The Conspiracy Theory Episode | Trash Taste #180
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- Welcome back to Trash Taste, the most controversial show on the internet. I'm your host Joey and I'm joined by my skeptical co-host Connor and Garnt. - We're about to make it even more controversial guys. - That's right. As if we haven't said a bunch of controversial shit in our careers already, this episode is gonna be full of them because we're gonna be talking about

a number of conspiracy theories that have been floating around on the internet and basically have a discussion as to whether they are in fact legit or not.

- Okay, okay, okay. - To preface this, I don't fucking believe any of this bullshit. I'll just say that right now. So I'm kind of- - Well, well, well. We haven't gone through a lot of them yet. - The mind wavers. - Yeah. - But we're gonna take it in turns, right? We have to try and convince our other co-hosts of the legitimacy of these. So you're gonna go first, for example. - Yeah, so just so we all have a fair chance of being devil's advocate, we're gonna take it one,

slash conspiracy at a time. And yeah, I'm gonna be listing out the points of certain conspiracies, discussing it, see what we think. - And this is all just for fun, just to preface. Apologies, Mudon, for the amount of fact checking you're gonna need to fucking do for this singular episode. This is gonna be probably more work in a single episode than the entire year's worth of like trash taste. - This window is gonna appear more times than you'll ever see. - This reminded me of the time

where I presented a conspiracy theory thinking it was real class. I told you about this guys, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So clearly it can be a little bit dangerous to believe any of this shit, but to be honest, none of this shit is any evidence at all. It's all fake. However, it is fun to poke fun and pretend that- - And it's fun to just entertain interesting thoughts, right? - Entertain the theories. - Dangerous thoughts. - This is all meant just for fun. We're just here just to poke fun at some of the more ridiculous sides of things. - It's just a theory.

- Oh God. - A conspiracy theory. - So the FNAF law that's just-

- All right, let's start off. I've got one, which is probably, I would say the grandfather of ridiculous hoaxes, the moon landing hoax. - Okay, is it a hoax? I thought you believed it. - Well, see, I'm just saying the official title of it. I don't believe it's a hoax. - You believe that what? You believe the moon landing was real? - Sis, I got the receipts. Don't worry about it, all right? So the basic conspiracy is that some people believe, or that- - I thought you believe it. - Some people,

AKA believe that the US government fake the Apollo moon landing in 1969 during the Cold War. - The Apollo moon landing? - Yes. - Why would they fake it? - Well, it's...

- Let me read my points that I wrote down. - I thought you believed it. - Yeah, no, no, I'm just refreshing my own memory. The government faked the Polar Moon landings during the Cold War to claim victory in the space race over the Soviet Union with proponents arguing that anomalies in photos and videos proved the landings were staged on Earth. - So you believe that,

you know, because the Russians, they were crushing it. They'd sent dogs up. Russians were crushing it. Sending weird shit up in space. Oh, yeah. They were like, fuck, guys, we're going to lose this. We've got to film some stuff right now. Get James Cameron...

- Actually the theory was they didn't get James Cameron. They got, what's the director's name? - Alfred, no, no, Alfred. - 2001 Space Odyssey was his name. - Stanley Kubrick. - Stanley Kubrick. - That's it. - I mean, look how well shot it is. I wouldn't be surprised. - I mean, it is cinematic. - I've seen every Kubrick film. I sense a little bit of a similarity. - Do you feel a similar direction?

- Oh yeah. - Oh right, right. - Oh totally, totally. 2001 took a lot of inspiration. - You must have some kind of evidence to present to us. - All right, so well for one, all right. For one, very easy to spot, right? In the photos of the moon landing, right? Have you noticed there are no stars in the background?

- I mean, we're in space, right? - The photographs from the moon don't show any stars in the sky. - Isn't that explained there by- - Look at that, it's pitch black. Explain that shit. - Okay. - That is a backdrop. That is a green screen back there.

- Have you ever tried to take a picture in snow? It's like really white, right? - Yeah. - And so it's very reflective as the moon surface. And so when the light is hitting the moon surface, right? If you need to get the camera to expose properly, it won't show up the tiny little dots in the background. - Connor, I don't know if you've noticed, the moon is not white.

- No, but it's very gray. - It's very reflective though. - Connor, you're confusing me with... - Hold on a second. - Do you know how camera exposure works? - Yes, yes, I do know. - If something is super white and you point the camera at it and you're trying to make it that like the bright thing is in a normal color, AKA the surface of the moon, 'cause a bunch of sun is just hitting it.

- Yeah. - Right? It's very bright. So if you will need to make it look like a normal picture, you need to like underexpose the thing. So the little dots in the sky aren't gonna show up when you're taking a picture. - Well, okay. In that- - So that's why that is. - In that same vein, look at these photos, all right? Look at these photos. Have you noticed then how incredibly well lit they are?

Where is the light source? - The fucking sun. - Other than the studio lights. - The giant sun. Have you been outside? - Yeah. - The lighting's impeccable sometimes. - Yeah, but you can't see the sun while the moon is out. - Wait, wait, wait. - That is standard. - What do you think they took the moon when it's out? What do you mean by that? Explain that. - It was during the nighttime.

- Clearly, and those lights are artificial studio lights. That's why they're so well lit. - Wait, why do you think it's the night time? - Is that actually on the bullet point list? - That is on the bullet point. - Is that on the bullet point list? - Inconsistencies in the direction and length of shadows in the photographs are cited as evidence of artificial lighting suggesting that the scenes were shot on a film set. - No.

- Yeah. - Wait, no, no. - Okay. - No. - Yeah. - No. What do you mean? Are you agreeing with him? - All right, all right, all right. I'm gonna bring up something like completely tangential. - Oh my God, what now? - Because...

- Shadows, okay? Shadows. - Yeah. - I understand what they are like- - My favorite hedgehog. - Yeah, I understand what they are conceptually, but like sometimes they're just fucking weird to me. So I was like sitting on my, I was like sitting on my, I was sitting on my terrace the other day and I could see like a shadow within a shadow, right? And I'm like,

- Huh, okay. So I understand that shadows and darkness is the absence of light. - Yes. - Right? - Yes. - And I know it's kind of something to do with photons. I mean, fucking lights is just weird. - You just described what a shadow is. - Okay, okay, okay. - What are you getting at, Garnt? What are you getting at? - How the fuck does light work?

I don't fucking understand light, all right? This light is just fucking weird to me. Is it like a particle or is it a wave or is it both or is it neither? Why can like, I don't understand. - As someone who studied quantum physics, let me tell you, okay? Light is both a particle and a wave. It is called the particle wave duality. - That's fucking stupid. That is stupid.

Which is interesting because light is the only thing that acts like that. And scientists to this day do not know how that works. - I think they have some understanding, but not quite the full picture. - Because people used to argue that, oh, it's a wave, right? Because it can pass through a vacuum like in space, right? Particles cannot pass through in space, right? But particles, light is also affected by gravity, which waves are not, or particles are.

- Yeah, light is treated like a particle which is called photons, which is what Einstein proved. But sometimes it also acts like a wave. - I feel like we're spreading so much misinformation already in like five minutes. - I mean, everything I said was correct. - I don't know, maybe we'll fact check, we'll see. - Yeah, yeah, okay. - So light bounces off something then into your eyes, right? You know that, right? - Yes, yeah, yeah. - Okay, so that's also the basic concept of how you would understand shadows. - So what is a shadow?

- It's the lack of light. - Yeah, it's the lack of light. 'Cause there's more like if these lights are bright at us, we're blocking some lights. It's gonna be darker behind us, right? - Yeah, I don't know why. Like to me, like in my mind, like shadow should be like on or off thing. There is either a shadow or not. I don't like- - No, you know there's different levels of shadows. - Yeah, I know there's different levels, but my mind just doesn't compute that for some reason. Like how can that like-

- Like a shadow is a gradual thing. Not like a, it's like, oh, here's where the shadow starts and the shadow ends. - Yeah. I'm trying to like compute how that works scientifically in terms of like how light is modeled, I guess. And I never like fully understood that. And I don't know if this, this is just like a me thing. So I'm getting completely off topic here. - Isn't it like the Antumbra, the Penumbra and the Umber, right? That's like the three levels of the shadows. - I don't know music theory, Jerry.

- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. - There's three levels of shadows from lightest to the darkest part of the shadow. That's the Antumbra, the Penumbra and the Umbra. - Is that how it works? - Yeah. - This is like something that's completely fucking new to me. - I mean, it's not like a harsh cutoff, right? It's kind of like dissipate slowly. - Yeah, Umbra, Penumbra and Antumbra. - Oh, okay, okay. - Look at this dude. - Well, I'm learning something new every day, okay. - That's why the Pokemon is called Umbreon.

- Because it's named after Umbra, the shadow. - Okay. - Anyway, moon landing. That's what we're talking about. - Yeah, moon landing, okay. - Okay, so the question is right, there are inconsistencies in not only how much light there is, but also the direction of the shadows.

- Yeah. - Okay. And another thing is the flag, okay? The American flag, you know, the day that America claimed the moon, obviously, because America is the rifle owner of the moon, right? The American flag appears to flutter in photos and videos from the moon, which should be impossible since there is no air in the moon's atmosphere to cause movement. What's causing the movement?

- Is there movement? I thought, I know that they put wire in the flag, so that's why it's like upright. - Supposedly. - Yeah, but there is movement. It kind of looks like the flag is like waving around if you look at some of the footage which I've seen, but that can be explained of just like, you're moving the pole, which is still sending a force down to like the flag part of it. - Yeah, isn't there also, I know like intense light can cause like small movements.

I can't remember how I remember seeing this. - Yeah, that's fucked up. That's another property of light that just like how- - Well, 'cause it has a lot of energy, right? Like solar panel, right? Like how can you just point, like how can you just like fucking hold a thing up to the sun? You're like, oh shit, I can power my car. Like, you know what I mean? There's a lot of energy stored in there. - Yeah, but the fact that you can just- - There's kinetic energy, that's the thing.

- How is that kinetic energy with light? - Because it's a particle. It has mass. Anything with mass that is moving has kinetic energy. - Light does not have mass. - Yes, it does. How is it affected by gravity?

Can we Google this, Kai? Can we Google this? Does light have mass? - There's so much Google. - Light does not have fucking mass. It definitely does not have mass. Light has no mass. Thank you very much. That's why it's so fucked up how little we understand about light. It just makes no fucking sense. Half of our understanding of the universe would be solved if we just understand how light actually fucking works, but it's all guesswork. - All right, new conspiracy theory. Light doesn't exist.

It's just something we made up to answer all the questions that we don't know the answers of. - Yeah, a lot of my questions with light is just like, "Oh, scientists believe that it works this way "and we have to model it this way "because it acts this way and it like exerts." Like the fact that light can, I guess, exert a force to cause movement, that just does not compute in my head, but there's like a model to show that

- That makes sense. Basically the universe just doesn't make sense. - Okay, here's another piece of info then that actually has some scientific backing to it. There is a thing called the Van Allen radiation belt, right? Which is basically this belt on the way between the moon and the earth, right? That has just like a blast of radiation to it. Some claim that astronauts could not have passed through these belts without being subjected to lethal doses of radiation. - You can't just say like fucking,

and be like radiation and I'll be like, yeah, sure, go on then. - But it has a fancy name, it's legit.

- This thing actually does exist, mind you. - What is this? What is this with this Van Allen belt? What is this? - Supposedly it's like this belt of radiation that's emitted from space where it passes through in between the earth and the moon. And if you pass through it, it's a shitload of radiation that the astronauts are gonna be subjected to. So how do they survive that? - I mean, how much radiation are we talking about here? - Lethal doses. - What does that mean? - It means it can kill you.

