TRASH TASTE GOES VIRTUAL (ft. @Ironmouse ) | Trash Taste #261
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- We did it! We did it! - We are filming this episode in mocap, in virtual, so we can move and move around. - As you can probably tell from just clicking on this video, we look a little bit different. - Yeah, we do look a little bit different. - What? - No, we look exactly the same. What are you talking about? - Joey, how, how, look. - Don't touch my fat head. - Let me, let me, no, stop.

Touch tips for me, man. No, stop. High five me. High five me. Connor, stop flipping through the table. Let me in on this. Okay, sorry, sorry. Back to my seat. Back to my seat. So yeah, obviously you guys know the trash taste policy, technically speaking, even though we never really decided upon it, is the guest needs to be there in actuality. But we thought, you know what? We'll make an exception for Mouse because you guys have been asking for her to come onto the show. And here she is in all of her glory. Oh my God.

Guys we did it. How's it feel to finally be here mouse? I feel like I'm babysitting Mom's coming to pick up the kids right now. Yeah, it does feel like we've walked into like the wrong anime Yeah, I didn't get the dress code. Yeah

- You know when an anime has like a super high res render and then it's just like the 3D monsters by their side. That's kinda like what we did with my friend. - It's the Final Fantasy concept off versus Final Fantasy VII in game. - Or like when it cuts to the 3D like monsters. That's us, we're the 3D monsters. You're the main character. - Yeah, we're the PS1 renders.

I don't understand why they gave Joey and Garn such good clothes and then they gave you your normal clothes. What the heck? I look so good. Even in the virtual world, he's got one shirt. I'm so happy I get to bring back my Sasuke haircut with this. Yeah, I get to bring back my fuckboy hair. It's awesome. I'm not the anime zone with this, though. I'm pretty sure I'm the anime boy. We're both anime boys today, Joey. Yeah, we are anime boys today. That is true.

Have you guys ever been in a mocap suit? No, this is my first time.

I can tell. What do you mean you can tell, Joey? What does that mean? We're all playing around fucking around. Yeah, of course we are. Of course we are. I've been in one once. This guy. This guy being like, wow. You think you're the pro. No, no, no. I've been in one once. And funnily enough, it was also a collab with a VTuber, which was. Was it? Which one was it? With Kizuna Ai? Yeah, it was with Kizuna Ai like seven years ago, whenever it was.

I watched that. Yeah. They gave me like a... I look like a... The only way to describe it is I look like, you know, the very first like Miis on the Wii. It was like that, but instead of giving me like the round head, they gave me like a cube head. How many years ago was this? Seven years ago, maybe. It was when I first... It was like maybe the first year I moved to Japan. Oh, wow. Yeah. Sorry, Mouse, when you started VTubing, was it around the same time? Because it was... How long ago was it now? Uh...

This year will be my eighth year of V-tailing. So when you started Kizuna, I was already pretty big. Yeah, she was already huge. She was the one that inspired me. But I just thought, I was like, oh, well, she's doing it. She's probably using this expensive thing. I'm poor. I'm poor.

Can't do that. Well, I think it changed pretty quick, though. I don't think it was... Was she using mocap the whole time? Yeah. Yeah, she started off with mocap. Oh, wow. So that's like Hollywood. The live 2D stuff came afterwards. Oh, right, yeah. Because she wasn't streaming. She was only doing YouTube videos. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Back in the day. Back in the OG day. I was watching it closely. Just in case our audience doesn't know who you are, Malice, even though I'm pretty sure most of them do, do you want to introduce yourself to our audience? Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. Um, hi! It's me, Iron Mouse! I'm a demon Vtuber from Visojo, and I'm Connor's worst nightmare. Well, that's pretty true. That's pretty true, to be fair. So, keep it on theme. I want to know, since you're such good friends with Connor, what is his worst take? - What is the take that Connor... - I'm starting with this. - We're getting into this already? - I said yes. I'm going straight into it with this one. - Alright. - What is the take that keeps you up at night? - All of them. - All of them.

What's the one that stands out though? The one that stands out the most, that we fought on the most? Man, we fight a lot though, so I don't know. God, how do I pick just one taste? Yeah, right? Yeah, how do I pick just one? It's just everything he says is wrong. There's the food poisoning, there's the cleaning his toilet with his hands, tuna on pizza.

- Wait, when did you say that? - I like tuna on pizza. - What? - You don't know this? - It's fucking disgusting, Connor. You need to stop this. - I think you've seen me eat it. When we went to-- - I think I would remember seeing you eat tuna on pizza, Connor. - He was literally sitting next to me. You were sitting next to me. - Where were we? Tell me where we were. - We were in Switzerland and we got the worst pizza I'd ever had in my life. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I got a tuna pizza. But then I tried to fold the pizza to take a bite and it was like,

trying to fold like the Rosetta Stone. It was like so brittle. It didn't fold. So I was like, and it was tuna on pizza. And I was sitting right next to you eating. This must be so traumatic that I've just like blanked it out from my memory. It's just like PTSD for me. I'm literally sitting next to him. All he does is eat tuna on pizza. He orders it all the time. And we'll be streaming his number on pizza. And I'm like,

- No. - Why are you laughing at me? - It's pretty dire ball. - Why, it's good. - I mean. - Have you actually had it? - I had it with you in Switzerland.

I don't think you had the tuna pizza. Yeah, I had a slice. Oh, you didn't like it? No, it was fine. Was that also pizza? That sucked. That pizza sucked. Yeah, it was barely a pizza. It was like cardboard. Yeah. It's good. Also, I just assumed it was a Japan thing because when I hear seafood on pizza or seafood on pasta, I'm like, must be a Japan thing. If you go to Italy, it's like a thing that they have and they serve. It's like a normal thing. Tuna with onions. It's called al tonno. Did you say pasta with seafood is a Japan thing?

- No, no, not pasta. - Pizza, pizza. - Oh, okay, I was gonna fucking say. Maybe I did say pasta on pizza. - Oh, we got it, we got it in the back. - Okay, okay, let's see this. - See, it's called al tonno. Look at this thing, it looks amazing. Why wouldn't you want it? 'Cause then the tuna gets baked slightly. Mouse, you'll like this, really. - It didn't look like that in Switzerland. - It didn't look this good, no.

- I don't know. - Look at this. - No, I'm on your side, Mouse. - That one actually looks fire. - Thank you, thank you, Lauren. - No, Mouse, because it gets baked slightly, so then it kind of becomes, it's not wet like it normally would be. It's really nice, dry, and it works with the tomato. - No. - What do you mean no? You haven't tried it. Have you tried it? You haven't tried it, so I wanna hear it. - No, no, I haven't tried it.

And I won't. Some things just don't need to be tried. I don't know. What do you mean? That looks good. Come on. I just don't understand. Why is it that you have to eat such gross things all the time? I literally don't. It's fish. It's not even that bad. You drink non-alcoholic.

I don't want to hear it. Yeah, that is true. That is actually insane. We all like the non-alcoholic beer. What is the point of drinking non-alcoholic beer? I'm going to go under the table for this. I hate it. It's these two. Dom loves it too. You're drinking non-alcoholic beer too?

These two like non-alcoholic beer. I can't stand it. What is the point of drinking it? Thank you. That's what I'm saying. You like the taste of beer. It's like drinking decaf coffee. There's no point. Thank you. There was literally a point in decaf coffee. What are you saying? There is no point. This is so ignorant. No, because you want decaf coffee because people like the taste of coffee. Are you kidding?

- You are ignorant and oblivious and a fool. You, because people like the taste of coffee. So they want to have coffee, you know, in their- - I like the taste of coffee, but there's no point in drinking coffee if it doesn't have caffeine in it. - There absolutely is. What the fuck? - Nah, I'm with Mouse on this one. I have to agree. I'm not gonna drink coffee if I'm not getting the fucking caffeine kick. - Thank you, Joey. - But I like the taste of beer more than I like the taste of coffee.

You know? Yeah, but I like the taste of beer because it gets me fucked up. I like the taste of beer. That used to be... If you ask me in university, Joey...

But I don't know, something about the feeling of- - Why do you like the taste of beer? - Okay, I think it's like a, almost like a Pavlovian thing sometimes where, you know, sometimes you finish a hard day of work, you're just, sometimes you're just used to having like a cold beer, but as you age up, sometimes you don't feel like getting drunk every time, but you want that feeling of having

having like a cold beer as like a reward after work. And you just crack open a non-alcoholic beer, does the job. - He gets it. - After a long hard day, I'm getting fucked up on a beer. It's the perfect time. It's the perfect time to get drunk. - If I could, I would. - Yeah, it's the perfect time to get drunk.

What do you mean? When else are you gonna be- - I just don't see it. I don't see the point. Like why do it if it doesn't fuck you up? You know what I mean? - Thank you. - I don't wanna get fucked up all the time. That's not the point. - Well then don't drink it. Drink something else. Drink sparkling water. - I just feel like you're being ignorant here 'cause I, you know, Mouse likes Sprite a lot. I don't really like Sprite that much. - I love Sprite. - I would never be like, "Why would you drink Sprite? It tastes like piss. It tastes like angry water with like a lemon- - I'm sorry.

I would argue that people say that beer tastes like piss. No one says that literally no one has said that ever Do you actually don't like sprites okay, okay? I'm not being a contrarian. I'm just saying it on purpose. He does it on purpose. I

- Sprite is not mid, come on. - It's mid. - Sprite is not mid. - Is this gonna be the whole conversation? Just people attacking me for things that I like and don't like? - Pretty much, I mean this is Mouse's episode so we can let her lead with the conversations and I think what she wants to lead with is-- - Do you like 7up? - 7up's good too. I just don't think lemonade's that great. - What? - Did you grow up with lemonade? - Sprite is not lemonade.

Sprite is lemonade. No, Sprite is lemonade. What? Sprite is not lemonade. Sprite is not lemonade. No, it's not. What? Sprite is lemon lime. Kai, look it up. It's like a lemonade. It's a lemonade with lime. It is not like a lemonade.

Oh, wait, whoa. Sprite is not a lemonade. What the fuck? No, Sprite is not a lemonade, but the first Reddit post says, there is no difference between lemonade and Sprite. Connor, I found your alt. That person's tongue is broken. Let me look at it. Look at this guy. Look at this guy on Reddit.

This is a smart guy on Reddit over here, okay? It tastes the fucking same. That's Connor's old account. This sounds exactly the way Connor would write it. Okay, it tastes the fucking same. One may have a little less sugar than the other. It's too small. You can't taste the difference. Oh, I know. Anyone who complains about it is pretentious. This might be my old account because it says, apparently in America, they're two completely different drinks, but in my country, parentheses Australia.

Yeah, because, okay, because I don't know how it is in the UK, right? But if you go to a restaurant and ask for a lemonade, more likely than not, they'll bring out a Sprite.

- No. - No. - What is this misinformation you're spreading, Joey? - Is this an Australia thing? - How dare he talk about our country being like, "Yeah, you bring Sprite, all right?" - No, I prefaced it by saying, I don't know about the UK. - Okay, okay. - But in Australia, at least in my experience, if you ask for a lemonade, they'll bring out a Sprite.

- Are you sure you just can't taste the difference? There's that as well. It's a fucking lemonade, right? - If someone was like, "Do you want a lemonade and hand me a Sprite?" I'd be like, "That makes sense." - Yeah. - That counts. - Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. - I wouldn't complain. - Okay. When we're speaking lemonade, right? - Yeah, but just... - Yeah. - But this is not like... - Are we talking like Schweppes lemonade? - No. - Like the fizzy one?

- Oh, I don't know. - A lot of Schweppes lemonade. - Schweppes? What's a Schweppes? - Oh, you guys don't have Schweppes in America, do you? - Can you Google it? - That's how I know you don't drink alcohol. - Yeah. - I don't drink alcohol, Conor. - Schweppes is like, normally used as like a mixer for like alcohol beverages. - Yeah, so when I think lemonade, that's what-- - And don't drink alcohol. - When I see lemonade, that's what I think about, which-- - Yeah, but okay, Garnt, but you can't tell me that if I blindfolded you right now, I put a Schweppes lemonade and a Sprite in front of you that you'd be able to taste the difference.

- Actually I would, Joey. - Fuck off. - Actually I would. - You would not. - Actually I would. - It does not taste the same. - You would not. No fucking way, dude. I'm sorry, Joey. Nah, you would not. I'll put money on it. Oh man, I'm so sorry for dueling this conversation almost immediately. - I don't even know what we're supposed to be talking about. - But Mouse, how have you been? - Good, how have you been? - Been good.

This has been a long time coming, but before we get to that, I just want to thank you because this technically is the second time we've been on something Trash Taste related. Because you were a part of the After Dark stream. And I don't remember much of that stream because we were kind of like getting too delirious mode. I don't know if you remember much of that stream, but I am very thankful that you kept me up.

Uh, for like, what was it? Five hours while these two were passed out? I think the VOD is- We rotated, we rotated. Yeah, I think the VOD was seven and a half hours. Was it actually? Oh my god. Something like that. It's like the longest video we've ever uploaded. I'm gonna be honest, I don't really remember. I think I was very, very intoxicated.

