Sitting with a Real Japanese Anime Voice Actor (ft. Shuu Uchida) | Trash Taste #58
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Hello and welcome to another episode of Trash Taste. I am the host for today, Gant, and with me are, as usual, the boys. And as you can see, I am not alone on this side. I am reclaiming the host chair as we have a guest on. Would you like to introduce yourself to the crowd? Yes. Hi, my name is Shu Uchida and I am a voice actor in Japan. Hey guys. Oh my god.

- You're not just any voice actor though. - Yeah. - You're best mate. - Anime voice actor. - Anime voice actor. - Yeah, anime voice actor. - 'Cause we're an anime podcast, as the viewership knows. - Yeah, of course. - Yeah. - You know the 5% of time we talk about anime? - This is one of those 5%. - Yeah, exactly. - Actually, yeah, I think this might be the official, well, first of all, you're the official first guest on the new set.

- We're not counting Chris. - Thank you. - Chris ain't a guest anymore. This is the first real guest episode of the new studio. - First real guest. But also, I think people have pointed out in your accent, or figured out from your accent, that you're Australian. - Yes, I am Australian.

- And you're Australian too, right? - And I literally went to school with you. - Yeah, that's, it's so weird. - Yeah, so to explain off screen, we just found out that these two went to the same kind of school together and they know each other as like childhood friends or something like that. Do you guys wanna explain that? What happened with that?

The Japanese community in Australia, the parents there send their kids to this thing called Saturday school. So we have school on Saturdays from around 10 to 1 p.m. And then, yeah, we were in different classes because you were in a higher grade than I was. Yeah, I'm two years older than you. Yeah, yeah. But I was in the same class as her older sister for about...

seven years or something. And again, because the school is so small, 'cause the community is so small, you naturally hang out with kids who are younger than you and older than you. So yeah, I would see Shu in the playground and stuff. - It's like the meme where every Asian knows each other, but it's actually true. - In Australia. - In Australia, every Japanese person knows each other.

- Yeah, so not only did I go to, I was in the same class as her sister, but we used to hang out, not too often though. - Yeah, not too often. - But we had so many mutual friends that I think it's just naturally we knew each other. - Okay. - Yeah, so, and now she's an anime voice actress. - And now you both work in the anime industry. - Yeah, it's so weird. - It's so good.

- I gotta ask, in this Japanese community, were there many people who wanted to work in the anime industry? 'Cause you know how it is with the weeb culture. You see an anime fan and they're like, "Oh, I wanna work in anime." You're like, "All right, weeb, all right."

- Right. But like, what was it like for like the Japanese community? - I don't know. I mean, I think at that point I wasn't even really thinking about that at all. - Too busy enjoying the weeb life. - I was too busy enjoying the weeb life. - Getting involved. - Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I don't know. 'Cause I think even back then, like I knew I always wanted to like live and work in Japan, but I think like the whole like anime industry side of things was just kind of like a drag.

- Yeah, it's so mystical. No one knows anything about it. - Well, that's the thing, right? It's like, I wouldn't like back then I was like, how do you even like begin to try and get into an industry like that? So it's like, you know, if I end up working in it, it's like cool. But like, it wasn't like I was chasing the wee dream. It's like, I'm definitely gonna like,

work for Kyoto Animation when I'm older, work for Studio Trigger when I'm older. - I was on that hustle since age 10. - I was on that hustle to get in the anime industry. - I was a sucker of crying. - Well, it's like, no, but I mean, I don't know. Did you know anybody? What was it like for you? Did you always want us to become an anime voice actress or whatever? - Well, for me, I was like opposite to you and I was like, I really wanna become a voice actor and I'm gonna become

And so, but I

around me who wanted to become like you know someone who was in the anime industry so like for me it was just me like yeah come to japan to get into this industry i think the majority of like the people at our saturday school weren't even really like thinking to be in japan yeah yeah because like even to this day like most of my japanese friends from that saturday school most of them still live in sydney and they're just like yeah normal english speaking everyday job kind of thing so it's like

- Yeah, I think Shu and I are the weird ones. - I already hear the word Saturday school and I'm like, you guys are crazy.

- My God, five days of school was enough for me. One more day in the weekend, nah. Mother, mother, I am not attending another school day, okay? - I fought like hell to get out of Sunday school. It was my biggest battle of life. - I mean, to be fair, I personally didn't even see it as a school. For me, it was more just like a hangout to hang out with all my Japanese friends. - They fucking tricked you. They sold you another day of school.

- I mean, like again, like it's not like I didn't learn anything, right? Like obviously, especially when you get to, 'cause the school we had, it started from kindergarten. So like what you're like four or five years old all the way up until ninth grade. - You were brainwashed. - I'm just hearing indoctrination here. - Get them all they're young, build a habit and they'll just, they'll love it. They'll learn to love it. - They'll love it.

- It's like what Stockholm syndrome. - I think obviously the viewers are probably wondering what are some shows that you voiced in? 'Cause that's probably gonna be the first thing they wanna know. - Oh yeah. - Probably should mention that and then we could chat. - And then we can go. - Yeah, I voiced Mia Taylor from Love Live School Idol Festival All Stars.

I also voice Warspite, Ark Royal, Perth, Mikura and Gambia Bay from Kankore. Kantai Collection Kankore. That's a big collection right there. I also voice Fujiwara-san from Asobi Asobase. Yeah. Right.

- Yeah, a lot more. I'm like, I'm in like Doraemon and- - You're in Doraemon? - Yeah. - I think that's the true weeb dream. Where it's like you're in a show that is literally shaped your childhood. - Yeah, yeah. I'm also in like Xinjiang. - Oh really? - You're in Xinjiang? - Just a bit, yeah, yeah, sometimes. - That's so cool. - I'm gonna scream. - Like I mostly do like dogs and cats. - Hey, you're in, you're in, you're in, come with it, come with it. - But yeah, yeah, I'm in like-

like anime and games and stuff like that. - That's so cool. - Yeah. - I feel like you're downplaying it. You should be like, I am in anime and games. - That's not a thing most people can say. - I don't think you realize the literal hundreds and thousands of people who watch our show who only dream to be in your position. - Exactly. You are an actual real anime voice actress. That's like most people dream to be that. You fucking managed to achieve it. So congratulations. - I'm an anime, no, I'm a voice actor.

- I am an anime. - I just want to point out, 'cause I know the viewers are gonna point out as well, how comically large I look sitting next to you. 'Cause I'm seeing myself on screen and I'm like, if you thought you just tuned into the newest season of Attack on Titan, I assure you, this is trash taste. - It's literally the meme of like six feet versus five. - Especially on that camera, I look so comically large with that perspective. - It's a wide angle. People on the edges are good looking. - To be fair, in this camera, I look big.

- I'm just built like that.

- So I have to go to Saturday school. - Yeah, you can build different. - Just come out of Saturday school like a child. - So you mentioned that you wanted to be a voice actor from a young age? - Yes, yes. - When did that start then? Walk me through the process, I'm interested. - Well, I started liking anime because my sister used to like anime and then so I used to watch anime with her and we wanted to become a voice actor when I was in primary school.

- Oh, very young then. - I didn't even know that was like a job when I was in primary school. I was just like funny acting people. - I just thought the characters just existed. - I was like, there are people. - Goku's there somewhere in the world, right? - Yeah, I'm sure he exists. - Yeah, like I was watching Bleach with my sister and Hitsugaya is voiced by Bakuromi-san. She's like,

A woman And she's like Voice acting a A boy Yeah yeah yeah And so I was really like Fascinated by that And I was like Oh I really want to become A voice actor And then from then on I was kind of like I told my parents That I wanted to become A voice actor in Japan And you know like Typical Asian parents They're like Oh

- You want to be an artist. - What is a voice actor? I've never heard of that job before. Do you need a degree to get it? - And what was interesting was that at Saturday school, I used to get like super low marks, like in my test. So my parents were like, well, like you're getting such low marks in Japanese. Like how are you like,

you know, going to become a voice actor in Japan where it's like, you know, you need to be really good at speaking Japanese and reading Japanese. Yeah. And then so, yeah, my parents were like against me, but I was like, I want to become a voice actor in Japan. So, yeah, in high school, I kind of started auditioning for like the schools, the voice acting schools in Japan. Oh, wow. What age in high school? I think like,

- I was 16, 17. - Wow. - So like I would like work part time and then I'll save money and then I'll book a flight to Japan. - Oh my God. - To audition. - Damn, you were determined. - I was like working like four or five times a week. And then like on like, you know, during school holidays I'll be working like six times a week or like, you know, just when the- - Holy fuck. - You were really on that grind. - Yeah, yeah. I was like super like, I don't wanna become, yeah. And then like,

And a lot of the places told me that because I live overseas, it's kind of like, you know, like... Hard. Yeah. But then I finally like passed the audition and they're like, you know, please come to the school. And then so...

I decided to go to Japan, but at that time I was in, I was still in uni. - Okay. - And you know, like my parents were like, well, isn't it better if you kind of like finish uni and then go to school? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And so I was kind of like, yeah, maybe, but,

And so during the holidays, I like worked more and then I saved up a lot of money. And you know, in Australia, it's like when you're 18, you can kind of decide everything for yourself. So like I kind of quit uni without telling my parents. Oh.

- I think that's like the worst thing you can do, right? It's like number one no-no. - That's like one step away from a low thing. - Holy fuck, I've never actually heard an Asian kid do that. I'm just like, I'm just, I felt that in my soul, man. Like a thousand of my ancestors just screamed right there. - You are the one person that's just screamed.

- Is this what happens when an Asian unlocks like their final form?

- I feel like I just witnessed ultra instinct IRL man. - Jesus Christ. - It doesn't stop there. Like I quit uni and then I didn't tell my parents and then- - Did you know you were gonna quit uni like for a while or was it just kinda like, fuck it, I'm doing it. - Well, before going to uni, I wasn't really actually gonna go to uni, but then my parents were like,

for at least one year. And then so I was like, okay. And then I went to uni for one year and then, yeah. And then, wait, so what was the question you wanted? - When you went into uni were you like, yeah, I'm not gonna stick with this. Or was it like, you just had enough and you're like, fuck it, I'm moving to Japan. - Yeah, I went to the classes there and I was like,

- Hell nah, hell nah. - I had no idea but I was like, but I guess I did sign up. Like I'm not Zuckerberg, I don't have an idea, I can't just quit. - So I booked the flights to Japan without telling my parents. And I think around a week before the flights, I told my parents that I was going to Japan.

- See ya. - Parents were so against me going to Japan. - Yeah, of course. - So like a week before I told my parents and by then I had already like booked the packaging. What is it? Like the people who come to take your package to send it to Japan. - Oh yeah. - And so yeah. - So they just like showed up and they were like,

what's all this? - So you literally just sort out all the logistics. - Yeah. - And then one day before like the package goes, you're like, mom, I'm leaving. - BTW. - By the way, mom, going to Japan. - When you told them, they're like, boss music, stop playing. - Well, I think my parents weren't expecting me to like act

'Cause like in school I was that girl that was like, you know, I'd like study a lot and then- - Yeah. - Yeah. - And then she'd be like, "Psyche." - Yeah, yeah. And then so when I told her, she was kind of like,

- Okay. - Just like top 10 anime betrayals in real life. - Yeah. - But then like, 'cause 18 in Australia is like you're considered like an adult, but 18 in Japan, you're still considered like a child. - A child, yeah. - 20, right? - Yeah, 20. - 20, yeah. - And then so I had booked the flights to Japan, but I hadn't like,

I haven't rented any like house or like anything. And I was like, oh, I could just stay in a hotel until I can like rent a house. But then after going to Japan, I realized that you couldn't book a house. Like you couldn't rent a house when you're like 18. - Yeah. - You can't? - Yeah, you can't. - You need parents permission. - Yeah. - Oh no. - And because my parents were really against me, right? They wouldn't, they'll be like,

And so I went through all my contacts and I contacted all my friends and I was like, is anyone in Japan, like, you know, living in Japan, can I like live with you? And then there was like one girl that went to the same school, Saturday school. And she- This Saturday school paying off dividends, man. That's what the torture was going for. I'm jealous. Yeah.

