We Got REALLY DRUNK Again | Trash Taste #192
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- Welcome back delicious daddies to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm Joey and I'm with two more delicious daddies. - A secret kink you wanna talk about Joey? - No, I'm with two more delicious daddies gone Connor. And get your beers out boys 'cause we're drinking. - Hey, cheers lads. - Cheers. - What are we doing today? - We have to do these every now and then 'cause people keep asking. - Well it's a Friday today and we thought that it would be a good way to start our weekend

by just getting shit face drunk or maybe not. - Great. - Or not Joey. - Hey, I'm all right this time. I drank my UConn. So I drank the magic potion. So I'll be all right. - I've drank only non-alcoholic beer for like the past two weeks. So when I drank that, I was like, oh shit. - This is what a real beer tastes like. This is what a real beer tastes like. - How does it feel? You're a man again.

- I actually kind of think of the non-alcoholic growing on me quite a lot. I think I'm preferring it now. - Stop it. - It's good for a casual one. - How old are you still? - I'm 27. - Mate. - What, I can't have a non-alcoholic beer? - No, you're fine. The Australian in me is offended. - What, it's good. See, Garnt has come over since the last time.

- Yeah, but he's old. - You're gonna come over. - Wait, wait, wait, what does that got to do with anything Joey? - What does it being older have to do with this? - I'm just kidding. - What is ageism got to do with- - I can't wait till you get to 30 Joey. I'm gonna play the old Uno reverse card on you. - Give me eight months and I'll be there, don't worry. - See, I haven't got to the age yet that I enjoy whiskey for the taste. I can taste the difference, but do I ever go out of my way to be like, I need a nice whiskey.

- When you're not into like whiskey or you're not into wine, it feels like a conspiracy when everyone else is talking about the differences in the flavors. You're like, you're all fucking with me.

- No, you can't tell the difference. - Yeah, no, 'cause I remember- - This all tastes like paint thinner to me. - Yeah, no, 'cause I remember I only got into whiskey or I started to, I guess, get whiskey, quote unquote, maybe a few years ago. 'Cause before then I was like, "No, this tastes like paint thinner. "This is horrendous." And now that I'm into it, I finally, I'm not quite at the level of I can discern the difference between the different whiskeys, but I do kind of understand when whiskey heads are just like, "Yes, this gives a smoky flavor."

- I can smell the smoke. - 'Cause it's like, yeah, if I fucking put smoke on anything. - But before, like a couple of years ago when I was into it, I'm just like, nah, it all just smells terrible to me. Like, I don't know the difference, but now I get it. - I'm gonna be real. I think that way about wine. I just, the more I've become a wine connoisseur, I guess, which is a fancy way to say alcoholic.

the more I've gotten to like drinking different wines, I'm like, okay, wines come in two categories. Wine I like and wine I don't like. - I thought you were gonna say red and white. - I feel like this is why I'm probably a bad wine enjoyer is that I just generally enjoy every wine I've had except for like very, very cheap, like $5 wine. - We've had some nights on cheap, cheap wine and you were enjoying it.

- Well, yeah. - Depends on drunk we are. - First of all, first of all, everyone knows, everybody knows, at least anyone who drinks fairly often, the first drink is when you bring out the expensive stuff. Every drink after that, you can- - Get cheaper, get cheaper. - You can just buy the shittest stuff, 'cause you're like, "I don't give a fuck now. "I've already had my one enjoyable drink." It's like craft beer as well. It's like the first craft beer is delicious. The fifth one is...

is just no different. - What do you think then is the one type of alcohol that no matter how old you get, no matter how much your tastes change in life, you don't think you'll ever come around to?

- I just can't see a world right like whiskey. - I can't do tequila. - Baiju. - Or tequila. - Really? - Yeah. Every time I've had it, it just tastes like paint thinner. - I really like Baiju. - What is this then? - It's the Chinese one. It's the Chinese spirit. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That sounds scary. - It is scary. - It is scary. 'Cause it's like a stupidly high alcohol. - Also, sake.

- I've tried to get into it. - Sake for me is like whiskey. I used to not like it and now I actually can. I've gone one step beyond with sake. I can now taste the difference. - Chris gave me this yogurt sake one time. It was literally just a yogurt drink that had sake in it. And it was really good. But I imagine if you drank too much, you'd easily throw up. - Yeah, I mean, you could say that about anything. - Well, milk plus alcohol feels like a deadly combo. That feels like a combo asking for suffering. - Yeah, but you could say that about, like if you drink like too much water, you can throw up.

- Well, I mean, listen, you have to admit that it's easier to throw up on yogurt than it is to- - Yeah, obviously. - 'Cause you can like curdle and stuff. - Yeah. - I've seen this guy that's being like recommended on my YouTube shorts recently and his entire channel is based around going to a bar and ordering the most expensive drink there. - Okay. - And then-

just making a cocktail out of that drink. Like it's like every time he goes up to the bar, he's like, how much is a shot of this cost? And people were like, oh, this is like $200 a shot or something. - God damn. - And he's like, can I have that in a cocktail? And I'm waiting for the one time there is going to be like a bar manager that says, fuck off.

- Well, I mean, probably have, but you probably just didn't upload them. - Yeah, you probably just caught them, yeah. - When I was in Vegas though, I went to this party and it was on some rooftop of a casino and yada, yada, yada. And it was an open bar. So naturally when you hear it's an open bar, you wanna order the most expensive thing on the menu 'cause you're just like, "I wanna see." But I wanted the, they had a beer that costed $30.

- Like a regular pint of beer? - Just a normal beer. It cost $30. And everything else was like 10, 15. In America it's expensive. I was like, well, I want to see what the $30 beer is. And they pull it out and it's like this tiny little beer, like this glass, kind of like a grenade. - Not even a pint? - No, it's like 250, 300 mils. - What the fuck? - And it's 14%.

- What's a wine? That's a wine. - It's basically a wine. - That's a wine, yeah. - Well, actually, 'cause when I went to Rotterdam and I tried wild beer, it was just wine. 'Cause I guess the way they ferment can be similar, I'm not sure. But anyway, tried this beer and I was like, "Why is it so fucking expensive?" He's like, "Oh, it's from Belgium and it's the highest grade of beer." And I was like, "Okay, no, no, no."

- No, no, no. Beer is this every person's drink. This is not a thing that is meant to be turned into like a Louis Vuitton. Like with air is great beer, but beer should never be more than like $10 a pint. I mean, you know, obviously inflation and whatnot, but generally it's the staple alcohol.

And that's when I just realized, man, every time I go to America, I find out some new thing that's super expensive and I never heard about because people just wanna feel like they're buying the best of the best thing ever. - But like legitimately though, I always- - Oh, it's that blue one. It looks like that blue label on the- - Oh, the very left? - It looks very similar to that, but like small, whatever that was. It looks kind of like that. - Shumai. - I don't know if it was that brand, but it was very small and it was a blue label.

- Maybe the view is in the- - I mean, you can get a full pack for- - I don't think it's that one. - You can get a full pack for $28. - But I mean, I was in Vegas, so there's a high chance this could be just a $10 beer where they've marked it up to- - Yeah, but that's the thing, right? Is that like, whenever I see all of these like super expensive like whiskeys or wines or anything like that, like I legitimately wonder, okay, does that price just come purely from like the fact that they're using like the best grapes or the best ingredients or whatever it is, or is it just marketing?

- Marketing, generally marketing. - It's gotta be, right? - Yeah. - Well, you know, like the founder of like, well, at least one of the co-founders or co-owners of, I don't know what the chain is called, but basically the one who owns all the luxury brands like Rolex, Louis Vuitton, whatnot. It's like the second richest man on earth. - Yeah. - Overtook,

Elon Musk at one point during the pandemic. - Damn. - Which just goes to show how much money is in these luxury goods things if it can make this one guy the richest man on earth. 'Cause there's just way too much profit 'cause these brands, they cost barely fucking anything. - Yeah, that's true. - Have you seen those YouTube channels where they tear apart like a coach or- - The big like fucking bags of coach. - He just tears them apart. - Yeah. - And then he's like, "This is probably $30." - I know the exact guy you're talking about. - He literally just gets a coach bag,

- Tears it apart, cuts it all off. And he's like, okay, this is good technique here, David Tash. He's some European dude. - God damn. - Yeah, a lot of the time these bags that cost $2,000 are literally like $40. - Oh yeah, yeah. - That includes like labor to build. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - What do you think is an expensive item that is actually worth the money? And is there anything that is worth having a really big price tag on it? Because I feel like some,

some people can make the same argument maybe for technology as well. 'Cause you know, you- - I don't know, I was gonna say technology to the answer to your question because I feel for the most part, like, you know, where it gets expensive is when you start to kind of go overboard with how much it's actually capable of. Whereas if you buy the stuff that just does what it's supposed to be, you know, what's supposed to do, for example, then I think in this day and age, it is pretty affordable for what it can do, right?

- Like a graphics card for instance is not that expensive unless you go like the really fucking- - Well, well, well, well, Joey. - No, no, no, but I'm talking like- - You can get very cheap ones. - Yeah, I'm talking like the really like fucking overkill ones, right? Where it's like, no, like it's cool to have, but it's not like necessary to play the majority of games, right? - Yeah. - And for streaming,

- Well for streaming, sure. But for a lot of people that's like their job or their hobby, right? So they're willing to spend it on that. - Even more so on stuff like camera equipment, which is an entire range of, "Hey, do you wanna just take a photo or video on your phone?" Versus buying 15 grand cameras. - Yeah, exactly. - Yeah, even then it's like,

that 15 grand is only a solid investment if you know what you're doing. But a lot of these camera companies now, they advertise saying, hey, dude, you're a great photographer. Yeah, exactly, exactly. But I mean, they're getting really advanced. What's a good thing that's worth the money? Is there something that I've spent money on where I really feel like every dollar was worth it?

- A house. - That's probably one of the- - It goes to that level, you know, when we think about stuff like that, right? - Honestly, like, I got a really, we got all very nice desks and I feel like they were very worth the money. - Oh yeah, the standing desks. - It sounds so stupid, but like,

- A fucking nice desk feels so fucking good. - Yeah, totally. - Stuff like that where I'm like just little things and I'm like my coffee machine, actually, there we go. Worth every fucking dollar dude, worth every fucking dollar. That two grand that I spent on that thing, I think I've already saved two grand on coffee I would have bought. - Yeah, sure, sure. - I still haven't bought beans for it 'cause people keep buying me beans for my birthday or whatnot so I still never bought my own beans.

- Well, that's what you're saving all the fucking money. - Yeah, dude. So I'm like, and I had this big brain idea. I was like, man, I hate having coffee outside of my house now. I was like, I hate buying a coffee. 'Cause I feel that like I have this machine that's great and I like the taste of it and I can make it the way I want.

So I was like, oh, I should just fucking get a bunch of to-go cups. So if I'm leaving the house now, I'll just make a coffee in the morning, put it in the to-go cup and just take it with me. A good office chair. I got a new office chair recently, which was not like a gaming chair. And I don't know if I'm just got into that age, but it has been- I want to get rid of my gaming chairs.

- Yeah. - Like a proper ergonomic chair. - Yeah, like a proper ergonomic office chair. - True, true. - It was pretty damn expensive. Definitely more expensive than- - Yeah, what's that? - Herman Miller's one. - Herman Miller's one. - It's a Herman Miller one. - Yeah, okay, okay. - And literally sitting on that, you know, immediately you notice the difference in comfort, but it's definitely after you are sitting there for like,

eight to 10 hours during like a big grind session at work, you're like, damn, okay, this is making a massive difference. And I can only imagine how much that extrapolates over time. - I'm definitely debating to get rid of my gaming chair and swap it with like an ergonomic one because it's like, at first it was cool, you know, when like, 'cause when I think when we all got one, it was kind of at the peak of like everyone was getting this like, you know, big gaming chairs, but like, I don't know, nowadays I sit on the thing and I'm just like,

- I don't know, man. It's just not as comfortable in long periods of time. - Yeah, I think I really like mine, but I think that when I'm sitting in it for like 12 hours sometimes, I think it's just too much. - Also it's a pain in the ass to clean. - I've never cleaned.

- That's a real gamer right there. - You have to clean chairs? - Wait, you clean your chairs? - Yeah, I do. - I've never cleaned my chair. - Well, because like, because my gaming chair has like the- - Dragging off on it? - No. - I mean, yes, but- - That's a fucking lie. That was the biggest lie told on track. - He's jacking off on it. That's why he's cleaning it. - It's not my number one position.

- It's number two. - But like, you know how the gaming chair has like, you know, it obviously has like the neck pillow and then also has like the waist pillow. If you look behind those, like it collects like a lot of dust and just gunk and shit. So you should probably check it out. - Do you have the butt indent in your chair? - Hell yeah, dude. - Okay, okay. - Hell yeah. - The only reason I really wanna get a desk chair, a different one is 'cause I actually don't want one that goes all the way up.

- I kind of want one that's cut off of my shoulders. - Like these ones. - Yeah, 'cause when I was using the green screen, it was really fucking annoying. And I actually think it looks nicer. - Why? - Well, 'cause the- - 'Cause it's in the shot. - It's in the shot. - Oh, okay. - It's cut off and the green screen's like here. - Also they take up so much goddamn space. - Yeah, so I actually, I had an old one, similar size to the ones that we have upstairs.

And she's huge, huge. It was literally the biggest gaming chair available. And then my mom called me up and she was like, "Can we get rid of it?" 'Cause it's still in the UK. - Right. - And I was like, "Yeah." She's like, "Yeah, she's in the way." And he's like, "Mom, it's okay." - It's fine. - Get rid of it. - It's fine. - So she's getting rid of that. I don't know if she'll get money for it. We'll find out. - How much do you think posture actually matters? Like I know as an Asian parent, posture was drilled into me as a kid.

- As someone with bad posture, I think it's quite important. - In the long run, it's definitely important. - Yeah, I think it's very, very important. - You don't wanna end up like those Japanese people, old people you see in the station every now and then walking at like 90 degrees, you know? - Oh God, yeah. - Yeah, your posture is very important. - Well, there's so many weird trends that are like being spread around now. Like how the fuck did mewing start? - Oh my God. - You know mewing?

I don't know what that is. - I was just thinking of the Pokemon. What's mewing? - It's just with your mouth, right? - Yeah, I think you have certain exercises you can do with your mouth and tongue that make your jawline more defined. - Yeah, this has proved to not be effective,

by the way. - This totally does not surprise me at all. So basically you just- - You want a more defined jaw. - Yeah, you want to give a chad chin basically. - Sure. - And so there was this trend that's being spread around where if you do certain exercises with your tongue, if you like permanently have your tongue up on the roof of your mouth, then you can train your jawline to be more defined, I guess. I never properly got into it, but I just saw a few videos about it. I'm like, why is this- - Every viewer subconsciously doing it.