Okay. Too much sprite. Too much medication. Yeah, too much sprite. But you also talked about your love of older animes, right? Yes. You got like boomer tastes in anime. What the? Yeah, so? You have boomer tastes in anime? I do, I do.

So you admit it. Yeah, but that can mean a lot of things. Because I grew up with my brother. Because, like, when I hear Boomer Tasting Anime, I hear my tasting anime now. Joey's tasting anime. Wait, wait, wait. What is your idea of your taste slash Boomer Taste? Late 90s to early 2000s. Yes, yes. Are we on the same page with that? Is that where... Yeah, I think we're on

I mean boomer obviously has changed the meaning. Boomer has changed a lot. It just means old person. Yeah. It's quote unquote boomer. Yeah. So what are some of your favorite anime then? Well, I love Sailor Moon. I'm named after a Sailor Moon character. I always forget that. Yeah, that's right. I always forget you're named after a Sailor Moon character. It's true.

Yeah. I mean, I remember ages ago, I did a video where I asked a bunch of VTubers for their MyAnimeList, and obviously I asked Mouse for hers. Oh, God, you saw it. Yeah, and I rated it in a video, and I think there was like 20 or 30 10 out of 10s, and more than half were just every single season of Sailor Moon. Yeah.

Listen, 10 out of 10 because I enjoyed it. Did it make me happy? Yes. Did I have a good time watching it? Yes. Then it's a 10 out of 10. What made you want to name yourself after a Sailor Moon character?

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Yeah, it does. Yeah, I guess the same energy. Same gremlin energy. Yeah. What? What do you mean same gremlin energy? She looks like a gremlin. Someone drew fan of me and her together and I was like, man, I should cosplay her one day. You may as well. Or maybe the lawyers will come knocking if you do. When I was a kid, everybody called me mouse growing up because I'm small. Okay. I'm four foot ten. Right? Okay. And I'm...

I liked Sailor Moon and I was like, oh, that character is so cute. I like hyper fixated on her. So I was like, okay, well. Yeah. Iron Mouse. Fair enough. I didn't think about it. So how did you actually get started in VTubing? Because I don't think I've ever heard that story before. Long, long time ago.

Once upon a time. No, I, you know, I started VTubing because I was, you know, lonely. I think like most of us can like agree that we started doing stuff because we're like, I just want to make friends online.

I'm lonely and I have no friends. You know? But I saw keys in an eye and I was like, oh man, I wish I could do that because I really wanted to stream, but I had horrible anxiety because I didn't want people to see me on camera because

Because I'm sick in real life and I'm like attached to like medical devices and stuff So I I was like man I just really don't wanna I don't want to be on stream and have somebody like every five minutes come in like what the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? What's wrong with you? No, they wouldn't ask they would just call me horrible names and make me know no they wouldn't oh

I mean, the internet... What? Are you serious? No, the internet do be internetting. They're so nice, though. They're, like, really understanding. I feel like Connor, like...

He lives in like delusional land where he thinks that like everybody's nice to women. Okay. I don't think that. I'm not nice to women. I'm a woman, I'm disabled, and I'm Latina. Those are three horrible things. Horrible? Is being Latina horrible? According to the internet, yes. Okay, okay, okay. This is a trifecta. But anyway, I think they're lovely things, so whatever. Yeah, yeah.

No, but no, that's understandable. Yeah, I didn't want to be on camera, so... But I thought that like... I thought like VTuber was like an exclusive thing to Kizuna Ai. And I thought, oh man, I'm too poor. I can't afford whatever she's working with. There's no way. And then a friend of mine was like, hey, you know, there's like this software called FaceRig and...

You can do an enemy character. I remember you started off with Face Rig because I remember I started off with Face Rig. Because I used Face Rig before as well for When? I have your videos, right? I have two videos. Wait, you little

- Yeah, I remember there was the people who'd use the raccoon model, right, on stream. Like that was a big thing. - Yeah, like the little dog. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh, that was, that was it. - There was a raccoon default model that came with the software people would always stream with. There was a couple of streams that were kind of big with it. - 'Cause it came with some default models for FaceRig.

But I used Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I use face rig once for the twice actually for two videos videos, huh? No, it was I think I think name is is the mega bill Yeah, Megamini was in there. You know, I think it's like your wife who doesn't exist or something like that. Yeah, and it was basically just the Megumin avatar

No, I got... So... It was an app. I remember this because I also got... I made a video about this app as well. It was this Megumin app... Oh, I remember that app! ...that you could talk with. Basically, it was kind of like ChatGPT before ChatGPT was a thing. Yeah. Where you could talk to Megumin. I think it's blocked in Japan.

Yeah, probably. Unfortunately. But it was a scripted video using their, I think their default avatar, anime girl avatar. And it was just me voicing this girl. And that was it. That was just me playing around with FaceRig. The first VTuber. Yeah, the happy bum.

I remember the face rig app had like this blue haired girl. She kind of looked like Hatsune Miku or something. Like a knock off Hatsune Miku. There was this blue haired girl and there was this orange haired girl as well. Yeah! Oh my god. Blast from the past. Oh my god. Remembering it all. So you started out doing face rig? How long were you on face rig then? I did. Until you swapped to Live2D. And Live2D is the one that everyone uses now, right? No.

Yeah, everybody uses VTube Studio. It kind of like, Facebook kind of like died and they were like, wow, so many people are becoming VTubers and using our app. So they decided to create a new app with a paywall with like, I was like, fuck this, I'm out. What is this? You know, and thankfully somebody made VTube Studio Denji and it was just, wow, great.

Amazing. Because what I want to know is like the VTube world has evolved so much, obviously in the time you've been doing VTubing, you know, there's so many like artists and riggers now and, you know, so many people in the industry. But when you were starting off, how did you go about getting your first avatar made or even entering the VTubing world?

Oh my god. I- So I used like free models for- for a long time. I would rotate different models because I was just doing it for fun. Like I just wanted to make friends and stuff and I- like for like the first couple years like I just had like

Five ten people watching me 15 I was like I just want to hang out and just like talk shit with my friends and just like talk to people online and And that's it and I could barely stream anyway because at the time I was so like really sick and I wasn't making any money from streaming cuz it was just like a hobby so I would only stream like 30 minutes one hour two hours and

Which, to me, it's like nothing now. But back then, it was like, holy shit, I streamed for one hour, I feel like I'm gonna die. But then, like, after a while, um, I thought, you know, maybe I should, like, start taking this seriously, and, um, I had, like, uh,

I barely ever talk about this because it makes me uncomfortable, but I had like people like bullying me and doing some really like fucked up shit to me. So I was like, I think I'm just going to make my own character and I'm just going to take this seriously and I'm going to see where this takes me. So I...

sat down and I did the concept art for Iron Mouse and oh my god, it was so hard finding somebody to make my model because at the time no one shared who made their models. No one would talk about it. There was no crediting the model artist. Everybody would like keep it like hush hush and I would I remember asking several VTubers that you know

I was like hey, who made your mom like oh, I can't tell you what the fuck okay? That's fine. I try to be a nice to me. Yeah, I was here. You know that when yeah when they don't share like how they did something how they learn it's it's like It was just like so much of our job is built on

shared information that already existed. How many YouTube tutorials have you watched that have helped you out? And then to then turn around and be like, no, I don't want to share what I learned. It's like, dude, you wouldn't be here if it weren't for all the other people who are willing to share what they've learned. So don't be an ass about it. So I hate it when people do that. And also then you're just not giving people credit. Yeah, it was just kind of messed up.

Yeah, that sucks. And because everybody was, no one was sharing, no one wanted to. So I just started going through the FaceRig Steam workshop and I started seeing who was making avatars. And I was like, oh, well, here's a model that I've used quite a bit. And I emailed this Japanese person through Gmail and I went through this translation app and I was like, okay, I need to make sure that they understand what I'm saying. And I sent them a message and I'm like, this, I,

doubt that they're ever gonna talk to me or they're ever gonna answer me but let's see and I sent them a message and then they answered me back and they're like sure I'll make you a model like damn and they did and that was my first model artist and I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for them so thank you shout out to you I forgot I don't know what you're talking about shout out to you random Japanese person things move too fast it happens it happens

Shout out to that one Japanese bro. I just don't know their name anymore. I don't know their name anymore. Oh, God. Sorry, when did it start changing then where people would start, like, actually crediting their VTuber, like, models? I know now, like, if you don't credit them on Twitter or something, like, in your bio, it's kind of, like, frowned upon, right? Or something? Yeah, definitely. Like, when did that change? Yup.

I think everything started changing once like Hololive and like Nijisanji and Shopee. Oh, okay. Because they started crediting and then everybody in the indie scene was like, "Well, I guess we have to credit too then." God damn it, I have to credit people? God damn Corpos, ruining for everyone. So you said you designed your first avatar yourself. I did.

what thought process goes behind that? 'Cause me personally, I've never designed an OC. - Yeah, I've never done it. Here's my OC. - I've never done it either. - Joey, Joey, Joey, can you say the same? - I never had that. - Yeah, Joey? - I never had that. - Never had that at all, Joey? - Never had that. I don't know what you're talking about. - Are you sure? - Never had that. I don't know what you're talking about. - Do you have a deep intel account, Joey? - I used to, but...

I deactivated it many years ago. Well, you're a pretty good artist as well, so you drew it, right? Me? Yeah. No, who else am I talking to? You said that I'm a good artist? Well, yeah, you do good artwork, right? I do, but I just draw stuff that people don't want to look at. Yeah, so did Picasso, but we're looking now. Yeah. I think you just described it. Yeah, I did. I love it.

I did. I drew my own concept art. I sat down with myself and I was like, "What do I want to be?" And I was very close to becoming a bunny girl Vtuber, but I was like, "Man, I just don't feel like that." And I have like... I grew up in a Catholic house. So I grew up with the whole like obsession with angels, demons, the devil, all this stuff. So I was like, "You know what? I think I'm just gonna be a demon."

I think I'm just gonna be Satan. - Grew up in a Catholic household. - How about I just be Satan, actually? - Yeah, so that is my visual persona. I am Satan. Oh, also, I just remember the name of the person who did my first model, Ketama. Ketama, shout out to Ketama. I feel bad never crediting artists. - Shout out, Ketama. - Yes, Ketama!

- So do you have a DiviNtar account, Mouse? - No. - You don't? You've never had one? - Nah, she definitely does. - No, no. - I would only ever do like traditional art. So like I've never done digital art. So I never had a DiviNtar 'cause I always felt like, oh, people who do DiviNtar just do like digital art and I don't do that. I draw suffering anime girls with like nosebleeds and like their heads chopped off.

Did I ever tell you guys my story with Sydney's DeviantArt account? What? Okay, I guess I haven't then. Oh my god, okay. Wait, what? So, Sydney... Sydney...

- This was way back when, this was like back in her Fullmetal Alchemist days. - Wait, she had a Fullmetal Alchemist day? - Oh, no, no, no, no. She was obsessed with Edward Elric. To be fair, this was in middle school, right? - I mean, who wasn't though? - The perfect time, by the way, to get into it. - She was obsessed with Edward Elric in middle school apparently and she had a Dementar calendar. - Okay.

- I don't like where this is going. - I don't like where this is going. - Sydney being the normal, socially, you know, normal upstanding citizen that she was when she was in middle school. - Okay. - She would draw fan pictures of her making out with Edward. - Oh my God.

Oh my god. Do you have to show me those? No, no, no. I cannot show you, right? Why? Because fast forward, fast forward, like, you know,

Fast forward all the years when I meet Sydney, right? And I get to know some of her friends. She had forgotten that this DeviantArt exists. - No. - So I'm in a call with one of her friends. And this is just before, this was before we started dating, but we're still speaking.

- And obviously we had an interest in each other, but I was talking to a friend and she was in the call. And he was like, yo, you wanna see something funny? - No, that's brutal. - Link's Sydney's DeviantArt account. - Oh my God.

And I get the full view of her entire DeviantArt history. - When we say making out, how hot, I want to know deets. - You want to know deets? - How hot, how hot? - Are we talking like tongue and everything? - We're talking like fucking- - Mario and Sonic making out. - Yeah, Mario and Sonic making out.

Hell yeah. But... You know what? Good on Sydney. Good on Sydney. I mean, personally, she...

Was very embarrassed That I specifically Got to see it Yeah And she immediately deleted it Don't even into her account Aww That's sad But I I still view it As a very fond memory A very funny memory But a very very fond memory Hey look You can't Look In my opinion If you're an anime fan From your teens You cannot Go through Your teen years As an anime fan Without having those Like really fucking Awkward moments With anime

- Yeah. - Yeah. - It's just facts. - I mean, I didn't. - Okay, all right. - You didn't, Mouse? Who asked? - You're lying. You're lying so much. - You must be lying. You are absolutely lying. You're a Sailor Moon fan. Of course you went through that phase. Did you not have a childhood anime crush? 'Cause I swear every female friend I have- - Sydney's was Edward. What was yours, Mouse? - My anime crush? - Yeah.