And then, you know, she like, luckily she actually had a bunk bed in her room. And the reason why she had a bunk bed- - Which was randomly?

because like her parents would be coming over from Australia to Japan like once in a while so she was like oh I could just you know have like a bunk bed so they could sleep there when they come and so yeah she was like well I have a bunk bed and you know if you're fine with that then we can live together so we lived together for a while and then I started going to the school there and that's how it all

all kind of started. - That's a fucking bad ass story, man. Holy shit. - That's literally like the equivalent of like the OG American dream kind of story where you just like, you pack your bags, you go to like LA or whatever and you just figure it out. And that's kind of what you did. - Literally like I'm on a quest to find myself. - Like that level, right?

- Parents won't hold me back, I got this. - That's so cool. - I assume obviously having native Japanese is a big plus. I've heard that in Japan they're really strict with like pronunciation and then voice acting has to be like perfect. - Oh yeah, yeah. I still have problems with my accent. - Oh really? - Like sometimes like, yeah. 'Cause like, you know, like even for Kanji, there's like so many ways of reading like the same Kanji and then like for accents, it's like,

it also depends on the sentence, like accent changes. And so like, yeah, I still have, I'm still like kind of learning my accent, but yeah, yeah, I'm getting used to it. - I mean, yeah, I feel that like, especially, I feel like just voice acting agencies like anywhere in any country is like, you know, quite high standards, but I feel Japan especially has some pretty insane standards. - Well, because it's one of the most sought after jobs in Japan.

- There's some huge competition for it here. - After YouTuber. - All the kids in Japan are like number one YouTuber, number two voice actor. - You've seen loads of videos about it of people going into these schools and it's like a military camp.

- Yeah, they really should. - And you feel so bad 'cause you're like, "All these people, most of these people are gonna have their dreams crushed 'cause they're not gonna make it." - Yeah, like what is like the kind of daily routine for, Jesus Christ, I'm laughing. What is like the daily routine for like schools like that? 'Cause like you only hear about voice acting schools in Japan, but like, you know, obviously I don't think any of us have been to it or know anything about it. - I mean, yeah.

It depends on the school. Like some schools, you have to go there like five times a week. Some school, they only have it like once a week. And I went to one that was only like once a week. And the teachers, they will be really strict. And in Japanese, you call it like taikukaike. It's really like, they're really strict. Yeah, so like we do like, you know, accent and pronunciation. And we also do like, what is it in English? Like katsuzetsu?

- Oh, like, so that like, you know, to fix like lisps. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - So like be able to pronounce like all syllables correctly. - Yeah. - I don't know what it's called in English. - Yeah, I don't know what it's called. - Pronunciation? - Yeah, pronunciation, I guess. - Pronunciation. - Annunciation. - Annunciation. - Annunciation. - Annunciation. - That's a very, very important part that people overlook. - But then because the teachers were like really strict, like,

By like six months into starting school, like half of the students wouldn't, would start not coming to school. Right. Kind of like,

- Disappear. - Disappear. - Right, right. - Kind of like uni then. - So is it like kind of a strict process for even getting into the school? Like you mentioned you had to audition a bunch and you had to- - Yeah, this also depends on the school. Like some schools are really strict. Some schools they're not as strict because like, you know, you learn everything at school. So like, you know, I think they're looking for like people with like nice voices or like, you know. - Right, right, right. - Okay. - People who have like potential. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They don't like kick anyone out. They're like, you know, you're terrible, go home.

- Like, well the auditions, like- - Kind of like that, I guess. - Yeah. Well, it's kind of like, it comes through post, like whether you passed or not. So it's like- - Oh, oh. - Yeah. - They don't want to tell you in person. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of like, you go to the audition and they're like, "Okay, thank you."

and you go home and then like a week later. - That's just such typical like passive aggressive Japanese. - You are terrible, goodbye. - Exactly. - So how long would you typically study at the voice acting school? - I went to the voice acting school for two years. Some people only go for like a year as well. - And you don't get any jobs in that time? It's like purely just studying?

for me, it was, I got a job when I was at school and that was only because I was able to speak English. It's not really common. Yeah. Yeah.

- I guess you have the advantage of being bilingual. - Yeah. - So you get like that. - You get those English jobs as well. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I was just talking to Connor how like being bilingual in this country or in any Asian country, if you want a job in that country, it's just like so easy. It's like a cheat code almost. - I mean, that's one of the big reasons why I wanted to move here, right? It's because like, you know,

in Australia, no one really gives a shit if you can speak Japanese. - That's true. - The only job you'd probably be able to get is like teaching Japanese at the Saturday school for recess. But it's like even then, it's like a lot of Japanese teachers in Australia don't even really speak that good of Japanese. - In alternative timeline, you were an interpreter for the president

- Talking to like the president or the prime minister of Japan, you just chose behind him like Italian. - That's probably like the only like real high end job you could probably get in Japanese. But like here, for example, like every company in every field is looking for someone to speak English. So it's just natural progression to just

come here. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. What I want to know is like the things you learn in voice acting school, do they specifically teach you how to sound like an anime character? Because like I've noticed obviously as it's common sense that anime characters sound very different from how people usually speak. Right, yeah. So do you, what goes into like learning how to speak like that? This also depends on like which kind of teacher you have, but some teachers are based like on like acting. So they're more like instead of like, you know,

sounding like an anime character. Like they want you to focus on your acting skills, but some like teachers actually do like tell you like, you need to be more like,

like over the top, you know, 'cause like anime characters, they're like over the top. So like, yeah, yeah, so yeah. - Okay, so you've been in school for two years. How does it then transition into being like, you're a professional now, start working? Is it like a set end date at the school or is it like, they're just like, you're ready now, kid, go on, start acting. - Act, act, act.

- For my school, there was like a set date that you finished school. And before you finish school, you'll have like auditions to get into the agency. - That's very Japanese. - Yeah. - 'Cause I feel like in the West, they're just like, "All right, you're done. Fuck off, good luck. Make it work, kid." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But yeah, they'll be like, you know, staff there like looking at you and usually you'll be handed like a script like 15 minutes before you actually

in front of the people. - What is the point of that? 'Cause it's like, that doesn't happen on a regular. You don't show up to the studio not knowing what anime you're gonna be in and being like, here's the script, you're recording in 10 minutes. - It's really common, at least in English that you wouldn't know, you wouldn't see the script until you're actually recording it though. - Yeah, but in Japan, it's like way before. - I mean, for like narration or like sometimes

- Sometimes there's like times when they give it to you on that day. But like in regards to like anime and games, it's more like, you know, you get like several days in advance. - Yeah, because the pre-planning stage for anime and games is insanely long. - I think because there's sometimes in English that still changing the lines while you're getting to the end. So they might change them. Or like maybe they'll change it while you're doing the lines. I've had that happen before. You guys are like, I don't like this anymore. I wanna change it. I'm like, okay.

- Yeah, because when I did the stuff for Pop Team Epic, they gave me the script like four weeks before I actually went in. - No NDA either, right? - Huh? - No NDA either. - No NDA. I talked about this on the podcast, but they literally gave me a CD of the episode. - Oh yeah, yeah, we get that. - Did they do that for you? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Is that just like a common thing? - Yeah, it's like a,

- Like anime recordings, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. You get like a CD beforehand and you check that at home and then you see how long your line is. - And then you kind of like check out the timing of when to start. - You don't have to sign anything saying I won't share this to anyone? - No.

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like achieving my dream right now. Well, we had an audition to get that role. And I knew that it was like, like an English speaking character. And like the audition was like, you had to speak in English. Right. Just anything in English. And so, yeah, there was like other people that were like auditioning as well. And I was like,

I'm the one that's like, that can talk English. - Excuse me, are you Eigo Jozin? I don't think so, I don't think so. - It sounds like, well, if I don't get this role, I'm gonna like, maybe this is not like for me. - You're like a queer. - You just turned up and you're like, oh, I've got this. I've got this.

And then, yeah, like when I heard that I got the role, I was like super happy because obviously not many people who are still in school get a job. Yeah. And, you know, a lot of people, even after they like graduate, they don't get, you know, jobs. Right. Yeah. So I was like normal university. Yeah.

- Yeah. And so like, yeah, I was like, I was super happy 'cause I like, you know, 'cause my first job was Kan Kore, like Kan Tai Collection, Kan Kores. And that was like a huge game as well. So yeah, I was just like, my first job is Kan Kore, like,

Like, oh my God, really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that's so cool. I mean, did your parents find out about it too? Did you tell them or? - I told them, but they're not really into anime and stuff, so they're like, "Oh, really? That's nice." - My parents are like that. - They're like, "Enjoy it while it lasts." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wait, so how do your parents feel about what you do now then?

- Now they're like more accepting and they're kind of like, you know. - Yeah, because they're starting to see like results. - When you get a stable income, parents are always like, "All right, maybe we better pay." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just make some money. - Yeah, that's literally what it was like for my parents as well. 'Cause they were like, when I was still doing it at home during uni, the whole YouTube thing, they were like, "Have fun with that while it lasts." You know, it's like, that's a good paying hobby you got there. And then when my dad was like,

"You make more than I do per month." That's when he was finally like, "Wow." He was like, "Cool, thanks dad." - Do your parents know kind of what you do now? Do they understand at least what you do? - Yeah, like my sister, she kind of shows like what I do to my parents. So like, yeah, they kind of now know what I do. - That's good. - Do they do that thing where like, "Wait, this is you?" - Yeah, they do, yeah.

- My parents are like, they don't believe it. They're like, "I know it." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You don't sound like that. You've never heard that bullshit. - Yeah. - I remember when I first tried to explain my job to my parents. I'm like, "How would you make money off this? "I don't understand this YouTube thing." And then cut to three years later, my dad phones me up and being like, "I was checking your social blade "and your last video seems to be underperforming

- What's going on with that? - It's a transition from not knowing anything, not caring to know anything to suddenly being like an analyst. I'm like you gained a hundred less subscribers than on average for this day. What's going on? Are you paying enough attention? - That's still cute though. Because like my parents are definitely not that.

Like I think my parents are kind of, they went from not knowing or caring to kind of being like caring, but still not really knowing. You know, like I think when I asked my dad, like what he thinks about what I do for a job, he was just like, oh, you know, I don't support it. I just let you do it. - I mean, for like YouTubers, I guess it's really hard to explain to your parents like what,

- True, true, true. - I guess for a horse actor you can just say, I'm an actor. You can just show them a clip and be like, that me, that me, I did that. That me, I did that. - Sometimes I wish I just review food so I could explain it easy. And people would be like, yeah, I just eat, that's it. But I'm like, wow, I don't really know. - I literally have to, my grandma to this day still thinks I'm a comedian.

'Cause that's the only way I can explain it to my grandma. It's like, yeah, your grandson is a comedian. That's just not on TV. And she's like, oh wow, okay, very good, sweet. - I gotta ask, going back to like the Saturday school thing in the small community, I gotta ask, did all your parents know each other as well?

- Is that an Asian thing or? - I mean, I think a lot of the parents did know each other, but I think that was only really like if you kind of grew up with that kid from a really, really young age. Because like we had a lot of like childhood friends that I would grow up with that eventually, you know, would like do the same sports activities or do the same, you know, or go to the same Saturday school, go to the same primary school or whatever. But like-

- I didn't really know her sister or Shu all that much to the point where our parents knew each other. We had mutual like parent friends, but yeah, I don't think it ever got to that level. - Yeah, because I just asked, 'cause I obviously didn't go to Sunday school, but this is how- - It's Saturday school. - It's Saturday school. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - We don't pray. - We don't pray. - It's weekend school. I'm just gonna call it weekend school. - Ladies and gentlemen, the weekend.

