch one next time I go to Canada or America. But yeah, see I said something nice about America for once.

- I got an angry email that was like, they were like, the subject was please educate yourself on America. - Okay. - And it was saying like, you talk about America all the time, but you always get everything wrong and our culture totally incorrect. I should find it. I think I deleted it though, 'cause I was like, shut the fuck up. - Yeah, I don't, what about like the Sumo?

- Sumo, ooh. - 'Cause I really wanna go watch the Sumo. - I think that would be fun to watch. I don't watch enough Sumo to have an opinion or haven't tried to watch enough Sumo to have an opinion about it. - Did you know someone in my Twitch chat notified me that there's a Twitch channel that streams the Sumo. - Really? - Yeah, with English commentary. - Oh my God. - So like every now and then when it's on, I just kind of flick it on and leave it in the background while I'm working. 'Cause I'm just like, fuck, like don't even have to turn my TV on, it's on Twitch. It's fucking great.

- Have you ever like gotten into a sport or something because of a show you watched or an anime or something like that? 'Cause like the only reason I gave the NFL a chance was 'cause of fucking "I Shield" and I hate, I sound like such a weeb for saying this that I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna give an NFL, I'm gonna give the NFL a chance. - Mine's even worse. I got into tennis 'cause of "Prince of Tennis."

- I got into like cycling from Yomushipan. - Did you actually? - Yeah, dude, it's fucking hype. Okay, I found the email. All right. "Hey Connor, love the podcast, but if you could do me and the rest of American fans a favor, could you please stop throwing misconceptions around about us? Maybe educate yourself a little bit in how we do things here instead of believing the typical stereotypes."

- It's almost every podcast now you say something about America that's completely false. So only applies to 1% of us and it's just annoying. - Like what? - I don't know. I wish they gave examples. So I could be like, oh, okay, that's fair enough. - Yeah, so you can- - Are we wrong about things most of the time, Maylene?

- A lot of it's right. - A lot of it's right apparently. - Well, here's the problem with America, right? - Go on. - Okay, okay. - Go on. - Well, there's many problems, but okay. - So, so, right?

- Something that applies to one state does not apply to another state. 'Cause America is fucking huge. - It's so varied. - Like Maylene, do you not think of like, you feel very different to the other states, right? Like you don't feel like you have anything in common with people from like Florida, right? Yeah. So like someone from, like I can relate to someone from any part of the UK and I can understand everything. I understand how you live, everything's the same. But for like someone in like California, right? You can't possibly relate completely to someone from like Minnesota.

- No, no, it's totally different culture, totally different vibe. - Shut up, Meilyne.

Like there's so many, so many, cause it's so vast. There's so many different like microcultures and everything. - Yeah, like definitely like whenever I go visit Sidney's family in Milwaukee and Wisconsin, it's like, there's definitely a Midwestern culture that's- - Oh yeah. - Yeah. - From traveling the US you realize like how different they all view each other as like Americans. - Yeah, it's completely different. - It's really interesting. - Yeah. - So fuck you. I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

- He did say he was a big fan of the podcast though. - Have you guys seen any like obscure sport that you like that you've only, you only know about because it's been recommended on YouTube or something, but then like it actually looks pretty fucking hype. - There was one, I forgot what it was, but I think it's like an Indian sport or a Southeast Asian sport where it's volleyball, but you kick the ball. What the fuck is a call? - Wait, what? - I've seen this sport.

- Sepatakuro, that's it, yeah. Sepatakuro, it's like, it's literally just, think of volleyball, but like, you know how with volleyball, you pass it with your hands? - Yeah. - But instead of your hands, you kick it? - It's not just football tennis. - Kinda. - Don't say that, Garnt.

- Every sip I'm talking to all the players like how dare you? How dare you ruin the sanctity of our sport? - That sounds good. Like have you seen stuff like professional tag and stuff like really obscure- - Yeah professional tag is fucking awesome. Like Vox did a video about how it came to be as well. - How did they come to be? - Just a guy who was like really obsessed with the idea of making like tag courses just kept like building them and people were like, yeah, this is pretty fun actually. - You know what's one obscure sport I really enjoy watching? Ultimate Frisbee.

