THINGS THAT TERRIFY US | Trash Taste #39
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- Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste where I don't know what we're talking about today, but I'm joined by the boys who are awesome. Don't know what we're talking about today. - It's good to have a normal episode.

Like we've had a few now where, God, I'm finding it hard to talk now. Jesus Christ, I need to like fire up my brain. - There were so many things that I wanted to talk about like a week or two weeks ago, but we just couldn't 'cause we had like themed episodes. Like, okay, for example, I'm gonna just go right into the topics. - Sure. - Okay, I've had a few topics that I wanna talk about as well, but we can just quick fire through every topic that we wanted to talk about. - Go for it. - About three weeks ago,

I was scrolling on the youtube.com app at like midnight, pretty late. I was getting ready for bed. Some reason this genre of video started getting recommended to me, which was about like dangerous caves. - Okay. - Okay. - Have you ever seen these videos? - Maybe I have. - Basically it's just about caves that people go, I think it's just literally called caving.

where they go in and explore caves. - Is it like uncharted and unexplored caves? - There's sometimes uncharted ones, sometimes explored ones. And it was just one of those things where I was like, I do not understand why people do this. Like I could not fathom it. So there was this one video, I can't remember what it was called. It was talking about a cave in the UK. And this cave had a section in it, right?

where the person has to crawl through the cave on their like, you cannot turn around. So you are crawling like this, right? For like a mile. - I feel like I've seen that. And it's like just wide enough to fit a single person. - One person go in it and you can't turn around until you get to the end of the part or the middle section where there's a part where you can stand up and turn around. - That sounds horrible. - To myself, I'm like,

- That is a claustrophobes worst nightmare. - I watched some of these videos and I get anxiety. Not even watching it, but just from the idea, thinking about it. And some people do this with uncharted caves as well, which to me just blows my fucking mind. And I get, if we don't do it, somebody's gonna have to be crazy enough to do it. - Who's dead ass looks at like a hole that just goes on forever and is like,

I'm gonna crawl through that. - Yeah, so it's horrifying 'cause there was like, the thing about this video, and the cave is blocked off now, so you can't get into it. You still can in different ways apparently, but what ended up happening was there was a flood while four people were inside the cave. And yeah, they just, obviously they drowned 'cause they were stuck in the part where you're crawling. - This reminds me of that scene from Japan Sinks. - Yeah, it's horrible. And I was like, I have seen, I've watched documentaries about horrible stuff, you watch some videos about horrible stuff,

all kind of horrible stuff and nothing got my like anxiety going like this. And it was just awful. I was like, oh my God. And yeah, I did see other YouTubers who their whole channel is that they just explore caves that have never been explored.

which is like simultaneously the coolest thing, but also why the fuck would you, why don't you just like review stuff? I don't know, why don't you like react? - You could have made your YouTube channel around anything else. - It's so cool though, 'cause like you sit there and someone was asking one of these YouTubers like, "Why do you do it? "Why do you climb in caves?" Oh, 'cause it's like the only place on earth where like no one can communicate to you and no one knows anything about, and it's like a secret to discover.

- Go to space. - Go to space, I don't know about that. Oh yes, I'll get on my rocket ship. - I feel it's a lot cooler. - Maybe, but there was this one video about this cave in, I think it was Utah.

It's called like the Nutty Putty Cave. And that's because apparently the soil is over texture. - Nutty Putty. - Yeah, so apparently the cave is like putty. - That just sounds like a euphemism. - So let me paint a picture of this cave. So it's basically this cave is essentially just one cave that just goes down deep. And it was a pretty well explored cave. So most of this cave was all really well documented and mapped out. So it wasn't a cave for like super, super experts. It was like, oh, if you like caving, you can go in it.

and it's fine. And there's two path points in this cave. One where you're supposed to go down and one that is too thin to go down. And the other part is called like the birth canal in this cave. 'Cause it's so tight, right? That you have to grab, once you get your hands through this cave, you have to pull yourself vertically down 'cause it's too tight. So you have to pull yourself. So what happened was, right? The reason why this cave is now closed and why it's famous is that there was a story where this guy went down the wrong way.

And he thought because it was getting really tight that, oh, I'm in the right point 'cause this is the birth canal. So instead of thinking, ah, maybe I should like stop, wait for my mate, you know, he's like, all right, I should keep going. So he keeps going down a point that's too small and just gets stuck head first down a cave. - Oh my God. - And we're talking like proper like tight, the whole thing.

And it's really brutal. Cause this guy stuck there for 12 hours and there's like tons of rescue attempts from like people and eventually just dies. Cause obviously he's up.

upside down for 12 hours. And it's just horrible hearing this. And also, could you imagine being a rescue worker? Like having to get someone out of a cave? - I feel like being a rescue worker in that sense, you are as likely to die rescuing the person. - So at one point, one of the rescue worker gets stuck with him because he tries to go down the same way just to pull him out and get stuck. But luckily they get the rescue worker out. But then I was thinking like, is this just a bunch of

who are rescue workers who are trained in like cave rescue, 'cause that seems like harder than the actual caving. - Yeah, like you already have to be good at exploring a cave, right? - I mean, how can you even be properly trained for an environment like that? - Yeah, because surely I feel like that's such a specialized job, 'cause you have to set up a bunch of winches in a cave that's not set up for anything.

- Also like what life choices make you decide, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna do something that's even more dangerous than cave diving and that's helping people who get stuck cave diving. - At least people who skydive or do risky stuff like that, at least you get a quick death if you fuck up. But with like caving- - That's the part that fucked me up is that if you're stuck, you're stuck. - It's a slow death. - It's just a slow death and you're in a tight space and .

- I'm getting anxiety just talking about this. - I'm not even claustrophobic and that works me out. - I was like exploring caves, that sounds kind of cool. I'm down for that. Exploring caves where once I go in, I can't turn around, that scares the shit out of me. That sounds terrifying. I wanna be like, fuck, go back. Because if also more often than not, it's recommended obviously not to go alone. What happens if the guy in front of you starts panicking?

and you're the one behind it. - There's nothing you can do. - 'Cause then you're gonna start panicking 'cause you're like, fuck, I'm stuck. The guy in front of me is stuck 'cause he's freaking out. Should I be freaking out? He told me this was a good idea. Fuck. - You know like in the horror movies where you're in a group, there's a group and then someone says, oh, let's split up. That's the smart thing to do. And you think,

who in real life would actually do that? And I feel like these are the people who are just like making the decisions where you're just questioning why the fuck are you making this decision right now? This seems like a really stupid decision. - That's why I hate most like modern horror movies because they always throw in that trope as if people watching this in the cinemas are like,

Finally, someone made a good choice in a horror movie to split up. - Also another scary thing about being stuck underground, no signal. So you can't call for help. The only reason in that nutty putty thing is why someone got help 'cause his brother was with him and was like, oh, he's stuck and went up to get help. But that's brutal. Imagine watching just your family member just die. - Just slowly die. - Yeah, that's horrible. - Yeah, I can't fucking imagine

- Sorry to start this podcast on a morbid note. - And to top it off, it's not even like a cool sounding place to die either. - Bro, at least die cool bro, what the fuck? - My brother got stuck in a cave. - Yeah, no, it's like, you know, there's like a difference between like, oh yeah, my friend got stranded in Death Valley and died versus my brother got stuck in the Nutty Putty and died. You know, it's like, it's a little unfortunate. - It's sad as well, 'cause part of the story as well, it's like, he just had like,

two newborn kids or something. And it's like, why? It's like the video starts, he had a kid, he decided to celebrate by going caving and I'm like, no. Why? - Yeah, it's funny 'cause I've been recommended like, I would say not like a similar genre of YouTube videos, but just like in the opposite sense, which is just YouTubers who just climb really high places. - Oh, the urban climbers. - I kind of get that.

- I don't know why. - I don't. - I don't like similarly how watching these cave divers, you get like a claustrophobic. I get vertigo watching these people just climb really high places. - I also have a fear of heights. So just watching it. - I can understand that. I'm like, all right.

- One, you know, normally climbing is like, you know, arguably climbing a tall skyscraper is probably safer than going down a cave that's unexplored. - Probably, yeah. - Probably. - I mean, there's a difference between the feeling of being trapped and just, you know, falling from a very high place. I can see why you get that sense of freedom, which is,

exactly the opposite of what you get in Gaven. - Yeah, that's what I can understand that. You get the view and it's pretty cool. I kind of get it, even though I know it's insane. - Yeah, not gonna lie, either way, finna pass on that. - Yeah, yeah, because I got recommended this video and the title of this video was,

reflecting on the day I almost died. And I'm just like, oh man, this is a, it's getting a bit too real here. And it's just this guy who is climbing up this really tall building in Hong Kong, right? And it's just like this POV shot and it's just him doing commentary over it. - Right. - And so he climbs up this really tall building in the middle of like from, kind of like dawn. So before the sun rises.

And by the time he gets to the top, the sun starts rising. And so you have this really tall skyscraper and on top of this skyscraper, there's just like this really rickety scaffolding that goes like off like another mile or something, you know what I mean? - Right, right. - And so he starts climbing up this when it's like dark. And then by the time he gets to the top, the sun has risen and he can see the view. And then it starts raining.

- Oh no. - And he's up there by himself. And in the commentary, he says that I had two choices. Either I could wait up there, wait out the rain and just kind of risk someone would see me and getting a rescue attempt and I'd probably get arrested. Or I could just attempt to climb down even though that would be, I would be more likely to slip off and die. So of course, he decides to climb down.

Like getting arrested and being rescued. - This is literally the horror movie split up or stay together. - That's what I'm saying, right? These people make the decisions to do what we see as like the dumbest decision. - I feel like if you're the type of person who's gonna climb up a skyscraper, you're gonna be the type of guy who climbs down a skyscraper. - I mean, I guess in his head he was like, either way I have to climb down. So I might as well just do it now. - I think there also is a fair amount of people who would rather die than be arrested.

- Maybe. - No, I genuinely believe there's a section of people who are like, I don't want a criminal record so bad, I'd rather not exist. - I'm gonna die here before I turn into a villain. - I think there's people who would rather take that risk, honestly. - Yeah, probably. - 'Cause in some countries, especially now, you get that shit, oh, your life's ruined. - True, true. - America. I'm kidding, no. Most developed countries, big time. - Yeah, I mean, like it's,

I mean, I find it interesting to watch people would go through the stuff, but yeah, I mean, I could never do it myself. I think the most I would wanna do is skydive and maybe bungee jump, but the more I hear about bungee jumping, the less I wanna go through it. - For me, bungee jumping is a hard pass. - Well, I think 'cause bungee jumping, it very much depends on where you're doing it and what company you're doing it with, or is it some dude and his mate with a truck and a bungee? - Are you in a country with health and safety regulations

- Yeah, yeah. - That's the biggest thing I think about. - I hear people like doing it in like places where I'm like, I don't think you should be bungee jumping. - I've seen and heard more bungee jumping accidents happen than skydiving accidents. So just like weighing out the ratio, I find that skydiving might be slightly better. - Also people bungee jump over like,

more often than not. And you don't want to slap that water. - Yeah, exactly. - Bye bye skin. - Water fucking hurts when you slap it at that stage. That speed, sorry. - I mean, it hurts when you're like belly flop from like two meters up.

Let alone like 30 meters. - I do wonder, I'm like, what causes, like what happens in your life? Are you born wanting to do extremes like explore caves or go to extreme heights? Is that like something you're born with or is that something you like? - It has to be something you're born with, right? - Or is that something that like over your life, something happens when you're a kid and it just, you know. - No, because like, I feel that, you know,

- From a young age, there's always like the kids who are going to be like, yeah, I'm gonna climb this really tall tree. - I was like that as a kid, I would climb anything. And then I don't know what, I think maybe the first time you fall over badly and you're like, fuck, this shit actually hurts if you fall. - I think it's the difference between when you fall off that tree and you hurt yourself. It's the difference between fuck, I'm never doing that again or fuck, that was worth it.

- Can you pinpoint the moment at any point in your life where you've like, you know exactly where your fear came from for something? I mean, your B, right? - My B one. I still have that memory to this day. - For me, well, I have a,

I'm afraid of heights, but like not too bad. Like it depends. - But you could be, I think like there's an experiment on kids, right? That some kids are born, like people are born with naturally a fear of heights. - Yeah. - Right, right. But I feel that my fear of heights came from the fact that at my parents' place, we have this kind of spiral staircase that goes down and I fell down that.