- Let me tell you how social lighting worked in like the Thai community when I was growing up. We didn't have weekend school. - Right. - So like every day,

Every Thai parent would for some reason know each other within like a fucking 50 mile radius and they'd hang out and they were like, your kid, your kid, you're like within the same age, socialize and now make friends, right? And that was basically how I knew all the kids in like my area. And is it the same in Japan as well where you refer to each other as like kind of like

kind of like brother or sister or like cousins. - I feel that's very much a Southeast Asian. - Okay, okay. So it was really confusing explaining this to Sydney because I would introduce Sydney to like a family friend, but I would introduce them as a cousin.

And I would introduce my actual cousins as cousins. So Southeast Asian like family trees are just a fucking mess. 'Cause we call everyone brother, sister or cousins. - Everyone's related. - Everyone's family. - Any of these discussions, this is not me. - So like when you like refer to your cousins, right? Do you say like the cousin that's not,

- Of one related cousin. - No, no, there's no distinction. We just call them cousin, cousin. And then Sydney's just like, so whenever I introduce a new cousin, so she's just like, is this a cousin, cousin or just a cousin? I'm just like, it's a real cousin. But they're all real cousins. - It's like the white people equivalent of calling everyone your uncle or aunt. - I guess so, yeah. - They're like, oh, this is your uncle. And I found out they weren't my uncle. And I was like, what?

- Why did you lie? - I mean, yeah, like my Australian side definitely had that where like my dad's friends would be my uncles or like, you know, my, you know, but I don't think Japanese don't really do that. - No, I don't think so, yeah, yeah. - I feel because like in Japan, especially like the concept of family is very much like closed off in a lot of sense where it's like, you really have to be like part of the family in order to be considered a family member. It's not like an Italian like, hey bro,

- I just can't get over it. I mean, I think he just held up a sign that just said incest. - Oh, is that where God's obsession for- - No, no, for fuck's sake.

- Anyway, no, but like, no. - Who just holds up a sign that says incest? Guys, it's the incest queue. - We got a guest on today. - Jesus. - Sorry about this show. - The show is definitely a great show. - You're tainting an innocent mind over here. - No, but I don't think the Japanese side really had that. It was like, it's a childhood friend and that's like the extent. But I feel like,

- Yeah, definitely like, you know, it's not like we couldn't make friends later on in life, but I feel like a lot of the friends you did make, especially in Sydney with the Japanese community, a lot of it was very heavily rooted in like how long have you known this person for, you know, kind of thing. - Is that why there are so many childhood friend characters in anime? - Yeah. - I just got to ask that. - I pulled through in real life. - I was the one thinking about it. - I mean like, you know, like if you're friends since like four, when you're like,

like four years of age you like stay friends for like

- Yeah, I did get that about like Japanese culture. It's like, I got the impression that, you know, there's like different levels of friendship within Japanese culture and it's very hard to like penetrate like the deeper level unless you've known them for like a very, very long time. - Why did you say penetrate? - I don't know, okay. - It's such an arduous word. - It was such a hard P. - Oh my gosh. - No wonder they don't let you in.

- I don't want anything penetrated, thank you very much. - No, but definitely like that whole trope of like the Osana Najimi or like the- - Stop laughing Connor, just stop laughing. - What are these choice of words going on today?

- No, but like really like that whole like Osana Najimi trope in anime I feel is very, it's like rooted in reality in a lot of ways because you know, a lot of my Japanese friends to this day from Australia are guys and girls I've known since I was, you know, like less than one year old or like, - Less than one year old. - No, like dead off like, are you serious? - Because like, at least with my mom, how I got to know a lot of them was that, because again, like the Japanese community was so small.

the moms would go to like these like mom friend groups where like moms that had kids of similar ages would come together. And so like naturally you, you know, at like the age of like six months to anywhere. - Pops out the vagina. It's like, son, let me introduce you to your best friend. - Why are you saying these only descriptive words today?

- It pretty much is like that. - All the words. - You could have said pops out. You didn't have to. - What's going on today? - A dog. - Like dead ass, like pop out the bag before I see my own father. It's like, he's your best friend. It's like that. But like my oldest friend, my oldest childhood friend to this day, who's also half Japanese, half Australian, who lives here now, I met before I could even walk.

So like, it's crazy to think that I'm 26 now and I've dead ass known him for 26 years of my life. - So literally say, when you say I've known him my entire life, you've really fucking mean it. - I've literally known him my entire life. There is six months of my life that I didn't know him. - So you feel quite strongly then towards someone even if you don't speak to them, even if just because you grew up with them?

- I feel it's like one of those concepts of like, you know, it's the type of friends where you're like, I don't have to text you every day to know that I'm your friend. - I guess to me it's more like, oh cool, how you doing?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's one of those friends where you're like, you don't text for a year or something, but you can casually still be like, "So we're going to dinner?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like one of those friends, right? - I think if my friend messaged me and I haven't spoke to them in like years and they were like, "Hey, can I stay at your place for X amount of time?" If it's like one day, I'm like, "I guess." But if I haven't really spoke to them, I'll be like, "What if they're crazy?"

What if they've gone through things? What if they just don't leave? - I feel that you would know about that in some way, right? Especially because for us, the parents were also involved. - Yeah, that's true. - So it's like, I know my friends, my childhood friends' parents just as well as I know the friend.

Because it's kind of like, I guess that's the only like whole auntie and uncle or like cousin aspect to it. Where it's like your childhood parents, sorry, your childhood friend's parents are kind of like your uncle or your aunt in a lot of aspects. Was that the same for you as well? - That was the same for me, yeah. - Yeah, yeah. - Can't relate.

- Now that I think about it and talk about it, it's a really weird concept. - It is, yeah, yeah. - I'm envious that you can have just friends for free. - For free. - No work put in, just born, just talk. - No payroll. It's almost like an arranged friendship. Your parents vote for green, yes. Our children can be friends, right? - Honestly, it is pretty much like that. - The only thing I get from my childhood friends are just fucking Farmville invites on Facebook. They're just driving up the wall. I'm like, fuck off, stop.

Well, because like a lot of, and I feel as well, like how strong of a bond you form with your childhood friends depends on how close you are or like the same types of activities that you did growing up or like, did you go also go to that fucking swimming school in Sydney? I was about to, but. The one in Killarney? Yeah.

- I was about to, but my parents were like, oh, it's too far away. And so we didn't go. - Oh really? - Yeah. - Yeah, so because there was this one like swimming school that like all the Asians would go to. And that's how, that's also how like I kind of rekindled with a lot of like my childhood friends that I met when I was a baby. 'Cause like, it was like, oh, the parent that I met during this like mom circle also takes their kids to the swimming school.

And I've been thinking to take my son or daughter to the swimming school. So I'll just go to the same one that I know all the parents at. So that's like, so again, like I feel like that community is so bonded tightly that like, it'd be like, oh, if that parent is doing this thing, I'll send my kids there. - Yeah, you could say your family.

- Vin Diesel me. - Cue Fast and Furious. - Cue Vin Diesel me. - Which might be dead by the time this comes out. - By the time this comes out, it'll probably be very outdated. - Yeah, exactly. - I'm curious, so you obviously mentioned that you are very passionate about it from a young age, but obviously when you're not in school before that, there's only so many ways you can, I guess, practice or get experience. And what did you do before that to kind of get practice? 'Cause I was just doing it from my bedroom, just online with like a shitty microphone.

Really? I was like, yeah, yeah. So like, I bought like a really bad shitty microphone. Yeah, me too. And then,

At home I'll be recording my own voice and like hearing it again and then recording it again. And you know, cause like now like voice acting, you have to be able to like sing well as well. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What? - Like you have to- - I'm fucked. - Yeah, like you have to like dance as well, right? So like- - Voice actresses especially. - Dance? - Yeah. - Yeah, voice actors and actresses at this day and age are basically idols. - Wow, it's like totally different in like the West. - Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, you have to like,

like you're in magazines, like you have to look good, like visually. - Well, I guess that's why, like again, it's so, the competition is so intense. - Yeah. - Yeah, like you said, they're more idols, but they're always on TV, right? - Yeah, yeah. - Definitely get that.

And so, yeah, like, you know, in Australia they don't have much karaoke's. - No. - Like, yeah. And so- - There was one really like crappy karaoke. - Yeah, I think I know which one, yeah. - But it was the closest thing we got to like the Japanese style because like karaoke in Australia is a lot like in America where it's like all open mic. - Yeah. - And I'm like, that's not karaoke. - That's always been weird to me. - That's not karaoke. That's public embarrassment. - I love that. I love that. - I hate it. I hate it. - I hate it. - I hate it. - It's my night when someone just God awful starts, 'cause I'm like,

That guy's great. That guy went up there knowing he'd butchered the song. - No, but like what if the opposite happens, right? What if like the person before you sings like fucking amazingly and then you're like, oh shit, I have to go up and do sexy back. - Let me go, let me go.

- Like if I'm gonna embarrass myself, at least I could just embarrass myself in front of my friends. - Yeah. - That's the way I think about it. Yeah, that's why like the concept of going to karaoke sober is just non-existent in Western countries, right? Because you're not gonna go out up and sing on stage in front of strangers if you're not intoxicated, unless you're just an amazing singer. - Yeah. - They do that here too. - Yeah. - So what, so you had to learn how to sing as well or you already sang?

- I practiced singing from my bedroom. - As everyone does. - Yeah, but that was really embarrassing 'cause my parents were against me doing voice acting, right? - Stop singing! - They'll be kind of like, "Oh, sing in your room." But obviously because it's not like soundproof or anything, it's like, I'm like, my really bad singing is like resonating throughout the whole like house. - So you practicing dancing as well when you were like teenager? - No, like,

I didn't really practice dancing 'cause I was more into like singing and acting. - Not much for dancing myself either. - It's really hard. - Yeah, so with the voice acting school, did they teach you any of these other aspects of being a voice actress or was it just purely the voice part? - The school that I went to was like just purely voice acting. But I know like some schools teach you singing and dancing.

dancing as well. Especially like, you know how, like I said that there was like schools where you have to go like five times a week. Yeah. Yeah. Those, uh, eight hours a day or like, I,

- I'm not really sure, but- - I assume not. Like you have to live somewhere. - I think when I watched a video about it, it was something like they just go in the evening after their job. Like a lot of people do that in Japan. I think that's normal. - That sounds about right. - Yeah, there's a lot of different like, you know, it always depends on the school, you know. But yeah, so some schools teach that. - So what type of voice acting were you doing in your bedroom when you were like 15, 16? - Well, I was kind of like copying characters. - Yeah, okay.

- I feel it always starts with like impersonation. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Fan dubs and stuff. - Yeah, yeah. - Who did you impersonate? - I impersonated a lot. Wait, let me just say this.

- Who did you impersonate? Other than the obvious ones. - League of Legend characters. - Yeah, I did that. - Do you know how I know that? 'Cause that's what he sent in from my audition reel. - There you go. - A League of Legends characters audition reel. - It was that good. - And I got the job. - He did. - No, I don't know, I just copied everything. And I would do weird stuff for people who wanted, 'cause someone has to voice out these terrible stuff online. Like Sims project and stuff. People just make Sims animations. - Oh, Sims. - With Sims.

you would have to do the voice. I hated it, but I was like, well, I want a voice act, but I don't like the project. - 50 bucks is 50 bucks, right? - Are you gonna get paid? Are you kidding me? No one got paid. I was using like a headset microphone. It sounded like, it was terrible, but you know, you love doing it. So you just keep doing it. - Yeah, of course, of course. - Until you can buy a good microphone. And even then you're like, Google, how do I remove static? Loud static, how to remove? - Yeah, yeah.

- The audacity noise canceling function. - Yeah, 'cause like back when I was like, like newly into the anime community, like what, there was a big like online voice acting community when I was first going to the anime community. Was that still a thing when you were trying to be a voice actress?

