The WORST Fandoms in Anime | Trash Taste #16
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- What's up, Big Peepy Nation? Welcome back to another episode. - Oh no. - Trash that, I tried to say that with a straight face, I'm sorry. - Like budget Felix now. - What, Big Peepy Nation? - Yeah. - That's the name of the fan base now, Big Peepy Nation. I am leader of Big Peepy Nation, Joey, and with me are my two other leaders of Big Peepy Nation, Garnt and Connor.

- It's TT on the PP. - I'm so glad to be a part of the big PP nation. All of my self-esteem issues are gone. - It's not funny to say. - It's like going back to the PP poo-poo thing.

- It doesn't matter how old you are. Pee pee poo poo is one of the funniest things I've ever said. - You know how poop jokes were like funny when you were five and then you hit teenager and they stopped being funny. And then as an adult, they get like funny again. - Yeah, what is that? What is it? It's more like, what is it with like teenage years where you're just like, no, pee and poo jokes are out. I'm more intelligent than that.

- Let me look at a CK Lewis special instead for two hours, learn about the world with some high quality comedy. And then five years later, you're like, "Big Peepy Nation, what's up?"

- Oh my God. - Uncultured, uncultured, clearly, I'm kidding. I'm the biggest defender of it. - Yeah, dude. - Yeah, you are. - If anyone is Big Teepee Nation, it's you. - How I think I am, like the Winnie the Pooh meme, you know? How I actually am, you know? - Oh my God, so what are we talking about today, guys? - Oh, I mean, we could talk about anything. I thought I would tell a story to begin with. - Okay. - I was in my Japanese class this morning. - Story time with Connor. - Story time, it's story time. - Story time!

- Right, so I was in my Japanese class as I do learn Japanese, not very successfully as always, but you know, I turn up, you know, I'm helping. - Yeah, you're there. - I'm helping, I'm helping. And I was in the break time, we get like a five minute break. I don't know why, it's only two hours. I don't really feel like you need a break for two hours, you know, whatever. So we get a break and we're chilling in like the lounge area. It's like that kind of hip. - A lounge area? - They have like a kind of, it's like this like fake hip college kind of area. It's like, yeah, sit where you want, man.

and like everything's a chair. And so I was just sitting and then I was talking with my teacher and then a guy right next to me like here is like, "Hey, do I know you?" And I'm like, "That's always the worst." And I'm like, "No." I'm like, "Oh, I don't know." He's like,

"You're a YouTuber, right?" I have my mask on, bear in mind as well. - Right, right, right. - And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, I guess that's me." And I just stared at him. I was like, "I was so caught off guard, I didn't know what to say." So I was just like, I looked just dead in that, like the Mike Wazowski meme again. I love that meme. I just looked at him like, "Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah." Just stared at him.

And then I was like, oh no, that was pretty funny. Thinks of an asshole now. So if you're watching this, I'm sorry. I just stared at you blankly when you recognized. - Wait, wait, so he came up to you and was like, you're the YouTuber, right? And you said, yeah. And then he just didn't say anything or? - He was like, oh yeah, I think I've seen your stuff. And I was like, oh, thanks. - I love it when you like get recognized and they come over and I'm like, hey, you're that guy, right? And then you say, yeah. And then you kind of see the realization on their face that they didn't plan the conversation out.

at any point after they said that. You know what I mean? - It's just 'cause I didn't expect it. In my Japanese class in Japan. I mean, there's a lot of foreigners there admittedly, but it's something like a lot older people than me. So I just didn't expect it. - Yeah, what is up with some people who are just like, "Oh, he's a YouTuber. "He'll leave the conversation on right afterwards." - I didn't mind. I felt bad 'cause I felt like I should have been like,

"Oh man, how you doing?" Or something. I was just like, "Yeah." - Because when you get recognized not at an anime convention, right? 'Cause I feel like when you get recognized in an anime convention, you're like in the zone. You're like, "Okay, I'm expecting this. I know how to handle this." But when it's just out on the streets, IRL. - It's like not near a convention, just my daily life. - Yeah, just in your daily life. You just get blindsided. Because you get caught during your off period.

Because like at a con you're always on your own period where you're like, all right, there's people around me, people looking for me. - Yeah, not to be like egotistical, but at a con you know there's gonna be some people like, especially at an anime convention, you know people are gonna know you, so you're like ready for it. But you know, when I'm just at my school or on the gym,

- It's like the last thing that's in my head is that I'm a YouTuber, right? I'm just thinking like, I'm just gonna get my fucking day over with. - That was like the time where I got recognized by, it was the first time I was ever recognized by like a straight up Japanese person. Like can't speak a word of English-Japanese. And it was a fucking salary man in like his mid forties. And when he like tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around, there was just this like mid forties, like borderline ugly bastard looking fucking.

- Oh, that poor guy. - I'm serious. It was like borderline ugly bastard looking guy. I was just like, oh no, I'm in danger. - I'm in danger. - I'm in danger. And then in Japanese, he was like, oh, you're the YouTuber who collabed with Kizuna Ai, right?

- That's how he knows you. - Immediately I was like, "You're a Kizuna Ai fan." - Of course you are. You look like a VTuber fan. - He's defending all the VTubers. - Call me out like that, Joey.

- So you look like a Japanese VTuber fan. And so I was like, yeah, yeah, I did. 'Cause I think it was like maybe one or two weeks after I did my first collab with Kizuna AI. And that was like a really big thing for me where I got a lot of Japanese eyes on me. 'Cause before that, because I don't really speak in Japanese on my channel, right? Japanese people aren't subscribed to my shit. But when I was on Kizuna AI's channel, 'cause I spoke Japanese,

I got a lot of like Japanese people who came to my channel obviously. And the salary man was like, "Oh, after I saw your collab with Kizuna Ai, oh sorry, no, he said Ai-chan. So I was like, "Oh yeah, you're definitely a fan." So after I saw your collab with Ai-chan, I subscribed to your channel. And I was like, "Oh, do you understand, like, can you speak English?" And he's like, "No, but I watch your videos to learn English."

And I was like, hmm. Just in the back of my head, I was like going through my entire- - All the terrible stuff. - All the horrible shit. I'm just like, I'm pretty sure I say cunt like every three words in my videos. And so jokingly, I was like, oh yeah, I mean, my videos aren't the best to learn English with. And in a straight face, he's like, no, actually I've learned a lot from your videos. - He's like, oh no. - Yeah, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

But yeah, that was scary. Have you ever been recognized by a Japanese person? - Yeah, I've been recognized once by a Japanese person in Japan. It was like the most random place. 'Cause I think, I can't remember what date it was, but I think I was like on a date with Sydney somewhere in Japan. And we went to this like random Italian restaurant, right? It was like a local run Italian restaurant.

but it was like run by a Japanese person and we come in and for some reason the Japanese person was just like, the guy waitering us was just like super, super nice. We thought he was just like this over enthusiastic Japanese person. He was like trying to speak English to us and everything. And we're like, oh man, this is a really nice restaurant. I don't know if they're just nice to everyone here. And then we get the bill

and he puts on like this massive discount on it. - Right. - And we're like, there must be a mistake. We got like the wrong bill or something. So we go up to the guy trying to speak like our broken Japanese, just to say like, this is wrong. This is the wrong price. And he goes like,

He also like communicates in like broken English and Japanese being like, "Oh no, like I just wanted to say thank you for like everything you've done. You, like I watched your videos to help again, learn English." - Learn English.

And I'm like, man, why are our videos being used as a resource to learn English? - There are so many good videos out there where you can actually learn English. Don't use AniTuber videos to learn English. It's never a good idea. - Although I don't know, I feel like whenever I, if I ever get to meet a VTuber and I'm like, man, thank you for helping me learn Japanese.

I'm wondering if they're gonna like have the same kind of reaction on the other side. - Who's this guy? - That's like that cashier at the family mine near our house who was like a fan of my videos.

And every now and then, like if when I go to the family mart near my house late at night and he's working there late at night, he's sometimes just like, "Yo, come here." And he leads me to the cash register and he's like, "See all this chicken in here? We're gonna throw it out." - Yeah, they give you it for free. - Do you just want some? And he just gives me the free fucking family mart chicken. I'm like,

- Yeah, sure, why not? This is probably gonna kill me, but it's all right. I'll take some free chicken. - Yeah, shout out to you by the way, whatever your name is. - I actually got recognized last week as well, in the last week. - Calm down, man. - It's a bit of an awkward story though. And what's awkward about it is the guy mentions that he watches Trash Taste every week. - Really? - Yeah, so I'm about to tell the story and

- Hello guy who's probably watching this. - He's probably shitting his pants right now. - That's me. - Okay, because it was a bit of an awkward,

I'm not gonna lie. And the thing is, I'm probably gonna see this guy again in the future because, okay, so where I met this guy was at an anime bar in Akihabara. So I went to this anime bar in Akihabara and it was a really, really cool bar, but it was like kind of small. I can't remember the name of it. I think Maylin was the one who told me about it. But I remember that,

I went in there and immediately one guy recognizes me. And I didn't see that, Meilyne saw that. - Japanese guy or Western guy? - We thought he was Japanese, but he was like California. - California, okay, yeah. - And like, you know when you get recognized and it's just like that look. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like the triple take, right? - Yeah, yeah. - I've never had one that aggressive, Jesus, man. - No, but like, you know, like when you're at an anime convention, you're just like the,

- And like, they're like, they like,

they're like debating about whether they should say hello for like the next like five minutes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Just come, just come. - And like if that ever happens, if that ever happens, just please, just come, come, come, now, come now. - I'm so sorry that we always reference that. It's just, you can't stop fucking laughing at that shit. - So yeah, so we're sitting at the bar and the waiter comes up to us and goes, "Yeah, do you mind if that guy says hello to you? Apparently he knows you from some way." And I'm like, "Yeah, sure." - The waiter did this?

- Yeah, the waiter did this. - Oh wow, like fucking romance thing? - No, so I think he asked the waiter and so he comes, says hello and we have like a nice friendly chat. It was a friendly chat, he seemed like a friendly guy, but it wasn't anything more than that. He was just like, "Oh, what are you doing here? "Do you work here? "Do you live here?" - Just the casual banter. - Just a casual small talk. Didn't seem like that weird or anything. But,

So we go back to our tables and we just carry on the night. And that was like my last interaction with him. - Right. - Right. And so as we're leaving, the bars closed early because of Corona and everything. - Yeah. - And everywhere closes early in Tokyo now.

So we're going out and we go down the lift and just as he's about to get in the lift, the lift is kind of like full. So it's just like our group and we go down the lift and we have no idea where we're about to go, right? - Right. - Because we're like, oh, it's anywhere even open right now. And one person says that there's like a karaoke place right next to the bar that is like anime themed.

And that sounds fucking awesome. So we go to this karaoke themed, I'm sorry, this anime themed karaoke and we get the Ava room and it's such a fucking, it's such an awesome room. I gotta tell you. - Oh, we gotta go there. - I gotta tell you guys there sometime. - Hell yeah. - Yeah, so we're chilling in there for like a good, good like 10 minutes, just like, you know, picking out, choosing our beers, getting some food and, you know, picking our songs. And then one of the waiter comes in and brings in like an extra towel.

which if you've never been to like a Japanese establishment, when you come in, you get like the wet towels. Everyone gets like a wet towel for like how many people there are. So we start asking, oh, did someone order an extra towel or something? What's going on? And then the guy just waltzes in and goes like, "Boys, can I join you?" And so I look around and I'm like, okay,

- Okay, he was talking to someone else in the group at the time. So I look at him to be like, "Did you invite him?" 'Cause I didn't invite him. Sydney didn't invite him. Maylin didn't invite him, I don't think. So it must've been you. And I just saw like the look of confusion on his face. - It wasn't me, it wasn't me. - And I was just immediately like, "Oh, okay, no one invited him. Okay."

how the fuck did he know that we were in this specific room when we didn't even know that we were in this specific room? - That's so creepy. - That only just means then that he followed you guys. - Yeah, but I don't know how he followed us because as we like, we walked to the karaoke place. - Right. - And so we didn't know we were going to the karaoke place until after we'd gotten out of the bar and he wasn't there behind us.

So apparently like he said that he's like, he knows everyone in the place, he's a regular. And so somehow he found out we were in this specific room and he, you know, apparently he just thought he was, he could just join us. And if you're watching this guy, which you probably are. - As a fan of Trash Taste. - As a fan of Trash Taste. This is totally a call out because, you know, as we're,

- As I'm probably gonna be in the area. - You're gonna say it now. - I'm gonna say this now as the same as I'm gonna say it probably next time I see you, "Bruh, that was pretty creepy." If we had interacted more, I would have been totally fine if we had invited you or if you had like,

if you were like talk to us beforehand, but the fact that you just showed up like unannounced and we didn't know how you got, we didn't know how you knew where we were. Like we didn't even know we were gonna be there. So I don't know what you were expecting. - I'd like to think that he was expecting like the moment he come in the room, you were just like.

- You did it, you did it. - Congratulations. - Join us, you found us, you solved the mystery. You can now join us. - You have unlocked the secret ending, please enjoy.

- I mean, it's at like conventions there as well, right? People do that all the time. I remember I was with Amber Eachi at a con and Emily comes up to me 'cause we were hanging out the whole con 'cause we didn't really know anyone. And there's just two guys with her. She's like, "We getting lunch, Connor?" I'm like, "Yeah, who are those two?" She was like, "Oh, I don't know." I'm like, "What are they doing?" They're like,

they asked if they could join us for lunch. I'm like, do you want them to? And she's like, not really. And I was like, all right, okay. And then I was like, hey guys, we already know you. We're gonna get lunch, sorry. - Yeah, I feel- - 'Cause some people don't wanna be the asshole. - Yeah, how'd you guys handle that? - I just straight up tell them, I'm like, hey man, I don't know who you are.

- There's really no nice way of saying that, unfortunately. You just have to, I mean, you know, and I can tell that sometimes when people do that, they don't mean it in like a creepy way. - No, no, no. - A lot of them just, you know, they've met who might be someone they really look up to. This is their one chance to socialize with them. Maybe, you know, don't really think about, hey, it might be a little weird if you just kind of like follow someone. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'd like to feel like I'm pretty, I'm a pretty open guy in terms of like social situations.

- I've like had plenty of situations where, you know, we were at like a social gathering or a party and then, you know, we joined someone else's karaoke room. - And someone's cool and you're like, "Hey man, come on." - Yeah, well, you know, there are like several steps that you have to take before that, before both parties are like mutually comfortable with something like that. - Right, right.

which is, this is equally a message to like everyone at conventions and everything like that, because I'm sure we have like a lot of different stories of just like awkward social situations where you don't really know people and they kind of just invite themselves into your group. And I feel like it would be the same whether we're famous or like not. - No, yeah, it's just like general social skills.