- Well, I mean like I need some numbers here. - Van Allen radiation belt is a zone of energetic charged particles, most of which originate from the solar wind. So yeah, basically you're getting a blast of solar wind radiation.

- I mean, obviously you would get more radiation than average. Obviously people who like fly a lot, for example, get on average more doses of radiation. But you can get pretty intense doses of radiation and while you might get some side effects later on in life, but you can be okay. So I could believe it that you'd get a higher dose of radiation and be fine for the journey. But maybe later on in life, maybe your balls get a little too big.

- Yeah, so like go through all these points, right? I'm kind of like sussing out, I guess like the origin of conspiracy theories just in general, which is, you know, obviously we are not scientific experts. We have like a bare bones basic enough understanding of science. But when some of these points are presented, I'm like, there was this like line from like "Always Sunny in Philadelphia," which is just like,

that sounds wrong, but I don't have enough knowledge to prove it. - If you give me like an hour or two. - It's just the vibe I get. It's just kind of off. - It just doesn't sound right. I'm sure there's a scientific explanation for that. I'm just not that guy who can provide the right counterpoints to all of these arguments, which brings up the kind of like mental viability to all. So a lot of this stuff, which is- - Why is this like squished? - Yeah, what happened here?

Oh, that's the light doing its work. Conspiracy theory. Yeah, that's the background.

- Yeah, it bends objects. - The fuck is a van Allen bell? - So like the shadows and light, inconsistencies with the direction and length of shadows. I'm like, I'm sure there is an explanation for it. I can't remember what the exact scientific explanation for there being multiple sources of light. Maybe there was not just the sun, but also lighting. I don't know if they had lighting from like the moon

It's like the Apollo moon landing kind of like vehicle as well. That could have been multiple sources of lighting. No stars in the photos. I wasn't sure what Connor was talking about when he was talking about exposure. - I'll point a camera at that right now.

everything else gets darker. So when I point back, everything else lights up when I stopped looking at the intense light source. - Yeah, so I was like wondering what you were talking about when you were talking about snow. I was like, there's no snow on the moon. - No, I'm not talking about snow. Have you ever tried to take a picture in snow? - I get it, I get it now. - Okay, I've saved the best piece of evidence for last then. There was a rock that was photographed on the moon, which appears to have the letter C on it.

which suggests that this is a prop that was used. - What? - They marked it with a C. - Why would that? - Look at that, it says C right there. You see that? Do you see the C? - Okay, but like, how does that prove anything? - Who's going to the moon and writing C on a rock? - That could happen naturally. - Says who?

- It's too clean. - Yeah, it's clean. - It's way too clean. - There's sex clean things that happen in nature all the time. I don't know how the fuck you get like that as being some kind of proof. That's ridiculous. - By the way, I just like to preface, I am 100% joking with all these. - You're doing a good job. - In case the sarcasm is not coming across. - That's like if we just saw like a dick on the moon, like someone had like, it happened to be a crater the size of a cock that, oh wow. - Aliens are trolling bro. - Must've been an alien who likes cock.

- Or a human who likes car. - I mean, what I like about this piece of proof is that it just shows that- - It's fucking dumb, the clutching of swords. - Look at the sea! - It's the sea, guys. - Aside from this, it's just like how, like it's fascinating how the human mind can just pick up patterns and shapes and meaning. And like, you know how sometimes you see like a face or something? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Or like, this is going to be like the weirdest thing, like just-

pop into my mind. But I think that was this picture that showed up on Twitter, semi recently within like the last few months, which is just like, it was a DS case with like the strap of the DS that was placed down on a wooden table.

that kind of looked like someone's ass. - Oh, yes, I did see that. - Do you remember this one? - I did see that. - And you were scrolling down and for a brief second, your mind was- - Everyone was like, "Whoa!" And then you're like, "Oh, wait." - Yeah, I totally remember that. - For a brief second, your mind was just like, "Hey, yo." - "Hey, yo, what?" - And then you were like, "Wait a minute. How did I ever see this?" - Yeah. - I know, yeah.

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- In this theory, you talked to me about fucking Van Allen radiation belts, some scientific concept that you go, but there's a sea in the world. - There's a sea on a rock. - I'm already there sold on this one. I think it's a lot of pieces of whatever evidence that doesn't really feel very strong and they string it together to make something. - Well, I think what's like the moon landing to me is like the OG kind of conspiracy theories. I can't think of another conspiracy theory. - What I'm trying to understand is like,

who started this theory and for what reason? Like if, 'cause if a bunch of Americans started this theory, it makes absolutely no sense. It's like, we got a dub from the Soviet Union and you wanna like make it so that we didn't get the dub? - I think there's just a group of people out there that really get something out of feeling like they're in the minority and figuring something out and feeling smarter than other people.

So I think that a lot of conspiracy theories come from people who like, I just don't trust everything. And I think I know what's up. - Well, I think a pattern we're gonna find with a lot of these conspiracy theories is that a lot of conspiracy theories stem from a lack of trust from an institution. That's kind of where at a core why conspiracy theories, especially a lot of these are formed. You get told something by an institution and people are just like,

But what if they're lying to us? What if I don't trust this institution? - Only alpha males are anti-establishment, right? - Okay. - But let's entertain this thought for a second. Let's just entertain all of these points for a second. - All right, what do you have for us, Kyle? - I think like some of the, one of the biggest counterpoints I've like, aside from like disproving all of these points, right?

I think about like counterpoints, which is one of the biggest ones that has been brought up that I can think of is just think about the amount of people that worked on the moon landing. How big of a team was working on this one fucking project. And you think that for this many years, people would just kept silent

and just said nothing about any kind of lies, any kind of conspiracy theories. And then you think that, you know, the fucking script of "Last of Us 2" could not be developed without it being leaked or any fucking big Marvel movie. And you're like, wait, this is a way bigger event than any of these other events that have been leaked

- Put together with a way bigger team. - Yeah, but see, I like to think that all the conspiracy theorists will say like, "Yeah, but that's because there's a government operating it, and the government is very good at concealing things." Think about how long they were concealing about all the UFO shit before they went out with it.

- Okay, well, that's another- - See, when government is involved, it's very easy to hide shit away from the public eye. - That is a whole nother conspiracy theory. - You're making a conspiracy theory- - I believe there's like a formula. There's like a formula for like how many people would have to be involved to keep this under wraps. And then equally so the likelihood

of like the amount of people you add in, the likelihood of it being like coming out as being faked or if it was faked would have been astronomical. It would have been so easy to leak this 'cause to do any kind of filming thing, you need so many people on set or something, right? You need loads of people here. - That is true. - Yeah. Also, I think a lot of conspiracy theories, there is some kind of unfortunate,

where conspiracy theories have turned out to be true. - Yeah. - And only makes it even harder to have discussions with people who then believe them because then they're like, "Wow, we've had conspiracy theories before." - I also just don't understand why this particular event, because this is such, it doesn't matter what side of the political spectrum you lie on, what kind of beliefs you have, what kind of faiths you have, it's like just this event in itself

the history of humanity is so significant and is just a W for humankind. - That's why people always do conspiracy theories for us. - Yeah, but it's like, why would you not want to celebrate this fucking collective W that is nowadays incredibly rare? - You have that one friend when everyone's happy, they're miserable. And that's kind of how I see it. - Yeah, but I don't want to be friends with that person.

- Well, that's you normally. - Most people aren't really friends with conspiracy theorists. - Oh yeah, except all the conspiracy theorists. - Okay, all right, so I'll give your job of convincing me

- 2.5 out of 10. - Oh, are we doing a rating system? - Yeah. - Okay, okay. As a whole, you know, how would you rate this one in terms of like viability, you know? - Like a two out of 10. - Yeah, I'd say like a two. - You got like one or two points that might throw you off initially and then you do any kind of research and you're like, oh, okay. - I think the only thing that convinced me was the Van Allen ship.

- Well, it's 'cause you don't understand it. - Yeah. - I don't understand it. - Other than that, I'm just like, yeah, there's an explanation for everything. - The worst thing is, because I've seen videos on like moon landing conspiracy theories and stuff like that. So the worst thing is I've heard of all of these points before and I've heard of all the points that debunk

pretty much all of these points. - I can't remember them. - I can't remember them. That just says more about like my own scientific understanding and how much I care as much as it does that these points on a surface level can sound convincing. And even if you hear an explanation for them, it totally makes sense. And I just cannot for the life of me remember them. The shadows and light things, that's throwing me off. 'Cause like, I know there is an explanation. I've heard that explanation.

But maybe my memory's just shit. - Yeah, I'm glad I got it right. The camera wasn't adjusted correctly, the scenery to show the stars.

- Damn straight. - There you go. - All right. - All right Garnt, let's move on to the next conspiracy theory. What do you believe in? - Well, you think the moon landing is a bang conspiracy theory. Let me tell you about the Avengers end game of conspiracy theories, okay? - Okay. - Okay, because I'm gonna tell you about Flatter. - Oh shit. - Because despite

all of the scientific progress we have made in the past few centuries. They are all wrong because did you know that the earth is actually flat? - Okay. - It is flat. - All right. - Yeah. - So tell us how you came to this conclusion Garnt. - All right. - How did you come to this conclusion? - Well, guys, guys, just for a second, just open your mind. - Okay. - I'm opening my mind. - Okay, the sheep,

the sheep will believe that- - I am sheep. - Stop laughing. - As a Welsh person, I take offense to that term, all right? - The sheep will believe that the earth is actually round. But if that were true, the curvature would be more visible to the naked eye. - Whoa! - So when you observe the horizon, what do you see? Do you see a curve?

- What shape is the horizon? - I guess it, from my eye, it would appear flat. - Yeah, it looks pretty, the horizon looks pretty- - Is this straight? Where's the curve? Where is the curve? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. - Okay. - Okay. - Okay. - Very compelling so far. - All right. - My eyes do deceive me. - All right. Not forgetting gravity as well. How the hell does that make sense?

Gravity, this invisible force. - Okay, okay, okay. - So you're telling me that I could be upside down, but still be right side up? - Yes. - Okay, okay. To counterpoint the first one,

I kind of point the first one. I think how they did it was they did an experiment where they were like, they went out into like an open field where like the horizon was clearly visible. And they were like, all right, I'm just gonna keep walking into the horizon basically. And if the earth is flat, as you say it is, then you'll keep continuing to see me for as long as I am there.

But no, what actually happens is that you start walking towards that horizon and then you start to dip due to the curvature of the earth until you disappear under the horizon. So that was the theory that they-

So that shows that yes, the earth is curved. It's just that we are so insignificantly small compared to the rest of the earth that the curve is not as apparent. - There's way more scientific ways to prove it pretty easily. I think, isn't it- - No, of course there are scientific ways. That's just a very simple, like non-scientific look. You see that it's curved. - I'm pretty sure one of the ways that you disprove this theory, at least the horizon theory is that

I think you just beam a light, like a laser from over a large distance. And if the earth is flat, right? You have two points pretty far away. If you beam a beam of light, it should stay perfectly flat. So if you have two points far away from each other, then if you're right, then the beam should stay perfect. But what happens is that it dips slightly. So when you measure it from two points, it ends up

it ends up being slightly lower further away because the curve's curvature is causing it to dip. How do you feel about that? How's that? How's that? - Okay, well- - Do you reject that outright? - I'll reject that. - I could be wrong. Can you double check that by the way? - With an even more succinct point. - Okay. - Because Joey, as an Australian, if that really does exist, if that really does exist. - Sure, I came here with science. - As an Australian, all right, in your,

round earth model, you know? Should Australians not just fall off? - Oh shit. Shit.