- 'Cause I remember another friend of mine was like, had this total like phase with, what's that guy from Inuyasha? - Sesshomaru. - Sesshomaru, oh my God. I found her old Crunchyroll account and it was, she had made like a tribute to Sesshomaru. Everyone has this dark history. - I mean look, Sesshomaru would. - Yeah. - 100% would. - Do you remember who you had a crush on, Mouse?

I mean, I guess like Mamoru from Sailor Moon, but like see I just like, I don't know. I mean, that's the problem with Sailor Moon is that there are, there's like one dude. Yeah. Isn't Tuxedo Mask? Yeah, Mamoru. Oh, he's Mamoru? Yeah. I wouldn't be honest bro, I like Sailor Uranus better. I was gonna say, I'm like, I was gonna say like, were you like a Sailor Uranus, Sailor Neptune fan?

Yeah, yeah. That was me. That was me. The girls, you know? I never watched it. I feel like I missed out. Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune awoke me to my, like, lesbian side. Joey, Joey. How can you be a lesbian? No, no, no. As in, like, my interest to, like...

- The way you worded that, Joey. - No, no, no, no. - What are you saying? - No, I didn't look at that and be like, maybe I'm a lesbian. 'Cause you know, I watched that when I was, fuck, when did that come out? I probably watched that when I was,

13, 14, something like that when that came out. And, you know, unlike in the West where it changed to cousins. What? What? Yeah, you didn't know that? What? Yeah, they made them cousins. They made them cousins in the US version. Because lesbians. Doesn't that make it worse? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Maybe for the Alabama region. Yeah, maybe for, yeah, Alabama was like, yeah. Was this localized in the South? Um,

- Yeah, probably Texas. - Texas. - Checked out. - Nah, they ain't fucking new crushes. - Yeah, so there was no signs of that at all in the first season of Sailor Moon, right? It was all just like everyone was like, "Oh, Mamoru."

But then Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune come out and they're like really close and I'm like, you know 13 year old 14 year old me is like what's going on? Like they're really really close and then when And then there's that one scene where their first kiss and I was just like Wait they kiss? Wait they kiss and they made them cousins? Yeah There was like this hand holding scene

Dancing with their hands, like their hands, they were doing like these weird like hand movements and it's like, oh yeah, they're cousins. And it's just like, cousins do not do that. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking. I've never done that with my cousin. No. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they changed that. But I'm pretty sure I'm not the only kid though who grew up with that scene in Sailor Moon and was like, oh, hold on, girl on girl. It's kind of hot.

- I'm trying to think of- - I think we can all agree as straight guys, girl on girl stuff is pretty hot. - I do think girl on girl stuff is pretty hot. - Am I wrong in assuming that? - And I'm not a guy. - Yeah, you're not even a guy, Mouse, and you agree, girl on girl stuff can be pretty goddamn hot. - I agree. - It's embarrassing. When I was like 13,

I thought it was like, it was like, 'cause you know, you're so self-conscious about how you're being like perceived and how you perceive yourself. - Sure. - You know, when you go on the internet and you search things up, I was like, I thought it was gay to watch a guy having sex with a woman. I was like, that's so gay. I was like, I don't wanna look a dick, I'm not gay. So I would like, I would Google like girl on girl, 'cause I'm definitely straight. I'm definitely straight. I don't wanna see no pee pee, no.

Because you're a fucking dumb teenager. That's what you think is like right. Oh my God, you were so dumb. Sorry. Oh my God, you just fucking, you just fucking unlocked a core memory of mine of like the first time. Yeah, sorry. We're going to, we're going to really off topic. You've seen enough trash days, man. You know how it goes. But, um,

That reminded me of the first time that... Fuck, how old was I? I was probably like also 13. Man, a lot of shit happened when I was 13 or 14. So it's a very formative era. Yeah, totally. But it was the first time where... I think it was just around the time when kind of...

sharing Bluetooth videos via phone was like a big thing. And like, I remember, yeah, scary maze and like just the most low quality videos. The one with the car going down. Yeah. Yeah. And then it's the screaming. But of course, you know, as a 13, 14 year old boy and also me who went to an all boys school,

you're gonna start sharing porn, like really low grade porn with one another. You always got it from like a, you always got it from like a, if you were in like year eight, year nine. - Tell me you came from an all boys school without telling me you came from an all boys school. - It's like if you're in like year eight, year nine. - You guys act like that's just exclusive to guys. Girls did it too. - Girls did it too? Okay, I'm glad. - I feel like they were as willing to share though, surely. I don't know. I don't know what's going in Puerto Rico. I don't know.

No, but I remember specifically like there was like one dude, it was like on the bus. It was in the back of the bus with his like fucking Motorola Razr phone thing. And he was like, guys, check this out. And he starts playing this like 120p porn video. And of course all the guys are like gathered around it and we're all watching it. And then I specifically remember it was like near the end where the guy, I guess it's just, there's this shot

Where it's just the girl and everyone's like, yeah, okay. It's pretty sick, really cool. And then for some reason in this porn, there's this scene... There's this shot where the camera for some reason pans up to the dude's face as he's nutty. What the fuck? And it was just like... It's just like...

I'm like, first of all, as a porn director, that's just a bad- - No, the camera knew what he was doing. - I'm like, you completely missed the money shot. And for some reason, just zooming in on this dude's face, just going, "Oh!" And all of us in the back of the bus are just like, "We gay now."

We just watched that. Well, you're just so, you know, because I felt like we were all told such dumb things when we were growing up. Of course. So you're always like, I'm so worried about this. This is so stupid. Yeah. Kids are impressionable. Sorry, Mouse, for subjecting you to that conversation. Yes. Uh...

- I completely forgot what we were talking about. VTubing? - Yeah, we were talking about crediting VTubes, how that changed, how life blew it all up. I guess, so you started doing, and you said you were trying to make it serious. When did you feel like it was actually becoming a bit more serious? Was there a moment where you were like, "Oh, I feel like this is actually a full job I can pursue."

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Like when I got my first model, like for real, for real. I feel like that's when everything really started. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. I had like my first dream and I'm like, oh my God, this is me. It was weird because like,

When you become a Vtuber, there's that moment when you look at yourself in your monol and you see yourself and you're like "Holy shit, this is me." Yeah, that's what I feel right now. And that you have like... a connection, you know? It's me for real. Oh, please! That's me right here. Yeah, Connor's never had a Vtuber avatar. No, no, he's never had a Vtuber avatar. Never. Never. No. First time. Never in his life. No. This feels right.

I like the full body of motion. I was there for his Vtuber debut. Oh yeah, I did a Vtuber debut. Yeah, how did you forget? You did, and I was there. Well no, 'cause that was very different, 'cause I'd hired three different people on Fiverr to do it. Oh, I remember this video. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was not very good. It's not the best. No, no, the final one was good. Yeah, it was good, I guess just the rigging was not good. Yeah, but how many years ago was that? Yeah, true.

For the time, it was good. It was okay. And also at that time, I didn't know how much this stuff should cost. So I think I ended up spending like $1,500 on that, which now I think is quite low for a good model. But I guess back then, that was kind of like, I don't know, that felt like a lot back then. I don't know what the standard was. I mean, $1,500 is still a lot of money. You don't want to know how much I spend.

Well, I know you spend like the GDP of like Lichtenstein on your models, but how much did you spend on that first model? Do you remember like roughly or like the range? My first model cost me a thousand five hundred, I think? Oh my god. So the same as you. Yeah, same as you Connor. By the way, by the way, I got that model. I saved up for a year for that model. Oh damn.

And there you go, look at you now. It took me a year to get that money. That was an investment though. And I was like, I can finally pay to get it. Yeah. Yeah. I was just like, I can't believe I'm spending this on that. Like, I was like, I can't tell my mom this. She's going to kill me. Because at the time, you know.

You spent $1500 on what? I'm a sick girl, you know? Well yeah, because I'm like struggling with my meds and stuff and here I am spending money on a fucking VTuber model and if my mom were to find out she'd kill me and I'm like, oh god. So I was like, I really hope that like this works out. Yeah, but your mom eventually found out, right? What did she say? Oh yeah, when did your mom find out? When did my mom find out? My mom officially found out I was a VTuber when I got my first Twitch check.

When I got it, I'll never forget because it was the most money I've ever seen in my life I've never seen that much money in my entire life and I went to my mom and I was like I'm paying all the bills. Oh Yeah Yeah, I got all the bills and then she was like she was like where where did you get this money? I'm like

I got it on the internet. She was like, "What are you doing on the internet?" You couldn't have said it in any more of a sus way. "I got this money from the internet." Yes, strangers just kept sending me money. Well, the first thing she thought was like, "Are you doing..." Well, she thought I was doing something that she didn't expect me to do. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh, Jerry got it. In her mind, she was like, "You can't do that. You're sick."

Oh no. God damn. And then I was like, "Mom, don't worry, I'm not doing that. I'm VTubing." And she was like, "Que Heso? What is VTubing?" "Que que Heso?" And I'm like, "Oh well." I had to try to explain to her, but she didn't understand what it was. And then the second thing she asked me was, "Is this legal? Are we gonna get in trouble?" Yeah, I guess it is just a completely different world if you think about it. 'Cause like, yeah, God, have you ever tried to explain to your parents what VTubing is?

I mean, I had to eventually. I don't know when I had that conversation with them, but they were like, what is this Iron Mouse thing? What is this Iron Mouse thing?

- Is this like an AI or something? What is this? - Yeah, they always say that. The first time I showed my Kizuna AI collab to my mom, she was like, "So is she like AI or like, what is she?" And I'm like, "She's just a Japanese woman in a mocap suit." She's like, "What, how does that work?" - Yeah, 'cause I think for a lot of people, my parents' age, our parents' age, I think it was like kind of,

to explain YouTube to begin with. Oh, yeah. And so they were like, well, I guess it makes, like it took them a couple of years to get their head around it. But yeah, they were like, yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. And then this is like a whole new thing where they're like, okay, I don't understand any of this. Like the tech is confusing. So I think that's like what was probably had to be explained. Sure. Which I'm sure maybe you had like tenfold of like,

here's what it is, here's what people are watching, here's why I'm getting paid for it. That's like a lot of steps to go through.

I basically told my mom, like my mom understands it's like I'm a doll on the internet and I do a little show and that's what she thinks in her mind. In her mind she thinks that like everybody who is online, who's an online content creator, I told you this before Connor where she's like, when I tell her, oh I told my mom about Connor and I told my mom about my other VTuber friends, she's like, oh what's wrong with them? And I'm like, what are you reading? What's wrong with them? What's wrong with them?

Disease do they have because there's no reason why somebody would be home making money on the computer if they weren't sick with a debilitating disease He's got that uh Connor officially has that goopy goblin gamer brain. There's a lot wrong with me. I don't know So I have to explain to her mom, you know, these people are normal sure there's people that are sick like me but most of the people that I interact with yeah, okay

I mean, okay, they're normies. Yeah. Yes. And I'm like, most of the people that interact with our healthy people, they're fine. And she's like, that is very interesting. Why would healthy people need to do this?

My parents She didn't think that it could be like a career path that people could choose and now you know yeah, she's changed her mind I think it's like There's like way more TV and overproduced stuff people are looking for more like you know more personalized more kind of Authentic kind of content. I think that's why streamers have done so well. Yeah. Yeah, my dad also thought I was scamming people when I started I

- What? - He just assumed I was scamming people. - He's not wrong. - Well, considering your past corner, that actually does a prank call. - He assumed that because I was making money online, I was up to no good. He thought I was scamming. Maybe I would have been doing crypto rug pulls 10 years ago if that's where I got my introduction to the internet. But no, he was like, "You must be scamming people." I'm like, "No, no." - When did your parents find out you were doing YouTube?

Like how far into your career? - Like pretty quick. - Really? - Like fourth video. I was like, I'm doing this. 'Cause I made like five bucks. I was like, dude, check this shit out. I made five bucks. And they're like, what?

I'm like, videos? I'm going to go to the store and buy a Sprite. $5? Because I remember, maybe you guys remember this too, maybe you do as well, Mouse, but like, the first time you like, enable like, payment or like, earning money on YouTube or Twitch or whatever, the first day you check, like, nothing happens, right? You're like, ah, but it's been there for one day, come on. It takes like, two or three days to catch up normally. Yeah. And then like, when it finally showed like, $2.5, I was like,

"Yo, what the heck?" And then I got the phone, I was showing him, I was like, "Look, look at this, look at this." I was like, "Look, look, look, look." - Oh yeah, I didn't show my mom until I had that money in my bank.

What are these money yeah, I guess that makes sense I was just happy to share what about you

I don't even remember. I know it must have happened, but it was so late after I started doing YouTube. It was like five years after I started doing YouTube before my parents found out. Yeah. I think. Oh, wow.

And I'm trying to remember, 'cause I have this vague recollection of just telling them. And my mom's just like, "That's cool, that's cool. "You have a hobby." And I was like, "I make money from it as well." And she's like, "That's really, okay, okay. "Well, you should've started off with that actually." - South East Asian family. - Just Asian families.