- Yeah, ultimate. - That's a really fucking- - That's really fun. - Well, in the US I think it's quite popular 'cause like Marcus Brownlee plays it. - Oh really? - Yeah, he plays it. - Is it an Olympic sport? It's not, is it? - No, no. - It's not an Olympic sport. - He mentioned it quite a lot though in his videos.

- He shared videos of him playing it. - Yeah. - I guess outside of America, it's not really like a thing. I mean, I remember we played it for like sports once for school and it was really fun. - Yeah, I mean, we played it in school as well. So it was definitely a thing, but it was more seen of just as just- - It sounds like the most college sport ever. - Yeah.

You know what I mean? - I have the luxury of being able to play ultimate frisbee. - Ultimate frisbee. - It's the ultimate, it's the ultimate that like... - Yeah, why ultimate? - We don't have ultimate football. - What if they called it like epic frisbee?

- I'd be playing it right now. - We'd like to join our epic Frisbee team. - That's the kind of sports you'd think you'd see on Twitch or something, right? - Epic Frisbee. - I could see ultimate Frisbee on Twitch. Why not? That'd be fucking awesome. - Like POV.

- POV, you're a Frisbee. - POV, you're an ultimate Frisbee player. - I feel like Twitch would be the perfect platform for a lot of these more obscure sports. Like professional arm wrestling as well. Have you seen that? That's like the most dude bro sport I've ever seen. - It's like the slapping. - Slapping. - Slapping, which most critical love to commentate on.

- Like what I love about watching professional arm wrestling is that like they're egging each other on to do better, right? It's almost like a gym session where it's like, you got this bro. No, no, you got this bro.

- You know what the best one is? I've decided this is the best one. The best sport you've seen on the internet three times, forget about, but remember it's badass. It's the like sumo, but with the like robot wars. - Oh yeah. - The robots? Like sumo, it's a sumo ring with like, where they have like mini robots and they have to push each other out. And it's from where the Omai Omoshin there is. Like that really popular edit where it like, it's such a good video. Play a GIF of me down there.

- Yeah, it's like the, what was that show? - It's in Japan. - Robot Wars. - No, but America did a version of it. - Battle Boss, that's it. - I think that clip is from a Japanese. - It's from the Japanese one. - Where they do it with miniature ones 'cause the BattleBots and Robot Wars in the UK were like fucking giant robots. - But these ones are like tabletop robots. - Yeah, it's not meant to destroy. It's supposed to push the other thing out.

- That's pretty cool. - There's nothing getting destroyed. I am not interested. - My man monkey brain not happy, no destruction. - I mean, I kind of miss "Robot Wars." I don't know when it got canceled. Is it still a thing? It's probably not still a thing. - I don't think BattleBots is still a thing either. Maylene, check that up. - Yeah, it's one of the few things we had growing up that made engineering look cool.

'Cause it's really hard to make engineering look cool. But you see these like mechanics- - That would be like a really cool way to teach engineering coding and like an all in one thing. Get them to make just a little thing fucking move around a little bit. Like why not teach them? - The one thing I loved about BattleBots though was just like, just the fluctuation between like the different people

who clearly had completely different skills in engineering. Like one robot was like, this robot is an automated arm that can grab and pick up robots. And then there's another dude's like the challenger comes in. It's like, I attach 60 knives onto this boy. And the only function he can do is go forwards and backwards. - It's a chainsaw on wheels. That's literally it. - It was so funny.

- And you see like some like piddly robots that had like the most depressing flipper of all time. Like couldn't even flip my grandma. And then it goes up against like fucking hypno disc or something and just gets absolutely destroyed. - Half of them like don't even move like in practice. So it's just like, it's just the doorstopper on wheels.

- And then like, I don't know if BattleBots had this, but the UK one had this where like the show runners had their own like OPS robots. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That were just like, when nothing was happening, they'd be like, send out Charles or something. - Send out Sir Killalot. - Yeah, and then like this just fucking

- Massive, clearly like absolutely God tier engineering robot came out. - Created by NASA. - Just started like gorilla smashing them around and it's like, oh, that's kind of anticlimactic. - BattleBots was supposed to come back in 2020, but it's postponed. - Oh wow. - BattleBots coming back. - BattleBots coming back. - When did BattleBots end?