- Yeah, yeah, everyone's just. - Well, that is actually like a trick that I learned when I was doing like modeling stuff is that like to make the jawline seem really nice, you kind of stop yourself in like a mid swallow or like put your tongue on the roof of your mouth. And that way, when you do that, naturally this bottom part goes up. And so your jawline looks more defined just for that split second. - Is your tongue not normally on the roof of your mouth? - No. - Oh, mine is.

- Really? - Yeah, I normally rest it at the top. - That's not resting. - That's resting. - How is that resting? You are- - Yeah, 'cause when you were talking about the whole time, I was like, I think my, before you mentioned- - So you are just a natural miwa? - I guess I've been here. But my jawline is- - That's why his jawline is impeccable. - Well, actually the British accent, the tongue is always at the top.

- When you think about it, right? Americans, right? When you do an American action, you bring the tongue down, make it flatter. So the American- - Wait, is your whole tongue like flat on the roof of your mouth or is it just the tip of your tongue? - Mostly the tip. - Yeah, I mean, that's the same with me.

- When you're resting, right? - Yeah, it's like, "Hi, my top gum." - But I've never really thought about it. - If you speak with an American accent, normally, if you ever try to do American accent, the best way to do it is to bring your tongue back, flatten it, and make it wide. - Oh, I guess it is. - And then if you were to do a British accent, or I guess Australian, you put it upwards and your tongue kind of goes like this. Whereas the American one is flat, British one goes up.

- Well, that's what like, you know, like linguistics experts like. - British is just expert. - Yeah, I guess so. - Every British person has an impeccable. - Yeah, this shit is fucking dumb shit. I think it's like. - And I've seen British people, so I know this is a, this is bullshit theory now.

- There's a ton of people who look like the very left guy on the second row there. - Dude, I mean, I feel sorry for people who don't have pronounced chins in a sense, 'cause they're just like everyone on TikTok and whatnot is just being like, yeah, how to fix this? How to fix you? If I have brown eyes or blue eyes, there's no how to fix that. I think I'd be a bit pissed off. - Yeah, it is kind of annoying. - 'Cause I've never looked at someone who has a face like that and thought like, ugh.

Your face needs a fix up. Like I don't give a fuck. - Yeah, I literally never had that thought until TikTok started putting it in my head that I should think about this. And then I see people with it. Now I'm like, why the fuck is TikTok making a fix up? - You meet someone like that and they're like, oh, you didn't mean it. - I feel like this is how we train people to be like racist in a way. We just like keep exposing them to this idea that this is bad and they'll eventually learn it.

- Yeah, it's not bad, who cares? - If you don't have a chin, hate them. Think that they look weak. - They're terrible human beings. - Think they look awful. - Tell them they're weird. - It's like, what the fuck? What is this? - Well, it's kind of like all the different rabbit holes you can go down because I had no idea a lot of these things existed.

And now the idea is just planted in my head. - Yeah, me too. - And I feel this a lot sometimes where there is this thing that is as a bad thing that I never really thought about. And now I'm thinking, well, I never really thought about it, but now that I'm thinking about it, I'm scared that I would, I'm scared about this idea. - I had no idea this could be seen as a negative trait. And now I'm thinking about it. Is everyone thinking about it? - Yeah, exactly. - And I'm like, what if I'm doing it without being intentional?

What if I do this into unintentional bad thing? And shit, I'm like, now I'm thinking about it. What if I'm just a bad person?

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- Unless you are actually a bad person, then you should always stop. - Okay, but we were meant to be playing some drinking games today. - Okay, seems appropriate. - Yeah, since we are drinking right now. - Really? - Did you plan a bunch of games? - No, I just thought we could play a drinking game, a simple drinking game, Truth or Drink. - Okay, easy enough. - So we know each other pretty well. So I'm wondering how well

- Wait, wait, so to re-clarify the rules, right? It's someone asks someone a question. - Yeah, could you give me an example? - Okay, actually, let's try an example right now. And I guess we could do it for all of us. I guess we just say the truth or we drink.

- I feel though, I don't know how well this is gonna work with trash days 'cause we've already said a lot of personal shit. - The first question I got asked is who would you bring to you with you on a desert island? And I'm like, we've already had a desert island question. Okay, what is the pettiest thing you've ever done? - The pettiest thing I've ever done?

- Have we ever done anything petty? Have I ever done anything- - I've definitely done something petty. - I know you have. - Out of all of us, I feel like you would have done something petty. I'm trying to think if I've ever done anything petty. - I don't know if I've, 'cause like,

I don't know, maybe because like, it's hard because to me it might not seem petty, but to someone else it might be petty. So it's like, to me it might just be like, oh yeah, I just like did that normal thing 'cause I just thought it was normal. - What have I done that's petty? - Can you ever think of anything petty, like just casually that you've done?

- I don't know because- - Oh, okay. I know one and I'm not gonna drink. I can tell the truth of this. But the pettiest thing I've probably ever done, and I know a lot of people are gonna find this petty, but like one of my biggest pet peeves, right? I don't have a lot of pet peeves, but one of my biggest pet peeves ever since I was in high school was when someone is wearing the shirt of a band that they have no idea who they are.

- This is the most Joey thing ever. - This is already pretty petty Joey. - There was a moment, I remember in like the early 2010s especially when like Hot Topic had this thing where like, you know, they were selling a bunch of like different band t-shirts of like classic bands or like, you know, like bands we grew up with and stuff like that. And one shirt I kept seeing all the goddamn time was like shirts that just had like a big face of Kurt Cobain on it. - Yeah. - Right?

And I'm like, all right, yeah, you know, they were really famous band, loved band. That's cool. I love them too. It's whatever. But then it gets really annoying. I remember there was this one time where a friend of mine was wearing, like we went out to this party and a friend of mine who was a girl was wearing this Coco Bane shirt. And it was really surprising to me because I didn't expect her to be like,

a fan of like Nirvana or like listening to or Kurt Cobain stuff. So naturally, you know, as like an icebreaker type thing, I went up to her and I was like, oh shit, nice shirt. And she was like, oh, thank you. And I'm like, oh, what do you like Nirvana? What's your favorite song? And she, and she dead ass looked at me and went, what's Nirvana? - Guess what did you do? - So I just walked away.

And then I just was bitching to my friends being like, why would you? Because if you're wearing a shirt like that to a fan, that is an invitation for you to like connect with what you think is like a common like for something, right? But the fact that you're wearing this shirt and you don't even know who Nirvana is, let alone who Kurt Cobain is. - Just feel like you're gonna put someone's face on your body. You should at least know who's face. - Yeah, exactly.

And it's like, you know, and if that like particular band or artist or whatever is someone who like, you know, maybe a lot of people don't like, like, I don't know if someone was wearing like a fucking Imagine Dragons shirt, I wouldn't give a shit. Cause that's what they like. But like, don't fool me into thinking that you like the same thing that I do and yet you don't.

So that's, I would say for some people is like petty, I would say. That's probably the pettiest things I've done. - That's the hipster musician. - Yeah, as the hipster musician nerd in me, I can't forgive that. So don't fucking do that. 'Cause I will call you out if you do shit like that. - Have you ever had any petty moments? - I've had so many, but I'm trying to think of the hardest. - Well, what was the one that you were thinking of?

- I literally can't think of anything. - No, no, for Connor, I mean. - For Connor? - I don't know. - You said he seems like- - Well, a lot of the times, if someone- - Connor's a gamer. - If someone just says something and it pissed me off or they're wrong or they try to... In the past, I've definitely done this where someone's lorded over that they know more about something than me or whatever. Or they ex-opinion this. I'll just... If they think that...

there's like a few occasions where someone is saying like, oh, you don't know, uh, this game is better than this one. And so I'll just play the entire game just to like hours or whatever. Or if someone tells me that like X game is harder. Yeah. I think in the past I've, I can, I think Halo, uh,

- Is that why you decided to play Final Fantasy VII? - Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that was pure pettyness. So I could accurately talk shit. Same reason I toured the entirety of America with you guys. - Oh, that's true. - So I could shut Americans up. - I guess in a sense that was the pettiest thing we've done. That was a pretty petty. - If someone tells me that their game is hard and they're insistent on it and I'm like, "I don't think it is." I will just play that game and learn it and get a higher rank than them just out of spite.

- Just to be like, wasn't that hard? - That's so true actually because now- - Just out of like, just shut up. You're bad at this game. You're bad at the thing you like. I'm better and I know more than you. Shut up. - That's petty. - 'Cause every time I go back to Wisconsin now and just have like a drink with a bunch of Sydney's friends or people around there and they start talking about America, I'm like, oh, you know about America? All right, tell me. - Yeah, tell me. Name the states you've been to. - I'll show you what the real opinion of America is.

But yeah, that's pretty much it. I'm gonna take a drink 'cause I can't think of anything too petty. - Oh, there was one thing I did do. This guy, I don't know if it's petty. This guy took, stole, my little brother gave his Xbox account away. I told you about this one time. He gave it to this hacker and I couldn't do anything to like help him get it back, so it's gone.

but he played a lot of COD. And this is back in the day on COD where if you were in someone's lobby, you could join off of their account based off recent players. So I spent like a week just going into games and just finding him and killing him like nonstop for like a week to just piss him off in the hopes that he eventually give it back. It didn't work.

But I'd like to imagine that I annoyed him. - Yeah. - For like a week straight for like a total of like 40 hours, I must've just been going in this guy's games, just following him and killing him. And then whenever he's trying to talk in the lobby, I would tell people what he was trying to do. - Is that petty or is that just toxic?

- Well, he stole the account, so he's a dick. So I feel like it doesn't count as pettiness 'cause it was deserved. - Right. - But also very petty for me to waste all my time. - I mean, yeah, that's true. - But it was fun hearing the guy get angry. I do enjoy doing this. That was very fun. - Oh, I have done something petty. I guess it's pretty petty. But I remember in like the first year of university, I was, so this was like at the end of first year, right? And I didn't really try in the first year and I,

I'm that kind of guy who, this is gonna sound really fucking stupidly overconfident, but I guess I figured out how to just score well on exams. I wouldn't say I'm smart, but I always- - You knew how to game the system, you studied.

not necessarily studied. It's like, I kind of- - I'm just a genius. - No, no, no. I min max the amount of efforts I needed to do to get a respectful grade without doing as much effort. So most of the time that just meant revising the day before the exam. - Yeah, it works. - Sure. - For most exams. And I remember I had a mate who was one of those, she was one of those girls who,

had to like study for weeks before an exam and still kind of got a respectable, but like passing grade. I remember the first year she, 'cause we both took engineering courses and she was like studying weeks for this exam. And she kept asking me, "Hey, are you gonna study?" I'm like, "No, I think I'm good." - I got it. - I think I'm good. I'm gonna wait till the final day. I wait till the final day and study one day.

I got over 70% on that exam, which in English universities is like a first degree. You need to get over 70%. And I remember she got a two one, which was like a 60 to 70%. And she started her ass off and she was like so pissed off at me. And she was like, bro, this is like the first year you cannot fucking get away with this for all of your university years.

- And then I did. - So throughout the university years, at the end of every year, I would get above 70% and I'd be like, "GG, easy." Like every year I'd send it to her. And the last year, the last year when I did my master's degree,

I didn't study one day. I studied like two days before the final, final exam. - What a hard worker. - And I remember getting my result for that. I got 69.5%, which got rounded up to a first degree. - To 70. - And the first person I sent it to was not my parents.

but it was to this friend because I still remember the one time she said that to me. And that is probably the pettiest thing I've done. - Well, I mean, in the universities where you get humbled and you realize you're not smart. 'Cause you're like, oh, I'm in the fifth best university. That means there are,

five whole classes or years of people that are better than me with this subject. - I don't know, man. As someone who during university was a lot like your friend, where I would study my ass off and get like okay grades, I would have fucking hated you. - Retaining information. - I just, I don't know what it is. I'm the kind of person who,

like during class, like say for example, like during high school, right? Like I perform really well in class, but I absolutely suck at exams. Like, I don't know why, like the moment I entered it, maybe it's the pressure of being in like an exam environment, but like the moment I sit down to do like an exam of whatever it is, everything I thought I knew just,

goes out the window. - Yeah. - And I'm like, I should know this. Like I answered these fine in the classroom setting. Why is it that when suddenly it's a test, I just forget everything? - Stage fright. - The one time that I'm supposed to perform well and I don't, and I always fucking flunk it. That's why I barely pass university. - Damn. All right, what's the next question? - All right. - Well, that wasn't a hard one. I think I drank five times in between. - Yeah, I think that's what's gonna happen. - Have you ever been arrested? No.

- Right? - No. - No. - You got deported. - You got deported. - It's kind of arrest. - Well, I didn't get arrested. I have a criminal record. It's a different story. It's not an arrest. - All right. - Okay, which one of these have we not answers? When was the last time you wanted to hit somebody? - Every episode I recorded. - Wanted to hit somebody? - But I have no enemies, except the time. - Like when I was a kid, like never.

- Not since I like had the boys. - When was the last time you did that? Because I know you went through the whole fight club phase. - Yeah, that was it. I haven't wanted to fight anyone since. - Well, he got all those urges out. - I've wanted to watch someone get hit, but not me. - Do it myself. - Yeah, I'm like, I'm good. - Yeah, I think the only time I had that urge was when I actually did it. And that was to my school bully.

- Which is a justified reason. - Which is a justified reason. - When do you kind of think like you calmed down though from your- - Like right after that. Like I felt zen. I felt peaceful about it. I was ready to throw hands, but I was like, I'm good. - He depleted his rage. - I love getting angry at stuff, but I don't- - But not to the point where you get physical. - No, no. I feel like that's a sign of weakness. - I agree.

Why can't you just control yourself? - Fight with words. - Control yourself. I think it's like a weak and childish way of handling situations if you lash out. - Yeah, totally. - And if you are the kind of person that hits people or wants to hit people, I think that you should try- - Go to a boxing gym. - Yeah, dude, go do some contact sports.

But even then that's not really the philosophy they try to teach them. It's not get, not punch people. It's hey, discipline, learn how to fight, be respectful. I mean, contact sports are very, very respectful generally. - Oh, totally. - Yeah, yeah. Well, that's where I feel like you get to control your rage and your anger because I don't know. It's weird for me because I'm generally a calm person, but-

Do you guys have like this kind of like mental block when it comes to just screaming? I know you don't. Screaming at your full volume. - At people I do, but at the camera now. - Yeah. - Like I would never want to scream at someone. - Have you ever done that? - When I was younger, yeah. Haven't done it in a long time. - Yeah, I think.