Just Asian families in general. No, well, my mom too. My mom too. She was like very skeptical and stuff. But then the second she saw that I could pay bills and stuff, she was like, that's your little show.

So you saved up 1500 of the first model and like we did you feel like guilty when you were saving up the whole time you like I shouldn't be doing this like I shouldn't be like saving this money for this or was he were you like I gotta do this like I need this more than the meds like for me and

I felt bad. I did. I was like, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? Am I an idiot? Like, why? Who gives a shit? You know? I was just like...

This could all be over. Like, I could just, like, not stream ever again. And at the time, I was, like, going through something. And I think when I was getting that model, like, I even had, like, surgery around that time. I don't remember if it landed around, like, when I got the model or before. But I just remember, like, thinking, man, am I dumb? Like...

What am I thinking? But I'm glad that I did. I mean, best investment of your life. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah. It's just been a crazy ride since then. I just never expected any of this stuff to ever take off. And it's crazy. My first model, I got it at the end of 2019, beginning of 2020. Five years ago. I think the first day I got it, it was like...

Yeah, it was like December 2019, I think. Oh, that was just before we moved to... Because before that, I was just using free models. That makes sense. Is it still pretty common to start with a free model and then get your own VTuber avatar? I feel like there's a lot of pressure. I feel like there's a lot of pressure for people now to...

have a model. I've seen people like say debut coming 2026 and it's just like girl just start streaming. What are you doing? So far away. People waiting for their models. They think they have to like spend a lot for a model and I get it. You know, a lot of people think that the look is important and in a sense, yes, that is part of it. But it's like if you suck,

If you're not entertaining, you know, you can have a beautiful model, but if you don't like streaming and you're not having fun and you're not...

you know, engaging with people, like, it's going to be difficult. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. So it's like... I mean, I think it's exactly the same. I just think... I think it's exactly the same with, like, you know, when YouTubers start doing, you know, their YouTube channel. Like, oh, I'm going to start a YouTube channel. I have to buy, you know, the most expensive camera and the most expensive microphone. It's like, no, just... No.

- Just start. - Yeah, I've said this so many times, but like, you know. - It's an investment. Like, first and think if you like it. Stop and think if you like it. Try it out. Like, use a free model. And then if you really like it, then start investing in it, you know? Because there are people that I've met that like, they pay for the model and then they realize, "Oh man, I hate streaming. Nevermind." - Yeah. - Spent five grand on this. Fuck, I'm fucked. - Totally. - Yeah, I mean, like, you know,

Big streamers like Tyler Vaughn and stuff, he's like the worst setup known to man. And he's successful, right? You don't need good setups. And I think people get lost in that a lot when it comes to streaming or YouTube.

when ultimately it just comes down to being fun and engaging. I mean, how do you think the VTubing world has changed since you started? Because eight years ago, I mean, in internet terms, it's a very long time. Ancient. Yeah. Ancient, guys. It is ancient. An entire generation. Wow, thanks for reminding me I'm old. You're old.

I'm old. Oh, God. It's changed quite a bit. I feel like there's just so much pressure now to do specific stuff, to be a specific way, to have this incredible polished model and to just be perfect. And there's just so much pressure on debuting and all this stuff. When I started retubing, I didn't have a debut. I just started streaming. And now everything is like a debut. Everything has to be a big event and all this stuff. And it's like...

I think that's great, but it's a lot of pressure for somebody who's starting and it can be very stressful for somebody just like starting out and

Yeah, especially on the tech side of things as well. Oh my god, VTube has evolved. Oh god, yeah, there's just so many options now. I remember back then, it was just FaceRig, and now we have VTube Studio, but VTube Studio is so robust with features now, and people make stuff, like mods to put stuff in, and we have so many options for 3D. You don't have to have an expensive mocap studio to do 3D VTubing, which is amazing, I think. Yeah.

And it's just, I feel like in some ways it's more affordable and more accessible than ever, but then there's also the, the, uh, Expensiveness of it all too. So I feel like it's a lot of things. My models now are not cheap.

Yeah, it's true. But I do like being in the motion capture. It's fun, dude. I love walking around. I've had enough of sitting down for a bit. I'm going to stop for a little bit. Oh, God, they're jumping around. We've reached the part of the episode where...

I'm going to go on your side. They just want to play with their bodies. What the fuck? Excuse me? Being in mocap is fun. Guys, this is a podcast. We are podcasting, but we can move around. Hello, Spotify listeners. You're not seeing any of this right now. Yeah, Spotify listeners, you should probably hop onto the Trash Taste YouTube channel and check this out with visuals. Otherwise, you're just going to hear a bunch of grunting and movements. What's up? What's up?

By the way guys, I haven't had a chance to uh... I haven't had a chance to congratulate you on your cyclothon this year guys. Oh thank you, thank you. Yay! Yes! What was your favorite part of the cyclothon this year, Mouse? My favorite part? Mmm... All of it! The fact that I got to be on the bike.

Oh yeah, did you see that? We had Mouse on the bike. Oh, I missed that day. We had a rig made where we put an iPad on the front. Oh, cool. So we had an iPad. And the brand new iPad is really good, I guess, for Discord calls or something. I don't know what the tech is. Mouse would be even better than me. But yeah, we were just able to have Mouse on the bike. So we were talking while cycling and Mouse was singing. It was great. Oh, cool. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. I'm tired now, by the way.

Old man. All the cycling and now you're tired after a little bit of jumping? Well, okay, jumping is strenuous exercise. I don't know if you've ever been to a trampoline park. It gets tiring fast. That is true. No, I haven't been to a trampoline park. Thank you for reminding me I can't go. Okay, that's not my problem, just so you know.

So I heard on the days that I was on that you were laughing at the fact when I was questioning Connor for wearing sunscreen every day. Wait, what? I was getting shit for this?

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- Yeah, Joey, I wanted to ask you, do you wear sunscreen every day? - No. - That's why I'm so fucking brown. - You're supposed to wear sunscreen every day. - I didn't realize this until I talked to Sydney and I was like, "Yeah, get a load of this guy. Connor wears sunscreen every day." And she's like, "I wear sunscreen every day." - Do you wear sunscreen every day, Mash?

Just thought why not I mean I might got moisturizer to built-in so it's like two and one okay. Well that makes Moisturize

- You gotta moisturize. - The sunscreen is important. - I didn't do anything. - The sun prematurely ages you, I'm just letting you know. - It does, it does. - That's why, like, if you have sunscreen, you don't get, like, the harmful rays. - See, this is like, I was saying, I said on stream, I know after hearing the science,

- You should wear sunscreen every day. - Oh my God. - It makes sense. - But you won't. - But I'm like, this sounds like a white person thing. - Okay, this is partially a white person thing, but I age like milk, so I need to do it to stay up for you guys. - And after speaking to Sydney, I was like, holy shit,

- It is a white person. - It's confirmed. I've been dating for like over 10 years. I just found out today that the moisturizer you put on is sunscreen and you put it on every day. - Also, non-white people do this too. It's not just a white people activity. - Yes, yes. - It's not like lacrosse. - Hey, at least it's better than when the Japanese women put on those like half sleeves, right? - I like those though.

See I I would rock those Have you seen these now Half sleeves Yeah have you ever seen like Especially during the summer When they're like For example You know Because it's hot as balls right So they would obviously wear Like maybe short sleeves Or whatever But then They would also No not a half sleeve tattoo Yeah

It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They wear this or like doilies. Yeah, they wear these things where it basically covers their forearms from the sun when, you know, they're wearing like a t-shirt or a dress or, you know, whatever. Wait, am I imagining? I swear I think I saw Gary wear one of these, but I don't know if it was... Well, yeah. Gary would wear this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's basically like an extra protection. I'm sure they're wearing sunscreen, but it's extra protection in case...

you know, you're very sensitive to the sun. It's because a lot of people don't want to wear sunscreen because it's kind of oily. And on your arms especially, it just doesn't feel good when you touch things. So I think people just want to put something on. I sometimes, look, the sun kills me, bro. I've used the umbrella in the past. I honestly think it's just a cultural thing because...

in Thailand at least, or in Southeast Asia, we try to avoid the sun as much as possible just by design. We can always tell there's a tourist or a foreigner when they want to sunbathe or go out in the sun. I don't get sunbathing.

I've never gotten sunbathing, but I want to do whatever I can to stay outside the sun as much as possible. I mean, I'll put sunscreen on in Australia during the summer. You sound reluctant. You're like, I guess I'll put it on. No, I have to put it on because the sun in Australia during the summer is like a fucking laser pointed at your skin. And this is the reason why Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world. Yeah, I've got the Australian skin cancer.

Skin Cancer Council sunscreen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the one I use. Yeah, that's the one that, like, yeah. That's the one that, like, they teach kids to, like, use every day, like, in the school yard. Worked on me. So I would go then.

Yeah, I mean I used to wear it during school, but then once I got out of school, I was like, "Fuck you guys!" Connor, have you ever gotten a tan? Have you ever like... Um, no, I guess I'm bad. He can't tan! Okay, alright. Oh, okay, we're making fun of me now, are we? Okay? I'm not making fun of you, it's just the truth, like, it's, it's, it's... You can't tan. Why not? Who says I can't? 'Cause you're white.

- Well, that's why he can't. - Connor? - No, no, that's why he can't because his skin is a ball form. - Because there have been IRLs together where we have gone out and like you went out in the sun and in like 10 minutes you were red. - Yeah, it does happen. It does happen. - I've never been sunburned. - I've never been sunburned either. - You've never been sunburned? - No, you have been sunburned. You just don't know. You've definitely been sunburned. - I've legitimately never been sunburned. - That's not possible. - I feel like I haven't. - You've definitely been sunburned. - 'Cause I feel like I would know if I've... What does sunburn feel like? - Yeah, what does sunburn feel like?

Um, just feels like your skin is a bit, like, stinging slightly. Yeah.

- You've definitely had it. You've definitely had it. You've definitely had it. - I don't know what to tell you, man. - Maybe I have and I don't remember. - Yeah. - You are liars. - Maybe very lightly, but I've seen people- - What if I told you I've never been sunburnt? - I believe you don't. - I believe you. - Everyone knows anime girls don't get sunburned. - 'Cause like I've seen people like when they get sunburned, like where their like skin starts to like peel off. - That's like severe. Like that's like serious sunburn. - Have you gotten that?

Yeah, I mean the odds of me getting it would rapidly increase yeah true I

I mean yeah, I try to avoid the sun. I'm just like, I'm Latina so it's like I go outside and in five minutes I'm toasty. It's a buff. I've got the white people debuff where my head starts hurting if I'm out in the sun too long. Your head starts hurting? Oh no. I get headaches if I'm directly in the sun. Yeah, I don't know. Any kind of sun?

Like Intense Sun. Oh yeah, okay, if it's intense, if it's like Japanese Summer Sun, then yeah. I thought it was like British Summer Sun. And I was like, that shit weak as fuck. Wait, what's the difference between, what's British Summer Sun?

Great summer sun is like having a desk lamp up to your face. I don't know, it's like, you know, it's like, I imagine like a Puerto Rican kind of heat level, you know, similar on the equator, very intense, very humid. Oh, it gets pretty hot. Whereas like the UK is so far north, it's like being in like Maine. Yeah. It's like very not intense. Well, I mean, except for those heat waves you guys had, that was fucked. Yeah.

- I don't know. I don't think about it. I don't give a fuck. I'm a VTuber now, I don't care. - I can't tan anymore. - I can't tan anymore. - You're as tan as you're ever going to be, Joey. - I'm as tan as I'm ever gonna be in this form. - Oh, I broke my arm. Oh God, I broke my arm. - I can't get over our little itty bitty arms as well. - Our hands are so small too. - Look at that. - Now Connor has a broken hand. - Yeah, look what I did to my arm.

Okay, hold on, I gotta recalibrate. Hold on. Keep this in, Roudan. Yeah, keep this in. This is important. This is the behind the scenes of a recalibration. We've had to do so many T poses today. Oh, there we go. Nice. Oh, all fixed. Perfect. There we go. Now I'm a new man. Changed. Improved, some say.

I don't know who says that. No one says that. No one says that. Oh, God. So how's your year this year been so far, Mouse? My year this year? Yeah. Well, this past year. It's been crazy, like every year.

Are you going to Anime Expo again this year? I'm assuming you're having a panel with Connor again. Yeah, we're doing the panel again. Should be fun. I'm excited. I always love doing the panel. I just love being in front of a crowd. I think it's fun to work a crowd. It's fun to kind of interact with a crowd. You just like controlling people. That makes it sound a lot more sinister than how I actually feel about it. No, no. But also true. But also true. It's true, though. I mean, I'm only human. I like power, but I don't want to be controlling. That doesn't sound very fun.

- You just like having the power. - I like having the power to- - To control people. - Yes, exactly. - To control a crowd. - But I wouldn't use it. But if I did use it, I would use it very respectfully. - That's a lie. - Yeah, we went on two whole fucking tours together. - And I was very respectful of my use of power. - No, you were not. - Were you? - Very respectful. People said I was too respectful. - Say no one. - Jesus Christ.