- No, I don't think so. - Really? - So yeah, does Japan not have like an online scene for voice acting where they just voice act and stuff online? - I think some people do like voice act online and some people actually like voice act on Niko Niko. - Yeah. - But I didn't really participate in that 'cause I was kind of like, oh like, well when I was in Australia, my Japanese wasn't as fluent. Like it was really like,

- It sounded like an Australian was talking. - I get that. - And so I was like, oh, like, you know, I don't have much confidence. So I kind of practice more from home. - Okay. - Yeah. I was like, I was copying Hanekawa from "Bakemonogatari". - Nice. - Yeah, and like, you know, all this kind of practice. I was practicing animals too, like. - Animals? - So you tried to get the animal roles as well.

- I just imagine practicing animals, you're shouting at a dog. - Yeah, like on the internet, they're like, you know, it's important as like a Japanese voice actor to be able to, you know, voice actors. - Do you have to audition for animal roles?

- For me, it was kind of like, I already had it in my voice reel. - You're the go to. - And so yeah, they picked me from there. - What kind of animals? Like just dogs, cats? - Like dogs, cats, yeah. - I guess that's the majority, right? I'm so curious. What was your process in like practicing for that? - I'll just like endlessly watch animals on YouTube and then I'll kind of like copy them

- There's people who have demo reels for like monster creature demo reel. - Oh yeah. - Monster noises and weird sounds that human bodies shouldn't make. - I guess someone's gonna voice them, right? - Yeah, exactly. - I mean, there's quite a big demand for that. Like there's always shit that needs growling. - Can you do some animal voices right now? - A dog.

- It's very loud. - Oh, sorry. - I didn't expect it, it was great. - It was great, it was great. - I can do a cat as well. - Okay, do it. - That's a cat. - That's pretty fucking good. - That's really good. - That's really good. - Well, I mean, if we said it was shit. - Nah, that doesn't sound like a cat. - We'll just send you a passive aggressive letter later. It wasn't very good. - You'll receive a letter in your face. - I wonder if there's like any viewers watching right now who has a cat in the background who just like.

- Who's throwing hands? - The dog is just losing it.

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For auditions, well, the auditions come to your agency and then the agency will pick someone that's suitable for the role. And they'll be like, there's like two stages. There's like tape audition and there's a studio audition. And tape audition is where you just send your voice into the people who make the anime. And stage audition is when you actually go in front of all the directors and like the people who make the anime. Yeah.

- If that makes sense, yeah. - So how many people will be there normally? - Depends on like the anime, but,

- I don't know. Like sometimes there's like only like 25, 20, like five, 10, 20. - Only 20? What? - Sometimes there's like more. There's like, yeah. - Wait, this is the staff, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - 20 staff members. - Oh, no, no, no. Oh, you mean staff members. - Yeah, sorry. - I was gonna say, I was like. - Staff members, it depends, but sometimes it's like- - It's like a foley artist is standing there. She's got a good voice. - It's not gonna match the grass. - But sometimes like there's like around, usually there's around five people

But sometimes they could be like 10 or like maybe even more. - Wow, like judging and like wow. And then there's about 20 to 30 auditioning? - Yeah. - Is that for one character or? - Yeah, sometimes for one character. Like sometimes the anime, like people they'll take like a whole day auditioning, like several characters. And like this was like pre COVID. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, there'll always be like people waiting in the waiting room and then- - Oh God, you're all like, oh yeah, you go for the park. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Before you walk in just. - And it's like, because they're holding the scripts, right? And they're kind of like practicing it in the- - Is there like big tension in the room? - Yeah, there is. It's like super quiet. - That's so nerve wracking. - And you see someone holding the same script as you are and you're like,

- You know, 'cause there's like people in movies, like people who turn up really cocky. Is there anyone ever like that? Who's like, I've got this, go home. - No, because you know, like even like the really like famous voice actors, they audition to get like the same, like the role.

- So you might turn up and there might be like a triple A, like, oh my God, that's terrifying. - But the good thing about this job is that it's not always them that get the job, right? It's like the person who suits the voice, like the character best. So yeah, it is really nerve wracking though when they're like in front of you and they're like practicing their script and you're like- - Oh wait, so you've been in a situation where you were in like auditioning for the same roles of massive voice actors?

And it's like, it's so nerve wracking just to like act in front of like all the staff members making the anime. And then there's like this huge, like, you know, someone you've known like since like ages ago. - Probably a fan or something. - Yeah, yeah. Like who've like, you've had like posters of them up on your room or something like that, right? So yeah, it's just like really nerve wracking. - Wow, that's like so different from how they do it in like the English.

English anime. - Oh, really? - Because when they're dubbed, they have to be dubbed like pretty fast. - Right. - So they can't like, they never hold open auditions. It's been a very, very long time. I think they'll be like, "Hey, we know that you're good at what you do. "Try for this character and you should record an audio clip "and send it in." And that's it. There's no like another one. Sometimes there is, but it really depends on the scene.

But it's really fast. And that's why there's normally like less actors, I guess, compared to Japan. Because it's normally you have to be kind of established to get a chance. It's kind of difficult. Yeah. How many auditions do you have to go through or like for different series before you normally land like a single role? Oh,

Well, in the industry, they say like auditions, like it's like normal to like not pass an audition. So like they say like if you like take 50 auditions, if you get into one, then that's like-

Like you're still on the good side. - 40 to one. - Yeah. - I suppose if you're like competing against 20 other voice actresses. - Some people just spend all day from the home just on like voices.com sending in like fucking hundreds. Drives me insane. - And yeah, it's really like,

'Cause like when you get the audition, you wanna know more about the character and you wanna know more about the manga or whatever it's based on. So like you read all these manga and you take your time understanding the character and stuff like that. And so yeah, it's like when you don't pass, it's like, oh, I didn't pass. - Yes, sometimes I try not to get too invested 'cause I feel that if I read the manga and I feel like I know this character, I can do it. Why didn't I get it?

- And then you gotta go to the next one. It's like, yeah, it must be quite difficult. How do you kind of keep that detachment level there? - Well, at first I was like, I felt really like down when I did a pass and went chin. But then now it's kind of like, you know, you need to take, like, you just keep like,

like, you know, not passing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just gotta like, you grow thick skin, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. And just like, it's nothing personal, right? Yeah. Nothing personal, kid. So you mentioned, obviously, that's not the normal process right now because of COVID. How is it different now because of COVID? Well, they used to,

You know how I said that they used to call in people for studio auditions? Now it's more like you have the tape auditions and you get chosen from there or they choose someone. They don't have auditions at all and it's kind of like they already choose someone to voice. Oh, it's like we want you to voice this character. We take it kind of thing. Oh, do you have to send another tape still? It depends on the- Oh, so they're just scouting now?

- Yeah, sometimes they just scout you. Sometimes you have auditions and when they do have studio auditions, it's more like you're brought in one by one. So it's like, you know. - So there's no like, there's no standoff anymore. - Yeah, there's no . - I feel that's better for like mental health of voice actors. - Probably. - But that normally doesn't give a lot of chance for I guess new talent to get seen 'cause you, I mean.

that's how they get seen, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If you have to be established or scouted, it's quite difficult to get seen. - Yeah, like how does that work for like the English side of things? 'Cause it's like, it sounds fucking impossible for like new talents to get noticed. - I mean, you have, normally if we recommend it,

Like someone will be like, you know. - It's just who you know kind of thing. - It's sad, but yeah, kind of. I mean, you know, there is ways, but normally it is through recommendations and someone will be like, "Hey, I need this kind of voice. Does anyone know someone who can do this?" So I got recommended to stuff just 'cause they were like, "We need British." And because obviously since COVID, a lot of anime dubs now, the ones that are airing like weeks after are done all online.

- Wow, really? - There's quite a few actually have been done just from home studios.

- So they just record at home? - At home. - Wow, wow. - But you have to have like a good internet connection and you have to have a sound treated room. - Right. - Which I think when COVID hit a lot of the bigger and more established voice actors, just you can order those like, they have them in Japan as well. The home office booths. - Oh yeah, like the small like. - It's like a tiny, it's horrible to, 'cause you get so hot and you can't have the AC on obviously. You're in this tiny room and you're like sweating on a call. And sometimes if you're screaming, it's like terrible.

So yeah, a lot of it now, especially now it's quite bad for like discoverability. Yeah, you kind of have to recommendations. - Yeah. - But yeah, you can audition from stuff still, but again, to get the auditions, you have to be recommended. - Yeah, it's about who you know, I guess. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's tough. - So in Japan, to even be considered for an audition,

do you have to have formal training or they won't allow you? - No, not necessarily. It's like most of the time you have to be in an agency. So like just like to get into the agency, they like, you know, obviously they look at people who have like good acting skills, right? So people in an agency would like have like the, you know,

the basic acting skills. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, normally. - From, yeah. - The agent won't sign you, right? - I guess we can get you work. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then so, yeah, like the manager picks like who they wanna--

- Manage? - Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause the manager picks who they wanna put forward for the audition. They'll be like, "Hey, we need these voices." "Oh, okay, I think these guys are good, take 'em." - Yeah, yeah. - So what's the daily life of a Japanese voice actress? Do you do more roles than auditions or how's the balance go? - It's like, you do auditions too, but once you start getting the hang of your job, it's kind of like you have,

for like, you know, games and other stuff that you did from like a while ago. So just like continuous recordings and stuff like that. And so, yeah, it's like you do auditions, but at the same time you have like continuous recordings. So once you establish yourself, it's a lot easier because you've got a lot more stuff going on there. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

- How was it like, 'cause I've done the whole, it's called in Japanese, but like the recording session, I guess there's like one massive difference between the West and Japan is that in the West it's one at a time. Whereas in Japan it's all together, all at once, right? - Yeah, it's like, yeah. - You've probably done it next to some pretty notable people. - Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

it's really nerve wracking because like, you know, um, you know, like, like now they record it a little bit differently, but before they used to have like 30 people or 20 to 30 people in like a room in a studio and you'll be kind of recording the anime at the same time. And so they'll usually be like four microphones and you know, all the actors will be like using that microphone like between each other. And so obviously, um,

if someone who's bigger than you, like your senpai is using a mic, you can't barge in and use that mic. - Mic. - I'm gonna show you the old time. - So you have to look out for your senpais as well.

and you have to like act properly as well. - That sounds so stressful, oh my God. I just wanna work, you know? - But it's so cool when like a bunch of like super established voice actors are doing it. 'Cause like there's, I think this is like really famous YouTube video of like all the main voice actors for one piece doing a scene where all of the Straw Hat crew is like talking in a scene and they're just so fluidly like switching between microphones when the roles come up and stuff because like,

- What I did as well is that like, just because you're not on the microphone, it doesn't mean you're not acting because a lot of the times people who aren't on the microphone are used for like crowd noises or like just passes by and stuff like that. And it's like, so you constantly just like,

- It's good to have that energy, right? It's why when you're trying to act to have like someone kind of providing the feel of the scene to you, you know? - Yeah. - I feel like that's why Konosuba especially worked really well. Cause you hear like, you hear the original Japanese dub of it and it kind of like, you can tell that the actresses and actors are just bouncing off each other really naturally. And it's like hard to tell.

it's actually some points where it's hard to tell if it's actually scripted or just like completely improvised sometimes. - They used to do a lot more for English productions, but you know,

scheduling is a nightmare. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, yeah. - And for stuff like, you know, like a Disney movie, if you have like all these triple A actors, it's impossible to get them all at the same room at the same time. But some movies and some shows still do it. But it used to be a lot more common, but now it's not really much. - Yeah, 'cause I've seen like footage of like Toy Story and stuff like that. Like all the actors for Toy Story are all in the same room, like kind of in a semi-circle and they all just had like a mic and...

like a stand for their script. - Oh, okay. - And they'll just all do it all at once. - It's normally the more expensive the production, the more you can do that. - That makes sense. - If you have more money, you can tell, "Hey, come in." For movies, they'll always do like a table read, right? The actors will come in and they'll just practice it together, even if they're not recording together and stuff like that. - The scary thing is, 'cause like, you know, once the anime recording starts, it's like, you have to like stay silent, even when it's not like your turn to speak. So like, even when you're reading the script,

and it's not your turn and you wanna like turn the page over, you have to be really careful. And like- - Stealth. - And like when you walk up to the microphone, you can't make any sound. So like, even with your clothing, it has to be something that doesn't make sound. So like, yeah, you can't be wearing like leather jackets and like, you know, like that. - Cause your mind is like,

They used to have like a box just full of like really old t-shirts at one of the studios I worked at. And they were just like, if you wore anything that wasn't a t-shirt, they were like, put the t-shirt on.

