Trash Taste is changing in 2024... | Trash Taste #184
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- Hello and welcome to the final episode of 2023. Congratulations on making it to the end of the year. - We made it guys. - You survived. - Another year we survived. - I'm impressed you somehow managed to bring my fridge to the office. This is really impressive. - You know when we asked staff to get us drinks because it was an end of year episode, I wasn't expecting like- - Everything. - Like we were gonna have a party for 10. - It's the company card, you know?

- We gave them the company card and they're like, wait, I can buy how many? - We're gonna start with a non-alcoholic first. - Starting off with non-alcoholic? - I'm gonna start with a non-alcoholic. - Starting off with non-alcoholic? - 'Cause it's harder to go back. - I'm gonna have a C or B. - I'm gonna start with an alcoholic and then if I feel like going non-alcoholic,

I'll go non-alcoholic. - I'm being judged. Okay, fine, Scott. Successfully pee in pressure. - Yes, let's go. - Fine, it's the end of year, right? - It's the end of the year. Although to be fair, to be fair. - Cheers, boys. - Credit where credit's due. - Cheers. - Ever since our last conversation about non-alcoholic beer, I have been a convert. - I converted you, yeah, bro. - You did, you did. - It's actually fire. Like Japan has really been stepping up with the non-alcoholic options and to the point now where

- If it's a night where I'm gonna have like one or two beers, I'll just stay with the non-alcoholics. I'm like, what's the point? - I don't know. I haven't got to the point where I can just drink beer for the taste yet. - I fucking love the taste of beer. - It's not about the taste. - I don't like alcohol. - I like the taste of beer, but not enough to justify the alcohol. - See, it's not just about the taste because I remember last time when we had this conversation, I made the argument that it just doesn't taste the same, which it doesn't. But for me, it's the feeling of having a pint. - Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.

- You said I was dumb. - Do you know what it is? - I'm still saying that. - Do you know what it is? It's not even the taste, it's the foaminess of it. It's the gassiness that you only get with kind of like beer. - Drink some fucking mineral water, bro. - No, 'cause if you- - I actually do and it just doesn't hit the same, man. - If you ever get into beer, right? Like there is this ultimate moment of peak refreshness when you've had a day that you felt like, shit, that took it out of me.

You crack that can open and you take that first sip, full foam, full coldness. It's every peak moment of the beer. And you're like, oh,

- Yeah, but I'm happy to know that like taking that first sip, which I totally get is the best feeling ever, especially when it's like stupid stinking hot in a Japanese summer, right? Like that first ice cold can of beer is the best. But I also like the fact that, oh, I'm gonna get a little bit loopy from it as well. - Well, it's sometimes, I don't know. - If I don't wanna get drunk, I'll just crack open a mineral water. - See, I normally don't get drunk though. I normally maintain like the nice buzz level, which beer helps me do. - What's wrong with that though?

- Well, that's not drunk though. I wouldn't say it's drunk. It's just me being like a little funny. - Do you not like getting buzzed? - No, I like getting buzzed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fun. - So I'm trying to figure out what's the justification for non-alcoholic. - Well, because I don't always want to get that. - I think I do it a little bit different from Connor because for me,

Sometimes, I mean, this goes back to, I guess when I was working the office job as well, sometimes you just have a really fucking hard day of work. - Sure. - And you just wanna sit back, relax and crack open a cold one. - That's why I just said that. I literally just said that. - No, because he was saying about the taste, right? - Well, it's like, that's part of the experience though as well to me, like the taste, you know, but it's mainly about,

- Yeah. - You've had one sip, Jake. - No. - It's mainly about like having the long day and then getting that like first sip. And it's like a very nice feeling. Beer has a texture, which is important in food. It's a very nice texture that kind of just is, I don't know, it's perfect. I don't know. - To expand on what you were saying like before, it's the feeling and also sometimes you just want to crack open a pint after a hard day at work without,

- Needing to get like the consequence of getting drunk or- - Yeah, but do you feel the consequences after one pint? - Well, no, okay, so this is a great argument. 'Cause I'm ready.

- This beer would be like 250 calories or 200 calories, right? - Okay. - Not that I'm counting calories, right? But I wanna be in shape, right? So I'm thinking to myself what I can kind of roughly eat. I don't count calories to the fucking number, but I'm thinking in my head of like the rough toll of what I've been eating. - Sure. - And so if I have like two beers, that's like a full like small lunch or a snack that I could have eaten instead.

- They call beers liquid meals for a reason. - Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, the carbs are killing, man. It's so many carbs. So if you're doing it weekly, right? 'Cause if you have one beer like four times a week. - I have a solution then. - That's like a thousand calories. - I have a solution. - What's up? - Don't drink beer.

- But I don't get the same refreshment and enjoyment from like a- - Mate, you gotta sacrifice one or the other. - Well, that's why I can have both. - We're sacrificing the alcohol. - Yeah, we're sacrificing the alcohol. - Which is the worst thing you could be sacrificing. - No! - Wait, it's the- - What the fuck is the best thing? - Joey, Joey, Joey. - That is literally the best thing. - It's scientifically the best thing you could be sacrificing. - You don't sacrifice the fucking caffeine in a coffee, do you? - I wouldn't mind doing that.

- Oh my God, he's too far gone. - Oh, you're getting into decaf now? - No, no, no. - He's too far gone, bro. We've lost him. - The reason why I'm never gonna get into decaf, and this is a very piss-poor reason, but I think it's valid. - Yeah. - You know, I've got a coffee machine and it takes a bunch of beans. If I, I would have to like take out, I would have to take out all the beans and replace them every time I want decaf.

- I can't hear you say beans without hearing you say it. - Beans, what the fuck? - I don't wanna fucking have to change the entire fucking machine to drink decaf, but. - Well, that's what you get for having a fuck off large machine. - Yeah, but it's a beautiful machine. It's the centerpiece of my house.

You have what, a fucking Lego piece on your wall? I've got a beautiful Italian engineered espresso machine. All the engineering points of Italy went into the coffee. They can't make anything else in Italy, literally. They don't have anything else. - The pasta is crying right now. - As in like engineering wise, right? Germany, they did everything. It was like, well, espresso machines, anyone? - Can't even build a fucking towel correctly, man.

- No they can't, it's legal. - Just like what the fuck, man? - You ever seen a completed Italian road works? Doesn't exist. - Sure, I've never seen it. - How's your fucking cities going? Oh, they're sinking? Oh, okay. Good to know. - Italy has every single economic crisis possible right now.

but my God, they still make a mean espresso machine. - And their food fucking slaps. - Yeah, their food is amazing. - Sure. - Point being- - So yeah, they kind of spec their points to the correct categories. - No, it's fine. - Honestly. - I'm sure it looks lovely. - Yeah, I didn't mean to. - Machine, it's all right. - I took that personally. - Oh, sorry. I'm not sorry. - No, but because of the non-alcoholic beer, I was like, I saw there was a store selling non-alcoholic

- I think that's called grape juice. - And I was like, I know this is going to be grape juice, but maybe because this, 'cause I've realized non-alcoholic beer is basically just hop flavored sparkling water. So maybe they've just made kind of like, 'cause wine is grape juice obviously, but it doesn't always taste like grape juice. It tastes like wine. - There's loads of aspects to wine. - Yeah, so maybe,

They made water taste like beer without having the alcohol in it. Maybe they've done the same with wine.

I just bought fucking grape juice, but they marked it up to like $15 a bottle. - You just bought expensive grape juice bro. - I just bought really fucking expensive grape juice. I've never been more disappointed in my life. This is what's wrong with society. - I got invited out to this extremely fancy restaurant and it was an Italian restaurant. And I was like, you know, I love Italian food, but this was like giga bougie fusion. And when I hear fusion food in my head, I'm like, okay. So they just kind of fuck it up.

'Cause pasta, you know, pasta is just pasta. You know what I mean? - I feel like fusion is coming back.

I think some fusion works, but Italian is one of those things where I'm like, actually don't fusion it. They actually figured it out. Please stop messing with it. - It's 'cause the word fusion was just ruined by all of these restaurants that just use the word fusion just to say that they want- - It's different. - Yeah, that's just saying- - We serve every kind of Southeast Asian cuisine. - I went to this Thai Japanese fusion and I thought that was great because that was literally just adding spices to Japanese foods because-

- In Japan, it's all just salt. - That works. - Which is fine. But they added like spiciness to it. I was like, wait, this is like, you guys should do this. Like, this is great. But I went to this time when it was very good. But the reason I bring this up is because they had a non-alcoholic wine pairing menu and I didn't want to drink that day. So I was like, okay, sure, I'll try it. And to be fair, to their credit, I don't even want to know how much it would cost. I didn't pay.

- That's why you did it. - There was no prices on the menu, which meant everything, I didn't even wanna know. Everything came out and it was this big, which I think goes against the entire point of Italian food. I'm just to feel morbidly obese after going to an Italian restaurant. - That's the American side of you, bro.

- Well, no, I just think Italian food, you should feel very full. Like it's a very- - Well, you do, 'cause a lot of it is very carly. That's the fusion part of it. - That's the fusion part. - And then the fusion, they fusioned all the food away. Because each pasta was like this, and the guy brought it out, and I said, "Where's the rest of it?" The guy couldn't speak English, and he goes, "What?"

And I said, "Oh, nothing, nothing." They brought this non-alcoholic. - They fusioned it with nothing. - Every single dish came with a non-alcoholic wine pairing thing. And they were like, it was like jasmine, one of them was like jasmine flower petals or something. And it was kind of okay. I felt like it was good enough.

that for a meal I would be like, yeah, that's close enough. But what was missing at the core feeling of wine. Whereas I think non-alcoholic beer has kind of gotten the core feeling of beer. - So question, if you were paying for that restaurant experience, would you have gotten that non-alcoholic wine? Did you do it because you seized the opportunity of getting it, trying it out like free of charge? - It was just super fancy juice that was slightly viscous.

- Yeah. - Which is fine. - That sounds all right. - That's also like an option. I think any time you can present an option that doesn't have alcohol, we should be encouraging that because obviously the less alcohol we all drink, the better. So if you can get it, like if wine tasted the exact same, but with no alcohol, bro, I'm all there. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - You can't say that in front of a fucking sea of alcohol.

- But that's the thing, maybe in 60 years, you know, Connor Jr. will be able to enjoy all the flavors of non-alcoholic beer without needing to drink alcohol. - Look, look, okay. - I'm not calling him Connor Jr., by the way. - Here's the thing, here's the problem, okay?

- I like getting drunk, sure. I don't like the consequence of getting drunk. That's something that you did not have to deal with in your twenties. And then you grow up and then you realize, wait, there are consequences for the stupid actions that I take? - And it's unfortunate that Japan

is a very, very alcoholic country. - Yeah, we love to drink here. - Well, so is England and so is Australia. - I thought England was pretty, England and the UK was bad in general. And I felt that in the UK it was more so I would drink on weekends and I would drink hard on the weekends. But in Japan, what I found is that you drink hard,

but it'll be a Tuesday and then a Thursday and then a Friday and a Saturday. And you're like, okay, hold up now. I'm doubling what I was doing. - Yeah. Reality really doesn't slap you in the face here until you witness a Shibuya meltdown with your own eyes. - There was just so much more casual alcohol consumption here and to more of an extent than- - That's 'cause it's so much cheaper as well. Like it's so cheap to like go out.

way more here as well. - Oh yeah, totally. - So it's like, if you're in England, if you go out, if you just casually go to the pub, then you are probably an alcoholic, you know? - Or a Brexit geezer. - Or a Brexit geezer. Like if you just casually go to the pub on most weekdays, you're probably an alcoholic. How we like coped with that was we were like,

- We just drink on the weekends. Guys, we're not alcoholics. We just drink on the weekends. - That's how we cope with it, right? - I also think that as a human being, you are entitled to self-destruction. As long as you're not hurting anyone else. If you want to drink on the weekends and that's your thing, fucking do it. If it's affecting other people, then you got to fucking address it. - Yeah, and then like that was before I started Workforce. And then when I entered the Workforce,

it slowly started to creep in to be like, today was a hard day of work and some of my coworkers- - That's the danger, right? - That's like the dangerous, that's where like the line, like between my first example and my second example, that's how you tiptoe the line. So I kind of realized the sad realization that stuff like this helps us,

- Fucking tiptoe that line. - It is nice. - I have a feeling though that you guys have kind of reached this point probably because you both of you drink more often than I do. - Yeah, a hundred percent. - If I don't drink at home, I don't think I've drank in like over a week at least.

for me and like I only maybe drink like two or three times a month. So I feel like the more you drink, the more I might start to feel like this. - This month particularly is generally a bad one. This month is- - Oh, don't worry, next week I'm in Australia, I'm not gonna have a sober day. - Well, yeah, it's like when my brother was here, you know, it's his vacation, right? So when I'm out with him, he wants to drink and I'm like, "Yeah, I'll drink with my brother. I don't get to see you that much." The problem is that when you think about

times like that, you're like, okay, my brother is here. He's here for like one week every fucking three years or something. I'd say, I'm gonna commit to that.

the context is that, okay, maybe the week before that I also just happened to drink a lot. And then now I'm drinking all week. And then maybe I drink a little bit next week too. So it ends up being like, it doesn't matter what the circumstances, the facts are is that maybe I just drank a bunch this day. And then I'm just trying to battle that. This is a, yeah, this is a- - This is slowly starting sound to sound like alcohol, like anonymous or something like that.

- This is what happens when I realized I was like the consequences of having a social life in Japan. - Yeah. - 'Cause Japan social life equals drink. But I mean, you know, lately I've just been saying like, you know, if I know it's gonna be like, some people just invite you out for a casual dinner and I'm like, chill, fuck yeah. And they'll drink and I'm like, actually no, I'm just gonna fucking drink tea, fuck this. I just...