Look, it's going to be fun, alright? The AX panel will be fun. I'm sure it'll go great. I think so. It'll be a great time. We'll have a great time. Because what did you guys do? Was it last year you guys did the panel together? We've done a panel at every AX. We've done three panels now. Is it just like a Q&A kind of thing? Yeah.

Yeah, so we normally have a Q&A part of the panel, but we normally have a bit of banter and stuff beforehand and do some kind of fun stuff. I think all the other panels are available to watch online, I think, right? Am I... Yeah. They are. So yeah, if you are interested in seeing it, we'll probably... Are we recording it again? I don't know. I assume so. Yes. Okay, we're recording it. Or streaming it, maybe. I don't know.

So it'll be fun. Yeah. Well, I specifically asked if we could stream it and, you know. Oh, nice. We'll see. All right. Well, that'll be good then. Sick. Fun. You've also achieved quite a lot in recent times. You did hold the subscriber count record for a little bit of time.

Oh yeah, how do we fucking gloss over that? On Twitch? What was the total number you had? Was that this year or was that last year? It was September. Late last year. Okay, okay. But we even had mouse answering. Yes. It's like a worthy thing to talk about. Yeah, yeah. Wait, how many subs did you hit overall? I don't even know the last... I don't know the last final number. Did you know what it was around? It was like around... 326,000? Woo! Oh my god. God damn. I don't know that much.

313,000? No. Yeah, 313,000 it says. On September the 30th. Holy shit. Yeah. Oh, it was 326. 326,256. 326, yeah. Oh my lord, that's insane. Far out. Yeah. That was, um, that was like a surreal moment in my life. It did feel like the Avengers watching all the people on Twitch trying to help you get there. Yeah. Like every streamer was like, let's do it. I just...

I just couldn't believe what was happening and I was crying the whole time. I didn't understand why this was happening but I'm very grateful and my community is very kind to me and you know, it was a surreal thing and I'll remember it forever. Yeah, hell yeah. It was really cool to see. I mean, I just remember when you finished doing that subathon. I don't know why, I just always remember you singing like I think Frank Sinatra and I was just playing Satisfactory.

and i'm just playing i'm like building my like i'm like refining my aluminium farm while listening to mouse like cry and sing yeah and i'm just like oh my god i ended my stream and we were supposed to play more satisfactory and i had like a mental breakdown on stream emotional breakdown on stream i just started like bawling and he's like you need to calm down

That makes it sound so much colder than I want. I'm trying to optimize here. I'm trying to optimize here. Would you mind stopping your crying? There's this manifold right now that I'm trying to figure out. This manifold is going to fix itself. There was a nuclear power plant, and I was trying to keep it running. It's a serious endeavor, okay?

I've been live for days. I think I was live for like 40 something days Yeah, I was like you should just take a moment go and chill out. Yeah, yeah, it's like go and breathe Yes, I think you know people sometimes it's so tough because people get obviously so attached especially even you've been live for like 30 days no more than that and nearly I think and like I think people

you know they want to help when they hear people crying or especially on stream and stuff they feel so connected yeah so i always feel like okay you know if you're just kind of going through it you just need to be able to do that alone and not have to show that sometimes people yeah so i think that's why i'm like all right you should you should go and take a moment compose yourself come back because you know you don't want people to feel like worried about you right yeah there's no reason to because what is it like being live for just that many days in a row

I think I'm mentally ill. So true. I could have told you that, actually. You know what? I just feel like no sane person would want to do that. But it's like, I had a great time. It's the most... When I do subathons, it's the most fun I have because I just... I really like being live and I like spending time with Chad and I like just sharing my life with people. Yeah. But...

You don't have any privacy and you don't have a moment to breathe and you don't because you know, I don't know how other people do their showdowns. There's some people that like pause and they step away from the computer or they'll take a break for the day or they'll end and come back the next day. But I go straight through and I stay in front of the computer the whole time. Like I don't leave.

I am here from day one to the end, to the last day. I sleep on camera. I do everything on camera. Like I do not move from my area. So it's like, I just have no time to myself. And that time I didn't have any time to like process everything that happened. So I was just like,

I think I get that a little bit after cycling too because I'm like, oh no, I don't have to go live.

but I'm so used to going live, so I'm like, all right, this is... Just becomes part of your routine. Yeah, you kind of get used to it. It's like Stockholm Syndrome for your chat. Yeah, yeah. You get into it, and you're like, oh, no, I don't have to go live. I mean, you're kind of like, oh, that's nice, but at the same time, you're like, what now? You're like, damn, it's so quiet. Yeah, yeah. I can just sit here in silence. But then I go and eat some good food, and then I'm like, I'm so back. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because I always... Well, good for you. I can't necessarily do that. Well, yeah, you eat Cheerios. What are you talking about? Why are you lying? Yeah, but I can't go out to, like, a restaurant and be like, ah, just living my life. You know? In future, in future. Get the perfect Uber Eats. Yeah, you can do Uber Eats. You can do Uber Eats. The perfect DoorDash. Yeah, because I've always liked the idea of a sub-a-thon, but I always think that... You should do one.

- I would go fucking insane. - Yeah, I'm so scared that I would go like one or two days in and I'd be like, I just hate everything. - No, 'cause I remember watching your stream one time and you were like, "All right guys, I'm gonna go for lunch." And you just fucked off for like an hour. And it wasn't even like an all day stream. You were streaming for like six hours. And then you're like, "I see you guys." And you left for lunch. And I was like, "What the heck, you can do that?"

- You'd struggle. You'd be like, "See guys, I'm gonna fuck off." - He didn't even pull like a B right back screen on? - No, he did, he did. - Oh, he did, he did. - For an hour? - Yeah, he's like, "I'm going." He like went out for lunch. He like left his house. - Okay, if there's one thing- - He's like left. - If there's one thing I despise doing on stream, it's- - I hate eating on stream. - It's eating. It's eating. 'Cause I'm like, when you're eating on camera, you're like half-

You're just You're not even eating You're consuming Right Yeah Because I can never feel comfortable Just enjoying this food By the same time I'm like Do I need to be a streamer now Or do I need to be A human being You also feel like Really vulnerable You know Because it's like It's this weird feeling Of like Oh I'm just sitting here Eating a meal And there's Hundreds if not Thousands of people Just watching me do it And it feels very awful Whenever I get the Uber Eats I'll like eat half of it Before I come back to stream Just because I'm like I need to feel like I ate it Yeah

Like that was me. Like I was here. Yeah, you're kind of right. I don't know why eating on stream kind of feels intimate. Well, because it's like the one moment in the day where you get to like chill out a bit. You're like, okay, I'm just going to focus on shoving stuff in my mouth. I'm just eating this meal. I don't know, man.

No, you don't know? I just eat on stream. I don't care. Yeah, but I feel like it's because also- Yeah, but you're in the VTuber. You're in the VTuber. That doesn't count. You have an inherent advantage where you always look great no matter what you're doing. Meanwhile, me freeze framing, shoving like this pasta in my mouth. All they see is just your mouth flapping. Yeah, yeah. That's about it. Yeah, it's so cute because you just see me going- Yeah,

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Mine's just like the fucking old Will Smith AI video. Will Smith eating spaghetti. People like that. People like that they like things that make you human. It's like, oh, look at this dude. He eats just like me. He's so real.

- There are a lot of people who do like eating with other people on camera, which I don't really like doing. - No, I don't like doing that. - I don't see the plus in it. - I don't know, eating's a me thing. Even if I'm at a restaurant, when I'm with someone and sometimes the food gets in the way, I'm just like, am I talking now? Are we socializing? - No, I like that, 'cause then when I eat, it's like I'm showing your turn to talk. And then I'll be like, mm-hmm.

And then when they start, I feel like when I've had a bite, then I feel like it's my time to step up and I've got to join in the conversation and be like, so I can give you the breathe to be like, all right, you can put some food in your mouth. No, I get that, but the one thing I hate, especially in America, is that every single time the waiter comes over and it's like, are you enjoying your food? And it just happens to be the one time I'm eating...

- Mouthful. - I'm shoving half the lasagna into my mouth at once. It was like, "Oh!" - I don't know, for me, if I do have a superpower, it's somehow always starting a conversation at the worst moment when they've got food in their mouth, I swear to God.

I just have the most awkward timing. - So tell me about your history. - Yeah, and I feel so bad that I-- - He's like, "Hold up." - "Just give me a second." - Yeah, I feel that. - But yeah, I would like to do a sub-a-thon sometime, but yeah. - Do it! - Did you ever have a moment, Mouse, which is like, you've been live like 40 plus days where you just wanted to be like, "I just,

I could just end it now. I could just stop it right now. You know, where you just felt you had zero streamer social energy left, but you just felt the pressure to need to continue. Yep. It was the day that my channel got deleted. What? My YouTube channel got suspended. Oh, yeah. I remember that. It was someone trying to take it down maliciously, right? Yeah, I felt like...

The whole world was crashing down on me and I was like, I was like, why am I- I remember I called you crying, Connor. I remember. And I was like, oh my god, everything's going to shit and I don't know what to do. I just decided myself

I was like, nah, it's good. I was like, it's all good. Nah, it's fine. You'll be fine. Yeah, because I feel like my first time when I had YouTube problems, I was freaking out. I was like, I don't know who to talk to. I don't know. But then I just kind of realized if you make a stink on Twitter, stuff gets fixed. Yeah. And I was like, dude, I have no doubt in my mind your channel will be back up in a couple of days. And it was. Yeah. And it was all fine in the end. Because if you have an externo article about it, it's...

When people try to take down your channel militia, they'll just issue like three strikes to just try and destroy you basically But normally YouTube will fix it. Yeah, it does suck obviously, but I mean it does get fixed for sure. I

Yeah, I mean, that's the issue when the reach gets so wide and you start hitting an audience outside of the bubble that you're kind of like used to as well. Oh, I know all about that. Yeah, I mean... It's happened to me multiple times. Yeah, because I remember, you know, with your subathon, 90% of like everything I saw was like...

Fully like positive for and fully amazing for everything you were doing and then there was like sometimes you weren't on take talk. Oh Okay. No, I don't have a tick tock. So that's probably why Well, Connor saw yeah, do you remember? Well, yeah, that's why that's why I was like I was like shocked cuz I'd never seen like a

So you because the and I think like it mostly started when you won the Game Awards content creator of the year over Yeah, it was just like constant. It was just like constant hate since winning creator of the year and be like so angry

And then it's like, okay, and people always get annoyed at award shows. That's inevitable. That happens because people have their favorite and they want them. But this was really unusual because it kind of persisted past that. And anytime anyone saw you, they were just really mean. And to the level of like...

that was normally reserved for like internet lol cows, like people who were like egging it on and like seeking out conflict on the internet. And so I just didn't understand it. 'Cause I was like, this is like a weird shift in the internet where people feel really like comfortable being horrible to people. And when did this start happening? 'Cause I felt like when we were content creators, like when we started, you couldn't just do that. You couldn't just be mean to no one. - No, no, no, it was like a cycle.

you could be as mean as you fucking wanted. - Yes, true, true, true, true. - And then everyone learned etiquette. - And people would tell their audience, stop. - And people would tell their audience, hey, there's an etiquette, these are real people. And then now we've entered the modern era where we've gone back, maybe even worse, where we can be as mean as people want them to be. - I got a T-pose I broke again. - Oh, God.

Yeah, it is weird, right? Because it's like... The way you do that is such a power move. It's like, hold on, guys, I got a T-pose. He's doing it behind me each time. Meanwhile, we're talking about a very serious topic online. By the way, Connor's just T-posing in the background.

You know, it is weird. It's like... Because, you know, back in like... We've gone kind of like full circle. Yeah, it's like early 2000s, you know, like, you know, back in like the Newgrounds days, it's like the internet really was just like the Wild West where you could say and do practically anything with little to no repercussions. Yeah. And then...

I feel it's like once social media started to come around that people were like, hang on a second, this might be starting to get tied to real life. Well, yeah, it was a lot more consequential. Yeah, like we can't do and say shit because it's not as anonymous anymore. And now it's like...

nuclear fallout where it's just like, yeah, whatever. Say whatever the fuck you want now. It's like terrible. I mean, I think... And the reason why I made the video is I was just hoping that people would like call out this behavior when they saw it. And I think it did help a little bit. I don't know, Mouse. Maybe, I don't know. I feel like people were a bit more conscious about it. I don't know. But it is just like behavior that sucks.

Yeah, I just remember like before the video came out like I was getting like 20-30 death threats like a day. It was pretty bad. And it was everywhere. It was like

I would get it sent to my Twitter. I would get it sent on Instagram. And it was just like a bombardment of like hate everywhere. And then like it started bleeding into like my Twitch chat. And I'm just like, Jesus Christ, when is this going to end? And it got to the point where I was just like, man, should I just fuck off and just like stop doing it? It was like cycles. It's like the video game won't happen. It was like.