I mean, you know, our toes grip like fucking monkeys onto the ground. We're just like, we're holding onto dear life. You know, that's why drop bears are a real problem because they're just consistently dropping off the earth. - Okay, all right, okay. We're adding on it. - Yeah, 'cause like, you know, you can get a flight to pretty much everywhere pretty easily, sure. But not the Antarctica. - Okay. - Like, why is that? Why do the establishments,

do not want you to fly to Antarctica. - Don't tell me there's nothing there. - No, it's not because there's nothing there, it's because it's too unhospitable. We can't, it's too cold. - I mean, if you'd like to go to a place where it's minus 50 degrees Celsius on average all year, then go for it. - Are you sure they're not afraid that we're not gonna just fall off the earth if we find the massive ice wall that is surrounding the entire, I don't know what, they don't call it a globe, do they?

They must call it something. - A sheet. - I mean, to people like that, I say, "Hey man, there are ways that you can go to Antarctica. It's maybe a little unconventional, but it's not like an impossible place to go." - So you're saying the lack of flights to Antarctica proves that the Earth is flat?

- Well, because airlines are stopping customs from falling off. - That's just part of that, yes. - You're on the plane, right? Which we do all the time. We travel a lot. You look at the little fun little map. Why is it not a straight line, Garnt, from America to Japan? It's a curve.

- You were following the curvature of the earth. - How do you know that it's, how do you know that the map that you're getting presented, that's part, that's sheeple thought. You're getting presented a map that they presented you with and you're believing it without any question. - It's a pre-programmed map flight. - Of course they're gonna model it after the model they're trying to sell to you, Connor.

- Okay, when you watch a boat sail away, right? The boat just goes away. It goes, oh, like it disappears, right? - Yeah. - If it was flat, you just keep seeing it. - No, it's so far away that you lose sight of it. - Exactly. Thank you, Joey. Thank you. - Oh my God. - Thank you, Joey. - I'm waking up. - If it was a clear day, you could theoretically see any kind of large object in the distance. - Yeah, you can if your eyesight's good. - If it was flat. - But the- - Well, are you on his side now? Whatever the fuck's happening here? - Hey, I'm convinced, bro.

- I'm starting to be convinced a little bit. - Yeah, watch without being in the sky, it's impossible to see the curvature of the earth. However, you can always see a demonstration of this. If you visit any harbor or place with a wide open view of water, if you're able to watch a ship sail off to sea- - This is what I was saying earlier, with someone walking off into the horizon. - With like walking, it's a little different though, 'cause obviously the ground is not always- - Oh yeah, but hypothetically, if you got a fully flat ground, same thing would happen. - There's a lot of reasons why. Okay, Garnt, what other reasons do you have? - And you know, we're gonna come back- - Oh yeah, here we go. - I just disproved that.

- Yeah, we're gonna come back to the big establishments. They had their greatest hits with the moon landing, but NASA's back at it again. - Oh my God, those fuckers. - Feeding us their false photos, their false theories. Have you actually seen a picture of the earth that has not been coming from a big...

- Well, it's because I don't have a fucking satellite in space Garnt. If I had one, maybe I'd be taking pictures. - Sounds like your problem. - Why would NASA lie to us Garnt? Why would they have, what interest is there in lying to us about that? - Why wouldn't they lie to us? - Exactly. - Because they're working with the government and the government always lies. - They're not just lying about everything. Why would they lie about everything? What's the point in that? - So they can control you. - It's like saying that- - You've been brainwashed. - That's like saying that like when they're like, man,

- You gotta lie. You shouldn't drink this much coffee in a day. That's what they tell me and I tell them, sheesh. Why would you lie? Why would they lie about that? Why would they lie about that? - Look, just think about it this way, okay? - Sure. - Okay.

- You're asking why? Why would they lie about it? I can tell you plenty of reasons, all right? - Okay. - You've seen Attack on Titan. - Yes. - You've seen Attack on Titan. - Okay, all right, they lied, yeah, why? - Sometimes being, you know, sometimes knowledge is a blessing or lack of knowledge is a blessing. We do not know what's beyond, what is beyond the ice wall. It could be like, it could be like- - It's a game of Thrones. We don't live on the fucking wall. - We could be,

in the continent from Hunter Hunter. And we don't know what the Dark Continent. - Oh shit. - They might be protecting our safety. We do not know what is beyond the wall. Beyond the wall, we are the island in Attack on Titan right now. - We've been in Chimera Ant this whole time. - Look, the Titans might be there for our protection. We just don't know it. - Who are we hiding from Garnt? What kind of flat earth?

- We don't know. - What happens if I go to the edge? - We don't know. - We don't know. - You get abducted actually. - How come that when I fly the other way, 'cause I've flown to the UK and I've gone both ways. How can I go both ways if it's flat? Surely I should only go one way.

Again, that's the map fooling you. - Yeah, that's just the map. - Do I just clip to the other side when I get to the edge? - Yeah, it's like a screen wrap. - How does it work, Garnt? If I fly west or I fly east, why do I always end up in the same spot? - Well, you've never done it. - What do you mean I've never done it?

- Have you ever flown in one direction and have you piloted the plane yourself? - Oh, I look out the window as I'm simulating on the window. - How do you not know you're not flying in a massive circle? - Yeah, while you're sleeping, the pilot is slowly veering. - He's slowly turning. - He's slowly turning. - He's like, oh, I'm sorry, there's a little bit of turbulence. - And again, that explains the curved flight path. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - He's just very slowly veering to the right or left. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

- They're not flying in a curve. They're flying straight. - No, no, no. - Because the earth is a curve, straight is a curve. - No, no, they're flying in a curve. You just don't feel it. - Oh my God. - You're asleep. You're not awake for the entire nine hour flight to the US. How would you know? - What the fuck I am? I have been. - I'm a believer now. - There's other things, but that's pretty much the main kind of like arguments.

- Well, you've convinced me. - To break character for a second. - Yeah, please. - I was like, damn, being a flat earther is fun. Holy shit. Like in terms of like just,

- Okay, so conspiracy theories, right? Obviously a lot of them are like fucking bullshit. - Yeah. - But the thought itself is fun, right? The thoughts of just being in this like- - Playing devil as an advocate is always fun. - You're basically making up your own little Game of Thrones world. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - Except now the only difference is that it's dangerous 'cause you're applying it to real life situations. And you're like, no, no, the wizarding world is real. - I'm pretty sure this is how George RR started off. - Yeah, I can see now why flat earther

- World building is just on another level. - They don't see it as world building, they see it as the world that we are building. - That's the whole point. That's the whole point. Some like the maps of like flat earth of like what is beyond the ice wall is fucking interesting. - It's like some middle earth shit. - What is this one? The square and stationary. What the fuck is this shit? - This is like some final fantasy maps, bro. - Yeah. - It's great. I love it. - Yeah.

- I think a lot of this comes down to obviously, like I said, a lack of trust in establishments. I think Flat Earth- - But why did you have to be fed in order to have that kind of just all round anti-establishment mentality? That's what I've always been curious about.

- Well, I mean, unfortunately there is a history of governments not having the best interest and also- - Yeah, sure. - Government suits are pretty fucked up stuff that we do know they've done. - Yeah. - Stuff that would be conspiracy theory worthy if we didn't know it was already true. - Right. - So I think it kind of stems from that kind of line of thinking of like, hey, they've already, you know, governments have already done things like they've sterilized populations or they've done horrific experiments on populations. We know this is true and this has happened. So it's unfortunate.

because then it enables people to think, well, governments have done this. So why wouldn't they be willing to do and hide even worse things? It's an unfortunate situation where, yeah, governments have done really horrific stuff in the past and it's kind of just building upon that distrust. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. - Especially if you've know someone or you've been affected by that, like,

Obviously if you look at like America, certain groups of, you know, like obviously like native people have been very unjustly treated by the government. And so there's just a distrust naturally that builds towards the government. And then as you would have, 'cause you're like the government has tried to fuck over me and my relatives for the past hundreds of years. Why the fuck would I trust anything they say? - Oh yeah. - And sometimes,

the line between when that is reasonable to have and believing stuff that is a bit dumb online, you know. But it's also hard 'cause people, it's very easy to be pushed down these rabbit holes online where you can be subjected to this kind of stuff and think, hold on now, these guys are starting to make sense. - Yeah, because- - Because everything you've read online or in media is,

your entire life growing up has been factual. - Yeah, because let's think about this on like a kind of like a bare bones conceptual level about what you can perceive with your eyes. - We did think the earth was flat for a period in time. - For a good reason, because we look at the earth. - Seeing is believing. - And we can perceive the world as this way. And then you get into like modern science about concepts that not,

It's way harder to wrap your head around, you know,

the concept of something like gravity. And it is the concept of just, hey, what if you just fall off an edge? Things go down. - I think it also is aided by the fact that over the course of humanity and over the course of scientific progression, there have been so many theories that at the time were like, oh yeah, this is absolutely correct, which just turned out to be absolutely incorrect. And then we've had to make

small little adjustments. So then I'm sure a lot of these conspiracy theories will be like, aha, see, not even scientists can get it right 100% of the time. So what's to say that we're not right? - And also I think just the kind of like the idea of there being something unknown or like some kind of mystery out there, it's just way more enticing than just the boring answer. So like,

- The idea of like, what is beyond this fucking ice wall? That's just like a cool concept. - I mean, it goes hard. - Yeah, I kind of know. - You say I'm a red flag. I was like, that's a sick concept. - The world would be kind of cool if there was just this looming ice wall. That would be sick. But unfortunately it's kind of boring. It's just kind of hardcore.

which we also thought there was cool shit there at one point. And we're like, nope, just ice. - Well, I mean, we're still finding shit, you know? We're still finding shit in Antarctica. It could be some cool shit there. We just haven't found it yet. - Yeah. - Well, I will say out of everything, Flat Earthers of course is one of the lesser believable ones of the ones we're probably gonna go for today. But you know what? On a conceptual level, I'm like, if this was actually real, if Flat Earth was actually a thing,

I'd be excited. I'd be like- - Why would you be excited by that one? - 'Cause I wanna be the first one to break through the ice. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I wanna be that guy. - Conceptually, it's pretty exciting. It's just like, that's pretty cool actually. I don't understand why people actually believe that, but I can understand why this idea is like a piece

- It's not believable, but this collaborative fanfic people have made about the Flat Earth. - Oh, it is basically a fanfic of Flat Earth. - Yeah, it's a collaborative fanfic. It's exciting, let's just say that. It's interesting, but not believable at all. - It's an interesting idea. I'd rather- - I'll give it a three. - I'll take, you know, I'll go to Flat Earth if Tagashi just never finishes Santa Hunter.

- Maybe another 10 years, I'm gonna be like, I need my dark continent fixed somehow, man. I need my dark continent fixed somehow. - What if Flat Earth Society just sees like a spike after that? It's like, well, dark continent arc never ended. This is the closest it's gonna get. - God damn. - Fucking ice wall. - Yeah. - Oh, they have actual like other continents that they've like figured out as well. - This is just hunter-hunter. - Yeah, this is just hunter-hunter. - This is literally dark continent. - The ice wall is just hunter-hunter.

- I love it. - All right. So your theory, I'm fortunate God I'm not buying it. It's cool, but I give it a one out of 10 for believability. - Okay. - I'm giving the extra points 'cause it's fun. - Fair enough, fair. What are you giving out of 10? - Three. - Three? We did a great job arguing for it, I think. - Connor, what do you have? What do you believe in? - Well, guys, I mean, I hate to tell you this, but you need to wake up.

- I'm already awake. - You gotta wake up. - I'm already awake, go on. - Obviously given there are infinite possibilities of universes out there and planets, it's obvious that aliens exist. And specifically we have them. - Oh shit. - We have them in our possession in area 51.