- Oh no. - Yeah, and luckily I didn't like break any bones or like hurt myself that badly. But I think I was only maybe like two or three years old when I did. And it's the earliest memory I have of me just falling down. And I'm pretty sure that caused a slight maybe like-

- Fear of height or something. - Doesn't it scare you that like little things that happened to you as a kid can just like fuck you up? - Yeah. - It makes me scared to have kids. I'm like, whoa, what if I like accidentally give him like too much broccoli and he won't have chicken and broccoli ever again, man. Like I traumatized him, right?

How do I know what's gonna traumatize the kid? - I love how that's the first thing you come up with. - I don't know. - I would be traumatized with chicken and broccoli. - If my kid, right, doesn't eat the fucking crust, I'm gonna be sitting there on the table with like the bottle of whiskey being like, "Where did it all go wrong?" - Where's the fuck go back button? - I used to be really claustrophobic. I don't really get it anymore, but I used to be really much the kid. I know exactly why. And it took me like years to realize like, "Oh, that probably was traumatizing." So one time,

our parents were out and it was me and my brothers messing around and we thought, bro, that's just a suitcase. We can do so much fun stuff with a suitcase for some reason. So for some reason, I think me and my brothers decided we're gonna take turns locking on each other in the suitcase. So I don't know why we decided to do this. Again, we were like four or five.

I got locked in the suitcase, bear in mind, for some reason I thought I should eat my Cocoa Puffs in the suitcase. So I was in the suitcase. - As far as you have the space for. - Yeah, I was in the suitcase just eating Cocoa Puffs. - What was the point of this? What did you get out of this? - I legitimately don't know why we did this. I just have this memory.

- It's just a kid thing to do. - And then my older brother thought it'd be funny to start flipping the suitcase with Coco puffs. And then that was where I drew the line. I was like, get me out, get me out of here. Then he wouldn't let me out for like 10 minutes. And I was like, I think I was traumatized. - I feel as well with that kind of like childhood trauma. It really depends on like what your siblings did to you. - Yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, I'm very glad that I had siblings. 'Cause I feel like, man, I don't know.

I learned a lot of valuable lessons. - I think it's because me and my sister, we kind of like think the same way in a lot of things. So like we wouldn't do something to the other person that we would hate to do. - See this is, if you have- - Only child. - When you have like three brothers, like I said, man, it's like fucking WrestleMania. - Yeah. - 'Cause we would like genuinely have like full fist fights. We'd like punch each other in the face.

- Yeah, I hear about this with like, Sidney and Russell had a similar thing where like, apparently they would just like punch the shit out of each other. And that's just like sibling love, I guess. - We didn't do it often, but it was like, if like, if we, if stuff got really bad, like we had a really bad argument, like we probably ended up fighting.

- Going back to the fear thing, do you know what fear fascinates me? I forgot what the name is, like tyrophobia or something? The one with the holes? - Oh, trypophobia? - Yeah, trypophobia. The one where you see a lot of small holes and stuff. 'Cause I didn't have a fear of this, and I think that literally was a fear that got garnered

because of the internet. Because we had like the lily plant in Thailand and I grew up with them. So, you know, the little seeds. So I was used to seeing this site everywhere. So I had no fear of it. And then watching enough fucking YouTube videos about this fear, I slowly gained it over time because I just saw these different like

like fucking disgusting Photoshop edits. - For me it wasn't even like a YouTube video, it was literally just typing trypophobia onto Google images. And just the first thing you see is just this row. - Don't fucking show any pictures. - Don't show it in the video. But you guys, if you want to then go for it. I'm warning you though, it's fucking gross. - I'm kind of glad that I had that though, 'cause that made me like understand. 'Cause you know, when I was growing up, I didn't really have, again, even though I was claustrophobic, I'm not really anymore. I don't really give a shit now.

Like I feel that that helped me understand when people have fears that don't make sense.

Because before that I didn't really get it. Like if someone was scared of like falling, I'm like, oh, it's just a fall man, you'll be fine. It's a little bit of height, it's safe. But now I get it. 'Cause from that I'm like, this makes no sense why a bunch of little circles make me feel gross. But now I get it. - My fear of heights is really weird because it's only like certain levels of heights that get me queasy. - 'Cause you know like if you go up to like the Tokyo tower. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's parts of it where

the floor is made out of glass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So you can see down. Is that okay? - I'm totally okay with that. - Okay, yeah. - But you take me onto the balcony of like a 10 story building and make me look down, that fucks me up. - Oh really? - Yeah. I think it's because, it might be because like, say with like, you know, Tokyo Tower, like the glass thing, right? Like, you know that is safe. Like you could stand on that, you can jump on that. - Man, you trust the engineering. - Yeah, I do. It's like, they wouldn't,

this is Japanese standards of engineering. They wouldn't put this here if there was a fear that somebody could jump on this and you could break through it, right? So I know I can stand on that, look down on it and fuck around with it because I know that's safe. - Fuck around with it? What are you doing? Getting your chisel out? - No, I could like, I'd fucking stomp on it and jump around and stuff just to like freak out whoever I'm with.

And I'm fine with that. That doesn't scare me at all 'cause I know that's safe. But you put me onto like a balcony and I know nobody won't do it, but the fear of somebody could come behind me right now and just push me over the edge. - That's what I have. - That scares me. - I have that fear whenever I stand on the platform edge in Japanese trains.

- Oh really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I've seen enough anime where the main character gets shoved off and there's nothing they can do. And I feel that. So whenever I'm like standing on the edge of a platform, I literally have to stand at a 90 degree angle because otherwise I just feel uncomfortable. I feel like someone could push me.

- Yeah, exactly. 'Cause at least if someone tries to push me on the side, I can like try to stop the momentum, but there's literally nothing I can do. - I don't walk, 'cause like normally the platform is so full, right? So, and people don't stand on the yellow part, which is like the danger zone. But like, if I need to get to the other side, I'll walk on the danger zone, but I won't walk there if the train's coming. 'Cause I'm not risking being nudged or something. But you know, if there's no train, if I get pushed on the tracks, I'll just get back up.

- Someone will grab me, right? - I don't know, man. I've seen someone get like falling onto the tracks before. - Really? - Yeah. - What happened? Did people help him? - Oh, I mean, obviously like they have those like emergency buttons that alerts everybody. So like, I think it was, it was obviously like some drunk dude just out of his mind. - Yeah, I think there's posters all around the Japanese stations being like,

- Oh, don't be drunk. - I think it's something like 60 to 70% of people who fall into the Drax are usually because they're drunk. - Yeah. - Which makes sense. But yeah, I saw some dude like kind of stumble around and I was like, oh God, this guy's getting pretty close to the edge. And then sure enough, he just went. - Oh wait, there was someone at our station one time. I remember seeing that. - Oh really? - Yeah, it was a bunch of stretches and stuff. Unfortunately, they fell and hit their head pretty bad.

- Well, that's the thing, right? - The gap is big. - It's really deep. So if you're not careful, you can hurt yourself even if there's no train coming.

- Do you guys have this like unfounded feeling or fear or whatever, whenever you see like a big red emergency button that you shouldn't press and your mind's like, what if I press that? - No, I don't get that. - I totally get that. Like every time you would go through the school hallways and there'd be like the fire alarm button, every time I would just stop and look at it and be like,

"God, I wanna press this." - I've never gotten this urge. - Because it's like, I feel that's an experience that only like the 0.1% of kids you knew ever got to experience. - Where you just wanna press the button. - That was almost a bragging right as a kid. I feel being like, "Yeah, I've pressed this button before." And be like, "Whoa, how was it?"

- Of course, it's like pressing any button. - 'Cause I don't know what the emergency buttons or the fire alarm buttons you had in your school, but in like British school or my school, we had like this, it wasn't a button, it was like a very thin piece of glass that you had to break. And I always wondered, what does it feel like to break that piece of glass? Like, I just wanna know. I just wanna know what happens when I break that piece of glass. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like, what does it feel like? Like, does it hurt? Is it hard? - Like, how thin is it? How much force would it take to press this button?

- I do think, you know when you're on a bus sometimes and you see that little puny little hammer? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There'll be like this giant window and there'll be this tiny little like, it looks like a little pick, an ice pick. - That's another one. Every time I came back from school and I saw that little hammer, I was like,

- I wanna use that. - Yeah, because I think what happens is when you literally, that thing like touches the thing, it just shatters. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I was on a bus one time when the windows exploded. - Really? - Really? - Yeah, so what happened was is I was in near the back of the bus and it was in university and it was a varsity event. So they drove the bus to the like one hour university over from Swansea to Cardiff. - Yeah.

when we were on our way back, the bus drive went down the wrong route. Now, as you probably are aware, roads in the UK, if you don't go on the right one with a bus, it's way too narrow. - Yeah, right. - So what happened was is that he went down the wrong road and he had to turn around, but it was like a, like the road was like this, right? It's like a three point like. So he went down this way. And so he backed it up the hill to try and turn around. And as he was trying to swing the bus back round,

the house that was in like the end of this road had like a pointing out like a thing on the edge of their property, like a tile. And so as the bus is turning, you could see, I saw, 'cause I was sitting here like on this side and that was the side where the window was. You could just see this thing coming. And I think they were like started screaming when they saw it 'cause it was getting real close and it just went.

and just exploded the window. - Wow. - Oh my God. - Yeah, yeah. And then the guy obviously heard the fucking shatter and was like, oh, so he backed up, goes to try it again. Boom, other window goes.

and there's class everywhere. - Wait, was that like near any of the students or? - Yeah, but they all ran to the other side. - Oh, fuck yeah. - So like, it was terrifying. And then the bus driver didn't stop or anything. He just like- - I'm gonna try this again. - He smashed, I think in total three of the big ass windows on the side of the bus and then just drove back like normal. I'm sitting here like glass everywhere like,

- What do I do? - Did the glass explode on someone? - Yeah, but the thing is right, the windows when the, it's car windows do this as well. When they smash, they're meant to, they're like the way they're made, the window smash into like non-sharp. - They're like blunt little bits. - Little like balls. So they don't like cut anyone. - It's still scary. - It was fucking terrifying. - It's what happens afterwards.

- What happened was is that we just drove the last 20 minutes with no windows on the side. And then we got off and everyone was like, what the fuck? And we all went and was like, what the fuck just happened? And I'm sure that guy lost his job. - Oh yeah, probably. - No idea what happened. University never said anything. We didn't hear anything. - How old were you guys? - I was like 20. - Oh, okay. - So this was like a university bus. - This was my third year of university. And I was like, what the fuck?

- What the fuck? I just went on with my day. I was like, all right, that was weird. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah. Never heard anything about that. Felt like I deserved an apology for having a flash in my face. - Was it loud?

- Oh yes, you ever heard glass explode? - No, I haven't. I have heard like the probably the loudest sound I ever heard was, have you guys ever had like lightning strikes like hit really close to where you were? - No, actually no. - Really? - Like you could feel the shock wave at that point. - So I had one moment where like I legitimately thought I was gonna die. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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but it was in high school and like our, the front part of our school has this like big courtyard looking thing and it's kind of on an uphill climb. So if you're standing like right at the top of the hill and look, you can basically look across the entirety of the school, which is kind of cool. So then me and my couple of my friends were there and it was like very lightly rainy and you can hear thunder off in the distance, but it wasn't like a thunderstorm, right? So everybody was outside just kind of chilling. And we had this like one,

really massive pine tree. I want to say it's maybe like, you know, 15, 20 meter tall pine tree. It's huge. Just like on the other side of the school. Right. And,

I was looking at it for some reason, just kind of like waiting for the bus. - What a beautiful pine. - Yeah, no, no, because it's so massive that it basically just fills up your entire view. And then all of a sudden it was just this like flash of white and this, the largest fucking crashing sound I've ever fucking heard. And what turned out was a lightning bolt had struck that pine tree. And that pine tree was probably only about like 20 meters away from me. - Oh wow.

But it was fucking massive. And it was crazy as well because like we're at the top of the hill so you can see all the other students across the courtyard and everybody simultaneously was like,

- Obviously, I think I shit myself. - But it was so weird because that entire crash happened and for like 20 seconds, the entire courtyard was just silent. And we're kind of just like standing around and then fucking seventh grade kids whose balls haven't dropped you, it was suddenly like, "Ah!" - Just go fucking shell shocked with your PTSD. - It was just this fucking panic across the school.

All the teachers like shitting themselves. The tree was on fire. - Yeah. - So like straight up, it was just like a fire, like this 20 meter tall pine tree was just on fire. - God damn. - Satanic shit. - But it was crazy because it was like, from I'd say between a five minute span, oh sorry, five second span, it went from beautiful large pine tree to just a burning 20 meter long.

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- So get Honey for free right now at joinhoney.com/trashtaste. That's joinhoney.com/trashtaste. - Back to the episode. - It really was scary. I mean, again, like that was probably, I thought I was gonna go deaf 'cause it was so fucking loud. It was insanely loud. The other loudest sound I've ever heard was- - Clap my ass cheeks. - Yeah, that too, of course. You can't escape from me, Snake.