- So wow, 2000s at end, it's coming back soon. - I'm just getting reminded of all like these old television shows I used to watch as a kid now. Do you remember Gladiators? Was that part of- - That's very, very old. - That's very, very, that's like 90s. - That sounds really familiar. What is that? - It's basically like, how can I- - Very much inspired like the whole like kind of sporty-esque, like really intense physical sports. - Yeah, it was kind of like, instead of like, what's, what are you doing?

what are like the shows that like four guys and stuff is based around? - Wipeout. - Wipeout. So instead of like going against an obstacle course, you'd have an obstacle course, but then you'd be competing against a gladiator, which was like this kind of like really fit muscular person. And there would be this competitive element where you'd have to beat this person on this obstacle course, something like that. - Or you'd have to just like literally fight them.

- Yeah. That's the final part. - Basically. - You get to the end, he's just standing there.

- I mean, the best way I can describe it, it's basically something very, it's like wipeouts with wrestling, basically. - So it's like real time, like you're fighting, or not fighting, but like competing with the gladiators. - I think there was one event in it where like you both had like the long poles with like cushions on the end and you fucking have to smack each other off. - Basically just like giant cotton pads.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. - They try to push each other off the platform. - Yeah, I remember that. - I know that sure is old, 'cause I think when I was watching that very early 2000s, everyone was wearing latex and spandex, and I'm like, oh, yeah. - I'm pretty sure all that's just taken from Takeshi's Castle, right? - Yeah, what was the other one? The Japanese one, it's called like, I think it's called like Ultimate Banzuki or something.

- Oh, yeah. - You've never heard of that one? - Yeah, I think so. - Well, like literally they will do, this show is so fun. You should watch clips on YouTube. It's really fucking cool. So what they would do is, right, is that they would have like someone, either they would be a generic thing or they'd have an expert. So they bring on like 10 expert pogo people and they would build like a fucking impossible pogo obstacle course. - Right. - And they would have to do it. And like the shit they would do is insane. - Yeah. - And it was always, it wasn't just general people. It was like, no, they get professionals.

And there'd be people who like, they'd have to be, they bring people who are professionals like handstands and they'd have to do a whole course handstand walking around, like going upstairs, going on wobbly. - Yeah, I've definitely seen that. - It's really fucking cool. You should watch this, just type it in. I think it's after. - Ultimate Bums again, right? I think it's called something like that. Yeah. - And like the stuff they'd have to do was crazy. Like they had that, you know that Mario party game where you have to like, there's like seven things stacked and you have to like have a hammer and hit it.

- Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - They had a game where two people had to do that and they had to like get it, they had to hit them all out. - Right. - But obviously when you hit it, it would like tip the thing over. It was really cool to watch. - That's based off like a traditional Japanese like toy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was really cool. - What's like the best concept of like a reality TV program that you've seen?

like physical, like game show challenge. - Anything. - I like Ninja Warrior. - You like Ninja Warrior? - The Japanese original one. - Sasuke. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That was really good. - There was this really old reality TV show that Channel 4 made

I can't remember the name 'cause it was like a one-off series, right? But I always remember it because I thought the concept was genius because what they did is this was way back when Big Brother was like a massive thing. But the twist was they took these group of people, right?

that weren't exactly the brightest bunch of people, but wanted to be on a reality TV show. And they basically convinced them that they were gonna go to space, right? - Oh, I think I remember this.

- I remember this. - So what happens is they literally go, they literally like take them astronaut training, right? And make them go through all the training, but also feed them like a bit of fake information, right? Because they had this real mock spaceship and they taught them that, you know, we are using new technology where it doesn't require rockets. It's kind of like an airplane where like slowly circles up to the Earth's atmosphere.