- That doesn't sound sanitary. - Well, it was- - Just wear someone's sweaty t-shirt. - They washed them. But it was just like, they were like, don't bring anything that isn't a t-shirt 'cause it makes too much noise. - Yeah. - And don't have keys in your pocket or anything like that. Just empty your pockets. - I hate to be the guy who just came on and was like, shit, I need to sneeze right now.

And I feel that like the pressure is even greater because it's like, if you fuck up a line for instance, then all the actors are there to kind of like- - So what happens if someone flubs that line? - Well, because we're recording like, you know, like I think we record like each 15 minutes of an anime, if that makes sense. So like, if you like mess up your line, you just,

and just back away. - Have you ever done that? - Yeah. - It's like,

- I could see like the PTSD in her face as she was like telling the story. I was like, oh, she's experienced this. - And it's like, if you mess up, you can't say like, oops or anything like that. You just have to like stay silent so the person after you can say their lines. And so like once- - So they can just like cut your part. - Yeah, and then they can take it again after the whole 15 minutes is like recorded, right? And it's really,

it's really hard because when you first start voice acting right the director tells you like you know we want that line said more like this way or like you know in a different way to what you did and if you're not like able to like you know say it like how the director wants you to say it you like take it again and again but you're taking it again and again right in front of all your senpais so like you're taking their time and you know the director's like um

we want it more like this way. And you're like, okay, I'll try this. And so, yeah, it's really like- - That's so nerve wracking. That's like pressure on top of pressure. Like you're already pressured to be like, I'm gonna nail my line just so I can put on a good performance. - The teacher going, all right, what's the answer? Or you specifically, what is the answer to this math question? You don't know it? Come on.

- We'll all wait a second. - I had the director explain how they want you to do the line differently and you're like, "That does not make any sense." - Yeah, when I was first in anime, one of the directors told me in Japanese, they said, " " And I was like,

- What does that mean? - Chambara is like soft, like sword fight. - Yeah. - Okay. - With like, yeah, so basically like play sword fight. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. - Sound more play sword fight. - Yeah, yeah. - It's so specific. - Yeah, and I was like, and at that time I was like, I didn't know the word chambara. - Got you, chief. - It would be so awkward to ask the director, what does chambara mean, right? So I was like,

"Okay, I'll try my best." And so I asked the person next to me who was around the same age as me, like, "What's " And yeah, she told me and I was like, "Hi." - And it still didn't make any sense. - Yeah. - What the fuck does that mean? - Yeah, yeah. - So yeah. - What does that mean? Like, how did you find out what he wanted?

- I got an okay, so I guess I was able to, you know. - Was that an okay or was that like, okay? - It could be either one, right? - Yeah. - When you're doing lines, sometimes there's that feeling of like, you're not getting it and then you just, you know personally you're not gonna get it. And then Derek is like, "All right, we'll just move on." And I'm like, "No, why, tell me." - Yeah, I get that feeling, yeah.

- Have you ever like said like a line and that you've just been like, that was an awful take and the director's been like, all right, we're moving on now. That was a good take. - Yeah, I've had that a lot. - That's why you should say like fuck at the end of my line. If I hated it, then they would tell you to stop saying fuck 'cause you're ruining the line that they liked. You'd be like, da da da da fuck.

because then you couldn't use it. Are you the type of voice actor that watches the anime that they were in after it like finishes and airs and everything to like look back on to kind of learn from? Yep. Because I cannot do

- Really? - Like I hate hearing myself in voice acting roles. 'Cause I get kind of secondhand embarrassment from it. 'Cause I always, I'm so harsh on myself all the time. So when I hear myself on like a game or an anime, I'm always like, I could have done that line like 10 times better. Why did I have to use that one? - I know how you feel. - That's good though, right? Like you know that you could improve. - Yeah, yeah. - It's good, but it's also like when people tell me being like, oh, I heard you in the game, then I'd be like,

- I don't know how I sound in that. So it's like, I can't even like talk about the role that I was in. 'Cause I just don't know how it turned out. But there's a lot of like big anime voice actors that are like that as well. - Yeah, yeah. It's like, I mean like hearing your own voice after it's like, 'cause like you record it and it's aired like several months after you record it. So obviously like several months after you're kind of like, you've like brushed up on your acting a little bit more than what you had before. So like hearing it again, it's like,

"Oh, I didn't say that line properly." I'm really strict on myself as well. So it's kind of like, I look like, but then I think it's really important to kind of look back. - Reflect. - Yeah. - I think the thing that everyone always says the most when they try and start voice acting is like they hate their own voice and they can't stand it. - Yeah. - I mean, personally, I just think that if you learn to be able to listen to your voice and not just,

recoil in disgust, you can then start breaking it down and being like, okay, I didn't do this that well. You can start really focusing on what you're doing wrong. - But isn't it weird that I'm okay with hearing my own voice in YouTube videos?

- Oh really? - 'Cause you've heard it so many times. - 'Cause when you're acting, you're trying to do something like you're trying to perform, right? YouTube is just you. I'm being me, I'm being an idiot. - That's true. - I mean, like I feel though in a lot of my roles, like, 'cause I'm not trained or anything like that, right? I just do it 'cause I like it and I'm given the opportunity. But like the pop team epic one, for instance, I played a New York mayor.

- Really? - I cannot do a New York accent. So dead ass, if you watch the actual episode that aired, it's like the most Aussie sounding fucking New York. - It is, it is. - I'm the mayor of New York. - I just love the idea that you did the take and the director was like, it's perfect. And you're like, no, please, please, please. - I did the first take just thinking like, we're gonna kind of get like a gauge of like how not good

how good my New York accent is. And I actually gave up halfway. I tried to do like an American accent, but at that point, especially I was like, my American accent is not that good where like I can confidently act in that accent. Like I can try and speak it casually, but acting in another accent is a completely different set of skills. So I was like, I'm just gonna like subtly turn it off. Like just turn the gauge down as the recording goes on. So by the end of it, I was just like,

"Yeah, New York!" It was like the most Australian sounding New York. - Yeah, I remember seeing that and I was just like, I feel like he's about to drop the C-bomb. That's an Aussie, you know? When's it coming? When's it coming? - No, but it was so funny because like, I thought for sure, you know, I would get some pointers being like, "All right, you started off good, but you kind of depleted near the end. Let's do another take." Or like, "Let's try that line again." Or something like that. Fully expecting it. The director was like,

"All right, you're good." - Yeah, but the director didn't speak English, right? - No. - Oh, well, that's fine. - So he thought I was like perfect New Yorker accent. It's like, yeah, that's what all people from New York sound like. - I can't blame him though. He doesn't know. There's no way he'd know, right? - Yeah, exactly. - But then in Japan, it's like, when you go to recordings, it's like, when you talk in English, it's like they expect you to speak in an American accent, but you know, 'cause I'm from Australia too, so it's like.

- Yeah, I tried. - You never practiced your American accent when you were practicing? - Well, yeah, like I'm practicing now, but it's still really hard to like, I don't know, like pronounce all these words. - American English goes everything against

- Yeah, I know. I mean, I can't do American accent either. - We have to like contort our faces in ways that we can't. - Yeah, yeah. - Just the "ruh" sound is so like, "Ugh." - Card, card. - Yeah, card. - Card and- - The British and Australian English, like the tongue is like towards the front of the mouth. - Yeah. - And American English, it's like flatter and in the back. And that's like really hard to do when you're British 'cause you're like, "Why do I have to force my tongue down?"

- You just sound like you're kind of drowning half the time. - Mine sounds shit. I barely can. - I mean, I'm much better at it now since then because I practiced, but I mean, I still couldn't confidently do like an American English role, but I feel like, I don't know, just from like watching anime recently where like we are starting to get more like English speaking roles done by actual like native people. I feel like I've noticed, like, I think finally anime directors and producers are like,

different accents in English exist. - In Japanese dubs or? - In Japanese dubs. But even in the English dubs as well, because like a lot of the English dubs are also overseen by like the original directors and producers. So it's like, I feel like they're finally starting to realize like, oh, we can't just get anyone who can speak

moderately good English. Like if we need an American role, we need to get an American speaking person. - Yeah. - I did an American voice for a film. The one that like Charlie Critical is in. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - I was like the killer. But I wasn't credited. - You weren't credited? - Yeah, really? - I think they forgot. I had to tell them.

- So yeah, I like the voice of the killer. And it's like this really raspy, deep, scary voice. - Like American accent. - And then they were like, we want you to do. And so I remember that we were having, I was having the call with the people who were making this film and they were telling me all about this role. And then this is going on for like half an hour and they mentioned, oh yeah, he's American. And then at the end of it, I was like, so like the accent, I don't know if you noticed, I'm not American.

I'm not American. I was like, so what do you want me to do? And they're like, well, he is American. So could you do American? And I'm like, I can, but it won't be good. So I did it. - I feel though your American accent is probably better than most, right? Because I feel, I don't know. - When I do deep voices, it's easier 'cause the mouth shape is easier, but it's still shit, it's still shit. - But I feel like- - You would laugh at me.

- But I feel like a lot of like British actors for instance are usually pretty good at nailing the American accent. - There are so many British or just like, you know, actors not from America that you don't know aren't from America until it's like outed. But then you switch, you swap to the other way around with American, Americans doing like British accents. - 'Cause like how many people think, you know, like if they watch like Batman for instance, right? Like Christian Bale and Gary Oldman.

- Christian Bale is Welsh. - Yeah, Christian Bale is Welsh. - And Gary Oldman is very British. So it's like, it's just incredible to think that like a lot of people just don't know that like- - Chris Hemsworth as well is like Aussie. - Yeah, Chris Hemsworth is an Australian. - Like the most fucking Aussie guy I've ever seen. - But he nails the American accent. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think, yeah, 'cause they teach,

the trained British act is different to American. It's like different ways of learning acting. So I think that has a lot to do with it. 'Cause like British are more focused on like stage acting. - Right. - Like theater training. - Yeah, being more like classically trained. Yeah, so it's a bit different, I don't know.

- And I also feel like if you're going to acting, you kind of need to learn how to do an American accent because that's where most films are made, right? But it's not the same the other way around. - Hating American accents. You always have to do it for things. It sucks, I hate it. Just let me use my British accent.

- Just give me like an Australian character. - I've never seen an Australian character before. - No, me neither. The one time where I was like, "Oh, I might have a chance," is like, what was it? The free, like, what was it? The movie? - Oh yeah. - Season two? - Yeah. - It was based in Sydney. - In Sydney, yeah.

- And so I was like, I was waiting for that phone call. - Joey. - Is it my time to shine? - My time to shine. - My time to shine in Australian accent? - Never happened. - They spoke English in it, right? And it was like terrible. - Yeah, but they hired non Australian actors and actresses.

- I'm right here. I'm right here. - Me and Shu are right here. - Two people right here. - Just hit up that fucking side. - What do you think of the bad English in anime?

I know people who've been asked to like talk in English when they're not like, you know, that- - Is the director just like, you should just do it. - Yeah, they're kind of like, well, they're like, try your best, but you know, like, you know. And obviously the actors are trying their best, but it's like, you know. - I just feel like it's an unfortunate situation. It's just kind of like, oh, I guess they had to, but yeah.

- A lot of my friends ask me how to pronounce stuff 'cause they're like, I don't know how they pronounce this sentence and stuff like that. So yeah, I think it's really hard for them to pronounce something that they're not used to pronouncing. - Do they ever worry about how it's perceived by foreign fans? - Yeah, they do. They're like, I tried my best, but

It's like, I don't think it sounds like native. - I feel bad laughing at the croquenot basket. - Well, the lunchtime rush one. - The croquenot basket when they go to America. - Oh yeah, they go to America. - And everyone's American, but everyone's Japanese. It's a trip. - Well, I mean, it's like the English in like Devilman Crybaby as well. - Oh yeah. - And I had to do Afureko next to that guy.