So yeah, as we know, there is a highly classified US Air Force facility in the center. It's a center for research on aliens and UFOs and the extraterrestrial technology is being reverse engineered there. - Ooh. - I've been there, not inside, but I've been to the front of Area 51. - Joey, Joey, you know more about this than anyone. You've been to this place. - Yeah, they don't want us to know.

- I lost a microphone head inside Area 51 after it blew off my camera and went under the rails. And I was like, I could go and get it or I will get shot. - What's your proof Connor? - Yeah, what's your proof? - What's your proof? - How do we know? - Why do you think aliens would have visited us before? - And why here? Why are they kept in Area 51? - Well, it's a very, you know, there's not much going on in Nevada. - Well, true. - The real estate was very easy to come by. - Facts. - Yeah.

So yeah, I mean, so I have many reasons why I believe this. Go on. You know, obviously we've all seen UFOs, right? Obviously. Okay. I mean, we've all watched the History Channel as well. The documentation. Aliens. You always hear about numerous reported sightings of UFOs in the vicinity of Area 51 that further increase my belief of the fact that they're clearly, that's like, that's a hanging out spot.

That's where they go. - Yeah. - Why will those people on TV lie about seeing aliens? Why is there so many documentaries about men and women who have seen aliens? - Maybe because people like attention. - They all seem like very, you know, very,

- Very critical, like saying critical thinkers that you see on television. - Yeah, definitely. - Yeah, and obviously the government, who we don't trust. - It all comes back to the government. - They are covering up all the evidence of alien life

and using AR 51 to cover it up. - Okay, why? - Why? Because we're not ready. We're not ready to know. - Oh, humanity has evolved yet. - We aren't ready to know about aliens. And let's be real, we probably just like try and kill them or something.

try and steal the alien goods and use them. So the government is there in place and it's really everyone to kind of have like a place to be like, let's figure out what's going on here. Let's study these aliens. 'Cause there's also notorious crashes that have happened that are unexplained. We don't know anything about. And where do they all go? Why are they hiding it from us? - Shit. - Okay. - This site is clearly being used to reverse engineer this alien technology.

to recreate it for themselves so that we can then expand it to outer space ourselves. - Are they using it only to expand to outer space? - We don't really know what the malicious intent of the government is, but for some reason they don't want us to know why they have aliens here. - Right. - Right. - But we, you know, I think the common belief is that aliens look like these kind of bulbous weird ass things. And I think that's just wrong.

- Yeah, the little gray guys? - Yeah, I think maybe the ones in Mexico, sure. But they're Mexican aliens, they're a bit different. Obviously as we know, all these very reputable people, they keep coming out who work in the government, like, "Hey, we have aliens." Lots of interviews with people. I mean, my favorite source of information, the Joe Rogan podcast had a...

had a ex-government employee who worked at Air 51 who attested that there was aliens at Air 51. - Oh, okay. - And we have these unexplained footages of these vehicles that move back and forth super fast in the sky that we can't explain why they move like that 'cause no object we know can move like that. So why is that? - Aren't they called like UAPs now instead of UFOs? - Yeah, UFOs. - Unexplainable Aerial Phenomenon. - They're trying to,

It's a new branding thing. It's like Lexus to Toyota. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They're trying to distract us from the fact that it's just Toyota. - Yeah. - These are still UFOs and they're trying to get like all the crazy off of it, but we're not crazy. We know what we're talking about. And there's...

There's loads of whistleblowers that have come out saying this. And there's clearly this underground facilities that aren't visible to us under air if you want. It's just a landing strip. Okay. Like it's just an air base. - Yeah, of course. - There's too much room going on there. You know what I mean? There's gotta be something underneath that they're hiding from us. - How busy is that airport? - Right? - Really? - You have this big of a site just for airplanes to land. That doesn't seem right. - That's true. - So probably underneath there's a whole facility for aliens.

- All right, here's the big thing. Here's my big question. Why would you want to hide? Let's say aliens did visit the world. What do you mean we're not ready? - We're not ready. - Maybe the technology is so advanced that we A, either don't have any kind of scientific understanding of it or B, maybe it's a type of technology where if it does come out into the world, then let's say America is the first one to introduce it, right? What's gonna stop like,

or any other country, whether they be friend or foe of America to be like, "Hey, we can use that as well, but we can make it better to go one step above." See, that's exactly what they thought about the moon landing as well. - I think you have to look at the greater goals of the government, Garnt. I feel like you're very short-minded here and you're not thinking about what the government wants. The government, specifically the US government, wants to control everything. They wanna have the power. And if they get their hands on alien tech first, it's game over.

- Sure. - What is, you know, what the hell is any of that? - Who else is gonna compete with that? - If they got teleporters, you know, they got some crazy beams, laser guns from Cod, they finally get those in real life, it's game over. - You said crazy beans, I was like, what? - They might have alien beans, you know? - Very convenient that they landed in America, you know? - Well, they- - Out of every place in the world, they convenient chose like one of the biggest superpowers.

in the world and just chose to crash land there. - Maybe the aliens are like, yo, this is what's up. This is a big open space. - Presumably if they landed in another continent, America would have done their best to get ahold of it anyway. You know what I mean? They're pretty good at doing that. They're pretty good at doing things. - Sure, sure. - And it just goes into, you know, we see UFO spottings all over the world that are unexplained. - Okay, hold on. Let's put away the dash of irony away for just a second. Do you...

- Legitimately believe extraterrestrial life exists out there? - Yes. - They were in Area 51, Joey, I just told you. - Okay, because I 100% believe it. I just don't believe they've come to earth yet. - That's what the US government wants you to think, Joey. - Yeah. - Yeah. - They have them.

it depends on like what level of alien life you believe. I like, this is like Area 51, like I said, cool concept, cool, cool thought experiment about just like, you know, your government just keeping secret technology and secret aliens that visited 50 or so years ago convenient that they chose like kind of like this time period in the entire history of the earth

to come visit. A lot of things need to- - Although the aliens were around as well, like during, before like this period as well. - Oh yeah, they helped build the pyramids. - Yeah, who built the pyramids? - Well, I wouldn't go that far. - Easter Island heads? How did they get there? - Well, there's a lot of, there's potentially other explanations, but I'm more concerned about the fact that I know the US government has these little alien boys. - I've been to that restaurant, the little alien.

- That looks awful. - Yeah, that's the one next to Area 51. I've been there. - Yeah. - It's a shit hole. No aliens either. - I mean, I'll be up and say that I believe if aliens did land, I think the government would just say it because they've already released the tapes of the UAPs or whatever they're called right nowadays. - Yeah, why did they announce that? - Yeah. - Why now? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - If they've been hiding it for so long, why now are they suddenly like, "We admit it guys, they are here."

- Yeah, that's a doozy. We don't know the thought process behind- - Did someone fuck up or was that planned? - We don't know the process behind how the government makes- - The fact is that these videos just dropped and then-

everyone just kind of like, no one really like talked about it or just like, it didn't cause as big of a fuss as you'd think a government dropping some videos being like, "Hey, we don't know what the fuck these are. We're not gonna say they're aliens, but we just don't know." - It's them saying, "Hey aliens, we're not scared of you.

We've got your tech. - We've got the technology. - We've got your tech now. You're done. You're done, kid. Don't come back. We'll tell people about it. Like we're not worried now. So, you know, I think the Pentagon releasing videos, it's whatever, you know, this is like, don't worry about it. They're just trying to distract us from the real thing of the aliens. Oh, and A.F.O.D. - Right, right. - It's okay because we still have Jeff Goldblum and Will Smith. They're both still alive.

- We are alive, so we are good. - Independence Day is coming anytime and we have our sequel weapons, guys. Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum. - They're there. - I am bigger legend. - Where they go head to head to see who can save the world. - I wish there was more, I'm done peddling this theory now. I wish there was more, like to make this theory more exciting, I wish there was actually like any kind of circumstantial evidence that could be like,

- Well, that's just a quote, you know. - Yeah, one of the biggest things about the Area 51, I just like, I don't know where it came from. - Yeah, people just start making shit up. - Here's the weird thing. I remember reading about this Roswell Area 51 story in like a book, in like a random book I got out of the library when I was like a kid.

And I like for the longest time, I just believed it. Like genuinely I thought, oh, aliens were in area 51 'cause I read a book about it and I was like,

like it wasn't until I was older that I realized, oh, this wasn't like any book based on any form of reality. This is just a really interesting story. - Yeah. - Just got presented as kind of like this half fiction, half kind of like- - Yeah, this is kind of an interesting one because like, you know,

there are conspiracy theories like say like, you know, the flat earth one where like, if you say that you believe in it, then immediately you'll get like a backlash from people being like, no, you're stupid. Why would you think that? But this area 51 one is interesting because even if you say like, oh yeah, I think there are aliens in area 51. There's almost like a lack of interest. It's just kind of like, yeah, I guess. - I think it's when you say that everyone is kind of in more of a, like a jovial sense. Like, yeah, I believe there's aliens there.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's not like, I don't think, if someone was actually 100% going to you and seemed super serious about it, I think you'd be like,

- That's true, that's true. - Yeah, but I think we don't know what other life is out there. I think this genuinely, like we don't know. Like there's the universe is so vast. It probably will not take the shape that we've envisioned it will. I think if there is life out there, it might not be as intelligent. It might be way more intelligent. We don't know. There's odds are there's probably something somewhere in the universe. - I think what is weird is that the government, so UFOs, UAPs do exist.

- There are unexplained phenomenon in this world. And do we want to just blame aliens or do we just want- - It's too easy to blame aliens. - It's very, very convenient and very, very easy to blame aliens. - My favorite theory about aliens that I've heard is that aliens have already visited us and have been visiting us for a long time. It's just that the aliens live on a different dimension to ours.

So we can't perceive them. - They're like- - Fourth, fifth, sixth dimension aliens. You never know. - The average. - There could be one right here, but I would not be able to perceive it. - Oh, the average Rick and Morty fan. - Yeah. - Okay. - There's an alien here, Morty. - Fair enough. - I think the big thing for me is just the concept of

like what an alien life form would be and how alien life form would perceive us if they discovered us as a species, you know? - See, like as a science fiction fan, I love thinking about this kind of shit because it's like, it just opens the room for so many different stories you could tell, you know? And so many different like cool, like what if scenarios of like, okay, on the day that it happens, if it hasn't happened yet,

how will we actually respond? What will they actually look like? How do they respond to us and we respond to them? Like it's just a cool what if scenario to think about. - Yeah, I like this theory just because there is- - Fun. - It's a little more fun and chill than the other ones. - I think it's more fun. And I think honestly out of everything, it's more believable as well. I can, I don't know. There is so much we do not understand. - What would you rate this one then?

- Like a five. - Oh, we're in the middle of the pack. - Yeah, five or like strong five, light six. - Okay, okay. - I'd say. - I'd go seven.

- Wow, seven, okay. - I'm saying seven because this is the only theory that we've had, I guess the closest thing to actual evidence that has been released by- - A credible source. - A credible source. We've had maybe crazies, maybe not, but people that claim they've worked in the government that have said, "Hey, these things actually exist." - Yeah, my only problem with that is that a lot of these dudes

and just doing fucking podcast circuits and making money and doing appearances at conventions. And it's like, well, hold on now. I think there's an ulterior motive here to why you're a whistleblower and not just a guy who's like, "Hey, I'm retired. "I can make a bit of extra cash and travel around "if I just talk mad shit." - Okay, but to play devil's advocate, let's say you do know that they exist. How would you go about proving it? - I mean, the ultimate problem is that you can't.