- These guys would believe it, right? And they thought they were like being trained in Russia. - What was the name of the show? - I can't remember. I'm gonna have to look it up because it was a genius show. And like at any point, if like at any point one of them could have found out, right? 'Cause the producers said, you know, you're gonna be trained in Russia. It's not gonna be in England. And what happened is they just took them on a plane and just like circled round and just landed in like a abandoned airfield in Surrey or something like that.

So they were just like in the middle of England thinking they were going to space. And they actually took some of these people and just, have you ever been on like one of those fake rollercoaster rides where it's like, it's kind of like- - Like the 4D ones? - Yeah, like the 4D ones where you just kind of like have this spaceship that just kind of turns around. - It's called Space Cadets.

- Yeah, it aired in 2005 on Channel 4. - Yeah, yeah. - Channel 4 normally does all the really bizarre, really unique game shows. - Right, right. - If you got some time you wanna kill, that's honestly, it was such a good concept and it was a one-off as well, one-off season. It was just- - That's hilarious. - It was fucking hilarious. Highly recommend it. - Yeah, the first thing that comes up when you Google it is controversies.

- That's been quite controversial. - I guess so. - I wanna watch that now. - Yeah, that sounds really funny. - Yeah, the UK has some really unique game shows. - What was that one? - The hunted one. - Yeah, the hunted one, right? - The hunted one was cool. Basically there was a game show in the UK. I think it was literally called hunted.

they would have like, I think six pairs or 10 pairs, something around that. And basically what they would do is they were like, all right, you have like one day and then we're gonna start trying to like track you as if you're a fugitive. - Right, right, right. - So like any of your, if you use your phone, if you use your phone, if you do anything, you make calls, you go to places, like they'll find you.

And so some people were really good at it and some people were terrible at it. And like, yeah. And then they had to survive two weeks. - Yeah, two weeks. - Two weeks and then go to a location to get like a plane to like to escape. - Right, right, right. - And yeah, one team did win. - That sounds really fun. - It was really cool. It was really popular the first season and the second season I think was a bit shitter and didn't do so well. - I feel that's a concept like at first that would be like, wow, that's cool. But then I feel it get old quite fast.

- Yeah, because there's only so much you can do once you know the formula and once you know the secrets. - Just something like the logistics behind that must have been like crazy. Like I wonder how much of that was faked though as well because you surely can't have access to all the like

the police forces like ability, right? 'Cause it's just a waste of police time and services, right? - That's just a lot of government money. - Hold on, wait, we gotta find the fake one. You know what I mean? I wonder. But in a concept, really cool. - Yeah. - Was that on Channel 4 as well? - That was on Channel 4 as well. - Channel 4 makes some good like one-off reality TV shows. - I'm surprised I've never heard of any of these. - Yeah, Channel 4 makes really good TV shows in general.

- Yeah, like some of my favorite are definitely like some of the Darren Brown specials. I don't know how famous Darren Brown is outside of the UK. - Right now I'm probably not so much. You've never heard Darren Brown? Oh my God. Some of the shit this man did was crazy. So his favorite thing that he's ever done. So Darren Brown is a magician from the UK. - He's a magician that basically like- - He's a hypnotist as well. - Sorry?

- Hypnotist as well? - I can't remember exactly what he calls himself, but he's more like a mental magician. - Mentalist? - Not even like, something about the word mentalist just makes it sound fake. - This man is just one of a kind. - Yeah, yeah. He's a showman. He says like, everything I do is like,

it's like not so much that it's fake, but like it's, there is like magic involved. He doesn't claim to be have special powers or something like that. He just claims to understand psychology and plays on that, right? - Yeah, so there's this one TV show that he did and it is literally my favorite and it's so big brain, this whole thing. So I'll spoil the end of it. So I'll warn you I'm gonna do that, but I'll spoil it for you because it's, but it's still cool either way if you watch it. So what happens is this TV show starts and you're following this perspective of this one woman.

- This one's so good. So basically what happens is that, so the show is that he, basically he knows which horse is gonna win in these horse races. - So the exact name of the special is called The System. So the way he markets it is that he has a system that can 100% predict which horse is going to win in a horse race. - And so it's like this middle-aged woman and we follow her, he calls her up, he's like, "Listen, bet on this horse, go now."