- I think my absolute pet peeve though more than that is because like, you know, at least with people who try and, you know, get a little too social with us or whoever they admire, right? And try and sneak themselves into our friend group or whatever is that at least you can just straight up be like,

"Okay, I'm not cool with this or whatever." You can directly do something about it, right? What I find worse than that, and this is sometimes at conventions, this is sometimes just out in public, is when they take a photo of you from a distance. - Oh yeah. - And then they tag you either on Twitter or Instagram being like, "I saw Joey at blah, blah, blah." And it's just like, it's just, it's like paparazzi. It's like, it's so, like I had one,

I forgot where it was. It was some con in the US, but we were nowhere near the con. And we were just hanging out at some mall because we had already finished all our panels and whatever. We were just hanging out with a couple of my friends. And then, you know, it was fine. You know, we didn't really, we ran into like maybe like two or three people, but whatever, like they came up to us and said hello and whatnot. And then I went back to the hotel and I was just checking through Twitter. And then I saw this photo.

but it looked like I was on the ground floor and you know how some malls they have like a big open thing. - Yeah, the open top, right, right, right. - It looked like someone had taken a photo of Aki and I from like the fifth floor.

And it was this- - Enhance, enhance. - Yeah, no, we didn't even have to enhance because they drew a red circle around us. - Hey man, they made the thumbnail for you. - Yeah, they made the thumbnail for me. They were like, they drew a red circle around us and being like, "I saw Aki and Joey at so and so mall." I'm just like,

That's fucking terrifying. Jesus Christ. Like if he saw us, they just like, like it would have been less embarrassing and less creepy if they had just fucking shouted my name from the fifth floor. Right? - Yeah. - Then at least I would know that they're there, but they were like, I can't let them see me. Like why, why would you do that? It's just like, you know, I get it. - Some of these people are nervous. I know they tweet at me sometimes. - I get that they're nervous. Right? But there's a,

there's a difference between being nervous and being creepy. You know what I mean? - Yeah, I mean, like I understand, like I try to be as like understandable as I can with people being nervous. - I didn't scold them or anything. I didn't call them out on Twitter or whatever because it's happened more than once. But every time I see stuff like that and thankfully it hasn't happened in a long, long, long time. But whenever, every now and then when stuff like that does pop up on my Instagram or Twitter or whatever, I'm just like, dude, come on.

You were literally, you took a photo of me. There was another one when I was back home in Sydney and I was just like walking, I think I was walking around with my sister or something and someone had taken a photo of me from behind, but it wasn't from like even that much of a distance. It was literally like this distance. And I was just like, that's fucking terrifying.

- Because if I had turned around at that moment, I don't know what they would have done. Would they have just stood there like Mike Wazowski? Like, "I wasn't taking a photo, I swear, bye." - Yeah, I don't know. I mean, people can just talk to me whenever. Like I might like look at them blankly for a second as I realize what's happening. But I mean, you can always come up to me. - But if you're that close to me to take a photo, just come up to me. - Just like, I wanna talk to people. - I like talking to people.

- As long as you, you know, just come on in like a nice friendly way. - Yeah, as long as you don't come up to me and like growl the shit out of me. Like, I don't care, just come up to me. But that's the thing though, right? I think a lot of people don't like to come up to,

or whoever they admire because it's their private time currently. - I don't give a shit. - I don't give a shit. - Unless I'm like eating at a restaurant. Like if I'm sitting down clearly eating, don't. - You've said that a number of times. - Or if I'm in like a private karaoke room, for example, you know. - At my house, you know. - Yeah. - If I'm walking around in public, I don't give a shit. Like come up to me.

- Exactly. - Same here. I love having conversations. - So there's a PSA, right? If there are any Trash Taste fans and you see any of us out on the streets, wherever, just come up to us. Just come up to us. - If it's an awkward situation, we're just probably gonna tell it on the podcast. - Yeah, exactly. - Just don't fuck it up. Don't fuck it up.

If you don't want to be called out on the podcast. - I'm kidding, there's like a hundred awkward interactions we haven't talked about. - Yeah, dude, we could dedicate an entire episode to shit like that. - We should someday. - I mean, I gotta ask you, have you guys ever had that the other way around where you've been the nervous wreck beating someone? - I've had that once. I've had like a fanboy moment. - Why is Maylene laughing? - Why are you laughing?

- We know you've been there, Meilyne. - That's just Meilyne's life. - That's just you in general. I've had that, I've never understood like the fanboy moment in my life until maybe, I think it was two or three years ago. I don't remember if I told on the podcast or whatever, but I was at Otakuthon in Montreal, Canada.

And I was a guest there. And one of the other guests was Obata Takeshi, who was the illustrator for Death Note and like, you know, Bakuman and, you know, basically that guy. And he was a guest and I knew he was a guest. Right.

But there were lots of guests at that convention. So I was like, I know he's a guest, but it's such a massive con. Like I'm probably not gonna see him. So we went to the opening ceremony 'cause we had to go to the opening ceremony. Of course he wasn't at the opening ceremony. - He was too busy for that. - He was too busy for that. So I'm just like, it's whatever. Like, you know, I might see a poster of him somewhere, whatever.

- I'll see him in the distance doing signings or whatever. - When you're two guests at a convention, that means nothing. - I know, I know, I know. - He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who I'll just meet in the green room. He's gonna have his own room or whatever. He was easily the biggest guest at that con. So I was like, okay, that's cool. I mean, it's cool that I'm in the same building as him or whatever, but it's whatever. If I don't see him, totally fine.

So we finished the opening ceremony and we're walking towards our first panel. And I think Aki was with me and she was like, Joey, you should turn around.

I'm like, why? And he's like, cause look at the guy who's like directly behind you. And I turned around and it was Obata Takeshi just kind of standing there. He's just like kind of looking at me like silently and immediately, cause he's, he has such a, cause he's like, he's got like a bald head, right? Like very distinct looking dude. And I immediately knew I'm like, holy shit, that's Obata Takeshi. And anybody would tell you if you're a guest at a con with Obata Takeshi, that is like the most optimal moment to be like,

- You could be like, "Hello." - It was the perfect timing to be like, "I'm a guest at this con too. "I'm a massive fan of your work, whatever." I couldn't say anything. I legit was like,

And at that moment I was like, oh my God, this is the fanboy moment. I understand it now. Like you really can't say anything. You just get, that was the definition of just dumbstruck. 'Cause I think I was so caught off guard that I didn't expect him to be literally standing right here looking at me. I don't know why he was looking at me either. Like silently, he was like. - Did you speak to him?

- No. - I would have loved to speak in Japanese. - I know, I should have. I missed that opportunity. I regret it to this day. - Because I've had like a similar experience when I first moved to Japan. And it was when Meilin took me to a Hiroyuki Sawano concert.

So we go to this Hiroyuki Sawano concert and it's not the type of concert you think it's gonna be, right? When I heard Hiroyuki Sawano concert, I'm like big bass, big drums, this is gonna be in your face. No, it was like at this really, really posh jazz bar. And it wasn't, I wouldn't even call it a concert because everyone had like tables and like posh little cocktails. And he was just like playing a lot of like acoustic versions of what he was, you know,

of a lot of the songs he wrote. - That's pretty cool. - Yeah, of a lot of songs he composed. So it was more like a private jazz bar kind of deal, but it was still fucking amazing. - Yeah. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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And I was just like so unprepared. I was like, I thought I was just going there to see one of my favorite anime composers. I didn't know Mayden had like all the fucking contacts that can get me. - Of course she fucking does. - Now knowing her now, of course she does. But back then, 'cause this was when I had just moved to Japan. And so we go to like the green room or whatever and I'm like waiting outside and I'm just like,

- Holy fuck. - Heavy breathing. - I'm just like, I haven't emotionally prepared myself. What am I gonna do? What am I gonna say? I was reciting all the basic fucking Japanese that I know at the time to be like, okay, I just need to say something. I need to say something. And then, so he comes out and I'm like, is he Ryukyu Sawano? Is he Ryukyu Sawano? And then, so he'll say, do you want a picture and everything?

- Yeah, sure, sure, I'll have a picture. So we take the picture and then I was like, I just wanted to say, in my mind I wanted to say, "Oh, thank you very much for your work "and everything you've done." Didn't fucking say anything. And so he, after the picture, I'm just staring at him like this and he looks up and he looks at Mei Lin and then he's just like, "Was that it?"

"Okay, I'm just gonna go back now." And then he goes back to the green room and I'm just like, "Oh fuck, I was that guy. "I was that guy. "Oh no."

- No. - Oh my God. - That's the thing though, right? Is like now that I've experienced that moment, I don't blame anybody who does that to like me or like their favorite person. - Exactly, I get it. - I completely understand how it feels now. - Like everything you recite in your head just goes out the fucking window. - Yeah. - I've never had that kind of moment. - Really, never? - No, no. I think maybe, I'm trying to think who would, maybe like Iraqi would, I'd be like.

- Oh yeah, of course. - But like that's like maybe it, like I don't know.

I don't know, it's weird. I see people who have maybe like big things and stuff that I like and I'm just kind of like, oh, that's really cool. Maybe I should say hi. Like I was at a con and it was Billy West, the guy who voices like Fry in Futurama and did like some of the Looney Tunes, like the later ones. Like one of the most iconic voice actors, right? And I was like, I mean, I grew up on all that stuff. And I was like, hi man, nice to meet you. And we were just like, 'cause he was in the same green room, so we were just talking about stuff. But I was never like,

I'm just like, "Yo, this guy's so cool." And I remember his voice and stuff. I don't know, it's weird. I guess 'cause in that moment when I see them in person, normally I don't think about their work. I'm just like, "This is another person in front of me, "and I'm gonna talk to them like that." But maybe if it's someone, again, like Iraqi, who I'm obsessed with. - I think it's also for me, at least, it was the language barrier. 'Cause I knew there was so many things I wanted to say to him. And if I could speak Japanese,

- I was like, either I look like a nervous wreck or I look like a nervous wreck speaking broken Japanese. I don't know what's better, man. - Yeah, 'cause in English it's like, you play like a word game. You don't wanna say I'm a fan.

Especially with other YouTubers, right? - You don't want to say I'm an admirer 'cause that's just kind of creepy. - I normally say like my go-to is yeah, man, dude, I love your work, man, it's sick. - Yeah, I usually say like, I appreciate your work. - Like I think the one guest I got on immediately well with was the first time I met Kevin Penkin who was like such a fucking lad. Yeah, but to be fair, like- - He's just nausea.

- Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, if you didn't know who this guy was, you'd be like, oh, it's just another Aussie bloke. - No, he totally is. - There's like this mutual, like, just,

that I feel like British people and Australian people have when they meet. It's like, we're gonna get drunk, right? Like, yeah, we're getting drunk. All right, sick, we're getting drunk. Whereas in Americans, I feel like there's a lot more like juggling involved. So you drinker, like do you drink? Do you do like, how much do you drink? Do you like party and everything like that? - Yeah, because like, have you met a ton of Americans that just don't drink? - Yeah. - Yeah, okay. - And you can never tell.

- It makes us sound like alcoholics. I'm like, no, we have to drink. - No, we are alcoholics. - In a sense. - It's ingrained in our culture where if I meet like a fellow Brit or an Aussie, it's just like, hey, I'm having some drinks later. It's not even like, it's just an assumption that they will join. - We're one step away in like Britain and Australia, we're one step away from the point of, if you don't drink, we're gonna bully you.

It's that ingrained in our culture. - Whereas whenever I meet someone American, like an American guest or something and I wanna get to know them better, I'm like, "What's the best way to approach this? "Do I ask them out for lunch or?" - I don't do drinks. You wanna get some drinks? - Pub?

- Not pub, don't say pub. Drinks is way more open-ended. - There isn't that same assumption that you're just gonna go out for drinks afterwards and just like bond over a pint or something. - I feel like if we hang out in the UK during the day and we haven't reset anything, it's just like, we're getting drinks later, right? - Yeah.

- If you're ever a guest on the podcast, probably gonna get drinks after. - Yeah, we have every single time. We did it with Chris, we did it with Carl. - Exactly. Who are like, who would you say is the, well, it doesn't have to be one person, but who would you say is the coolest person you've met? Like as a fan or as an admirer of that person, like who would you say? If someone, if I asked you, who is the coolest person you've met?

- I mean, in the anime industry, it'd probably be Hiroyuki Sawano for me. 'Cause I've been a big fan of his work for like- - You're not gonna say Kevin Pink? - Kevin knows he's a boy, man. Kevin shut the fuck up. - Kevin's like, "I'm not your favorite composer!" No, because like, it's great, right? Because I remember the first time we met Kevin and we got like pissed together and he starts talking about how like his,

like how he composed for like Made in Abyss and his process for everything like that. And he starts talking about this really like technical composition, like talk. And I'm like, man, this is really fucking interesting. This is like, a lot of people would love to hear this. This is like a really interesting conversation, but we were like pretty hammered at that point. And so I remember making a mental note being like, man, I gotta hear this again sober because this is like some really interesting stuff.

- In your head you were like, wow, this is really interesting. But what came out was shut up, Pink. Shut up, Kevin. - So like the day afterwards, the day afterwards at Crunchyroll Expo, I'm like, Matt, so what are you saying about composing like that scene with Meaty and like all that stuff? Can you just repeat what you said? 'Cause that was like super interesting. Kevin just goes, nah, man, I have no idea what the fuck I was saying.

- I was fucking pissed, mate. - Oh my God. I fucking love him. - I love him so much.

- He was so, oh man. 'Cause I remember the first time I met him IRL was when we all went. - Yeah. - In Tokyo. - And you know, the moment I saw him at that, you know, at the pub, I was like, oh shit, that's Kevin Penkin. But then the moment he opened his mouth up, he was just like, he went from Kevin Penkin to, oh look, an Aussie. - The moment I knew that it was gonna be like fine, we were all gonna get on, I sat down, he's like, right, I'm gonna get around then.

- Okay, and if you don't know what a round is, in the UK and Australia, we have this thing where I think it's a way to like trap you into having at least like seven drinks. Basically it's a system where, and this probably sounds like hell to like,

like socially anxious. - Someone who doesn't drink, yeah. - It's basically like, if there's like four or five of you, someone buys the round, which means that they buy all the drinks for everyone, and then you kind of rotate who does it. But obviously you can't just then have one, you have to go through the whole cycle. - Yeah, because you don't wanna be that guy who doesn't pay for their round. - Yeah, you don't wanna be- - Everyone know you're the stingy one. - You don't wanna be in debt with anyone. So you're getting at least as many rounds as there are people on the table, right?

That's just like how the drinking culture works. - It's such a horrible social trap because when you think about it, like in terms of the amount of money you spend, it's literally net zero, right? If you make it through the entire round. But for some reason you're just,

you're locked into this until the round is completely over. - I feel horrible. - I feel like whenever I've tried to get Americans to do this, they're like, "No, that sounds stupid. Why would we do that?" And I'm like, "No, no, just do it, just do it." - It's a social thing. - Just try it. - It's like logically, it's like, yeah, why would I not- - It's a way to get everyone drunk. - Yeah, but it's just a way to get everyone drunk and everyone social 'cause you're all in this together, right? The moment you sit down, you are in the cult. You cannot leave.