- The other one was we were playing cricket. - Of course, as the Aussie. - Give me some anime shit. - We were playing cricket and have you ever felt like how hard a cricket ball is? - Yes. - Yeah. - That thing is fucking hard. It's like a rock basically. - Yeah, it's solid too. - Yeah, it is a solid piece of whatever it is. But we were playing cricket in school and I was in the outfield and one of the kids like kind of smacked it really, really high up into the air.

and it was going towards one of my friends and he was underneath, he was ready to catch it. He's like, "Come on, catch it, catch it, catch it." But I think he mistimed it because the sun was in his eyes or something. So the cricket ball landed right on his forehead. - Oh God. - And the only way I can describe this sound was as if someone in the distance had slapped two pieces of wood together.

It was just like this clack sound. And the kid just dropped to the floor. We straight up thought he died. - That shit is hard bro. - Was that like the fucking Mortal Kombat moment where you know, like the fucking skull just explodes. - The skull just explodes. - It's like a fucking fatality right there. - Honestly because it went crack on his forehead and he literally just dropped to the floor.

- Is he okay? - He was fine. Like he had like a massive bruise on his head, but he- - Man, this man's got a dummy thick skull. - Yeah, yeah. - We straight up thought he died. We're like, oh my God. - The hardest I ever hit my head, this is gonna be a strange story. So I was in sex ed. - Okay. - Let me tell the story, all right? So we were in, it was our, I think second or third class of sex education, right? So you know how it is. Teachers wanna seem cool. - How old are you at this point? - Like 13.

So the teacher's like, "We wanna seem cool." This one, you have to sit on the tables and watch the video. I don't know why, is it a universal rule where the tables in the science class are taller than the ones in the other classes? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You have that as well? - Yeah, 'cause you have like stools. - Yeah, it's like stools, like large, right? So it's a pretty large table and we're sitting on it.

- And so we were watching this, you know, and we were all on the tables, all sitting together, you know, with the boys watching the sex episode. And the girls obviously. So, and on this day, I decided that I was going to forego breakfast. I thought, I don't need a breakfast. I'm a king. I'm gonna go to my sex education mother and I'm gonna watch it. And I don't need no breakfast.

So I was feeling a little queasy, but I was like, "It's okay, it's okay." - You're feeling queasy watching the video? - I was feeling queasy before, and then I felt even more queasy hearing about this stuff. Because I was 13, they were like, "Yeah, so goo comes out of the woman's thing." And I'm like, "Oh." Right, so I'm sitting there, and I'm like, "All right, okay, okay." And then I'm suddenly like, I just start feeling like, "Oh, whoa, stuff's getting blurry."

And then I fall on my friend next to me, right? And my friend thinks classic Connor, classic Connor fucking around. So he just shoves me off. And so I go from this like pretty high tall table, like I fell on my friend. I just donk my head on this like pure like concrete floor.

And I wake up and I come to, and I just hear like screaming and I'm like, what the fuck? And I look around and all the kids have like ran to the other side of the room. And I'm just waiting here like, what the fuck's going on? I can't see shit. Like, 'cause my eyes are so blurry. So I hit my head so hard and I'm like, oh, what's going on? I'm literally, I remember I sit up and I'm like, what's happening? - You literally fainted from a sex ed?

I got so much shit for it as well, obviously. - That's such an anime moment. - Yeah, right. Yeah. And obviously in school I was like, "Ah, Cornel Phoenix, you saw a dick." That's when I started fighting. I'm kidding. And so I couldn't see for like two hours. My vision was blurry and I was like, "Fuck, am I blind?" But then luckily it came through and I think I was just very heavily concussed. - You're blinded by the dick. - I got blinded by, they were showing Johnny Sims' first word. - It's like, "Oh God!"

- That's like a death sentence in school, man. - No, it was okay. - So now you know not to skip breakfast. - Yeah, that was my bad 'cause I often felt pretty fucking sick all the time. So yeah, that was my bad. - And the dick just didn't help. - Hearing all this stuff at that age, I was like, fuck, that sounds disgusting. I hate like slime and goo so much. So hearing it come out of like body parts makes me feel so gross.

- It's the way they phrase it too, right? Because the only thing I remember from my sex education thing, 'cause I think I was like 11 or 12 when I did the first sex education thing. So already it's like, ugh, for a lot of kids. But like the only thing I remember they taught us, which is, the only reason I remember is because it's so fucking weird to this day, but it was,

- Dead ass the first thing the sex education teacher said, it was like, "Okay, everybody get your index finger and put it on the inside of your mouth and feel your cheeks." And I was like, "Okay." And that's like, "That's what the inside of a vagina feels like." - That's so gross. - And all the girls are like, "Oh." And all the guys are like, "Oh, hell yeah."

- No, no, no, this is in elementary school. - Yeah, but like it was, that's the only thing I remember from 6ix. - I just don't remember what it was that like set me off. And it was like, I don't know why the fuck they showed this. But they were talking about, I know this is way too much information. So here's a timestamp on screen where we skip talking about this stuff. So go and search it. Malien's gonna like leave the room. So they were talking about,

- Discharge girls, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it wasn't enough to just talk about it. They had this like reenactment of this girl who goes to the toilet and they dead ass do a closeup shot of like white shit on her pants. And I'm like, that's disgusting. Why would you show that?

- I was like 13. That's what like made me feel gross. - Did you have to watch the obligatory like woman giving birth? - Yeah, I was gonna talk about that 'cause I swear to God, whoever was like editing- - That was on a British TV there as well. They showed births. - You serious? - Yeah, there was a whole TV show. - But you had like specialist videos that schools like bought to show sex. - Fucking awful, they're so graphic. - Yeah, and I mean,

- The person who edited like our video, they must've known what they were doing, right? Because they, okay, so this guy- - They were fucking with us, 100%. - This old British guy was basically describing the process of a baby coming out of a vagina, right? And so what they used to describe what happens, the process of this happening, is they take a rubber band, right? He takes a rubber band and just like, he just goes, "Imagine this."

this is the whole vagina, right? This is what happened when a baby comes out and he literally stretches it like that. And then the class goes, "Oh!" And I assure you not, they then hard cut to like a baby that's just like crowning and just like coming out.

And I'm just like, think back to that moment. And I'm just like, I think back to that moment. I'm just like the fucking editor knew what he was doing there. - It's not even like a cross dissolve. It's just a hard cut. - Just a straight up hard cut. He knew exactly what he was doing. - It's just like one of those like, you know, there's like whooshes in like that. It's just a fucking baby's head.

- God, they were so disgusting. I mean, obviously I'm glad that I was taught this stuff, but at the same time, did they got up go in so goddamn hard on that shit that it eases in? - It was brutal. No one enjoyed it.

- No, no, no. - No one was like, "Oh, this is interesting." Everyone's like, "No, what's, oh fuck." - I feel like it's a thing that does need to happen though. - Yeah, obviously. I'm glad that I taught it 'cause you speak to Americans and sometimes they're like, "I have no sex education at all." - Yeah, I mean, Sydney learned her sex education through hentai and I mean- - That's boring. - That is boring. - And it's like, what is it? A lot of the states, they just say, "Oh, abstinence.

- Wait till marriage. That's legitimately like, I think of many of the states. - I think it depends on the state. - Is it all mandatory and stuff? - No. - Oh really? - In many states, the only set education is abstinence, promote abstinence. - Yeah. So like Christian school. So it's not like, I think in England you have to do it, but you have to teach it by law, right? - Yeah, so every like age 13 gets taught like how to put up

put on a condom, how to do all that shit. - How did you get taught? Did you get like the fucking banana? - No, it was so embarrassing. This woman, right? She was like, have you seen Matilda in that movie? - Yeah. - Like what's that woman called? The like the devil teacher in that. - I can't remember. - Literally woman looked like that. Dead ass.

took out this like fucking 12 inch dildo, smacked it on the table. And she was like, "Who wants to put a condom on this? "Who wants to try?" And then everyone was like, "What the fuck? "Why is it so big?"

- It was massive. It was huge. - I got this from my own collection. - That was why I like that. I remember that I went home that day and I'm like, what is average dick size? 'Cause I was like, that cannot be normal. That is 12 inches. That is just, and the girth of it was ridiculous. That was clearly her own personal one that she brought in. - Yeah, had to have been. - Jesus Christ. - Yeah, I had to do the banana. - Yeah, I thought that was just industry standard. - No, she brought it.

Maybe there was a banana and she was like, "No, I'm gonna bring my own." - Let me just bring my Anne Summers fucking pussy collection. - Dragon dildo. - 'Cause I think what happened was they ended up teaching it like, we had so much of it 'cause where I grew up was the worst place in the UK for teen pregnancies. There's so many that happened where I grew up. And it was, yeah, obviously, the government was like, "Hey guys, we know you're gonna do it. "Just please, please don't have babies."

- Yeah, yeah. - Do it properly at the right time. - Remember like a few weeks ago when I was talking about how my mom told me that babies came out of the belly button? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - She watched the episode and she messaged me the day afterwards reminding me that actually my very first sex ed class, which was in primary school, I can't remember how old I was. - Did I have sex ed in primary? I don't think so. - I think I had like a very early sex ed. It wasn't like, I had,

during my entire childhood, I think. And it just like every sex had got like progressively more graphic. Like the older you get, which is how it should be. But she reminded me that the first time I learned that babies didn't come out of the belly button and came out of the vagina, I dead ass didn't believe them. - You're like, no, good joke. - I came home and I remember, 'cause I remember,

I remember this so vividly because I remember the very first time I tried lying to my mom. And it was like such an innocent little kid lie where I went to the toilet and I didn't wash my hands. And she asked me if I washed my hands and I said, yes. That was the first time I attempted a lie in my life. It's like the most vanilla lie.

And she was like, "Let me smell your hands." - Oh my God. - "Let me smell your hands." And I'm like, "Oh shit." But the first time I tried lying, I got caught. So that was embedded in me from like a very early age. Just like people don't lie 'cause people get caught when they lie. - Let me smell your hands. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, so you believed your mom. - Yeah, so my mom's like, "All right."

I won't punish you this time, but let's just make a promise that we're just not going to lie to each other ever. And I like me bright eyed, like five year old. I believed her until like I hit teenagehood. So I go to this class and people were, and the teachers were telling us how babies came out of the vagina. And I'm just like,

- Actually, Miss, I believe that they actually come out of the belly button. I know this, my mom taught me. - Oh no. - And she was trying to tell me, no, they come out down there, your mom. - I'm sorry, your mother is a liar. - I'm sorry, your mom is wrong. So, you know, me being like the eight or 10 year old, I'm like, okay, there are two adults in my life that have said two different pieces of information. I go back to my home, I go back home and I tell my mom,

- Mom, the teacher taught me this. She said you are a liar, but you know what? You promised me that we wouldn't lie to each other. So I believe you. - Oh no. - I believe you, mother.

- No. - I know that babies come out of the belly button and she's just like. - Yikes. - Yeah, she just reminded me that that was a thing. I can't actually remember when I realized that babies didn't come out of the belly button. Master just blanked that out. - That's so good. - Yes, thank you mother for lying to me from a young age. I know you're a liar now. - I remember one time I had like a bit of hair sticking up

And for some reason, when I put like water in it, it didn't go down. And I was like, fuck, that's real fucking annoying. And I'm like 10 years old and I'm like, I'm just gonna cut it. It's in the way 'cause it wouldn't go down. So I cut like a chunk of my hair out and then I was like, Connor, did you cut your hair? I'm like, no, no, of course I didn't cut my hair. He's like, there's a piece missing. I'm like, I think it got trapped in the door is what I said.

She's like, "So you're telling me that it got stuck in the door with enough force that it pulled your hair out?" And I was like, "Of course." And so she's like, "Let's try it again." And I'm like, "Oh no." I've never prayed for more in my life that my hair gets ripped out. So we go to the door, the hinge. She's like, first of all, she's like, "How did you get your head in the hinge at the end?" And I'm like, "I have no idea, brother."

So I put my hair in the door and I close it. And of course no hair falls out. And she's like, "What happened Connor?" And she's like, "Okay, mom, I cut it 'cause it was annoying me." She's like, "Why did you do that?" She's like, "I don't know, it didn't go down with water. That's what I normally do." And she's like, "Well, you didn't need to do that." And I'm like, "Oh, okay, okay, shit." - Mine started earlier when I was like still in like nappies and stuff like that, right? - Oh really? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, 'cause I had this really,

for some reason I had the fear of sitting on the toilet for some reason, like, because I think what it was was because I think I was like two or three is all right. It's like the last stage of you still wearing nappies. Right. And like, I really hated taking a shit.