So she goes and she bets on it and the cameras are following her. She bets on it, she wins. And it's like, oh shit, okay. And then he rings her up again. He's like, right now, put all of your money on this horse now, then like a week later. And she puts all the money on it, she wins again. It's like, what the fuck is, how is he doing this? This is legit, like, this is a fully legitimate, it's like a public gambling that anyone can bet on. - It's a real horse race. - Yeah, he gives them the money, doesn't he? He gives them a thousand pounds, right?

- I can't remember, it's been a while, but I do, no, I don't think he gives them any money. - Does he not? Well, so anyway, she wins and then it happens again. And he's like, all right, now bet again, all the money on this horse. She does it again and she wins. And I think it's one more time, he's like, all right, now,

this is the final one, bet all of your money on this again and she wins. And you're like, what the fuck is going on? He's literally guessing. And then he reveals, right? And as the episode ends that like, he's literally done like a tournament bracket of like every single race there's nine horses. So every single race he's literally

found nine people and told them to bet on the different horses. And he's literally gone through and done like a giant, like hundreds of races. - So it's like a pyramid. So like at the beginning he started with like thousands of thousands of contestants. And he said, you know, I, you know, he didn't reveal who his identity was. He was just like an anonymous tip.

And so, you know, part of like certain amount of people won, they got eliminated. He gave them a refund and then it went up to the next bracket. And then he kept, he basically kept,

enough of a group of people to make sure that was at least one person. - And it's so simple. - That's so cool. - But when you're following this story and her perspective, it seems like literal magic. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Because all he was trying, the message he was trying to say was like, don't forget about perspective. Just because you are winning doesn't mean that like,

That doesn't mean like there's a magical system or something like that. It's all to do with probability. - That sounds right up my alley. - Dude, he's literally a fucking genius. His shows are amazing. And like he did one where he's done so many crazy shows. - I think one of my favorite ones is like the ones where he actually faked a zombie apocalypse, right? - Oh, that sounds familiar. I might've seen that.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So basically he takes this one guy, right? So how he gets people on his specials is that people apply to be on his specials, right? But he doesn't tell anyone that they've succeeded. He doesn't tell anyone that they've succeeded. So he gets thousands and thousands of applicants and he chooses one out of everyone. So he takes this guy and he puts, he basically hypnotized him so he like passes out and he wakes up in this like abandoned hospital or something.

And it's basically just this guy going through a zombie apocalypse. - It's like the Truman Show, right? 'Cause they get everyone around him to act. - Right, right. - They go along as if there's a zombie apocalypse. - Yeah, yeah. - And so this guy literally believes that there's a zombie apocalypse. - I think this is on Netflix as well. So you can actually watch this on Netflix. - Yeah, and there's another one where he sees if he can convince someone to commit murder.

- Jesus. - Like fake murder. - Right, right, right. - He sets up the situation. That one's not as good as the other ones, but like they all vary in quality, but you're definitely gonna have an experience. You definitely can't find anything like it anywhere else. - What's the name of the show again? - Just type in Darren Brown. - Darren, Darren, Darren Brown. - Darren Brown. - D-E-R-R-E-N. But he's done a lot of stuff. - His live shows are really popular as well. - I've been to his live shows actually. - Oh really? - It's really good. - There's like a lot of psychology things. He basically like manipulates like perception. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's really just interesting stuff. - Yeah, it gives you a lot of perspective. And he goes in saying, "All of this is just magic." - No, none of this is magic, right? - Sorry? - You said all of this is magic. - No, no. - So I'm just a fucking magician. You guys know me, Hogwarts diploma right here. - Disney logo. - 'Cause like watching his stuff, he doesn't pretend to be,

He doesn't pretend like he has powers or something like that. It's all showmanship. - That's how the British people like it. - Yeah, exactly. - But that's my favorite type of musician. Not musician, magician. Like a fucking, what are the, what's the- - David Blaine? - No, not David Blaine.

That's what I like about Penn and tell her. Cause they just like, we're not fucking magicians. We're just good at what we do. It's just all slight of hand shit. You know, unlike, you know, fucking like Chris angel. It's like, he was like, yes, I am the second coming of Christ. - I'm literally fucking dying. I literally die.