- I think I'm one of those people where the angrier I get, the quieter I get. - Yeah, that's true actually. - When I see people get mega angry and they start screaming and yelling, I'm just like, how can you do that? Because I feel when I get really, really angry, I'm so frustrated inside my head that I can't even muster up the energy to talk at a normal volume. I'm almost whispering when I'm really angry or I just don't talk at all because I'm so like,

in this like cloud of like frustration. So yeah, I don't know. I don't really get the urge to like, the only time I get the urge to like scream and shout is when I get like really drunk or I'm at a karaoke. - I've only like screamed a few times out of pure anger. And I don't know, I don't like the feeling. It's- - No. - This is gonna sound so weird. It's kind of like,

it's kind of like busting a nut, but you realize you just jacked off to the most decrepit shit of all time. Like the few, because the few times that I have not been able to control, I think it's the feeling of like, I have not been able to control it. And I think it's only happened literally once in my life and happened once. And then I was like, I don't ever want that to happen again. 'Cause I've just felt like I was just out of control of my own anger. - Yeah.

- Something about the mental imagery of like finishing jacking off to like the most decrepit shit and then standing up with your dick in your hand and be like, "No!" - Can we get rid of this Mr. Bean ass looking dude? - Thank you. - All right, let's do the next one. - What is the weirdest thing you've ever said to a stranger? I don't know what the weirdest thing I've ever said, but hanging out with Sydney is just like all you can eat buffet about some of the weirdest shit you could ever say to a person. - Such as?

- Where do I start? - I need to hear some examples. I mean, I know Sydney well enough where I kind of can guess what she would say, but sometimes she says some things where it's just like- - So this is before, I guess, oh my God. Okay, this is before Sydney moved, before we moved to Japan. - Yeah. - Right. And so we're in Thailand, right? And so,

I think we were about to move to Japan and Sydney was like, "Oh, I'm gonna practice my Japanese as much as possible." As you know, we kind of try and do. So we were in this bar, right? And we were pretty wasted at the time. And Sydney, when she's pretty wasted, lets her intrusive thoughts just take over every single time. So it was kind of a loud bar and we,

we were sitting at this bar and this other couple sat next to us and Sydney just looked at them and just said, "Ah, konnichiwa." Which number one, number one, number one, it's just like, that's a big assumption. And the couple next to us just replied, "Oh, sorry, we're not Japanese."

And then Sydney out of embarrassment did not know how to react. So she dabbed. She just went like that. - Sydney is just not a real person. Like what the fuck is that? - And the couple looked at each other and then left.

What was she expecting the response to be after that? Like you just fucking dab, what were they gonna do? - That is insane. - Okay, I omitted a pretty important piece of information. So it was in like Thailand that we were sitting next to. - Because only Japanese people go to those. - Yeah, exactly. So there was a mental reason why she said that, I guess.

- That's like such a bold shot to shoot. - And then the response to that emergency situation was very bold. And yeah, and I guess that's become a core memory of life. - Yeah, I think that would be a core memory for me as well. - Yeah. - All right, well, what's up next then? Let's see. - What's up next? No.

- What's the weirdest thought you've ever had sitting on the toilet? Oh, where the fuck do I start? I don't know. I feel like I get most of my weird thoughts and just weird takes just sitting on the toilet a lot of the time. - I don't remember any. - Yeah, 'cause you don't sit on the toilet for a long time at all. - I wouldn't remember where I had a specific thought. Do you remember where you have thoughts? - Not really. - I don't remember either. Do you? - Sometimes. - Rarely though, right? - Do you ever note down your thoughts? - No.

- I mean, only if I think it can turn into a video. - Yeah, I know that's important. - And that's usually as I'm kind of drifting off to sleep, 'cause that's when all the weird ideas come to my head. I write them down in my notes. I go to sleep, I wake up the next morning, look at the notes and go, these are all stupid. And I just delete all of them. - I don't know. I was gonna say this thing like it's like a fucking groundbreaking things, but since "Trash Taster" started,

I've been, I guess, noting down little things that have happened during my day. Sometimes if something interesting happens during the day and then I realized, oh wait, that's not a fucking groundbreaking thing. I'm just starting a diary. - Yeah, diary. - I thought, but like, since I've been doing that, I've realized how many little interesting tidbits happened in my life that I've just completely forgot about.

And I realized because I've been one of those guys that I just always forget to take pictures. And I wanna take more pictures like going forward in the future because there are so many things that,

that I want to remember as I'm like going forward. And I always assume, "Eh, someone else is gonna take a picture of me. "It'll be fine." But then the more the life goes on, the more I realize I don't, I'm so shit at retaining information and memories sometimes. - Totally. - Like I don't remember half of the places we went to on the America tour.

- I don't remember half of last year. - Right? - Like legit. - I have either like perfect memory of a situation or no memory. There's no in between. - Yeah. Well, I think that's where the whole like, you know, stereotype of like boys nights versus girls nights like happens, right? Where it's like, you know, if your partner goes to a girls night, they come home and you ask them, "Oh, so what'd you guys talk about?" And they can tell you everything and like the tiniest information, like as if you were there.

- Boy comes back from a boy's night and the girl asks like, "Oh, what'd you guys talk about?" And the guy goes, "I don't remember." - All right, Joey, last night out that we missed was probably the Geeks Plus party. - Okay. - What are you guys talking about there? - You got all the boys at Geeks Plus, Joey. You had a night with each other, Joey. What were you guys talking about? - What are we talking about? - I mean, dudes will like- - Kai, do you remember? - Dudes will not see- - Kai, do you know?

- Guys will not see each other for a year. And then when they meet up, they won't talk about what's happening in life. They'll be like, "Yo, did you see the new fucking "Magic the Gathering?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. - And they'll literally talk about that. - We're so bad at telling other people what's been happening in our life. Like literally the only time I ever do that now is on Trash Taste. - Yeah. - Or like if I'm talking to Aki. But other than that, like if I met up with like, you know, a guy friend that I haven't seen in like,

three, four, five years. Like I'm not gonna, I'll maybe, you know, just to get the conversation going, talk about like what I've been up to, but then it quickly devolves into like, yo, did you see this meme? - I think that the guys generally tend to lean towards wanting to share experiences as opposed to share like- - Sharing stories. - Sharing stories or personal feelings on something, which is admittedly something that I think that more guys, you know, should incorporate. We should talk more about our feelings and whatnot, but I think often guys just default to let's do something together.

be it drinking, doing sports, just 'cause that's just how guys generally are. - Totally. - It's also like, I've had some deep talks with guys before. - Yeah, of course, yeah. - And it's so weird because it's not like, I remember how meaningful the deep talk was and some of the things I say, but me trying to describe it. So sometimes I have this like,

deep, meaningful talk with some of my guy friends and I'll tell Sydney, "Oh yeah, I talked about this thing." And she'll be like, "Oh, what did you guys say?" And like, in the moment I'm like, - I can give you the gist of it. - He was sad and I said things that made him better.

- We just resort to like two IQ when it comes to like talking about like the actual details of shit. We just know like how it started and how it ended. - God, when are you,

- When you went home from school, did your parents ask you, "Oh, what'd you do today?" - School. - Oh, all the time. And I was just like, "How was school?" - Yeah, how was school? - That was always the question. - What did you say? Did you ever have a- - No, it was always, "Okay." - Was there one time in your life that you actually said something meaningful in the, "Yeah, I did something exciting at school. "I did, we did this, we did that." - I'm sure I did. - I'm sure I did, but do I remember any of it? No. - 'Cause sometimes I have a talk, it continues now to this day when I phone my parents

And they're like, "Oh, have you been doing anything interesting? What have you been up to? We haven't talked for a while." And I'm like, "I've been good. Meanwhile, we've filmed like some fucking insane videos on Trash Taste. We've like toured all over America." And they asked me, "Oh, was there anything interesting that happened in America?" I could not tell them a single fucking thing. I was like,

- Did I, well, is it on camera? - The more you have those experiences, the more you kind of start labeling them as ordinary. - Yeah, exactly. - And your brain kind of starts forgetting them. So it's stuff that would seem, that would previously have been kind of like huge life events,

kind of just become a drop in the water. - Yeah, that is true. - Like I was going to film something in Australia like that. I'm sure that at one point in my life would have been an insane memory I could forget. - Oh, for sure, for sure. - And now it's just another one to add to the list, which is sad, but also cool that you get to have so many cool experiences. - Yeah, I think like it kind of is this weird like "Cache 22" of like the more of those kinds of experiences you have, the less like each one of those maybe individual experiences maybe don't get ingrained into your mind as often as it should. - Yeah.

at the same time, the greater your overall experience becomes with just like everything you've done. - But the first few, I still remember very vividly. - Which ones? - The first few big experiences of traveling or I remember very clearly. - What was your first one? - I mean alone, 'cause I used to always travel a lot with my parents, but the first real big experience I had was I went to Anime Expo when I was like 18 or 19, 19, it must be, 19 or 20. No, no, I could drink, so I was 21. No, I lied, I remember I was 20.

Yeah, I lied. Yeah, I bullshitted a lot. Yeah. Which is a crime, federal crime. No, I was 20 when I went to AX the first time. Right. And yeah, I remember that was like the really like, I remember a lot of stuff very vividly because it was like my first time ever. Yeah, yeah. Going to a foreign country alone, especially so far away.

'Cause I'd never been to, I'd only been to America once at that point. It was like when I was like 12. - Right, and it was with your family, right? - No, it was a school trip. - Oh, school trip. - Yeah. - It was very different. - Yeah, but like sometimes we can have like a big event and I remember the most random thing from that event. That's not the big thing. Like, you know, I remember when we went to Hawaii and we did all that, you know, exciting things in Hawaii. - I only remember riding the moped.

- Do you know what I remember? I just, for some reason, the core memory from that trip is just watching "Lord of the Rings" with you boys in the hotel room. Out of everything- - Those are core memories. - Out of everything that I did, I was just like- - That's how you know that was quality boys time. - I was like, out of everything we did, that was the one thing I remember. - You cannot take away watching "Lord of the Rings" with the boys. That is a core memory. - "Lord of the Rings" is a core memory in and of itself. - Yeah. - That was so, what a fucking great film.

- That was a good night though. - I hung out with a mate recently and he just said the most like, he just said a line that just like, I don't know, it just encapsulated the feeling where, you know, we're having a fun time, we're just vibing. And he was just like, "Oh man, this is fucking core memory shit right now." And I'm like,

- You can't say that in the moment. - I don't know. - That's like you almost putting it on you. - Yeah, that's putting pressure. - You're like, this is not a canon event for me. - If you don't remember this, I will be sad. - No, no, no. - I don't know who you are. - It works because as soon as he said that, I think about that moment all of the time. - That's like if we hung out and I said, "Gon, I love you." Like sincerely, you would remember that. 'Cause you'd be like, why did he say that?

- I wanna go up to a stranger on the street and just go, this is a real cool memory moment right now. See if they remember. - I wanna use that line more in my vocabulary now. If I'm just having a fucking great time, if I just say, oh man, this is fucking cool memory shit. - Cool memory moment. - You can't say that. You're putting the onus on the other person to have a cool memory. - Fuck off. I wish I said that on my wedding day. Me in front of the altar with Sydney. - This is a cool memory. - During your speech.

- I stand out and say thank you for coming to my wedding. This is a real cool memory moment right now. - I'm like, look Sydney in the eye. I'm like, Sydney, this is cool memory shit right now.

- It's so evil. - Yeah, what is the earliest memories you guys have? - We spoke about this on Trash Taste. - Have we? - Yeah. - I remember 'cause I complained that I- - It was a cool memory moment, you don't remember? - Yeah, I'm wondering if I literally explained that I couldn't fucking remember anything from like before age 12. - Mine is, yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure I've said this on the podcast already, but mine was when I was five years old and I got lost in Osaka. - Okay. - Yeah, yeah. - More specific question. - Okay, you gotta mix it up Garnt. - Yeah. - This is gonna sound so weird, right?

Do you have any core memories regarding the Simpsons? - Hell yeah. - Because- - Hell yeah I do. - What does that mean? - Okay, because I was...

- I was, okay, so this is like, this is one random scene, right? 'Cause I was hearing this piece of music and it was classical gas. And I was just like, oh shit, I remember this song from the Simpsons. It was this random fucking episode. And I was like, oh my God, I gotta search this up because for some reason there was just this one very quick scene where Lisa plays the guitar and then Lenny goes, oh, can you play classical gas?

And she starts playing classical gas. And I was like, I don't know why that memory sticks out to me so much, but I searched it up. And then I go to like the comments because apparently a lot of people remember this scene. And one of the top comments was like, this scene is a core memory for me. And I'm like, holy shit, what? Me too. - The only core memory I have with the Simpsons was, so we had in my room, we had a lot of,

we had basically my dad's like kind of hand me down like CRT TV, right? That he obviously replaced when, you know, the flat screen LEDs came out, but he held onto the CRT for the longest time. And I wanted to have it in my room so that I could watch like Simpsons and Futurama with my sister. So we would have this CRT,

in my room and it was with those like old CRTs where like it had the really, really long like antennas and like literally it was so bad that one of us during an entire episode we would take it in terms for our episode to like hold the antenna and like the correct position to get the best reception is real ghetto shit. But I have a core memory some reason of I don't even remember what episode it was or like if this is even a real quote but I think it's Bonnie saying just

In a really, really sad voice, he just says, I fell into the toilet.

I don't know. I just remember watching that with my sister while holding up this antenna in my room and we're just pissing ourselves laughing. And then from then on, every time one of us went to the toilet, we just come out of the toilet and we just go, "I fell into the toilet." - Have you ever had that experience where you're watching something like old, like the Simpsons and you watch an episode and then like,

as you're watching it, maybe a vague scene that you remember somewhere in the crevice of your brain. - Yeah. - Kind of gets like re-memorized almost 'cause you're watching it and you're like, "Oh, this is the part that I weirdly vaguely remember." - Yeah, totally. - I always hate that. - Oh no, like to this day, you hate it? Why? - 'Cause I feel like it kind of like reminds me how,

at this moment how weird and fucked up my brain is where you store these weird pieces of useless information. - Right. - Don't mean anything and potentially don't mean anything your entire life. And you have this brief moment of euphoric discovery where you remember where it was from. - Yeah. - And you're like, why is my brain programmed like this? - Yeah, also it's like, you asked that question like, why is it this that I remember? - Yeah, like it's frustrating 'cause you're like,

- Why is such an intense feeling of relief memorizing this thing that I had no memory of really, but it's subconsciously there and I have some kind of brief flashbacks. It's weird, it freaks me out. - Yeah, for the longest time,

- Yeah, for the longest time, the lyrics of Jingle Bells for me was Jingle Bell, Batman smells, Robin lays an egg. And for the longest time, I didn't know that the Simpsons had programmed that into my mind, right? - Yeah. Did you watch the Tom Scott video about it? - Wait, did the Simpsons create that? - No, no, no, no. Okay, this is great. Tom Scott made a video about this, about how,

depending on I guess which country you're from and whatever, there's like 20 different versions of this. People have thought were the version. - Yeah, because you said Robin lays an egg. - Yeah, Robin lays an egg. - For me it's Robin laid an egg. - It might be laid an egg. - You should go watch some Scott video, blow your mind. It's literally like a weird kind of,

collective misremembering to the point where everyone for some reason has a different thing that they remember. - Mandela effect. - But not even like that. It's like weirder than that. 'Cause that's like everyone agreeing to misremember. This is everyone remembering a completely different thing. - Yeah, but actually no, I remember because I think I remember that Simpsons episode. It was fucking, what's his name? - What?