So like Kevin, we're just fucking, okay. - This is just a 10 minute Kevin Pankin appreciation. - This is a 10 minute Kevin rant. Like if you hang out with Kevin, he has this thing called Oolong Hai or Oolong Dai. And Oolong Hai is just like the worst,

with that gives you the worst hangovers. Cause it's like whiskey and oolong, right? - Yeah. - Or something like that. - Basically it's oolong and like- - Or is it soju and oolong? - Yeah, it's shochu, shochu, yeah. - Some fucking disgusting shit. - Yeah. And like he orders this every time. And I did not know that you could order like

by the jug in karaoke places, but he found a way to order it by the jug in karaoke places. - He's like, "You want a Oolong High, right? I'll try it, I guess." Two jugs come in, I'm like, "Kevin, this isn't true. What kind of sample size is this?" Like, what the fuck? Goddamn. - That is the most Australian fucking phrase for that. - Oh, you wanna just try it? - "Oolong High or Oolong Dye."

- My God. - Yeah, and then there's this one other time when I went to fucking Yaki Niki with Kevin and it was like all you can eat as well. So Kevin took all you can eat as he takes the menu and he orders two of everything off the menu. - Oh my God.

- So much disgusting stuff as well. - Yeah, and just like the food kept turning up and it was like, and he didn't tell everyone that he was ordering this much food. So we would finish this and we were like, it was like that scene in seven where the guy over feeds like the first like sloth guy.

- To like kill him, that's what it felt like. - I can not see the reference going. - 'Cause you were just eating food and you were like, your stomach was already like expanded beyond like, it felt like my stomach was fucking Jupiter or something.

That's how expanded it was. And then as soon as we finished another round of fucking yaki niku comes, I look at Connor, we're like, why did we sign ourselves up for this? - Yeah, we made him like tell the kitchen, like, please stop, like stop the order. We take it back, like fuck go back. - Well, we can't wait to have Kevin on the show. If you couldn't already tell.

- What was the original question again? - The original question was who is the coolest person you've met? And then it went to a 10 minute Kevin Pink and appreciation post. - I feel like when you meet like celebrities or whatever in the right environment, like it normally results in like really positive. Like if you're in the green room with someone that normally obviously not everyone can get in the green room sadly. But you know, if they're in a place where they're like comfortable and you talk to them, I find like most people you speak to are really fucking cool.

- That's true. - Most, most. I mean, I've met plenty of guests who have been like yikes at conventions. Won't go into that. - Yeah, well we should leave them unnamed. - Yeah. - I don't want to get called out.

'Cause at one time I punched that kid. I really don't want that getting out. - One time punched that guest. - Some of the stuff I've seen guests do, you're like, holy shit, they're confident doing that in front of like eight other guests. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah, I've seen guests that have made like, 'cause at cons you get like handlers. I've seen them like make their handlers cry over like nothing. We're all just sitting there in the room like,

- Okay. - 'Cause I'm just sitting here being like, I don't even know what to do with my hand. - I don't even know where my handle is. - I tell them, I'm like, listen, I'm fine. Maybe I'll need a coffee at some point over this weekend. Like, I feel bad asking you to do that. I don't know.

I feel like one guest who, and this is probably gonna be like, so like, of course, Connor. So when I was doing like obviously Sebastian stuff for so long. - I knew you were gonna do that. - Okay, no, 'cause like I felt like I learned so much, right? So I was copying J. Michael Tatum's Sebastian Impressant for so fucking long, right?

And I was so worried when I met him, 'cause I was like, I'm literally like made my career at that point. - Yeah, yeah. - Of just copying. - Yeah. - Right, which could have gone either way. - You thought it could have been like the Spider-Man meme, like. - It could have been like, I fucking hate what you're doing, why are you copying me? Stop doing that. Or it could have been like, who are you? Or it could have been like, oh, nice, I guess. I didn't expect, I don't know what I expected. And then when I met him, he was super fucking nice. He was like, oh, you're that fucking guy, like jokingly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah. - He's cool about it. And yeah, he invited me for drinks and stuff and we met and yeah, one thing I learned from him is that like he is amazing at handling like the fans that come to him. - Oh really? - And just getting to like sit next to him and watch him like talk to them and like he just immediately like changed his like atmosphere based on who he saw and who was coming to him. - Yeah, yeah. - Like he just read people.

like immediately. And so start trying to like copy doing that. And like, it was like rough at the start, but I feel like I've learned so much from him and just how to compose yourself. How to just be nice to people. I was such an asshole. - So not only did you copy his voice, but you copied the way that you handled it.

- And he was so willing to like help me out and teach me things. And he also like- - He was like training you up like a prodigy. - Yeah, yeah. Like there was a con that I like wasn't going to go to and he personally like vouched on my behalf and said, "This guy's good." He was like, "You need to get him." And like really nice guy. Him and his husband Brandon are both

some of the nicest voice actors. - I was just about to say like the way that Brandon and I kind of met online was a little like. - Are you shitting on voice actors? - No, no, not really. It was like, to give context, like I've never met Brandon IRL yet, but we follow each other on Twitter and we've talked like. - He's one of the nicest dudes I've ever met. - Such a nice guy. And I can immediately tell, incredibly intelligent. - He's like getting TikTok famous as well. - Yeah, yeah, I saw, I saw. But I did this video.

I think it was sometime this year, it was early this year where I asked my fans on Twitter to send me videos of them speaking in Japanese or asking questions about Japanese and then I respond or like answer their question or whatever. And one of the videos was Brandon.

And he was speaking in the most perfect Japanese I've ever heard. Like his Japanese is actually perfect. And in the video, he said, he basically asked like, so I've seen videos of you in the past kind of shitting on dogs. - So Michael and his husband are both

- They're both dub voice actors. - Yeah, they're both dub voice actors. - And Brandon used to be a professional translator. - Yeah, he was. So hence why he's Japanese. But in the video, in full Japanese, very, very professional Japanese, he's like, "So you've kind of been talking ill-heartedly about dubs and dub voice actors. So as a translator, I want to know what is the best, what is the solution to that?"

And immediately in the video, you can see immediately I was just like, I'm so sorry. - He had like that, Brandon had that like shit eating grin of like, I've completely won here. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's like, I have taken the W, now you must hand it to me. - I remember when I saw that on Twitter, I was like, good Joey, you have to admit the dubs are good now.

- So basically in the video, I was just like, listen, like it's not the voice actors usually, it's the voice directors. You know, I did that whole spiel and luckily he was really, really cool about it. And you know, because he said it in such a nice fashion as well to me, he, you know, I couldn't help, but just being like, okay, you know what? I'll give you that one.

- You dropped this king, I'll give it to you. All right. Yeah, but yeah, he's dude, like I'd love to meet him in my role. - Oh yeah, they're both super nice guys. And I think the reason why I speak so highly of them is just 'cause they've just been so nice to me and so welcoming. - Honestly, every dub voice actor I've,

interacted with either IRL or not IRL has been really, really nice to me considering the fact that I had supposedly shit talked a lot of voice actors. I haven't been shit talking the voice actors, okay? Just the product. - You're just trying to deflect the blame. - I like you. - Deflect, deflect. - I liked you guys. - It's the director's fault, me to direct it. It was the production team's fault. - Yeah, it was the production team's fault. - It was the audio software's fault.

- It was no one's fault, you just had a crunch time. - Yeah, I was deaf in one ear, clearly. - I remember I was still bitter for like two years that you said like the watching Baccano subbed is better than dubbed. I was like, what? What are you chatting out of your ass? - I mean, I still stand by that point. - You're chatting out of your ass, man. - I'll say that it's better, but I'm not saying that the dub is bad. The dub is good. - The dub's better than the sub. - The dub's better. - It's better, it's just better.

- No, it's just like- - It's good, but it's not better. - It's like one of the few dubs that, I mean, sorry, one of the few shows that are better experienced in dubs just because of the setting and like- - The reason why most anime are better in Japanese is 'cause most of the time, like the setting matches Japanese, but in Baccano, it's like,

- It's in fucking 1930s America. We need to have these Americans. - In my opinion, there is only one anime where the dub is far superior than the sub and that's "Panty and Stalking." - I mean, yeah. - Yeah. - But that's obviously because it doesn't even look like an anime. It looks like a cartoon. - I think, at least for the notable ones, "Panty and Stalking," "Baccano," and "Cowboy Bebop." - "Cowboy Bebop," yeah. - Of course. - Yeah, of course. - But "Baccano" is like, I watched the sub and I'm like,

- This is shit. - It's not shit. - It is a shittier experience compared to the dub. - It is not shit. I'm not saying that the Bacchanal dub is bad. - Going from Bacchanal dub to sub is like when you have like the premium triple ply wipes at home and then you go to the fucking restroom in like public and it's like the sandpaper. - It's not that bad. - It's like 1930s Japan and they're all like kawaii,

like some of the characters and it's like, shut the fuck up. Sound American. You're in 1930s America. Sound America, bitch. - I don't know, man. Like, look, listen to me. - We need to have you forcibly sit you down and watch the dub. - I've seen the dub. - How much have you seen of the dub? - I've seen it all. - Bullshit. - Yes I have. - No way. No way. - "Bacana" is one of my fucking favorite anime. Of course I've seen the dub. And also because you shut the fuck up.

- I'm like, "Shut the fuck up about the dub." So I'm like, "All right, fine." I'll listen to the fucking dub. - I will not be content until I watch you watching the dub. I wanna sit behind you being like, "Joey, appreciate this part." - I'll do a reaction video. - Daddy, please stop fighting. - I'll do a reaction video to me watching the dub and then you can do a reaction video to my reaction video. All right, how's that?

- Okay, here's another question. - Can we just get on? Can we just get on please? - Okay, can you name any of the characters that you think are better in the sub than the dub? Like which ones you think are, or like is there any dub characters in it? - It's not particular characters. It's just overall, because maybe it's because I did watch the sub first. I don't know. Maybe if I watch the dub first,

might be completely different. - I don't know, like Lad Russo is like one of my favorite dub performances of all time. - Yeah, it's a good dub. - Of all time. - No, of course, Lad Russo is fucking incredible. - Yeah, and he's good in sub, but like, I don't know. - I mean, I don't know, maybe it's because I understand the language. - Different.

- I'm just saying maybe it's because I understand the language and I understand the small little inflections that might go over a lot of people's heads that I appreciate the sub a lot more than most people. - Okay, even just like give me like two second sample of the voices. When you listen to like the gravel in Ladd's English voice in back, I know it's like,

- Okay, but hold on from your logic, right? You've only brought up Lad. - Yeah. Okay, well I think Isaac and Miriam are also better. - I think Isaac and Miriam sound the fucking same. - No, it's fucking in Japanese is voiced by Cream from Sonic and it sounds like Cream from Sonic and it doesn't sound right at all. - Okay, but hold on a second. If that voice actor didn't do Cream from Sonic, then maybe you'd be like,

Okay, this is actually pretty good. Maybe it's all because you only hear cream from fucking Sonic the Hedgehog. - To anyone that hasn't watched this, you don't need to have watched it. But like again, and also in the dub, they cut out a lot of the reaction noises, like, or like a bunch of them, which is fucking fantastic. 'Cause I think it doesn't suit Baccano having the

And fucking Miriam sounds like fucking cream the fucking, what's the rabbit? That's it, nodding every two seconds. And she says, "Sugoi" every two seconds. It is so grating seeing an American 1930s person going with a Tommy gun going, "Sugoi." It's so weird. I hate it. - I don't mind it because it's fucking anime.

- What did you say in one of the episodes? It's just cartoons, bro. - Yeah, it's just the Japanese cartoon, bro. Chill the fuck out. - We all know that someone has to get angry and I'll do it. - Oh my God, of course. Every time, dude. Every anime has to have that one faction of a toxic city, right? - I thought I cared about the Baccano D'Up and then I realized, man, maybe I don't care about the Baccano D'Up. - No, I really don't.

I really don't. - I just think, scientifically speaking, it's better. - It's a Chinese cartoon voiced in English. - Chinese? - Just chill out, dude. - Chinese? This man, this man's tough. - Oh my God. - Goddamn. - What were we talking about? - I don't even know. - Voice acting. - Oh yeah, we're talking about, no, no, we were talking about our favorite people that we've met. - Yeah, we're talking about

- Not that that matters. - Why do we do this every time? - It's okay, tangents are a healthy part of conversation. - Not when it goes over to like, how did it go from fucking, oh yes, I love J. Michael Tatum to fucking cream from Sonic the Hedgehog. - I felt like I could have just gone for like a toilet break and just let you guys duke it out for like the last five minutes. - Yeah, you could have. I would have come out on top. - I'm just passionate, you know?

I just care about the things that I care, which is not many things. - What's the meme on the subreddit again where it's like, I love how Connor interjects with an opinion and thinks he's always right. And doesn't let anyone else talk about it. - I fucking hate when I listen to a podcast when it's like three people who are like,

- Oh yeah, I guess you have a point. I guess I can understand where you're coming from. I want someone who's like, fuck you, you're wrong. And it turns out that person is completely in the wrong. They're like, I don't give a shit. It doesn't matter, that's last episode. - So what you're saying is you're playing the villain. - You're playing the antagonist again. - Okay, listen, right? I don't give a fuck. And if I'm in the moment, I'm gonna say what I say with full confidence and I'll go home later that day and I'll be like, I think I was actually wrong actually. We've recorded it. - Big regret.

because I've talked to you enough times to know that you do that so many fucking times on the podcast as well. So I'm just like, you know what? Sometimes I'll just lay him out the candy and just let him realize. - Sometimes you do it on the same day. You're like, we would have a conversation in like the afternoon and then as we're having drinks and now you'd be like, - Now that I think about it,

- I might've been talking out of my ass. - I'll totally realize later on, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I was actually completely in the wrong in that point. But you know, I'm glad that I said it with confidence at least. - I mean, look, the bottom line is don't take what we say all that seriously, right? Take it with a grain of salt. This is just three boys just having a fucking laugh. - Yeah. - We're not like, I don't know, we're not like an authority or anything like that. - No, I see a lot of people who comment being like, I can't believe they misquoted something or I can't believe they spread misinformation. And it's like, no, this is just,

three boys having a conversation that we would have off camera. This is exactly how we talk off camera. And I'm sure you have conversations with your friends all the time where you sort of absolutely shit out of your ass, right? - Exactly. - So if we say anything that's incorrect, if I'm actually confident about it, don't take that.

- In other words, don't ever take us seriously. - If I'm talking about something that I am clearly knowledgeable about, like if I'm talking about voice acting or something where I know my shit, right? Okay, fine, you can take my opinion on it seriously. - But just take what we say with a grain of salt. Sometimes we don't know what we're talking about.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that because a lot of people don't know what the fuck they're talking about. And how we learn is how we sometimes we say stupid shit. - Yeah. - And we find out we're wrong about it. - And luckily we have you guys to very nicely remind us in the comments how wrong we are.

- I know that it's not something that we've tailor, you know, really sat there and thought, "Ooh, is that the correct thing to say? "Have we done enough research?" - Hold on guys, let me check Wikipedia real quick. - I'm talking out of my ass and sometimes I'll say shit that is just like completely wrong and that's okay. - And we know, it's hilarious. - Yeah, we just wanna preface that if we do say something,

sure you can believe us, but it should probably, if you really wanna like take our word for it, maybe check on your own as well. - Don't like quote us in any thesis or anything like that. - Yeah, exactly. - Because this is not the type of show- - I mean, half the episodes we have alcohol. It's probably- - That says a lot. - Would you trust an opinion of someone on the bar being like, no, no, no, the engineering is structurally sound. It's a cocktail. Yeah, it's great.