Like I was really scared. And I think it's because I think my mom explained it to me later. She was like, "I think you were scared not to like actually sit on the toilet, but to like flush the toilet because you thought you were gonna get sucked in as well." - We're not gonna lie, those are airplane toilets. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the airplane toilet fear. And I thought that same force was in my home toilet as well. - I had the same force.

I just fucking remembered this. And it came from an airplane. 'Cause you know when you flush the airplane, it feels like you're gonna get like sucked into oblivion. - When I was like 10, what I would do is I would like, fucking close the door. 'Cause you had like two seconds, you press the button and it goes two seconds. Yeah, yeah, so you have like two seconds to get out. - So I thought I had that in my home toilet. So at that point, so two, three year old me was just like, I figured out a resolution. Just don't shit.

Just don't, I'm wearing nappies. - Isn't that like a South Park? - I'm wearing nappies, just don't shit. But like, you know, at that stage as well, I was like, I was too embarrassed to admit to my parents that I literally just shat in my nappies. So what I would do is like, I would hide behind the couch and kind of just like subtly do it behind the couch.

while my parents weren't looking. And my mom would like walk into the living room and be like, Joey, what are you doing? - I would try and get a refund on the kid if they were doing that. - It's like, Joey, what are you doing? And I'm just like, nothing. And she's like, you're pooping, aren't you? And I'm like, no. Meanwhile my face is straining like.

And my mom's like, "I can literally smell the shit right here. What are you talking about?"

Go to the fucking toilet. And I would literally do that for like the longest time until like finally, you know, you get to the stage where you have to get out of nappies, right? And so I'm just like, for the first, like, I think like- - You prolonged that as much as you could. - For the first like two or three months out of nappies, I dreaded having to take a shit. I'm like, oh, I had to like psych myself up being like, all right, I'm not gonna get sucked in today. You can do it.

It was horrible. - Honestly, I still have a fear of going to the toilet on airplanes just because of that noise. - I don't mind, it's just not pleasant. - It's not pleasant, yeah. - It's like, I just get like a small fucking flashback every time I hear that noise. I need to wear like fucking thick headphones every time I go, man. I'm turning that music up loud. - That's what noise canceling headphones were invented for. - Yeah, exactly.

- I feel like, 'cause you were saying that you didn't, you'd never like lie. Were you never lying like your whole life up to like 14 or whatever? Like when did you start like you realized you could lie? - I think it was when I realized my parents lied to me.

I'm just like, I can't believe they bamboozled me like this. - I just realized that I was like, oh, I probably started to like lie a lot more for younger age 'cause I had brothers. - Yeah. - Right. - 'Cause like you can't lie to your parents 'cause they're your parents, right? They own you. - Yeah. - You don't get to like talk back. - Yeah, 'cause I didn't lie to my fucking parents. Like I said, like I got caught the first time I attempted this.

- After that, I was like, this is a loser's game. I'm gonna lose when I try. - For me, it was like when you'd like go visit a friend or something and you'd like, you know, the friend would be like, oh, you know, I'm just gonna say to my parents that we're here to do homework or whatever, but you know, we'll just go to my room and play games. And I was like, nah, that's not gonna work. My parents would immediately see through that shit. And I would see my friend doing being like, yeah, we're just gonna do homework. And the parents like, okay. I'm just like, you can do that? Oh my God.

- I'm gonna do that from now on. - Yeah, I think 'cause when you have like siblings, it's like, I don't know, I feel like you end up having to lie 'cause you're always fucking fighting and talking. - But like I was such a terrible thing 'cause you have older brothers, right? - Yeah. - Yeah, see, 'cause I was the oldest in the family. So I had to like teach my sister to be like, listen, you can lie to the parents.

- I've seen it happen, I've done it before. - Oh my God, thank you brother. Parents hate this one trick that people know. - Oh my God. - So bizarre. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I didn't like, to me learning I could lie or learning that people lie was like watching that one life hack YouTube video that was literally an actual life hack. That was actually a literal high life hack. - Oh my God.

- I feel like that's why some people are just like so bad at lying because sometimes you play a game of among us. You can tell who the good lies from the bad lies are. I think I've always had this fear like ingrained to me from a kid that I shouldn't lie. And even as an adult, I have a harder time lying than some other people.

- That's why I hate playing games like Among Us and like Werewolf and shit like that. 'Cause I just can't lie. - Yeah, but isn't it a fun place to just like, you know, just to have like a safe space where you can all just fucking lie and laugh at each other. - No, because I'm like, I can't trust any of you motherfuckers. Like after this game is over, like I don't think I'll be able to believe anything you say. - 'Cause it's fun, right? 'Cause it's like, you get to experience what it'd be like being interrogated if you committed like murder or something. - Why was that fun? - I don't know, it's fun seeing if you can like, if you can bullshit your way out of it.

- But you can never bullshit your way out of it. We should know this. - Sometimes. - That's why it's fun to watch interrogation videos rather than actually be interrogated myself. - I'm glad I'm not that guy right now. - It's like the reason why I watch league esports rather than actually wanting to play league myself. It's funny to watch other people go through pain rather than experience it myself. That was a really weird tangent, but that's the closest comparison I could think of. - I like seeing people suffer, not me. - Yeah, pretty much. - I mean, who doesn't?

- I think the reason why Among Us did so good is 'cause it did give a thing where you can be like, "Hey man, there's not many games out there "where you can just lie." And that's the whole game is lying and deceiving. And that's fun to get to do that and blow off some steam doing that. - I mean, I definitely do enjoy it. I've played plenty of games of Werewolf. Well, I really enjoyed that. Among Us, I just didn't get to play enough games to really get used to it.

'Cause I was still at the stage where they asked me what I was doing. I was like, I don't know what to ask. - I'm following the map. I don't know what the fuck is going on. - I like those games. It was fun when you would like realize after like one or two rounds, you're like, I know who the good liar is. Gotta take them out. So they didn't get to lie. - I'd say I never got to that stage because in my head, I'm just like,

how am I gonna bullshit my way out of this? - By the time I had started playing Among Us, there was already a fucking meta. - It's like, what task were you doing and so and so, okay, I know you're innocent. - I just felt I was getting smurfed on. - I really enjoyed it, but I think after the first two weeks, the novelty really wore off on me. But obviously it didn't on YouTube, 'cause it was like, you had like four or five months. - Entire careers were created from that game. - Yeah, I haven't seen anything blow up that much in a long time. It's kind of crazy.

I don't know. - I mean, it really, I feel like I started watching Twitch content way more after Among Us and Fall Guys really took off last year. And before that I hardly had watched any Twitch streamers at all. And the only live streamers I watched was like VTubers back then, but that was mostly on YouTube.

So it kind of really, I feel like, I don't know if it's just me, but I like Twitch streamers like way bigger personalities than they were in 2019. I don't know if that's just my perspective, but I definitely see a lot, I definitely see a lot more Twitch people now. - I think at least,

Probably because we're on YouTube, right? And I think what has happened is that Twitch streamers, their content that's being put on YouTube is doing much better than before. I think it's, you know, before the biggest channels, you know, would get, you know, maybe 100,000, 200,000 views with their videos they uploaded. But, you know, now the Among Us clips are getting like five, six, seven, 12, you know,

million views and it's like, wow, that is nuts. - Well, I think it's because I still don't watch as much Twitch, but I see so many clips on my recommended and on my YouTube feed that I can't not see it now. And I'm way more aware of what's going on, even though I'd hardly actually watched Twitch.

- Yeah, I don't know. I'm really enjoying it right now. I really enjoy streaming so much. I don't know. - You're playing like apex every day. - Yeah, I'm addicted to apex man, so much. - You found your new addiction? - Yeah, I have. - You're just gonna end up being like an apex streamer. - Probably, I basically am at some point. I don't know. I feel like, 'cause right now what it is is that I just wanna play this game and I'm just like, I just happened to put the stream on as well.

- Yeah, see like I can't do that because like my not stream gaming mode and my stream gaming mode is like completely different. - I agree. - In my head I'm just like, if I'm not constantly commentating while I'm streaming, then I'm gonna look boring. Whereas if I'm off stream, I am fucking silent for six hours. - Yeah, me too, me too. - I mean like,

when you're getting films, I had to like really force like comments out of myself. But that's how I feel with Twitch as well. Where sometimes I'm playing a game in Twitch mode, sometimes I feel like I have to force myself to say something. This isn't like my natural default self.

- I don't think that's normal though. Like no one normally just talks while they're playing video games themselves. That's something that you actively learn to do. - I feel like sometimes you think at least, right? Or you, I don't know. - Actually in some video games, I don't even like, I don't verbalize any of my thoughts even in like mentally. 'Cause you know you can like mentally verbalize your thoughts. I don't even do that. I'm just like, I'm playing the game and it's just all like instincts. - I only got used to it because I used to do Let's Plays on my channel. But like before that, like my first couple- - I thought you did Let's Plays.

- Yeah, my first couple of Let's Plays, I was fucking boring as hell just 'cause I was at that stage where I was like, okay, I have to say something. I can't just like keep advancing with the game silently because I'm on camera. But as I did it for like fucking three years or however long it was, I just kind of learned to be like, here's something I can say, here's something I can say to the point where I found myself sometimes in my non-recording gaming sessions commenting to myself

And I'm just like, oh no, this is a problem. It's like 2:00 AM and I'm playing Final Fantasy 13 and I'm commenting to myself. - Are you streaming, Sherry? No, why? - No, I was like, my parents, no, 'cause I was still living with my parents back in the time. And so my parents would come in being like, who are you talking to?

- Oh my God, who am I talking to? There's no camera rolling. I'm not recording this. - Yeah, my parents thought I was, 'cause I was always on Xbox voice chat talking to people. They thought when I started voice acting, they were like, "Oh, Connor's just talking to his friends on Xbox."

So they didn't know what I was doing. - He's just talking in funny voices. - Why is he saying the same thing over and over again? Doing different inflections. That's really fucking weird. Oh, nevermind. He's probably playing Xbox. Connor's a weird one. - Got some weird hobbies, right? - Yeah, I mean, I think my parents definitely, when I was a kid, they saw me as like the weird kid of like the four. They were like, "He's the strange one." But normally things work out in the end.

- He'll find his way. - Yeah, that's normally the way it was. - I mean, like growing up, I do, sometimes I do wish that I did have brothers and sisters. 'Cause I feel like, I don't know how you guys feel about your siblings, but I feel like there's nothing that can- - I wouldn't wanna be raised without brothers or sisters, I think. Now that I've had them, I just couldn't imagine not being raised with siblings. - Yeah, same. - I don't know. - Yeah, I can't imagine just having to share everything though. That's- - Well, you don't have to.

- That's why how you learn to lie. Although I did have to share my Xbox and that was horrible. We'd have to like swap every hour. And I'm like, I can't even get a good gaming session in here for now. Are you kidding me? - I mean, that's why I'm glad like the first like game console we got was Game Boy Advances. 'Cause we had one each. - That was the first Game Boy, that was the first console you got? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, like any console that we could actually share, right? Or wasn't like a two player thing. 'Cause we had like the N64 and stuff like that too. But if you have two controllers, you can play together.

Can't quite do that on a handheld console. - True, true. - So it was fucking fun. Sometimes I'd want to get on the N64, play a one player game, like fucking Donkey Kong 64 or Super Mario 64 or something. You can't play that with my sister. So I'm just like, fuck, what do we do? We'll just get a handheld console and just play whatever the fuck games we want together. Problem solved. - Man, I miss being fucking stupid as a kid.

- I do because- - I had this thought the other day. I miss how simple it was just to like find happiness in something. - Right, so my first game- - Getting real deep here. - So my first game console or game device was a Game Boy Color. - Okay. - Right? And my parents bought it for me in France and they were like, "What game do you want?" I'm like, "Pokemon." I didn't know at the time.

So it turns out the game was in French, obviously, so we were in France, but somehow still managed to complete the whole thing when I was like eight or something. And I'm like,

I would not have the patience to fucking do that now. - No, no. - I don't know what the fuck was going on. I don't know what any of the moves did, but I think like eight year old me had just understood that this set of letters did this funny thing that did a lot of damage. 'Cause I had just been playing it so much. So I think by the time I got to the elite four, I think nearly all my Pokemon were level 100. - Oh my God. - It was literally just trial by fire, right? - It was literally just grinding. And I'm like, how the fuck did I do that? I'm so dumb.