- Yeah, exactly. - We've even seen it nowadays, like even if you had pictures or videos. - You're automatically a whistleblower. - People would just assume they're fake. - Or you have an ulterior motive. - Yeah, it would be very, very hard to,

- Yeah, I think in an- - Unfortunately, given someone in that position, the only way you'll get your message out is by getting on the Joe Rogan podcast, right? That's probably the best hope you can go for. - So tell me about how the aliens like- - Nobody's believing me, but Joe will. I know Joe's got an- - Joe's got my back. - Yeah, I mean, I think the biggest thing is just this idea that

Think about our technology, right? And think about how long we've lasted. We as like an intelligent species in the entire history of the earth have lasted a microscopic level, right? And we are number one, we are very kind of like confident that we're just one, just not gonna wipe ourselves out. That's like,

- Thinking about how long we've lasted compared to- - The most optimistic of our kind, definitely, yes. - Compared to the fucking dinosaurs, I can't even conceptualize existing for that amount of time. And then one comet just goes, whoop, you're gone now. You're absolutely gone. There are so many, I believe there's alien life out there, but there are so many

so many different walls, a society and a species have to pass through to get to the point. - One of them being the ice wall, obviously. - One of them being dealing with how do you deal with flat earthers? And with the way that technology is evolving. Okay, this is going into something completely different topic. With how technology is evolving right now, right? Do you...

Genuinely believe that humans as a species or as a society would rather venture out into space or would they just create a supercomputer and just put their consciousness into a supercomputer? Which one do you think is more likely? Well, so are you asking if everything is a simulation more likely or is...

as if we'd expand and explore the universe more likely. - I think- - With the way humanity is going with the direction that our species is going, do you think it's more likely that we would want to, if there would be more interest in exploring the universe or creating a kind of like digital universe in which we can- - I think the answer to that in my opinion is that

the more likely scenario is the supercomputer one, but the more correct answer is the venturing out into space. - That's the thing. The more like correct answer is, yeah, let's be explorers. Let's go into space. Let's ensure like the survival of the human race. I know the average fucking human. They'd be like, just give me the fucking matrix man. - We already play like fucking World of Warcraft. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly right. - Put me in a simulation. - I also think this,

- The exploring outer space is right now is not profitable and until it becomes profitable or there's like countries have reasons to care about trying to take over planets or anything like that. We won't see a giant push for exploring space. - I think there will be a huge profitability to it. - Yeah, when, but like right now the laws, most laws, although not every country signed up to it

but space is the property of mankind and no one country should own the moon or anything like that. However, I think that

Stuff like that. - You never know, we might get to the point where like every country has the necessary funds and the technology and the science to just like kind of start going out there, you know, looking for stuff. And then that galactic mortgage game gonna be tight, you know? It's gonna get to the point where it's like, all right, well, Denmark wants to buy EO for some reason, but that's currently owned by America right now. So what are we gonna do then? - Yeah, I like, I just, it's gonna sound super weird,

but the survival of humanity is not a big enough motivation for humans to explore space. People need to care about things on like a personal level before we have a collective interest into doing something like this. - You know we're fucked when humanity had more of an interest in NFTs. - Right. - Before that shit. - I think the problem is with space exploration is that it is a,

decades long, sorry, commitment to even get anything done. We saw the James Hubble- - James Webb telescope. - James Webb telescope that was like a huge undertaking, very expensive. But for like countries to get involved, I mean,

we can't even look like four years ahead. We have to like worry about the next election, right? So like the way the system is currently set up, people only care about what's happening right now. - I think also a lot of people think just, I think they just genuinely believe that it's not gonna happen in their lifetime anyway. - They don't care. People don't care about shit that's not gonna happen to them. - Yeah, so it's like, if I'm not gonna experience it, then why should I care about it? - Yeah. - You know, which is-

- 'Cause that's why I feel like a lot of the generation right now, they just don't care about space exploration. Like a lot of people just don't. - Yeah, we have bigger problems to worry about. - Yeah, they're like, we shouldn't be spending money on trying to send rockets up when I can't even- - The Earth is cooking alive. - Yeah, I can't even buy a fucking apartment or I can't even rent an apartment to live in. So why the fuck is the government sending $2 billion a year to send fucking rocks into space? - Yeah.

- It's unfortunate. - But there's a lot of short-sightedness there as well, I think. So it's a very nuanced problem. Either way, I need to go take a shit. - All right, okay.

- Connor's taking a shit. So I'm gonna talk to Joey about aliens for a sec. Joey, do you genuinely believe in aliens? Because the question, do you believe in aliens? I think it's a very loaded question because most people would say, yes, I believe there is other life forms out there existing right now. But do you actually believe that one, they have reached,

a level of life and consciousness as some of the life you- - See, 'cause there's a difference between believing in aliens and believing in extraterrestrial life, right? Because extraterrestrial life could be a super fucking like,

highly, highly, you know, technologically advanced civilization that is beyond our wildest dreams to something like a single-celled organism. Right? Whereas when people think of aliens, they think of like, oh, like little humanoid creatures that can communicate like us and have a civilization like us. I don't,

- I do believe that there are aliens. Like of course, like there are like extraterrestrial life out there somewhere far out in the universe that, you know, maybe has just as good if not better civilization than ours. But I think the more likely scenario is the extraterrestrial life. Like the single-celled organisms or like, you know, the small creature equivalent of aliens, if you will. I think those exist.

I would even argue to say very close to our proximity. We just haven't found that yet. Like the whole thing of like, how Mars originally had evidence that there was water running through it long ago in its history. We haven't explored enough of Mars to know that, but there is strong evidence suggesting that there still might be something there. We just haven't found that. - Also Europa as well, which is apparently our moon. - Jupiter's moon, right?

- Yeah, Jupiter's moon that is, has very strong evidence that there is like a massive ocean. - Yeah, like liquid water. - Underneath the ice sheets, which I find very interesting as well. - Yeah, totally. - But do you believe that there are, there is a higher life form of aliens out there? - Yes, I think there could be, but I don't think so.

I just don't think they've come in contact with humans. I think they've like come close to the earth maybe, but like that whole idea of like, you know, fucking UFO crash sites and stuff like that. I don't believe that shit at all. It's like how incompetent of an alien species do you have to be to fly like galactic level miles only for you to fuck up the landing?

- I don't think aliens would care about us. - I don't think they'll care about us. I think to a lot of these aliens, the earth is like a fucking pebble on the road to us. It's like, oh yeah, it's there.

- But I don't care. - Yeah. - Kind of thing. We're just expanding on the alien. - Do you wanna know my favorite theory? My favorite like conspiracy kind of theory. - Sure. - So have you heard of like super voids? - No. - Is it the shit you watch when you fall asleep? - Yeah, yeah, pretty much. - Oh, super void, like as in like areas of space where there's nothing there. - Yeah, yeah. So there is just like,

huge fucking areas of space. So this goes into like the whole structure of the universe itself. And there are like,

the kind of like theory around the big bang should say that everything like on a theoretical level, everything should be spread out pretty evenly. But how galaxies are forms and like the kind of structure of the universe does not match up to the theories that we've had with the big bang. So you have like fucking massive, they call them super voids, which are some of the biggest,

structures you can find in the universe with just massive portions of this universe that are just empty. - Yeah, it says it's a spherical blob 1.8 billion light years across that is distinguished by its unusual emptiness. - Yeah, one of the theories behind that is, okay, this is where it gets to conspiracy theory time, is that there is a type three civilization within the single void. And that's why we do not detect anything from there.

- Have they sucked out all of the nutrients out of the stars and they're all just blinking out one by one? - Yeah, exactly. - They made like the Dyson spheres. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Dyson spheres when they put like,

build like a thing around a sun to absorb all its energy. - Oh, I see. - Have you guys heard of the great attractor as well? - No, what's that? - So it's been proven- - That's what they call me in high school. - You were at a boys high school, Joey. - Yeah. - Oh God. - It's been proven that we are like,

there is this portion of the universe that everything is getting sucked towards and scientists, that's why they call it the great detractor. And we don't know what is like causing,

a massive portion of this universe to get attracted to this one singular point because we can't see it. 'Cause it's on the opposite side of the Milky Way. - Right, right. - So we just straight up don't know. We just straight up don't know what the fuck could be causing this. - I love that thumbnail. What is that? - We're so off with everything. So all of these theories,

are plausible 'cause we just don't have enough proof to disprove any of them, right? So, but obviously some more reasonable than others. Either way, let's move on to the next one. - Let's move on to the next one. - Joey, what are you presenting to us next? - All right, I've got a banger here. - Okay, what is a theory that you believe in? - A theory as a music lover, as the only musician on Trash Taste, right? This is a music theory, right? And I believe it to be quite accurate. Have you heard of, they're kind of like a small indie band. Do you know this band called The Beatles?

- Okay, I'm aware of them. - Don't know if you heard of them. They're kind of small. But there's a theory that poses that the famous British band, The Beatles never actually existed. - This is the first time I'm hearing this. - What the fuck, I've never heard of this. - And that Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison and Ringo Starr were all just actors.

- Okay. - Okay. - That were also interchangeable as they got older. - What was the purpose of acting a band instead of being a band? - It was this big social experiment by the government, clearly. - By the British government. - By the British government.

- The British government- - Social, what were they fucking YouTube pranksters way back when? - Well, they saw how much the American government was like trolling their audience. So they were just like- - What do you mean? Their audience? Even the civilization? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were like, "Oh, we got them good with the moon landing." And the British were like, "Fuck, we wanna do that."

- What's big right now? Oh yeah, the Beatleys are like a big band right now. Let's fuck them up. So there are a number of theories, or I guess points to prove the theory. So first of all, there are physical appearance changes. So they scrutinize photographs of the Beatles over the years, claiming that there are inconsistencies in their appearance that can't be explained by aging or changes in style alone. - What do you mean can't be explained by aging?

- What do you fucking mean? - What is this image I'm looking at right now? - Okay, so say for example, right? George Harrison on the left there, where's his other ear? - What do you mean? - Also that guy on the right there is not Ringo Starr.

- All paid actors, okay. - You know your appearance, this is gonna be a shock to some people. Your opinions can change over time. I don't know if you know this. - Yeah, but the way that they got older was a little bit strange, not quite normal. - Type in on Google, I wanna show them, type in Robert De Niro ears change. Look how fucking much this dude's ears have changed over the years. So ears are not a great, look at that, the first one, yeah.

- Look how much his ears have changed. - Holy fuck, that's huge. - Age is an unforgiving bitch. - God damn. - So your ears- - Robert De Niro isn't real. - Okay, well. - Prosthetic ear right there, look at that. - In fact, young Robert De Niro actually played Paul McCartney. - Okay, all right. So the point is ears can change. So saying that your ears change over time, yeah, yeah, yeah, is proof, is not even remotely helpful to this argument.

- Okay. - Okay, so carry on. - Well, there are also a bunch of hidden messages as well, right? So have you heard of the famous Paul is dead message? - No, what is this? - Okay, look up the Paul is dead message. I actually do know about this. - What is the Paul is dead message? - You know about this one? - Yeah, I do know about this one. So the Paul is, it's kind of like another basically, yeah, look at the first one there, the Paul is dead. Yeah, so it's the theory that Paul McCartney died years and years and years ago, like before John Lennon died.

And because the way that he looks now and especially after the Beatles ended is so different to how he looked while the Beatles were around. - I see on the Wikipedia article they have a picture of him one year on the left and a year later on the right. He looks a bit different. - Look at that, that's not a year of growth. - No, but no, 'cause I said- - What is that mustache? - I had this exact same thing. When I changed from a 720p camera to a 4K camera,

I look significantly shitter 'cause you can see how bad I looked. And I think that's what, 'cause like this is like a fucking,

"Oh, we got an old camera here that we found in our basement. We gotta take a picture of Paul McCartney." And then they take a picture and then later some guys are like, "Yeah, we have the new Sony camera." Here's the pic. By the way, Paul, sorry, a skim of the picture. - Yeah, so the Paul is dead theory says that Paul McCartney died. - Aided by British MI5. We had nothing better going on in the 60s. - The theory is that he died in 1966, which was four years before John Lennon died.