And then it was like the streamer awards happen And then I would do an event And then the subathon happens like I can't do anything

Yeah. Well, yeah, because it feels like it shifted from, like, before if people were going to throw hate online, they normally felt like they needed a reason, whereas now it kind of shifted to, like, I'll hate and then I'll figure out the reason why after. Yeah. And then, because, like, when people actually hear about, like, what it is you're doing, your story a bit, people are way less likely to hate. But then also at the same time, you shouldn't have to be like, here is my sob story, please don't hate on me, right? For people to just be fucking respectful. Yeah, exactly. So it's very annoying. Yeah.

I feel like it's also just gone to the point now where you just straight up see people. Did you just fart? No. Okay. What? Can you fart in no cap? What happened? I swear I just... Okay, okay, sorry, sorry. I must be hearing things. This man's proving my point. I must be hearing things. This man's proving my point exactly. Hating with no fucking evidence. No, I swear I heard a creak or heard something come from your general direction.

- And I was just like, did Joey just- - Trust me, if I farted in mocap, I would tell you. - The fart will get picked up. - The fart will get picked up. You'll see the green cloud behind me. Now I was gonna say like, I swear like nowadays when you go onto social media, especially on like, you know, fucking echo chambers like Twitter and TikTok, it's like, you just straight up see people who are like, I don't know who you are, but I hate you. - Yeah, yeah. - And it's just like, okay, I'm sorry.

that you hate me even though you don't know who I am. If you were to behave like that in real life, it'd be such a sad existence. Just going around being like, I hate you. It's like, I literally work at Taco Bell. What are you, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, people run their mouth as if they've never been punched in the face in real life. That's true. That's true. But I mean, it's gone to the point where people will be hating for like,

I don't know, some of the reasons, like, just Mouse winning an award, you know, it's now, now no one wants to win an award because it just gets more eyes on you. Yeah, totally. I can breathe and just piss people off at this point. Like, I think for the streamer awards, remember that I did the performance? Do you remember, like, that person that, like, they posted a video of them, like, being so pissed they, like, broke their fucking TV? Yeah.

- Yeah, very sad. - What? - Yeah. - I didn't see this. - They were like, "What the fuck is this anime girl?" - It's gotten very weird. There's been a, obviously as we all know, a massive resurgence in masculinity and toxic masculinity. So it's kind of like, whenever they see an anime girl, they're like, "What the fuck is that? "I'm not a pussy, I don't wanna watch this shit." Or like, you know, it's just ridiculous. It's like, okay.

Whatever. It is a cycle, isn't it? It is a cycle. Totally. We're living in a cycle. Everything is a cycle, man. And you just have to help people learn. When they get older, they hopefully learn to be less hateful. I use a voice changer. I'm a man.

There was that one article. Oh, my hand broke again. There was that one article that was like, you were an Indian man or something. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Do you guys know those engagement bait Twitters where it's like they'll just post any random shit and it's just because they have the blue check mark and somebody posted that I was an Indian man. Like, a hacker found out that I was an Indian man and people believed it. And I was so...

Joey's had that article. Joey's the most Bollywood looking actor who's not a Bollywood actor. Where's my article? I'll fully buy into it. Joey could be getting a new fan base if he... Oh, absolutely.

You're just unlocking just a percentage of your fan base. Yeah, what if I just turn around one day and just start speaking on TV? Yeah, you could be the number one YouTuber right now, Joe. In India. Come on, Indians. My fellow Indians, where you at? Fellow Indians. Oh my God. Oh my God. So, Mouse, you like to sing on stream a lot, but I want to know, do you have like...

Do you have a karaoke song? Or is it like several karaoke songs? Yeah, what's your go-to karaoke song? Yeah. So many people ask me this question like, "What's your favorite song?" Well, what's your favorite song to sing? All of them. All of them. No, pick one. It's a cop-out. Pick one. One of my songs. Yeah. What? My original songs. I can't pick one. I like too many.

You have to. You have to, man. So if you were in like a karaoke, it would be like a different song every single time. Hell yeah. During Cyclotron, I sang like a hundred different songs. I mean, I feel that because every time I go to karaoke, it's always a different song. Is it? Yeah. I mean, I have my standards, but then the one I always start off with, I feel changes every single time.

Because the last time I went to karaoke... Wait, what's your go-to? Like, you know, there's like old Radwimps songs or like Yonezu Kenshi songs, obviously. But like the last time I went to karaoke, I think I started with Haya by Creed.

You must go through a different phase Joey because I'm back on my Creed face I'm not versed in karaoke. I'm okay. I just sing a song drunk. Yeah myself I haven't in five hours a long time. Oh, he's sick

It's Fireflies or Radioactive? I've never done Radioactive. What's that Imagine Dragons song you always fucking do? Oh, the League of Legends song? Oh, is it that one? Well, we just, I mean, I think we all do that. It's not like a me thing. Like, me and Garnt do it. I don't fucking do that. I just do it when you're there. Yeah. I actually was just thinking, I was like, I think I only do it when you're there. Fuck's sake. I don't know. I feel like, yeah, I change a lot based on what I'm listening to. Yeah, but when was the last time you went to karaoke?

Oh, months ago. Like, October, September. Right. So I haven't done it in a long time. And what did you sing then? I don't think I sang at that time. What? You can't go to karaoke and not sing. I don't know what I sang. Do you remember what you sing at karaoke? Do you remember every grain of rice you've eaten in your life? I am Japanese. It's too expensive now. You got it. Yeah. I don't know. Do you remember all the songs you karaoke now? Or is it all like a blur for you?

It depends. I feel like if it was like a normal stream, I don't remember, but like Cyclothon, I remember all the songs I sang. In order? Name them all I have. So like, I have a photographic memory for music and like songs and stuff, so I remember lyrics very easily and I remember things very easily. I can't remember any lyrics. Song I don't remember. Oh damn. I can't remember any lyrics from any songs, ever. Not even your favorite songs? No. What?

What? No. Really? That's why he's Beep Boop Man. Yeah, that's why I'm Beeps and Boops, which is true, right? Beeps and Boop music is just Beeps and Boops. He doesn't even remember Virtual Insanity? Ah, Virtual Insanity. Oh, shit. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay, Connor, me and you. Okay. Lyrics to Virtual Insanity. Go. Virtual Insanity.

Okay, okay, okay, wait, wait, wait. Wait, what did you say? I don't know. It's like, I know the sound, but I don't know the words. You know the syllables, right? Yeah, so I'll just say like a, I don't know, you know, like that, and I won't know the lyrics. Okay, wait, this is pissing me off. We can figure this out. So it goes, dun, dun.

Dun dun. Virtual insanity. Something made of virtual... Oh, I think you're right. I think you're right. It's always... Future is made of virtual insanity. No, Joey. Yes, it is. Virtual insanity. Mouse knows it. By the love we have for a useless twisting of a new technology...

Now there is no sound, for we all live underground. Yeah, I don't know that. I can't remember that. See, when you say it in, like, word form, I'm like, what? That just sounds wrong. Where did that come from? For now there is no sound, for we all live underground. You remember? That's how the chorus is. No, I know that, because you sang it. You should do more singing streams. Me? Joey? You sing so good. Oh, thank you. Yes. Yes.

He doesn't stream though. I don't stream. I've told you this before. You just don't stream. Yeah, I don't stream. I think he's happy. You should just do karaoke streams. They'd be so sick. I'll do one with you. You would? Yeah, I'll do one with you. Oh my god, you do karaoke with me? Sure. That'd be hype. That sounds fun. Yeah, we'll do that. Shit, now you said out loud, Joey. Now it has to happen. Yeah, yeah. You gotta commit to it. It has to happen now. This one time, I will commit to it. I can't lie.

What is the key to singing good? Like what's the one thing I need other than everything? I would like to know this as well. The key to singing good... How did you improve? How did you get better? For your voice type and just not giving a shit about what other people think. Also just practice. It's such a lame answer. Yeah, practice! They got no like ozempic for your voice or something? You can vocalize!

Listen Connor has a good voice, but he doesn't believe that he can sing because he's old

- No, I think the problem with Connor is that- - I'm so cringe. - No, no, no. The problem with Connor and also Glam is that they don't know their vocal range. So they keep picking songs that are way too out of their vocal range, which anyone is gonna sound like shit if it's out of their vocal range. - I don't wanna sing a song that I don't fuck with. - Well, you're gonna find a song that's in your vocal range that you'll fuck with. - But all the songs I fuck with, there's always guys going,

I just wanna sing the Tokyo Ghoul opening, Joey. Is that too much to ask? Yes, because nobody sounds like TK other than TK. No one can sing like that. I wish I sounded like that. Yeah, we all wish we sounded like TK. Well, we could just change the key of the song and put it a little lower so you could sing it.

- See, it's when I go to karaoke with people and they start changing the key of the song. - I'm like, what is this? - What is this magic? - What the fuck? - How does this work? - Yeah, I'm like, what are you doing? - It doesn't automatically change key in your brain. Okay, sorry. - Yeah, but it's too try hard if you change key in karaoke. It's like, what's going on here? What are we, is this a concert? - You see, that's your mistake. You just said it. You're like, it's too try hard. - It is too try hard. - Oh my God.

Like karaoke, we were all trying to just vibe. Just enjoy the art of singing. I, uh, no. No, I won't. I refuse. No, I just won't. If you have to record a song, Connor, how many takes does it take you? Oh, like,

Every time I've recorded the song I've never been able to do it all in one go how many takes how many takes did the last anime? Cypher take you like hundreds. It takes hours. It's you go like one line at a time. No, no, no I'll do like I'm asked you that do they do like a verse at a time. How do you do it? Well, it depends on the song so I usually record each line like three times I do like three or four takes of each line

And stitch it together? Add three or four takes of each harmony and just build from there. I basically just build the song. But voiceover, if I'm doing voiceover for my own stuff, it's never more than two takes. I'm like, I've got it in two, and then I'm done. I move on to the next thing. But singing, because I'm not used to it, I have to do 50 takes, 60 takes, until I start hating it.

I hate it so much. You've talked to Boobie, right? How many takes did it take Boobie to sing his song? Do you remember? A lot. What song did he sing? He sang... We did like three songs, I think. Was it three songs? Oh yeah, we've done three songs. That's true. I mean, me and Boobie have done three songs. You could keep that up. I'm too lazy to keep it up. You know what? Let's just...

I'm lazy too. We've done three songs together. Did it take you a lot to record the songs? Yes, it did take me a lot. And I needed someone else to sing it. Same with rapping. I needed someone to rap it so I could copy it. Oh, so you know the flow and cadence. Yeah, because I can't instinctively do the right rhythm or cadence. Because there's something wrong with my brain. I think you sounded good though. What were the songs? There's Anarchy, Cry For Me, and...

What's the other one? Devil. Devil. Devil. Devil. Are these all like Mouse original songs? Yeah, Mouse original songs. Oh, cool, cool, cool. So there was someone who produced it who sang it for me. Right. And then I would have to copy them. Right, right. And so I would have their version playing faintly in my ear. And I would basically like sing along. Right, right. That's cool, though. I mean, that works. Yeah. I literally can't do it without it. And you're so great. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's very kind of you. Whatever works for you, man. Yeah. You did great. And I just wish that...

- Yeah, Booby did great. - Booby did great. - But don't worry, Booby will do more songs. - Oh, God, fuck. - I would love to hear a live performance of that. - I think you'd like to hear a live performance. - I would love to hear a live performance. - I don't think you'd like to hear it. - I wanna hear Booby live version virtual insanity. ♪ Virtual insanity ♪ - No lyrics up, no lyrics up. ♪ Made of ♪

- It'd be a fucking disaster. - You can even get the mocap on and do the whole music video. - Yeah. - He goes. - Yeah, he goes. He does like the. - We can actually. - He does like the. - Oh yeah. Yeah, you can do it with the mocap. - I would pay to watch that. - Do doon doon.

Remake it, we'll remake it. Remake Roundup. So you're working on a new album as well, Mouse? Mouse. Mouse. Mouse. Mouse, are you working on a new album? I don't have boobies, so he just kind of like, I just did my best boobie impression there for a second. That was a great impression. But no, you just told me you're working on an album. Yeah, I am.

I am it's supposed to come out for my eight-year streaming anniversary in August oh wow so a fair bit away but you're nearly done with it right I think yeah I'm almost done yeah it's true every song is very different are you writing your own songs for it or doing original songs for it oh hell no I listen I here's the thing I can sing

But I was not given the gift of writing. I mean, it's kind of hard to script a Gant. I'm not smart. I'm very dumb. I know that. I agree. What? I mean, hey, you set yourself up. You can't write a script talking about. Look, I'm not saying I can write a script either. That's why Gant's here. Gant's the script writer. Better than none. If I can, writing a song is different to writing a script. Writing a song is hard because you can't be like, you know, you can't write it like a movie.

It's hard. I would like write, oh, cat hat something. They put the cat in the hat. My master. They got their phoenix in him. So hear me out. Actually, Joe, as someone who has actually written their own songs, what's writing lyrics right, man?