I wish being that dumb where I could just throw myself at something like that. - Yeah, like I remember, 'cause I also, I mean, I got the Game Boy Advance, but the first couple of games I got were Game Boy Color games because you could play the Game Boy Color games in the Game Boy Advance, which I was like, oh my God, technology. But yeah, I remember like,

- The part where I think about it now where it's like, I definitely had too much time as a kid that I could not sink into my adulthood was when I managed to, on my Pokemon Sapphire cartridge, I played it so much that I maxed out the in-time clock. - Oh my God. - I found out that on Pokemon Sapphire on Game Boy Advance- - Is it 1000 hours? - Yeah, 999 hours and 99 minutes is the furthest it will go. - Did you just leave this thing on 24/7? - No, that's how much I played it.

- I see it, man. When you're a kid, you just get obsessed. - Every moment, because especially the Game Boy Advance, like looking back on it now, this thing's fucking tiny. You could put that in like jeans pocket or like a jacket pocket, take it everywhere. - The best one, 'cause I think it was literally on Wheel Kids, was the Game Boy Advance SP.

- Oh, that was so good. - Only the cool rich kids had that one. - Bro, the SP was like the best one. 'Cause that shit like, it would literally fit in your like, your tiny child jeans. It was amazing. - I remember one of my Japanese friends brought it to school once and he was like, "Boys."

- Check this out. - It was like, whoa! And everyone's like, and? It's got a backlight on it. It was like, whoa! - That was the- - You can play that at night! - Oh yeah, the backlight. - I completely forgot that was a massive thing. - The SP was the first one that had a backlight. Before then you had to attach those fucking reading lamps. - The fucking reading lights that had the awful glare. - I think actually the first model of the SP didn't have a backlight. It was like the second model. - Oh really?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But I had an SP and I got one 'cause my friend got one and I saw him playing it and for like Christmas, I was like, "Mom, I want nothing more than a Game Boy France SP." And you know what game I played the most on it? Fucking GBA game. I played Pokemon trading card game. Have you played that game on Game Boy? - Yeah, yeah. - It's so good. - It's fucking great. - Yeah, I mean, I remember like, oh, go ahead. - Sorry, I had a finalization to this story.

- One time I thought, I was so addicted to this thing, I would literally walk around the house with it. I would sleep with it. - Oh yeah, of course. - If I was walking down the stairs, I would play Game Boy walking down the stairs. If I was at the dinner table, I'd be there. If I was gonna bed, I'd play it. I would even, if I went to pee, I would play with it. So I would pee with it.

- One time I dropped it down the toilet. - No! - Not sure how it happened. I was playing Pokemon trading card game. That was the cartridge that was in there. I was playing it whilst peeing. You know, you're like 12, you're a little dicks out. You're like, "All right, cool." I don't know how I dropped it. I dropped it and I was like,

"How do I explain this to my mom? "How do I tell that I don't have a Game Boy SP anymore?" And yeah, it didn't work. - Did you lie? - No, 'cause it smelled of piss as well. For some reason I checked if the Pokemon trading card game still worked. - Of course. - So I plugged it into the old Game Boy car I had. But yeah, so I had to go to my mom. I was like, "Mom, so this is kind of embarrassing.

I dropped my Game Boy down the toilet. And she was like, "How did you drop your Game Boy down the fucking toilet?" And I'm like, "I don't know, I just really enjoy playing it." And my family fucking rinsed me for like five years. - Yeah, if that was my kid, I'd fucking rinse him too. - Do you know how expensive a Game Boy Advance SP is at that age? - Yeah, but they loved it purely for the comedic purposes. Every time we'd meet someone, they're like,

This is Callum, he's very successful, very smart. This is Connor, he dropped his Game Boy down the fucking toilet. And I was so sad for like four months. I was literally every window, I was like,

- Did you ever get another one? - I did six months later for my birthday. I was like- - Wow, really? - Yeah, literally I remember like for six months I was like playing Game Boy Color again. Just playing Pokemon trading card game and other shitty Game Boy. - Your parents are nice, man. If I did that, my parents would never buy me a game cartridge. - I think they felt so bad for me because of how like distraught I was. And I think they thought I was gonna get over it, but I was sad for like half a year.

- It's like dropping a laptop down the toilet. - I could not get over it. And I think my parents at some point were like, all right, I think we should get him another one. Or maybe he's like not gonna recover. Maybe he's never gonna let this go. And I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have let this go. - Yeah, because like for me, Game Boys were the only game console or like handheld consoles that I could actually get every game I wanted. And that's because every year we'd visit our family in Thailand and

There's always like that one store that my parents would take me to and it wasn't a legit Nintendo store.

- Really? - I don't know if you could tell, but you basically go in the store and they didn't have the game cartridges. They would just have just the book. And you'd go through this book and you tell these people which games you wanted. So like my entire life, I would have to wait like a fucking like one year to get two games. One was for Christmas and one's my birthday. And that was like the N64.

Game Boy was like, this was like the early Steam sale. - It's like the humble bundle. - It's free real estate. - Yeah, I would just go, I would just come in every year and be like, motherfucker, I'm about to buy 15 games for like 10 bucks or something like that. I felt good. - You don't like the Chad, like fucking like, I'll take everything from here to here please.

It was such a good childhood experience. Just to sit down and just, I would be there for about two hours and they would like, every game would have a different code. I would fill up this like A4 piece of paper with just codes. I'm like, "Mother, give me all these games." And I wouldn't even play all the games. - Oh yeah, of course. - But it just felt good buying them. I felt rich for once. - It's because there was so many, I don't know what it was about the Game Boy Advance where it was like,

- Didn't know there was a game with that, but there is on the Game Boy Advance. - Yeah. I used to trade games with the other kids. - Oh yeah, I did that too. - Just the games that I was done with like Scooby-Doo Adventure. I'd be like, well, I'm pretty okay. - If we go back to the lying thing, I've lied to one of my friends

- No, what did you, why? - So I had this fucking like Mickey Mouse game on Game Boy Advance, which I fucking hated. I don't know where I got it. - Did you hustle some kid? Did you hustle some 12 year old? - I don't know where I got it from. I think I got it from like a cousin's hand-me-down or something, right? But it was like, it was in that bundle of like two or three like shitty, like not known IP, why does this exist type of Game Boy Advance games that you get.

And one of them was this Mickey Mouse like fucking platformer game. I don't even remember what the fuck it was. But yeah, I was in school and my friend was like, "Oh, I got the new, this is when Emerald came out."

So I had Ruby and Sapphire at the time, right? But I didn't have Emerald. And I was like, I really wanna play it. - No, no. - So I was like, and his friend, my friend wanted like to play this other, like, I don't remember if it was a Pokemon game or a Mario game or something, like one of the mainline games. He's like, I really wanna play this. And I said, yeah, I got that game.

- No. - So what I did was I had, the thing is I did have the game, but I didn't want to give it to him. But I had the box for it. - No. - So I did a fucking, I fucking debated him and I slipped the Mickey Mouse game into the Mario box. And I was like, here you go, mate, in box. Don't have to check it now. You can check it when you get home, mate.

and I took the Emerald from him and I still have that Emerald cartridge to this day. - Wait, did his mom not call your mom up? Or be like, "What the fuck, your kid scammed my kid." - I don't know, maybe he really liked the Mickey Mouse game. I don't know.

- 'Cause in the UK there was these, like, you'd have like footballer cards. - Yeah. - Right. - Right, right, right. - Like fantasy football cards. - Yeah, 'cause I have Ronaldinho, right? I don't know who was good. I didn't care about football. I just wanted the best stuff. 'Cause I was like, it's a game, I want the best. And I was a real hustler, man. I would do deals. I'd be like that stock broker being like, I can give you this, I can give you that. Maybe, I don't know.

And one time I remember I was really annoyed 'cause this one kid, he did a really stupid trade with me. I was like, "Sucks to be you, man." He gave me like one Aldino for like some two players that were terrible. And I was like, "Profit, skunks." And I went home, right? I thought, "Great, I'm looking at my collection of cards. "This is amazing. "I've done such great business today." I was literally like Trump out of the deal at school. You know, making good trades.

I'm just chilling at home, you know, admiring my collection. And my mum comes in being like, Connor, what have you done? I'm like, what have I done? It's like, Tim's mum has called up. She's furious. Apparently you stole a card from him. Like, I didn't steal a card from Tim. Tim's a fucking liar. Tim gave me Ronaldinho, but two of these shitty players. She's like, really? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, get him on the phone. I'll tell him what happened. And so I'm arguing with him and he's like crying on the phone being like, that wasn't a,

You scammed me. I'm like, I didn't scam you. I don't know who's good. I just saw that this guy was shiny and you gave it to me. And then I got fucking, I had to apologize and give it back 'cause he made a dumb trade. I'm like, that kid got lucky. - That doesn't happen in the real world. - I'm like, in the real world, that guy never would've got his money back. He deserved to take the L back. I was so pissed off. I was like, mom, you interfered in my negotiations.

Do you know how irresponsible that is? That kid should have learned the hard way that he made a bad trade. - Your mom literally did like a CIA drug bust. - I was like, dun dun dun, over the door. - Even like 12 year old me is like, I think he should deal with the consequences of this bad deal. - He agreed to it. - He should learn now that this shit hurts when you make a bad deal. - He needs to learn a valuable lesson. - Yeah, he learned the hard way

- Clearly his mom is coddling him too much and helping him. What is this like the fucking Melvin Capitals, like the fucking, the stock trade, what's the American stock trade? Like people who watch the things we know. Game stops getting out of hand. We have to stop this. No, no, no. They literally did that to me. This is fucked up.

- It was terrible. I was furious. - I kind of like this, like talking about this is bringing back memories for me as well. 'Cause the only time I've ever like tried to hustle people was during like the Pokemon card era. - Yeah dude. - There was so much, I think it just got normalized that just kids would just try to hustle each other. - I'll give you a hundred energies for hoho. Please, please. - I swear like around the world, like, you know, we had like the fucking like,

the big like cocaine thing in the 80s, but like the 2000s was like the Pokemon card equivalent. And everyone was like, I'm gonna fucking scam everybody for this. - You don't know real hustle man, until you've been in school trading Pokemon or pogs or whatever the fuck it is. That's where the real negotiations happen. I'll tell you what, that's where I learned the art of the deal. - 'Cause like I went from the streets. - I learned the hard way. - 'Cause like I remember when I first started getting into Pokemon, I just had like,

I just had like the worst gacha luck. I was buying so many expansion packs, I got nothing. So I had like no value that I could trade with. So I'm just like, what can I scrounge up that I could sell to people with value? So going back to the old game cartridges that I would always buy. So I knew, even as a kid, I knew like those game cartridges that you get that says 400 games in one game cartridge.

I feel like I would always buy them and I'd try playing them, but you know they would have like the shittest games. - And it's normally 30 games or like 30 games that repeats. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like 30 games from like a game that was like a Chinese ripoff from like the older generation cartridge. - And there's like eight different versions of Tetris on it. - Yeah, so I'm just like, I don't need these in my life. I'm gonna try to sell them. I'm gonna try to hustle these for Pokemon cards.

So because I got these in like Southeast Asia, I don't know what it was like in your town, but like you couldn't really get like knockoff game cartridges or knockoff games where I was in the UK. - I only ever like saw them once and my mind was blown. I was like, how the fuck did you get this? - Yeah, so I would go up to kids on the playground and be like, yo, you got a Chinese Charizard?

- Let me introduce to you to my game cartridge. Yo, this game cartridge has 30 games in it. - Going off the recommended retail price of one game, that could be up to $10,000. - So I basically pawned off these cartridges that I wasn't gonna play for shiny Pokemon cards. And that's how I got like at one point the most like shiny Pokemon cards on the playground. And then I left three of them in my like fucking jean pocket in the wash and they were just gone.

- I used to do something similar to that, but with Yu-Gi-Oh cards. Cause Pokemon cards got very quickly banned from my school. Cause like all the kids would just like, even during class would just be fucking playing around with it. So we were like, all right, well the teachers already know what a Charizard looks like.

- Shit, they're in on the inside. - But they don't know what blue eyes white dragon looks like. - What pot of greed looks like. - So let's move on to Yu-Gi-Oh cards. And I got so into like the hustling of Yu-Gi-Oh cards, like to the point where like the peak, it was the peak of fucking, you know, Obelisk. The fucking like, you collect the five pieces of Obelisk in your hand and you like automatically win the game like that level. - Yeah, yeah. - Remember that? - Exodia? - Oh, Exodia, sorry, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, Obelisk. - Yeah, Obelisk is a different one, sorry. Exodia, yeah. So it was the five pieces of Exodia, right? - Yeah, but you could, that was like a starter deck that you could buy.