- Oh really? - Yeah, it was . - Oh yeah. - And it's like, yeah, I mean like- - It's no one wins. - Well yeah, no one wins. I mean like his English was probably the most decent out of like all the other actors, but like I had the exact same thing like during break, like,

all the actors were coming up to me being like, how do you pronounce this? Or like, how do I make this sound as fluent and like naturally speaking as possible? And I'm just like, dude, you're asking the wrong person. This is set in New York. I'm not even doing the accent correctly. Why are you asking me? Like I'm struggling to say the letter R.

- People are like, "I'm walking here." - Just say that, that's what everyone says. That's the meme. - Just give them a copy of like every month Scorsese. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Have you ever been recognized in Japan for your voice work? Like someone spot on the street is like, "Oh my God, I know you." - Not before, but I've had someone ask me like at a cafe, like when I was checking out, I've had someone ask me if I was a voice actor.

- What, just randomly? - Yeah, just randomly. - They could just feel the voice acting aura from you. - I don't know. Yeah. And so it was a young male guy and he was like, "Do you by any chance do voice acting?" And I'm like- - Is that like a pickup line in Japan? "Bro, that voice got me acting up. Are you a voice actor?" - I'm about to sip at your voice.

- My queen, are you a voice actor? - My queen, do you happen to be a voice actor? - Says one word, my queen, I will simp for you. - Did you go to the checkout and say like in a voice acting way or did you start barking or you can like- - Or maybe did I? - Did like the anime reaction lines like. - You can have a point cut. - Really?

- So like for everyone watching who maybe aspires to be a voice actor or actress, what do you think it takes to be one professionally in Japan?

- I think it's like, obviously you need like your acting skills, but I think it's more like being able to communicate with the people around you and like, yeah, like, like, you know, like, cause if you have a manager, then you have like, you have to be in good relationships with your manager because they're the ones picking who to, you know, push forward for the audition and stuff like that. Right. And you know, you'll have to be like doing good with, you know, the, the voice actors around you and your senpais and,

- Yeah, I think that's really important. - It's all just social politics, isn't it? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's how it always is though. The entertainment industry is always who you know and who you're friends with, right? It's been fortunate, I mean.

Even YouTube is like that, right? - Yeah. - Friends with you. - I feel that's just like, but I feel especially like that on top of how already socially politically like, you know, charged, I guess Japan is just in general. You have, you know, TateMai and like all that kind of stuff on top of like an entertainment industry. - Yeah. Like I'm always like, you know, cause like, you know, even with like towards your senpai, right? You have, you want to be like, if you want to become good friends with like that person, like,

it's just so hard to decide how polite you have to be towards them. - 'Cause you don't wanna seem like a kisser. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause it's like, it's that fine line. - Just rolling the dice. - Oh, sorry, go for it. - No, no, I was about to say, it's like, it's that real fine line between showing that you respect your senpai, but also not kissing their butt. - Yeah, yeah. And obviously because in Japanese, if you're too polite, it's like,

- So that's really hard. - Was that something you just had to learn on the job I'm guessing, right? - Yeah.

- It was really hard. - 'Cause I guess like moving from Australia to here, like the social dynamics is just so different from like, from moving to Australia and like a more like, I'd say like Western kind of mentality to Japan, which is like very, very, you know, very, very different, very, very, I don't know what the word I'm looking for here is. - It's like, you know, if Japan is kind of like a pyramid scheme, Australia,

- Australia is just like- - You didn't do just a pyramid. - You just did a pyramid scheme. - A pyramid scheme. - If the social, okay, let me rephrase that. - It's the social multi-level marketing that we're selling here. - If Japan socially is like a pyramid. - Hierarchy, that's- - Like a hierarchy.

- That's the one we were looking for. - If it's a pyramid, then Australia is just, everyone's kind of on the flat surface. Where it's like, you refer to your boss by your name. Whereas like, if you did that in Japan, instantly fired. - Or would it be a power move?

- No. - Just like, damn this guy's good, get him a role. - No, definitely not, definitely not. - I'd love to think that like, even like the top saves, can they just be like, what's up to the director? - Oh, like some people are like, you know. - Like the legends, they're like, hey, what's up? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I feel though that takes like, 10 pages, right? - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause there seems to be so much, I mean like voice actors here, like very, very like famous ones are seen as like, almost like gods.

- They're like the top celebrities, right? - Right, right, right. - I wonder if that like, you know, in the work environment, it kind of means they could just rock up and be like, yo, I own this place.

- I'm sure some of them, you know, like with that much, you know, like fame and power, like I'm sure some people get cocky a little bit. - 'Cause one thing I noticed, I was looking on Twitter, right? And the voice actor for "Journo" has like 1.2 million followers on Twitter. And I'm like, holy shit. That's all, and it's, he's Japanese. So like the market is only really Japan and I guess people who like JoJo, but like that's a,

that is a lot of fun. - Like 1 million in Japan is the equivalent of like 10 million. - Yeah. - It's insane. - Yeah. - That just blew my mind. I was like, how many? - Yeah. I feel like most of the top, top voice actors in Japan have like that kind of level. - A lot, yeah. - Does being popular on social media or being popular on TV, does that,

Does it help you get a lot of roles in Japan? Is that like a factor? - Yes, it helps. - A lot? - Yeah, 'cause you know, like if you have more followers then like you can, you know,

what is it like, not really advertise more, but it's like, you know, people know you. So it's like, you know, like. - So they're more inclined to like watch the ad. - Yeah, yeah. - So is there like a lot of voice actors in Japan that like, "Hey guys, getting into TikTok now." Is that a thing at all? - Yeah, there are some voice actors who do TikTok and like, you know, a lot more voice actors now are doing like YouTube as well. - Right, right. - Yeah. - That's kind of the same in English. Like a lot of the voice, 'cause you kind of have to have social media presence unfortunately. - Yeah. - Like the voice actor who did "Gintoki"

He's huge on Twitter. He memes the fuck out of himself on Twitter all the time. A lot of people, especially in the West, just know him for that. - Everyone loves him on memes. - One thing I'm sure that the audience is slightly curious about, and people who watch anime, they wanna be a voice actor in Japan. That's a thing, right? Have you ever seen someone who wasn't native in Japanese make it as a voice actor? Is that a thing?

'Cause I've heard often people who have tried, but I haven't heard anyone who's managed to do it who like wasn't native or born in Japan. 'Cause I've heard that again, they are so strict on all the pronunciation and the way that you talk that you do have to be native.

- I personally haven't seen anyone who was- - Right, rip weebs. - I feel just like bilingual voice actors is just not a market that has been filled yet. I can't really think of like a notable voice actor in Japan or in the West that can do a role like that, that is not in their native language. - It's really hard because, you know, like for like voice acting, especially in Japan, like you have to,

be able to act like and speak in Japanese really fluently, but you also have to have that like Japanese, you know, bowing and K-Go and social skills as well. So I think, cause when I first came to Japan, I was really like shocked by all the stuff that you have to do. And so I think, yeah, there's so many stuff you need to do other than, you know, being able to act in Japanese. And now you have to like dance and sing and,

- Yeah, all these other stuff that you need to do. So it's like, yeah. - I mean, you've already said that you started off like very young pursuing this dream as well. So you're like really determined from a young age. So yeah, I guess it takes a lot of work. - Rise and grind. - And like, there is like, it's like, it's a pretty harsh world. So it's like, you know,

you have to get used to people saying harsh stuff to you, if that makes sense. - Oh, don't worry, we've been there. We've talked about this a lot. - As YouTube. - It's like, yeah. And obviously because there's people on the internet as well, but there's the people around you, like saying like this, you need to work on this, you need to work on that. And this part of your acting or this part of you, you need to fix and stuff like that. So, yeah.

- It's good though, being open to criticism, right? Obviously, if there's someone who's higher up and they know what they're talking about, it's invaluable to get someone to be like, "You're shit, but you can get better. "Let me tell you how." Pyramid scheme. - Trade deal. - But I know,

Because when you go to school, the voice acting school in Japan, it's like the teachers there, some teachers are really, really strict. So I know some students who used to go there, but because the teachers were too strict, I don't think they were able to take it mentally. And they kind of started not coming to school and stuff like that. It's definitely not a job for everyone. Trial by fire. Trial by fire, right? In such a competitive industry, it's bound to happen.

- Yeah. - Especially in the entertainment industry as well, I'm sure. I'm sure there's a lot of stories that we will never hear them like today. - No fucks given. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like if you suck, you suck. You know, that's all it is. - I am curious, as a professional voice actress who's like been in the field, what do you think of the V tubing scene that's just like popped up in the last year and a bit? - Oh, well, I think it's pretty cool because, you know,

I haven't really like done YouTube before. - Yeah, yeah. - But you know, 'cause you use your voice and you're kind of like- - Playing a character. - Yeah, yeah. - A lot of people are just playing an anime character, but just like they're just never, they never break character or like try to stay in character for as much as possible, right? - Yeah, yeah. So it's like, you're acting as like a character on YouTube, but it's not the real you. So you have to kind of like,

I think it's really cool because you have to think so much about the character and like how that character would act if something happens. - Is that something you've ever like thought about getting into at all or trying out? - Not really, but I think it'll be fine if I was able to try doing VTubing. - 'Cause I feel like VTubing is such a weird line between like acting as a character, but also like a lot of VTubers also put themselves into the role as well and kind of break character.

So I feel it's just like another set of skills. - Why build a character when you already are one, right? Like just use your personality. - Yeah, exactly. - Spoken like a true person. - What can I say? - You know what? You'd be a great animal VTuber. Just like, don't be a cat girl, just be a cat. Just like make animal noises. - There is a VTuber actually that is just straight up a dog. - Really? - Yeah, like it's just like a Shiba Inu. But they speak in like a human.

- You don't need to hide to an anime girl. You've already done that before. - Someone gives you $10 just meow. - No, because like I feel like there's a lot of, I don't know, like do you see a lot of people when you're filled doing V tubing or is it like, is it something that's,

has just been so new that no one's really known how to like deal with it yet? Oh, it's pretty new. So I don't really know anyone around me who's like done VTubing before. Right. But like, yeah, because it's becoming really like,

There's like so many like VTubers on YouTube. I think, you know, there will be like a day when. - When professional voice actors are coming soon. - I feel though it's like, maybe it might just be like a completely different category, right? It's like, I feel a lot of like the professional voice actors who have like

and made it in the industry. Probably think like, oh, I don't really need to go down there 'cause I got, I'm getting roles and this thing. Whereas like VTube is a like kind of, a lot of them I feel are aspiring voice actors who just wanna build up a CV. I can do voices, I can voice act, all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I feel like going from VTubing to professional voice acting might be a viable option, but I feel the other way around might not really happen.

- I don't know. - Maybe, I don't know. But like, I know like, you know, like acting for games and anime is really different to acting for like VTubing. So it's like, yeah, I don't know. - You're not on script, are you? Have you ever been starstruck when you're on the job? - What do you mean by starstruck?

- As in like you did enough with like a voice actor or actress that you just loved even since before. - Yeah. - Like who's the most like, whoa person you've ever met? - Oh really? - Yeah.

- I need a little context too. - Otsuka Akio is like, yeah, Snake. He did "Salt Snake". - Oh, okay, wow. - Like he's the kind of, he's the guy that, he has that really distinct like talking style where it's like, I can't do an impression. - Yeah, I can't do that. - Please, try, try. - Oh my God, he's kind of like the, I'm trying to remember.

- Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, Nabi does a really good old-school acumen. It's just like the soul of snake voice. But he's probably like the top five. He's like a fucking legend. - Yeah, yeah. - Does he meme a lot on Twitter? - I follow him on Twitter, so I don't know. - I feel like he does, right? No? Oh, I know the English voice stuff.