And sorry, no, seven years before John Lennon died, 'cause he died in '73, I believe, if I remember correctly. - Okay. - And that he was replaced by an actor. - Why didn't they replace John Lennon as well then? - Because the band was probably just like, "Fuck, we can't find a John Lennon." - Yeah, I feel like- - "No one is as good as John Lennon." - I feel like the solution to one of your bandmates passing is not to replicate him.

They were like, well, it worked with Paul. And then when John died, they were like, oh fuck, we didn't have a replacement ready. - Wait, Paul McCartney is alive, right? - Yes, he's alive. - Or is it? - So currently only John Lennon and George Harrison are dead. Paul McCartney, and I think Ringo is still alive, right? Or he could have been replaced as well, we don't know.

- Well, Ringo, there probably wouldn't have been much demand to replace him. - No. - Poor Ringo. - My favorite interview clip from the Beatles is there was this interview who was like,

"John, do you think that Ringo Starr is the best drummer in the world?" And John responds, "He's not even the best drummer in the band." Which is true. - So MI5 would have a vested interest in helping aid the Beatles to replace Paul McCartney. - So there are also claims that are made that the personalities of the Beatles members as observed in interviews and public appearances show inconsistencies over time too. - You could say that about fucking Trash Taste. - Yeah, I was gonna say. - Oh, we replaced fucking Joey.

- He watched Arcane. - He's a different man now. - It's just not Jerry, is it? - Connor admitted he likes beeps and boops. - That's like how in the fucking podcast people are like, oh, Connor admitted a year later he liked something. - Hasn't been the same since Garnt admitted his liking to bread. - This is like, oh, you mean like normal change that happens over time? Like, yeah, of course that fucking, personality changes, yeah. You're not a monolith of a personality from age,

- Well, as a bunch of musicians that the Beatleys were, there was also skill variation as well. So theory suggests that there are noticeable variations in the musical and song grinding skills of the band members at different points in their career, allegedly indicating different people with varying levels of- - I can explain this one. - Okay. - Drugs. - No, actually.

- Is that your actual expression? - I mean, listen, they're musicians, right? I'm sure they were probably doing some stints where they were probably fucking no sleep. - In the case with the Beatles. - Having some party nights, going hard. - In the case of the Beatles, it is very obvious the era that they discovered drugs because there was a very big switch from like just simple, like standard rock tunes to like, you know,

fucking yellow submarine, I am the worst. - I mean, they were super successful. They became like the hottest shit ever. They're pretty partying a bunch, getting super fucking like going out a bit a bunch, pretty caring less about songwriting a little bit. 'Cause they were focused on living the life that they had acquired for themselves. - I mean, at that point as well, John and Yoko were together and they were getting a little weird. - Some people can just fall off. - Yeah, some people fall off and maybe they get back into it, maybe they don't. John had that whole- - Beatles fella.

- That thing is just, that just sounds like the biggest copium I could ever imagine in my life. Your favorite band starts sucking. You're like, guys, the original band is dead. They are not real. - Why is it not plausible that you could just get worse for a period of time at something? - Oh yeah, I mean- - It's like, you know, have you ever done exercise and then like one day you go to the gym and you're like, fuck, I'm just terrible at exercise today. No, I've been doing this for ages.

Like you're just gonna have days where you're off. What other evidence do you have? - Without a lick of irony and being a massive Beatles fan, this theory is incredibly stupid. I agree with everything. It's just like, yeah, the way that you grow and change as a musician is very different for different people

And just some people, you know, I hate the fact that there are so many people out there who are like, yeah, the Beatles were like the peak of music creativity. Like they were the fucking masters of their craft. I'm like, yeah, they were good musicians, but they didn't like fucking, you know, reinvent the wheel. - Part of me wants to believe that this

- Specifically this theory is just a meme. - I would like to hope it's a meme. - I think it's generally a meme. - I really wanna hope it's a meme. - Yeah, but it's like- - There's the magical mystery tour. That was the album where they clearly started doing drugs. I mean, look at that cover.

- Yeah, part of me wants to believe, I'm reading through all of these points. Part of me wants to believe that this is just the meme and because of the modern conspiracy theory kind of like- - Oh yeah, the other theory of the Paul is dead theory is that on the Abbey Road cover, Paul is the only one not wearing shoes.

- Why would a ghost be concerned about footwear? - Exactly. - It's the moon landing. - That's why he's not wearing shoes 'cause he's actually already dead. - It's the symbolism in there. - Paul is holding his cigarette in his right hand even though he's left-handed and what? - Yeah, and he's not wearing shoes, explain that. - What do you mean, explain that? - He's dead.

- Okay. - Or he's been replaced by someone who clearly didn't realize that Paul McCartney wears shoes everywhere and holds a cigarette in his left hand. - I wear shoes everywhere. If I took my fucking shoes off for one fucking occasion, wouldn't mean I'm a fucking ghost. - I don't know, say that to Australians, bro. We walk around with shoes all the time. - I don't know. I feel like this one, I can see how this conspiracy theory started.

- Do you think this was started by Beatles fans or Beatles haters? - I think this is probably just a- - 'Cause both are plausible. - Both are plausible. I don't even think the Beatles is something that is a unique topic. - It's probably just a what if that got out of hand, I feel. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's just a what if that just got out of hand just because the Beatles got so popular.

And it's not, I mean, this is one step away from, you know, Ninja died from ligma, you know? - Ninja died of ligma. He's been replaced. - I feel like it was like a joke that one person took seriously and then it just kind of got widespread. If I had to pinpoint- - It's all fun and games until the obituary comes out. - Exactly, exactly. I'm not sure when this,

- If theory started, but guaranteed if this theory started in the age of the internet,

I have a feeling it would just have been like one massive meme. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, like, you know, at the end of this article here as well, that makes a good point of like this, I feel like this also came out around the time where like rock music in general was, you know, have had all these conspiracies of like, oh, they're brainwashing the youth with satanic messages and it's the devil's music and all that kind of stuff, right? So this theory might've stemmed from there or it could have just stemmed from,

a hardcore Beatles hater or a hardcore Beatles fan just being like, all right, but what if? This is the only way we can explain the Beatles falling off. - Yeah, I mean, I see all of this proof and this doesn't even seem like that deep of a psychoanalysis as you get off some YouTube drama.

- You know what I mean? You see YouTubers like, or like, you know, Twitch streamers have drama and you see people psychoanalyzing and microanalyzing everything. And I'm like, this doesn't even seem that out of the realm of possibility as some of the stuff we see today. - It also says the belief that the music industry or other powerful entities, the government, orchestrated this deception for financial gain or other unknown purposes. - Well, you've convinced me, Joey. As soon as you said the government, all right. - Wake up sheeple.

It's the British government this time. - I don't know. I see out of everything, this is the most lukewarm theory. I don't even think it's that interesting of a theory. - I'm giving this a zero. This one's just dumb. If you don't like the Beatles, it's fine. You can just say you don't like the Beatles. - All right, fair enough. Garnt, what are you presenting to us next? What theory do you believe? - All right, well, gentlemen, we're not even talking about conspiracy theories anymore. We are just talking about scientific facts.

'cause please gentlemen, explain to me the Mandela effect, which is the phenomenon, the phenomenon theory that's named after Nelson Mandela. The theory suggests that collective false memories- - Wait, why is it named after Nelson Mandela? - Because it started off with the theory that Nelson Mandela died in prison when he actually didn't.

- And it's a collective- - Right, or something like that, right? - Yeah, the core of it is that it is a collective false memory that society has about certain things. - Like how everybody remembers something looking a specific way when in actuality everyone's remembering it all the same, but it's all wrong. - Is it like how everyone thinks that an employee

and Vince Boy says, "Think, Mark, think." But he just says, "Think." - Or in Star Wars. - Or in Star Wars. - How he says, everyone thinks it's Luke, I am your father. But he just says, "No, I am your father." - And this is objective proof

that alternate universes exist. - This is objective proof that multiple parallel universes exist. - So what you're saying is there is a parallel universe out there where Nelson Mandela actually died in prison. - Yes, and our collective,

- Consciousness sometimes splits off and sometimes you have false memories of a universe that did not exist. - This is some Steins Gate shit right here. - It is, it is. - So we all have memories of this other universe is what you're saying? - Yeah. - Or the other universe is seeping into our collective consciousness. - Could you give me some examples of stuff that might convince me? I'd love to hear more about this theory. - Okay, so we've talked about the line, we've talked about Nelson Mandela.

- The Monopoly man as well is something that I remember. - Oh yeah, the Monopoly man having a mustache. - Is a monocle. - Oh, a monocle, sorry. - Yeah. - He has a mustache. - He doesn't. - He has a mustache, right? Pull up the Monopoly man, pull him up. What's the Monopoly man look like? - No, no, no. I'm pretty sure the Monopoly man doesn't have

- Okay, let's- - Pull up the Monopoly man. He's got a fucking mustache. - Oh, he doesn't have a monocle. - It's a monocle. It's a monocle. - Well, wait, doesn't he in some of the cards or am I crazy? - No. - No, he's never had a monocle. - He's never had a monocle. - I can explain this one. I think because then, yeah, obviously Monopoly is such a well-known thing in Western culture. - Sure. - I think a lot of,

or kind of reimaginings of the Monopoly Man whenever it's used in media, we'll have him with the monocle because it just seems natural. So then I think then we apply the monocle to our memory of the caricature of the Monopoly Man. Right.

So I think that's why we envisioned him having- - I think that's how a lot of the Nelson Mandela effect stuff happens is that like we take other facts or like significant stereotypes of certain things we think about and we just relate it to being like, oh, because this is this, it must also apply to this other thing. - Yeah, because if you were to dress up in a Monopoly Man outfit parody-esque, you would naturally add a monocle 'cause it would tie the outfit together to parody it, right? So I think that's why this one has kind of caught on.

- Are there other examples of Mandela effects? - I'm looking at them right now, yeah. Let's see. - What else? What else do we have? - Oh, the Berenstain bears. - This is a very popular one in America. We don't have this in the UK or Australia. - Okay. - Americans have these bears. - Oh, Curious George. - What about it? - He doesn't have a tail.

- I know that. - Who's Curious George? - What the fuck do you mean? - The fucking monkey. - What the fuck do you mean? - Oh, the monkey. - Everybody remembers Curious George having a tail, but he doesn't have a tail. - Okay, I didn't grow up with Curious George, so I don't remember him having a tail, so I know he never had a tail.

Let's see, what else is there? A lot of these are American. - Yeah, mostly 'cause they have the, in America they have the, in the car mirror. - Yeah. - They have the objects appear- - Fruit loops. - Closer than their, objects in mirror are closer than they appear. - Yeah. - But that's not what it says, it says something else, but everyone remembers it as that. - Yeah, well like fruit loops. - What about fruit loops? - Like everybody remembers fruit,

being spelled like F-R-U-I-T and then loops L-O-O-P-S, right? It's F-R-O-O-T. Yeah, it's F-R-O-O-T. Well, I'm not American, so I know that one. Monopoly Man in his monocle. Pikachu's tail?

- Pikachu has a tail. - No, no, no. Though many of us clearly remember black detailing on the Pokemon character's tail, but in reality it's just yellow. - No, he has a brown on it at one point. - No. Oh, on the base. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But everybody remembers like a black thing on the end of the tail. - No, no, it's on the base. - Yeah, there's a brown thing on the base. - You're just fucking dumb if you mess around with that.