To me, I'm like, if I'm not gonna have like four beers, I'm like, I don't fucking know. - But we also like, I feel like Japanese culture as well is an interesting one because even though we drink so much, like casually, regardless of the day of the week, we're also more forgiving to those who don't want to drink or can't drink. Just because I feel there's a lot more people who just cannot drink. - It's very odd because it depends on the person though as well. I've definitely met Japanese people that are like,

"Eh, you don't want to drink, what?" - Yeah, to them I'd be like, "Fuck off, it's my choice. Stop judging me." Whereas in Australia, if you couldn't drink, you were in some ways judged and I'm sure the same in the UK as well, right? Because drinking culture is such a normal culture over there that when you see someone who can't drink or doesn't want to drink, then it's kind of like,

- Muslims must have been watching this first half of the show being like, what are they talking about? What are they talking about? - That sounds like some funny juice that they're drinking right now. - That's the devil's juice. - Yeah, because like, it always kind of like makes me realize whenever I talk to an American and so many Americans I know, it depends on obviously which state you're from, but so many Americans I know don't know the difference. I like, I've had to explain the difference between going out and going out out.

if you guys get what I mean. - Like going out, like the first one just being like, oh, we're just gonna go maybe have a couple of drinks. - Yeah, just like a casual drink or something. - Casual time, not drunk, and then just going out. - Yeah, yeah, so sometimes, sometimes, to explain, sometimes you go out with your mates to the pub or something and you just have a casual, some casual drinks and on some special occasions, maybe the vibe is just right, you start getting to that zone where you're like,

should we go out, out? Are we gonna go out, out? - This is a UK specific problem though. 'Cause often like if you have to like kind of pregame, normally that means like, okay, well there's this pivotal decision moment where people are gonna decide let's keep going or let's go home. But in Japan, I feel like it's such, those lines are so blurred 'cause you're always out in Japan.

- Yeah, true. - So you're always close to the next place or the next bar. - Do you know one thing that I like about Japan culture? - What? - They don't really have a shot culture here. - Oh, thank fuck for that. If you drink with Pete, Pete finds the places with the shot culture. - Well, he's American though. - Yeah, I know, but he just said, you know, he's too charismatic. He gets the bar owners involved and then they're like, oh, you should drink more.

- You need to go to those like specific establishments though. - But you know what sucks is that when I tell people they're like, "How did you learn most of Japanese?" I'm like, "Fuck, I hate to admit it, but like just going out and drinking was most of it for me." - Honestly, that is the best life. - Going to these bars and talking to bar owners, you know? And they're so welcoming, especially if you're a foreigner who speaks some Japanese

some Japanese, they can kind of see that normally that huge barrier is kind of gone. There's normally this kind of curiosity that kind of opens up where you can really just have a really good conversation because they want to talk to you and you want to talk to them because you're at their bar and you want to get to know the places. Because I think everyone has that, especially if you're going to a place somewhat often, you always want to be like, does that guy remember me?

You're like, I wanna be like this guy. He's like, yeah, it's this guy again. 'Cause you wanna, it's almost like a sense of community, right? 'Cause in Japan you don't get that in a lot of places. If I went to the same- - You're the local Gaijin at this bar. - But like if I went to the same like grocery store

for like two years in a row in the UK. There's a solid chance, at least in Wales, if it's a smaller one. If it's a supermarket, probably not, but if it's like a smaller one, right? Odds are the staff will probably remember you or they'll probably say, "Oh, hi, how you doing?" You know, you have that little bit of conversation, but just kind of like,

that you don't realize how much it kind of like gives you a bit of like, oh man, that's nice. And the only place you can really get this in Japan is bars. Because like Konbini, they ain't gonna fuck it. You can go to the Konbini 5 million times and they're never gonna say anything to you. It's not gonna happen. Same with any store. - No, I've been recognized by a number of Konbini. - Well, okay, but is that? - No, no, no. - I gotta go.

- I gotta hook up. - That's an anomaly, right? That's like not normal, right? So in Japan, like if you want to get like that kind of friendly sense of like almost like a missing sense of community. - Well, I think it also doesn't help that like we are in like the

biggest city in the fucking world. - But other cities on earth don't do this, I noticed. London was different. Like London, I know if I went to the same place over and over again, I would kind of get that familial connection. - But that's because they have more of that stranger friendliness, right? - Yeah. - In Tokyo, that stranger friendliness is close to zero, especially between a Japanese person and a gaijin. - Tokyo is such a lonely place and it has this reputation rightfully so for being one of the loneliest cities despite being a fucking giant city because there is like zero sense of community.

- Yeah, like walking into like any kind of store in Tokyo is like just the same interaction over and over again. It's like entering the item shop in an RPG, you know? You're gonna get the same dialogue every single time, even if you've been in there a hundred times. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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- Well, I feel like it's kind of their job to be social, right? Or at least more social. 'Cause I think they realize that that's also a good business move, right? To get repeaters coming back, right? Or at least if you were a good business move. - I mean, it makes a lot of places that I've noticed, they are just genuinely nice, genuinely nice and just genuinely enjoy the company and enjoy the conversation and they are genuinely curious. Also, I would like to say earlier, when I say I got a girl, I was fucking being sarcastic. It's like an old, elderly Japanese woman.

- So you gotta go. - I gotta go. - You gotta go, bro. - Hey, she's still a girl, is she not? - I was like, she works like, okay, so there's this old elderly Japanese woman and she normally works the late shift. So I normally hit the company after like a trash taste recording or something. And there was this one time where I went in, it was really late after a night out and there was this foreigner there and she was trying to explain something. She was trying to explain

explain how to use like the card system and stuff like that. And he just wasn't fucking getting it. - You were like, allow me to introduce myself. - And she was like, "Eto, suimasen." And she was like, "Can you explain to this person what I'm saying?" And I was like,

I got this, I got this. And yeah, so I translated what she was saying to him to explain how to use the machine he was trying to use. And then ever since then, she's just like, she's just been like,

extra like friendly and happy every time we come in. I'm like, all right, I gotta go now. - That's what's up. - I gotta go now. - So next time you go in, you'll be like, "Hey yo, can I have some of that free chicken?" - So you got any free chicken? - That's gonna go to waste if you don't give it to me. - Yeah. - My local Konbini, they look miserable. I don't blame them.

- Oh, they do? - It is a rough Konbini. It does not look good. - At our old place up in, you know, up north, like there was the Konbini worker near our house, like late at night, who just used to give me free chicken every time I walked in. He was just like, "We got some, we're gonna throw it out. Do you want it?" I'm like, "Sure." - Hey, are you the anime man? Do you want a free chicken? - He recognized you, right? - Yeah, he recognized me. And then he was like, "Oh, you want some free chicken?" I'm like, "Okay." - I wish it was that easy, Joey. - I know.

- I wish I could be that famous. - I wish it was Lawson's, then I'd be interested in the free chicken. - Yeah, Family Mart chicken, get that shit out of here. - Everyone I know in Tokyo, they just agree that Family Mart is the worst. There's a lot of arguments over 7-Eleven and Lawson's, but I think Family Mart is the worst. - Well, Family Mart chicken for sure is the worst. - All their food selection is shit. - Yeah.

- You know what 7-Eleven, the smoothies, there's a fucking God line. You can buy these smoothies in 7-Eleven where it's like you get it out of the freezer. - Yeah, I saw a TikTok. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I saw a TikTok where- - I went to the fucking store and I got- - No, no, no, I saw a TikTok where some guy was like, "This is why Japan is living in 2020." - What, 'cause they can make a fucking smoothie? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a TikTok where it was like, "This is why Japan is living in the future." - It's a blender. - They have blenders.

because they have blenders. Get the fucking pink one, it's strawberry soy and it's fucking God-like. It's got like a bunch of protein too. It's a hundred calories. It tastes so fucking good. Get it, it's so good. - It is very convenient. I do love to do these. - It's awesome. 'Cause I like, I, you know, sometimes I want a drink, but I don't want a coffee and I just want something that's refreshing. And it's 200 yen. - In the summer as well, especially, 'cause it comes out of the freezer as well. - Yeah, it's so nice.

- They're constantly upping it. Like I genuinely think every time I've left Japan now, I'm like, man, I don't think I can ever leave Japan. Like I don't think I can ever live anywhere else. - Yeah, Konbinis are too strong here. It made me, I realized this even going to Korea and I'm like Konbini game, will he compare to Japan? I don't know if I could live here. And that Konbini is compared to like Tesco or something. It's still fucking God tier. But Japan Konbinis are just,

- On another level. - A lot of people are always like, "When are you gonna move to LA, Connor?" Or something. I'm like, "No, I literally just can't leave Japan. It's too good." I like my life too much day by day. - But you breathe everything anyway, Connor. - Yeah, but that's great. Yeah, but I love walking around. - It's great because we can always tell.

- I can now tell how often Connor uses Uber Eats 'cause we have a company card. - Okay, I fixed it now. - We have a company card. And Connor did not realize that he was using his personal Uber Eats orders on the company card. - What the fuck? I never agreed to this. - I reimbursed you guys, I reimbursed you guys, all right? I'm a man of my word, okay? - So I- - You're giving this man free meals for a while. - No, no, I reimbursed him.

- I remember I was just chilling and I get this notification being like, "Your card has been charged for Uber." And I was like, "Wait,

none of the boys are here, I'm at home. Who's using Uber right now? And I log onto the app that we all have and I scroll down and there's like five Uber Eats orders all marked to Connor five days in a row. And I'm like, Connor, what the fuck, mate? - Our bosses suck, all right? - I love going out, he says. - No, I love walking around, but in terms of like meals, I still don't often, like, I wouldn't just stop at a place and eat. Normally, I've been-

I've been walking a lot around lately. Even if it's like an hour and a half walk, I'm like, fuck it, I'll walk. - Yeah. - 'Cause I love doing this now. I'll just walk to a place and when I'm passing places that look cool, I'll look them up on Google and I'll see the pictures of the food and how it is and I'll be like, okay, I'm saving this, I'm going here. - And then he goes home in order to freeze.

- I don't want to eat out all the time, right? Because I want to- - So you eat out in. - Yeah, well it's a salad. Most of the time I'm just fucking ordering a salad. It's boring. You know, it sucks. It's a shame. - I felt bad because I messaged Connor when he was like live on stream or some shit. And I was like, yo, can you, I think you've been charging the company card for all your e-free sodas. - 'Cause I got the notification too. And I was like, shit.

- Like, yeah, I know, continues to play. - There's nothing I could do at the moment. The burrito was coming. - It's all good. - It was a good burrito though. - So it's the end of the year. You guys are ready for next year? - I've not heard a single person say they're excited for 2024.

- Just what is there to be excited about? - Nothing. - I mean, people were optimistic. I feel like COVID removed optimism for like hoping for the next new year to be good. - We're still recovering from COVID. - I think we are. - People are just, the world is not well adjusted still. - It's not the same, man. It's not the same. - I mean, I feel like before people were more optimistic, but like, yeah, this year is gonna be my year. And I don't know if the world just got a lot more pessimistic.

But I think the world has got more pessimistic. I mean, especially after, you know, so many of them had to experience the horrors of COVID, right? Like, you know-

It's pretty difficult to just tell someone like, you were locked in the house for like three and a half years, but it gets better, don't worry. It's like, you know, hard to believe for some people. - There's two sides of this where it's like, all right, if I was in school, right, during COVID, I get like two shit years of school, maybe three, of like just schooling that is crap 'cause I'm on Zoom, right? And then maybe I graduate or something, especially if you're around graduating time, this is dreadful. You go into the workforce, like, oh, by the way,

Also your country, everyone's getting old and you're gonna have to pay like double the tax your elders paid. You can't afford a house, RIP. It's like, okay, well shit, I guess what is there to be excited for? Like I'm literally told that it is gonna get worse for me. But on the other hand, I'm like- - GTA 6 though. - Yeah, on the other hand, GTA 6. - Yo, GTA 6 though. - Persona 3 reload though.

- Like fucking hype games, hype TV shows. But then I can't even get excited about hype TV shows or games because there was the writer's strike this year and actor's strike. So that in like four years, we're gonna get like fucking lost season four and prison break season three all over again where every TV gets suffered now because of the writer's strike.

So it's like, all right, well, great. So there's like not a lot to look forward to. AI is getting worse. It's a pretty good time to be miserable if you were betting on that. - I feel, okay, what do you think? Do you think there's gonna be a new tech fad next year? I swear to God, every year now there is,

some new tech fads. - AI is gonna be like the next big thing for the next like 10 years. - AI is gonna like prevail. - Yeah, it's gonna be the biggest. - It's only gonna get bigger and more prevalent. I totally agree with that. - Maybe like AR?

- Because like the year before we had fucking NFTs and- - Did you say particles? - Bring them back. - That's my childhood. - Yeah, like the year before last, or was it like, I think it was last year we had NFTs and then before that it was like Bitcoin. Then this year it was like AI where people like losing their shit. I swear to God,

like tech bros find a thing, a new thing to get excited about every single year. - I swear it's gonna be like that AR shit, you know, after Apple announced like those goggle things, like tech bros are gonna be all over that and they're gonna be like augmented reality is the future, it's gonna up our productivity, it's gonna make everything so safe for people, blah, blah, blah.

Like it's just gonna be another fad like it always has. Unless I'm wrong and this ages like milk, but you know, so far the track record hasn't been great. You know, people saying the same thing about NFTs three years ago and look what happened to that. - Yeah, I mean, some of these ideas sound very exciting. You know, I-

- AI, I think we just need to figure out what the line is between what's ethical and what's not because people are gonna use it either way, shape or form, right? - Totally. - AR, is the Apple vision coming out next year? - I think it's next year, right? Or it's 2025. - Yeah, when's it coming out? - But that's just porn for rich people. You know what I mean?

- Early 2024. - Early 2024, yeah. - Holy shit. - I'm not paying 4K to watch porn. I'm just not. That's disgusting. - Well, you can do that with any fucking VR system, right? - You can do that with an Oculus too if you want. - It doesn't need to be the- - Yeah, I tried watching porn in VR one time 'cause I was interested to see how it was and I was like, this is a horrible experience. - Yeah. - This is like motion sickness meets blow job. - It doesn't even look good either. - No, it doesn't. - 'Cause it's all like warped and shit. - All right.

- I got asked, at which point does your mate come home with a purchase? He does that, but also comes home with a purchase and you're like, all right, we gotta have a talk. We gotta have an intervention here because I saw this tweet the other day. I'm gonna see if I can find it. But it was like, it was this fucking owner haul that was basically,

that was basically straight on to a jackhammer. - So it was like an auto jacker? - Yeah, so it was like an auto jacker that you would hold like you were, they would hold handles and it would fucking jackhammer your dick off, right? And then the tweet was, "Women be careful," or something. "Women be aware." And at that point, you gotta be like, all right,

- How far is too far, man? How far do we have to go before you have to have an intervention? - You know what? I respect that. - I do this series where I review my viewers rooms, right? And somebody had like a bust. It was like a torso that had a hole at the bottom. So it was like a torso of a woman that you could, you know, do things to. - Yeah. - And I think that's too far gone. - Like, well, like here to here? - Like here to like legs area.

- Oh, okay. So the hole was in the normal spot? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, okay, okay. - So it was like you were doing it. But I felt like that's too far. - But it had no head, no arms. - No, no, but I felt like if you are having sex with that, you are...

- I don't see what's the problem with just using your hand, if I'm being honest. - But I feel like if you're buying that shit around it, I'm like, come on, man. We should be investing elsewhere. - I found the tweet. The tweet is, "I will forget you exist." - No way. - I've seen that before. - You've seen that before? - I've seen this tweet.