- David Hayter, I know David Hayter. - I feel that, yeah, again, I feel the biggest like memers are usually the ones that are kind of like the legends, but I feel like even within the legends, a lot of them take their stuff like very, very seriously. Like the voice for like Luffy, for example, it's like, you never see her like memeing or anything like that. The voice for Gintoki is like fucking,

whatever. - He's just like playing his character, right? He's literally gintoki in real life. - How did you stay composed when you walk in the room with that? - Well. - It was so nerve wracking because I don't know, 'cause I've seen him in magazines and I've read his books and like,

It was just- - Did you play it cool? - I tried. I tried, but I don't know if I was able to. But there was like all these other like voice actors as well who were like really big, right? So it's just, I don't know. For me, it was really hard to like,

- In front of them? - Yeah. - Because they're like super, super good. And you're like, you just came into the industry and you're like. - The bottom of the round. - Hierarchy. - No, pyramid scheme. - Pyramid scheme. - Sorry, pyramid scheme. - Have you guys ever been starstruck?

- I think we've talked about this probably for me it was like Hiroyuki Slamano. I think I've already told the story. - Have you ever gotten that with like a YouTuber? - Like someone in the same field as you? - I don't think so. - I don't think so either. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't know. - I don't

- They're all so boring. I just sit inside of them. - I would be lying if I said I wasn't like that with Felix the first time. - Yeah. - Yeah, of course. I mean, like for me, YouTubers, I view YouTubers as just like people I want to hang out with. - Yeah. - You know, 'cause like we all do the same thing at the end of the day. I feel like once you get past a certain like level

or you kind of get how- - A certain rank. - A certain rank in the hierarchy. Like all YouTubers kind of like get each other. We all gotta go through like the same shit. - Are you a big consumer of YouTube content? - Yeah, I watch a lot of YouTube. - Really, in English? - In English and Japanese. - Well, you have a YouTube channel, right?

- I have a YouTube channel too. - Wait, no, I think I did watch one actually. - Oh really? - Yeah. - I watched like your introduction video on the YouTube channel. I'm like, wow, this chick is very Aussie. Like holy shit, she's so Aussie. - Did you do a video where you did a test to see how Aussie you were? - Oh yeah, I did. - Okay, I watched that one. - With the slang? - Yeah, yeah. - 'Cause I'm not really fond of like Australian slang. - It's terrible. Arvo, it's nonsense.

- What do you mean? That's not slang. - Or like, do you want a cuppa? - We say that. - Cuppa's good. - Cuppa's good. It doesn't end with O, so that's how we know. - I don't know why Aussies end everything with O. - It's just rolls off the tongue.

- Like I've never used Bottle-O. - You never used Bottle-O? - I've never used Bottle-O before. - That's a liquor store for you. - You're just adding a syllable to a word that doesn't need a syllable added to it. I don't know. - But like Bottle-O I feel is like, who the fuck came up with that? It's a word, let me end a word that ends in a vowel with another vowel. - So non-native speakers, Bottle-O is the slang for bottle, right? - No, it's the slang for liquor store.

- You just thought it was a bottle this whole time. - I thought it was just a bottle this whole time. Joey says that, I'm just like, what the fuck are you talking about, Joey? - How long have you known Joey for? - Not long enough, apparently. - If you say like, I'm just popping out to the bottle. - Okay, apparently for even native speakers, we get fucking confused as well. - It's like, oh, I'm just gonna pop over to the bottle. It means like, I'm gonna go buy some alcohol at the liquor store.

- Liquor store. - Oh my God. Sorry, Americans. We've hurt you too much. - Yeah, sorry. Maybe we've been too harsh on you. - So what are some of your favorite YouTube channels? What do you watch? - I watch a YouTube channel called Jolly. - Yeah, I think you mentioned that earlier, right? - Yeah, yeah. - What else? - And I watch a lot of animal videos on YouTube.

- Give us a taste, give us a taste. I wanna get a better feel of your character. - I watch, my favorite dog is called a Samoyed. It's like a huge white dog. - What's the YouTube channel? What's it about? - The channel is called Milky Bulky Tan. And it's like a YouTube channel that has a Samoyed dog and two cats. And it's just,

- Them living their life. - You just watch that? - It's an animal slice of life. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, that sounds nice. Is this maybe practice or what? - Or maybe. - Is this more like, is this research for roles? - Sure it is, sure it is. - And it's funny because for like animal YouTube videos, like the owners are called butlers.

- What? - They're called butlers because they take care of the pets. - I didn't know that. Oh my God. - Oh wow. - Yeah, so like- - Animal YouTube terminology. - Yeah. - How do they ask you to like and subscribe and smash the like button?

- They go. - On the screen. - Yeah, it just comes out of subtitles. - So you mainly watch animal videos? - Yeah, I mainly watch animal videos. - There is one animal channel actually that I watch quite often. It's this like Korean channel, I think, that it's this guy who has like a pet. I think it's a Guinea pig.

but he makes miniature models for the guinea pig. - Oh, I've seen this one. - Oh, really? - So like he uses like arts and crafts and like cardboard and stuff like that. And he made like an onsen for his guinea pig, like a sound booth for his guinea pig. And just like puts the guinea pig in and just like sees what the guinea pig does. Cute as hell.

- Actually, no, I did get into like, there was like, there's like ant, ant YouTubers. - Oh, those fucking suck. - They're bad ants. - Okay, those are good. - Basically, it starts off with like, all right, well, he's just got a tank full of ants. And then like the next video will be like, I have made a giant castle network of ants and his whole like living room will be like tunnels of ants. It's crazy.

- Was that the guy who was like, who fed the baby cockroach? - Yeah. - And like the cockroach gives birth as it's getting eaten alive by ants and it's got like a hundred million years or something. And I'm just like. - I can't watch insects. - Yeah, right?

- I just think of like what happens if one of these breaks? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's what I'm constantly thinking. - The house, it must be like quarantined off, like burn it down. - It's literally a kill it with fire kind of situation, right? You just gotta fucking burn the house down. - It's also like how do you bring like a girl into that house, right? - Oh yeah, my bedroom's just past the end, sliding 50 feet out of the way. - It's like, so what do you do for a job? It's like, let me show you.

- There's YouTubers that, I know there's one that like reviews like rat traps. That's a whole channel. - What? - I actually kind of like it. - Why am I saying one? Of course there's a channel for that. - It's like a whole channel where the dude just reviews rat traps. That's it. He like shows them. - What makes a good rat trap? - Well, you should watch the YouTube channel. - Now you got me curious. - How many types of rat traps could there possibly be? - I think he has like over like 500 videos on like different rat traps. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, Sean was. - Of course fucking Meilyne knows it.

- Yeah, my favorite. - This guy will make some insane trap and in the end, the one that works best is always just like a ramp that goes into a bucket. That's just like the one that always works best. Anyways, I'm getting off topic, but there is a weird category for anything you want on YouTube, someone's diet. - If it exists, there's a YouTube channel for that. - But you make your own YouTube videos, right? - Yes, I do. - Do you do it often? What's the channel called first so people can check it out? - It's called ShoeTube for anyone who wants to search it up. - It'll be on screen right now.

- Go subscribe. - Yes, please. Oh, wherever it is. - Down in the description. - What type of content do you normally do? - I usually talk in English and I just, I don't know, I just make stuff about English and Japanese food, like cultural differences and stuff like that. - Culture stuff. - Yeah, culture stuff. - Do you like bring like the Australian side a lot or? - I think I do. - I think, yeah, I think I do, yeah. - What made you wanna start it?

- That's the most stumped you've been all day. Oh my gosh, I'm sorry. - I think I just saw the life's flash in between our eyes right there. - Why did I? - I heard that question reverb. - Why'd you start, start, start, start?

- I don't know, just 'cause you wanted to. - Yeah, I just wanted to because- - All the cool kids are starting YouTube. - I'm interrogating, I'm like, you think you're a Reddit kid, huh? - Oh, you're a voice actress? Let's see you become a YouTuber then, okay.

- Yeah, so if people wanna go check out the YouTube channel, it's in the description. So go check it out. - Yes, please. - Now you should make a video being like the truth about Trash Taste. - Easy million views. - Trash Taste exposed. - My experience on Trash Taste. I can't believe there was such nice guys. - There was all these weirdos

- I kept saying penetrating really weirdly. There was incest for some reason. - There was a woman who like put up the incest like thing. Oh yeah, can you show it? - Be me. And you see just this. - That's what made me held up. - You just see this off screen. And you're just like, what am I supposed to do with this, Meilyne? What am I supposed to do with this? - It's not just incest, there's three fucking exclamation points. Like, incest!

Like it's a fucking quick time event. - Well, I heard someone was doing like a sponsor or something and it was a live event. Apparently someone was holding up like cards telling them to do reactions. And apparently the words they wrote on the card were just like nonsensical. And they just didn't know what they meant. I can just imagine being confused. You're like trying to promote a bike and they're like, "Dry." And you're like, "What did you say with that?" "Dry, dry." And the bike dries, it dries very fast.

- When you were describing your experience about how when you like flab up a line, you just gotta like stay silent and just walk back. I really hope that you don't see when we need to record like a sponsorship segment. 'Cause us trying to like read a script is just like a fucking bomb going off. It's an absolute mess. It's like for some reason, I don't know what it is, but the moment we get past the script, it's like, you must learn English from scratch once again. You are not native in this language. - True.

- Especially Garnt. - Yeah, Garnt. - Yeah, I'm the worst. - Oh really? - Our sponsors take twice as long as they should 'cause Garnt is just like having a mental breakdown halfway through. He's like, "I can't do it. I can't speak English." - The window's shut down like, "Dun, dun, dun, dun." It just happens. It's like, "Garnt, come back." - So I'm just having you guess it, but I'm guessing that you like anime, right? - Yes. - It was just like a feeling. - Controversial. - Just like, I just got that vibe. I don't know where I got it from. So what kind of anime do you like?

- I watch a lot of anime. I like- - Really, name every anime. - Oh, you're an anime fan? - I like "Creamy Mommy."

- That's not the first show that I would have expected coming from your mouth. - I really like "Creamy Mummy". - When I first heard that. - What's "Creamy Mummy"? - It's like, there's a girl called Mummy. - Right, she's creamy. - Yeah, she's really creamy. - She's a hella creamy dog. - It's a very unfortunate name in English. - That's what I was thinking, right? - Yeah, it's very unfortunate. - It's like a magical girl anime. - Oh, that one, that one, that one, okay. - I think it was aired in like the 1980s or something.

- Yeah, that's your favorite? - Yeah. Recent anime is I watch Boku no Hero Academia. - Of course, of course. - Haikyuu! Maoru Ping Drum.

- Psychopaths? - Yeah. - Like the list, Violet Evergarden. - Oh, damn. - I love how you, so Japanese. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The weebs watching this are just frothing right now. It's like, "Oh, Japanese." I feel like I'm listening to one of those PVs that you see, right? Violet Evergarden.

- I watch "Attack on Titan". - Hell yeah. - What else do I watch? I watch so much "Neverland". - Did you watch season two? - Not yet.

- I know I can already tell that you watch quite a fair bit considering the fact that not only was your first choice "Kurimi Mami" but also the fact that you brought up "Milder Penguin Drum". - Yeah, yeah. - And "Psycho Pass" as well. - I love "Psycho Pass". - I just kept nodding with that penguin one. I'm like, yeah. - "Milder Penguin Drum" is like,

- How do you explain that? - It's really hard to explain. - It's such a weird show. - Yeah, yeah. - You've definitely seen clips of it though, probably. - Yeah, yeah. - It's got a lot of animals. - Yeah, it's got a lot of- - Which makes a lot of sense. - I think I'm seeing a theme here now. - Do you like Beastars by any chance? - Oh, I watch Beastars. - Hell yeah. - Hell yeah, dude. Of course you do. - Zootopia. - Zootopia. - Zootopia.