- No, no, it wasn't "Bar." - I think that was the most popular one, but there's a bunch of other ones. - No, it was that episode where, what's the bully character in "The Simpsons"? - Nelson. - Nelson. It's when Nelson falls in love with Lisa.

- How the fuck do you remember this shit? - And he takes her back to his like crap shack house. And Lisa sees like the guitar on the wall and he's like, "Oh, can you play?" And Nelson's like, "Yeah, kinda." And he's like, "Oh, can you play me something?" And he's like, "All right." And he grabs the guitar, he goes, "Jingle bells!" And he just starts singing that version of "Jingle Bells." That's another core memory of "The Simpsons" that I have. I don't remember why I remember that episode. - I swear to God, there's so many core memories to do with "The Simpsons" that I just forgot about. - So many. - Until...

until you just see this random thing and you're like, that reminds me of something from that I saw years ago from the Simpsons. - Yeah, totally. - Unrelated to this beer sounds like something America would try to ban. We got a band named Euro hops. We don't want no Euro hops in our great American States. - Where's the AmeriHop? - Do you guys have any childish, no childhood TV shows that you completely forgot that you watched and were like obsessed with for a while? 'Cause I forgot this. - Such a specific question. - No, because okay, number one,

I'm sure we watched a lot of things when we were kids. I kind of realized how much we don't remember. 'Cause obviously we remember "The Simpsons" and I remember Connor mentioning something called "Land Before Time" and he was like, "We didn't have that in the UK." And I was like, "Wait,

- I was obsessed with Land Before Time. - The dinosaur one. - The dinosaur one. Did they have that in Australia? - We had it in Australia. I didn't really grow up watching it though. But it was definitely on TV. It wasn't my favorite show though. - Yeah, I remember as a kid, I watched the Land Before Time. I don't remember a single fucking thing about this by the way. All I remember is owning all of the VHSs and I would like watch it on repeat. - That's probably why you know of it.

- I mean, I admittedly, I was glued to the TV as a kid. And I'd never heard of this until I was like 20. - "Land Before Time"? - Yeah, I'd never seen it before. - Really? You've never seen like the dinosaur show? - I swear it never aired on UK TV. I could be wrong. Maybe actually, this is a great question. Did "Land Before Time" air? - I swear to God it did. - 20 years ago air? - Yeah, we're gonna check our memory now. Did "Land Before Time". - Maybe the viewers can also express if they air it. - Also, it might be an age thing as well because- - It could be, I know it's a little old.

But like that never stopped. Like they used to play, you know, "Wallace and Gromit" which was quite old and they used to replay that all the time and other stuff. - I had all the VHS of that. - "Wallace and Gromit", I actually rewatched "Wallace and Gromit" a week ago. - Well, like the original show? - I watched "The Wrong Trousers". - Oh, that's a great one. - 'Cause I kept seeing the penguin on Twitter. - The penguin, yeah. - And I was like, wait, it's like a 30 minute like film. And I was like, fuck it, I'll watch it. It's 30 minutes. - That's such a good movie.

- The first- - 2007. - The Land Before- This was a TV series. There was no way- - Yeah, it later aired on Boomerang in the UK in 2007. - There is no way it aired for the first time in 2007. That must be a different land for a time. - Yeah, isn't that a show from like the '90s? - Yeah, it's 1980s. - Yeah, it's not '80s. - It's '80s. - Yeah. - It's so old. - Yeah, "Wilson Gromit" is fucking fire. I rewatched it and it was fucking amazing. - "Curse of the Were-Rabbit" as well is a great one. - Yeah, I was like, these are all, like this is just straight bangers. - Yeah. - These still hold up today. - Oh, totally.

- And like, I definitely felt that as well when like I watched the new chicken run movie, the chicken run two. - Is it good? - It's actually really good. - Fuck I wanna watch it. - Yeah, like I was surprised. I thought, 'cause like it's been like what 20 years, over 20 years since the first one. And the first movie is so damn good. So I was like,

Oh, I hope this doesn't suck, but it was actually pretty good. - The claymation is just so expressive. - Oh, Aardman is goaded bro. - Yeah, and the little details they put in there is just fantastic. - So good. - Do you guys remember recess at all? Was that my generation? - Oh yeah, I remember recess, yeah. - Sorry guys.

- Oh, a kind of an obscure show that I don't know anyone else who knows it or even watched it. Maybe it was only in Australia. Was the show called "Angelina Anaconda." - "Angelina Anaconda." - Do you remember? - I remember this. - The newspaper cutouts. - Yeah, yeah. - Oh my God, I'm so glad you know. - I think that had British TV as well. - Did they? - Yeah, yeah. - Was it a British show? It might've been a British show. - Was it British? - But that show, oh my God, I was obsessed with that show. - Oh, I remember I watched,

- Okay, you shouldn't like the cool memory. What is it like a Jake Long American dragon? Did you watch this show? - Jake Long American dragon? - Is that what it's called? - What? - Oh my God, dude. Angelina Anaconda looks fucking- - Angela Anaconda, excuse me. - Do you know the cool memory I have of this show? - The what? - Do you know the cool memory I have of this show? - What? - Which sounds like a fucking fever dream right now. But I remember I knew about this, but then I remember

renting the Digimon movie from Blockbuster. And the intro of the Digimon movie is Angelina Anaconda. - Oh really? Or just like an episode of it? - It was like, it was a,

- What the fuck is that? - Holy shit! Yes, I do know this show. - No. - Yeah. - No. - Because this came out of the exact same era as the Jackie Chan cartoon. - Yeah. - Do you remember that at all? - Oh my God, the Jackie Chan cartoon. - You remember this one? - Holy fuck, I remember this show. - I had a DS game of this and it was fucking awful. I remember I played the DS game. It was fucking dog shit. - I remember my friend who was obsessed with Ben 10 loved this show.

- They were all the same era. - Yeah. - But Ben 10 was actually the fire show though. - Ben 10 was so good. - Oh my God, I'm trying to remember the show. Okay, explain to me because this is a very much a core memory for me because it was how I started like appreciating the fucking,

which is emo girls. And I remember this is one of my first childhood crushes. - Okay. - Right? It was this cartoon and it's a detective kind of cartoon. I believe it aired on like the Disney channel. And there was like an emo girl and like a black guy and it was kind of-

- Search up emo girl black guy cartoon. - Mike Tyson cartoon? - No, no, no. It was like a detective girl cartoon. - There's like a TV show with a...

- No, no, fuck. Oh, this is- - Fillmore! That is it. It's Fillmore. - Oh, I know the name. - Yeah. - I know the name, yeah. - I think you fucking watch the detective series where Mike Tyson's like a Scooby Doo-esque knockoff and it's like Adult Swim though. - I don't remember that. - Yes, I've seen this. I don't like remember much about it. Wait, that was your first childhood crush? - Yeah, that was my first- - That girl, man. That girl. - I understand. - All right, that's valid. That's valid.

- Oh my God, this is taking me back, man. - We are old. - We are old. - We are old. - Kids today are looking at this and being like, "What the fuck is this shit?" - I'm wondering, yeah, it only went on for two years. - Oh damn, 2002, 2004, geez. - Okay, for the next question. What is the most embarrassing thing you've ever posted on social media? - Fuck, I mean every early video.

- Yeah, I mean, yeah, first few years of my career. I mean, I'm gonna be real. There's a segment of the maid cafe special that we did that I just, I haven't been able to watch it all through. - What, which part? - The one where we were in the maid cafe and you boys, when we all ordered different things. - Oh, you did the nyanya shit? - And I had to do a fucking Eldritch chant to like, to like, like,

summon the Moe in this fucking cup or whatever. - Yeah. It is actually, 'cause by the time we're filming this, the main special just came out. It's really funny looking through the comments. - The main special is already out, Joey. - No, that's what I'm saying. It's out by the time we're filming this. But it's really funny looking through the comments and just so many people being like, "I love you guys, but I can't watch this. It's too cringe." And I'm like, "I get it. It's whatever." How do you think we felt? - Okay, pre-YouTube though, pre...

- Pre YouTube? - Yeah. - I had like a, do you remember this website called Bebo? - I was about to, oh my God, holy shit. - See, I didn't, I knew about Bebo, but I didn't have an account. - I had like a fucking banner. It was like a flow rider. It was like me thinking, I was like, I was trying to be like cool. I thought it was like sexy. I posted a pic and we all like.

And it was like some kind of fucking, it was one of those, when you open up your mate's page, it was blast the fucking music they chose. - Oh yeah, that was my MySpace page. - Whatever kind of like fucking flashy effects they put on there, it was fucking horrific. - For you guys it was Bebo, for me it was MySpace. - Well, it was like- - We had MySpace and Bebo. - Bebo was kid friendly MSN. - Oh, I see. - But maybe a little too kid friendly. I don't know, it was a fucking dog shit site. But I remember even like,

four years back, I was like, it's gone, right? It's scrubbed, it doesn't exist right now. Thank fuck for that. - I really hope so 'cause mine was cringe as fuck looking back because I just tried to make myself seem really, really fucking cool. And like during like, I just, the one thing I remember was I thought this was so cool when I was like fucking 15 or whatever how old I was. But during like the,

- During like the sex like segment where it was like male, female, I just put yes please. And I was like, motherfucker, that's the funniest shit. That's the funniest shit. - He's a fucking comedian. - Everyone's gonna see that and be like, yo, he's cool, man. - To be fair, that's still funny. I mean, we laughed. Maybe we're just children. - The idea of a 19 year old guy going, yes please. Meanwhile his hair is spiked up and he's about to record a video.

about why you should watch Mirai Nikki. Actually, I think it's more interesting to ask what's the most embarrassing or you feel is the most embarrassing thing you've ever posted as a YouTuber or creator. - I actually know now I remember and one that I can definitely say with full confidence is not even before that, it was my sort out online review I wrote on my website. - Is it still up? - I don't know.

- I think the website is gone. - I'd kill for a reading of it. - I think I, 'cause I did it on, what was it like WordPress or one of those like, you know, third party website companies. And because I stopped paying, I think they just took down the website. But yeah, that was when I gave "Sort of Atlanta" 9.5 out of 10.

And that was pretty fucking embarrassing. - What happened Joey? - I think again, I've said this in videos, but I think I was just like, I was swallowed up by the hype. - The hype was crazy that it just like,

- And also at the time- - What happened with your opinion of Sword Art Online? - I watched the rest of it. I watched the second half of Sword Art Online and it was gone. - No, I mean, I think we forget how cool Sword Art Online was. - Oh, we know it is still there. - Holy shit. - Oh yeah, here it is. - Oh my God. - Whoa, I haven't seen this. Oh wow, I'm surprised. Okay, yeah, look up Sword Art Online. - Oh my God. - There it is. - Oh my God. - When was this posted? - How long is this review? - It's not long. - Wait, is there replies? - Go down, go down to the bottom. It should say the score.

- Yeah, that'd be 5.5. Recommendation, highly recommend. - Wait, do you have any comments? - Yeah, go down to the comments. - Some of my reviews had comments. - Can we see the final tagline of all the stuff?

- Hold on, hold on, bottom line. This series is credited as being a clever, cleverly structured as well and well presented series, blending a mixture of a different genres, such as psychological, romance and drama. - Psychological. - You see an epic fantasy of sort online. If you loved SL World, then you will absolutely fall in love with this series. And you'll also wish when something like this happens to us.

happened to us too. I know I did. So you wanted to be Kirito. - I wanted to be Kirito. - Oh my God. - I mean, to be fair, like I think we all wanted to be Kirito at one point. - Can you go up to the tagline that Joey put on this? No, go up to the very top. - Your blog page is 1.4 million views. - Yes. - Dude, people are not- - His tagline is every gamer's dream comes true in this fantastical tale of epic proportions.

- It's so funny. - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - If you're a gamer or game lover, you've always dreamed of jumping into the world of your favorite games. - Stop. - And experiencing everything that happened there like it was real. - Stop it.

- I don't want this. - I need to go and delete this website. - This is great. - I didn't realize it was still on. - Holy shit, this is amazing. - God, I stopped paying this URL. - How has nobody left a comment? - Yeah, right? - Yeah. - You know what? I am actually disappointed. - This is the best- - We should leave a comment. We should leave a comment right now. - You got three likes. - Three likes, let's go. - Hell yeah. - We should leave a comment right now.

- I mean, do you have to presumably have to log in, right? - I don't think so. - Let's try leaving a comment. What should we say? - Saying good review, the anime man. - God, what was wrong with me? - Nice review. - I'm sure after this episode, there'll be plenty of nice comments. - Yeah, thanks guys. - That's so funny that you thought it was gone. So you think that's the single most worst thing you've ever posted? - I mean, look at it. It's pretty fucking cringe.

- And I was what? When was this posted? Go up a bit. Is there a date? This was probably posted, it was before YouTube. So probably around 20, yeah, it must've been 2012 because- - Must've been right as it ended. - Right as it ended, right? - Yeah. - Oh yeah, there it is. Oh wait, go down. December 12th. I wrote this day before Christmas. What was I doing in 2012? - Oh my God, 12 years ago. - 12 years ago I wrote this. So I was what? I would have been,

- 19, yeah. - 19, good taste Joey, good taste. - Yeah, I know right? Christ almighty. - I mean, for me it's still probably always, we've brought this up on Trash Days before, it's probably always going to be the, what was it called again? The AniTube.