- And there's a phone holder at the top. - And there's a phone holder at the top. So you got to check. There is definitely no way I can show this on YouTube, but yeah. - You can, you can show that. - Can I show this? - Yeah, I think you can show that. - It's so good.

- I guess I'll send you the link guy for you to show Mood on it. - Like I think like theoretically it's like, yeah, that stuff could work, but it's like when you buy shit like that or make that you're like resigning yourself to you're like, well, I'm just, this is gonna be my life. - Yeah, pretty much. I mean, at that point you will forget that girls exist because

- Girls can't provide that kind of same convenience as this phone holder jackhammer that jacks you off at the same time.

- That's what the tech bros are gonna be on next year. - That's the new thing we're gonna be scared of. It's just like the apocalypse is happening, birth rate is going down, humanity is going extinct and there's nothing we can do about it 'cause everyone's busy jacking off. - Tech bros are gonna be like one-upping each other being like, "Mine's got a six piston." "Well, mine's got an eight piston." - It's got a V8 in it. - V8. - I'm gonna try this cheap. - Mine's got a 4080 inside of it.

- Oh my God. - Yeah, I don't know, honestly. Like I feel like the past couple of years when like, I guess the term tech bro especially was kind of starting to come into relevance in the mainstream, I guess. Like I had no clue. Every single year, it was kind of a game for me to be like, what is it gonna be this time? And let's just say, I didn't see NFTs coming. - I didn't see NFTs coming. - No. - I don't know. - No, I called them making "One Piece" remake. I said it on a podcast episode. They're gonna remake "One Piece."

when they were done with One Piece. I said when they were done though. - They're not even done with it. - But I called, they were gonna remake it and they did. But they were far, they jumped the fucking gun. They were like, fuck it, let's do it now. - They gotta capitalize on a while it's hot, right? - But yeah, I think jacking off to a jackhammer, probably not good for your mental. Even if you're- - I think your mental is a bit far gone at that point. - You shouldn't do that. If you own a fucking fuckable doll at home, get rid of it.

- Get rid of it. - Just use your hand bro. - Please, for your own sake. It's no different from watching, yes it is. You bought a human sized fuck toy. It is very different. Get rid of it. - Even the Tenga video that we did, some of the contraptions that they like brought out for us. - Fucking absurd. - They're monetizing your loneliness. - Yeah. - You're lonely and they are taking advantage of you by saying, "Hey, look what you need."

- You know, 'cause I see some of these contraptions and at that point it kind of just feels like you're just hacking the mind to find the most efficient way to jack off. And unfortunately, if you've never been, you know, if you've never had a partner before, you know that, you know, sex isn't the most efficient thing of all time. You know, it actually takes a lot of work a lot of times. - It's a workout. - That was two pumps for me Garnt.

- I just have to look at a woman. - To pump it down, that's what they call me. - Look into my eyes. - What is that fucking manhwa where he's like the guy with like the cum touch? I can't remember the name of it. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck, what was the name of it again? - Oh shit. - It's my favorite manhwa. - Oh, it's such a good manhwa. I can't remember it though. - Yeah. - Golden, not golden boy.

- That's something else. - Golden touch, I don't know. - Yeah, but yeah, humanity is more and more fucked every year. - Yeah, I can see why the older generation like, you know, keeps repeating that. - Yeah, but this has been like a phenomenon for centuries where,

- The previous generation deem the coming generation to be- - Oh, for sure. But I feel like this time they're onto something. - No, no, you feel that 'cause it's you. Every generation felt like that, Joey. - There's literally like newspaper articles of the early 1800s being like,

- These new generations have no manners. They can't function in modern day society. - They're walking around showing ankle. - Yeah, and then the next generation does the same thing. And this is a perpetual thing where obviously the new generation are gonna evolve. And it's up to us to- - Evolve? You mean grow up? - No, evolve. Like what their tastes are. - What do you mean, like Pokemon?

- Our dad wasn't jacking off. - Human is evolving. - Our dad wasn't jacking into a Tenga. You know what I mean? That's a new development. Jack Hammers, phone holders. That's a new generation. They're evolving. - But I will say, yes, definitely every generation for the past couple of centuries have been saying that about the newer generations for sure. But I feel- - No, you're falling into the trap, Joey. - Yeah, you are. - You feel like we're the different ones.

The next one really is fucked. - No, but like we were talking about like the, you know, lessening of optimism in the newer generation, right? - That's true. - And like how everyone is becoming more doomerish. - Yeah, I think so. - Like has that happened in previous generations? Maybe not, maybe they have, but maybe not to the same extent as it is now because we're running into- - I actually feel like- - Things like internet- - As millennials, we started that trend. - Teamers just kind of like-

went with the depression trend and they were just like, "Actually we can do it better than you." - We ran so Gen Z's could walk. - I'm sure there was somebody in 1910, they were like, "Oh boy, GI in America, I can't wait to join the job market next year." Boom, Great Depression, no jobs for you. Everyone is starving.

- Three or four years this shit lasts for. - Yeah, I'm sure they would probably think, "Well, we had it fucking bad." - Well, yeah, obviously. But like, you know, say for like our generation, right? Like millennials. - Yeah. - Where we, was it so much of a common like,

between like people of our generation, I guess the newer generation to be like as like do Maria or sad about our future compared to like this newer generation. - Well also we didn't have to fucking kill each other. You know, you, you talk to the older generation and they went through fucking several world with this, like several wars. - Yeah but I'm not, I'm not comparing it to that. - And like they look at our generation. I'm like, what the fuck do you have war with? - Well clearly. - Yeah clearly. - But like I'm talking about this newer generation now.

- Yeah. - Right? Like the newest generation, like why is there suddenly so much of a big shift? - I think there's- - What the fuck? - I think there's just a lot more shared experience and also, you know, there was definitely like houses were and stuff like that, house rent and whatnot. It was definitely rising like 20 years ago, but obviously- - For sure, yeah. - There wasn't as many people talking about it online and arguing about it. Also you have to bear in mind that like,

like 20, 30 years ago, it was kind of seems like a bad thing to be like, I can't afford this. - This might be- - Nowadays it's like, hey, can you also not afford rent? - This might be completely anecdotal because I have no evidence to back this up. - Yeah, this is all pure speculation. - Yeah, like for me, but yeah.

- I think just existing has never been harder. Just the act of existing, you know? Maybe that you had some bad times like the great depression, obviously. - Bad times. - As we like to call it the big Saj. - We should have the great depression too. No, we shouldn't have that. We should call it something better, not the great depression. - The big Saj. - Yeah, we call it the big Saj. - We have another one.

- The big Saj. We'll call it the big Saj. The big Saj of the 2030s. It's a hundred year cycle. - When did they coin the term great depression? Was it during the time? - It was happening in the 30s, right? - Well, this is like a good question of like, did they call it,

'cause it was called "The Great War: World War I" and they asked me when did they start referring to it as World War I. And it wasn't until, I think a lot long after World War II. - It was probably not until World War II, right? - But I think it was sometime after as well. It wasn't immediately after. They weren't like, "I remember one." This is the sequel. There was a good video about it. I can't remember what it's called.

But I mean, that doesn't fucking matter. It's stupid figuring out when shit was named. - But like, I wonder, what are they gonna name- - It's based on a book called "The Great Depression" by Hoover. - Oh, okay. What are they gonna name COVID times, I reckon, when historians look back and think- - COVID? Pandemic? I don't know. - This isn't the first pandemic we've been through though, right? - This is the first global pandemic in a very long time.

- I mean, there was the Black Death as well, but that was only in Europe. - That only wiped out like a third of humanity. - A third of Europe. - And also, if you remember, this is the first pandemic that's been available that's very easily spread in the modern travel era where people can just get, like, I can get to, I can be in Australia tomorrow. - Yeah, it was kind of difficult to travel in the 1300s. - You know, back then, I think in like, I think one of the wars, there was like,

there was a kind of influenza that was wreaking havoc. - Yeah. - But that was localized to Europe at that time, right? 'Cause there wasn't people like flying all over the fucking place spreading it to their like whoever and everyone. So yeah, I mean, it's interesting. I think it's weird 'cause like obviously we're in very good financial places, but I still feel like, holy shit,

buying a house is still a hard thing to do. - Oh yeah, scary. - Which is like crazy. I'm like, oh my God. When I look back at brochures, they're like, yeah, we'll ship you a house and you build it for $10,000. I'm like, what? - It's a giant Lego set. - Yeah, they used to sell made to order houses. They would just send you the parts and you build it. This is the thing in America. I thought it was crazy. That's so cool. We can't do that now. - That's insane. - Yeah, there's made to order houses that you could, that were in America.

That's pre-fab, but I think that's what pretty come up. You could literally get sent and they would send you all the things in like crates and you would presumably just build it. - Oh my God, this is like Ikea nightmare mode. - This is your final boss. - This is where the Lego training up with the Legos. This is the final boss. - Look at this mail order house. It's beautiful. - Yeah, that's a nice house. - Holy shit. - Obviously, even with inflation, it was still way more affordable than houses nowadays. - Yeah, geez. - It's crazy though. But that's back when everyone just, I guess, somehow knew how to build a house.

- Yeah. - Oh yeah, it was $2,000 in 19 something, which even with inflation wouldn't come close to 1960, 16. What's $2,000 in 1916 in today's money?

- Could you have a look? - Two million. - Just type it in. There's like calculators that tell you. - I've been recommended more and more videos of just people living on the road in fucking vans and caravans and shit. - That feels like a kind of subconscious like struggle answer to this world we live in where it's like, I can't fucking- - $31,000. That's nothing. - Yeah. - Holy shit. - What the fuck?

- Cars are more expensive. - Yeah, I mean, could you guys ever do that? Like just pack up. Okay, number one, I find this concept pretty interesting because I don't know how many other countries you can get away with doing this aside from America. Because it's funny 'cause I've actually met people that have done that life. When I went back to Wisconsin this year,

Sydney's like extended friendship circle had like some new people join and they had had a year or maybe two years, just literally they sold everything they owned, put everything into a van

and just traveled the road and just lived on the road for two years. And after two years, they just hit Wisconsin and were like, "I think we've had enough traveling. Let's just get an apartment here." - That's bad ass. - It's fucking bad ass, but holy shit, it made me realize how OP America is because I couldn't like, imagine like traveling

- Imagine do that in England or some shit. Cause they were like, yeah, we started off in like West coast, went up North, went all the way to Alaska for like a bit, like drove back down and I'm like, yo. - You drive through Canada as well? - Yeah, I'm like, yo, that sounds fucking bad ass. - I mean, we kind of, in a sense did like a light version of that on the US tour, right? Like we were in that bus for 50 days. - Yeah, I don't think I could do it. - And considering that I enjoyed the tour the most, I could probably do it.

- I like, I need to be stationary to do anything. Like I like having a zone. - Yeah. - My little safe point where I'm like, this is where I like subconsciously, this is where I clock in and out of life. - Right. - I need that. - But wouldn't you say that that's the little

personal vehicle that you have? - No, 'cause you're never truly stationary, right? You're always subject to someone else's rules, right? If you park in this place, all right, how can you park here or what can you do? Yeah, if you put it in the middle of fucking desert, okay. But then what if something goes wrong? What if you pop a tire in the middle of the fucking desert for some reason you're driving there? - Yeah. - I don't know, there's so many factors. - That's like city boy mentality all the way. 'Cause I absolutely agree.

- I would be terrified of that shit. - I care too much about everything that could go wrong and I think you cannot care about shit going wrong if you wanna live that lifestyle. You need to like almost disregard, oh, how am I gonna shower? How am I gonna do laundry? Like I'm sure then they work it out, right? 'Cause they're like, but to me, I wouldn't even wanna embark on this unless I figured it all out. And I wouldn't even wanna go on it unless I figured out the route, which is like psychotic and I just can't do it. To me it wouldn't.

- So you don't have a manly urge to drop everything and just build a cabin in the woods and just fucking survive on the wilderness. - Are you kidding me? I would love to do that. - The most thing I'm doing when I retire, bro. - I like too many of the modern comforts. I'm only human, I like a lot of them. And that's how it is. And I think there's nothing wrong with that.

- No, no, there's totally nothing wrong with that. - I fucking love a good meal and I love a good coffee. - That's true, that's true. - That's what matters most to me. - Ain't nothing wrong with that, dog. - There's nothing wrong with that as well. But the more I grow older, the more I'm like, yeah, that manly urge is real. I don't know if it's an actual manly urge, but it's just an urge. I just really wanna do it. - Is that more so an urge that you want to have that life or that you are?

you are not content with what is currently happening in life and the cycle you're in. - No, I think it's more so like I'm very much, you know, the urge,

is in the future for me. Like I'm completely content with my life now and I'm very happy with where I am now in my life. And I would like to continue it for as long as possible. But I know there's gonna be a point where I'm probably gonna hit a wall where I'm just like, I need some change in my life. - Cheese. - Or cheese. - Or cheese. - I need some change in my life. I need some kind of radical change in my life, whether it be for my mental health or whether it be just like, if I'm still doing a creative job, it's always a nice change of pace to like switch your environment.

- It's just nice. I like the thought of just removing all complexities from your life. I mean, I guess I've done it once before, but that was like a very, very extreme version of just removing all external complexities. This is kind of like a lighter version where you're kind of just,

you're doing your own thing, you're living to, you're just living, man. You're just living out there. - I'd be happy camping for a month. It'd be fun. - Yeah. - Would you? - Yeah, the joy I get from making a fire and cooking a meal on that fire. - Yeah, but think about it. If you lived in a van, you could do that anywhere you want, whenever you want. - Yeah. - As long as you're not in someone's backyard, you could do that wherever you want. - Bro, America has so much land, man. - Yeah, fuck yeah. - But I'm like, okay, I'd rather just,

travel around it and I don't know. When I see these van videos, sometimes it makes me depressed. - Why? - 'Cause I look at it and I'm like, wow. - You don't have an espresso machine, you poor thing. You can install one in the van, that's the first thing you can do. - Some of them look a lot better than others, but sometimes someone will show their van and it's like, it just looks really sad.

- It also looks lonely. - There are different levels. I've also seen- - Listen, fucking Justin Bieber's tour bus. See, that's where I'm like, all right, let's do this van. Can you show Justin Bieber's custom tour bus? This is where I can do the van life.