- Every now and then I love going back and watching like Criss Angel clips on YouTube. Just because like, I remember back in the day when I watched like Criss Angel being like, yeah, I split this woman in half. And I was just like, oh my God, this man is an, he's actually a magician. - This man is insane. - He's like, yes, I'm walking on water. And it's totally not just like see-through fucking plastic boards on the pool.

- Were you around when David Blaine did that stunt in London where he was like- - Stayed in the cage? - Yeah, stayed in the cage or something for like, how long did he stay in there for? - A month, wasn't it? - Yeah, it was a long time. - It was like a month without any food or something.

And I remember just thinking there were so many moments during that month where he just got fucking shit on by all like the fucking chavs and everything in London, right? It felt so bad. 'Cause like it was back in the time when, you know, England had this nice prim and proper image to Americans especially. And you just had like these fucking people, like these Londoners who were just chucking paint balls at him and shit like this. It felt so bad.

- Chaps and London are a different breed, man. Man, just like, as well, like when I saw that, he's like staying in there for 30 days. I'm like, why? Why? Like, is the record really worth it? Like, I get it, like the stunt, but like, is this fun? - I mean, I guess the fact that we're still talking about it to this day is worth it, right? - True. I guess that's the point, right? Like I just,

I didn't lose a month of my life to get a bit of clout. - To be talked about. - He's the ultimate clout chaser. I'm kidding, I'm kidding. This shit's very impressive. He could probably kill you with magic for all I know. - Kill you? - Make a frog come out of my ass. - Shitting out frogs. - Have you seen his Ted talk?

- No, it's a good one. - He had a TED talk like breaking down how he did one of his stunts, which was like how he stayed underwater and like broke the world record. - Yeah, that was pretty cool. I think I watched it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like he was going through the process of like they tried a lot of different things. Like they tried stuffing like,

like an airbag into his stomach to give him like a breathing tube. And that just- - Is that cheating? - Yeah, that just ended up- - No, it's magic. - That just ended up horribly. And then they just kind of like tried a lot of different ways to see if this was possible. And then they just, like the conclusion they came to was just,

let's just fucking do it properly. So yeah, yeah. - Let's just train. - Yeah, let's just almost drown myself and that's basically what he did. And it's just like, man, this man has just monetized being fucking mental, right? - Yeah. - It's gotta be like it. - He's a true mentalist. - Let's just go back to the tape.

- It's respectable that he did that and he achieved that. Like all the credit to him, but my God, you must, it's the magic of willpower. - It's the fucking craziest people that do like the fucking like most absurd shit that like, you know, you have to be a little bit crazy to be a genius. I think, you know what I mean? Like that, I think there has to be a little bit more, right? - I mean, what was that quote again? It's like,

a genius is just an insane person with an audience. - Is it really? - I don't know who said that quote, but it's a quote. - I just, my God, yeah. I don't know. It's like going back to the caving stuff we spoke a few weeks ago. It's like, there's gotta be some dopamine deficiency going on here that requires you to like, need to like, I'm like, I have a good meal and I'm like, damn, that dopamine hit was good.

Someone has like a 7-Eleven like, "No, I gotta fucking climb the building instead. I gotta climb the 7-Eleven and get a hit." You're like, "What's going on?" - What's Fear Factor? - Oh, Fear Fact, yeah, I mean, Fear Factor is- - Didn't that have a lot of controversy, Fear Factor?

- I mean, I've seen- - 'Cause it's like, yeah, Joe Rogan did it, right? 'Cause it's either like, you can eat your own shit or drink your own piss. - It's not even that bad though. It's like, I remember, I think I saw one episode or one season where like the final gross or whatever the fuck it was called. It was like the worst meal was, it was a bullet.

- It was what? - It was Bulut, which is like the duck fetus that they eat in Philippines. And it's like, I remember 'cause when I went to the Philippines for the first time, Aki was like, "Do you wanna try Bulut?" I'm like, "The fuck's that?" He's like, "It's a duck fetus." It was the worst thing they had on Fear Factor. And I ate it, I'm like, "People on Fear Factor are fucking pussies."