- The rap? - Rap thing, yeah. - What do you mean? That's my favorite thing you've ever made. It's that motherfucking tea. I still remember that shit. - I mean, AniTube was always cringe in its own way. I think that encapsulated what AniTube was like back in the day. - I think it's more cringe that I got someone to write mine for me. - You got Gray Fox to write mine for you. - He literally is like amazing rapper. - Yeah, he is. He's an amazing rapper. - And I was like, can you record it for me so I can record it? And then I recorded it and I remember everyone was like,

- Whoa, we're kind of wrapped. - And I was like, no, I can copy someone else. - What do you think is yours? - Oh man, I was trying to think about this, man. I was trying to, I mean- - 'Cause you put yourself out there more than all of us, I think. - Yeah, I mean, definitely. Even like when you start doing kind of stuff that's kind of out there in the start, you do think like, you do worry, you're like, there's no going back.

Once you do like a half naked cosplay video, you're like, okay, there's kind of no turning back from this. Like this is like useful, but also-

we do live in a time where the standards are very different for men and women. - Yep. - Men, you get, a guy can get his cock out and then just do serious journalism right after it. And guys are like, this is understandable. You know what I mean? - Oh my God. - But if a girl did it, it can be a little bit different unfortunately. But I don't know. Is there one specific video that I can point to that, oh, I mean this actually, you know what I should do? I should go through my unlisted. - While you're thinking, I just like, I just remembered this thing.

So normally every time we post like a Trash Taste video or Trash Taste special, my mom sends me a picture and she's like, "Oh, I really enjoyed it. It was so funny." And then in the maid special, she just, all she could say was she posted a picture. She posted a picture of me doing the maid thing. And she was like, "Ah, you work really hard to make money, huh?"

- I was like, okay, okay, mom. Okay, okay. - Your mom didn't have to slam dunk you like that. - Oh, man. - Jesus Christ. - Oh, dude, that strip club video was hard. - Oh, yeah? - That was embarrassing to make. - I thought it was good. - It turned out well, but it was painful filming it. 'Cause they were just like, "Go grind on them." I was like, "I can't."

And then they were like, "Go grind on Kao." And I was like, "I'm like, I'm so sorry." And I was like fake grinding near Kao. And Kao was like, "It's okay. Just do what you gotta do." - It's for the video. - Fuck. I'm scoffed at this fucking dude. Jesus Christ. These videos are so bad.

- I don't know man, so far I think I'm winning for biggest cringe. - I don't know, I think you should be proud of that. - I had to say, man, I had to start, we all start somewhere, you know what I mean? - As I have COVID. - Everyone starts somewhere. Hey, I did a bleach review. - Hey, to be fair, I was revealing some like pretty fucking not talked about shows like Campione.

and my fucking Arcana familiar. Who the fuck watch those shows? I did. And I wrote a review for them. - Did you go on like anime forums before you had any presence online? - Not really. I don't know. The way my site grew was really weird. Whereas like, I didn't think anyone would actually start looking into it and reading them. And then as you saw, like the entire website is 1.4 million views. And that's pretty much like, that got built up even before I started my YouTube channel. So like,

It's really bizarre. I think people were just like starving for content like this at the time. - Oh yeah, they definitely were. Because like, I remember I joined a few forums way back in the day. I remember someone found my old, there was this forum called just animeforums.com or .net or something.

And someone found it and realized that every, like for like the first few years, all of the big videos I did, I had already made a post on this forum about this exact topic, like years and years and years ago. And then they just realized that I was just taking all my old topics that I was posting on this one forum and repackaging it into a video. - Nothing wrong with that. - Yeah, not a lot of that. - Animeforums.com, is it still there? - Animeforums.net. - Animeforums.net.

- Is this the same one? I don't know. - I mean, they might've changed it. - Such a gig arc. It's a Sasuke and Naruto avatar. - Yeah, let's just go on the website. - It used to be shortened to A4.net. - Okay, so maybe it's not the same one. - Maybe it's not the same one.

- Yeah, it doesn't matter. - Yeah. - Either way. - Yeah. Did you find your video? - I couldn't, I mean, there's a lot of embarrassing ones. I couldn't believe how many views some of these videos I made had. Some of these Black Butler ones had like fucking 500,000 views of me pretending to be Claude playing a game. Like how does that?

- 500K is still a lot now. - Yeah. - How the fuck was I getting 500K playing games as Claude? - Well, it's because the fucking Black Butler fandom will eat anything and everything that has to do with Black Butler, especially back then. Like when did you make those? Like what, 2014? - No, 2015. - 2015, right? - When I started making Black Butler stuff, which I don't even know how it came about. Well, I do kind of remember how it came about.

it was kind of the only voice I could really copy well at the time. And so I kind of just did it. I didn't really have any feelings towards Black Butler. But there wasn't like a huge fandom at the time. Well, there was previously, but it was very dormant. - Well, maybe there wasn't a huge fandom, but there might've been that small fandom might've just like repeatedly watched those videos. And that's what might've built up. - Yeah, definitely grew. I mean, I remember getting messages that were like, I've still, even in my,

nearly 10 year career of doing this. I have never had messages that were as intense from strangers as the ones I got back then. The intensity of which some of these messages were composed was like, and I thought that was normal.

So like now when I go to my Instagram messages or I go to emails, it's super tame. Like compared to what I used to get sent, I used to get full unhinged like fan behavior. - Right, right. - And I don't know why that was.

And I don't know what's different. - Well, it's just the Black Butler fans, isn't it? - I think so. And I also think there's this weird thing that happens when you're at like a medium size. 'Cause I think it's fair to say that we're all pretty large creators now. But when you're like a small to medium size creator, there's this very weird thing that happens

where you're quite big, but I think people still, 'cause a lot of people message us and they know that we're never gonna see it, which is true 'cause I don't fucking check anything. Except I just admitted that I check some of it sometimes 'cause I'm curious sometimes. But most people realize that we'll never reply and we won't see what they send us. But when you're at this really like small to middle size,

think that you'll see it. - Yeah, like roughly around like the one to 500,000 subs range, I'd say. - One to 500,000? Oh yeah, I'd say even like 10 to,

- 500,000 is even a bit much, I think. I think like 100, sorry, like 50 to 200. I think some people think of you as still being reachable, which I don't know why this is the case, but I noticed, yeah, like when you said around when I got to 500, it definitely stopped. - Yeah, yeah, for sure. - But when I was around 100, I used to get a lot of messages that were really intense and like strange. - 'Cause you'd read all of them as well, right?

'cause he's still at the time. - I was like, I thought, fuck it, why not? People would send me the whole life story or would give me this whole spiel and it's just weird. And I just look back at that and I'm like, wow, what a fucking weird time. And Black Butler New Seasons is coming out, so. - Yeah, so they're gonna come right, they're open the bunker doors and they're like, it's time to come out. - I'm getting back on it. - I don't think I ever asked, how did you get into voice acting?

- What made you want to get into voice acting specifically? - I can't remember which anime specifically made me feel this way, but anime in general does this thing to your brain where it makes you wanna voice act to some people. It just turns these cogs that just make, 'cause if you speak to a voice actor, all of them, at least nowadays, the new generation of voice actors, not the old ones,

Most of them, I'd say like 90% wanted to do it 'cause they got into it via games or anime. - Yeah. - Normally Japanese media of some sort. I don't know, it's just a fantastical story that kind of makes you wanna kind of- - Well, it's also because especially in the Japanese voice acting world, some of these actors' skills are just like on another level. - But I think that a lot of voice actors, the ones starting out getting into it, they don't even consider that. - Right. - But I think that you come to appreciate that a lot when you get into it more 'cause you can just, the mastery on craft, on display, sorry.

but there's just something about anime that's so fantastical that like kind of like draws this kind of want to be these characters and kind of go through what they're going through. And at the time, I think when I first started doing it, I don't think it was out of sincere want to act. And I don't know what that, 'cause you know, when I talked to like Pete or someone, there's like a different, I think there's a different switch in my brain that when he talks about acting, it's different how about when I talk about acting, I feel like- - Well, he did theater, right?

Yeah, that's just a- Yeah, it's very different. I think it's a totally different, even though I would argue that if you can act, you can voice act. I think I fully believe that. I think it's the, they share the same skills. I think if you only voice act, you can't quite fully act because there's a lot of- Right. You still need to have a bit of lessons on hitting your marks, doing all the body movements, maybe even doing nothing. Facial expressions. Facial expressions. That kind of stuff is quite difficult. But I don't know. It drew me into it and I kind of-

And I don't know what it is. 'Cause there has to be that leap when you wanna do something. So you've all had this thing where late at night you're watching something, you're like, right, tomorrow I'm doing this thing. And then you don't do it. It could be like, I'm starting this hobby or I'm gonna start practicing this and we don't do it. We were all guilty of doing this. But for some reason, whatever it was about anime really compelled me to then immediately figure out how to hook my Xbox microphone up to my PC

download the software and start recording shit and sending it off to random people who are also as clueless as me.

And yeah, it kind of just took off. I mean, it was, I don't know. I just did it, you know, like this PewDiePie art video that everyone keeps talking about and how insane it is. I'm like, if you truly do something every single day for hundreds of days, you will get pretty fucking good at that thing. The hard part is doing it every day. - Yeah, being consistent. - But when I started voice acting, I literally did it every single day for hours on end 'cause I was so addicted to it.

And I also love the community aspect of it. Back then it was a huge community thing and there wasn't many of us. There was like, you know, like less than a hundred. - It's funny how many people in that community are now professional voice actors or actresses. - Like I came, I remember,

there's a few people, 'cause everyone kind of came at the community in a different way. But when I started out, I remember very distinctly Kovach who started around the same time as I did, who now is in so many things. He's in digital media circus. He's done some other amazing stuff and a really nice guy. And it's cool seeing you go on your own journey

and seeing other people just go through it. And even back then he was very, very talented. - He was also Carnegie in Tokyo Ghoul in five minutes. - Oh really? - Yeah, he was. - Oh, perfect. - I just remember when I started, I was doing it.

we all kind of just did these dumb auditions where we would, when we knew a project was just never gonna be finished by a guy who was just, he's like, "I'm gonna pay you." And he's like, "You're not gonna pay us." We would submit these joke auditions 'cause they were public so people would listen to them. And I remember that his joke auditions were so good that we were like, "What the fuck?"

like this guy's joking is better than like our serious performance. And so it was kind of like a fun little learning experience. Then I somehow had bullshitted my way into doing it seriously from all of that experience. Cause we'd kind of all held ourselves accountable. Cause a lot of the people who are voice acting back then

every now and then someone would be in the right location to be able to go to one of these voice acting workshops. And maybe they would get successful, but they would still keep in touch with people. So they would kind of trickle down information and people were very open about sharing information about how to improve. So I think the overall quality of voice actors online improved quite a lot. People who came from only online. So it was kind of an interesting community and it kind of got my start. And I always say how I got into YouTube was 'cause I got very bored of waiting for auditions. Sorry, I'm ranting by the way.

I'm going- - No, no, no, you're fine, yeah. - Interesting. - I got very bored of doing voice acting auditions 'cause you would sit there for like five hours a day and you would do these audition, audition, audition, audition, audition. And in your head, it's kind of like this,

- Auditioning is almost the funnest part. 'Cause it's the least amount of work for the most reward, which is that you got the role. You're like, "Oh, fuck yeah." And then you actually start recording for some of this stuff and you're like, "This fucking sucks. "This fucking sucks." 'Cause you have to bear in mind, most voice actors, 90% of the stuff that they've ever voice acted in, 'cause they've probably done a bunch of stuff before they've done all the cool stuff, right? It's probably just garbage. Stuff that is,

maybe like hot messes 'cause someone else is also learning too. You're learning, they're learning, we're all learning. - You've also gotta get a CV up somehow, right? - Right, everyone has to learn and everyone has to find a way. And it's all about as a voice actor, you have to become a professional con artist as well where you almost have to leverage the best thing you've been in to get the next best thing. And so you're constantly having to be like, I've voiced in this pretty cool thing.

It's a pretty big deal. And you say it and maybe you know deep down it's not that big of a deal, but you have to kind of like sell yourself. - Yeah, for sure. - It's kind of a tough business 'cause it's not only do you have to be a great actor, you have to be a great salesman. - A salesman. - Yeah, which is tough. - I would say that's true for a lot of life. - I think that's the majority of the entertainment industry. - A lot of freelance, a lot of entertainment industry, which people don't appreciate that. A lot of people wanna be like, my talent speaks for itself.

It's like, well, sometimes it doesn't. - I don't know because I feel like- - It's generational. It's very tough to find that. Every now and then there's like one person who has the luxury of doing that. But it's always by like-

Complete fluke. Maybe you work with Garnt. Maybe Garnt has influence. He recommends you. And then there's a series of chain events, but that's a very rare situation. - I feel like selling is a skill that is just, 'cause I fucking hate salesmanship and like selling as a skill. I always thought I hated it. And the more I grow older, the more I realized it is so intrinsic to success in life. 'Cause you talk about that, but like indirectly,

You go to a job interview, what's one of the most important skills in any job interview? It's selling yourself. You want a promotion, you want a raise. What is the most important skill? It's selling your value

like selling your value to the job or to your boss or to the company it's in. And these are the moments that are going to define how successful a lot of people are. And even if you hate selling, I do, I kind of realize how many points in my life that I needed to be able to sell myself in order to get X thing done or something else done. - I mean, yeah. I mean, I think the prime example I can give to like,

at how important selling is when you don't think it is, are charities. Like think about every charity you probably know about. The charities that you think when you hear the word charity is probably one that has been so successful in selling its image or story. You think of like Make-A-Wish, super powerful and very easy to sell stories because it practically, I mean, hey, we get to make these amazing moments happen that on camera are very emotionally powerful.