- That's not a van at that point. - But I saw this one where this woman had to like, she was like, I'm gonna shower now. - What the fuck? Jesus Christ. - I think I can do the van. - That's a hotel room, bro. - Yeah, I can do the van life. - Yeah, that's a moving hotel room. - Yeah, I can do the van life. - Oh, if it was this, I could live in that for the rest of my life. - Like there's like so many levels to it, but it's basically what you're comfortable with because I like, I've been recommended every level, which includes just,

- Guys who are living out of their cars in New York. - Living out of their mini coupe. - No, no, no, like literally just living out of their cars. And he's like, here's my apartment tour. And like, I think my favorite comment is just like, motherfuckers will be homeless in New York, but be like, but the food is really good though. - That's true, that's true.

- Motherfuckers will literally live out of a shoe box, pay 3K for rent, but be like- - You know what pisses me off the most about New York? When they fucking tell you about their water. I don't give a fuck about your water and why it makes bread taste better. Stop fucking telling me. No one cares about your fucking water. - I haven't heard about this New York

- Oh my God, if you talk to New York, they don't shut the fuck up about it. New York is like, "We got the best bread in all of America." I'm like, "It's not that good. You think it's better than it is?" "No, no, our water is scientifically proved. It's the best water in all this." And it's like, "No, I don't think so. I disagree." - I think Scandinavia. - "It's scientifically," and I'm like, "Have you been to Europe?" "No, but New York, we got the--" And it's like, "Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up."

- Did you notice this when we were in New York? - We'll never shop by that damn water and why it makes bread tastes perfect. - I never heard a New Yorker talking about their water. Maybe I'm lucky. - I find it charming. - I summoned them in the comments. I found it charming at first Garnt. - Yeah. - Until you literally can't tell them that bread is not the best in the world. They won't take it Garnt. - It's like getting New Hong Kong Josie bro. It's charming at first and then it gets fucking annoying. - You can't tell them that bread's not the best in the world. They lose it. They like self-destruct.

- We got the delis though. - I know you go to a lot of parts in America and some parts are more like the others. New York is one of the cities that I think has its own kind of culture, which I think it has a real unique identity to it, which is more than I can say for a lot of cities.

in America, which is something I really, really respect about New York and New Yorkers as well, which is like an identity, you know? I kind of like dig that. - Okay, but like, do you think that the whole van life stuff, 'cause there's so many van life influences, which my brother's actually been inspired by. - Oh yeah? - He's got his own van. - Oh shit. - And he travels around. It's fine, it's nice, it's cozy. - Dude, my dream car is a combi van.

- Oh, really? - Yeah, Volkswagen call me man. I really want one. - I don't know what he has, but it's good. For him it was like, okay, well he'll work on it a bunch, but my dad helped mostly. But if I tell him that he'll get annoyed by this. But like for him it's like, okay, that's more of a like, okay, we live in this place, we have a good time, then maybe we do like week long trips in this thing. And for that, I was like, that sounds like a really healthy way. But when I'm like, you're living out of it, and then I see some of these videos and I'm like, is this just like,

I don't know. Does it feel like the last option? Cause it's like, I don't know what to do. Like I'm, to me, some of these, some of these videos just felt really sad when I watched them. - Why sad?

'Cause they just look lonely. They look so lonely. - Maybe they like that solidarity. - And this one video, this one person, they even said that they were like, "Yeah, the hardest thing about doing van life is, you know, it's the fact that you don't really get to talk with people or meet with people 'cause you're always in a new place." But look, I installed a new shower in my van and I was like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa."

- But isn't that- - I feel like you glossed over the most important pressing factor of living in a van. - Maybe it's my perspective, but I have always looked at these people who live out of these vans and go traveling the country or the world or whatever. I've always seen it as like, well, isn't the point to living in a van so that you can go see these new places and meet these new people? Isn't the social aspect really tied in with your lifestyle? - Yeah, but I guess some people, maybe they didn't think about, 'cause a lot of people never think about social life

being social. It's always an afterthought for everyone. - Right. - Well, yeah, because- - Maybe they jumped on the van life. They were like, "I'm just gonna fucking van everyone." - Yeah, maybe we have wrong intentions. - How do I maintain friendships here? How do I have like a existence? 'Cause ultimately we're all human and we all need to have friendships. - Yeah, we're social creatures. Even the most, like even the biggest introverts will crave social interaction every now and again, because that is just how we survived and how we've evolved and how our brains are wired. - I could give up on the meat there.

- I couldn't break it apart. - That to me would be the biggest thing that I miss is like, how the fuck do I have any meaningful conversations or connections with people while I'm in a van? - Yeah, discord. - I'm not in the same place. But that's like, why wouldn't I just stay home? - Yeah, but you can travel the world and have discord friends. - And also sometimes, I know it's not a big deal, but I feel bad when some of the van people, I saw this dude who had like three pets and I was like,

I'm like, maybe you shouldn't have three pets in a van. I'm like, I know you can stop- - I don't know, the pets get to go on fucking adventures. - They get to go crazy, but I'm like, man, I feel bad when- - It depends what kind of pet as well. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know.

- Yeah, if it's a fucking- - If it's three dogs, then I don't think there's anything wrong with that. - Yeah, yeah, but I guess it also depends on type of dog as well, I guess. - Yeah. - All right, going back to the generational thing. - All right, here we go. - I had a thought. Do you think every generation is destined to get more horny than the previous generation? Do you know what made me think this? So I was like- - The internet? - Not just the internet, but so I was thinking,

I was like on a trip and we had like a night where we were watching like the biggest hits of the 2000s or whatever. And a video of Tattoo came on. Do you remember Tattoo? - Yeah, fuck yeah. - All the things she said. - Yeah, I fucking love that song. - Do you remember how much of a shit storm it caused because it just had two like girls in rain, like making out and everyone's like, oh, fuck.

Oh, this is the shit, holy shit. - And parents were like, no, this, we can't show this to the children. It's too sexualized, it's too edgy. - I don't remember this at all. - It might've- - They were huge in Japan. - Yeah, it might've been just before, like just before- - Two Russian girls, right? - Yeah, yeah, two Russian girls. Like it was massive for me when it came out. And it came on and then I remember looking at it, I'm like,

"Fuck, this is tame as shit, man." - Even like a little bit after that, right? Like when we were growing up, like I remember being, you know, fucking, I remember how old I was. It was definitely before I hit puberty. And you watch fucking Christina Aguilera music videos and you're just like, "God damn!" Like, I don't want my parents walking in on me on this. - All right, then I think there's a very important question to ask to help answer your question, which is, do you think people are born

with weird kinks or is it something that you're introduced to and you're like, oh. - I think it's all about introduction, right? - You think so? Do you think that like, if you were a feet person, right? Oh, I guess feet doesn't count 'cause you'd always see feet. But if you were into something weird like, I don't know, what's a weird fetish? - Armpits. - No, you'd see that a lot.

You see armpits, like something you wouldn't see naturally. - You know who's into armpits now. - No, but like I said, like you see armpits. - Yeah, armpits are weird. Oh yeah, I was gonna do this real quick. - You could easily, if you were like a medieval peasant, right? You were in like, you were in 800s and you could easily see a woman open up a thing and go, actually, hold on a second. I fucking fuck with the armpits. But like you would never be introduced to like cucking, right? Unless maybe it happened to you and you were like,

- I don't know man, you're in Japan. - Yeah, the normal person would not be introduced to like NTR, right? - Sure, sure. - Most people, okay, so I'm sure there's some situations where, okay, but most people wouldn't be introduced to NTR, right? - Yeah. - So the theory is that, would you have been born being like, I am gonna like NTR at some point? Or is it like, I have to then show you and then you're like,

- I don't even think it's about showing. I think it's just about like the number of stimuli that you are subject to growing up all just kind of combined together into like clicking to be like, "Oh, I like this thing." - So then? - So like, okay, look, 'cause hypothetically think about it. If there was a person who was born, right? And they spent their entire like first 18, 20 years- - He comes out with the mother's vagina. He's like, "Mama, I am a cuck." Do you know what your first words were?

- Let's think about this hypothetically. If there was a child who was born, right? And for the first- - In Japan, impossible. - Not in Japan, let's say Europe. They were born and for the first, let's say 20 years, they were born in a room and they spent their entire lifetime in a room which has like little to no stimuli.

Like nothing in their room, like bare minimum human interaction that is deemed as normal, like no access to the internet, anything of that kind of stuff. Do you think they'll be able to develop fetishes from that? - I don't think they would have mental capacity to function. - So we answered your question. I think you might be born with like maybe some brain chemicals, like leaning towards maybe taking in certain stimuli that will lead you into that. - So then we answer Garnt's question then.

'Cause you can't say is the next generation, no. I just think the current generation is exposed to a lot more concepts. - Especially with the internet. - And porn is very easily accessible now. And back in the day, even like 20 years ago, you had to go to a fucking store and buy it.

- And even if you opened up like Playboy magazines, like 10, 20 years ago, like you wouldn't see like the weird shit that you see now. - So I feel like it was more of a joined, like it was more of a communal thing where you're like, did you see the Playboy? Did you see the X model who is the hottest, right? Whereas now it's like, what are you into? And someone's like, oh, I like getting shat on. You're like, okay.

- Oh, okay. That's a, and to you, 'cause you've had no exposure. - We don't kink shame. - You had no exposure to that. You're like, that's fucking disgusting. Why would you do that? Because for him, it's like he's been exposed and then been- - I think that's also as a result of the fact that now like the internet is just like- - We are not ready for the internet.

- Well, that's the thing. - We have been fucked. - Because people go on the internet and now we're so overstimulated that the stuff that we deemed as like fucked up 10, 20 years ago is just like normalized now. So people are just looking for the next thing. - Do you think by the time we die, there'll be studies like showing that the internet was just like, we were just fucking weren't ready for the internet. Like it broke our social structure. - I think there are probably studies that are

have already done that. - I think it would be more helpful when it's like, we're all dead, said and done. You know what I mean? When it's, you know, when they can really sit back and look, oh, the whole life. Okay, let's have a look. Let's see what happened when the internet happened to this. - So how did it come to him liking NTR?

- Let's find out. Let's dissect this brain. - I mean, I don't even think NTR, like I saw another tweet where it was just this fetish of this person. I don't know if it was a guy or a girl just in like full latex, just getting vacuums to, have you seen that? And I see that and I'm just like- - He's like euphoric.

- How do you even, like where does this even come from? Like bro, that has to start with a porn addiction, right? - Because here's the thing. - I think some people see like outfits and they're like, oh, that's fucking hot. - Yeah, here's the thing. Like some things I can cut, like I have a theory that's, you know, most fetches come from maybe how we were raised, something to do with like what we experienced. Most of the time, I have a theory that we were probably like forbidden to,

like this kind of stuff or we were told this thing is bad. So like mentally we know this thing is bad and that's why it kind of- - That's why incest porn does so well.

- Yeah, that's true. - It's the ultimate taboo. - Yeah. - Right, I think for some people breaking taboos is inherently attractive. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So I think that's where a lot of fetishes start. Being vacuumed in a latex suit, I'm like- - You're missing the steps. - How many later- - I can connect the taboo dots. I can't connect the vacuum suck dot, right?

- I don't even know if that's taboo. - I imagine like back in the day, the only people who could afford to indulge in fucked up kinks were like ultra wealthy like landlords. They were like, well, my thing is that I love people being maimed or something. Well, I love people being branded.

That's my king. And so back then it was, it was probably unlimited to like people who had money. I think like peasants were like, "Oh shit, I'm just trying to get by. I'm just trying to get some food." - Are you saying fetishes are privileges? - I think they are. - I think they are. - Just think about the latex- - The latex suit. How much is a latex suit? - Yeah, think about that for a second. - The free time to be able to hook that up. Get to a gathering. - You need to like,

- Probably 3D print. You need to either learn to learn like to 3D print a device to be able to vacuum yourself or someone has gone out and designed that for you, which you must've paid a premium fucking price.

- Buying a fucking doll. - Yeah. - Buying a doll that you can fuck is expensive. - Yeah. - It's a privilege. - And God forbid, we already know how much furries like spend on furry suit. They're fucking funding the economy by themselves. - I hate how much this makes sense. You know, I can see why this generation feels like they're doomed.

when we hear about this kind of shit. - It's just like wine. Wine is a very expensive hobby as is jacking off sometimes. - When society has gone down and everyone is homeless, it'll be the furries having the last laugh because they'll be the last group of people with money, I swear to God. - They have all the money. - They do, they do. We can make it through the harsh winter in our suits.

- When we have the great depression part two, all we're gonna see on the streets are people in fursuits, man. 'Cause that's the only people with money left in the world. That's all I'm saying, man. - Every furry I've met, they've been pretty chill as well. - Yeah, they've been very chill. - Every furry I've met has been like the chillest dudes. - They've been very chill and they have also normally been very financially well off as well to afford the hobby that they do.

- They prop up the artist sphere online. It's a well-documented phenomenon. - Jesus Christ. - Maybe like fetish, I feel like with the overexposure of the internet and with the overexposure of new things, I feel like this fucking latex suit, there must be- - Why are you so obsessed with this latex suit?

- Because it sounds absurd. - Do you want a latex suit for your birthday? - No, I'm just, I just want to know. - If you say yes, we're ending the podcast. - Really? I'll help him. I wanna see where it goes. - I'm just genuinely curious what the steps are. - Right. - Like genuinely. - It's like that famous video of the guy who bought the full latex dog suit, right? - What? - And acts like a dog. He sleeps in a giant dog cage. - Oh, I saw that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's like a British guy, I think? - Okay, first of all, I took offense to that.

Yeah.

- Probably English, first of all. - Okay, okay, my bad, my bad. - Wasn't that guy in Japan that wanted to be a dog? So he spent- - I mean, that's the least weird thing in Japan when it comes to fetishes, bro. There was a dude who married a Hatsune Miku fucking body pillow as well. - He married the DS as well. - He married the DS as well. - It's cool that we're open to cool things like that, but also at the same time, you shouldn't do that. You straight up should not marry a DS. - Yeah.

I just think that that's a bad idea. - And we shouldn't be congratulating it. - Yeah, we shouldn't be rewarding behavior like that, unfortunately. Like I think it's funny and like it makes it a very good Buzzfeed article, but that's about it. - I mean, I would prefer that you just be asexual at that point, you know? 'Cause I can kind of vibe with that. I can understand that.

Some people are just wired that way. If you are falling in love with a DS, I see that as something that you're replacing an inanimate object. - Asexuality doesn't mean the lack of romance there. So they start being a relationship.

you just might not be physical with it. Whereas a DS you can't have either. So you just- - Well, I see the DS as you replacing something that you couldn't get, you know?

- It's tough, right? 'Cause I guess, how do you, like if Joey comes to us tomorrow and he's like, "Guys, I've fallen in love with my PSP Vita." First of all, great choice of console to fall in love with. - Also it's called a PS Vita. - PS Vita? - Yeah, they have amazing games on it. - Like what? - All those amazing exclusives that were only on the PS Vita. - Well, 90% of them never came out of Japan. - Outside of Japan. - Yeah, outside of Japan. - 'Cause it was a great console.