- Get Joey on Fairfax. - There's something weird about the fact of being like- - I'm like, this is delicious. What do you want about? - I can just imagine, right? Someone went to the Philippines, right? And then someone really politely is like, "Yo, this is our culture. This is what we eat." And he's just looking and he's like,

"I can't wait to put this on Fear Factor. "People are gonna eat this." - It's so weird about that, isn't it? - I understand like eating a cockroach or something, right? Where it's like- - Something that shouldn't be eaten. - Something that shouldn't be eaten. - It isn't really widely eaten by any culture. I kind of like, I get it, right? - And then this taking like an obscure food from like a cultural background, right? And it's like, "This is disgusting, isn't it?" - "Look how vile this is. "Someone's gonna eat this shit." - "Someone's gonna eat this shit." Meanwhile, everyone in the Philippines is like,

- Philippine audience is like Mike Rizal. - It's either McDonald's or this. - Bro, we're gonna waste that pollute like that? - Oh my God. - I don't know man, I'm Thai and Thai people eat water bugs and I don't stand by that shit. I still haven't forgotten, Meilyne. I still have not forgotten. - Yeah, but you're not gonna like go and be like, "Mom, can I take some water bugs back? I'm filming Fear Factor." - Yeah, right? - This is crazy.

- Nobody eats this. - Sarah has a choice between jumping off a bridge or eating a bug. She chose to jump off a bridge. - What is "Fear Factor?" I've never watched it. - Yeah, isn't it like you get two choices? No, am I crazy? - Was it two choices? - I don't fucking give a shit. - I think it's just a show where it's like contestants basically line up and being like,

- I'm gonna get shit after this.

- Okay, now the email is warranted. I'll give you that. All right, now, okay, fair enough. - You know what I mean with that kid who's just like on a vein popping out? It's like, Connor, when he hasn't shit on America for 30 minutes.

- Hey, I think it's fair fucking game. I don't see me fucking emailing Americans being like, "Stop making British memes. I don't say the word H, shut the fuck up. Be a little bitch and take your shit." We all get mocked, okay? It's 2021. - But yeah, fair fact, I completely, yeah, anyway, like- - Spinach or carrots.

- Who the fuck eats celery? - Celery without hummus. - So fucking Americans, I don't actually believe this. I'm joking. This is a joke. This is a bit. - Eat the celery or take the hummus and go home.

- No, but basically it's like, you have to do something gross or eat something gross. And if you decide to do it, then you move on to the next round. If you don't decide to do it, then you get kicked off. And basically each step, it just gets worse and worse and worse. I don't know, I might be talking out of my ass. This is how I remember it. - What the fuck is wrong with us? We're one of the watch people do fucking stupid shit like this.

- I don't know. It's entertaining. - Actually, I had another flashback to another Darren Brown special. He did another special as well, which is great, where the audience get to choose whether something bad happened to the guy or something good happened to the guy. So they would follow a guy in his daily life. He obviously signed a contract. And literally the audience every single time chose bad things that happened to him.

And like one of them was like, his family gets Christmas presents early or he gets fucking kidnapped. And he literally got kidnapped because the audience wanted to see him get kidnapped. We're fucked up. We are fucked up. - Do you know what the most fucked up thing about that special was? So the special basically ends right with, you know, the audience shows a baby

a bad thing happening, like he got kidnapped or something. And then I think as they were trying to kidnap him, he got into a car crash. Now the car crash was staged. The audience didn't know this, right? The car crash was staged. And so the audience see him get hit by a car.

And then it stages like this unplanned thing. Darren Brown just walks off and then you're just left seeing like the audience kind of like- - Really uncomfortable. - Like what's going on? And like one of the audience members going like, "Excuse me, you're not being funny, but like-"

- It's not our fault, is it? - Yeah, I can't remember exactly what she says, but she's like, "Excuse me, this isn't funny. "Can you tell us what's going on? "Why would you make him go through this?" And it's like the lack of self-awareness and self-irony that you literally came on a TV show. - They kept voting. - And kept voting for bad things to happen. And then something bad thing happened that wasn't scripted, but because it wasn't scripted, suddenly it's a serious matter, right?