- Right, right. - So everyone had Exodia. - Right, but not everyone had all the pieces, right? Because the Exodia not, 'cause you usually in those starter packs, you'd get one piece of Exodia. - I remember in the UK, I don't know why I distinctly remember this. They literally sold a deck that had all the five pieces of Exodia that you could just buy for like 20 bucks. - Really? - Yeah, yeah. - Because for us, it was like the starter pack was, or the booster pack was like, you'd maybe get one piece of Exodia. - Yeah, those booster packs, those like starter packs had all of them. - Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay. We didn't have that luxury in Australia. So the only way someone could,

physically get all pieces of Exodia was to do a bunch of hustling and trading and get all the pieces. And so as like a 10 year old, I had like one Exodia thing, but I was like, I love this guy so much. I wanna collect all of them. All my friends have all these other pieces, but they're not gonna trade it to me because they realize the value of Exodia on this market right now. So I dead ass went up to my dad and I was like, father,

you work for a printing company, don't you? You have a high quality printers at your work. Here's some PNGs of Exodia. Could you print them out onto card paper and give them to me? And he full on like printed out these like pirated fucking Exodia, and they were like shitty, like 240p qualities of Exodia. But as a 10 year old, you don't know the fucking difference. - Holy shit, she got mad flashbacks, holy fuck. - So I would come to school and I'd be like, boys,

I have all my things in my hand. - Like a terrible printer ink stain. - One of them is in like 1080p and the other is like three pixels. It's like, whoa! It's like, I can trade them off to you as well if you want. - I remember that like, I really, really wanted like, I think there was like Element Heroes or something and there's like Yu-Gi-Oh XD collection or something. And my friend had them all, but I wish I looked a little closer.

because he traded me them and I was like, yeah, I want them really badly. And then I got them and I was like, oh wait, the description's really weird. And it was all just like gibberish, like fake Chinese sounding stuff. And then I realized when I looked a little closer, it was like printed all like fucked. And I was like, wait, I just got hustled.

- Yeah, it was all fucking, I was like, I was so sad. I was like, where the fuck did you get this from? - You literally got scammed into a Chinese knockoff. - But like, you feel them, they look good. It doesn't look bad. But then you look at the quality a little more and you're like, oh wait. - Enhance. - Yeah, and then you see like the text and you're like, why is it weird fucking like Chinese sounding ass thing? - Do you wanna see something like, if you wanna see something anxiety inducing, right? So,

I remember I talked about Rhystic Studies before about how he makes magic videos. So in his Black Lotus videos, so like Black Lotus is a thing like one of the rarest cards you can get in magic. - Expensive card, right? - Yeah, most expensive card. So he talks about how you would like figure out what a fake one is to a real one. And apparently one of the ways they used to test this is called the Ben Test.

where you will take this card and you will literally have to bend it. Like imagine this is the card. So you literally have to bend it there. And if it's a real card, it won't crease at all. But seeing this like $2,000 card being bent like that, no matter if it bends or not, I get anxiety and I have zero...

knowledge about magic or any investment in magic at all. - All I know is that there's a video where a guy's just casually talking and he's opening packs and then he opens it and he gets a black Lotus and he starts like, like that. It's so funny. He's like casually talking and then he starts freaking out. I gotta find the link to that clip, it's so good. - And then the other one is, holy bish! That's a freaking black Lotus! Holy God!

- That's like the one thing I've been enjoying about like this resurgence of like opening Pokemon cards. It's just like- - How did that start? - People just like casually talking and then just pulling something really- - People turn into gambling. That's why it returned. - Yeah, pretty much. - 'Cause if you turn anything into gambling, it's 10 times more fun. - Is this how people feel when they watch us roll for fucking Gacha-Wide crews? - Yeah, exactly. This is why I went on a rant.

- This is why Gacha stream for a long time did so fucking well. Because people love it when, like that dude who fucking, that Japanese like streamer who was, what was he fucking doing? He was doing "Arknights" rolling. - Yeah, there's a guy rolling in "Arknights". He was dressed up as Yugi.

- Yeah, that's right, and he had life. - Every time he did a gacha pull, his life points would go down. The Yu-Gi-Oh! like, "Duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh-duh!" would play. And he was screaming. - He did the full voice acting. He was like, "Nu-uh!" - Yeah, he was voice acting, and then he was like, and when he pulled every time, he would make it sound like he was summoning an animal. - He was like, "Nu-ruh!"

- Yeah, he would like draw. - That sounds amazing. - It was fucking amazing. - It's a really fucking good clip. It's so funny. Hopefully we can play it for like one second. It's really funny. I'm like, God, that's way too much effort.

I can't be bothered to like come up with like exciting things like that for streams. Like, which is why I'm always impressed with like how recently you've been doing. - I mean, I feel like at that point you have to treat streams the way it's the same way you treat YouTube videos. - Yeah, that's what I kinda, I do sometimes. I mean, right now when I'm just playing like Apex over and over again, I'd already say it that way. But like, you know, when I'm,

- Doing certain things, I do think of it as like, oh, just think of it as if you're making a video. - Right, right. - Yeah. - And then just talk to the audience that happened also be watching you make this video. - Yeah. - That's the way I see it. And I think that when you think of it like that, it's a lot easier to actually make a good content live streaming. But if you don't have that frame of reference of how does it feel to make a video? 'Cause obviously we have like five years of experience of talking to the camera and making a video. But if you've never had any of those, it's like, how do I explain how you should behave

- Yeah. - Good content. But then again, I think I've still like a lot that I can improve on. So I'm getting there. - I mean, it's a different field. It's a different field, but the way I see it is that, you know, I think either of us can become successful streamers. I just think I don't have the energy to put into it because I would have to use the energy to put that I put into making YouTube videos and to making Twitch streams. - Yeah. - I mean, there's so many YouTubers who end up just

stopping YouTube and going to be a Twitch streamer or vice versa. It's normally YouTube has become- - For me, the one thing that is just stopping me from making that transition is the fact that I wouldn't be able to take a vacation. - Yeah, that's like YouTube, you know, like before I moved to Japan,

You know, people didn't know that I didn't do any work for a month 'cause I was busy doing stuff, but I prepared enough videos in advance where it looked like everything was running perfectly smooth, you know? - Right, right. - But I was able to take a month off. - Exactly. - Which is like, oh my God, that's nuts. - Yeah, you can't, you take a month off as a streamer, like you're basically-

- People would know. You just disappear off the face of the earth. - Yeah, pretty much. - Yeah, which is why like, I don't know right now, it's just like a fun little side hobby right now. But you know, I've noticed that I tend to, I used to, you know, when I would do YouTube videos, I would, once I finished with the video, I would think about, "All right, what's the next YouTube video I'm gonna make?" And I would think about it all day. What am I gonna make? What am I gonna do? Oh, I can make this, I can make that.

But like now I don't really think that way. I think like I plan what videos I'm going to do and then I don't really think about them. I just kind of until the day comes where I'm making it, I'm like, all right, time to make a YouTube video. Which I feel is more healthier in some ways, but it feels weird. It feels like I care less. But I think it's a good thing. I don't know. - I've had to try and change my mentality towards that as well, where especially hanging out with you guys and just all constantly compared to you guys feeling like I'm behind schedule. And that's because I'm,

I'm very like, my content is very like inspiration based. I find it so hard to work on a video if I don't feel like working on the video. I can't just like force the video out. So I have to basically try and schedule enough ideas ahead of videos I wanna work on in order for me to be able to meet that like schedule. - See, I think inspiration is a little bullshit.

I think you can't rely on inspiration at all. I think if you did what you did for the BBC, you don't have a choice if you have inspiration or not. - Yeah, but it's a different career path, right? I mean, it's comparing like a office job to a creative path. - But I think for any creative field, it's important to discipline yourself to force yourself. - It's something you have to learn. - Of course. - But it's just,

- If I get inspiration, it's fantastic. I love it, but it's so fleeting and motivation is so fleeting as well. It's like, you just have to discipline yourself to work. - I'm kind of like halfway in between, I think. Like, yeah, of course, like if I have to, if time is crunching and I have to record something in order to make the deadline, then obviously regardless of if I'm feeling inspired or not, I have to do it. But for the most part, it's like I wake up in the morning and I think, okay, do I have to record today?

then okay, I'll record. But if I don't have to and I don't feel like it, I'm not gonna fucking force myself to do it. - Yeah, I mean, there's some days where my mood is so bad that it's gonna come off in the video, so I just don't wanna do it. But then also in that time, okay, if I was gonna make a video, if I can't do that today, I'll do something else that's productive that can force me to keep on top of things. I don't know. - But recently, I feel like I haven't really had that choice because I think the past four videos I've recorded this week have all been

pre-scheduled on like certain days and certain times. - Yeah, I mean, that's what I try and do. I try and leave a lot of videos that are in the works, a lot of videos that are ahead. So there's always something I can work on. I don't like to just finish a video and be like,

I got nothing, what am I doing? What's next? I think it's good to have multiple things you're working on. - It's like you have to plan for the next one as you're making the previous one. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is also something that's quite difficult for the way I used to work is I used to like, I had to do one thing at a time. - Yeah, same, same. - But now, yeah, I've got like- - Now I'm juggling like seven different videos at once. - Yeah, something like that. I've got quite a lot. - For me, I'm either working on seven or I have no idea what I'm working on. No in between. I need to change that.

But that's why I feel like I find it so scary if I was a Twitch streamer, 'cause a Twitch streamer, you have to start streaming no matter what mood you're in. And I feel like it's so much harder to hide that on a Twitch stream rather than a YouTube channel. - Yeah, because you're constantly on camera. - Yeah. - That's true. - I mean, I think the one thing that's even worse than starting the stream when you're in a bad mood is when your mood sours.

- Oh yeah. - Holy shit, God. - Fucking cool that. - Yeah, when you like start like whole happy- - You'll start in like an hour and then maybe you'll get like a text from someone that's like telling you like bad news. Or maybe someone will say something that's like real fucking mood or maybe something happened like the stream starts to go wrong. Like when stuff starts going wrong whilst you're streaming, it is,

so much more mentally taxing than when you've been starting the stream in a bad mood. Cause you're like, it can't get worse. I'm already in a bad mood. - Well, it's like fucking up on stage in front of an audience, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Versus just fucking up in a recording booth. - Right, right, right. - It's big difference. - Like some fucking clown. This actually didn't bother me that much, but this is like an example of something that could happen. So like whilst I was streaming on time,

Something happened on my Discord server where one of the mods made someone else a mod who was pretending to be a mod.

So someone joined my Discord server saying, "Hi, for some reason, I'm not a moderator anymore." And they had the same profile picture and the same name as a moderator. And someone else on my server thought, "Oh yeah, that checks out. That makes total sense." Gave the moderator. And then they just start injecting a bunch of bots into my server and started like spamming it. So my Discord server completely got raided whilst I was streaming. And the whole purpose of this person doing this was to do it to people who are streaming live so they get a reaction.

So I'm there, it's happening. And all my chat is like, Connor, Connor, your fucking Discord's on fire. And I'm like, oh, okay. I mean, it'll get deal with. - Yeah, it's something you can deal with later. - Yeah, that's like that. But it's frustrating when everyone's like, bro, bro, you need to look at this, look at this thing. I'm like, I don't really give a shit. Like, well, I'll deal with it later. It's fine.

but I was good 'cause that guy was going around trying to film TikTok reactions of streamers getting angry. - Oh really? - And I was like glad I didn't know that at the time, but I was like, I'm glad I didn't fucking react 'cause I was like, oh, okay, cool. - Sounds like an asshole dick thing to move. - Who does this shit? - Don't do that. - Yeah. - People want attention, right? It is what it is, nothing new. - Yeah, nothing new in the world.

- You just gotta deal with people always looking to attack you. - Yeah, I get that sometimes. I get every now and then these like, obviously people who are just coming into Twitch chat just to fucking get a reaction out of you, just spam bullshit. And the best thing I do that just works is like, I respond to them, but in the most,

deadpan fucking voice ever. Where it's like- - Your normal voice. - Yeah, literally just my normal talking voice as if I'm responding to chat. And sure enough, they eventually just go away because that's what they want in the end. In the end, they want you to be like, "How fucking dare you say something like that? You're such an asshole." - I don't know, I already worry too much about it. I just do what I wanna do. - Yeah, but a lot of streams were just starting off,

really process that, right? That you're just buying into the bait. - It's hard to wrap your head around that people are just gonna do mean things to you and you don't know why. - It's nothing personal. - It's nothing personal. People just do this for attention. - And it's sad that that's part of the job, right? I could like, there's someone out there who I have no idea who they are. I have no interaction with them ever. I've never spoken to them. And for some reason, they just wanna see bad shit happen to me.

And I'm like, that's really difficult to accept that that's a reality. 'Cause it takes you a few years, I think, to like actually accept that. - Yeah, absolutely. - I don't know when I started just kind of like getting over it and just being like, all right, you know what? It's gonna happen.