And Japan fucking used it until like five years ago. - Yeah, it was the only country. - Point being, sorry, PSPV to sorry, PSV to sorry, Joey, to insult you and your wife. I think I'd be like, "Hey, Joey, what's going on?" Like, I wouldn't be like, "Dude, that's cool, I'm progressive." I'm like, "No, Joey, what's wrong?"

Like there's something's gone wrong here. - Yeah. - And I think that's fair. We shouldn't be like, yeah, yes to everything. I think sometimes we should be like, wait, hold on a second. No, don't, this is a terrible, what has happened? - Can you please think about this? - Can you talk to us? Tell me what happened. And if you don't have that in your life,

then there's an even bigger problem going on. Where were that dude's friends when he married the DS? Genuine question. - What friends? - Yeah, exactly. Who stopped him? Who was like, "Hey man, I really think this might not be a good idea." - Or do you think his friends would have stopped him when his parents were like, "Oh, he loves him." - First of all, this is presuming that this was a legit thing and not like some kind of publicity stunt. If it's a publicity stunt, whatever. But if it is a real thing- - Apparently it was legit. - Okay, well that's- - Like he went to the ward office and signed papers and shit.

- And they did it? - Yeah. - That's crazy they would let a man marry a DS but not let two gays marry. I mean, that's what I'm gonna say. That's crazy you can marry a DS. - That's why society's doomed, brother. - Yeah. I don't have anything to add on to that, man. That's just a fucking bombshell and I'm just like- - No, there's no way he legally got married. There must've been a ceremony. There's no way he legally, I don't believe it. Guy, get on it. - Guy? Guy behind computer. - Guy, look it up.

- Japanese man has married a character in a popular video game, taking her and his handheld game console on an overseas honeymoon. - There's no way it's a real marriage. - I think it must just be- - Like a publicity stunt. - Why does it look like young Pro-GD in that one picture? - On the one on the fourth one. - Yeah. - There's a Pro-GD fake character in one of his skits.

- Yeah, where is the news on that? - But at which point are you just like, you know, I'm happy. - Oh, there's the guy who married the body pillar. - At which point are you just like, you know what? I'm happy that you're happy. Like where'd you draw the line in that, I guess? - I draw the line when it's a Nintendo console. I think that's where I draw the line, honestly. - Did whoever owns Hatsune Miku have to sign off on the marriage?

- Well, I think in the case of the DS one, it wasn't Hatsune Miku. It was a, oh yeah, it was a character from a dating simulator called Love Plus. - Yeah, because it was one of the first dating sims that was kind of AR technology 'cause with the DS, I think he had like a GPS or something and you could literally take

- Well it had the camera on it, right? - Yeah, you could literally take this virtual girl on virtual dates and it was one of the very first of its kind. - Maybe, I don't know why I'm so adverse to the idea. - Honestly, I reckon if I was the developer of that visual novel, I would have absolutely been on board with it because that is amazing promotion for the game. - I'm so torn because at the same time, what if the guy's happy? If he's genuinely happy, is there a reason why he shouldn't do it?

I'm so torn. 'Cause I'm like, you shouldn't be allowed to do this. - No, I don't really- - If he's really happy and that made him happy, who am I to rob that man of his happiness? - Yeah, but there's other ways to be happy, you know? - Yeah. - That are not like impossible to obtain. - But then I think about like some friends I have where they, well, I think they're happy and they drink, but I'm like, I think they could be happy other ways.

It just happens to be that drinking is what makes them happy right now. You know what I mean? So I'm really torn. Like you are entitled to your happiness. - Yeah, sure. Oh yeah, of course. - But is that happiness like to a self detriment almost? Like is that, you know, I don't know.

- Yeah. - I mean, he looks fucking happy in that picture. - He looks very happy. - That's not love. - That was 2020 as well. That's years later. - I remember this advert. - He must be just going along with it. No shot, bro. I don't believe it. I don't believe it's real. I don't, no way. - Did you see that Tinder added a pay to win function now? - $500 a month. - Fuck. - Yeah. - If you are paying $500 for Tinder, you all have to- - Actually, I think I'd rather get you like marry

- This is like the different tiers now. - If I knew my friend was paying for that Tinder premium, I'd be like, yo bro, I got this new girl, I swear down. - And you know, that proves to a fact that Tinder does not give a single fuck, not that they have, but they always use this veil of like, we actually, you know, we have had success stories. I fully believe Tinder has some success stories. - Some.

- Oh no, no, I have a friend from high school who married his dinner date. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's definitely people who, you know, and they use those stories as like, look, we are offering a valuable function. And at times they do, but then they pull shit like this and other stuff that they've done in the past where they've made it so that like you straight up just, if you are an undesirable man, you just won't be matched with anyone.

because your score is, your in-app score is too low. - That's so fucked up. - And then offering $500 to me is symbolizing and willing to take advantage of people who are so desperate to meet someone else. It's not like this guy who's found the yes and he's happy. You are actively taking advantage of the loneliest people with money to burn

Because any single person on earth that you meet up with, if you tell them you spent $500 on Tinder, immediately unattractive. There's no one on earth who's gonna find that attractive. - Totally. - I bet those dudes are the type of dudes that will ask to split the bill anyway. But the point being is that you're just wasting $500 a month to be lonely.

It's such a fucking awful idea. And it's fucking embarrassing. I hope that they don't actually do it. I hope it's just a publicity stunt. - Yeah, please don't do it. - The sad thing is I don't think it is a publicity stunt. I think- - They just wanna make money. - I think for them it's a legit business move, which I think unfortunately is going to work. - They've obviously done research before launching something like this. They've obviously identified a market

for this and a lot of people are clowning on it, but I think those people who are clowning on it were never gonna be part of that target audience anyway. I think that is a very specific target audience. And I think honestly, there is a market for it. It's just now it's just out there in the open. There's always been a market for it for,

- People who wants to find partners who have a lot of money and partners who are willing to pay for that. - When I first moved to Japan, I had Tinder premium, which allowed you to like unlimited. 'Cause I was just lonely. I just wanted to meet someone. - Oh yeah, because there was a limit to how many you swipe, right? - There's a limit, right? And to me, I was just like, I just wanna have the highest chance possible of being able to fucking meet up with someone, right?

And then I realized what they do is they constantly dangle ahead of you. They're like, wait, but like, if you had this feature, I'm pretty sure we can get you somewhere. - You are not a high enough rank. - Yeah, but I was never gonna do it. 'Cause I was like, I'm already paying fucking five fucking dollars a month, fuck you. I'm not giving you any more fucking money. And they would just dangle these things in front of you and they would add these superficial features that just did not help. Just straight up just did not help. And you know, Tinder has proven

if you are of a certain desirability, you will just not have success on Tinder. 'Cause the app has figured out that no one wants to fucking date you. That's on your profile for whatever reason. And no amount of money is gonna solve that problem. So it's just cruel. It's so cruel. - Yeah, they're taking money to give you the illusion that you still have a chance. Which is just fucked up.

And not to mention all the fake profiles and stuff like that. I very quickly gave up on Tinder in Japan. I was like, fuck this is stupid. - What'd you guys think of the whole like pickup artists? Have you ever heard of like the whole pickup artist community? - There's a community for that? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's one YouTubers who are pickup artists. There's also a guy who's married who's a pickup artist. And there's one video where he made his wife watch his videos with him.

- Are you serious? - It was the most painful video I've ever seen in my life. - What's wrong with people? - Yeah, I think Charlie did a video about it and it was horrible to watch. - Wait, so explain this like pickup artist community to me. - So it's a community of men, basically. - Men. - Of men.

it's kind of an offshoot of let's say the guru community that I think there's like, you know, they have like, you have like the financial bros, you have the crypto bros. - Five ways to please a woman. - Yeah, now you have like the pick up artist community, which is kind of that same kind of guru structure, but for lonely guys who want to learn how to- - So what, do they just like teach you pick up lines?

- They teach you how to be aggressive towards women normally. These dudes are just aggressive. - Oh, women love that. - If you cast the net out wide enough, you're bound to have some success, right? - I wanna see a pickup artist in that community that just like teaches dudes like just terrible pickup lines that just never work. - All of them do that. - Are you from Tennessee? 'Cause you're the only 10 I see. - A lot of them are like, "Hey, buy my course." - Yeah, a lot of them are just like,

Let me show you how to pick up 10 girls and get a number 90% success rate or some shit like that. - I call this the infinite pussy glitch. - A lot of these guys who are making these videos are conventionally very attractive. So you already, the easiest thing that you can do to increase your chances of landing a date or a pickup is be fucking hot. Which most of us aren't.

That's not how it works. So the reason why these fucking shitty corn, if a guy who was not attractive and a guy who was very attractive said the same cheesy pickup line, there's gonna be two very different results. - I need to see a pickup artist who is all go. Then I'll be more convinced. - It's called 10 to $500 a month. What I do is swipe crazy.

- No, okay, the reason I'm bringing this up, right, is because I wanna play devil's advocate, right? - Okay. - Because- - You think men need it? - Huh? - We need this. - I think, okay, I,

- I guess I've never talked about this before, but- - You need it. - Huh? - You needed a pickup artist in your darkest hour. - Hell yeah, I did. Okay, so like, I think the whole like epidemic, pandemic or whatever of like the loneliness, like especially lonely men,

I think a big problem is that a lot of guys who let's say are in the same situation as, you know, marrying a DS or getting attracted to or getting very, very addicted to porn or getting, having so much emotional connection to fictional girls or like pay to win. There's so many different ways to offset your loneliness because at the end of the day, it's easier

to do that than it is to learn how to not be lonely. And there was like literally a book that changed my life and it was called "The Game" by Neil Strauss. And it is literally a book about some like

an author, a writer who found himself in the pickup artist community. And I believe he's done a lot of like fucking terrible things now. I don't know what he's done nowadays. I know he doesn't have the best kind of like reputation now. But at that time when I was about 16, 17, when I discovered this book, seeing this like story told about the whole pickup artist community and

or the techniques that they use and everything like that. What I got out of it was at the time I was just a fucking lonely ass guy who did not know how to socialize. And-

- Reading that book, it didn't make me fucking aggressive towards girls or anything like that. It just gave me some like training wheels to work with, to overcome. - What kind of tips do you feel helped you? Kind of concepts? - Just kind of like icebreakers to like, how do you open up a conversation without coming out- - And not sound creepy. - Yeah, yeah. How'd you open up a conversation and not sound like a complete-

or a complete creep. 'Cause I didn't fucking know how to do that. - You know who needs that? Fucking Japan. - Yeah, that's the thing, right? - This country needs that. - That's the thing. And like, I started off like my university life kind of like going around this, some of like the things that I had read from this book, not as like a complete Bible, but just as a, I don't know what to do in this situation. So let me just follow the fucking flow chart of social interaction to see, to give me like the training wheels. And then from that,

But after I just experienced the real world, that's what gave me the training wheels to really learn how to socialize. So like I fucking empathize with a lot of lonely guys out there because I was fucking, I was that guy. I did not know how to go out basic social situations. - Okay, but here's the question then, if the $500 Tinder thing had come out when you were in that lonely period, when you were 16, 17, would you have taken it? - Assuming I was rich? - Assuming you had infinite money glitch, would you have done it? - Fuck no. Fuck no. It's like paying for porn. - I'm asking you on.

- I don't know, loneliness is fucking painful, man. - That's why I'm asking this hypothetical. - Hypothetically, I would like to say that if I were, let's say rich, but I was fucking lonely as shit. - If you could afford it. - Yeah, if I could afford it. I would like to think I was a better, I would be a better man, but I've been in some fucking dark places in my life. I cannot hold my hand on heart say, yeah, I'm,

- Guys, I would be above this shit. I would be above all of the fucking things that we clown on because holy shit, there is nothing more like depressing than being starved of human connection. - Oh yeah, absolutely. - For sure. - And if you have no one to fucking judge you on your actions, what the fuck are you gonna care about, right? - That's true. - That's exactly what this is marketed to. - When I see a lot of these guys who get very angry online or very, what's the word?

- Jaded. - Jaded, with like interacting. Normally with men approaching women, it's like 90% of the time when I see these dudes who feel burnt and for whatever reason you can see how they interact with women, you're like, oh my God, you're just,

you just approached a random woman and just started trying to like, you didn't come into this with the same level of interest. Like you immediately are way more into this person than they are into you. And you've got to recognize that energy difference. You've got to recognize that like you're on a different level here. And one, you flat out just shouldn't approach random people a lot of the time. It doesn't work. That's not how life works. You cannot just see someone who's attractive and approach them.

- Sure, for some people it might work occasionally, but most people don't fucking do that. - Which is why I don't get in Japan the whole Nampa culture. - What's the Nampa culture? - Nampa, it's basically like pickup artists, but in Japan. But like you see, if you go to like Shibuya or Shinjuku, any like big city, late at night, you'll see these like pretty young looking dudes, like probably in their 20s, just fucking walking up to women and being like, "Onesa, Onesa, do you wanna go hang out? Do you wanna go play?"

"No, you fucking creepo." Like no woman with any self-respect is gonna be like, "Oh yes, random creepy dude that I have no idea about. I'm gonna go along and fucking hang out with you." And I'm like, I look at these guys and they're doing it like,

inside trains and like at the train station, out in the street, in stores and stuff like that. And I'm like, when does that ever work? Especially in a country like Japan where stranger friendliness is close to zero. - Yeah, exactly. - I'm like, what are you doing? You're wasting your time. And you're making yourself look like an idiot. - I think a lot of dudes don't know when to quit. That's a really, really important thing when you're talking to someone is knowing when you're like, you've clearly- - Inconvenience. - You're either inconveniencing them or you've gone too far or maybe you're making someone slightly uncomfortable. You can tell they're not interested.

And that's okay. If someone's not interested in talking to you, that is a human thing that everyone is entitled to. - Plenty of fish in the sea, bro. Don't worry. - This is why people get so annoyed. Even if it's like friendship, it's like you are not entitled to someone's friendship. You're not entitled to someone's time. You're not entitled to someone's capacity and emotion. - For sure. - And I get really frustrated when I see this online when dudes are like,

"Oh, that dead fucking woman didn't want to talk to me." And it's like, "Well, yeah, she didn't have to. "You approached her." - She doesn't know you anything. - "You are not entitled to this." - Yeah, exactly. - No one is entitled. And it is a very attractive trait to be like, "Ah, this person is clearly not vibing with me. "I'm gonna remove myself from the situation "because I'm clearly not very welcome in this situation. "Just get out of it." And that's one of the most,

as a human being is being able to read that energy. I mean like, okay, I'm clearly- - You're saving their time and you're saving your own time. - I'm clearly like, I'm done here. And it's okay, you didn't fuck up. - Yeah, it's fine. You don't have to be friends with everyone. - It's not a slight on you. Don't fucking let your pride get in the way. It's okay to sometimes not be in the correct vibe.