- I don't know, I just write whatever I'm feeling at the time. - Joey, that helps no one, Joey. - I don't know what to tell you. - Joey's just gonna, music's gonna be like that video where it's like rapping until I say something gay. That's Joey's entire song writing process. - And then I have to stop. It's like, I'm done for the day. - Fuck, I got six seconds in here. - It's like, dicks, shit.

Yeah, I don't know. I just like, I write a song, I write an instrumental, and then at the time I'm like, well, I'm feeling like this, and that's going to go perfectly with this instrumental, so I'll write some lyrics. Have you seen the channel Ari at Home, where he goes around New York with the music table? Yes, I love that guy.

And it just seems like everyone in New York is like the best rapper and songwriter of all time. Because he just goes around, he's like, what do you want? What beat do you want? He makes a beat on the spot and then he starts rapping or singing like flawless. He has like this entire like rig. It's so cool. It's basically like an entire loop.

loop station attached to like you know there's that like one DJ girl in Akihabara with the entire fucking DJ set that goes around stream and stuff like that it's like that but in New York and the guy just goes like people like go up to him and be like oh what are you doing man he's like oh can you rap or sing and they're like oh yeah I guess I'm like

okay and they're like all right make me a beat and he starts making a beat on the spot and then they just they all turn into jay-z oh that's crazy and they just start rapping people so good i've never seen it and it's just you've got to see this it's so good have you seen this mouse they're on like instagram reels and stuff a lot i think yeah yeah yeah they're so good i've seen i've seen i've seen it's really cool incredible yeah yeah this guy like he just everyone's just like a lyrical god somehow

I feel like New York would be the place where this would work, though. Yeah. Well, you know, some of the best rappers in the world are from New York, so...

I mean, all they got to do is like fucking, like a proper New Yorker, you hear a proper New Yorker talk and it's already bars. Yeah. All they have to do is just talk in rhythm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Talk, talk, beat. You're the greatest rapper alive. I know you spoke about it a bit on your channel on other podcasts too, but you were trained to be an opera singer. And actually, you've told me this too. And I think I've heard like the full story of what all that entails. Yeah.

Assume you how did you okay? I've heard pieces of this story, but never like the full timeline if you would be kind enough to yeah Well, but when I was a kid This is an assumption. I watched the fifth element and I saw Yeah, and like I was just

entranced and I I just remember thinking man I want to be that blue alien and I I just fell in love with like opera from that moment from being kid and it was just like all downhill from there it was all that I could think about like I remember like friends of mine like they were like yes start I want to do something I want to be an opera diva and I want to do like opera tours and all this stuff and I like these big dreams of opera and I

for it and unfortunately you know i had to drop out of school uh because of my illness and um it did not work out for me uh but uh i found uh singing again i actually uh i ended up like losing my voice for like a year and i couldn't sing and i thought that um i wasn't going to be able to sing again uh but then my voice came back i slowly started streaming

And then one day somebody on stream was like, hey, can you sing a song on stream? And I was like, in front of people in years. I was just like, oh my God, I don't know. And I did it. And I was like, holy shit, I can still sing, kind of. It's like, I feel like my dreams kind of came true because I'm kind of doing what I always want to do, which is sing and record music. And I'm not the opera star that I want to be.

I'm just doing it in a different way, I guess. Yeah, the monkeys pull curls. That's my fault. My hand's broken, though. Well, now that you've said that, Mouse, you have to, in your next karaoke stream, you have to do a cover of that fucking Fifth Element song. Oh, I've sung it on stream before. Oh, really? Oh. Yeah, I used to be on a tour with Soprano, unfortunately, after, like,

getting sick a lot, like I suffer a lot of vocal damage so I don't... I feel like I don't have the same power that I did before but like I could still kind of hit it. I mean, as someone who is definitely not an opera singer just hearing that I'm just like that sounds really fucking difficult to do. How the hell can you do that? Yeah, how the hell does a human produce that voice? So even getting close to that is pretty impressive.

Some cool like operatic style songs for Cyclothon. Yeah, you did Yves Maria, is that what it's called? Ave Maria. Is that what it's called? Ave Maria? I don't know what it's called. I remember if I sang Ave Maria, I know I sang the Jane Doe, I sang Phantom of the Opera, I sang a few other stuff, you know, but it's...

I like singing. It makes me happy. Hell yeah. What kind of lessons did you have to take back in the day to train to be opera specifically? Oh my god. I don't even know what that's like. My life. I would go to school and I would take private voice lessons almost every day and choral lessons and I had musical theater lessons and I had opera lessons and it was just like a lot of lessons and

Then my body started deteriorating

Maybe eight cups of coffee didn't help. I don't know. You know, I'm starting to think that maybe it didn't help. It probably didn't help. Let's be honest. Maybe you could have done with every other coffee being a decaf. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh. That's a good point. What is the point then? That's the point. Is this how it goes back? So now you could have drank those coffees and not had the consequences of drinking eight coffees. Isn't that fun? Isn't that great?

You are one to talk. You cannot stop drinking coffee. You drink like a gajillion. I drink three coffees a day, okay? That's a lot. That is such a lot. That's a lot. You drink three coffees by the time you get to the Trash Chase studio. Yeah.

Occasionally

I normally have three, man. Can you get by... What's the minimum you can get by with? One. One. One? Yeah, I can do one. Can you get by an entire day with no coffee? Yeah, I'm just really tired. Right. I've had one coffee today. Like, one espresso. There is no way he would. I've had one espresso, which is like half of a coffee. You look like you're dying. Whoa! I feel great, dude! You guys dying? Can you do this? Okay.

He's going to be panting for about ten seconds. He's like, all right. I'm dead. Oh, my God.

Sorry, continue the conversation. Ignore me. So Connor's going to die now. Yeah, Connor's going to die now. I'm alive. There you go, he's back. Oh, there you are. Oh, God, that was tiring. Yeah, you can't die yet. You've got cinnamon rolls. Oh, God, no more cinnamon rolls, please. Yes. So I also sin best way, Mouse. Since you are basically live every time I...

see you on Twitch or go on Twitch a lot of times. Yeah. Do you have time to, I guess, like, watch anything or game or anything outside of streaming? Or is, like, most of the stuff you do on stream now? Yeah.

I think I'm like addicted to streaming and I'm addicted to like VTubing. So it's taken up so much of my life, but I have my life, like my mom and my friends and Connor telling me, you need to take a break. - I do, I do. - So I try to take at least one or two days off a week. Try, you know, to take some time out for myself and I'll probably like play a game or like watch something. Yeah, here and there. - Right.

Have you been watching anything recently? I've been bad. Like, I have, like, so much anime on my list that I have to catch up on because I haven't had time. Oh, it's always going to be like, we do this a lot. We don't watch anime. I got a T-pose to fix myself. Oh, yeah. So you have to T-pose behind me every single time. It's the most convenient place to T-pose. There we go. I've been busy watching other shows, you know.

Yeah I mean it doesn't have to be anime It's just Whatever you've been watching Hmm

True, true. I've just really been into a lot of stuff, you know? I like Severance. Severance is good. I still have to catch up to season two. I still need to watch it. Oh, it's so good. I'm going to watch it. It's gotten too popular now that you won't watch it. It's gotten too popular. You also know me with TV shows. Yeah, you're slow to watch TV shows. I'm very slow to watch TV shows. I don't know what it is. Whenever I think to myself, okay, I'm going to sit down and watch this TV show, a part of my brain is like, no, you're not.

I don't know why. I always stop myself from starting it. For me, I find it easy to watch TV shows because I trick my brain to think I'm watching a short product of like, oh, it's only like 45 minutes. But then there's 10 episodes. It's a pretty big commitment. Trick your brain? Yeah, I'm like, because if I watch a movie, right? A movie's one and done. And then I feel like I have consumed something and I've enjoyed an experience. Whereas if I commit to a TV show and there's three seasons...

I'm like, oh fuck. To get the full experience of what this thing's trying to offer, I have to watch so much stuff. But I can take it like 45 minute episodes at a time. Like a day. This is psychopath stuff. Also, I'm like, you are gaslighting yourself into doing something that...

should be a form of entertainment and you're just like, okay. How do I trick myself into doing this thing that should be entertaining for me? No, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. This is not one giant task. It's many micro tasks. Yes, that's correct. No, what I'm saying is like, you know, sometimes you watch, because movies are so long now.

Two and a half hours. Like every movie feels like it's two and a half hours. No, but see, I'm the opposite because like, yeah, movies are long. They're like two to three hours, but TV shows now are like 10, 20 hours long. Yeah, yeah. So I'd much rather sit down. But I can like watch 45 minutes and go to bed. You know what I mean? I can't do that. See, like, because for a movie, it's like sometimes some movies are like two and a half hours, three hours, and it's pretty common. And it's like,

I'll stop streaming or I'll stop doing work at maybe like 10. I want to be in like sleeping by like 1130. It's like, I don't really want to watch a movie because now I'm so that's why I end up watching TV shows more. But then that's why I go to the cinema because I like movies there. I love movies. I have such a hard time

Not watching TV shows, but watching one episode at a time. Especially like anime 20 minutes. Oh no, I have to binge. Yeah, I love to binge. I love it when my schedule's free and I'm like, I'm just going to binge this entire TV show. I can't do an episode at a time. Especially if it's something like Severance, where you watch an episode and you are just hooked. I can't watch one episode and be like, I'm done for the day. You can't like...

Yeah, you can't wait a week. I just want to watch it all in one go. Especially if I enjoy it. I like waiting a week. No, you don't. What are you talking about? Yes, I do. Did somebody come and replace your brain? You always talk about how you hate that. No, okay. What I like doing is, let's say when Invincible came out. It's 10 episodes. I love Invincible. Me too. I'll wait for five or six episodes to be out before I jump in the weekly hustle.

because I want to be involved in the conversation like yo everyone watched Invincible this week but I don't want to sit through the build up episodes you know what I mean so I wait for like four or five episodes to get me like that I can binge and then I get hooked and then I'm like oh I can't wait for next week now

- This guy's so full of shit. - What the fuck? That's what it was like Jutsu Kaisen, I waited until like halfway through the arc. And then I was like, I'll jump into it now. And then I'm like kind of stoked. - So you just want to be there for the hype. - Yeah, you're just there for the disc. - Is that a crime? - No, it's fine. It's just like, I don't give a fuck about the hype.

So that's why I'd rather just watch it all at one go. No, no. For me, being a part of that hype is fun. I enjoy being in the weekly conversation. The water cooler conversations about the show. It's fun. That's why JoJo Part 5 was so fun to watch weekly because everyone was talking about sucking dick every week. It was fun being a part of that. As a man, we need outlets like that. So I was pumped to be a part of something.

You guys excited for part seven? I'm very excited for part seven. Part seven got announced. Finally. And Shohei Otani retweeted the announcement. He's like sucking dick teeth.

You know it's good when the goat retweets it. It's going to be so hype, bro. I can't wait. I'm so pumped. I'm just worried, like, how many fucking episodes is it going to be? Because part seven, I think, is the longest. It's probably going to have to be, like, 40 or 50. Must be, right? There's no... I just feel like the 40, 50 episode anime era is over. No, JoJo can pull it off.

- We need more of that. - I miss the days of 40 to 50. I miss the days when 24 episodes was the norm. And nowadays when an anime gets 24 episodes, it's like, "Oh, no way. They're actually locking in for this?" - Two whole cores? - No way. - It is crazy. They would just lock in for like 70 episodes in the past. They were like, "Yep, we're just gonna make 72 episodes of Monster."

And they were all bangers. Yeah. I mean, I think part seven has to be, like, at least 40 episodes. They can't make it just 24 episodes. And if they do, I'd be very worried. Yeah. If we hear, like, they're going to do it in 27 episodes. It's 12 episodes. Could you imagine? If they're like, it's 12 episodes. Oh, man. Now, the one I'm most worried about is, it's a movie. Oh, no. Because there's a possibility they will do that. I hope not. I really hope not. If they did, like...

I don't know, it'd be like four movies. But then it would be like, we're getting into like stupid waiting territory. Yeah. Yeah, because that'll be more stupid than doing like 24 episodes, I feel. Well, everyone was worried about, like, because obviously not to talk too much about Jojo Mouse. Actually, are you a big Jojo fan, Mouse? I like Jojo. Have you read part seven? No. Okay, so it's set in America to all of you. You're asking if I read. Yeah.

Yeah, that's true. I forgot. It's set in part seven. Sorry, it's set in America. It's in America during like the early like gold rush. I know about that. I'm just telling you and the viewers just in case the viewers don't know too. So, and you know, they're riding, it's about a race where they're trying to ride across on horseback and it's, it is the longest part of Jojo by like a decent amount. It used to be. Oh, right, right. Yeah.

And it's when they shifted from the weekly, I think, to the monthly release. Yes. But everyone was worried because animating horses is famously, like, really very difficult. And the entire anime is set on horseback. Yeah, yeah. Like, literally every episode is about riding horses. They should just put Umamuse girls in there. Have them ride girls. Yeah, but they don't even run like horses. They run like people, which is... The problem is horses running like horses is, like, apparently the anime to final boss. Yeah. Like, apparently it's just so difficult. There's probably going to be a lot of CG...