- This is why we have guests on who can actually know, have like a knowledgeable in situations where we are and where we're not just like talking out of our ass and we were just like- - Put us in our place. - Yeah, put us in our place basically. - I mean, normally when we're talking off camera, we might pull out our phone and be like,

"No Connor, you're actually wrong." And then I'll double down and be like, "No, I don't trust that source." - I don't care what Wikipedia has to say. I think I'm right, therefore I am. - Facts and opinion. Facts and logic. - I know some people hate that, like I'll be like, "No, fuck you anyway." - I find it fucking hilarious because- - At the end of the day, as much of it, it's a dichotomy, right? 'Cause this is a show, but at the same time, it's like, to us, it's kind of not a show. It's like, we just talk, right?

but we are putting on a show, but we talk like this the exact same way off-show. - I don't feel like we act any differently off camera. - No, no, no. - We just have a microphone in our face. That's the only difference, right? And cameras on us. - I care about my angle. - No, sometimes I purposely lead Connor on with the shit that he's saying because it's like weirdly heartwarming. It's kind of the same feeling as like me

me being a dad and my five-year-old, you know, trying to convince me that Santa Claus is real, you know, it's just like, all right, yeah. Oh, he comes down the chimney, does he? - I'm more than happy to waste my energy shouting at you. - Oh, he comes down the chimney? Oh, okay. Cookies and milk? Okay, okay. I see, I see. Tell me more, please. Yeah, but what the fuck were we talking about? Oh yeah, people we like to meet. - Yeah. - Yeah. What about other stuff that we're talking about? - What do you mean?

- We did have a topic in mind before we moved on to this. - We should probably break into it, 'cause we're getting close to the hour mark, right? - Yeah, okay. - We discussed beforehand that because we have the lost episode, which is probably gonna go down in history as some kind of fabled legend. - Yeah, people will be like, what was that?

- It's actually a shame 'cause I thought it was genuinely a fucking- - It was a great episode. - So I'm sure we've mentioned it on another episode. We recorded an episode and for some reason the audio stopped recording 10 minutes in. So completely unusable and we refused to use the camera audio. It sounds like shit. - It sounded like dog shit. And I'm just like, I don't even wanna make this a Patreon exclusive. - We now have a system in place where the audio is fine. So that'll happen.

- We spoke about fandoms that we aren't too fond of. And I know this is gonna be like, everyone's getting their mind, which one am I a fandom of? Not like that, not just openly shitting on fandoms. Although there was some of that. - Yeah, we are going to. - I like how we made the previous segment like perfectly segue into this segment where we're just gonna shit on everything.

- So what are we gonna talk about after talking about the people we love? Oh yeah, the people we fucking hate. - Listen, I know that fandoms in general are not represented by the minority annoyance that is in the forefront. - Yes, of course. - It is the vocal minority that are probably what we are talking about. - This is just us joshing around and chatting shit. - This is what we see, right? This is just what we see. - So Dragon Ball fans.

- Don't get offended, okay? - If you like Dragon Ball, you are the worst. What are you doing? Why are you a Dragon Ball fan? - As a monkey brain, I should be a giant fan of Dragon Ball. Okay, no. Okay, I'll start with Dragon Ball fandom scares me the most out of any fandom. - Why is that?

maybe it's 'cause I understand the JoJo fandom and I'm in the behind the scenes. - Which is, we'll get to the JoJo fandom. - Yeah, we'll get to that. We'll get to that, right? 'Cause I'm sure everyone's gonna be thinking that immediately. But like the Dragon Ball fandom is like, I feel like it's so separate from every other anime fandom. Whereas JoJo fans normally watch a bit of anime. Yeah, okay, they're a bit annoying and whatnot, whatever. But Dragon Ball fans,

I feel like a ton of them only watch Dragon Ball. What do you mean seasonal anime? There's no Dragon Ball in that season. - Do you mean seasonal new season of Dragon Ball?

- Reruns of "Dragon Ball Z." - Okay, I mean, this is just like outside looking in. So I'm sure we're chatting out of our ass half the time. - Yeah, of course. - But like, my God, are they aggressive online about like... And also the YouTube scene scares me so much. - The Dragon Ball YouTubers are... - I just had a flashback to that thumbnail.

- Do you wanna explain the thumbnail? - So I was on Twitter and like- - Peak content on YouTube. - Oh my God. - I'm pretty sure it's like parody. And if it's not, it's parody. - I hope it is. No matter what, it's parody. 'Cause I either laugh 'cause it is parody or I laugh 'cause it's not parody. - Yeah, I follow like Justin Wang on Twitter. And he's the guy who talks about like internet

and he retweets the most fucking cursed shit. And so it was just a thumbnail and it was like, what would happen? It was like, what if Vegeta

was tested coronavirus positive. And I was like, this can't be real. Like it was just a thumbnail. So I searched it and it was a two part series of what if Vegeta got the coronavirus? And I was like, what? - What was the other part? - It was part two, I didn't watch it. But there was another one where it was like, what if Goku tested HIV positive? And I was like, what is Dragon Ball YouTube? What is this?

- I only watched the first five minutes and I was pretty sure it was parody. I couldn't tell, but it was very like dry delivery. I need to watch the rest of it. That'll probably get a nice.

- I need to watch that video. - Yeah, 'cause the thing about the Dragon Ball fandom is that it feels like the Dragon Ball fandom, I mean, you can be obviously a Dragon Ball fan and an anime fan, but I feel like there are just as many Dragon Ball fans who are just Dragon Ball fans, right? And they like watch nothing else but Dragon Ball. It's kind of like being like, just like an MCU fan, you know what I mean? Calling yourself like a comics fan. - It's weird 'cause like the Dragon Ball videos, like I'm just going based off like what I've seen on YouTube, this is pure anecdotal stuff.

those Dragon Ball videos come out as often, if not more often than most anime YouTuber videos and get more views or the same views. And so that must mean, right? That like, again, this is just me like fucking like aliens. You know what I mean?

surely the fandom is fucking gigantic. - It has to be. - And like, I don't know, man. - Or it's like a really small group of super dedicated people who are like, I need to watch this for the 20th time. - And people are so into it, man. I don't understand the videos that are like, what if Vegeta thought,

a fucking Luffy. And I'm like, what is that? Who gives a shit? - I mean, that's going from like Dragon Ball fan to like Shonen fandom as a whole, which also like exists in its own little bubble. - I don't understand that shit. - But it's not just Shonen fandom, right? It's Shonen action fandom. It's not like the Shonen romance fandom or the Shonen harem fandom. 'Cause there's like lots of different types of Shonen, right? It's specifically Shonen,

like power fantasy battle harem. You know what I mean? Like that whole fandom, right? Like that's all. So it's like, it's the Naruto's, it's the Bleach, it's the One Piece. I feel One Piece is kind of separate from everything else. It's like One Piece is separate, Dragon Ball is separate, and then Naruto and Bleach are separate. And then you have like, just like the general like, oh, and then the Seven Deadly Sins fan base is separate as well.

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- Yeah, let's whip out the long boys. - This conversation requires alcohol. - You brought up "Seven Deadly Sins." I do wanna talk about that later. We'll get into "Seven Deadly Sins." - I'm just gonna go through all the fucking shonen's, aren't we? - All right. Dragon Ball Twitter is the fucking, every time I see a shitty take- - Starting off strong. - You just see the dumbest fucking take. It's always from a fucking Dragon Ball amateur or like someone who like just tweets about Dragon Ball.

- 'Cause I remember seeing like so many shitty takes. Like I remember seeing this one tweet that was like talking about like how like Vegeta was like the greatest antihero ever written in anime or something like that. And like there was like the comment thread was like more hilarious than the take itself. And I think my favorite meme was just like Goku going super Saiyan. And he was just like, at the top text was like, "Don't fuck with Dragon Ball fans." And the bottom text was, "We only know one anime."

- It's true though. What is it about Dragon Ball fans that only watch Dragon Ball? Like everything they consume, it's like, you know they're a Dragon Ball fan when they're like, "GT wasn't that bad, was it?"

- I read the tweet that was like, you know, Goku didn't protest. And it's like, - Are you serious? - Yeah, it's like, Vegeta didn't protest. They just got it done. And I was like, oh my God, read the room, man. Read the room. It was so funny. The replies were like, bro, it's anime.

Like they're fucking delusional, man. - Oh my God, what is it? I've always wanted to know, right? Because I don't personally know anyone who's in that fandom, but I've always been interested in meeting someone IRL who's in that fandom. - No, no, no, you'll know 'cause they're the fucking loudest ones at the convention. They're the ones in the corner playing like fucking- - Fucking charging up, trying to be super saiyan. - If you ever hear someone go, "Nah!" You know who they are. - But like, I've always just wanted to ask them being like,

- Why? - No, it's like that meme of the fucking, the woman in the car is like, "Why are you like this?" - Yeah, why are you like this? Like, what, who conditioned you to be like,

- There's so much good anime out there. I'm aware. Yes, One Piece, I am aware of that show. Naruto, Bleach, I'm aware of all these. But no, Goku is my bae and I will only follow his story. - It's so weird, right? 'Cause it's like, I mean, what I see in the Shonen fandom is like everything is like a dick measuring contest. Like you got a fucking sim for your fucking characters and you're gonna defend them no matter what. Like it's- - Like what?

I guarantee compared to like some of these Dragon Ball fans, like, dude, I don't even think Toriyama is as big of a Dragon Ball fan as fucking Dragon Ball fans, you know? At least Toriyama was like, I mean, I got Dragon Ball, but like, I got Dragon Quest as well, you know? Like I got all these other things. Meanwhile, Dragon Ball fans are like, Toriyama,

- God, I love you. Do more Dragon Balls, please. - That's like me with JoJo. - Do more of that. - Yeah, but at least Araki's only done JoJo. - I'm not shouting about it all the time. I'm just like secretly thinking about it. - Are you sure about that? - Not all the time. - Are you sure about that? - Gentlemen, it's not all the time. - Are you sure about that? - So when Connor- - We'll get into that. - We'll get into JoJo and we can talk about that.

- I got some shit to say, but no, like sticking with like the Dragon Ball and Shonen fandom, to me it feels like the fucking ghetto, right? - The ghetto of the anime. - The ghetto of the anime.

it feels like they're constantly having gang wars with each other and you're just sitting here watching this like take place on Twitter. - You're like the suburban white couple. - You're like the suburban white couple going into the ghetto and they're just like, "You don't belong here, do you?" I'm just watching this like feud go on on Twitter being like, "Live with me fucking Goku in a fight," or something like this shit. Meanwhile, One Piece fans are like, "Cool."

- Cool, I guess. Like, I don't fucking care. Why do you care? Why does the Dragon Ball fan base want to give Goku like this amazing KD ratio of other anime fans? - I just had this amazing flashback. You remember the time when One Punch Man came out? - Yeah. - Like for some fucking reason, there was so many videos of like, who will win, Goku or Saitama? - Or Saitama, yeah, yeah.

And like, if you dare say an opinion, it's like get ready to get fucking destroyed by either fangirl. - What was even worse than that was, do you remember when like Death Battle did Goku versus Superman? - Oh my God. - And that got so toxic that they had to redo it to give the same result.

Imagine being like caring that much about some fictional fan fight. Like this is literally like four writers in the room who are like, I think Goku would win. And people are like, I can't believe it. I can't make sense of this. My day is ruined. Do they even watch the show? You would know if you saw the size of Goku's nipples, that there is no way he would lose in a fight. It's not possible. It's like, it's insane. It's actually insane. Like, and I, I,

I don't understand because I've never cared that much about something in my life. I have been in like university. I've had my YouTube channel completely demonetized. That's all my income. I cared less about that. I mean, I cared a lot. I didn't want to go broke. - What's one thing though about the Dragon Ball fan base that,

I'm pretty sure I'm quite correct on and just shocks me is that I guarantee that 99% of the hardcore Dragon Ball fans probably didn't even watch the first Dragon Ball. They started from zero. - That's a controversial take, Joey. - I guarantee- - That's an assumption, Joey. - It's an assumption, but I'm willing to bet on it. - Every Dragon Ball fan is now gonna come up and be like, "Uh, excuse me, I watched it." - Yeah, they've watched it. You've given them fuel now, Joey.

- I mean, if you have, good on you, but it is- - I'm gonna say something that is completely no basis whatsoever. - Go on. - I think the Dragon Ball fans are one bad day away from being furries. There, I said it, okay? There, I said it, okay? I think they are. I think they act in the same way that furries do sometimes, you know? - I mean, isn't Goku a monk? - As somebody who was a very angry child, I know exactly where that anger's coming from. I know where it's coming from, you know?

- They're about to jump into the pit. - I'm just saying, man, that one bad forum click away, man.

- One bad YouTube recommendation away from falling down in that rabbit hole. - We could get fucking destroyed in this episode. - Oh my God. - Good thing we're fucking drunk. - Yeah, I know. - Wait, what do you mean gone? I have like four sips. - Just take sips quickly. - It's gonna get worse the more we drink. - I think that my parents didn't love me as much as the fans love Goku. I'll be honest, all right? I don't know what that says about my parents.

- No, your parents loved you fine, I'm sure. - My parents would not defend me on a comment section very aggressively. They'd be like, "This is on you, Connor." - I just imagine now, what if Goku was an actual person and he just saw all these comments? - What if Goku, has Goku committed war crimes? Do we know if Goku's, would they defend Goku? - I mean, we know what would happen if it was HIV positive, right?

- But we don't know what would happen. - I think it's great that Goku is advocating for HIV awareness. I think that's great. More power to him. I don't know if that's in the agenda. - I have to start a parody series now where I just go through every shonen protagonist and just go into hypothetical situations if they were HIV positive. - What if Saitama had syphilis?

- Would you say someone would be able to punch syphilis? - Would he be able to punch the syphilis off his dick? I don't know. - I mean, okay, I love to clown on Dragon Ball fans 'cause they are like the brick wall of opinions. It's like, it doesn't matter what you say. It's just like- - We can't take you seriously. - I mean, it's because most of the time they're arguing

that can't be like proved anyway. It's all like situational because who cares about power levels? 'Cause you can't really argue about power levels unless you watch death battle, you know? And people still disagree with that shit. - Yeah, even then it's like, there's no basis. - Even if you put science into it, people are gonna like rep the shit no matter what. You know what I mean? - Exactly. - It's like a fucking religion. - It is a religion. - It's a cult. - It's the cult of Dragon Ball. That's exactly what it feels like. - Dragon Ball fans watching this be like, "Shit." - Like,

- It's just a level of excitement that I've never felt for, or like passion that I've never felt for anything. And I don't know if that means that I'm lacking in something in my life, but then I see how passionate they are and I'm like, I'm kind of glad that I have hobbies. - Other than Dragon Ball. - I'm glad I have other things that I can like put my time and energy. - They're gonna be like, go read gay porn, Connor. - Yeah, exactly. - I don't know.