- Yeah, I think honestly, a lot of the example of these guys, unfortunately they just have not had the right role model to like teach them what the boundaries are, what's like acceptable and like not acceptable because a lot of people are fucking lonely, but not everyone who's lonely is also an asshole and doesn't know what boundaries are, right? And yeah, it's just- - I think it's a small minority that are these assholes.

- Yeah, unfortunately it's the most vocal and the ones that get a lot of attention. I mean, it's not just that, it's just like, there's a lot of assholes you see on, especially like, not just like pickup artists, but what was the latest thing? Like fucking door to door salesmen and shit like that as well.

- Wait, what? - Daughters of salesmen are fucking floating with- - They're back now on TikTok. - Yeah, they're back. - They're back. - Selling like solar panels or other stuff and like there's dudes who are like, "Do not leave the property unless you've asked eight times."

- That's harassment. - Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. - What the fuck? - Yeah, these people, it's like, they're just like, they're like, the concept is, and this happens in relationships or sales or whatever it is, it's like overwhelm someone to the extent where they physically, they don't know what else to do other than to cave into what you say.

- Yeah. - And that's like the whole concept behind all of these, whether they be pickups or door salesmen, should be so intense, so assholey that they have- - They can't say no. - That they're like, they feel the only recourse is to then agree to whatever it is the fuck you're trying to do. Like, okay, fine, fine, fuck it. I'll buy your fucking solar panels, fuck off.

- It's insane what the culture is like. - That's insane, yeah. - Again, probably someone selling a course on how to sell. Fuck sake, why are there so many people selling courses? - 'Cause it's easy to do. - Courses are a fantastic way of milking someone for money. You can be like, buy step one, buy step two. Ooh, you're nearly at the best club right now. You're nearly at the top tier. It's a trick all the time. Fucking look at religion.

There's a very, very famous religion that I won't say, we don't wanna get cease and desist, but that always does it. That does this, they're like, "Oh, but you need to pay $50,000 for the reading material. Let's go to the next level." - Yeah, courses are easy for a lot of people because you're making a profit without actually delivering or selling anything physical. - They learn from the best universities. - At the end of the day- - Sell them the books. - That is the biggest fucking scam of all time aside from student lozings themselves, which is- - What are you gonna do, read another book? Nope.

This is the only book you can read. - What if we just pirate the book? Can you do that? - So wait, were you guys forced to buy certain textbooks? - Yeah, but I got in trouble one time. Did I tell you about this? I think I might've mentioned on the podcast. My friend bought the book and I asked for it and I printed off all the sheets that I was using. And I took them into the exam and they told me I couldn't have it 'cause it wasn't the official book. And I'm like,

"It's the book, it's just in a really shitty format." And they were like, "You have to buy the book." And I was like, "I don't want to buy the fucking book." - My course you were forced to, I think we only maybe had like two textbooks for the entire three and a half years I was there. And if you didn't buy it, they were kind of just like, "Oh, just go and buy it eventually." But like, they weren't like anal about it. - So we did engineering and one of the most important things of engineering was the, like the thermal capacity of each material.

And they would have a book that they would release each year with like the properties of the materials. And mainly it was the thermal capacity, it was. And every year they would update it. And I was curious, I was like, what's the difference? And between two years, it was like three materials have been slightly updated because they had better reading.

But it was like, I don't feel like this has any bearing on my exam. Like I don't think that I should be forced to buy the new version every year. Fuck you. - Yeah. - Buy the new fucking version. I didn't have much money. I'm not paying $200 for a book. No fucking way. - Yeah, it's pretty absurd.

- I'm trying to remembering how, because I didn't have to buy one. I had to buy four or five, I think. - Yeah, that was the main one, but they tried to get me to buy other stuff too. And I was like, I'm not buying that shit. - I fell for that shit, man. And I use one of those textbooks, I think. And the rest, I kind of,

- I'm trying to remember how did I learn? - One Piece is great. It really taught me a lot about pirating and being a pirate. And I think that I found that very useful. - There is such thing as a good pirate. - I think that One Piece is a lot of core masters that I took to my university years. But don't ever pirates, very bad. - But what was I gonna say? Do you think you learned shit in university?

I learned what I didn't want to learn. I always tell people, I'm like the most valuable thing you can learn sometimes is learning what you don't want in life. What you know categorically you don't want.

- I wouldn't have started YouTube if it wasn't for the stuff I learned at uni. - Me too. - 'Cause I learned video editing at uni. - Well, I didn't learn that. I fucking learned to learn the hard way. - You learned video editing in university? - Yeah. - I'm fucking lucky, I learned it myself. - Fucking Sony Vegas. - Yeah, Sony Vegas. And it was all fucking Cod tutorials all the time. - We had Final Cut and like we were learning video editing for one of our courses. And that's when I got interested in making videos. - What'd you learn in video editing?

- Well, I mean, it was basically just like- - These are cut guys. - Well, yeah, honestly, it was a great way to get my foot in the door, but like obviously the rest of the shit I had to kind of experiment and learn myself. But before then, like you'd open up Final Cut and I'm like, I don't know what the fuck I'm looking at. It's too much shit. But like, I learned like very simple, just like, you know, cut, you know, simple effects, all that kind of stuff to like make it look a color correction, all that kind of stuff. And then the rest of it was just like, okay, I'll just teach myself. - I think I've learned how to do exams in university.

I didn't learn how to do that. I barely passed. - Oh, you barely passed? - I think by the end of my uni, I think I had just passed the bare minimum to graduate by like six points or something, which is like nothing. And I got that paper, I was like, "See ya." - I learned the entire meal deal menu combination. I went through all of it. There's a Tesco Express on our campus. - I learned where every pub was in the campus. - Yeah, I think every university student learns that, especially...

- I'll say it, the most valuable thing of all. - What? - Social life. How to socialize. - That's true actually. - That's the most valuable thing. - That is true. - That is true. - That is true. - University, I mean like- - I was just not social before. And I think that I underestimated how doing my job now and even when I do things that aren't entertainment and not like YouTube, but I'm doing like just straight business talks or trying to discuss things, being able to,

pick up on social cues and knowing confidence in social situations is genuinely an invaluable thing that you need in life.

And I think university really kind of gave me the kickstart to get that. 'Cause you rock up and it's like battle royale social simulator. You're like, "Oh shit, I gotta start making some fucking friends or I'm gonna be fucked in this battle royale." - Well, you're also thrown into like the deep end of the independency pool, right? Where you're just like, "Oh, well, there's no like teachers there for you to like, you know, make friends for you or like there's no parents always like hovering behind you or anything like that." - That's just important because that's the last time in life.

you're gonna get a shared experience with everyone around you. - That's true. - After that, no one has shared experiences, it's gone. It's the one time where you kind of get to make friends for free. You have this one joining factor where you can kind of all relate to. And that's gone. So then, you don't realize it, but like it's kind of the training wheels for being social. And it's really the last chance you have. 'Cause some people don't in high school, but a lot of people don't and that's fine 'cause you're worried about other shit like how to fucking spell English words correctly, which I still didn't figure out.

So, you know, I think it's important to make sure you learn how to get social skills. And for me, that's what university was. - Then what the fuck did we learn in high school or secondary school? - I don't know, just how to exist. - How to exist? - Existing is hard.

- I found a lot of like the hobbies that I still- - This was easy back then. - Yeah, for me high school was important 'cause I found a lot of the hobbies that I still hold dearly to my heart. Like I think it was the first step, like as you said, like it's kind of the training wheels to figure out, start to figure out, okay, who am I exactly? - I'm a fucking degen baby. - I'm a fucking degen. - I'm a fucking degen baby. - It's the first time you really start having some form of responsibility, which is, you know, grades come into the question in high school. You don't have any grades

- You gotta go to school every day. - And then now you're like, okay, well shit, I gotta worry about this thing. I have to start actually managing my time. You start learning really core concepts. And then I feel like after that, learning social skills and being encouraged to do so is really a side factor a lot of the time. 'Cause teachers don't care either. 'Cause they're like, I don't fucking care. I don't give a fuck about this kid being social. - It's not my responsibility. - I gotta teach him math.

And then you get to university, you're like, oh shit, I have to learn this for myself now, otherwise I'm gonna be lonely. - Yeah, yeah. I feel like teachers care even less in university. - Oh, they don't give a fuck at all. It's not their responsibility. You're an adult. - It's their side project on the research project that they're actually doing. - Yeah, it's like you're the adult, that's the last adult training wheels. It's like, you're already an adult, but okay, hold on now. Let's give you three years to figure it all out. We don't need Russian in the world being dumb, all right?

- Other kids think you're fucking straight into it. I have mad respect that they were able to make that decision and be like, fuck it, I wanna work. - University is like, you're an adult. Well, are you really? But no, you're an adult. I swear, I swear down. And then you go to the other world and you realize, oh, they were fucking lying to me. They were giving me adult easy mode. - And then the people who don't wanna do that take a gap year.

- And they're like, "I'm not ready yet." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh shit, dude, I thought I had bills figured out in university. I had like two bills to pay. I was like, "Shit, easy, bro." Paying bills is easy. And then nowadays I'm like, "Oh shit, okay, I'm juggling all these things. All right, I gotta pay all these bills. Holy fuck. How much is my health insurance? What?" - Yeah. Oh, do you know what I learned in university? I fucking hate housemates. - Really? - Yes. - I like housemates. - You like housemates? - I kind of miss not having a housemate, yeah.

- I suppose I have Sydney. I don't really count Sydney. - Well, that's not a housemate. - Sydney is a housemate. - Yeah, she's a housemate, but- - What do you mean she? Would you wanna choose that as a fucking housemate? - No, that's different. - No, it's different. - It's a housemate that you bone sometimes, that you go to dates with, all right?

- That's already quite different. I think a lot of housemates did that in my university life. - Sometimes you bone your house. But this is 24/7 boning committal and no other bone in the lab. Okay, the point is that, I mean, you kind of get the same things that prop up. It's a bit different, right? Because you, you know, but there are the same things that pop sometimes maybe.

Maybe Joey, you're the bad housemate and you don't do your dishes. Maybe Aki has to do them for you. - Sure. - You know what I mean? - Housemates is where I learned, oh, not everyone does have the shared experience. That was my first rude awakening to be like, there is this basic etiquette I thought I was brought up in in a certain household and this person doesn't fucking do it. And you either got to teach them and be an asshole. - Like the guy who had the wine glass in the underwear drawer, right?

- There was a fork actually. - I was a fork, sorry. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Maybe you didn't know things as well. Was there anything that you didn't, you were like shocked to learn when you got into university? - I feel like I'm in a good house, mate.

- That's what they all say. - The only thing I did was take up freezer space because that was my mother taking up all the freezer space with takeaway boxes. - Well, they probably thought the same thing. They were like, "This motherfucker taking up the freezer space." - Okay, there's a difference between taking up freezer space and leaving my fucking fork in your underwear, used underwear drawer, okay, Joey? - Yeah, that's fucked up. I got pissed off at this one guy used my pizza tray, which admittedly wasn't expensive. It was like a pound.

But he used my pizza tray to cook a whole fucking chicken. And there was just charred bits of chicken that I could never get off this pizza tray. And I thought, what a cunt. He didn't even clean it. He left it there for three days. So the chicken was fused with this tray. I got so annoyed. I was like, man, have you no respect for other people's property? Come on, man. - I got to a point where I just realized if I buy milk,

I need to drink this as or use this as fast as possible because it is no matter- - I gave up on milk and bread. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I had to buy the tiny milks, which was a thing in the UK. I love this thing. I wish Japan did this. Well, they kind of do, but it's not the same. They have like, they used to have like the two, two, three liter big jugs of milk that family could get. - Sure, sure. - Then they had the one liter. Then they had like the 250 or 300 milliliter little cartons of milk. It's so fucking awesome. - Well, Japan has like the 300 mil.

- Okay, I hate the fucking cardboard boxes for milk. I like the plastic one, the one we had in the UK. I love that. - Those are pretty good. - It was so nice 'cause you can also pick it up and see how much you have left. Can you pull it up?

- UK milk cartons. They're so good. I really, really hate the American and Japanese design. - Are we fucking just shouting out milk cartons now? - Shout out to milk cartons. - This one, look at this one. Look at this one down here. - Yo, UK. - No, no, no, blow up. - It's the plastic ones. - Oh, those ones. - Yeah, yeah, those ones. - Yeah, yeah, we had those in Australia as well. - Yeah. - You guys learned. - Yeah, yeah. - We taught you right. - And look at the mini one, the mini one. - Yeah, the mini ones, yeah.

- This is the best. - The mini one. This is my favorite one. - Oh, the bottom. No, no, no. Yeah. Left, left, left. - Left of that. - Left of that. - Left of that. - No, no, no, no. Yeah, you're so close. - Left, left, left, left. - You got it. It's mini. - That one, yeah. That one, that one. - Look at it. - That one, yeah. - Yeah, look at that thing. - That's a mini one. - Look at it. - That's a tiny one.

- Little baby one. - I love this, but bread, there was no mini bread, unfortunately. - No. - Bread for one person in the UK, you know, 'cause when I go to America, I'm like, why does your bread last three weeks? What's going on here? 'Cause in the UK it would last a week if you're lucky. Day three, it's already like starting to be pretty hard. So, you know, and that's the stuff with the artificial stuff kind of preserving it.

Really fresh bread, day two is Donzo. - Why are we raving over milk cartons, bro? - 'Cause what a fantastic design, really. I think we should really encourage designs like this to be more commonplace. Yeah, plastic, but I've already given up, bro, on microplastics. I'm done, bro. It's already over for us. At least let me enjoy my fucking milk cartons. - Me stopping it isn't gonna save the fucking turtles at this point. - Japan, they recycle the milk cartons.

or the plastics. - Okay, yeah, to be fair, like Japan is kind of like hypocritical in that sense 'cause they're like, oh, all of the milks are in paper so that we can recycle them, but we're also gonna individually wrap every single piece of gum in a packet as well. - Yeah, and then what happens to all this plastic in Japan? In most places, burned. So fantastic, yes, it's made for electricity, but it's still burning it. So I'm like, let me have my fucking milk carton. Stop wrapping the bananas. I will take not wrapping bananas for milk cartons like this.