- Some people remember it. - No, it's not, no. - Kit Kat having a hyphen. - No, it's never had a hyphen. - What's never had a hyphen? - Kit Kat. - Kit Kat. - It's always been one word or, yeah, it's one word. - On the packaging, people remember Kit Kat having a hyphen. It's Kit hyphen Kat. - I think I might've been one of those people that thought that. - Yeah, it doesn't. It's never had a hyphen. - Oh shit. Okay. Yeah, I think.

- I think Nelson Mandela, the Mandela effect to me is just a very interesting case study of like kind of like mass psychology. How we perceive events and how we perceive information. We can, there are some certain things in let's say history that people would just perceive the same way. I mean, for like,

If someone like Pete can think Harambe died of natural causes, I just perceive that as an event. - The greatest conspiracy theory I would like to say. - The greatest conspiracy theory. I do not doubt that we as a group, kind of like collective can perceive certain events in certain ways or have certain memories that a lot of the times. - Yeah, a lot of fuckers can be explained by the fact that we are terrible at remembering. We are just bad at it. - Here's an interesting one, Jaws, right?

when the scene, you've all seen Jaws, right? - No. - Okay, but we all know the scene where he's throwing the charm into the thing and then the thing appears and he says that line, what does he say?

- We're gonna need a bigger boat. - He doesn't say that. He says, you're gonna need a bigger boat. - Oh. - I believe that. - That's another one. Everybody thinks we're gonna need a bigger boat. - How is that like a smoking gun? You know what I mean? It's like, oh, one word. - You're gonna need a bigger boat. - Yeah, I think- - Oh, Snow White, she never says mirror, mirror on the wall. - Oh, I don't know that.

- What does she say? - She says magic mirror on the wall. - Okay, well, it's not good, is it? We made the quote better. - Yeah. - Also, this is- - We fixed Snow White. - There's examples of this where like, with Lost Media, for example.

- There are some real cases where lost media is lost media. There are some people collectively online are like, "Hey, did you guys ever hear about this game or this movie I watched as a kid where this thing happened?" And everyone's like, "Oh yeah, I think I did watch that. Is it where this happened too?" And they're like, "I think that happened, yeah." And then everyone starts piecing this in and they're just making up something that didn't exist. Because our memories are very fractured and we don't remember things as they are. I'm sure you have so many memories of kids of,

very brief moments of something that you can't piece together, but you're like, I remembered this detail. - Oh yeah, for sure. - And I think that kind of stuff can snowball. - But I think what's the interesting thing about the Mandela effect is that it's not just one person who thinks this, it's many, many, many people thinking the exact same detail. That is just incorrect. - To play devil's advocate.

- Parallel universes. - I forgot this was the- - That's the main core concept of this argument. - Okay, sure. Do you believe that- - Parallel universes exist? - Yes. - Wow, I've seen Steins;Gate, so yes. - No. - You don't believe they exist? - No. - Why not? - Just don't. Just don't think they do. - I don't know. - Seems like a lot of effort.

I've never thought about it enough to know whether I believe in it or not. - There's actually like a theory that could have parallel universes as like a, you know, as an explanation. So there's a theory that's gone around, which is, you know- - Are you building a theory out of a theory now?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's just a theory theory. - So this is what scientists have observed when it comes to like quantum mechanics, which is, you know, you can never fully predict how a, you can never like fully predict what's going to happen with quantum theory until like a waveform collapses, right? - Yeah. - 'Cause you think about the-

- Was it the fucking cat thing? - Schrodinger's cat. - Schrodinger's cat thing, which is, I'm not gonna comment on the exact theory. - It's the uncertainty principle. - The uncertainty principle. I'm not gonna comment on the exact mechanics of it. But what I do know is that scientists cannot explain

why quantum mechanics acts the way it does. - Isn't it the theory that it's like, if something has two outcomes that it could be, one of them is the one that we see and then the other one is the one that's in the reality in the parallel universe. - Yeah, the theory is that when scientists observes on a quantum level,

and it collapses into one of like two possibilities, that's when the universe- - That creates another parallel universe. - That's when the universe branches off. - That'd be fucking cool, wouldn't it? 'Cause then there's a universe where I can do cool shit. But it's not true. - Unfortunately, very uncool. - One sentence that I hate hearing, and like, it's fine now, but in like day-to-day conversation, people tell me this, they're like, "Scientists can't explain." I'm like, "Hold on now, that's like,

- That's such a blanket statement to throw out there. Like all scientists have gone, "Well guys, none of us can explain it. "I guess we should just quit, like it's done." - Yeah, also- - It's like admitting that like,

It's an easy way to just say, this thing is beyond your understanding. It's like, well, okay. I feel like there's a lot more nuance to every situation here. - Also, I think like, you know, that whole phrasing of scientists can't explain. Scientists are not supposed to explain. They're supposed to make it easier to explain, but they're not the ones who are supposed to be like, so this is exactly how it is because we saw it and we measure it and everything like that. No, like they're just building

theories on top of theories on top of theories until we eventually get to something that everyone can agree is the truth. - It's iterative, it takes time. I think maybe they can't explain something- - We adjust our views based on what's observed. - Doesn't necessarily mean that it's never gonna be explained. - Yeah. - Yeah. But I do believe in parallel universes.

- Unironically? - Unironically, yeah. - That's cool. - I think I unironically believe in it as well. - I don't. - I think just it's a convenient, yes, it is a convenient way to explain a lot of inexplicable things that are happening right now that we're observing. But it's also just a cool idea. - Well, it's a sick idea. I just don't buy it. - Sick idea. - I don't buy it. - It's a cool idea, but also I believe like, you know, 'cause I've been getting deep into like the whole kind of like physics side of things of like,

higher dimensions. And it just seems to me like all of our science kind of breaks down when we get to like the quantum level. There is so much that just does not make sense logically in our brains when you go down to like that level. And it's, you know, conceptually parallel universes where everything happens all at once, whatever, you know, that's cool from a story perspective, but like even,

even like more simple stuff. Like why does time move the direction it does? Why does time move forwards? You think that it makes sense on a conceptual level when we think about this universe, but if you go to like the quantum level, I believe there's no actual proof of why time needs to move in the direction it does. Same thing with kind of like entropy, which is the kind of like idea that

- Same big words now, Garnt. - Yeah. - Entropy is chaos, right? - The idea that everything- - Chaos theory. - Yeah, kind of like everything moves to like energy move from disorder to order or it might be the other way around. - I think Garnt and I have been watching the same videos recently 'cause this is all the shit I've been watching as well. - This is too much. - Yeah.

- And I believe out of everything, I think parallel universes is one of the more kind of like- - Yeah, I don't see it as like this fringe idea. I just think that right now we don't have the tools to accurately be like, we're pretty confident this is gonna be good.

- It's just the most easiest to understand and wrap your head around explanation for something we have no explanation for so far. Also the coolest way to explain it. - It's the coolest way to explain it. But also there are just so many rules of the universe where it just doesn't make sense.

I think one of the biggest things that I can think of in terms of like an interesting idea is that, you know, in the universe there are certain, let's say constants, like the speed of light or something, or like forces that are like the strong force, the weak force, like constants that we cannot change and we can only get by observing through the universe. It's been proven that if these constants are changed or tweaked just a little bit,

then the universe just doesn't exist in the way that it does. Stars don't form, molecules don't like, atoms don't like bond together. It's interesting that we live,

in a place where so many different coincidences came to be for us to be where we are today. - What can I say? The Lord cooked up a banger. - Yeah, yeah. - He just knew. - And to me, to think that we just won the lotteries of lotteries of lotteries and- - Someone has to. - Yeah, someone has to. Or if we just like, to me, like what makes more logical sense is that we are just one lucky universe out of fucking

fucking so many where all of these little coincidences like put into place. That to me seems more likely than the other option of just we're just the only ones.

- Sometimes the loneliest thoughts are the truest. - That's just my theory though. That's a Garnt theory. - Well, we went, we started on the Mandela effect and quickly got on something else. - Yeah, we really broadened the scope. - The Mandela effect theory as it goes, it's all right, it's all right.

- I find the Mandela effect fascinating. - It's a cool concept. - It's very fascinating why it happens. And we've seen it, we've observed this happening in real life. - But the conspiracy theory that goes along with it, I'm like, eh, I don't know. - Yeah, that I'm not too sure of. - The Mandela effect to me comes in the same kind of sphere as deja vu, which is like, how do you explain deja vu?

- We've had this kind of conversation before. - It's just a glitch in the matrix, isn't it? - It's just like, it just, to me- - Your brain programming fucking up. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think it's like your brain thinking that you've done something and you just haven't. - Can I say my conspiracy theory? - Okay, go on, go on. - I believe-

I believe that maybe we've experienced it like this moment, like in a dream. And like, it's been like ingrained to our subconscious. And then you just have this moment where something just, you think you've experienced it before. And I think to me, maybe I've dreamed it before or some kind of similar situation. Well, there's also that theory of, you know, when they say like right before you die, your life flashes before your eyes. It's the theory that like the life we're living right now is that flashback.

- Wait, what do you mean? - Don't fucking do that to me. Don't fucking do that to me. - The life, what we are experiencing right now is the flashback of the life we've already lived. And that explains the deja vu because what we're experiencing right now is the flashback of our life. - Okay, but if that was possible- - That'll fuck you up for days. - If that was okay, 'cause we've managed to actually

scientists managed to replicate this phenomenon in person. So we know this is a real thing, but if that was true, how are we able to then replicate it within, are you saying there's multiple layers of flashbacks within flashbacks we can do? - Sure. - Oh, fucking hell. - Who knows? This is where the parallel universe theory might come in as well. - All right, okay, enough of this shit. Let's get into real shit. - All right, what are you going? - Real believable, finally something we can all agree on.

- Ash Ketchum from Pokemon is in a coma. And I believe that wholeheartedly. - Wait, we've stooped down to like creepypasta levels. - No, no, what do you mean? This is like a, this is, he's in a theory. Like I don't think the creator even knows this himself, but like Ash Ketchum is in a coma. - Okay. - This is my theory, all right? - Sure. I mean, this would be very easy to debunk. All we have to do is ask Satoshi Tajiri. - You can't ask him. - Why?

- He doesn't exist. - Well, I saw him at dinner one time and I asked him and he was like, fun fact, I did actually- - He's part of the conspiracy theory. - I did actually see him and he was like, "Yeah, Connor, he's in a caravan, buddy." - His English is very good. - I asked him Japanese actually. - Oh, okay. So what's this theory? Ash Ketchum in a caravan? 'Cause I have heard of this before, but I don't know the details. - Number one, Ash, why is he forever young?

- Why can he not age? - 'Cause he's not real. - What do you mean? What are you saying right now, Joey? - He's a fictional character. - What do you mean? That's preposterous. - Is Detective Conan the same thing as well?

- Well, he's racist. - I don't remember that episode. - It was a different episode. - Remember the Conan being racist episode? - That's a Mandela effect. - I remember that one right. - He hates foreigners actually. So, you know, obviously Ash Ketchum never ages. - Sure. - What the fuck's going on there? - That's a bit sus.

- The Pokemon world is seen as an idealized version of reality where children can travel the world safely and live out adventures. - Sure. - Which could be a manifestation of a child's dream. Think about it.

If this is the real world, I don't think we'd be letting fucking 12 year olds run around with fucking dangerous animals that shoot laser beams. - That is true. - So I think this is Ash Ketchum's idealized world. - So Ash is making it up in the world. - Yeah, because like the world of Pokemon from any responsible adult shouldn't exist. - See, I have a piece of evidence that also proves that because in episodes of Pokemon, if you notice, look at the details, right?

- Of course there are wild Pokemon out and about, but they're also just like regular ass birds. - Yeah, right? - That are not Pokemon. So it's like, so are Pokemon animals? - Are they?