- How many burns can we get on like one episode? - Yeah. - Like don't get me wrong. Like I'm sure all three of us love Dragon Ball, right? Like we grew up with that shit. Of course it's fucking epic, but we are like,

- Oh wait, no, I never grew up on it. - Oh, you didn't? - No, because I was always so fucking confused at what was happening. - Oh yeah, that's right. - How were you confused? - Well, I was always confusing about it. - When I was a kid, I would watch a fight and then the next episode was them like talking. - Yeah, we talked about it in a previous episode. - It was completely out of order. So I was like, I don't wanna watch it. - But I mean, it is a very inoffensive show. It's hard to hate "Dragon Ball."

- Okay. - I feel. - I love the charm of Dragon Ball. I love the mainstream, like everyone knows Dragon Ball. And dude, when you're listening to a rap song and you hear like a Dragon Ball reference as an anime fan, you're like, what?

- What? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - You said Krillin? I don't even know who that is, but that's cool. - Because what I don't understand is like how the Dragon Ball is still, I guess, as loved as it is because you know- - It's got such a huge like pop and like mainstream- - Yeah, 'cause like I love Dragon Ball Z, but my God, I could not watch Dragon Ball Z today. - No, no, no way. - It has not aged well at all in terms of like the pacing and everything. And I remember like trying to watch like the newest Dragon Balls and,

I can't even remember the fucking name. What's the new Dragon Ball? - Super. - Dragon Ball Super, that was it. And I remember trying to watch like an arc or two and it was just exactly the same as Dragon Ball Z. It was like slightly faster paced. - It was just clean line art, right? - Yeah.

But like, my God, like, I don't know how this, how there are still so many passionate fans. Whereas like Naruto fans, they saw Boruto and they're like, fuck that shit, Boruto fucking sucks. Whereas Dragon Ball fans are here repping Dragon Ball Super where I think it's an okay show, you know? - Oh, you're gonna get flamed for that, Lando. How dare he just say it was okay. - It was okay. It was...

- I mean, I feel like Dragon Ball is a fandom that is just like where the creators are just like, I guess just give them the same thing again. Slightly different. Goku has blue hair now. Is that correct? Am I saying that right? - He can go Super Saiyan black now as well. - Yeah, is that the clip where they say don't shoot, he's black? - He's the strongest in the universe now. How can we help you up that up? Multiverse. - Multiverse, yeah. Let's have a tournament arc, but we get the Lord of each universe to fight.

And then they become, I'm pretty sure that's- - It sounds really fucking cool on paper. But it's the reason why I think God of High School is kind of mad. It's like, it's all just like a dick measuring contest, like you said. And after a certain point you're like,

- Damn, Rent-A-Girlfriend's story is kind of good though. You know what I mean? Like you kind of just need something more. - Right, right. - It's more waifus. - I don't even waifus, just some substance. I'm sure the fans will argue it does, but for me, it just does it. And I'm sorry, Dragon Ball fans that I'm openly shitting on you. That's what you're into. I get it, dude. I'm into some weird shit. - He's not sorry. - I liked Dragon Ball as a kid. - You can shit on my stuff. - Dragon Ball was of my fucking childhood. But growing up, I still hold it close to my heart,

I can't watch that shit. I don't have the patience to go through what I did as a kid. - But that's what I find interesting, right? Is that like this kind of super, super committed Dragon Ball fan base, it doesn't exist in Japan. There aren't people today who are like,

hyper committed to Dragon Ball or Dragon Ball Super or anything Dragon Ball related. Now here, then there are people like in America and like overseas. - I think you don't see that much. - You don't. - It's normally like they'll have a section for it. - Like there are people like Dragon Ball here, at least in Japan now is just kind of put in the hall of fame of like,

This is an anime that- - Everyone knows. - It's like Naruto, right? It's like Naruto, Bleach, Dragon Ball. They're all finished series. Their TV anime is finished. Their manga is finished. They're in the hall of fame, right? If you like it, cool. You'll hear it in passing. But it isn't like I have committed my entire life

to wondering if what would happen if Goku was HIV positive. I need to know. You're not gonna get that here. - I just realized the irony of me getting very defensive about the back of no doubt, but then we just shitting on it. - Literally two minutes later, toxic. - I can get fucking, if you like Dragon Ball. - Hypocrite. - Hypocrite. - Hypocrite. - Hey, if you want to defend it, that's fine. I just think it's funny to like joke about shit.

You can shit on what I like. It's totally fine. I don't give a shit. - But like speaking of super addicted fan bases, like I used to think that way about the Naruto fan base. - Yeah. - Right? Because I was never in the Naruto fan base. I never got into Naruto as much as other people did. But as you said, the moment Boruto dropped, the Naruto fans are like, "Naruto, me? Naruto fan?

- No, no. - No, what are you talking about? - Excuse me, I'm a Naruto fan. I don't wanna watch fucking Boruto. - I don't wanna Boruto video, but I watch a 50 minute video on why Naruto's power scaling is the most perfectly balanced thing in existence. I see a lot of those videos, probably my recommended that are like, I don't know, it was fucking some character, I don't know.

Madara, is that his name? - Yeah. - Yeah. - The character. It'd be like, I remember there was like a 90 minute video of my recommended that was like, why his power was the best. And I'm like, this is 19 minutes long? What the fuck? - Yeah, they go through every single scenario of Madara. - And that's cool. 'Cause I think it's great that like, I imagine,

I mean, like you want to, I see a JoJo video that's super in depth. I'm like, that's fucking sick. But then I'm on the outside looking in, it's like, whoa, that seems so excessive. But I guess it's really fucking awesome if you're in the fandom. - Yeah, but you can say that about any fandom. - But like what, like I don't understand is like how, how the, like how a lot of the fandom still has like so much momentum. - Yeah, that's really strange. - Even like after the series has ended.

You normally think of an anime series, after it ends, there's like this cool off period and then it kind of like goes into like memory and everything. But with a lot of like the bigger Shonen titles, even if they've ended- - It's weird. It's really weird. - I'm genuinely like curious how they've been able to maintain their momentum. - Yeah, I'm jealous. I'm like, how do you keep coming up with this content? Like I can't do that. - The Naruto YouTubers, yeah. I mean, I admire it, man. Like, I mean, the fact that you can still keep an audience going.

- It's honestly admirable. - 'Cause most of the time they just talk about the show. - And like the audience that just does not lose that passion no matter how much time has passed, no matter how many new series has come out, they still like will consume all this stuff where there's like no new media coming out. - 'Cause the manga ended like what?

four or five years ago or something? It was a long time ago. - Which one are we talking about? Naruto. - Naruto. - Yeah. - It was a while ago. - And it's funny because all of the narrative videos I've seen are just on like the Naruto segment part. Nobody's talking about Boruto. - No one's talking about Boruto. - No one gives a shit about Boruto. - Yeah, exactly.

I mean, I like those kinds of videos. I think, okay, going back to Dragon Ball, I just had a fucking flashback. I remember this one channel, I don't know what it's called, and I'm sorry if you're watching this. There was a guy who made like fights between Dragon Ball characters and his OC.

And this channel had like tons of videos and had like 200K subs, I think. And I was like, this is insane. Like people, thousands of people are watching a dude's OC fight Dragon Ball characters. - That's so funny. - I can understand why you might be interested in a death battle between, I mean, I think it's cool. - Two known characters. - Okay, that's cool. You wanna see the outcome. But when it's someone's OC,

I was like, my mind was blown. I was like, wait, people are into this. This is how desperate people are for Dragon Ball content. - It's so funny. - I'll give the Naruto people props. At least they have like the majority of the content that seems to be doing really well is the content that is like,

50 minute analysis videos. Which is like, I'm sure you love that if you're into it. - I mean, I find it like what's more entertaining than the content itself for me is watching people react to the content. Because it's like, okay. So I remember I did like an attitude rewind and people were like asking me why I put like double four anime in like the attitude rewind. - Because he's the legend.

- How are you not entertained watching a shirtless dude scream his fucking ass off watching Goku versus, what was it? It was Naruto versus- - Naruto versus Goku, I think. - I think it was Naruto versus Ichigo maybe?

- Something like that. - Yeah, something like that. - It was Naruto versus Ichigo. And he was just shirtless, screaming his ass off. - He wasn't shirtless. He didn't have a shirt on, but he had this massive scarf on for some reason without a shirt. I'm like, that's an interesting fashion statement. - How is this not entertaining to you? - I respect that, man. That sounds like great content. - It was fucking hilarious. 'Cause I found out about that video through the AniTube Rewind. I'm like, I have to go watch this video. So I found it.

And I watched the entire thing. I'm like, this was the best entertainment this entire week. 'Cause it's so hilarious. Just he was screaming at the top of his voice like a fucking 10 year old girl. And so excited by the fact that Naruto won. I'm like, damn, I wish I could get that excited about a fucking death battle. That's so admirable. - I wish I could get that excited about anything. - I know, right? - Man, I feel like Naruto fans are just like toned down Dragon Ball fans to some extent.

- I feel like in terms of like passion and like the cultness of it is what I'm gonna call, I guess. It's like Dragon Ball is definitely up there at the top of just passionate, dedicated fans. - I think every anime fan base is just the toned down version of the Dragon Ball fan base. - I think Dragon Ball is by far the most like aggressive and like,

- Oh yeah. - This is what we want. - But it's funny because like Dragon Ball is pretty much as close to a mainstream anime as you can get. - Yeah. - But there's a difference between people who know Dragon Ball and people who are anime fans who also grew up with Dragon Ball and then just Dragon Ball

- I don't know. - And then people who are Dragon Ball. - Oh, you know, 'cause they'll be at the gym wearing some Goku shit or something. - Oh yeah, of course. - Yo, bench press me. - Yeah, yeah. The fucking Goku, Goku Under Armour fucking claw. - That's the perfect analogy for Dragon Ball fandom. It's just if Tyler1 was a fandom. That's just.

- I love Tyler Wong. - It's so true though. I wouldn't be surprised if Tyler Wong is a Dragon Ball fan. - He likes anime. Tyler Wong, come on the podcast and talk about anime. - Please come on the podcast. Oh my God. - I need the monkey brain here. - But it's so interesting I find just the, I guess the difference between these massive Shonen fan bases, right? Because even though like say, because for example, you don't hear about the Bleach fan base anymore.

- On YouTube you see some of those videos. - I don't know about that one. - I don't see it. - Dude, the Bleach fans are like the kid in the corner who you're worried might like, you know, bring something sketchy into school. It's like, did he bring a knife? - I wanna see some Bonk-Eyes, God damn it. - Yeah, that's the Bleach fans. The ones who sit in the back of the class and they're like, they said they were gonna bring a knife and you're like, should I be concerned that he's gonna do it? Like that's the Bleach fans. - Don't worry, it's a knife that I haven't Bonk-Eyed yet. - Because when Bleach like,

- I mean, I liked Bleach up to like the things like past the- - Eisen arc. - Yeah. - I don't know much about Bleach, but I know the Soul Society arc is garbage. - Yeah. - No, no, no, no, no. The Soul Society arc is the best. - Oh, which one's the one that's the bad arc? - Eisen arc, which is after the Soul Society arc. - Yeah, I mean, Bleach fans are also very passionate about their show. But I remember when the new anime got announced and I mean,

I liked Bleach at the point and then I kind of fell out of love with it. But like when the new anime got announced, I was like, I don't know why I'm pretty fucking hyped man. I'm hyped for this. - Honestly same. - I guess 'cause it could be like that kind of thing of like, all right, well, I was like a teenager when I enjoyed this. - Yeah, right, right, right. - I can get that back, that excitement.

But when the anime got announced, man, all of the Bleach fandom, they had been like holed up. They suddenly, they all rose up together. - Rise up, rise up. - They all came out of their bunkers and like, is it safe to leave? - Finally? Is the fallout over? - Yeah, you go like normies and like, you just have like normal people be like,

like taking off their shirts and like, yes, I was a bleach fan all along. Yes. - I read all of it. I've seen all the anime. - They were like the Peter Parker Superman where they're just like, yes, I am a bleach fan.

- Oh my God. - But like, what are the, like, 'cause I'm thinking, right? So there's the Dragon Ball fan base, which we've already established, the Naruto fan base, Bleach fan base. What other one would there be? I mean, obviously the JoJo fan base, right? - I think another shonen fandom that is like the little shit brother is the Seven Deadly Sins fandom. - Yeah. - They're like the little rut. You're like, dude, no one gives a shit about me. Stop fucking making noise. Dude, it's a shame 'cause like,

I actually really enjoyed "Seven Deadly Sins." I wasn't a fan, I didn't give a shit about it. I thought it was pretty like epic turn your brain off, monkey brain don't focus entertainment. It was that perfect like Shonen white noise, the way that I thought the other Shonens are a bit too boring. - It's weird because "Seven Deadly Sins" is the one Shonen that I really, really tried to get into. I mean, like I think "Seven Deadly Sins" has been the show that I've tried to get into the most that I just couldn't. I've given it four chances, four. And I still can't- - What turned you off to it?

- Just the fact that there wasn't any, like in season one at least, because I haven't gone past season one, there wasn't any doubt that the heroes were like Meliodas or whoever was on like the hero's theme would win. - That's true, that's true. - Because in season one, the only threat to the main characters are the main characters. You know what I mean?

And I don't know, like I get that everyone is so ridiculously overpowered and that's like kind of the charm of the series. But I just couldn't get past that point that I'm just like, man, why am I watching this fight when I know that there's not even like a hint of a threat? Like, see, I didn't even get to that point. Like I just look at the seven deadly sins fan base and I'm just like, I'm not putting my foot into that minefield. - I watched everything up until the new season episode one. And I was like, no.

- And then after that, when you saw the fucking gif, like when you saw the fights between Meliodas and Escanor, and I'm just like, oh, it feels bad to be a seven deadly sins fan. - Not gonna lie, when I saw the clip of that on Twitter, where people were like, this has to be fan made. - I fucking lost it. - Yeah, I lost it, but I was also like,

I kind of want to watch it now. - If you don't know, Seven Deadly Sins, super popular show, and then they handed it off to which studio was it? Dean? - Dean? - It was Dean, I think it was. - They handed it off to Studio Dean, and it ended up looking like this. This is one of the stills. I know you shouldn't judge the stills. - I think we've talked about this on the very first episode of the podcast. - No, no, no, we didn't. It's from the last episode.

- Oh, okay. - I don't even remember, yeah. - 'Cause I thought like, I think I mentioned something about it must suck to be a "Seven Deadly Sins" fan because you just- - It does. - At least, you know, if you're a "Dragon Ball" fan, you get good animation, right? Like the "Seven Deadly Sins" anime, which is,

to play like one second of animation, here you go. It looks fucking God awful. - You can go onto YouTube. There's tons of clips of just the entire Meliodas and Eskimo fight is fucking hilarious. - When I first watched that episode of season three, I think it is, I was like, just please say psych.