I feel like it was like two, three years ago where I was just like- - Probably when it happened enough times and you just kind of get used to it. - Yeah, you realize you can't- - Sad enough to say. - Yeah, you can't do anything about it. You just gotta not let it ruin your day. - You think about it logically, right? You being like, well, I've never interacted with this person. I don't know what this person looks like or what they're like as a person. They don't know what they look like, right? I've never interacted with them. So they're obviously not saying

all this shit out of any logical basis. So why would I take any logical basis out of what they're saying? - No, that's true, it's true. It also makes me sad as well, 'cause I'm like, man, if they actually just spoke to me, I'm sure they'd pretty see that I'm a nice guy and they wouldn't wanna do this. I just, I don't know. - Yeah, that sucks. - Yeah, exactly. - Speaking of assholes online, I want a quick rant.

- Okay, go for it. - Because I know we've talked about "Attack on Titan" like plenty. - All right, all right, here we go. - All right. - Great start. - It's the weekly "Attack on Titan" segment. - The weekly "Attack on Titan" rant segment. I'm getting so fucking tired of spoilers. It's gotten to the point now where my enjoyment of this is getting fucking ruined because of spoilers online. Like logging on to Twitter now, especially on a Monday,

It's like, I'm trying not to be spoiled on "Attack on Titan." It's like trying to go to like a crowded hospital without a face mask and expect to not get COVID. That's like, I've been spoiled now on so many plot points of "Attack on Titan" that I feel like as someone who likes to binge shows and as someone who doesn't wanna, I don't wanna keep up with it like weekly, right? But I feel like I'm being held at gunpoint just to keep up with this weekly.

- I know, I feel you on that. - You should go through the Wiki and get every character name and you should mute them on Twitter.

- That's what I've done. - Have you done that? - I've done that. And yet still, I would be on a rant thread. - It seeps through the cracks. - There is no way to stop the cracks. And what I understand, what I don't understand is why is it that, when we talk about spoiler culture, why is it that with a show like Attack on Titan, it's fine to talk about it as soon as it airs? - It's because everyone expects, all the Attack on Titan fans expect that everyone is watching it.

as the episode comes out. - Because like with something like the Avengers. - So you think it's not okay to talk about it after it airs? - I mean, I think there should be a buffer period. Like we had this for the Avengers. Why can't we not have this for Attack on Titan or any other TV show? - Was there a buffer period?

- Yeah, I mean, there was a massive fucking buffer period where like the directors and everyone was just like, please do not talk about the Avengers Endgame for like a good two, three weeks. And there is just no buffer period for like TV shows. And like we're living in an age

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- I just came back to confirm I'm reading the new chapter. It is amazing. It's amazing Garnt. It's not good, it's amazing. Go read it on global.bookwalk.jp right now. Back to the episode. - I really liked the community aspect of, you know, when an episode airs, everyone talks about it. I kind of liked that. - No, but there are ways to talk about it.

in ways that are not spoiling. And there are places, there are like open forums that you have to physically go and look up. - When I talk about the show on Twitter, I try not to mention spoilers. - Every tweet you've tweeted about "Attack on Titan" is fine because you're not spoiling it, but you still leave open for discussion, right? - I still mute it right away. - There are some fucking kids who just do not understand that. And they're just like, yeah,

Of course everyone is watching this. - 4K picture. I can't believe this character dies. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like, oh my God. - And it's just like, there's like some motherfuckers who will literally like put a full spoiler and then like put a spoiler warning five minutes after they just spoiled the fucking thing they talked about, man.

- It's right now, social media is like treading a minefield. - I've never understood the whole like spoiler warning at the beginning of a tweet. It's like, how about you just don't tweet it? - Actually, it's honestly not gonna lie, it saved me a few times. - Really? - 'Cause I'll read the top of it about a show and I'll see a picture and I'll quickly scroll. 'Cause I'm like, all right, sick. That's what the warning actually saved me. - To me, it's just the most pointless fucking warning. - It's better than nothing.

- No, I would rather just you not spoiling it, to be honest. - But I understand, right? 'Cause you know,

- Attack on Titan, I wish I could tweet about like the details of the show a little bit more, but I know that because I've like quite a large following that I'm gonna have to spoil it for someone, so I don't wanna do that. - Right. - But I literally, like every time I- - But I do think that if you go on Twitter on a Monday in Japan and you haven't watched the newest episode, honestly, that's kinda on you. - Well, thanks for the victim blame, Natalia. - Yeah, wow.

- If you guys don't know, Attack on Titan airs, I think in the evening in America, but it has like 5:00 AM on a Monday for us. So first thing I do every Monday when I wake up is I watch the episode, I don't open Twitter, I don't do any, 'cause I'm not being funny.

I know the internet, they're gonna spoil it. There's nothing that you can say here or ever do that will stop them from doing that. So why not just watch it? - I feel though that this attack on Titan incident is like almost unprecedented. Like I don't think there's ever been an anime that has been,

where the amount of spoilers on Twitter has been this problem. - There's been none. And I remember because "Attack on Titan" season three, part two, I thought, you know, I got spoiled on some like minor things, but like, I don't see that many spoilers on mine. - I see a fucking- - I see so many. - I see it in the Twitter trending page. - Yeah. - Like that's how you know it's getting bad.

when literally on the, when you go to Twitter trending some weeks and I've seen it some weeks, it shows you the tagline or the hashtag or whatever word is trending. And then underneath it gives the spoiler. And I'm like, what? - Okay, that is a little scary. - That's never happened to any anime series. - That has never happened. Like recently I got, or like I knew,

It's the equivalent of being like, yo, something's gonna happen with this character. Nine times out of 10, it's probably a death. It's probably gonna be a big death. And the problem is that "Attack on Titans" is one of the easiest shows to spoil out there. 'Cause all it takes is like one sentence or one word. - I'm pretty sure I've seen pictures of stuff of like where like the current manga's at and that like,

I'm sure that I've seen very glimpse of it. So when I see it and I recognize a character, I'm like, I skip, but I've seen it and I don't know what it is. So I'm like, well, if I have no context, this picture, I don't know what's going on. I'm not gonna be spoiled until the moment I see that frame. - I actually disagree about that. - Yeah, I disagree too. - Because like,

I mean, it's still like spoils your experience a bit. 'Cause there's been like, for example, there's been so many like, let's say anime or manga or where you see like a meme panel, right? And this meme gets passed around and you don't know the context of it, but then you,

finally read or watch whatever shows everyone's memed about. And then it could be like this read some of the most serious moments in like media has been like just ruined for me because I've seen the meme of it. And so the moment happens and it takes you out and be like, oh, that was the moment they got memes. Like right now I'm reading Tokyo Ghoul

because I want to see if the Tokyo Google manga readers are right. And I know when that fucking Kaneki panel comes up, I'm gonna laugh. Like, I don't know what the context of it is. - Isn't that fun though? - No, it's not fun. - That's fun, that's fun. - Because to me, like I've had this happen where I have- - I'm not saying that it's okay to post pictures from the manga. I don't think anyone should be fucking posting pictures from the manga.

- No, no, but what I'm saying though- - People are still posting pictures from the anime, fresh off the anime. - What I'm saying though is that people should just avoid posting it entirely because even if you read the spoiler warning and you see the picture for a fraction of a second, where you're just like, "No, I'm not gonna watch it."

- Somewhere in the back of your head, that image is subconsciously planted. - No, no, no, it is, right? But here's what I've realized, right? When you see an image of a show, right? That you are already into and it's like, it could be ages away. You are making your own theory in your head of why that image is happening. If you've seen it, right? And so most of the time you're gonna be wrong, right?

It's not gonna be accurate. So are you technically spoiled? Because you've sort of seen something that's given you a vague idea of what you think could be happening, but you could be totally wrong. Are you spoiled then?

- I honestly want to come into a show with as zero expectations as I can. - Me too, me too. But what I'm saying is that like, if seeing one frame of a panel of a manga or an anime, you know, obviously if it's literally a character dead on the floor, yeah, okay. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's being heavily posted around. - But if there's, you know, a shot of something happening that I can't quite make out, I don't look at it long enough, I just have some kind of vague feeling in the back of my head,

I don't really think that's a spoiler. - Because something like that happened when I decided to finally watch Demon Slayer. And like, you know, the first example we ever had of that was when episode 19 was trending on Twitter, right? And everyone was posting pictures and GIFs of that scene. - Yeah. - Right?

- Of course, because I knew immediately on the training page, it says Demon Slayer episode 19. And at that point I hadn't started yet. And I'm like, well, eventually I want to get to it. So obviously I'm not going to look at it. I'm going to try and avoid all pictures. But obviously when you're on Twitter or when you're on the internet, you're going to see like fraction of a frame or fraction of an image. And not going to lie, when I finally caught up to Demon Slayer and I got to that scene in episode 19, I was like,

- This is impressive, but I feel I would have been even more impressed if I had no idea that this was coming, like everybody else. If I had no experience. - Does it take away? - A little bit. - It does take away. - To be honest. - I feel like it does absolutely take away from me. - I can understand that, but I don't know. - I was like, this is epic, but this could have been fucking mind blowing like it was for everybody else who watched it. - Yeah, 'cause I mean, like I said, like we,

We've thought about spoiler culture when something as big as the Avengers was aired in cinemas. - Or Game of Thrones as well. - But that you could argue that when it is such a big moment in any media that obviously it deserves to be talked about the moment it happens, that you're like, "Oh my God, please tell me someone else has watched this. This is insane." - I feel like this hasn't caught up with

of the culture right now, because I could understand that for example, when things were airing on TV, you had one run of it and people would go around the water cooler and discuss what just happened. But now we're in a time when it's on demand. People watch things when they want to. And yet we still have the same like idea around spoiling things as if people were watching things on TV because-

I don't wanna watch things as soon as they are. I like binging it. That's just how I do it. - You should adapt the way that you go on Twitter. - This is why I miss like dedicated forums because with a dedicated forum on a show, right?

- You won't know anything about the spoilers of the show unless you decide to click on the form. - No, because the way to adapt is just like I said- - How do you solve this problem on Twitter? - There is no solution. - This is never gonna go away. So why not just adapt to what's happening? 'Cause you can't change it all, man. Change with the time, Primo. - Because I don't wanna fucking wait an entire week for the next episode. I wanna binge it. - Yeah.

- I hate watching shit weekly. - The reason I said it was because when this idea came up for the Avengers, everyone was like, yes, good, finally, someone said it. - That's bullshit. I saw people spoiling it on Twitter.

- Yeah, but probably not nearly as much as without them. - No, but the thing is- - I don't think it matters. - Everyone got fucking shamed for doing it. Everyone was just like, "Yo, you did a bad thing. Don't fucking do this." Yeah, when we talk about TV shows and especially now with "Attack on Titan," it's just, everyone's just doing it willy nilly and the mentality is, well, everyone's doing it, so I guess that's okay and that's just acceptable. - Such a hard topic to discuss. I wish I had more time to prepare an actual-

But I mean, I understand where you're coming from. I just think that, you know, in the age that we live in, you know, now it's always gonna be like that. So why not just adapt to what's happening? - Yeah, I mean, I like, for me, I grew up watching anime and manga.

I mean, I've gotten used to just watching it in a bubble. I like enjoying like my entertainment in a bubble. And it's only recently that I've gotten a different kind of enjoyment to see like to discussing with friends and everything like that. But when it's something that's, I mean- - I mean, in a perfect world, right? You go in a coma and you would wake up and the doctor's like, bro, here's your Crunchyroll account. Here's attack on Titan. Don't get up yet. Just pretend you're still asleep. Watch the rest of the episodes and then leave and then go on Twitter.

That's the perfect world, right? Where you can experience it full run, no breaks, no weeks, no bullshit on Twitter. But that's just not how it works. - Yeah, I know it's not how it works. All I'm trying to argue is that, why is it like this? Why is it like...

why do people not have a problem with this? - I think 'cause- - I think people do have a problem with it. They just kind of like- - I think especially in times like- - Can't do anything about it. - In times like now, right? Where everyone's also at home all the time, you know? Who are you gonna talk to? Your mom? About a tongue-in-tie? No. You're gonna go on Twitter and talk about it with your friends 'cause everyone's at home. - Yeah, but like, but there's other venues to do that in. Like, isn't that the whole reason why fucking Discord was invented?