And they're not just bringing a camera 'cause they wanna document it and save it. They bring the camera 'cause they wanna sell it. They wanna get more sponsors. They wanna get more donations. And that's the, if...

if a charity has to consider something that is purely philanthropic and about giving and helping, if something like that has to sell, then why do you think you're above selling in whatever you're doing? You have to sell, that's what it is. In whatever it is you do. - Yeah, and I think going at the angle of like, well, I have the talent is like really dangerous to do because, well, you might think you have the talent, but not,

not everyone might agree that you have the talent. And if everyone doesn't agree, then it's going to be really difficult to try and use that as a selling point. I think there's a, I think there's a, like,

a bit of a pivot because I don't think it necessarily is like, oh, I am talented. It's more of like a lot of people think- - I'm above it. - A lot of people think my talent should speak for itself. - Which is not true. - Which is like a very, I mean, it can happen, but it's very rare case. - The normal trajectory is for any kind of entertainment or even like-

even like a business is that you have to, in the early stages, really sell yourself to whatever it is. And then once you get to a more comfortable position, maybe you found your audience or you found your clients, whatever it is, then you can kind of pull off the gas. You can let your work speak for itself. People are recommending you. And that's where I think fortunately, like with our YouTube stuff, that's where we've gotten to now where we're very fortunate. We don't have to,

We don't have to do a lot of outreach, don't have to grind a lot. I think we just upload stuff and it's very healthy. - We don't have to go out of our way to try and prove a point, right? We just kind of do our own thing and then we're in a position now where people are more coming to us than we are necessarily going out to them. Not to say that we're never going out and trying to outreach for any kind of opportunity. - I'm always trying to do that. - Yeah, of course, we're always doing that. But when we all started off, I'm sure that was the only thing

or that was the only way we could get our hands out there. Because like when you're starting off, no one fucking knows how talented you are. No one knows how much like cool stuff you can possibly make or do like because you don't really have that kind of experience yet. So you have to make it a point as you said to like, yeah, sell yourself, which again, I fucking hated doing. - Did you guys, you guys both went to university. Did you guys have to,

- Oh, what's it called? When you were applying to the university, did you have to, okay, so you had like your, I guess, CV. - You do my interview. - But you also had to send a- - Cover letter. - Cover letter. - I fucking hate cover letters. They're stupid. - What, to a university? - Yeah, in the UK. - Did you have to? - No. - Motherfucker. So in Australia, you do a test.

in year 12 and then if your score is high enough, then you just get in. - Yeah, we basically like in the UK, when you apply to university, I don't know if this is still the same, but you had like your whatever you get your test scores and that's on like one form. But then you also have a cover letter where the aim of the cover letter is to suck your own dick as much as possible and hope that there is still enough dick to suck for. - I had to do that for my internship. - That's normally for.

the higher up universities, they want to start, 'cause the competition is so poor, they want to start being stupidly nitpicky and be like, "Okay, no, you don't get to go to Harvard 'cause you had a spelling error in your couple of years." - I just totally fucking, I just lied. - You do, everyone lies. - I just lied. - Everyone lies. - Everyone lies on their resumes, everyone lies on their cover letters. - You said about like story selling people. So like, I remember inventing this fucking story on my cover letter that, oh, I read this book

once in school and I had like the exact book. I can't remember what it was, but I was like, I read this book once and it inspired me to become an engineer and look into engineering. - Little do they know I can't read. - And as I was young, I took apart a calculator in order and that's planted the seed. And this probably is why like, this is how I write my scripts in like, this probably started, this is probably the first time I fucking did this. - You're always learning something. - Yeah, when I'm just like, yeah, and I,

I opened up a calculator when I was a kid and I planted the seed of...

of interest in engineering and now I please. - Maybe that's why I got denied from McDonald's 'cause I definitely didn't do that. I just told the truth. I'm like, yeah, I'm a dumb 15 year old kid that doesn't do shit. I didn't even apply for this job, but it'd be nice to get some extra cash. - Yeah, I mean, it's tough. You have to do a lot of sacrifices to make things work occasionally, be it to your own ego or whatever it be.

But it was fun. I mean, I, you know, starting out in voice acting was a great way 'cause I felt like I, it allowed me to come into YouTube with a ton of knowledge right out of the gate of how to make the video sound good, which I feel like back then was a huge problem on YouTube. People just thought the Blue Yeti was the god

You stick this USB, which if you, I don't know if people still use it now. - I mean, I started off with one. - But like, it's crazy. Like audio is, I don't think people appreciate just how bad audio was back then. And so I think it just gave me a huge like up and allowed me to immediately show like, hey, look, I can put whatever fucking cartoon visuals on the screen or whatever, but like it sounds great. Like it's a good sounding video.

I think it was kind of like, I don't know, in a weird, I don't believe in destiny, but if there was any kind of it, it was probably at play there. - Yeah, for sure. - But kind of steering me towards this trajectory. - I never thought I'd hear you say that line. - Oh yeah. - I don't believe in destiny, but this was fate. - Well, you just kinda, it's kinda weird 'cause when you start something- - Why don't you believe in destiny?

- Can we get more beers please? - Why? Why don't I believe in destiny? - Why don't you believe in destiny? - Are we going in that direction? - Why don't you believe in destiny Connor? - I think destiny means different things to different people. I think destiny to some people is,

Take the hand off the wheel. Let them do it. Let the G man upstairs figure it out. Yeah. But I think that's a bad way of looking at it. I think a helpful way of looking at something like destiny is I'm going to do everything in my power. And then I hope all of the pieces in the universe will align.

And if you look at it from that sense, I do think that in terms of YouTube, it was kind of like the perfect storm for me to get into it where it was like, okay, I didn't get into it. Even though I did try to upload videos when I was younger, you know, you fucking hyper-cam your RuneScape vid and throw it up. - Yeah, of course. - Why didn't it work? - Of course, yeah.

But I think, you know, I waited until I was like 19. So I got my cringe out of, well, most of my cringe out of it. You know, and I'd learned all this and I just happened to watch pretty much only YouTube for years. And it was kind of just the perfect amalgamation of like things that aligned in my life to kind of give me a fighting chance to make it work. Even though I never intended for that to be the case. So it's like, even then it's like, you know,

I don't know, like if I just don't, I think destiny is an unhelpful friend. - That sounds like destiny to me. - No, no, 'cause it's only in hindsight where I can look at it and go, yeah, I guess it could make sense. But also I feel like then that destiny also takes away all of the work you put into something. - Yeah. - That is true. Like I feel, I don't know, maybe this is just me, but like in a lot of ways- - I need a beer for all.

- In a lot of ways, the word destiny is kind of thrown around in a kind of like weird past tense way. You know, like whenever like someone is in like a very fortunate position that they like dreamed all of that. - Yeah, no one wants to think destiny I got fucked over. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's like, you know, you fulfilled everything you wanted to and then you can, as you said, look back in hindsight and go, oh, maybe it was destiny, right? Like no one in the present time is like trying to strive for something and going,

I'm gonna have this, it's my destiny. Like no one's gonna say that. - But then I also think that like,

Like you're not a fucking anime character. - It's the same thing of being like- - Maybe I am, Joey. - It's like when you're playing a video game, right? And you spec into only like, I don't know, agility and strength. And then, you know, you keep playing, you keep playing. And then two days later you come across this armor set that can only be worn if you have really high speed and really high agility. It's like claiming that,

because you cared to put that in, those points in that tree, it came into existence, which is not true. 'Cause these stuff would happen and someone else would have filled the spot that you would have occupied. - Right, right. - Right? So it's, I think,

It's a comforting thing to feel like the work you put in is deliberately being rewarded, but I don't think that's the case. - No. - I think if you are a human being and you are improving at stuff in general, opportunities just will come your way if you are putting yourself out there. And that can be perceived as destiny or whatever you want, but it's just how it is. - Do you believe in destiny, Garnt?

- I don't know. I will tell you a thought that fucked me up recently. - All right, tell me what fucked you up. - And any physics majors can please enlighten me as we're about to go.

- Why is it that every time we drink, Garnt always brings up physics as a topic? - I'm not complaining, I love it. - You know it's gonna be on suicide watch after these fucking fact checks he's about to do. - It just fucks me up sometimes when I think about these things. This is like the 3:00 AM thought that I have before I go to sleep and I remember when I'm drinking. So you know that time travel exists, right? - Oh my God. - Yeah, but only into the future.

- Okay, okay. Here's the thing. Only into the future, right? - Yes. - Time travel, but it has been proven that you can time travel to the future. - Proven by who? - By scientists.

- Well, it's like- - You mean time dilation? - Theoretically you can, but like everything about our modern understanding of physics says that you can- - Time dilation. - Based on time dilation, you can go into the future, but it is, as of our understanding, it is impossible to go back to the past. - Yeah, so- - Yeah. - Yeah, so technically time travel does exist. - You can only slow down time. You can't speed up time. - Yes. - You can't speed up time.

- Time is relative. - Yes. - Time is relative. - Yeah, 'cause even then speed up is incorrect. Like saying time you're going in the future is incorrect. Your perception of time is past it. - Yeah. - You think from your perspective you're in the future, but that doesn't mean you're in the future. But I'm just wondering because maybe there's a gap in my knowledge. - Yes, probably. - Let's assume there are multiple gaps. - There is definitely a gap in my knowledge, but if there is time dilation and there are some people who can,

I guess, perceive themselves in their own frame of reference to travel to the future. Does that mean the future already exists? - Say you haven't seen the latest Kurskisad video. - Oh yeah. - Because he mentions exactly this. - Oh, does he actually? - Yeah, there's a video, the recent Kurskisad video that fucked me up was like his, it was this,

like thought experimental idea that the present past and future is all happening at the same time. - Yeah, so like if time travel does exist in like the future, if we can invent time travel, does that mean that there is a version of a passage of time that already exists in the future and also in the past and is like existing

- Well, quantum physics would say yes. - Joey, don't bring out the quantum physics again. - The moment Joey says quantum physics, you know he's gonna spout some grade A bullshit. - It's true. Hey, I was right about Schrodinger, was I not? - That's the easiest concept. - I didn't see a Mudan fucking correction in that one. - Mudan, how many corrections have you done so far?

- I don't, again, the reason why I love thought experience. - I love thought experience as well. - But I hate it when people try to be like, "Ah, it's out of my control." I'm like, "No, you're just giving up." You're saying that you feel- - You're trying not to understand. - And it is hard not to feel like you have no power over what's happening 'cause we are just one person. But if we've seen anything in- - That's how nihilists are born. - Yeah, if we've seen anything in the world, one person can certainly make a huge difference.

- Quite drastically in our time. Yeah, I mean, you can look at recent figures and you can figure it out. People are pretty impactful if you wanna be a, but it depends what you want. Like what does making an impact feel? Is it just means that you get to celebrate Taco Tuesday without worrying how much you spend every Tuesday or is it changing the world in a meaningful way? Like what is that for you? Like I think it's different for everyone. - What is it for you Connor? - What is what? - What is making an impact in the world for you? - Far. - Yeah, we're going there.

- I'm too beer-zine, we can talk about it. - I don't know, I mean like what? - I want to, give me that third beer. - This is a dry zero, this is non-alcoholic. - Oh, non-alcoholic. - There must be a beer there. There's a beer right there, the hop one. Oh, you want the Modus one? - I'll take the Modus one. - Give me the hop, Euro hop or something, I don't know. - This is- - Oh, give me the Euro hop, fuck it. - To me, I just,

- What's the goal? - What's the goal? - What's the goal? - I would like to leave an impact on people in the same way different media and different stories have left an impact on me. If I can, okay, here's my thing, right? If I can make an audience feel something, whether that be laughter or different kind of emotion, I've done something. And to me, that is what making an impact means for me.

It doesn't necessarily mean to be like a deep message or something. If I have given someone a brighter five seconds for a lot or for a joke that I made, I'm like, ah, I made an impact. - I guess that's what art is to you. That's what art is to you. - Oh, to me art is totally- - Shared experience. - Art is emotions to me. Like to me, like the worst thing you can do is,

for like any piece of media is to make something and then feel nothing. To me making something that's induces like hatred or like a bad emotion is more valuable than something that makes me feel nothing. - And that's exactly why I say school days is a 10 out of 10 because it made me feel a very negative emotion. And I keep using that. I use that exact point in my arguments but none of y'all fucking listen to me.

- But you know I'm right. - Problem with school days is, fuck, how do I argue this? - It's shit. - Thank you, thank you, thank you, Connor. Thank you, Connor, it's shit, thank you. - God damn it, I thought I could get them with two views in. - What's making an impact for you then, Connor? - I don't know, you know, I've had this,

I watched this video a while back about, it was a down the rabbit hole video. I went back through Fred's library and rewatched it occasionally, mainly to fall asleep too. 'Cause Fred's voice is great. - He does have a soothing voice. - Because it's just, it's not, well, it's very, he doesn't shout. - Yeah. - And there was this video about this, I can't remember for the life of me what his name was. He was like, I don't know, this guy had a few mental problems, but,

And he was struggling with a lot. And I think he was in some war at some point. So he was very... He didn't have a lot of money and he kind of like went through trash and grabbed any kind of art supply he could. He would use like scrap or like literal trash to make art. And he never shared any of it with anyone for like decades. And when he died, they went into his apartment and the landlord just found all this stuff. And I guess...

rather than throwing it away, he just was like, "What the fuck is all this?" And decided to share it. And it's like, this guy had built a whole world and this insane series of books that are so weird and so strange and so like kind of foreign, but he'd made this entire complex world that he never shared with anyone.

And it made me think it was like, okay, in this day and age, I feel like we don't have any creativity or not a lot of creativity that is pure creation. It is just the ends to meet the means of making it. And it's so rare that you meet someone who just makes

just to make. There's no reason. There's no purpose. It's just passion to make in the creation process. Well, that's the idea of like the true artist, right? Right, right. We're obsessed with that. Just makes it because they want to make it. Because it's so hard to feel like if somebody is super famous. That's why I feel like we idolize artists that have passed because we're like, we can't see them

about their opinions on politics or whatever. We kind of idolize these figures who have gone because we can look back and be like, look, they became famous after they died. I feel like this is why this happened with art specifically like kind of traditional art. Because we want to, we're obsessed with this idea of the artist who makes art for the sole point of creating, not for any gain. - A lot of like the most like famous artists in the world died completely broke.

- Yeah, absolutely. And I feel that like in this day and age, it's like, it makes me question my own like reasons for making what I make. And I'm like, man, I wish I had the integrity to just make for me. But if I wasn't getting paid, I don't think I'd be doing this still. It might look different. - If you were getting, okay, here's hypothetical question. If you could make the videos or the art that you're making and get paid, but no one would see it, would you still do it?

- I think so. I'd like to think so. I wonder how much of the feedback is important to my process. - I probably wouldn't because I think feedback is just something that whether it's, you know, wanted or not, I think it's just like a part of our- - It's interesting you say that as the Twitch streamer who gets like the instant feedback to some of the stuff that you do. - But I almost would like,

- Like sometimes I stream though and I just literally play the game and I ignore the chat for like 12 hours. And I'm like, I would have done this regardless of if there was one viewer or 10,000, I would have played this. - Well, I mean, when it comes to like just playing a game for instance, like that's easy enough, but say like, you know. - A show? - Yeah, like a show. - I mean, those shows are designed around the feedback. So I feel like that's a bit different. - What if it was like a show that say, for example, some like, say you had like a fucking, you know, oil daddy who was just like, I want you to make this specific video just for me.