- I like pets. - Pets? - Wait, isn't there a movie called "Pets"? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, okay. - Like the Pixar or Disney film. - I thought you were just saying, I like having animals. - I mean, I do like having animals, but.

Oh my god. So what were some of the anime that were like the biggest influences for you to be a voice actress when you were a kid? I think Bleach was... Bleach? Wow. I mean, yeah, because obviously Hitsugaya was voiced by a lady and all the actors were like...

- I mean, they were cool as fuck. We've said a lot about Bleach, but I mean, everything about it was cool. - Especially Hitsugai, right? Like Romy Park is such an amazing voice. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think she did Alphonse as well, right?

- No, no, she did "Edward". - Oh, she did "Edward". - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I would know that. - Yeah, yeah. - And she's Hanji from "Attack on Titan". - That's right. - Oh yeah. - Oh, that's it. - Yeah, yeah. She's like, wow. - Yeah, did you like, when you were trying to get into the voice acting field or like how much research did you do with like fellow voice actresses in the field or like fellow like voice actors?

- As in like what kind of research? - Like just like looking into it, right? Because I know there are some fans out there in the anime field who like really, really into like the voice actors and voice actresses, right? - Right, right. - Were you like that as well? Were you like- - Yeah. - Say you were talking. - Yeah, I was like- - Say you were talking. - I had like posters of voice actors on my wall and I would have like them as my back, like,

- Yeah. And so like, I would like search like, you know, who voiced like, who, like, I would be like, when I watch an anime, I'll always watch the credits. I'll be like, oh, like, you know, this was voiced by this, like this voice actor and I'm like, ah, and so like, yeah. - Did you ever like have, did you ever sit through an anime just because of like a particular voice actor was in it?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I feel, 'cause I have a couple of friends who are like seiyuu otakus as well and they're like, they can hear like half a second of a phrase and they're immediately like, "Yep, that's that one." - Yeah, yeah. - Instantly know it. Did you ever get to the point where you bought like voice CDs? - Oh yeah. - Oh my God. - What's this? - It's like,

There's a lot of like different kinds of voice CDs out in the world. And there's like, like there's like voice dramas and there's also ones where they kind of like talk to you. Talk to you? It's like, it's like think of, think of a podcast, except,

except you're doing the podcast with them and it's in like POV. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, this became a- - POV, you're part of trash. - It's like an ASMR thing on YouTube now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So I guess they made it. - Yeah, yeah. - And they use like- - But they act as those characters. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- They also have, like they have these microphones and it's kind of like, it's shaped like a person's face. - The binaural. - Yeah, yeah. And then they use that to take some of the audio. So it's like, sometimes you hear the audio from the right side and it kind of seems like they're there. - Oh, it's like the ASMR. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, it's the ASMR mic. - Norman made a mic and it's literally like a foam head.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's super fucking expensive though. - Yeah, it's really fucking weird to look at as well. 'Cause you're talking into like a fake head. It looks really weird.

But it's like, but it's, yeah. So for I think decades now, these like voice actors do these like drama CDs where they were like, for example, like, you know, Romy Park would do one of Hitsugaya and it's like, if Hitsugaya was like hanging out with you, like if you were on a date with this particular character and they were like, they would play out these scenarios in POV of like, if you were in that position and like people would just like listen to it.

- I mean, I've seen like some of the short anime that have that are kind of like that where it's just like POV, you have a girlfriend. It's just like every episode there's like a different girl. - It's literally Dora the Explorer.

- Because I've seen some where they're like, they would say a line and then they kind of pause for a couple seconds waiting for your response. - I think I remember I loved Code Geass when I finished Code Geass, I need more Code Geass. And they're like, the story continues in an audio CD. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Like a voice prompt. - I got it and it just sounded like a museum tour. You know what I mean? And I was like, what is this? I can't listen to this. - It's like, welcome to Britannia. - It's like, Britannia was once here. And I was like, what the fuck is this? - It's like a lecture. - Yeah, what the fuck is this?

- What is this? I don't wanna listen to this. - Say your tacos, dig that shit up, man. - I've actually only bought one audio CD in my entire time of being an anime fan. - What was it? - "Love Hina." - Yeah, dude.

- Wait, who? - Huh? - Of who? - No, it was like an audio drama. So it was because it ended and I'm just like, I need more. The manga's not doing it for me. I need to hear the voice actors and actresses playing out the ending of this. And so I fucking bought it and it's the only audio drama I've bought so far. And I don't regret anything. It was amazing. - I think the closest I ever got to that was I used to tune in 'cause a lot of voice actors, especially the top ones do

radio shows. - Oh yeah, they do. - Like talking about their role in the anime of like, you know, if they like work together on an anime or whatever, and they would, you know, go for like however long the anime spans for basically. So like the closest I ever got to that was I used to like tune in every week to Kaji Yuuki and Shimono Hiro, like Attack on Titan, like radio.

And it was really cool because like they would openly just like kind of poke fun at the show a lot of times as well. But it's also like, I mean, yeah, you guys are the voices of the show. So I guess they give you like some credit to be like, that was kind of ridiculous, wasn't it? - Is it still a big thing in Japan, the audio CDs? - It is. I think it's getting bigger now. - Wow. I guess MP3s are easier to sell, right?

- And I mean, like we just established it's more about building yourself up as like a kind of like an idol in some cases, right? - Is there like anything, I mean, how long, how many years have you been doing voice acting now? Like professionally? - Five years now, 'cause I debuted in 2016. - Right. - So five years now. - Five years now. Is there any like voice role or like type of character that you haven't done yet that you really, really wanna do?

Like I wanna do like a tsundere or I wanna do like a maid or like just, you know, any like archetypes that you wanna do. - I wanna try like a boy.

- I guess that's the Romi Park in it. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's a guy right there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, Shonen. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean like a lot of like kind of younger boy characters are voiced by females, aren't they? - Yeah, yeah, they are. - 'Cause you know, people keep forgetting that like Ash or like Naruto are voiced by females. - And Luffy as well. - Luffy is voiced by females or Goku is voiced by females. - Kids are expensive.

- Kids normally don't have proper voice acting training. - What do you mean goo goo ga ga? I said do the line. - So have a testy pop off.

- Yeah, exactly. Jesus Christ. - Oh my God, if Goku was voiced by a young boy and he just fucking has a testy pop, halfway through a Kamehameha. - We need more voice cracks in anime. That's what we need. We need more realistic representations of puberty.

Hell yeah. Have you ever done any events where you meet your fans or anything like that? Yes, I have. I'm in this like a vocal dance unit called Prima Porta. Okay. And we had like this thing called Watashikai where we like hand the CDs to the people who bought the CDs. Right, right. And yeah, we were able to like talk to the fans for like...

- 30 seconds a minute. - Speed run that. - Yeah, really speedy. But yeah, yeah. - Is it kind of like the same thing as in like with like, I know a lot of the Watashi guy with like idols for instance. - It's the handshaking event. - Yeah, but the time extends depending on how many CDs you bought. - Oh, we didn't have that. It was kind of like,

- Hierarchy. - Yeah. - Did you have to do a handshaking thing as well? - Oh no, we didn't do handshaking. It was more like waving and just talking. - Waving in close proximity. - I saw videos of like guys not letting go and like security like dragging them. - Oh yeah. - So scary. - Yeah, it's a risk. Yeah, definitely. - Is it weird? Like when the first time that you had to do that, is it a weird feeling to be like, wow, these people came for me. - Yeah, it feels weird.

- It feels really like, 'cause you know, like on the internet, like SNS, like you don't know how many people are actually like into you. Like, I mean, they might comment and stuff like that, but you don't know like if they're really, really like, you know, like- - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We feel the same. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then, so when you actually go and like meet people and they're like, "Oh my gosh, I've been wanting to meet you for like so long." You're like, "I'm so glad I did this job."

- I'm so glad I defied my parents. - It makes it all worth it to you. You feel like, wow, somebody cares. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like being able to meet all those people. And even if you can't like talk to everyone, just seeing them and like, you know, when you attend events and stuff and they're like calling out your name, it's like,

- Like, you know, you feel really happy, so. - Like, for me? - Yeah, yeah. - You're sharing it for me? - Yeah, yeah. - Oh my God. - Yeah. - You're the best mate. - Yeah, yeah. - Best POV of my life.

- That's also fun. Do you go to many events then? Now I imagine it's not so much. - Yeah, yeah. But yeah, like before like this all happened, like I used to like attend events pretty often and- - Have you been on the other side? - Yes, I actually have. Like before going into this industry, like I'll buy tickets to like concerts and lives and I'll be like,

I'll be like- - Buy the CDs. - I'll buy the CDs and I'll buy the goods. - She waved at me. - It'd be really awkward if you turn up to the voice session, they'd be like, "Why do I know you? "I swear I met you." "Where did you come from?" You're like, "No way, no way." - It was funny 'cause one time I went to a concert and it was a female voice actors concert and her fans were mostly male.

but I really liked her. So like I went there by myself and all the fans were like male, right? So like, it'll be like one girl and all these males. And because I think they thought that it was really rare that a girl would come to that concert. They were kind of like, to me, like, oh, if I get too like noisy using like the blades, like, please let me know. Like, kyou wa yoroshiku onegaishimasu. Wow. I don't know.

I don't mean to brag, but I can wave these bad boys for time. Yo, yo, is this your first concert? Let me show you how pro he does it. Sorry, let me put away my gun. I felt the exact same way when I went to the Sailor Moon Museum. Oh,

'Cause it was like five years ago in the Moriarty Museum in Roppongi. And they had a Sailor Moon museum and I was like, I fucking love Sailor Moon. So I went. Imagine room full of just like tiny Japanese girls, they're falling over Sailor Moon. Meanwhile in the middle of it, there's this massive white dude. Just be like, that's so fucking cute. Oh my God, dude, I fucking love Mercury.

I've never had so many women stare at me for all the wrong reasons. That was the weirdest experience of my life. - You do not belong here. - They're all looking at me like, "What? Is he like Star-Floated? Why is he here?" - Security right there. - It's like, "What? Am I not allowed to like Sailor Moon? Fuck you." - Yeah, but is there any like kind of social media that you want to shout out? Like I guess your YouTube channel. Anything you want to shout out to the audience? - I have a Twitter account.

- People wanna follow it. - They will follow. - Just follow, follow, follow, follow. We'll do it for you. - Also Shu's YouTube channel. - ShuTube. - ShuTube. - What else do you have Shu? - That's all I have. - That's it? - Yeah. - No TikTok? - No TikTok, no Instagram. - How do you do the trendy dances?

Yeah, actually TikTok would be like the perfect platform to show off all your skills that you literally trained years for. That's true. Like your singing skills that you literally had to hide it from your mom. Yeah. Your voice acting skills. Oh yeah. You can literally do that on TikTok. Maybe I should download TikTok. Follow Tritta. Yeah. Go. Buy her drama CDs. Yes please. POV, you are a princess. And listen to her in your favorite anime. Yeah. Yes please. And games. And games. And everything. And everything. Yeah.

- Yes. - Yeah, check out her stuff. But in the meantime, you can check out the lovely patrons who are just on screen right now. - Oh my God. - Yeah. Who's your favorite patron Shu? Is it that one? That one? - Point somewhere on the screen. - What? What? - That'll be Woods. - This one. - Oh, that's a good one. Oh, I like that one. - Dropping at the mouth.

But yeah, if you'd like to support the show, then make sure to head on over to our Patreon, patreon.com slash trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us your memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our faces, listen to us on Spotify. But yeah, thanks for coming, Shu. Thank you for inviting me. It was really fun. I hope you had fun. It was really fun. Even through some of the dodgy words that we used or whatever. Shu's manager is just like sweating. I'm sorry you had to see this off screen. That was like a bad... We can hold on to that for any like emergent...

- For any like emergency situations, we can just like- - If ever there's a situation, I'll just be like- - One day, one day, Meilyne's gonna be like, "Guys, I have the perfect thing to show." We'll keep it for the next Hentai episode. - Yeah, definitely. - But yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed this episode and we'll see you guys next one. - Bye.