- Yeah, it was like really interesting 'cause it was basically just like you as the audience does not care about who is on screen. You just wanna see bad things happen. These are people. It was really good. - Because you know it's stage. - Well, 'cause it's what you think, right? You think it's all fake or like, or you don't care. - It was a message about like anonymity within like

I don't know, what's the word I'm looking for? - Hive mind? - Yeah, like the hive mindset, right? Where if you have anonymity, responsibility is kind of like taken off you and you're willing to do things that you might not do if you were the one responsible. - I'm pretty sure I saw like at least four like Black Mirror episodes that were like that.

- Yeah. - But Black Mirror sucks now. - Yeah, it sucks now. - Oh my God, it sucks so much. - That went downhill real fast. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Is there anything else you guys wanna bring up or? - No, watch Darren Brown, I guess. This has been a really strange episode. We talked about so many things. We sped run through stuff today. Watch Darren Brown, that's all you gotta think about. - Honestly, like- - I need to. You guys have sold me on it. - Out of every British, like, you know, I like to show Sydney some British TV shows because I feel like British TV shows, people only know like fucking "Doctor Who"

and maybe Top Gear, you know? And I'm just like, you know, British TV shows, they have some good TV shows. And I think Darren Brown is one of the best examples you can get from just quality TV shows coming out from England. - I mean, you guys have convinced me, so that's what I'm gonna do. - I don't, how can you not hit any of that and be like, yeah, I'm not interested. Like, you know what I mean? It's so interesting. - 'Cause the thing about British TV shows is that they, like, he would make one special a year.

- At most, at most. So they'd obviously been like dwelling on this idea for like a long time. So like some ideas are better than others, but there's no idea that you hear about and you think that's not interesting at all. - Yeah, 'cause isn't his one special where he teaches old people to like rob an art gallery. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was one as well. Yeah, that's good, you should watch that. - Yeah, I'm definitely watching it. - It was good. - That was a good one. - I can do that or go watch another episode of "Don't Tell the Bride."

- That's what it was called. - That's what it's called. - We figured it out. - We didn't know what it's called. The show is over now. - And it's all come full circle. - I figured it out. - Don't tell the bride. - Don't tell the bride. That's what it's called. - That's what it was. I was thinking like 3000 pound marriage or something like that. Yeah, in the UK it was 3000. No, it was 3000 pounds.

- I think it was 10,000. - I don't know, but the episodes are coming out. - Yeah. - Trash Taste episodes are over. - Yeah. Hey, look at all these patrons though. - Yeah, look at all these patrons. - They're pretty cool. - Before we end the episode, I'm gonna find out how much money it was now. - Okay. - All right. - You do that. But thank you to all our patrons and Joey, do the shout out thing. - Okay, in the meantime, if you wanna support the show, then make sure to go over to patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us your memes on the subreddit, and if you hate our faces, go listen to us on Spotify. Have you found out what it was yet? I blitzed through that shit. - It says,

- Oh yeah, they were giving 12,000 pounds. - Ooh, okay. - So a bit more than I thought. - Big boy money. - That sounds about right actually. - That's actually a pretty decent. - I knew it was a division of three. - That's a decent budget that is. - That's not bad. - You can get away with quite a bit for that. - This was like the TV episode then. We didn't even intend for it to be. - No, it just kind of like, yeah. - That's every Trash Taste episode, isn't it? - Well, we got to talk about trash TV. I'm happy. - Oh, Trash Tasting TV. - Oh, that's the title.

- Didn't get to talk about my hatred of Love Island, but you know, whatever. - It's shit, Connor. What am I gonna say? It's garbage. - Why is everyone watching it then, Connor? Why is it? - Save it for the next episode. - All right, see you guys. Have a good one. Bye. - Bye. - Bye. - Hardy Fiber Cement Siding handles conditions that can cause damage to vinyl. From fire to hail, Hardy Siding stands tall through it all. Helping trade professionals look their best when they recommend Hardy Siding and Trim. See the proof at jameshardy.com.