- If the pay was good, I'd do it. - Really? - Back in the day, I would have, yeah. - Would you do it now? - No. I make good money now. I don't need it. But back in the day, bro, if you came to me as a student, you're like, this guy wants you to make a fucking 20 minute video of Sebastian, like ASMR-ing.

about someone called Steve, I'd have done it. If they give me like two bands, I'd have done it. I was broke. - It's more about the question of would you create if you would never be able to see anyone's reaction to it and you do it for your own kind of like satisfaction. - I think so 'cause I think the urge to create came very strongly when I kind of got to my,

like very late teens and I realized I'd kind of suppressed that entire side of my personality. 'Cause I deemed it as like not valuable. 'Cause I think this happens to a lot of people, especially in the sciences or engineering. We kind of see creativity as a burden. We're like, this is, I don't need this. This doesn't help the science that I'm trying to progress. - Right, right.

Oddly enough in engineering, creativity is almost lacking and we need more of it. I think creativity is a great way to make sure- Wait, why'd you say that?

We need creative solutions to any problem. A lot of like- - Why do you think it's lacking then? - 'Cause I think that a lot of people go into the sciences and kind of train themselves out of being creative in a sense. They're like, I have to follow the strict guidelines of engineering. 'Cause we're always taught within the sciences, this is how you solve this question. - I think engineers are some of the most creative people on the planet. - No, I think- - They are the most creative people on the planet because they know how to create- - Create a problem.

the laziest way to solve a solution. - No, and I agree with that. - To me that's fucking true creativity. - I agree, but I think when we're looking at stuff like that, we are often looking at people who are,

who are like almost pioneers or who are very good at what they do. I think the average engineer just turns up to work and they do what they need to do. 'Cause a lot of companies don't want someone who is super creative a lot of the time, like do what we tell you to do and do it. Like I feel like a lot of engineering nowadays, at least the way it's taught, I don't know if it's fair. I mean, again, I haven't worked in engineering. So I don't know, but at least the way it was taught. - What was your third year project?

I think I told about this. I did this horrible wave energy renewable project that didn't work at all. - Oh, the water one? - Yeah, the water one. It was like a wave absorption tool that it didn't work. - Yeah. - But would you say that like didn't try to kind of, I guess- - No, 'cause I was just copying previous ideas.

'Cause someone else had come up with this idea and it failed. And for some reason I thought it was good enough to work. - So you just plagiarized the idea? That sounds like a huge- - But that's like saying, no, no, as in the idea that I come up with, like doing wave energy wasn't a new idea, but the design I came up with was new, but it was new and shit.

- Yeah, but that's still like- - Yeah, but you still used your creativity, can't with something new. - That's the thing. You had a problem you need to solve. - I feel like creativity is a fact. If you just saw it, you'd say creativity is- - I didn't say there was good creativity. - No, no, no. - I meant there is creativity there. - I think that if-

engineers were kind of, I think I felt like it was never encouraged to learn or be more expressive or more creative. And I think if I had done more creative stuff on the side for whatever reason, I could have better used that creativity and the way I think about creativity in my engineering degree in some ways to solve problems more efficiently. Because you never, we all think we have the best way of doing everything until somebody decides that they figured out a better way.

- I feel like the creativity I had in my engineering course is very similar to, it's a similar feeling and a similar kind of creativity to what I apply to my YouTube videos, right? A lot of satisfaction I get is

figuring out something new, for example. - Yeah, solving a problem. - Solving a problem, right? Whether that be figuring out a new video that would work for the YouTube algorithm. I get a lot of satisfaction with that. And to me, that's the same kind of satisfaction as figuring out a engineering solution to a problem in my own way. 'Cause like I figured that out, this is my solution. - And I guess that definitely did happen towards the end of the course.

But I'd already had, what, like six, seven years of formal experience where I wasn't allowed to create anything. It was all about problem solving. And the problems have already been pre-solved. And they were just asking me to solve it in the exact same way that they already came up with.

So what I'm getting at is that like, yes, it was great that they gave us that opportunity to do it a few times, but I can count on my one hand how many times I was given the full creativity to solve a problem. But most of the time in engineering and STEM subjects, it was all about solve it in the way we expect you to solve it and answer it in the way we expect you to answer it. Which I feel like doesn't harbor creativity. It doesn't allow you to grow and kind of, what's the word?

kind of develop your creativity skills, which I felt like I was lacking. 'Cause I thought that that's not what engineers do and that's not what science people do. 'Cause I felt like that's the way I've been taught.

I don't know if you ever felt that way at all in class, but that's how it felt for me. - I mean, I feel like Bristol University did, at least when I did the course, it was the first two years was okay, theory, theory, theory, problem solving, problem solving. And then the third year, I think it was a really good project actually. We had this project called, it was like the buggy project where you had a kind of like a structure for a buggy

and the buggy had to basically traverse a maze and do different kinds of thing. And it was up to you and your team how to decide the best way for the buggy to hit all these certain specifications. And I was like, that to me was like, oh, okay, this is the first time I'm applying my knowledge to solve a solution. There is not one solution to this problem. And it's up to your team to figure out the buggy

the best way for them to solve the solution. And that's where you kind of push innovation, where you set a start point, you set a goal and you're like, how do you get to this goal? You can figure it out yourself.

- I mean, the only big project I had was make a wind turbine. You all get a part each, but some people were given a lot easier parts than others. I had to make the shaft. You know how easy it is to make a shaft? Barry, it's not that hard. Whereas the other guy in my group had the gearbox. That's fucked. The gearbox is fucked. - To a non-engineer, they both sound hard. - No, the shaft is like a bunch of cylinders stacked on each other. It wasn't that tough. The guy who had the aerofoils, like the wings, if you will.

when we got to make those, he was like, the professor was like, oh yeah, don't worry. Because you're idiots, there's no way you could design an aerofoil because this is like, this is very complicated aerodynamics. You just go online and pick the aerofoil, the one that's already made. Because you

making an aerofoil as a 20 year old student is very challenging. So he just fucking took it online and then just fucking put it in CAD and his job was done. I made a cylinder and fucking stacked it and chose the material and I was done. And then this guy's making a gearbox and I'm like, there's a bit of a difference in, obviously there was more to it than that. But generally I felt like the guy with the gearbox was on suicide watch.

And I just had to go, whoop. - You were that guy on the group project. - It wasn't even that like, I think at that point it was, we were predetermined what our tasks were based on some criteria. So I must've been like the guy with the helmet on too tight or something 'cause they made me do that one. I don't know, like that. - The guy with the gearbox was a genius. - Yeah, he was really good at it. And I remember he did a great job and my shaft was not very good.

Because I just didn't take it seriously. Because I was like, it's a fucking shaft. What do you want me to do? Wow. How did you fuck it up?

- I don't know. - From how you described it, it sounded very simple. - Yeah, and then you're like, "But I fucked up, it was shit." - Or 'cause- - I chose squares instead of circles. - 'Cause when you make something, right? You're like- - Wait, when you say make, you have to like physically make it? - No, no, no, in CAD. - Oh, in CAD, right. - So then you're like, "All right, cool." And then you get a cylinder and you're like taper and you just go, "Whoop, you've made a cylinder." And then you submit it and the guy goes, "I don't know."

How the fuck are you going to transport an 80 meter tall cylinder? That's impossible. You need to split it into parts. So you're like, okay, shit, all right. Well, that's cut, cut, cut. He's like, well, how are you going to join it? And you're like, okay, well, shit, okay, I got to...

- You're the one that told me to cut it apart. - Well, you have to cut it to transport it, right? - Yeah, yeah. - You're like, okay, and then you do this, and he's like, no, no, no, that's not reasonable. You can't manufacture that. I was like, okay. I was like, okay, all right. He said, think of another way to make it that makes it easier to manufacture, 'cause otherwise this is gonna cost an arm and a leg. When you manufacture anything, there's a thing called tolerances and stuff like that as well, where like,

how shit of a job can they do basically? And you have to account for that. And if you feel like it has to be perfect, it makes the costs crazy. So you basically have to design, you start like, you have this really simple cylinder. You're like, boom.

And then you're like, okay, wait, now we're in the real world and you start cutting back. And it's actually a great way to kind of make you think more about. - To me, that's like creative problem solving because you're like cylinder, boom, here's a shaft, but let's apply real world problems to it. And that's to me is the beauty of engineering, which is like, you have this idea and how do you realize it in the current status of the real world? - Yeah, and I guess that was fun, but I guess like,

- I think that's a great message from the send, but I guess for me personally, because I was so checked out of engineering as well. It was like, I wish there was something a little more hands-on. - I'm gonna say engineers are the fucking goats. - No, they are. - There are so many engineers in so many places that started off doing engineering and have just gone done

way different fucking career paths. - Oh no, for sure. - And I will say some of the skills I learned in my engineering course, I'm applying to YouTube and I know that- - The problem solving that you learned from engineering, I think it's irreplaceable. I think it's great. I just wish that we had a buggy or something 'cause that's way cooler. Like I think if I had a physical thing that I could feel and interact with, it would be way cooler to kind of use. - I'm having this conversation and now I'm just like, man. - You wanna make something? - My kid should do engineering.

- You gonna be that dad? - Now that I think about it, I fucking hated engineering, but I'm just like through this conversation, I'm just realizing how valuable engineering skills can be applied. - It's the modern day Uno reverse to Asian parents. They're like lawyer or doctor, may I suggest engineer? They're like, oh.

- I can't say the same thing. I can't go up to my kid and go, you gotta do web design and music and quantum physics. - I chose, I mean, I don't know why you chose engineering, but I chose engineering out of kind of like, it was like, well, nothing else fits with what I like. And also it turned out that engineering happened to be, and I think generally is from a lot of,

kind of where they've collected a lot of information about it. Engineering tends to be the best return on investment degree. - Right. - Like if you, the amount of money you put in, you generally get the average higher salary. - Also I liked that I saw like what you can get with an engineering degree.

And you do a doctor degree. That's like very limiting on your options. You do like a- - Oh, engineering, you can fucking do anything. - Yeah, yeah. I saw like, oh, you do an engineering degree and you can just do this many jobs afterwards. I was like, great, I don't have to make my decision now, so I'm gonna do engineering. - I mean, this whole podcast has been selling engineering. - Yeah, and then- - The amount of credit I've got from just saying I have an engineering degree and if you asked me to do any fucking basic engineering, I can't do it anymore. - Yeah, yeah. - So much people being like, whoa, you must be smart. Nope, actually quite the opposite.

That's why I'm not doing an engineering job. - And I guess I proved myself right because I didn't think I'd be doing fucking YouTube with an engineering degree, but I am. And I think we apply a lot of things. - Hey, we're like the greats. Markiplier, Felix. Engineering degrees. - Must be nice guys. - You actually can't be a good YouTuber if you don't have an engineer. - Is that why my channel's dying?

- I mean, I think that, yeah, I think it's a great degree, but I kind of wish that for me personally, there's more opportunities to be creative. But again, I think every- - I think that's more to the university. - I mean, the fact that I'd literally won, there was one module where the teacher just gave us the answers the day before the exam. I was like, what the fuck is, that was the moment I was like, what the fuck is this degree? The guy just came in and was like, guys, I'm gonna give you a lecture. You are gonna wanna study it hard.

And he's like, "Question one, this may come up on the test." He said that every single time. And it literally came up in order of his presentation. Literally the exact same question with the numbers different. - He probably looked at the class and was like, "All right, they're fucked." - He was getting some bad results. He needed to bump up those numbers. He found a cheat way to do it, right? - I am curious 'cause the previous professor apparently was very gleeful with the fact that his subject has the lowest pass rates.

But maybe the university, I don't know how it works. Maybe they took that as, "Hey, you're teaching bad. "Why are they all fucking failing?" So maybe the next guy was like, "I have a genius solution to fixing the failing problem." - I will give them the answers. - Because you're not giving them the answers, but suddenly everyone's gone up by 20%. - You're teaching them stuff that might turn up.

- Might as in 99% will turn up. - What's the proudest thing you did or made in university, Joey? - Fucking nothing, dude. - Nothing bro. - Do you have anything good to share for university? - Actually I do, you guys just saw it. The fucking website.

- You made that website? - I made that website in high school, but then I perfected it. - Wait, isn't it with WordPress? - Yeah, but I did all the hard coding. - What? - I hard coded that website. Even though WordPress lets you like soft code and just like play shit, I hard coded that website. - Yeah, I mean coding- - And look at it.

- That's cool. - Did you choose the banners? - I did choose the banners, yeah. I think I remember how I chose these banners. I typed in anime and then dimensions and then I just picked the first one. - Fuck yeah. - I mean, coding is just Lego with words. - It is, it is. I don't know, what's the proudest thing I made?

- In my last year, we had this like robotic arm that we had at the university and we had to make a program that could make the robotic arm do different stuff. And so my group made a custom, it was a cocktail making robot. So basically the robot had an arm, right? - Bro, what the fuck I'm sitting here, cardboard and LEDs. - No, no, no, no, but here's the thing. It didn't fucking work.

- But you had a robot arm. - We had a robot arm on campus. - Imagine if it did work. - Yeah, if it worked, it would have been- - Core memory shit. - It would have been core memory as fuck. But the only thing he could do was pour a beer. - How is that an L? - I assume this is a win. - No, no, because-

- No, because we literally, it was a mixture between, we had two guys who were majoring in programming and then I was majoring in UX design. So basically I had to make the UX for this app where if you press, it was the scenario of you went up to a bar,

and there's a robot on there. You had to make an app and like create it so that like, if you came up to the thing and you'd press a couple of buttons being like, I wanna make this with this strength and blah, blah, blah. And then you press it. - You just could have been the Zuckerberg of jacking off. - I could have, but then, and then, you know, you type in like, okay, I want a gin and tonic. Give me a double shot.

with no ice or yes ice. And you press all of these and then it would send the program to the robot and the robot would grab each of the bottles and make it for you. - Bro, you just experienced life. This is professional projects in a nutshell. Person A has an idea, he gets the budgets. And then you realize you have to scale down on what your original specifications were meant to be. And then you get the final product. And I was like, and you're like,

- Well, this isn't what I envisioned, but I can still pour a beer. - I get that it's like a cool proof of concept, but if I went to a bar, my bartender was a robot, I think I'd just become sober. - Yeah, right? - I just don't, like for me, the bartender is part of the drinking experience. - Totally, totally. - The guy maybe- - It depends on the bar. You go to a Wetherspoons and sometimes you're like, I've waited 15 fucking minutes to get a drink.

please just have a fucking robot dispense my drink please. - No, it's part of the personality. It's part of the flavor of the drink. - Waiting 20 minutes is not part of the personality. - It might be cool the first couple of times you experience it being like, oh, the fucking robot made this drink for me. But then after a while you're just like, fuck man. - There is a gap for it is what I'm saying. There are some places where you just need to get a drink as fast as,

as fast and efficiently as possible. And Wetherspoons on a fucking Saturday night is one of those days. - I still want my pipe poured by a 50 year old man who has slightly racist beliefs and loves football too much. He just does it right. - That's true. This is like city boy versus country boy. - Yeah, right? - I'm like, I want the core of Bonnie's. - I just need, I've waited too many.