Like the whole 20 minutes was like, please say psych. Just be like, now it's time for the real animation. - JK, this is the animatic. - It was like, no, no! 'Cause I thought it was good enough, right? But man, the fans, I didn't realize how like out there they were online. Like they are like,

- I didn't know how popular Seven Deadly Sins was. - Oh, it's really fucking popular. - Yeah, I didn't know how popular it was until like, I kinda, it was kind of the series that I thought was just like gonna like fade into obscurity. But then the more years passed, the more popular it got and the more things I heard about it. And I'm just like, oh,

I didn't know where these fans were when the series started. 'Cause maybe I was just fucking blind. I didn't know it was this popular when it started. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Easily the worst part of "Seven Deadly Sins" is the fucking main character. - Yeah, really? I've heard that. I've heard that the entire time. - 'Cause this whole character's thing is like, "He, he, I'm OP and also I- - "I touch women." - "I touch women and that's charming." And it's like- - Yikes. - And it's like,

- I don't know who is this appealing to, 'cause I'm watching this and I'm like, "I'm over the age of 18." And I don't understand who this is charming to. - Well, clearly to people who have never touched women in their life, right? I'm just saying. - I mean, I'm sitting there and I'm literally just like, "Am I losing my mind or am I the only one who hates this?" - No, because I remember when I first watched "Seven Deadly Sins," I actually made the tweet where like,

I remember watching the first episode and I remember thinking, man, what can we do to give Meliodas like a quirky, like a quirky quirk, like the anime quirk. Let's just make him accidentally touch women's breasts. - Molester, molester. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Molester. - And I'm like, you know, I'm not, I'm like totally against work culture and everything, but I'm just like,

it's not enough for me to like turn me off the anime or turn me off like the entire thing. But at the same time, I'm just like, couldn't you thought of, couldn't we think of something better? - Yeah, again, like you said, like I'm not all for being like, you can't do that. I'm like, I don't give a shit. But every time it happened on screen, it was like when you got a whiff of a really disgusting fart, you're like, oh God, really? - It's like, who's that cat girl in fucking,

- Oh, in Fire Force, right? - Fire Force, yeah. Who's the cat going- - The one that keeps getting naked? - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah. And that's her entire quirk? - Like I've never been so turned off by fan service in my entire life until I watched Fire Force, man. - Oh my God. - It's like it needs to be tasteful. - Yeah, like as a full blown degenerate, Fire Force is the first time I've actually watched, like I've actually seen full on fan service and been like, "Why does this need to be here?" - Get this outta here. - Seriously, right in front of my salad?

'Cause like you'd have like this really cool looking fight and like I'm invested in this fight, right? And I love, like I love fan service. - My tits dropped out. - I love my fucking fan service, but just don't put it in front of my like fights. - Like do they expect to be like, okay, this fight scene is gonna go on for 10 minutes, but we know the audience isn't gonna pay attention.

All right, it's been five minutes quick. Drop a titty, drop a titty right now. - My problem with it is that you take a break from the fight to look at the fan service, right? And like, I hate that 'cause that disrupts the flow of the fight. If the fan service was like separate from the fights, like in something like High School of the Dead where, or it's something like High School of the Dead where like fan service and fights are like, oh, come on, you didn't like the fights?

- No, I love the fights. I mean, there's iconic scenes. - Yeah, exactly. Where the fan service is just like a part of the fight. That's fucking great. - "High School La Dead" did it right because it's like, we're gonna dedicate an entire episode to just the raunchiest fucking fan service. No action whatsoever, so you know what it's gonna be. And then we're gonna get right into the fight the next episode. - Yeah, but if you like take a break from the fight to look at the fan service, it's just like that eye rolling moment where even if,

you fucking love fan service and you have no fucking problem with it, it still disrupts the fucking fight. So that's why I just couldn't get into like, I mean, there's a lot of reasons I couldn't get into "Fire Force." - Right, right. - That was one of the reasons. - But it's a shame, right? Because David Productions did such a good job on the animation and like,

and the character designs are fucking cool. Massive soul eater. - Yeah, I'm a massive soul eater fan as well. - A massive soul eater fan, right? So I'm just like, hell yeah. New soul eater basically in 2020, but with a lot of fire. - Yeah, it's like "Fire Force" is one of those shows where I've really, really wanted to fucking like.

but for some reason I just could not get into it. - No, same. - Got like four episodes in and I was like, I'm pretty okay. - Yeah, three or four episodes was my limit. - I think my problem with it was that it felt like a mid 2000s Shonen where Shonen has like evolved past that. I feel like My Hero Academia and Black Clover have taken like what has worked and put their own like twists and like evolved onto that. Whereas Fire Force feels like it still belongs 10 years ago with better animation. - Mentioning,

about My Hero Academia. It's got a pretty notorious one. Now I don't know if this is a result of it just being the most mainstream anime right now. I imagine a lot of it has to do with that. - I think so. - There's a lot of like, 'cause I mean, okay. The thing is with the My Hero Academia fandom, right? Is that- - Hell yeah. - That's what I feel about My Hero Academia fandom.

is that I think it's the case of like the same like 10 people who have the shittest takes on Twitter that are like- - Okay, it's not just My Hero Academia. It's any like popular shonen that becomes- - Very mainstream. - Very mainstream. - This always happens. - Like My Hero Academia happened. - Demon Slayer.

And now Uzaki is like, it's always the talk of the town. - What's that? Like how many fucking times during My Hero's airing period was there like tweets where people would be like, "Look at it, it's disgusting. It's not even remotely close to the manga."

They had the manga right next to it and it's like one fucking like leg. - I love retweeting, like quote retweeting people like that. Like I think there was one of, I think it was a screenshot from later episode of season two or something. And the caption,

I'm guessing it's like- - We both retrieved it. - Yeah, it was like a 14 year old girl probably captioned it being like, "I can't believe they would do this to my boy." It was something like that. And I literally quote Ritu being like, "Am I blind or is there literally no fucking difference?" - No, 'cause I remember seeing that squeak and I remember thinking, "Wait, what's the problem?" - Yeah, like, is there a problem? Is this like parody right now? - Are you upset that this is colored in? - This happened so many times. They would just have the still of the animation and a still of the manga and it was barely any difference.

Yes, there's gonna be some detail missing. It's a fucking manga page. - But in my opinion, it's like, if you're that upset, just read the fucking manga. Like why are you watching the anime? - Like I remember like logging onto Twitter whenever Demon Slayer was in its peak or when My Hero Academia was in its peak, I'd be like, surely they can't be a shittier take than yes, they appear in my timeline.

- It was like everyone was competing. They were having a tournament arc of shitty tape. That's what it was like when they were airing in that peaks, man. - I definitely do think though that the winner of that tournament arc was that fucking person who was like, "Tanjiro's earrings?" - Oh my God. - It's very bad. It's got the Japanese Imperial flag on it. And people were just like,

- No. - That's not what it is. - That's not what it is. - It was like a Hanafuda class. - It's a Hanafuda. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like, what are you talking about? And I remember, I don't usually call people out on Twitter because I don't wanna give those people attention. But sometimes I'm just like, I don't give a shit if this gets attention. This is fucking hilarious. - It's like you get so many people who are like, oh dude, I found it out. I found the way to like call them out and get the woke points on Twitter. And they call it out and everyone's like, dude, shut the fuck up. No one cares.

- Sometimes they're like, it's so hypocritical. - So stretch. - Because, okay, I remember this one time I saw like this tweet about like My Hero Academia and the girls and like, you know, don't sexualize the girls 'cause they're in high school and whatever. And then you go in their profile and they're talking about shipping Todoroki and his dad.

- What is going on here? - There was one girl who was like, there was like a poster that Horikoshi had drawn as like a thank you for like season three airing. And it was all of the UA girls in like swimsuits. And some girl had retweeted being like, how dare Horikoshi sexualize these 14 year olds. And literally the top reply was someone who screenshotted that person's likes list. And it was just Todoroki like yaoi, straight up like Todoroki yaoi being like, is this you?

- Who's this man? - Who's this man? - Who's, who's? Yeah, it's just, I don't know. - What was the other one that was like a My Hero, another controversy? 'Cause of course there is, they find anything to get mad at. - That was the Maruta one. - Which one's the Maruta one? - It was like one of the scientists in season. - Oh, that was China though. - Oh no, there was another one which is like Bakugou's birthday, the same birthday as Hitler's. Remember that one?

- I don't remember that one. - You don't remember that one? I saw that on Twitter being like, 'cause I logged onto Twitter one morning and I saw My Hero Academia tweet, like, you know, trending. And so I was like, oh God, what now? And so I went onto it and it was like, some person was like, okay, so the official birthdays of all of the UA students came out and I just found out that Bakugou's birthday is the same as Hitler's. Does that mean Horikoshi supports war criminals?

And I'm like, you can't be serious. - You know what the worst thing about that doctor one is? Like the Japanese like war crime dude. - Yeah. - Is that I looked at it and I was like, that's my birthday.

- Does C-Dog VA support war criminals? - I'm like, is my birthday just canceled now because somebody who was born on my birthday did a bad thing? Is that it? - That's ridiculous. - And I was like, this is, I'm like, what do I think? Like, what is this? This is dumb, right? - Because the "Buckago is Hitler's birthday" tweet was so funny because all the replies were like, "That's my birthday." It's like, yeah.

- There are 365, maybe 366. It's obviously gonna overlap. - It's just a fucking day of the year. It's not like, since when was somebody like, "Oh, April 25th, it's Hitler's birthday." - Another one, another dumb thing was like, I think they were like, in the anime, I think they made them like slightly thinner compared to the manga. - Oh yeah. - People lost their fucking shit. They were like, "I can't believe this." - I can't believe they're fat shaming with these characters. I'm like, it's literally two pixels.

- And I'm just there like with my flaming hot Cheetos just sitting there like, "I don't fucking care." - It's who gives a shit? I mean, half the time they don't even do that consciously. - I don't like get the whole redrawing art or fixing art.

or whatever that's happening on Twitter. - It is like the most toxic thing. - Dude, artists arguing on Twitter, it's like the most like, they're just throwing the same grenade back and forth. I'm like, I'm not touching this. - It's like two cancer cells fighting. - Oh my God, going for the throat, Joey.

- I mean, I've tweeted about this. - I'm not affiliated with Joey in any way, artists. I like your work. - It's like two cancer cells fighting. It's like either way I'm dying from cancer. - You can never like porn on Twitter ever again. - How dare I? - No more porn for you, Jerry. - All the artists are gonna come after you now. - All the artists. No, 'cause I remember there was one girl who,

with they did it with persona five as well. It's like how fucking dare you do with persona five. Cause like there was this new character in persona five Royal that came out called customy. And she's supposed to be like a professional gymnast. Right. And if you don't know anything about the persona games there's like the regular character design. And then there's your like persona character design

So the character had a gym uniform, right? Like the usual like female gym uniform. And it was based around that. And there was this person who got that and was like, "Oh, how dare Atlas sexualize this like, I think she's like 16 in the game." - It was a gym outfit. - And so like they colored in like pretty much like the leotard part out to make it just look like she was wearing a fucking like skin tight like suit. It looked like shit.

And they were like, "I fixed it, Atlas. This is what the character should look like." And then what pissed me off even more is when a tweet like that gets popular and then they reply to their own tweet being like, "By the way, guys, follow me on DeviantArt. I'm an artist. Please hire me." I'm like, "Look, look, artists out there, don't do that. That's not how you get hired." - Who are you to say what artwork is correct? - Yeah, yeah. - To me, that's like...

- It's like if we made a video and someone's like, "There, I corrected, I dubbed over it and made it funny." It's like, "Okay, so what?" - Yeah, exactly. - 'Cause what you're doing is you're basically just putting like a giant middle finger at the original artist. And you don't know what the fuck their intention was. They just made a piece of artwork. - Especially when it's like, the cultural difference between Japan and-

- Yeah, but like, I think the thing I had, the biggest gripe I had with the whole persona thing and a lot of these like, I fixed your art things is that like, there isn't anything inherently wrong with the original art. It's just your fucking prerogative that you think it's bad. - I mean, Twitter's a shit show. - Yeah, yeah, of course. - Like this recent controversy with like the Yuzaki-chan design is just the most stupid fucking thing I've seen. - It's so dumb. Why is it even an argument? - Yeah. - Why is it even an argument?

I look at that shit and I'm like, how do you motherfuckers have the energy? How do you wake up every day and decide, you know what I'm gonna do today? Argue on Twitter for two hours. - I'm gonna get angry about the design of this fictional character. - Who's ever changed their mind 'cause of a fucking tweet? Like who in the history of humanity has seen a tweet and been like, you know my opinions, they're fucking wrong. - You'd be surprised.

I have changed my mind and I've made a mistake. You were right all along. - I had a relapse of judgment. - Oh my God. - But yeah, going on to other fandoms. - So JoJo fans. - So can we talk about JoJo fans? The locusts of the anime community. Because that's what they are. Locusts. - The religious plague of the anime community. - They're the frogs that most rain down. - I'mma head out.

- No, no, I mean, we can't shit talk. I mean, we can shit talk. - No, you can shit talk me, you can shit talk me. - But we can shit talk because we are in that fandom. - No, no, because we are in that fandom. We're JoJo fans. - I feel like we're varying degrees. - We're varying degrees. Like there's like, it's like a gradient, right? And you've gotten better recently.

- I went to rehab. - But my God, when Connor discovered JoJo, he was the most annoying JoJo fan you could ever imagine. - Yeah, in the church of JoJo, he went from like altar boy to the Pope. He just ascended.

Everything has to be JoJo. - It's like, when did you like first properly get into JoJo? 'Cause was it when you were like in peak JoJo toxicity? - Yeah, because I'm curious because from my point of view, it kind of happened out of nowhere. - So I had watched, when I was moving house once, I downloaded, 'cause at the time,

only "Stardust Crusaders" finished. - Yeah. - Before part four started. And I downloaded it all and I was like, well, you know, this guy talks about it a lot on YouTube and says it's quirky. And I fucking hated the art style. I thought it looked like shit. I was like, why is it so fucking ugly? Which is what I hear a lot from JoJo fans and I totally understand. - You downloaded it 'cause I mentioned it? - Yeah. - I've created a monster.

- Oh my God. - He did this. - Oh my God. - You're like the scientist who created Frankenstein. - I feel like maybe you had a part to play in the catalyst of like, if you didn't start it, but maybe you definitely accelerated it. So I downloaded it and I was moving house and I had no internet for about a week. And it didn't even take me a week, it took me three days. So I watched and oh my fucking God, dude, "Stardust Crusaders" part one, the first watch,

That shit was so long. I was there in Orangutan, there was a boat. What is that Iraqi? Now I love it. - Now it's hilarious. - Now I think it's amazing. But at the time I'm like, I hate this. I hate this so much. Part two had a good thing going. Why are you ruining it Iraqi? Part one, okay, here's what it is, right? And I sympathize a lot with JoJo fans who come, not JoJo fans, people who want to get into JoJo who are like, I just can't get into it. It's hard. Yes, it is hard to get into.

it is just such a weird thing and it's so different from what you're used to. - Dare I say it's an acquired taste. - I think some parts it is. And there's almost a lot of people now who really want to like it just to get the memes and be in the know. And it's like, you don't have to, I don't care if you do or don't.