Just so you can create a private room where you know the people you're discussing. - There are some people who, not me personally, who they don't really talk about stuff with their friends. They just like to throw it into a void, which is AKA. - Right. But people like that need to understand that no one gives a shit about what you say. - That's the sad truth, no one gives a shit. - What I'm trying to say is if you want to discuss it, why not discuss it on like the relevant subject

- I think that's probably where it belongs. - Yeah, I mean, there's a difference between discussing spoilers in a dedicated, here's the episode just aired, let's just go on this thread versus let's just post screenshots and stuff publicly on Twitter that anyone can see. - It's the whole assumption that yes, everybody who was a fan of "Attack on Titan" and anyone who would ever search "Attack on Titan" is searching it because they're watching it weekly.

And it's that whole misassumption where it's like, and that's why, again, like if you want to discuss the fucking, you know, episode that just happened, do it on a private Discord server, do it on a fucking subreddit, do it on a fucking closed forum. - What we need is spoiler etiquette. We need a system in place where everyone just agrees, hey, this is how you're gonna spoil it. - Yeah, I mean, that's all I was talking about. I was talking about- - But it's never gonna happen.

- What I'm trying to say is it's never gonna get to a point where everyone follows this etiquette and everyone like, this is like a hard and fast rule that everyone will follow. No, all I'm saying is like, why is there no efficacy around this where people were just like, - This should be common sense. - Also you're talking to the fact that, okay, 90% of people who are posting stuff aren't intending it so they ruin your day.

But there's 10% of people who are hoping that they get people who they spoil. - Yeah, of course. - They get enjoyment knowing that they've ruined something. - What I'm saying is like, what it seemed right around the Avengers is that it was that 10% of people that the only spoilers you got were people who are really looking to ruin other people's day, right? But at least we can all point to them and say, yeah, they were an asshole. - Yeah.

- Oh, so you want it to become more of a normalized asshole thing to post any screen shots. - The fact that 90% of people who are posting spoilers on Twitter about "Attack on Titan" aren't being called out for it, I think is the problem. - I do think it's, I mean, 'cause the anime is arguably more popular, well, I mean, it is more popular than the manga, right? I think it's a little dickish for people to post panels from the manga when you can just talk about them, not post them to Twitter, when you know that the majority of people are anime only.

That kind of annoys me, 'cause that makes sense to me. - But even still just keep it privately. - I get it posting the anime, 'cause I'm like, all right, everyone's watching the anime. - I found it a real problem where the last time I streamed, literally the first thing I had to say was, don't ask me questions about "Attack on Titan." Because the fact that people will like type to me in the chat,

like five minutes into me streaming being, "Hey Joe, what are your thoughts on "Attack on Titan?" I'm like, "Well, I'm not gonna fucking talk about it." 'Cause why would you assume that I've caught up to it? Why would you assume everyone in this chat has caught up to it? I'm not gonna do that. So to avoid spoilers, let's just not fucking talk about it at all. That's the best way to do it. You wanna talk about it? Do it in your own fucking DMs. - I mean, it's a different conversation to say how much spoilers do ruin a show or ruin something. I mean, that's a different conversation.

- That's a good conversation, go on. - I just wish there was some basic etiquette. - You know what I mentioned earlier about the picture that when you see a picture or a frame or an image from an anime, you're like, oh man, I wonder what that's all about. Why is Kaneki throwing his head back? Why have you been doing that? I kind of think it's pretty cool when you have an idea of why this is happening and then it's totally wrong. You're like, oh, that's how that happened. I thought this was gonna happen.

I kind of like that. That's kind of cool. Not that I want, please don't do this. But sometimes when it happens, you don't feel too spoiled and you're like, oh, that's kind of cool. - Yeah, but I feel it's a bit of a different story with the Kaneki thing, right? Because it's like in the manga, that's a really serious scene. And all I can imagine is you, "La, la, la, la."

That's all that's gonna be playing in my head. - That's all that's playing in the back of my head, right? But in like the funny way, right? - Yeah, that's true. - So it's just, it really does kind of like, it's not so much a spoiler, it's just kind of like the gap between what you expected and what actually happened is like a disappointment, right? - Yeah, 'cause I feel like it really much depends on the show. 'Cause like, for example, I don't think it's physically possible to spoil JoJo.

- It's not, you can post panel, you can fully explain what's happening in the scene and it won't prepare you for the actual experience. - Yeah, exactly. - I remember that time that limp dick fought biscuit soup and they kissed each other to death and you're like, oh, is that a spoiler? Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's her. - Yeah, it's her now.

- That is how the fight ends. - Yeah, but you know, just like with something like JoJo, it doesn't hurt your enjoyment of the series. Part of that is the enjoyment of the series. - Honestly, it probably makes it better if someone explains what's happening to you. - Yeah, exactly. - And then you have to deal with it. - You fully understand it, right?

- Oh. - But a character dying in "Attack on Titan", anyone can understand that and it ruins it. - Yeah, it's a minefield right now. I just wanted to go on a quick first world problem rant. This isn't actually an important problem. I just wanted to go on an off tangent rant. - Yeah, I mean, spoiler culture is pretty fun to talk about, you know, discuss it, what's going on with it.

- Yeah, because like, have you ever been spoiled in like any big plot points that has kind of ruined your enjoyment of any show or you think you would like it more? - I'm amazed at some shows that I didn't get spoiled. Like with certain plot points in "Attack on Titan," I am like, how the fuck did I not get spoiled on this? This shit was so goddamn obvious that everyone was probably talking about it. And I'm the only idiot that didn't know. I obviously won't say it, but there are moments. In recent memory, I can't remember the last time I got spoiled. - I got spoiled on the "Code Geass" ending.

- Which is why I'm so fucking passionate about this. - My condolences, man. - Which is why I'm so fucking passionate about it. 'Cause I was, I didn't even fucking finish season one when I got spoiled on that shit. - Why did you get spoiled? What happened? - Because I was on some forum where they were talking about Code Geass and I didn't realize that, oh, there's a second season of Code Geass. And people were talking about, yeah, so, you know, the last three episodes of season two was like, you know, that was a crazy ending, wasn't it? I was like,

- You could talk about the Cogios ending now, right? It's like Bruce Willis at the end of, everyone knows him. - I guess, I think my buffer is like 10 years. - I feel like everyone has seen it, right? You can spoil it, everyone. It's common knowledge, right? - Maybe we shouldn't because otherwise we'll sound really fucking hypocritical. - Yeah, yeah. - I think there are, once enough time has passed and a show is iconic enough, I think it is totally fair game to talk about 'cause it's part of pop culture at that point.

- Yeah but- - The Code Geass ending is universally loved and often cited as one of the best endings in anime. You should know how it ends. - To me though, that buffer is still too small. I can fucking go ahead and spoil something like Soylent Green 'cause that's like a 60 year old movie. But I feel Code Geass is like, there are still kids today coming in probably having no idea what the show is about. So I don't want, look, I've been through the pain especially with Code Geass so I'm not gonna say shit.

- Yeah, I mean like I got spoiled on something of a similar capacity I say. I got spoiled in on like the halfway point of "Death Note" where something big happens. - Oh no. - And that was a manga spoiler as well. - That's the worst. That's the worst. - I feel that's worse than getting spoiled on the ending of "Death Note."

- That is worse than getting spoiled on the ending of Death Note. - I think it's worse than getting spoiled on the ending of Death Note. - 'Cause that was the ending of Death Note for me.

- You can talk about that, right? That's so iconic. You know what I mean? Like there's some things in anime, like that is top three. - I feel like I need to like make a survey of this and like depending on the survey results is whether I can spoil it or not, right? It's like do 90% of people who know me know the halfway point of Death Note? - It's like saying that like fucking Walter White makes meth. Like yeah, that's pretty, that's universally known. - No it is not. - Come on. - It's not even close.

- I mean, I just think that after a certain point where something is so well loved and so well known and so universally like watched by everyone in said community, that it is fair to just openly discuss it. - Yeah. By the way, please don't spoil Code Geass and Death Note in the comments of this episode. - It has been how many years since Death Note? It's like what, 13?

- Yeah, it was like early 2000s, right? - 2006. - Right. - Code Geass was 2007, I think. Yeah. So it's been a long time. - I'm not gonna do it just in case, but I think that it should be, you know, if I'm- - What's your buffer? - If I'm an anime fan, I would be like, the first thing I'd be like, what do you think of that?

- Wow, he really just said that. - There are some things, if you say you're like a fan of X genre that you should know. Like if you're like, I love Bruce Willis movies, you should know that he's dead in "Sixth Sense", right?

Everyone knows that's like the meme spoiler. - Just to spoil all the big plot twists of like, I get it, I get it. That's like- - Make me out of it, that's fucking bad. - I mean, I get it 'cause that's become like part of pop culture now, I would say. - Yeah, exactly. It's not the show anymore. The twist is so iconic that the twist is- - Has become part of pop culture itself rather than watching the show itself. - I've never seen the sixth sense, but I know the twist because everyone's like,

'Cause it's always used as like, anecdotally like, "Oh, it's like the ending of the video." It's fucked the fuck up. I haven't watched it. I'm not gonna watch it now. - Are you really not gonna watch it now? It's still a really good movie. - I'm probably gonna watch it at some point. - Yeah, it's still a good movie. - Because like, I feel like right now, how would you feel if someone spoiled Attack on Titan for you? 'Cause I- - I think I'd be crushed and I'd get over it. You know what I mean? - Would you get over it? 'Cause I was not over it when I got spoiled for Code Geass. - It depends how bad of a spoiler we're talking, right? - I'm talking like,

- Ending of Code Geass levels of spoilers. - The ending of Attack on Titan. Someone spoiled the ending of Attack on Titan for you. - It depends what it was, right? 'Cause if I feel like, 'cause I already feel like it's going in a certain direction right now. And if someone was like confirmed that it was going there, I'd be like, kind of sucks that you confirmed my suspicion, but I'll get over it. You know what I mean? - Would you though? - Yeah, I mean, 'cause I've been spoiled and stuff before and I've been like, you know what? At the end of the day, the experience is still a banger and this ain't gonna ruin it.

- I mean, look, yeah, like granted, like, you know, I finished Code Geass and even after knowing that spoiler. - It doesn't spoil it, it doesn't ruin it. - It didn't ruin it. - The scene is so goddamn good. - It didn't ruin it, but I'm thinking of like the what if scenario of if I wasn't spoiled, like how much of a mind fuck that would be. - If a scene is so reliant on the fact that you,

like don't need to know this plot point, the emotions, the voice acting, the music, the animation, that all of that can't bring an emotional reaction out of you, then I don't think it deserves to be guarded in the first place. - But at the same time, I feel like it took something away from you. It took that fresh experience from you because there are shows like I've rewatched Code Geass, right?

the ending is excellent every time out of none. But by far the most unique experience I had was that first time, that holy shit moment where I experienced it for the first time. You can only get that once. - Yeah, I'm just trying to be positive here. I'm just trying to say if you get spoiled, man, don't worry, it's at the end of the world, you're gonna be okay. The scene's still good, you know, it holds up, don't worry. - I mean, there are even some shows where you enjoy it more the second time you watch it, but I still value having that first fresh experience when I don't know what's gonna happen.

- Yeah, it's that first moment that's so strong that you look back on it years later and be like, it's that obligatory like, I wish I could erase my mind about X show so I could experience it all over again. To me that was Code Geass because I was like, I wish- - Probably because you don't rewatch shows, which is why you don't care.

- You take your one, you've put in a zip folder, you file it away. - Yeah, exactly. - Compress that shit. - You compress that shit and then throw it in the trash. - Yeah, I don't know. I'm not really, I've been spoiled and I think that I'm in like the middle of like, I care, but I don't really care. Like it's not gonna take away my, if the show is good, I'm still gonna enjoy it.

But I definitely feel that most people are on the end of, I don't want anything spoiled for me. Don't tell me anything. - Yeah, I want like the full on experience, you know? - I mean, I prefer- - I don't want someone, yeah, I'd rather have a full on experience than someone just fucking paraphrasing it to me in a shit way. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I'm tired as fuck. So we're gonna end this episode right now. I hope you guys enjoyed this. - You know who's not tired as fuck though? Our patrons. - They're not tired of supporting us yet. Look at these great patrons on the screen. - They're hustling and bustling. They're on that grind. - Look at these great people right here. - I bet if they traded my Pokemon cards to me, they wouldn't be a little bitch about it and ask for them back.

- I bet they don't post attack on Titan spoilers on Twitter publicly. - Yeah, don't do that please. - Appreciate it. - But hey, if you wanna support us, then make sure to go to patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, the subreddit. And if you wanna listen to our audio stuff, go over to Spotify. - Yeah, and I think that's basically everything, right? - I think that's it. - Who wants to do the outro today?

- Didn't we just do the outro? Was that not the outro? That was an outro, was it not? - No, the final say. - Yeah, the final say. - Okay, bye. - What do you mean we did an outro? - That was the most flaccid outro I've ever heard in my life. - I am flaccid, Garnt.