- There are some scenes where it's just like a regular like fish or like a regular like just bird that is not a Pokemon. - Yeah, right. And so this is Ash's subconscious blending his reality understanding of life before he got in the coma. - Look at that.

- Look at that, that's regular fish. None of those are Pokemon. - And what that is, that is Ash Ketchum's previous life. His memories are seeping into this. - So he's adding Pokemon onto the real world. - So yeah, so he's building the world from his knowledge, right? 'Cause the world is pretty normal. It's a pretty normal world. There's normal animals. Just so happens that there's been Pokemon on top

which is like a different class. And because you could say, yeah, it's a children's show, but Ash's view of this world and the world that way it's presented is too childlike, right? Why is there no black market for selling Pokemon? Why is there no- - Well, that's what Team Rocket does, right? - Yeah, but they're like, why do they never get it done? You know what I mean? If it was the real world, they'd be pretty fucking successful. They'd be pretty good. - They wouldn't be stopped by a 10 year old, that's for sure. - Why did...

James have massive boobs in that one episode. That's- - Well, some countries didn't see that episode. - Exactly, which is part of his coma. So another piece of- - You know what I've always wondered? Like why don't they eat Pokemon?

- Well, that's why, 'cause he can't conceptualize that. - Well, they have actually hinted that in some episodes of Pokemon. There's a scene, I remember there's an episode where like James and Jesse are out in the ocean and they have to eat a Magikarp. Yeah, and they imagine eating a Magikarp. This is exactly the scene I remember. - Oh shit. - Yeah, so this suggests that perhaps they do eat certain Pokemon.

- Yeah, and in the first episode, Ash is struck by lightning, which also could put him in a coma very well. - Oh, he gets electrocuted by Pikachu. - He does, yeah. They are the same characters and themes often occur in the series, which could be seen as a manifestation of a comatose mind's limited creativity.

They also, the increasingly fantastical elements and powerful characters introduced to the series progresses are interpreted as a comatose mind's attempt to keep the dream interesting and engaging. - Right, right. - And the fact that Ash never fucking achieves his goal ever. What's up with that? - Well, he does in the final season. - He does, he does, he does. - Well, that's different. - Out of the lamb.

- Out of the number of times he failed in the Elite Four, he finally woke up and won the Elite Four. - But that's it, that's the end of the coma, right? He gets out of it at that point. So he was in a coma until he did it. - Is that why they booted Ash off the Pokemon series? Because he woke up from his coma? - Yeah, 'cause he woke up from his coma and they were like, "Well, shit, Ash, sorry." - His 25, 30 year coma. - I think at the end of the day,

- He's a fucking idiot. He's in a fucking coma. You know, like they're eating a fucking lobster right now. - Honestly, I really liked this theory. - Yeah. - This theory makes more logical sense than some of the stuff that happens in Pokemon. - Well, there's also my other favorite Pokemon theory is the theory that Pokemon used to be people.

- What? - Yeah, there's a theory, look it up. The Pokemon used to be theory people. Used to be people theory, excuse me. So I think it's in like black and white or one of the games, like there's this area where you can read a bunch of like history books and there's some weird ass fucking dialogue that suggests that Pokemon used to be humans.

And it's never explained why they- - Kadabra's entry in, I can't read that. FireRed states that a boy with extra sensory powers one day woke up as a Kadabra. - Yeah, Gengar's entry- - Gengar's entry in the movie states that Gengar was once human and takes the lives of other humans to keep it company. - So there were just like little hints like the Pokedex entries and like certain in game dialogue where you're just like, wait, were Pokemon humans at one point? And then they became Pokemon? - Here's the thing. How would you define a Pokemon?

- Well, Pokemon is short for pocket monster. So it's basically any monster that fits on your pocket. - Are human Pokemon? - You can't fucking tame and like ball humans in this world. - No one's tried. - I'm just saying. - I'm just saying we've done it in the real world. - I'm just saying the history of like humanity

- Are you saying slavery? Is that what you're saying? - Yes, yes. - Yeah, kinda. - What's to stop someone trying to catch a human with a Pokeball? - Presumably it just won't work. - Well, no one's trying, hey?

- I'm just saying, is there a difference between Pokemon and everything else in the Pokemon world? How do we distinguish that? What is the definition? - Sure. - Maybe humans were the real Pokemon all along. - Another thing, why is it like no adults? There's barely any adults in the Pokemon universe. And then when they are there, they all just don't fucking do anything.

Like what's the nine to five? Also, there's no shot that Brock's Pokemon are real. Like why does he have the shittest gym loadout?

Like that just doesn't make sense. But only a comatose mind could think of that. - Only a comatose mind would be like Geodude is my pick. - You would have to be comatose to make up some of these gym leader lineups. - Even a six year old would be like, nah, Geodude's whack bro. - Yeah bro. He rocks up with the Geodude and he's like, well, hold on guys, I got an Onix. And it's like another rock? It's like, you know, you have to be comatose to bring some of these Pokemon here.

- Well, the whole idea of Pokemon started off with Satoshi Tajiri growing up catching insects as a child. And then he envisioned like these insects in his childlike mind to be like more of these like monsters and like these- - Which is what Ash is doing in this comic. - Yeah, which is- - And Brock is his repressed sexual energy being expressed through a character. - And that's why Ash in the Japanese version, his name is Satoshi.

'Cause it's named after Satoshi Tajiri, the great. - Maybe that's why- - So Satoshi Tajiri might be in a coma.

- Maybe that's why all Nurse Joys are the same. - Yes, why they're the same. - Oh yeah. - And the Officer Jennys are all the same. - They can't envision anything else. - Shit. - His consciousness can only go so far in terms of rendering original characters. - It's like a render distance in Minecraft. - I've reached my character creation limit.

- I'm on the free trial right now. I can't make anymore. - You know the jelly donuts, that was a glitch in Ash's comatose mind. - Shit. - Why was that? - Wait, hold on, go back. I just saw Brock making out with Ness Joy. What the fuck is that? Oh wait, that's not real. - Why have you got a deviant art pic of Brock making out with Ness Joy? - Brock with all Ness Joy. - What the fuck is this? - Oh my God, we got a fucking thumbnail.

- That is never happening. - We're not using that as a thumbnail. - Okay, yeah, when it comes to like video game theories, especially Pokemon theories, I love this theory because it is very, it could definitely happen. And the fact that no one in Nintendo also told you to jury himself coming up being like, no, that's cap.

- My favorite kind of conspiracy theories are the ones with TV shows or whatever. It's just fun to be like, yeah, this- - Like the Ed and Eddie living in purgatory theory. - Yeah, that one's sick. - That one's sick. - I actually, I subscribe to this idea. - Yeah. - Checks out. - It makes the show more fun when you think of it like this. - Yeah. - And also it brings logical answers to some of the inconsistencies you might find with the happy go lucky childhood world of Pokemon. - Also, I love these kinds of conspiracy theories because

even if they are true, even if they are false, it literally doesn't make a world of difference. - Yeah. - Like in the real world. Like no, there aren't gonna be like a group of people being like, "How fucking dare you say this theory? It is factually incorrect. You are feeding lies to the children." Like no one fucking cares. - Yeah. - You know, it's cool. It's a cool theory. Let's keep conspiracy theories to this level. - That's my theory about it. - That is definitely the most believable theory. - Nine out of 10.

- I'll give that like an eight or a nine. - I appreciate it. - Yeah, for sure. - Thank you. - What's the most, what Pokemon would you eat? What's the most delicious Pokemon? - Ooh. - The most delicious Pokemon? - What's the cow Pokemon? - Miltank? - Miltank? - Oh yeah, Miltank medium rare. - Miltank steak. - You put some Miltank butter, garlic butter on there too. - God damn. - I think Snorlax would probably taste pretty good. - Oh, I love this fucking. - Can you imagine like the fat content on Snorlax?

- Oh God, Snorlax would be delicious. - I reckon Chansey's eggs on toast would be pretty fire as well. - Banger. Japanese people will say whalelord, I'm just kidding. - I'm just kidding. - Are you? - No, I hate whale, it's disgusting. - What about unhatched togepi? - Unhatched togepi, would that be kind of like, yeah.

- Maybe. - Didn't we do this on an episode one time? We were like, which of the tastiest Pokemon? I swear we did this. - I think we did dinosaurs. - No, we did the tastiest dinosaur. - I swear we did Pokemon. I don't know if I'm crazy, bro. That's the Mandela effect right there. - Yeah, I think we can all agree, Miltank for sure. - Tauros maybe? - Can you say, oh, Tauros. - Like a buffalo steak? - Are there any turtle Pokemon? - Shellder? - There's a lot of turtle Pokemon. - There's a bunch of turtle Pokemon. - Yeah, Squirtle. - Squirtle. - Squirtle the turtle?

- Squirtle soup. - Squirtle soup? - Squirtle soup. - I think I could go hard. I think Blastoise is like, his meats would be way too tough and too gamey. - Say that again slowly. - His meat would be too tough. He'd be too bricked up. - Can you look up what is the tastiest Pokemon? - Yeah, top 10 tastiest Pokemon.

- It's got, I mean, all the crab would be, oh, crabby would be fire. - Oh, crabby. - All the ice cream. - Vanilla ice, obviously. - Yeah. - Yeah, there's Shuckle. Why Shuckle? - I agree, Chauncey's egg looks like delicious. - Which Pokemon is the tastiest? Let's see. Oh, it's ranked as well. Smoliv? - Just got another one. - I mean, it is just a fucking- - Just got another one. - Tropius? - Yeah, what's the- - Oh my God, it's multiple pages. It's so cringe.

- Let's see. - All right, let's see. - Number one is- - Oh, there's literally a cake. - There's literally a cake. - Yeah. - That is not a real poke. - Oh yeah. - Oh, Galarian Farfish? Dude, chicken and leek? - Yeah. - It's a fucking, isn't it a duck? - Is it a duck? - I thought Farfish was a duck. - Oh shit, it might be a duck. - It's a duck, right? - I don't think it's a chicken. - It's not a fucking chicken. What, your whole life you thought it was a chicken?

- I don't know why I thought it was a chicken. - Wait, wait, wait. Your whole life you've been farfetched with a chicken? - Why did I think it was a chicken? - It's a duck, right? Yeah, it's a duck. - Yeah, that is a duck. - It's got fucking webbed feet. - That is a duck. Why did I think it was a chicken? - Wait, did your whole life you think it was a chicken? - I think, yeah. Why did I think it was a chicken? I'm a fucking idiot. Of course it's a duck.

That's like saying side duck is a chicken. - Isn't it based off like some kind of Japanese- - Yeah, 'cause the Japanese name is Kamonegi, which literally means duckly. - Yeah, right, what the fuck? - I'm an idiot. - Yeah, well, there you go. - It's a chicken now, it's a chicken. - It's a chicken now. - You have no excuse. You literally know the Japanese. - Yeah. - Oh. - God damn. - But it would taste fire. - It would taste fire. - I agree. - It would taste fire. - With the leek as well. - Very down. - Yeah, leek is just banging.

- I love leeks. - The Welsh news like Farfetch'd duck and leek. - One of my favorite foods in Japan is negi-ma. So, very good. One of the best foods you can get in Japan. - So yeah, that's the other theory. - Farfetch'd yakitori would go so hot.

- Can I get far fetched Taddei please? - Sukune. - Sukune please. - Sukune. - All right, so I think we can all agree the Pokemon theories or the video game theories are definitely the most valid. - I prefer these. - Definitely better. - Let us know down below which ones that you guys thought were the most fun. - And in case you wanted to see another, 'cause we have a big list and we thought we'd get through a lot of them. We got through about,

And just in case, I'm just gonna say this for safety. We were joking a lot of this video. We don't believe any of this shit. If you do, good on you, I guess, but we don't believe in it. But yeah.

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