The biggest thing about JoJo fans I wanna say is that please stop trying to get absolutely everyone into JoJo. Not everyone should get into JoJo because it's not something that appeals to everyone. - And it is a commitment as much as I like, I have to basically say to people, if you make it past "Stardust Crusaders", you're probably in for the lump. But that is nearly what, like 70 episodes? - It's 48 plus, yeah, it's about 70. - It's like 20 volumes of the manga.

asking someone to be like, "Hey, it gets good 72 episodes into the point of like no return." It's like, that's a hard sell. Anyway, so I'll get back to that. So I watched it and then I kind of was like, didn't think anything of it. And then I watched part four and I was like, this is really good. Part five hadn't come out. I was adamant on, I actually tried to read the manga, but I couldn't do it. I was like, yeah, 'cause at this point I didn't start reading manga. I was strictly not reading manga.

So I was like, no, I can't do it. I've read the first chapter of part five and I was like, no, no, no. Who's this fucking Jordan? So then I started watching part five as it aired. I got about three episodes in and I was like, I really wanna know what happens. And so I started reading ahead and then it became like, I read part five in like a day, I think. And then I read part six the next day.

And then I read part seven over like two, three days and part seven was like by far my, and part seven is when I think it solidified like my obsession with it. 'Cause part seven was so fucking amazing. And if you have finished all the anime and you're one of the anime only peeps who I was for a long time, please give it a shot. The manga is so, so good. - Yeah, part six and seven's manga is so good. - Yeah, then I became like obsessed and I was like, okay, well I wanna go back and read all the manga now 'cause I feel that like it was kind of a really,

different experience and I got to go through it a lot faster. And a lot of the pacing issues I felt in the anime, at least for part three, could be resolved with the manga. So I went back and rewatched it and I just became fully obsessed. And I think whilst I was reading part seven, I was meeting up with you a bunch and I slowly became more annoying. - Yeah, because like the thing I hate about JoJo fans is that they,

Like they assume that nobody watches JoJo like in the old days. - Right. - You know what I mean? They are the most vocal fan base out of fucking any other anime fan base. And they always the same fucking- - We wanna talk about a dick measuring contest. Like JoJo fans- - I actually feel sorry for any musician who Araki chooses to like name as a staff. - Oh dude, you go to the comment section on YouTube? - Yeah, and it's like the JoJo fans have taken over. - Oh my God.

which is like, I call them locusts, right? 'Cause they like invade, they take all the crops, they take everything and then they move on to the next one. It's like the independence day aliens, right? Where they just like make this fucking world uninhabitable and then they move on to the next world. - Did you see when the Star Wars released a new like R2D2 thing, it was called Dio. - Oh my God. - All the comments were, "Cono Dio da!" Like all of them. - And so,

when Connor was in like peak JoJo fandom, this kind of came out of nowhere. 'Cause he would just start making JoJo references like in everyday life. And like, I remember in England, we still hung out like pretty often. - Yeah, like once or twice every, well, one a week or every two weeks. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. And just every time I would hang out with Connor, he would just keep making JoJo references. He was like, I thought JoJo fans were annoying.

online hanging out with a Jojo fan in real life as a fan of Jojo made me start to hate Jojo. And I didn't know that was physically possible until I started hanging out with Connor. Like we would be like eating a meal in like some Italian restaurant and Connor would just be going through this fucking menu being like, "Oh, prosciutto, that's a Jojo character. Oh, look, you ordered the black pasta. This is like that scene from part two where..."

- Jesus Christ, that's a JoJo. - And I would just be sitting there being like, "Motherfucker, I'm just trying to eat my fucking pasta. Can you not right now?" - I remember I would just do it on purpose at some point, and I'd be like, "Oh, you approached me." - I remember that one party we went to and we got fucking wasted. And every time someone walks towards you, you would be like, "Oh, you're approaching me. You're approaching me, oh."

- And it was like, I'm so glad I wasn't in the UK. - It was funny like the first two times, but like the 50th time of the night. - The worst part was everyone at the party started doing it. 'Cause I had done it so much that everyone was saying it. - They didn't know what even they were even referencing most of the time. - That was just copying. - Yeah, needless to say that,

- I get it because the passion for it when you first get into like really into it is so intense. And like you love everything about it. - Because everything about that is so quotable. Like you can take anything out of context and it's quotable. - I think that it's like the way I try and describe it is like the selling point is that like it's such a unique experience in anime and in manga that you just, nothing comes close. I know everyone says that, but it really is. And I think also because

especially I think the reason it's done so well in the West is that I feel like it's kind of almost accessible 'cause a lot of the Western references make it really easy to digest. - Well, it's because Araki as well has said that he's like, his biggest influence was Western comics. - And it's so cool because it feels like

it's like, oh, anime is like kind of like acknowledging us, our kind of like thing, right? And like, you know, I fucking love Earth, Wind and Fire. And when I first saw like the stand Earth, Wind and Fire, I was like, I fucking love that band. You know, when you see a band that you listen to, it's so hype, you know? - And then when you see it again in part seven, you're like, hold on a second. - Wait, did Aki do a mistake? No, it's like, I think it's so,

easily digestible in some ways. And it's such a, no author does anything like this in any other way. And the absurdity of it, but also it's so dumb yet clever at the same time. It's really just in an overall experience and such a good style. - Well, that's why it's one of the most parodied Shonen Jump titles ever by other Shonen Jump. - I'm reading "I Shield 21" at the moment. And they fucking, when they throw the ball, some of them shout aura.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it's like, just gonna casually drop it. - Literally every Shonen Jump artist has probably parodied or referenced JoJo in some way. - Yeah, but it's like so unique. So that's why it's infinitely like fucking quotable. People can reference this all day long and people do reference this all day long. - A little too much. - Which is what gets annoying at some points because I remember when JoJo first started airing in like parts one and two. I remember talking about it. - No one gave a shit.

- I remember talking about it and I was like, I think it was like in my very first year of view when it was like 2013. And I was like talking about JoJo being like, yeah, there's this like long forgotten anime that's being long forgotten manga that's being adapted called JoJo. You guys should probably watch it. Not knowing how big it would become fucking seven years later. 'Cause now everyone in the anime community knows JoJo, but I don't think everyone in the anime community

- Should get into JoJo, you know what I mean? - No, no. - It's hard. Like as much as I love it, there's so many pitfalls that would put someone off in the first few parts where he's really coming into his own as an author. Like I think part four is really where he starts to be like, okay, from part four onwards, you're getting a fucking amazing experience. - Yeah, yeah. - But there's so many growing pains in between that. And yeah, it's...

- Part one and three mostly, I feel like are the growing pains. - And I think that's also one of the annoying parts is that people who love part two then go to part three and they get something totally kind of different and it's hard to be like,

- It's hard to adjust. - Just like kind of put up with it. Like I wonder like if I had internet, you know, I had any form of internet, would I have dropped it? Like I wonder about that. 'Cause the only reason I watched it is I had no other anime downloaded except for this. And I remember being like, fucking come on man. - Yeah. - This fucking fight's so boring. Like come on.

- And I don't know, it just feels like nowadays people will still make JoJo references and the JoJo fandom still acts like it's this really underground kind of show that everyone should get into. And it's just not that case anymore. - Yeah, we are an annoying fandom. - I don't think they understand that they might be pushing a lot of people away from the show now just because of how vocal they are. - I like to now at least publicly with my JoJo references, I like to be sparing and like save it for a good moment.

'Cause a good Jojo reference at the right time, hits differently. - It does hit differently. But like, that's the thing, right? Is like, I think as well that a lot of people are just getting fucking sick of Jojos because it is so quotable in any situation. And like so many of the Jojo memes now are just like, dude, come on.

I'm just like, dude, come on, you can do better than that. Like, please. - Like there are a lot of good memes. - There are a lot of good memes. - I think it's like that now because there's no new anime part airing, but whenever there's a new anime airing. - Oh dude, when part six like becomes an anime, whatever that may be, the memes are gonna be fucking top tier. Like we already know, but in the meantime, there's just the dead moment of just dead memes.

where it's just kind of putting the JoJo fan base in a little bit of a bad light, I feel, because they're just shitting out these memes everywhere. People are just like, all right. - They do go a bit ham. - I get it. - But like for you as a JoJo fan, do you ever feel defensive whenever someone shits on JoJo or like? - Oh, it depends what for. Like if they're shitting on it, like just to shit on it, which many people are because the fandom is super fucking annoying, right? So I mean- - And it's a popular show. - I get annoyed by it.

'Cause I read this shit and I'm like, dude, you're 12, don't talk on the internet. - Who gave you permission? - Your profile picture is Meliodas, please stop. It's hard, right? 'Cause it's like watching your little brother like shit his pants in public. It's like, come on, man. - Not now. - You're making me look bad. 'Cause there's so many like cool things in JoJo like, okay,

- The JoJo like fashion is like the coolest fucking shit. - Dude, it is fucking next level. - It's by far I think the best anime fashion. Like I don't think anything comes close to me. - I mean, you know, that's how they did a collab with like fucking Louis Vuitton. - Gucci. - Gucci, right? - I am so fucking sad that I don't own anything from the Gucci collection. You know if they do another JoJo Gucci collection. - Was it Gucci or Louis Vuitton? - They did both. - They did Louis Vuitton as well? - I think they did Louis Vuitton as well, right?

- The figures with the gems in them. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We know fashion. - They Gucci, Gucci, 'cause they did a, I think,

- Yeah, Araki wrote a short, I think it was a 12 page or three page. - Yeah, with Kishibe Rohan, right? - Right, Kishibe Rohan Gucci promotion. And it's fucking amazing and I wish that I had, like no anime comes close to like pure like fashion style as JoJo. - I mean, Araki did a fucking JoJo exhibition at the Louvre. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, it's like,

- No other anime artist can do that. - It's not even close. And the reason why is 'cause anime is such a, I feel like it's been like watered down style, right? It's like the style is so same at this point. And then you have something like Jojo that yes, is very,

very grating to look at in the start, but the more you come into it and the more you get into it, you're like, "Holy shit, okay, this is really fucking cool." - No, 'cause I feel like after about, I think it's part four or part five where Araki- - Gets gay. Gets gay. He just gets gay. - Part five is hella gay. - Yeah, part five is,

- There's so much gay tension in part five. It's like perfect. - I've never seen that many open chests in my life. - And you can see how much of like, - Fashion is rubbed off. - How much fashion is like rubbed off onto his like character designs and just like the entire aesthetic of. - Most of the poses from like part four or five onwards are all like,

just Vogue covers or like fashion shots that are taken. And they're just like amazing in anime form. Like it's so obvious that he had like an appreciation for fashion that I don't think many authors had. I'm sure that some of the comments was like, actually, but.

- It's just super mainstream. We just haven't seen that. - It's someone who obviously loves fashion, but has been able to integrate it in such a unique way. 'Cause there's a difference between having like, I don't know how to put this into words, but like having characters wear good fashion. Like one of the things I love about Rental Girlfriend actually is how like their outfits change. And I was one of the few like,

like anime you see where every episode the character is wearing like a different outfit. - Right. - You can tell like the author put thought into this, but like what I feel about Jojo fashion is just that it embodies fashion. You know what I mean? Not just the clothes, but just like the whole aesthetic, the whole feel and everything like that. - It feels like runway models with personality. - Yeah.

- Oh my God, that is like so JoJo. - From part five onwards, it does feel like everyone is a runaway model. - It's runaway models with superpowers. - That's genuinely what it feels like. And I never gave a fuck about fashion, but ever since getting into JoJo, when I saw high fashion stuff, expensive shit, I'm like, "Oh God, it kinda looks pretty fucking good."

- It's true though. - I literally never, I always used to think like $10 for a t-shirt is the maximum. And then the more I got, like, I started looking at Jersey and I'm like, why is that guy hot? Like he looks fucking dumb, but like it's hot though. Like, and then I was like, dude, his outfit is fucking cool. - Yeah. - And you're like, okay, maybe I can start to appreciate fashion a little bit. - Oh yeah. - I definitely came to the same because I mean,

there's this brand in Japan called Glam, which does a massive. - If you're wondering where we get most of our like anime t-shirts now, it's probably from Glam. - All of the JoJo shirts that you've seen is probably from Glam. - I scoffed the first time I saw one, the t-shirt was like $80. That is a lot and that pain me to pay that. But after a while I'm like, this shit looks so good that I would rather have one of this t-shirt than eight shitty t-shirts. - Yeah, exactly.

- There's only a few places where I can rep like my favorite anime and not have to worry about- - Being fucking embarrassed. - Being that cringey weeb, right? 'Cause like there's some anime fashion which there's no other way I can put it, but just, it's just tacky. - It's so tacky, put a fucking look,

put a fucking giant logo. - It's just like the kind of shirts you only wear to anime conventions and that's it. - Or as pajamas. - Exactly, but some like the JoJo fashion I seen just looks fucking fantastic.

- Exactly. - And you can like, you can be a weeb just like in public, you know, and still. - Yeah, that Diavolo jacket I have, a King Crimson jacket I have is like so fucking sexy. - Yeah, exactly. - I love wearing that jacket. - It's so fucking cool. - God damn. - Basically there is a lot to love about JoJo. - That's the last dick suck I will do of JoJo, yes. Defend him is probably

- It's probably one of the worst, if not the worst right now publicly. Like it's pretty fucking awful. - Yeah, it's pretty bad. - I wish you guys would chill the fuck out a little bit. - Yeah, exactly. - 'Cause I feel like the only time I've had a knee jerk reaction about someone saying a thing about Jojo.

- I had the exact same thing. - I became everything I hated. I mean, we've already talked about this, but it's Critical. It's when Critical did, what did he do a video on again? - He was talking about, it was Dunkey's video.

about how Final Fantasy fans are the worst and like they're like so aggressive about their opinion. - Yeah, so it's a critical video that's called "Dunkey has gone too far." I think that's- - Something like that. - Something like that. - And so Charlie talks about how, you know, these rabid Final Fantasy fans have taken Dunkey's opinion way too seriously, right? And then he goes in this, he uses this analogy.

And of course, of course he uses JoJo pass. And I was, when he brought up JoJo, I was ready to be like, you're right King. - Totally right. - Like you are totally right. - Totally get it. - You dropped this. - Part one sucks, part three sucks, we get it. - Yeah, yeah. - And then he goes on to say that I think he prefers part one and two to part three and four. And I just had this, I just had this, I've never hit the space bar with such aggression. I'm like, what?

- What? I've heard most opinions about JoJo. - I've heard shitty texts. That was the shittiest text. Charlie, what was that? What was that? Charlie, part four is amazing.

- That's amazing. - I just want to understand. - Come on the podcast, Charlie, explain yourself. - Look, I don't wanna be that Jojo fan right now, but I'm going to fully morph into that Jojo fan. 'Cause like I've heard, if you don't like Jojo, that's fine. I've heard that take so many times when I'm just like, Jojo's not for you, that's good, that's fine. But I've never heard the take where someone- - I've never heard that.

- Someone prefers parts one and two over parts three and four. Maybe like maybe part two over part three, but part one, part one over three and four. - Four is amazing. - I don't like the personified powers. I'd rather see the powers I can't fucking see. - Charlie, Charlie, this, you know, I just want to understand. I want to understand. - Please, please, I need to know. - This is a spot right here, Charlie, for you to explain yourself. - This is not hate.

I just want to know. I want to know. Because me and Connor both like space bar this, go to the comment section and nobody was talking about it. - Yeah, no one was talking about it. - Nobody was really about it. - I was so furious. I was like, why is nobody talking about it? This is the biggest issue in 2020. Why is nobody talking about it? - Probably because they're all off on like r/JoJo being like, did you see this? Did you see this bullshit? - I've...