Yeah, a lot of people are really worried about that. But if they make it look good... I mean, CG doesn't look as bad in anime these days. It's a lot less noticeable. Yeah, like if Studio Orange did, they were like, we've got a horse and I'd be like, I trust. I trust. Let him cook. Let him cook. Let him cook. So I'm hoping that Studio David normally do Crush. So I'm hoping it turns out well. And I want the renaissance of JoJo coming back. I would love to as well because part six just got totally glossed over. Oh, it actually kills me.

To go on a little bit of a tangent, Sydney bought this really cool custom-made JoJo purse. Oh, yeah. They were selling them, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Have you seen the one? It's like Bucciarati-themed. Yeah, yeah. It's got like the Bucciarati... Can I put it up on the screen? Put it up. There's a couple of knockoff ones. I want to see. Yeah. There's only a couple that are like official merch. Yeah, and she's started to wear it. Oh, is that one? No. No, no, no.

It's the one with an actual woman carrying it. Yeah, that one. Yeah, that's the one. She has that one just because she bought it because she liked the pattern. But there's been several times now

where we've gone out and it kills me inside every time, right? Because she hasn't seen Jojo. Oh, no. She hasn't seen Jojo. She has not watched a single episode. She just bought it because it looked cool. And we go out. Every time we go to a bar, we always get at least one comment being like, oh, my God, is that Jojo? Yeah. And Cindy's like, yeah, yeah, Jojo. And...

And they ask, do you like JoJo? And Sydney's like, I've never seen it. And you just see the lights fade from their eyes. And I'm like, Sydney...

As a JoJo fan, this kills me inside as well. See, you guys were clowning on me about this, but this is the exact same phenomenon that happens when people wear Kurt Cobain t-shirts and don't know who he is. This is the exact same phenomenon. It's just disappointment. I was hoping we could have talked about JoJo because you have a sick thing. And then they turn around and go, nah, never watched it.

Yeah, it's kind of... I always wear the Weather Report sweater because I always get people who, when we go out drinking, they're always like, Weather Report! Yeah, he's kind of sick. He is kind of sick. Yeah, he's pretty dope. Yeah, he's kind of cool. I'm cool too. I like him. We could like each other. Mouse, do you still get time to watch Super Sentai? Oh my god. No!

No. I feel so bad because I'm so behind and I get people coming into my chat all the time being like, have you seen the latest episode? Have you seen it? Have you seen it? And I'm like, I haven't seen it yet, but please just give me some time. I promise I'll catch up. I'm still on King Ojo, bro. I'm so behind. So wait, how long have you been watching Super Sentai for? When did this love start? That was so deep. My brother got me into it. So since I was a kid, I've been into it. So I've watched...

everything basically I've watched Super Sentai Kamen Rider I've watched some of the Metal Hero stuff like Space Shaman and it's just

I just, I like tokusatsu a lot. What do you like about tokusatsu? Because a lot of people I think find it quite campy and a bit over the top. That's what I love about it. I love the campiness. I love the fact that it's over the top. I love the campiness. I like the whole superhero thing is just, I like it.

And it tackles a lot of themes that are like, oh, like Garou. I don't know if you guys know Garou. I know of Garou. Oh my God. I love Garou so much. It's like darker tokusatsu and it's just such a great show. It's amazing. What do you think, I guess, as three people not into the Super Sentai world, what's like a good entry point? What's the Super Sentai show that you guys would recommend to someone who's like,

interested in getting into the world but not sure where to start because there's so many different shows i would recommend uh common writer i would actually recommend a common writer show than super sentai i recommend common writer game because it was written by genu no buchi and it's like it's very anime-esque i grew up with common writer oh you did yeah common writer and like ultraman and stuff i grew up with i never really liked power rangers when i was a kid i didn't really like really i found it really weird i see i was like i'd rather just watch

Because I wanted to watch the cartoons, and I didn't like that they were getting in the way of my cartoons. I was like, wait, I don't want to watch this. I want to watch Iron Lady. You must have been just on the tail end of the whole Power Ranger craze then. I was. I think I just got the end of it when it was kind of fizzling down a bit. Everyone would talk about it, but I was never into it. I mean, I was a huge, huge Power Ranger fan back in the day. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. Um, I never got deeper into it than like the OG Power Rangers. Yeah. Um, but I, I mean, I feel like everyone my age was into it as a kid. Yeah. I don't know. I, I remember when the first movie came out, which feels like a fever dream now. Um,

The first movie. With like Ivan Ooze or whatever. Have you seen the Power Rangers movie? I've seen the Power Rangers movie. I mean, I haven't seen it in a long time, but I do remember it. That movie was so campy. It's crazy. Looking back, oh my God, it was so campy. But as a kid, it was so hype. Especially in the movie when they got the new like suits and the new costumes as well. Yeah, that's right. Oh, man.

I remember I was like, man, I want a rollerblade too. They had like this big rollerblading scene. Oh yeah, because that must have been like peak rollerblading. They did.

I think they started this they started that movie off with like a skydiving scene or something like that yeah and they had like surfboards as they were skydiving and it was like the coolest fucking thing I'd ever seen that's Sonic 2 as fuck yeah yeah right I was so into fucking rollerblades when I was like 12 really I was into rollerblades as well yeah but then the problem with rollerblading in the UK is that our roads are really fucking shit and bumpy and so you're rollerblading but you're basically rollerblading on like a mountainside you're like fucking I was a skateboarding kid

Skipper seems way cooler. I don't know It's only cool if you know how to skateboard that first like year that you're learning to skateboard is you look uncool as fuck What are you gonna say mass? Oh? I wasn't allowed to do any that stuff because it was for boys. Not is though Stinky goes loud on skateboards

It's called Tony Hawk, not Tony Hawketta. I don't know. I was telling, I was telling chat. It's so funny I'm here. I was telling chat, I was telling my chat, like, man, there was just so many things that I wanted to do that I never got to do, like rollerblading, skateboarding. I wanted to do martial arts. My mom didn't let me because she said it was for boys. I wanted to do martial arts too. I wanted to do gymnastics. She didn't let me because she said it was for boys. I wanted to do figure skating. She didn't let me because she said I was going to kill myself. What?

I think she was just probably gatekeeping everything from you. Yeah, I think so. I think she was just like, that gymnastics? Nah. Gymnastics is... Like famously for both. Yeah, absolutely. Pretty... Absolutely. Yeah. I would argue all of those things famously for both. Dude, I even had a guy in a mall come up to me and be like, oh my god, you'd be perfect for gymnastics. You have the perfect body. And now as an adult, I'm like, holy shit, that was kind of weird. But like, well...

Your body is insane. Who was there? Who got caught texting and said that? Adam Levine. Adam Levine. Holy fuck. Holy fuck. Holy fuck. Your body is incredible. This is perfect for gymnastics. Wait, it was just a random dude who said that and then just left? Yeah, he was like a gymnastics coach and he was like in the mall and he was like, wow, your body is incredible. You would make a perfect gymnast. And of course, rightfully so, my mom is like, fucking creep, get away. Get away from my daughter.

But I was like, Mom, I could be a gymnast. She goes, are you crazy? That guy was going to do something bad. I mean, you know what? Your mom was probably right. Total instincts right there. How old were you at the time? I was a child.

Okay, yeah. I think your mom... I think I was like maybe seven or eight. Okay, I think your mom made the right move. Your mom made the right call. That guy was never a gymnastics teacher, actually. Yeah, yeah. He was just the guy at the mall. Oh, my God. I think I was like seven or eight, if I recall correctly. I did gymnastics in school. You did? I was in the gymnastics club. Damn. I just had weird upper body strength as a kid because I was just climbing trees all the time. I can't imagine you doing gymnastics.

Yeah, I did like the fucking jumping on like the thing and you're doing all that stuff. Oh, yeah. Is that why like when you've done like trampoline stuff, like you do your flips so well? Yeah, because I would just launch myself. I was like, I didn't learn a sense of danger until I really hurt myself. Like I was super comfortable just fucking like, yeah, I'll fucking run into the wall. Yeah, I'll fucking jump off a cliff. Let's do it.

Just imagine you with a sense of elegance in your movements. I don't know if it's elegance. I think it was just wild, reckless neglect for my body. And I would be like, you want to jump that? All right. All right, sick. I'll send it. I just wanted to have strong legs. I wanted to crush a watermelon between my thighs. Okay. Might have to dial it down to a grape, I think, for you right now. What do you mean dial it down to a grape? I could be strong.

Yeah, yeah? Yes! Okay, alright. Don't destroy my dreams! I'm gonna wait for the not-ending stream until I crush a water norm. Just mouse for like three days. I think that would be, you'd break the sub record if you did that as a sub goal. Yeah, I think so. Oh my god. 500,000 subs. I'm gonna crush a water norm between my thighs.

- It's like a really big, actually no, I was gonna say small watermelon, but actually they're harder to break, 'cause they're not like ripe. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The big ones will be easier. - Yeah, you can get more grip on it. - There's more surface area as well. - Okay, okay. - Who was the first person who was like, "You know what, I'm gonna try and do that." - Oh, my arms are fucked up again, I fucked up. - Who looked at a watermelon and was like, "I can crush that between my thighs." - Me. - I don't know. - If you. - Me, I'd started the trend.

Have you tried it? I've not tried it. I think I could do it. You could probably do it. My thighs are disgusting. They are. Especially off the cycling as well. Look at these boys. Elephant toes. Okay, hold on. Look at those. Look at these boys. Yeah.

Put those away. They are thick. Your thighs are so thick that they don't even register on your model. Yeah, they removed my ass in this model. I got no ass. Damn, you got nerfed, man. What the heck? I got nerfed. What the heck? You are all thighs. Yeah, in real life, I'm a 90% thigh. This is pre-cyclophone Connor. Yeah. Oh, my God. My thick thighs aren't saving any lives. Jesus Christ. Hmm.

Hmm. Man, I would ask you the VTuber question, but I already know that it's going to be a no. You can ask. I'll still say no. I'm not going to ask if you're going to say no. What's the VTuber question? Oh, because I love turning people into VTubers. It's my favorite thing.

Yeah, I know. I remember during the charity stream you were trying to fucking persuade me for like three hours. I honestly would love to, but goddamn. Like you said, the barrier of entry now is just very intimidating. It feels like too much resources and money to spend on like a one-off thing. Yeah, but I feel like people would love to watch you become one, Garnt. You want to know why?

Okay. Because you know somebody named Heem Hajim. I know. I know. And I do know someone called Heem Hajim. And every time I see them go live and they don't have to, they just plop out of bed, gremlin style, and just turn on the PC. I'm like...

- God, I wish that was me. God, I wish I could do that. - That would be you. - We have to look presentable. - That's exactly what I do. - That is also what I do by the way. - Joey, you look great in Gremlin mode though. Like my hair, like my hair doesn't look this perfect.

Every time man When I wake up I have the worst Fucking bed hair Of all time And if I don't If I don't do my hair Then I have The hentai protagonist hair Or like the mob hair Do you know how hype That shit would be If you saw that on stream I just can't I can't The one time I remember the one time I took a picture Uh

without doing my hair was after like a fucking 14 hour flight. A fan caught me outside of the airport. I was like, okay, it's just a random fan. Whatever. I'll take this picture. Gets posted on Reddit within five hours. And then it's like the top voted post of that week. I remember that photo. And I'm like, okay. I look like shit. Why do you do this to me? I remember that photo. I was like, who is that man? The mob psycho here. The mob psycho here. Yeah.

It's on screen right now

Alright, well then, Mouse, thank you so much for joining us then. It's been long overdue and it was a lot of fun. Thank you so much for joining us. And thank you for entertaining us in 3D. I've got to stand up now to make most of the mocap. Yeah, right. Let's do a last minute. Let's all get in this. We don't have this much space in the Trash Day studio. No, you can't go this far back normally. We've got to take a picture. Take a picture, take a picture. Everybody screenshot right now. Yay, screenshot.

Awww, this is so cute. This is the cutest thing I've ever seen. Alright, now T-pose on her. What the fuck? No! T-pose. T-posing. Alright, we'll go and check out Mouse over on Twitch, Twitter, all the places, all that kind of place. Go check it out. Where else can they find you, Mouse?

on YouTube, on Twitter, on TikTok, even though it's mean to me, but, you know, I'm there too. Thanks for having me, guys. It was a pleasure.

Thank you. And hey guys, by the way, if you want to support the show, then you can head on over to patreon.com slash trashtaste. Link is in the description. By the way, every single week we have Patreon exclusive content that we do and because we have Mouse here with us and we have these VTuber models, we're going to be doing a couple of Patreon episodes with Mouse. We're going to be playing some games with Mouse and you can go check out the first one

right after this one. But hey, if you want to check that out and support the show in the process, head on over to patreon.com slash Trash Taste. Also follow us on Twitter. Send us some memes on the subreddit. If you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. And of course, go check out Mouse. Thanks for watching, guys. We'll see you guys in the next one. Bye!

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