- You wanna get rid of the wrapping of the bananas? - I don't need a plastic enclosure for the bananas. - Oh, I thought you meant like the skin. - No, no, no, no, no. Whoa, no. What the heck? - Un-skinned bananas. - They plastered bag bananas here. I don't want that. - Unpeeled bananas? They selling unpeeled bananas now? - What? - I think I was a good housemate though, other than my incessant shouting. But that's a pretty big bad one, so it's fair enough. - Yeah, that would piss me off. - If I was waking up for, if I was hungover and I just heard, "Ah!"

- I would wanna kill you. - I'm gonna ask my old housemate. I'm gonna ask right now. Hopefully she replies. I'll be like, what was the strong points and bad points? - What was I? - Hello. - Yeah, I only had housemates for like, what? Three months maybe when I first moved to Japan. But that's because when I first moved to Japan, I didn't have like my own place and it was a lot harder to like get your own place before moving to the country, right? So I moved in with a friend of mine, two friends of mine.

which I'm sure if you know the history of my channel, you know who they are. But yeah, I didn't like it. I realized I was like three months was more than enough to be like, oh, I don't like housemates. - Even if you have friends, you don't necessarily get along well with them when you're living together constantly. - Also it beats that no other feeling than going downstairs at like 9:00 PM, they're chilling, you're like, what are you watching? Like Lord of the Rings, I'm halfway through it. I'm like, oh, I'm in.

- Oh yeah, I had moments like that too. - You're like, fuck yeah. - I had moments like that too, but it was also just kind of like, oh, you know what? I kind of like my own privacy sometimes. And like just having your own room is not the same. - That's a big difference because I was never that guy who just saw people watching a film and was just like, oh yeah, I'll join. Because to me, I was always in the mood of,

- I'm not really in the mood to watch this right now. Maybe I'll watch it some other time. - Bro, I had arrogance to play. Like I'd rather do that. - You guys just don't want to be social. That's what I'm hearing. - No, no, no. I do want to be social. - You want social on your parameters. - I want to be social. - Yes, actually. - Yes, this could be an introvert comment. - I want to be social when I'm ready to be social. - I'm never going to say no to Lord of the Rings, especially my boys watching it. I'm like, all right, all right, okay, come on, let's go watch.

- I just like- - Please tell me if I wasn't like, if you walked downstairs and trashed it off, I'm watching "Lord of the Rings." I'm halfway through it. Wait, which one of you hasn't watched "Lord of the Rings?" It was fucking you, I knew it was you. - Well, we did watch "Lord of the Rings." - Yeah, I know, so I remember- - We have now watched "Lord of the Rings." - Yeah, but we did this in Hawaii. Someone put "Lord of the Rings" on one of the hotel rooms and we all just stopped and started watching it. - Oh yeah, we watched "Return of the King," yeah. - I'm gonna be real, if I had my own room, I probably would've fucked off.

- Yeah, it was in Garnt's room. We all went to Garnt's room for some reason. And then Garnt, I was- - Because we were gonna have drinks and then you put on Lord of the Rings and I'm like, "Well guys, by the way, this is the third movie and I haven't watched either one of the previous ones." And you guys were like,

- Don't care bro. - That's right, we all met in dance room. I put on TV and I was flicking through channels, I saw Lord of the Rings and then we all were like, five of us, we were like, let's just watch Lord of the Rings. - Bang a movie. I was like, guys, I haven't seen that. And you're like, don't care. - Well, the gun is never a bad time to watch Lord of the Rings. I think even watching them out of order is okay. 'Cause they just start to bang a movie in order out of order. - Is that a take? - 100%. - We were like, who cares? - Like John Wick, right?

- Exactly like John Wick actually. - Lord of the Rings stands the test of time, Jon. - I'm sure it does, I'm sure it does. - I was a great housemate, generally. I was a fantastic housemate. - I just don't believe people who say that, you know? - Dude, I cleaned the most, which I feel is the hardest part of being a housemate. - Oh, I cleaned the most as well. Did you clean?

- Yeah, of course I did, yeah. - Did you have a cleaning rota? - No, I was the fucking maid of the house, bro. - I don't believe it, I don't buy it. - We're in a fucking true crime investigation now. I heard the stutter in the voice. - Yeah, I got it. - I got it clean. Psychoanalyze. - JCS pauses right now. - What we have here is a man who just got caught in a lie.

- Notice that his eyes looked up to the left, inciting that he might have potentially lied. - When you play L.A. Noire once. - The detective will now realize this lie and continue the line of investigation in this direction. - So Joey, we know you didn't clean. We have the evidence, right?

- We know you didn't clean. We saw the crime scene. - We have the roommate's testimony right here, Joey. - Oh really? - We have it in the other room. They ratted you out. - It'll be easy on you just to admit now. - We have an anonymous tip for someone. - Joey, we can help you out if you just confess. If you just tell us you didn't clean that much, we can help you out. - No, I did actually clean though.

- Okay, what would you look for in a good roommate then? Aside from obviously companionship because hopefully you're living with people that you like, which is the bare minimum of what you would hope for in a good roommate. - I mean, honestly, if your roommate's kind of in the same friend group as you, it's chill 'cause you can all just hang out and then when you go out, they can join you. It's just good vibes. - Okay, one other thing as well, which is an unfortunate reality.

I've never been in flats where, you know, if it was like more than five people, there would always be some kind of drama around some bills getting paid. And I think that was, and I think that is the fucking massive thing where that is like the friendship ender of like how, okay, you can get along perfectly well with someone. You can fucking chill with them. But as soon as,

this kind of like financial responsibility comes into play. That is what I found to be friendship end is not for just people that I had roomed with in the past, but from what I've heard from people around me as well. Cause unfortunately some people are just really fucking irresponsible. And I think being roommates with someone is a big tell about

Are you cool with someone? You can be totally cool with someone, but they can also just be a completely like irresponsible person in some things that now is affecting your life. - I think you just described why content,

just don't work out in the long run either, right? Because like, I feel the same phenomenon happens where it's like, oh, I really like this other person. I like making content with them. I respect them as a creator, blah, blah, blah. But it's very different living with that person where you see everything else, right? And they might not be as like mature or right in the head as they make themselves out to be on camera. And then- - Got a bunch of egos in a room.

- Get a bunch of you guys in a room and then yeah, it all fucking crumbles apart. - Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think it was my university and I think even more so my London experience 'cause London shared flats and houses was such an awful fucking experience for me that I was like, I think I'm good. - You had a horrible experience which I think easily could define how you view it. I think that's fair.

- Yeah. - It only takes one man. - Yeah, I think it takes just one bad neighbor or one bad roommate to be like, "I'm fucking done." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Fuck this. - I'm fucked. I'm fucking done. I'm only living with my life partner and that's pretty much it for roommates. - Yeah.

- You figured it out, man. You cracked the code. - Though I do like to have fun with the boys, just not always living with them constantly, but maybe some people do actually like roommates. - It is kind of scary, well, like every time we go to America, like how many, like especially creators ask like, "Oh, so do you guys like live in a house?" - Yeah. - Like in a creator house? - What scares me more isn't how many creators live in a house, it's how big some of the content houses are. - Well, a lot of them fail. A lot of them are destined to fail almost 'cause you just can't have that many egos in it.

in one building. - I mean, even with some creatures that I'm totally chill with, it's not even about egos, but when you have fucking nine people in a house, I'm like, this is- - That's a party. - This is too much. This is too many people that I am constantly around even if I'm totally chill with everyone here. And that's too much to manage for me. But hey, in fucking, in a city like LA,

In a city, in a major city like New York, sometimes you just have to room with someone. And I think I learned early on that I guess it's just worth moving out to find someone more affordable.

- If only you could afford it though. And that's why people are doomed in this day and age. - This really has been a Duma podcast, hasn't it? - It's been a Duma podcast as equally- - What a way to end the year. - All we've talked about this podcast to end the year of 2023 off is talk about fetishes, doom and overstimulation. - Let's talk about something nice to end this year off before we call it today. - Swag money. - What's the best thing that happened to you guys this year?

- Let's have some positivity to end things off. - Hemorrhoids. - You're gonna get a hemorrhoid. - You gotta get the hemorrhoids, man. - There's gonna be an arc on Trash Taste. Has Garnt got hemorrhoids? - The hemorrhoids arc? - I still do not have hemorrhoids. - Hemorrhoid check.

- Can Giga beat hemorrhoids? - It's like a coughing baby versus hydrogen bomb. Hemorrhoids versus Giga. Which one's which? We'll never tell. - What is the best thing that happened this year? - This year's gonna be a blur. I don't know about-

- We've done so much, right? So it's like kind of hard to- - I will say- - I mean, you had your Thai wedding. - Yeah. - Oh yeah, that was this year. - That was January. - Holy shit. - Okay, you guys got to experience my home country. - Yeah, we saw Thailand. - Fuck, that was so much fun. I'm still salty about the pad thai that you paid for. - I'm salty after I heard about it. - It wasn't bad though.

- I definitely could have had better though. - You guys came to Australia as well, right? - Yeah. - I fucking love Australia. - And we went to Wales for the Europe tour. So we all visited each other's home countries this year. - We went to Cardiff. - It's not really Wales. - I mean, you guys went to Melbourne. - Do you know my favorite memory from Cardiff is when we went to the castle and we met that Welsh guy who seemed,

of how many times- - All the dudes standing in front of the castle. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. This tall guy was like, "Oddly proud of how many times this castle had been taken over and stormed." - And he's like, "It's still standing there." - Yeah, Wales is just that Goku meme where he's on fire and smiling. Like that is Wales. 'Cause it's like, "Hey, we always get fucked, but we'd never leave." 'Cause I think, you know,

around them at that period, there was a lot of countries that got taken over, especially in Europe, right? And Wales the one that was like, "No, we lose, but we're staying." They just kept getting fucked for millennia and they were like, "We're still here. What do you want?" - Damn. It was pretty funny just how excited he was. 'Cause like he found out we were doing the show in Cardiff and he was like, "Oh, next time you should do a show in the castle." And I'm like, "What? It could fit like 60 people in there."

It's like, yeah, it'd be great. - It would be fun to do a show in a castle or just anything in a castle. Castle is just cool. - Let's fuck in the castle.

- I don't know, what else? I mean, we did so much traveling this year and a lot of new countries as well, which was always hype. - I just had a lot of fun, you know, doing all the cool streaming stuff this year, but it was hard for me. Just doing all that fun, crazy projects that I've been working on the year before. - Yeah, was the charity auction this year? - Charity auction was a huge hype for me. That was amazing. Yeah, that was really, really- - I genuinely like, it's been such a blurry year that I was like, was that this year or was that last year? - It was this year. - Fuck. - It was in June. - We're getting to that point.

- No, I swear to God, sometimes, I don't know if years are just getting longer for everyone or if just three months feels like- - Getting shorter? - They're getting shorter, right? 'Cause 2023 felt like it went by like that for me. - But also three months ago feels like a year ago for me almost. - That's because we're doing a bunch of shit, Garnt. - Three months ago we were like on tour. - Yeah, not even, two months ago.

- It was October bro. - Shit. - No, sorry, you're right. It was September. - No, it was three months. It was three months. - Yeah, it was September. - It was three months. - My bad. - Yeah, that felt like a year ago, man. - I mean the US tour was a year ago. - Yeah, that's true. - Which feels like five years ago. - It feels like five years ago. I don't know, are years getting longer or shorter? I don't know. But this year felt, it kind of felt like a blur, but it also felt, I don't know,

- There was no good games this year. - No good anime either. - There's no good anime, no good games. It was all a blur. - Shit movie. - There was no games this year. There was no games.

- Just none at all. - I'm sorry, I interrupted your thought. - I just thought it was a funny memory to forget. - Well, maybe Connor, if you played Baldur's Gate 3, and not the fucking Suica game. - Game of the year. - You'd think that there were good games. I mean, there were good games as well, 'cause Honkai Star, I'll give that a shit.

- It was a weird year. It felt like a year of continuation. I think that was the theme of this year in many senses. It just felt like an extension to the years prior of almost like recovering from COVID. - Yeah, in a way it was kind of just like people weren't really figuring out exactly how to get back into the swing of things because we had just come out of the whole COVID thing. - That was last year though.

- No, but like it kind of ended early last year. - I feel like it's still going. I feel like people are still mentally readjusting from that whole period. - People are like, oh man, we were locked off for so long. How do we like life again? - Well, you know what the Kanji of the year was for Japan? Every year they have a Kanji that symbolizes the year. - What was it? - It was tax this year.

for all the tax hikes this year. So tax was the kanji of the year. And I'm not kidding. Tax was the kanji of the year. - That's so funny. - Because Japanese people are obviously like, "Motherfuckers raising the tax on us this year." - Is that serious? - Yeah, look it up. Last year, last year, do you know what it was? - What? - War. - No, it was fight. - It was war the year before, correct? - Was it war the year before?

- So 2020 was , which means to stay close because of COVID. 2021 was or gold because of the Olympics. Yeah, 2022 was , which means war or to fight. And 2023 was , which is tax.

- People, is there a reason why? I believe it's 'cause of the tax hikes. They were a huge part of Japanese kind of meme culture as well. - Well, it's also probably because during COVID, Japan just got completely fucked up. - I've seen many of them writing this kanji. It's really like a, it's very fun to watch.

- It's like a very, very- - Yeah, guy stands on the podium and he's like, "This year's kanji is-" - It's so intense. This guy just kind of like this really old man with this giant brush writes this beautiful kanji. - So Japan chooses taxes kanji of the year amid concern over cost of living has been chosen as Japan's word of the year in a reflection of growing public anxiety over the cost of living and impeding tax rises. - I feel like they've blown the load too early 'cause I think it's only gonna get worse. - Oh yeah. - They can't do kanji four years in a row. - A tax cut four years in a row.

- That's what it wasn't. - Housing is next year. - Economy the year after that. - Do you think during the great sag, it was just tax, tax, tax. - There's no money to tax. - Well, at least Taylor Swift was a person of the year, right? - Yeah, next year will be Swift. Like hi-yi. - Did you hear about her interview that she gave after winning person of the year? - No.