- I've never had a reaction like that in my life. I've normally been like, yeah, King, whatever you want, man. And I was like, no, no, that is wrong. What is that? - That's just wrong. - 'Cause it's literally the first time I've heard this opinion. - I've never heard that. - I thought I was prepared for anything. - So yeah, Charlie, come on and defend yourself.

- We need to talk. - Yeah, we do need to talk. - Come to Japan. - Come to Japan. - When America stops imploding. - Come to Japan, not only because we want you as a guest on the show, but mostly because we wanna hear your opinions on JoJo. Your garbage, garbage opinions on JoJo. - I'm just kidding.

- Moving on from JoJo, which is probably the worst fan right now. We all agree, right? JoJo is the worst fandom right now. - Yeah. - Dragon Ball is a close second. - Whenever like, whenever like, whenever a JoJo anime is airing, it's just like the anime community is just like a minefield. - Oh yeah, it's great. I love it, I love it.

As a guy who can navigate the minefield comfortably. - As someone who was going into the field planting new mines. - Playing the mind myself. I think another kind of fandom that we haven't touched on, we've only touched on Shonen fandoms. Arguably the horniest fandom, which is the Yaoi fandom.

- See, I don't really see it all that much. - You would be more of the expert than I am. - Yeah. - The Yowie fandom is imagine if instead of being passionate about Dragon Ball, you're passionate about dudes fucking. Like that's that level of passion. - I mean, good.

of good on them, I guess. - I read a manga recently and it was one where the whole kink was that he had inverted nipples and that was the selling point. - I saw that on Twitter. - It was like,

- And it's just crazy 'cause people get so into this stuff. And I love reading it 'cause it's so funny and absurd. Some people love this shit. And they get so aggressive about it. But then it's equally on the other side, there's like, don't fetishize this shit, it's not healthy. And it's always like a war going on. - What, about inverted nipples? - About like gay relationships and stuff like this 'cause it's like women, right? But I mean,

- I don't fucking care, I think it's stupid either way. Who takes this shit seriously? No one cares. I don't know. - The fucking inverted nipple shit killed me. - Oh, there's tons of them. - Because like, I could, it killed me because I knew it wasn't a parody. - I don't know, it's totally- - I was like, I know this is real. - The whole plot of that yaoi as well was a really fun, stupid one as well, I'll explain it to you. So it's great, 'cause even conceptually explaining it to you is so absurd. Maylene knows it, Maylene's read it.

So this guy needs to get a new house, right? And he finds this amazing share house that looks amazing, it's so cheap. And the reason why he gets it for so cheap is that the owner of the house only lets like hunks in, like absolute eye candy as he preps. And this Yowie starts off right by one of the other hunks who lives in the house.

It's like, come on, let's take a bath together. - Okay. - 'Cause they have like an onset or something. - Right, right, right. - And he sees his inverted nipples and he's like, dude, that's hot as shit. Like that's my kink. And he's like, you know, if you get you turned on enough, they'll invert back to normal. And so he immediately starts doing shit to him. And then it turns out that he'd hired a prostitute and that wasn't the prostitute, it was just the new housemate or something. And I was like, this is insane. The plots that they come up with in "Yowie" are just insane.

- I get it, a lot of people are like, "Oh God, sounds gay, I'm not into that." It's like, no, please read it, it's so fucking funny. - Oh no, I wanna read it. - Just the stories alone are so absurd, like the leaps that they take. - That's why I wanna get more into "Yowie" because like out of the few that I've read, I'm just like, this is too funny not to go further into. - If you genuinely wanna read like a decent "Yowie" with like a great story, I think "Ten Dance" is pretty good. It's about ballroom dancing. - Yeah, I've heard that one. - Hella gay, but so fucking good.

- Yeah. - Actually like an amazing story. And ironically. - I love how we went from Dragon Ball fan base to here's some yaoi. - Because I genuinely think that yaoi fans, 'cause you don't really see them. 'Cause you guys probably don't like. - Yeah. - They're like the Dragon Ball fans, but like for gay porn. Kinda, kinda. - Do they have like power levels on dick size and everything like that?

- And they don't care who can suck dick the best. They're not like, "Yo, Saitama can out suck Goku any day of the week. "Goku can have at least a 10 inch girth "any day of the week." - Goku has a 10 inch girth. - "Goku can still suck dick even with HIV." It's just like this kind of almost,

Like you'll say, oh, I like a yaoi. And if you say you like a yaoi, you better be prepared to be like, read this one. Oh my God, you have to read this one. This one's great. - Do you know how many fucking yaoi's are recommended after you and I did the yaoi ASMR video? - Yeah, because yaoi fans will not be content until you've read their favorite yaoi. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's like a lot of fandoms like that.

- True, true, true. - Like the Fate fandom, I think is definitely one of that where you're like, they hear that you're into like one Fate and then they'll, okay, I am that Fate fan. - How dare you haven't seen every tight-loom franchise. - Well, Fate fans are the, if Dragon Ball's the ghetto, Fate are the crack dealers.

That's the way I see it. They're the ones who are profiting off- - Yeah, it's like, so you want more, huh? Oh, I got more. - Oh, we got more. What do you want? You want the waifu? You want the story? - Their gateway drug is heroin. And then it only gets worse from there. We need a full ecosystem to know who is the failure in society. - It's like, oh, you finished all the fate, huh? Have you heard of Tsukihime? I know you want to get into that.

- Oh my God. - Oh, you like Saber? It's like the different kinds of marijuana strands, Saber. It's like, oh, you like Saber of the dank, dude. - We finally have every kind of Saber now 'cause Castle Saber just got recently released in the JP servers and now we can go full Saber. All the Sabers, give me more Sabers. - We don't need any more Sabers. - It's free real estate. - Stop it, type Moon.

- Like another toxic fandom, I can think of that. - We're just like checking off, who are we gonna piss off next? - Like, okay, let's just piss off everyone now. - We're gonna piss off everybody. - Who haven't we pissed off? - Do we have any more beers? - Webtoon readers, webtoon readers. Okay, so because like- - Do we even count them?

Is that even a fan base? I don't even know. - No, because like, I didn't realize how passionate they were until Tower of God started airing. And then I remember making a Tower of God video and like when I tweeted out or anytime I would tweet anything else about Tower of God, it was the most toxic, like,

you could ever think of. - Really? - Yeah, where people like Tower of God fans are that dedicated fandom. And from what I've seen, a lot of the Webtoon fan base are the same. 'Cause I've seen like equally with like the God of High School fandom as well.

where they will defend the show as like the greatest piece of literature that's ever been made. And I'm like, yeah, I liked "Tower of Gods." I haven't read the webtoon, so that could be better, I don't know. I think the anime is pretty mediocre as it is. But like they will like go to war to like make sure everyone knows how good this webtoon is. - I'm really scared now because I'm pretty sure next season we're getting the Noblesse anime, right?

which basically completes the trifecta of like the webtoon. - Yeah, 'cause you know when you have like a slight problem with like, or like a slight criticism with like this certain anime or show or manga and then you make like a tweet about it and then the billion fucking tweets you get to be like,

excuse me, no, this criticism is wrong. - Oh my God. - And that's like what I've seen with like Webtoons fans, like times a hundred. - Really? - Yeah, or at least like, or at least with Tower of God, 'cause like that was my experience with Tower of God where I was like, I like Tower of God. But then I've read like the comments chains and a lot of it just really put me off.

like the tower of God fandom. - I never got that at all. In my head, I was just like, Dan's got a fucking good soundtrack. That's all I heard. I was like, oh, it's Kevin. - Kevin, you did good. - You did good, Kevin. - Fuck the oxygen fandom. Fuck those guys. Who needs oxygen, man? They're real stuck up. Who haven't we pissed off yet then? Wait, is there a good fandom? - No.

'Cause the more I go through it, I'm like, "Love life, garbage, band room, garbage." - Fairytale. - Oh my God, fairytale's awful. - Oh my God. - Fairytale, man, it's like,

- The people who like fairy tale are the ones who kept those mats, you know, the kids with the town. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - They're the people who kept those and still use them. Have little cars go around. - I remember one time there was this fucking like, I think it was supposed to be a smear campaign against me, right? - Oh, 'cause you said the fairy tale was garbage? - Because I said that fairy tale was garbage in one of my Let's Fight videos. And there was a moment on Instagram where people were like,

tweeting out or posting this picture of Natsu and Lucy. And it was like, "Protect fairy tale from the anime man." And there was like 30 people on Instagram being like, "Yes, let's protect our favorite show." Because some dude on the internet said it was a garbage show. And I'm just like, "Oh my God, all I said was that this show sucks." It's like, just chill.

- Is it a natural occurrence that at a certain age, you just stop giving a fuck if someone hates on what you like? Or is it a thing that some people have? 'Cause I genuinely don't know anyone our age who gets that angry about, do you?

- I don't. - I don't. I mean, like I like to have like arguments, not arguments or like debates. - I love chatting shit. I love talking out of my ass and getting angry at Joey about the back of no doubt. But like, that's not like actually- - I'm not gonna be offended by it. - No, no, no. I mean, that's because we're friends, right? But I'm not gonna on Twitter get actually angry at someone 'cause I mean, a lot of the context and the humor is lost if I do. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I feel like on Twitter especially, which I feel like we're putting most of this,

most of our opinions on. - This is normally coming from Twitter. - Yeah, I'd say 90% of what I see has come from Twitter. It's just not like, not the right platform for this kind of like debate and argument. Like I said, who's ever changed their opinion 'cause of a fucking tweet? You know what I mean? You don't have enough characters to make a poignant argument that can-

- And I'm not gonna sit through a fucking like seven tweet thread. - The first thing you think when you get like, what a fucking 20 page paragraph, your immediate thought is not to like, I'm gonna consider what they've said. So you're like, how do I immediately counter this? Is your first thought on Twitter. It always is, it's everyone's first thought, right? - Yeah, of course. - So it's like, what's the fucking point?

- Yeah. - You just, you know, go and fucking watch Melio just touch up a girl. Who fucking cares? Go do what you want. - If you enjoy it, then cool. But just be aware that there are people out there who don't think that way, right? Who don't agree with the fact that- - It's not a personality trait to touch women. Just saying, I'm gonna say it. I'm just gonna say it.

- I just think it's stupid. - Yeah, it is. - Why does Meliodas need to do it? I don't know. I still wonder. I wake up in a cold sweat at night and I'm like, why- - Do you wake up like Meliodas did in that fucking game? - I mean, I think it's just- - Why is Meliodas assaulting women?

- No, I'm not a simp, right? - I just think it's 'cause of like when did they originally come out? Like it was like mid 2000s, right? - Or was it okay in mid 2000s? - No, 'cause remember this time in mid 2000s where entire character quirks was, "Ooh, let's trip over and touch an anime girl." - Literally every harem protagonist. - Yeah, literally every harem protagonist. That was like the quirk. - There's a difference between tripping up there and being like,

- True, true, true. - As an adult male, an adult monkey brained male, I watched that and I sat there and I thought, who is this appealing to, this character trait? Like I'm wondering who, 'cause do you know? 'Cause I don't fucking know. It's gotta be 12 year olds, right? - It's gotta be 12 year olds. - That's how like most of my arguments are done. Like who likes this? 12 year old, must be. Probably isn't, but to my head, no adult who's functioning in society

- Maybe I just answered my own question. - Yeah, there you go. It's not appealing to those who are functioning society. - If you are over the age of 18, do you like that Meliodas touches people? If so, can you tell me why? 'Cause I'm genuinely curious. Like what about it is fun?

- I can understand if you don't have a problem with it, but like if you actively like, yeah. - Enjoy it, like that's a good quality. - I'm genuinely curious. - They're like, "Hell yeah, Melio, "does you feel up that bitch?" - 'Cause like I said, I don't give a shit. It's just kind of like smelling a bad fart. Like I'm like, "Fuck it, ugh, disgusting, carry on." But like, I don't care. Like it's not gonna stop me from watching it. I just think it's dumb.

- I don't know. - I mean, it's like the bad animation is more likely to stop you from watching it. - Yeah, that's way worse. - That's way worse. That's a way better reason to stop fucking watching it. - God, what did they do to you? I'm sorry, Seven Deadly Sins fans. They did you dirty. - I think what this episode has given me the realization of is that if you put the blank fandom

and you put any anime in that blank, it's probably gonna be a shit fan. - Oh yeah, I mean- - As long as a fandom exists, it's probably gonna suck in some way. - Yeah, think of any fandom and you'll find annoying ass fucking memes or dumb shit they say. So if you are a fan of any anime in general, don't take what we said personally, we just like to talk shit out of our ass. - We hate all fandoms equally. - None of this is serious. If you're a Dragon Ball fan, please don't think that you can't talk to me.

- You can't actually. - You can as long as it's not about Dragon Ball. - Only if you're here to discuss the benefits of having Goku be HIV positive.

- JoJo fans, please just chill the fuck out. Not everyone needs to watch JoJo. We love JoJo. Not everyone will love JoJo. - What we said is not serious at all. It's just us talking shit for two hours, just having a fun time. - Exactly. - And hopefully none of you took what we said seriously today. Although if you are offended by this, odds are you didn't make it this far. - Let's make this fun.

What other fandoms piss you off? Let's make the comment section an entire fucking minefield. - If it's for us, if it's Dragon Ball, what is it for you? What fandom is it? Tell me, let us know. - Let us know, this is gonna go well.

Hey, but in the meantime, check out all these patrons that are helping us to support the show and making us- - Is it the Trash Taste Fandom? - The Trash Taste Fandom. - Perhaps the- - Trash Taste more like Trash Takes, am I right? - Absolute toxicity right here on the screen right now. These toxic people supporting the show. - If you'd like to have your name appear on screen, go and do so by clicking the link down below to go to our patron. And thank you so much for those people who throw their money at us.

and help produce the show. - And help produce this fucking toxicity that we've just produced today. - Absolutely disgusting toxicity. - Oh my gosh. - And in the comment section of this video on and off, then you can also follow us. - I can't wait for the amount of clips that get like clips and put on Twitter. - Oh God. - Like we are going to like- - The amount of smear campaigns that are gonna happen on trash days. - Let's cancel Connor. - How fucking dare they? - It's disgusting. - We're gonna get canceled from every fucking side of the anime fandom.

- If you piss off everyone, it's a negative situation. - Exactly. - Everyone's like, well, he pissed everyone off, so it must be okay. - Exactly. - But if the comment section on and off for you guys, then you can also let your opinions be shined over on our Twitter and subreddit as well. Post your horrible toxic fan base memes over there.

And yeah, guys, please don't get offended with anything we said. None of this is serious. As you can see, we're drinking. So immediately it negates all fucking credibility of what we're saying. - I just noticed we've been fucking moving around so much more, like the more we've drunk.

- Fuck anime. I hate anime. Why do you watch anime? It's fucking shit. - Anime is mad. It doesn't hit different. It was a lie. God lied. Goodbye, Trash Taste viewers. - Yeah, if we're not canceled by the next episode, then we'll see you next week. All right, bye-bye. - Bye. - Bye.

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