Been to too many bars. - You're misunderstanding the whole point of alcohol, Garnt, which is socializing.

I wanna socialize with my friends. - Even having that slight awkward interaction with the bartender, we'll be of a great connection with the bartender. - Some bars, okay, if it's like an intimate bar, yes, I agree. - Even if it's a busy bar, I love getting the guy's attention. - Fuck no. - Don't ever do that by the way. Don't ever do that. You will literally get killed in the British pub. I think you would actually get thrown out. - Yeah, probably. - I think he actually would refuse to serve you. - No, 'cause your interaction boils down to, what do you want?

- You want fucking 10 Jager bombs? And then you take half an hour of everyone else's time. - I need that man of like- - I've been on the other side of that and I want to kill myself. - That's what I seek. When I do a ridiculous order, I want the person to reflect that with,

- No, no, that makes me feel bad, bro. - No, no, that's part of the experience. - I want to just cold bloodedly press 10 Jager bombs on a fucking app and the robot just does it. - When I order like 15 drinks, I don't want someone to go, "No problem." I want someone to go, "Oh, 15 drinks, okay, well."

- Look, look, look, Connor. - I need to be affirmed that this is an insane amount of drinks and that me and my boys are going hard tonight. - Connor, when I go to Wetherspoons, I'm not looking for fucking ambiance or a fucking connection with the bartender. - You don't understand that the Wetherspoons, the bald man in the bar is bringing you ambiance. - I am getting,

I am going there for the specific reason to get drunk as fast as I can, as cheap as I can. - What next? You want all the people in the bar to replace your robots 'cause they're not interacting, they talk too loudly or something? - I mean, Japan's already there in some places. - I'm gonna go piss. - You guys can keep talking about this. - But yeah, no, I agree. - So how far did you get with it? So you poured a beer? - So I literally- - And you weren't proud of that shit? - No, because everybody else has worked perfectly.

And it was so annoying as well because like, I'm not gonna blame the programmers because I was just on the UX and UI side of things, right? Like I made a bomb ass UI. Like I made fucking Atlas proud with my UI. It was a bomb ass UI, looked great, functioned perfectly. And then something on the day, we tested it for like weeks. We fucking debugged that shit for weeks before the day. And we were like, all right, seems to work. It's

It's great. On the day we had to present it, the robot was just like, nah, bro. - Bro, you had a fucking cyberpunk 2077. - No, legit. Like I would be like, watch this robot make a gin and tonic double shot.

- Why is it not doing anything? Also, this is the most Aussie fucking idea I've ever heard in my life. You have a fucking robot arm that can do anything? - No, and here's the cruelest thing. Because it was the final project for our final year, they decided, hey, you know what would be the best place to showcase all of these projects for this robotic arm? - Yeah.

the final day before graduation when everybody is partying in the campus. - Right. - So not only was it like our curricula or like our faculty that was partying, you know, with this like robot that can serve alcohol. - Yeah. - But it was also the rest of the entire university that came to like check out this robot. And then I have to fucking stand there and be like,

- Yeah, so my robot can only pour a beer. - Bro, that sounds fucking amazing. - It was, I hated it. I left early, I'm pretty sure, 'cause I'm like, this is too much of a shame to show to people. 'Cause like all these other ones were like fucking shaking the thing and everything like that. And I'm just like, mine can pour a beer. - First of all, your university is way too rich if they have that many robot arms. - Well, Sydney University, bro. - Okay. - All right. - We had that Monet.

- I mean, okay, I saw what Sydney said at the other restaurant. I don't know if she should be running a university. I turned up to my graduation in university and I bought the suit at Primark the day before. I didn't realize like I needed like a tie or anything. So I just kind of rocked up in like a blazer and a shirt. - Wait, you guys wore suits to your graduation?

- We borrow like the gobs and the hat. - We don't do that. - Oh no. - At least not in my universities. And I remember I was like the least dressed person. My parents were so embarrassed. They were like, "Why is Connor, he doesn't even have a fucking tie. What is he doing? What the fuck?" - Motherfucker looking like a waiter. - I was like, "Fucking cheers, mate." See you later. - Motherfucker looking like a waiter at Olive Garden. - Basically, yeah. I really looked like a waiter. I turned around, I was like, "Oh, thanks man. Thanks for the degree."

- Yeah, I got to do like the hat throwing thing. - Oh, we didn't do that. - Oh, we didn't do that. - That was great. - We don't subscribe to this American propaganda, all right? - I mean, I enjoyed it. - Well, you should not. - You know what? That was a core memory for me. The hat throwing, I was like, "I've seen this in so many movies." - I don't know if you felt this way, but I felt this very morbid kind of...

it's kind of morbidness at the end of your graduation ceremony where you kind of have, you talk to everyone afterwards and you're kind of like, I'm not going to see half you fuck more than half. Like I'm not going to see 95% of you people ever again. Yeah. And some of you were so, and some of you were so, you know, influential at one point or another in my life. Yeah. And I'm never going to see you guys again. I think right now I only like regularly hang out with maybe three of my mates from university.

- I don't hang out with any. - Yeah, I realized it was like two for a while. And as I've not gone back to the UK for a while, it's kind of become zero. 'Cause I don't, I didn't, you know, I'm not the kind of person I really like small talk texting. I think it's kind of just not fun. - Oh no, I don't small talk text my uni friends. - But I reckon if I hit them up and I went back, it'd be a great time. - Oh yeah, no, every time I go back to Australia, like there's like one or two people I always hang out with. - One of my uni mates who, when I last saw him, he was gonna,

he was gonna take over his girlfriend's company. And then three years later he messaged me and he's like one of the like biggest shareholders on one of the biggest e-sports companies in the UK. - Oh shit. - And he's like giving me ad deals and stuff. And we met up in LA, it was so surreal. - That's badass. - So I was like, what the fuck? Like how did this happen?

- He was always cool dude. - He didn't even like games going on. - No, he loved games and he loved e-sports. But I remember that like, he was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna go take over my girlfriend's company." And then he went on to not do that. And I saw him three years later in fucking LA. And he's like the head of this fucking company. I'm like, "What the fuck happened? How did you do that that fast?" It was very impressive. - Have you ever gone down to your like Facebook feed just to see-

what anyone who like in high school or shit was doing. - Everyone's doing like really normal stuff. - Yeah, they're either all married or they're all with kids or they just have like a normal job. - Kind of wish someone became like a Willy Wonka or something. So kind of have some like- - The craziest one for me is one of my high school friends, actually I've known him since primary school, Japanese guy, became the youngest wine sommelier in history. - Oh, he keeps telling me about this dude. - Oh shit, yeah. - Yeah, Toru Takamatsu. He was, which is really weird because he never drank.

- Yeah. - Like up until we graduated, like he wasn't- - Refining the tongue. - Yeah. - Not allowing it to be spoiled and sullied by poor alcohol. - Because he was like really, really into coffee during high school. Like he was, and everybody thought he was gonna go down like the barista line. - Yeah. - Right?

like a couple of years later, like after we hadn't seen each other for a while, 'cause we're all adults. - Yeah. - I just like saw him in the newspaper and it was like, oh, Toru Takamatsu, the youngest wine sommelier in history. And I was like, what the fuck? When did this happen? I thought you were a coffee guy. - Yeah. It's weird to see, it's interesting to see, to me it's like interesting to see what different life paths people have taken sometimes. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I kind of, but then I also sometimes get, I don't know, I don't know. Sometimes I kind of,

especially when I speak to some of my friends that had such lofty ambitions and then you kind of see them not doing what they said they wanted to do. Kind of get sad 'cause I'm like, man, you have such fucking cool ideas and you wanted to do this crazy thing and you ended up not doing that. - For sure. - And it's always kind of, I don't know, it's frustrating. 'Cause you're like, man, you're so fucking talented.

- On the flip side, it's interesting to see people who are just seem like an absolute fucking mess. - And they figured it out. - In high school, they just fucking figure it out. - That's me, that's me. - Okay, question. Would you go to your high school reunion if you were asked? I don't know if you would. - I missed my high school reunion. - I missed mine as well. - Wait, when was it? - Last year. Actually no, year before. - What was, what like anniversary was that? - 2022, 10 year anniversary.

- Oh shit. - Yeah, I missed mine two years ago. - Would that be like mine next year? - When did you graduate? - I don't fucking know. How old am I? I'm 27, Joey. - You're 27. So yeah, next year will be for you. - Shit, it's fine. - 2015. - Would you go to your- - If it lined up with the schedule. I'm not going to the UK for it. - I'm genuinely sad. - The only reason I wouldn't is because I didn't, sorry, is because it didn't line up and I wasn't in the UK. - I'd really like to go see a bunch of my old screw friends. - I couldn't do it 'cause of COVID.

- Oh shit. Wait, do they still have it? - Well, no, it was the tail end of COVID, right? 2022. So I couldn't, it was still like, I couldn't go to Australia. - Would you have gotten that if COVID wasn't a thing? - I would have. - Yeah, I think it'd be fun. - Yeah, because like I heard about it from a couple of my mates and like the turnout, because we had such a small year, like there was only like,

40, 50 people in our year. So, and most of them still lived in Sydney. So like it was surprising, like I think it was like 80% of the year, like actually showed up, which is interesting because like the throughout our high school, like we all had our own clicks and we weren't necessarily like hanging out with one another all the time. Like it was always just segregated into different friend groups. But yeah, my friend was telling me about it and he was like, yeah, it was really crazy just seeing that

everybody was still just interacting with one another like it was still high school. And it was kind of bizarre. - I would like to go to my high school reunion. - Yeah, I would have really liked to. If we're doing like a 20th year anniversary, I would definitely go. - I would like to go to my university reunion as well if there was like a class of like, that would be a lot of fun. - Classes are so big though. - That's true. - That's the problem. - Just message all your mates independently being like, "I've summoned you. All of us come to Japan. Let's hang out." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys come to me.

- Not the other way around. - Yeah, I'm the only one here, but come on. - Did I tell you that I met like the guy who sold drugs in my...

- Do you tell? - Yeah, I met the guy randomly in the UK. And I remember back when I was a teenager, he was known as the guy who had all of the drugs. - There was always one. - Right, there was always that one guy. Not that I like really, he wasn't a friend. He was just like- - Man, you gotta get Modern Warfare 2 somehow. - Yeah, yeah, he was just the guy that I knew. Everyone knew in the school, yeah. Randomly met him.

I just like randomly met him a few years ago on a night out in Bristol. And I was like, "Oh shit, what are you up to now?" He was like, at the time, he was like selling Pokemon cards.

- Oh yeah, you told me about that. - Yeah, he was- - Yeah, yeah, his new grift, right? - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I think that's just the spirit of a hustler. It doesn't matter what makes money, he's just gonna hustle whatever makes the most- - Whatever is just very illegal. - Whatever makes the most money at the time, whether it's legal or not. - See, I have a story of a friend from high school who was that, but ended up being the opposite. So he wasn't necessarily like the drug dealer guy, but he did a lot of drugs.

And he was like overall, like pretty well, like badly behaved during high school. Like always got into trouble with all kinds of stuff. Ended up being a lawyer.

And I'm like, how he would know the law the best? How the fuck did that happen? - A lot of people, you know, I think there's an argument where you just kind of get it out of your system. You're like, I'm gonna do all the crazy shit while I get away with it. - I mean, I'd say it's maybe a 50/50 chance. - It's up to the person. - It was destiny, dare I say. - Well, I think some people experience that kind of stuff and they're like, I'm good. Like, I don't need this. Like, I have no interest in this.

- I had a, maybe like four, right, maybe, actually it was the, right before I moved to Japan, I had a night out and one of like, I never got in a fight with him or anything, but he was a kind of a bully and I went out with him. And this was like three or four years after high school had ended at this point, 'cause it was after university basically. So I think, yeah, three or four years.

And I was kind of like, all right, awesome. Maybe he's like cool now. And I met up with him and he was like, yeah, it was super fucking cool. But as we kept drinking, it slowly came back more like the kind of dick bully that he was. Like he started doing shit that was just like a dick. Like he was just making fun of people, like pushing people around a little bit. And I was like, oh, you just got good at hiding. You just learned how to hide being a dick.

Like you are deep down still a dickhead. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And it was really interesting 'cause I really genuinely, I was like, oh, this guy's pretty fucking chill. - Well, it's also probably because hanging out with you brought back those memories, right? Yeah, because like, you know, I'd be lying if I said that, you know, if when I hung out, 'cause you know, when I went back to Australia last Christmas, I hung out, I got to hang out with my high school mates 'cause we're still quite close and we hadn't gathered all together in that friend group in fuck, like almost 10 years now. - Yeah.

And it was surprising. Like I was a little bit nervous because I didn't know if that amount of time passing would change the dynamic of like how we interact with one another.

I don't know why I worried because the moment we all got to that pub and we were just like hanging out playing pool and doing whatever, I felt like I was back in high school. And I was like, you know, like at first there was that kind of like slight awkwardness of like, oh shit, I haven't seen you in like five years, 10 years, whatever. But then the moment we all kind of got comfortable with each other again, it was literally like, I had flashbacks of high school. And I'm like, man, that's so weird how it's like that.

Because it just happens. Like that side of you, you haven't brought out in all that time. Just suddenly when all the pieces are fit together, they just click and it's out before you know it. Like my Australian accent tripled. Yeah.

during that night. - Oh, bros, every time I go back to England, I think it depends on who I talk to, but sometimes my accent just like flips back to good old 2007 anime zone. - Oh yeah, totally, totally. - But hey, we talk too much because- - Shit, Alex is having a good time. - Yeah, I know, right? I gotta go for another like two hours.

But alas, your guys are gonna have to wait for the next drunk episode whenever that might be. But hey, look at all these patrons though. - Yeah. - Let us know of your- - Cheers to you patrons. - Yeah, cheers. If you've been drinking along with us this episode- - I've run out of beer and I've gone to non-alcoholic beer now. - Oh no. - If you've been drinking along with us this episode, then good on you. If you're too young for that, then don't watch this episode until you're of age. But hey, if you enjoy this episode, then, and if you wanna support us, sorry, I'm slurring a bit, then make sure-

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Play the clip Moodon. - Every week. - If you don't live off instant noodles in uni, then you are doing life wrong. Is this gone? - This is me. This is me. - I think I'm in uni at this period though. - Okay, I think it's Connor. - No. - Wasn't that amazing? - Oh my God. - It was so amazing. - I loved that thing we did. - I came. - We'll see you guys in the next episode. - Bye.