- Did she say, "I was born in 1989." - What does this mean? - And then walked off. - What does this mean? - There's this meme of all of her concerts where like she starts off every, like you know how like it's a very tropey thing to do for musicians to be like, say some kind of like thing. Taylor Swift does it in a way which is just like,

- No disrespect, but it's just so incredibly corny. Where like, you know, she would have like, you know, one of the biggest songs is like- - You have now made an enemy of every Swifty out there. - It's fine, I didn't give a shit. But like, you know, like, you know the song "Trouble." - Yeah. - Right, like, ♪ I knew you were trouble when you walked in ♪ - Yeah, I know that one. - There's this clip that's been going around TikTok of the way that she introduces that song. And there's so many parodies of it, just being like, you know, how did you ever-

- Haven't you ever been in a situation where you've met a guy at a party and you just knew that he was trouble. And then the song starts and it's just like, bro, come on. Can you do it in a way that's a little bit more interesting, please? Learn from Lady Gaga, man. Do something interesting with it. - I think it's almost terrifying to put so much fame on one person. - Yeah, I can't imagine. I mean, that's what she kind of talked about in her interview, which was,

- It's not her fault. - No, it's not her fault at all. - I mean, what I found funny was, you know, she was talking about the whole thing that started with all the beef that she had with Kanye. - I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish. But Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. - Oh yeah, how it nearly ruined her career. - How it nearly ruined her career. And then she ended it on- - Look what happened now. - And then she ended it on, but it's okay. Trash always takes itself out.

or something along those lines. And I was just like, I'm not a Swiftly, I'm not a Taylor fan. - Fucking Slay Queen. - But holy shit. Taylor, you did not need to go that hard. How long do you think she was like cooking that line? - Stop. - She was holding onto that line. She's like Kanye is already dead. - I'm a win person of the year. I'm holding onto this line. - I wish it was true though. I wish it was true that trash talk itself. Trash people do not take themselves out.

- No, unfortunately not. - Some of the most persistent people in fact are trash. - Yeah. - That's just how it goes. - I mean Kanye still has a fan base, even after all the shit he said. - Yeah man. - Which is like insane to think. - People always on Copen. - Yeah. - People always on Copen. - Buddy made graduation. - It's my favorite meme. - I just, it sucks 'cause it's like, man, I don't even wanna fucking talk about him. 'Cause I'm like, this guy's a piece of shit. Let's just let his name become irrelevant.

But some people always want to wait to give weight to it. Cause it's like watching a fucking car crash. - Yeah. Well, this one is more like reality TV. That's what it feels like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, a lot of people do the same with YouTuber drama as well, which has also been spicy this year as well. - They just don't see them as real people in a sense, right? Like they just see it as like a show. - I mean, if you make a fucking apology video with the ukulele, do you deserve to be seen as a real functioning human being? - I think that was genius.

- I think it was genius. - I completely forgot about that. - I'm just saying, man. - Because everyone remembers the apology, but nobody remembers the apology. Everyone remembers the ukulele. It's genius. What a misdirection. - In a sense, that was goaded. - Yes, the drama itself was the talk of the town for the week, but now all I ever think about is that funny ukulele bit she did. And yes, there's drama involved there, but I think that most people just remember it for the fucking song. - Yeah, being absolutely horrible.

- It was iconic. We're never gonna top that as a human civilization and apology, genius. - I don't know, man. Give YouTubers time to cook and I think we're gonna find something new. - We'll find creative ways. - Someone needs to write a book, like a textbook apology, like how to,

how to handle these kinds of situations. - How to make an apology video by Conor Cahoon? - No. - Isn't that just called PR, which some YouTubers definitely need in their lives? - Yeah, totally. - PR is tough, 'cause everyone has an opinion and no one's right a lot of the time. - Sometimes all you can do is be wrong. It's just being less wrong. - Well, it's also in those kinds of situations, right? Like I feel no matter how powerful of a PR team you have, there's never a winning situation. Like it's always a lose-lose.

So it's just like, I don't know, man. Just don't fuck up. - Hopefully, hopefully. Well, all right gamers, enough about the swift nonsense. What are you doing next year? What's on the agenda? What do you think? What do you wanna change next year? What do you wanna do? What's the big thing? - What's the big thing? Are you talking about New Year's resolution? - What's your, yeah, what's- - Or New Year's goals, I guess. More than a resolution.

- This year I raised $950,000 for charity. I wanted to raise a million this year. - Congratulations. - Well, I didn't make my goal. So I'm gonna do it next year. - Still a shitload of money, bro. - Yeah, I'm gonna do it next year, easy. - I wanna play more Genshin next year. - My goal for next year is to start and finish the trail series before gone. - Why can't you guys have good goals?

- That's a great goal. - No, it's just fucking terrible. Why do you get ripped, Joey? - I don't wanna get ripped. - Get ripped. - No, I'm good, man. - Give up trails, no trails. - I'm happy with how I look. - I do have a goal next year, but it is a secret and I don't wanna say it publicly yet because I know what happens when you talk about projects that are not true. - All my actual goals, I don't wanna spoil them.

- Yeah, because as soon as you say it- - Big balls. I want big balls next year. - I'm getting a third testicle. - I'm gonna juice them up. - Massage them every day. - I'm gonna do ball stretching techniques. - My skirt will be down on my knees, bro. - Okay, give me a superficial reward. Just a little thing. Okay, 'cause I think sometimes it's too easy to get lost in big accomplishments, right? We all do this and we're all guilty of it.

it's something that I think is not helpful. What I think is more helpful is little things that you wanna change next year. What is something small in your life that you wanna improve on next year? That is just a small improvement on your daily life that you think will have better ramifications on your life. - I wanna spend more time with friends and family. - Yeah. - That's pretty much the change that I've enacted. That's why I'm not doing many convention experience. Like, you know, we've talked about this. We've doing less traveling,

purely for work and that gives me more time to travel for the stuff that I value. - Yeah, I wanna cherish more of like my private life, I think. Like just kind of, you know, spend more time with obviously Aki, but also friends, family, you know, meet new people, go travel, you know, just stuff that isn't necessarily in front of camera, I guess. And like, you know, 'cause like, I feel like I've missed a lot of that being a YouTuber, you know?

- Yeah, fair enough. - What about you? - Same thing, honestly. I feel like I haven't appreciated time with close ones as much. Trying to balance that time. It's always tough. Balancing time is always tough. - It is tough, yeah, for sure. - And I think I got to that point where I want to focus more on exciting, generic YouTuber things in my career. I just wanna focus more on exciting projects that are more fun

I have put a lot of work and love into. - Creatively challenges. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, I'm not gonna say now just because as soon as I say it, expectations are gonna come and I'm not gonna wanna work. - Just let him cook, let the man cook. - Yeah, yeah.

But that's as vague as I am willing to be about some of the shit that I've been working on. - But hey, like when it comes to trash taste stuff next year, we do have some pretty nice stuff cooking up. - Trash taste is changing kind of in 2024. - I think it's safe to say that, you know, when you've been a podcast for four years, nearly now. - Three and a half, yeah. - How close are we to four?

- We're nearly at episode 200. - Next May is four years. - What episode are we on though? - 180 something.

I don't know, Jesus, that's a lot. You know, I think Trash Taste is, we're nearly four years in now. So I feel like we have to start being like, all right, how do we make this, we're still fresh to the audience. Because we're past that honeymoon phase of the podcast where the first two years, you know, everything is all new and then we've got all these stories to talk about. So I think we're all actively trying to think, how do we make Trash Taste engaging so we're all still engaged? But also you guys are still engaged. Yeah.

So I always, one thing that I despise when people speculate over like what we're doing and trash taste or the reason why it's changing. And it's like, dude, we just,

Ultimately, I think we just, we all have our own stuff that we love doing, but Trash Taste is still like this thing that we really want to make as good as possible. - Of course. - Yeah. - But at the end of the day, it is just a talk show. And I think that's gotta be the core of it. Like how do we keep that core alive, but also make it new. - Yeah. - Make it exciting. - I think we had a talk about what direction we wanted to take Trash Taste in 2024. - Yeah. - And I think we,

We only have a limited amount of time that we have to work with on, there's only so much time that I think we're willing or want to put into Trash Taste just because it's right now it's like a good 50/50 split between Trash Taste projects. - It's healthy. - And personal projects. And I think if there was a different ratio split, I'd probably be unhappy with one side or the other. - If it was like barely in Trash Taste, I'd feel like why, what the fuck is this?

- Yeah. - If it's too much, I'd be like, I hate this is the only thing that I can creatively invest in. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And we had a few options of different things that we could pursue and I think,

the thing that we all wanted to pursue was doing more videos with each other, just not in the studio. - Yeah. - And you know- - Or you know, different from just like the regular, just us sitting here talking kind of thing. - Yeah. And previously, you know, we had called them specials because there would always be big budgets, big ideas, and you'd only get like a few of them per year, if not fucking,

- Which is fine, but I think it also made it very limiting. - Yeah, made it very limiting. So next year we kind of wanted to put all of our spare time we don't have recording the podcast into making more,

I would like to call it trash taste outside. - Yeah, just like fun little videos, kind of giving you guys more outside stuff. I think, yeah, but obviously to do that, I think we have to be in Japan more, which is like the big thing. So I think we had a lot of tours. We did like back to back tours, which was a lot.

- Which a lot of people were like, "Why are they fucking touring all the time? "They should fucking make something." And to some extent I agree. I think touring is taking a lot of time. - It has. And energy as well. - Yeah, it's like we had to prerecord a ton. And I think that in some senses it might've hurt the podcast, in other senses I think it helped us. When people ask me why I do it, why I personally did touring, I always tell them, listen,

as an entertainer is what we're supposed to be doing. The most valuable experience you can get is real onstage experience, having to be entertained. - Totally. - Having to like read the crowd, having to like kind of have that kind of feedback. - Totally different skillset you have to learn as well. - Dude, I think as an entertainer, it's like there's no way to improve so rapidly other than being on stage, having to make jokes, try these like sometimes unfunny jokes. Sometimes you bomb. Sometimes you say a joke that it doesn't get any reaction.

It was an amazing reaction. And like having to have that kind of live feedback is so crucial and learning stage presence and learning all these factors. I think it made us all like better entertainers. Like watching, you know. - And it definitely like lit a fire under our asses too. Like meeting you guys, you know, after shows and stuff and seeing you guys like physically there. Like it made us realize like, oh, okay. Like we don't want to disappoint you guys.

want to obviously like creatively, you know, challenge ourselves as well. But we also want to make sure that we give you guys the stuff that you'll be proud of and you'll enjoy watching. So yeah. - We've earned enough of that shit. - I'm done. - I think we're pretty confidently say at least 2024, there probably won't be a tour. - No, there won't be a tour. - Okay, so we might have some one-off shows in some cities. I will say that anytime we've made the decision

Anytime that we are traveling to a place for maybe some kind of event, there is probably gonna be some kind of ulterior motive, which is probably going to be a Trash Taste Outside, a Trash Taste Special that we're gonna be filming there. - Hopefully. I mean, we're really bad at saying things and committing to them. Well, I mean, not in general, just with only with specials really.

- The one thing we can promise you though is that there will be more specials in 2024 than 2023. - Absolutely, it will. - 100%. - We said that last year and we didn't commit to it, but I swear to God this year we actually will. - This time we're actually committing to it, trust us. - Also I think one thing that we're trying to do is give more value to patrons. - Yeah. - Right now we only have the credits at the end, which is fine. I think it's fine 'cause I think a lot of patrons don't really

They just want to support the show and- - And early access to clips and stuff like that. - Yeah, and you get early access to clips. But we're actually making exclusive content for the Patreon. It's nothing crazy. Just chill little things that if you really enjoy the show, you might like. Sorry about that. - Actually right now- - Oh God. - It's all flooded up. - That's all right.

- As Connor said, excuse me. Yeah, if you guys actually go to the Patreon now, starting from this month, we're going to be releasing weekly videos on Patreon uploaded at the same time as we upload each of these videos here on the YouTube channel, just for you guys. So you guys over on the Patreon get extra content every single week of us. In fact, if you go on right now, then you get a bunch of content for this month that is fully available to watch.

And you can do so by going to patreon.com/trashdays. It supports us in making like cool specials and other cool projects outside of just regular podcasting. But also you guys get to see us do some stuff that you'll never see or never have seen before. - To be like completely transparent, we do wanna bring more value to the Patreon. And a lot of that is because of the plans that we have in 2024. We've already filmed some specials and one of them and a few of the ideas that we already have booked out.

some of the highest budgets that we've ever spent on a video. But that's not going to be every video, right? That's like the expectation that I wanna set. We want to have a mix of,

high budget and high kind of like- - High quality but lower budget. - High quality and some videos that are just more casual, you know, that are easier to film. - Totally. - Just more shit of us doing things that are not in the studio. - That aren't just talking shit for two hours, you know? - Yeah.

Because I know a lot of people have been asking for more streams and that's been a big like talking point. And to be completely transparent, one of like the biggest hardest decisions we had to make is Trash Taste After Dark started as

complimentary content. Like that's how it started, right? We kind of like went live randomly one time. - Yeah. - And a big part of After Dark was COVID just gave us a lot of fucking time in the country. - Yeah, After Dark was completely unplanned. - Yeah, yeah. It was completely unplanned. And we did a lot of fun things with After Dark. And I think,

going forward it's going to be the same kind of feeling where if we do a stream, it's going to be a special event. - Yeah, I saw a lot of people being like, "After Dark's fucking over." It's like, no, no, Garnt said one time that we're not really focusing on it. It'll probably still happen at some point. It just won't be frequent at all. I think that's a healthy way of approaching it. - It's more like if it happens, it's just going to be the same kind of feeling when the first time we went live with After Dark, which is just, fuck it.

we just had some time and we wanted to go live. And that was pretty much it. - The channel is currently being used to show every Trash Taste episode forever. So if you do wanna watch Trash Taste at random points with live audience, you can go do that as well. - Yeah. - Twitch as well. - Yeah, so Patreons, we hope that you're happy with like the mini pieces of content, which some of them are just ideas that really did not fit on other channels. - Yeah, I have a channel.

- Yeah, I was playing Mario Kart or Mario Party. Like it just doesn't really make sense to make a whole stream of that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause like most of them are just like half an hour videos or some shit like that. And most of them are just filmed

right after we have some spare time between recordings. - Yeah, they're kind of made with the intent of like, after you've watched your weekly Trash Taste episode, then there's just like another little side thing to like kind of finish it off. - Like the important thing is we try to make it not only manageable for all our plans, but manageable for our mental health as well. So we don't get burnt out. - Yeah, ultimately I think,

- There's a huge value that we place on being here consistently weekly and providing you a show that we think is good every single week. And some weeks it's super easy to do that. And other weeks it's really hard to do that. But ultimately we just try to give you something weekly. We hope that that's good and that you enjoy it. And we're gonna try our best to keep doing that for the next year as well. - All right.

And that's pretty much it for this year in a Trash Taste 2020. - Hey, look at all these patrons though, boys. - Look at all these patrons that have signed up. - These guys were the ones supporting us in 2023 and have made it possible. - Yeah. - And again, if you would like to support the show into the new year of 2024, as well as get access again to the patron exclusive content, which we will be releasing every single month, then head on over to our Patreon, patreon.com/trashtaste.

- Also follow us on Twitter, send us some memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify and we will see you gamers in the brand new year of 2024. - All right, see you guys. - Bye.