We Have Trash Taste in Manga | Trash Taste #35
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- Hello and welcome to Trash Taste, the anime podcast where we talk about Japan, food, shitting, and occasionally anime. I am your host for today, Gigguk, and with me are the boys. - That's our new tagline, isn't it? - I was just like, well, what is a tagline that could go well with Trash Taste? - I mean, that sounds about right. Like that's probably the most accurate. - The anime podcast. - Anime podcast where it's 5% anime, 95% everything else.

- But how are you guys doing? How are you boys doing? - Since last week, we spoke about Claymore and I was like, fuck it, I'll read Claymore. And it was really good. - You literally just finished it like two minutes before we started recording. - But to be fair, if you haven't read Claymore or anything about it, don't worry about it. You don't need to know anything. Manga's good.

until about halfway and then it kind of just goes a bit shit. - Yeah, second half's definitely underwhelming. - I feel like a lot of anime or manga do this where they build up like this fucking amazing world that I think is too big of a scope and then they just let like, fuck, we need to finish this. Like within like 200 chapters, how do we do that?

- Well, I think for a lot of the times, at least with like "Shonen Jump" 'cause Claymore's from "Shonen Jump." A lot of the times the authors don't really have a choice as to how long it goes for. - I feel like "Shonen Jump" goes through the same problem as a lot of American TV shows where you have some like rare, something like "Breaking Bad," for example, it's like a rarity where a show just gets better, it hits its peak,

and then it stops. You know what I mean? - Better Call Saul comes along. - Yeah. That's more like a spinoff, right? - I think Better Call Saul is better than Breaking Bad. - Oh, okay. You're one of those. - I think it's really fucking good. - You're one of those. - I think it's really fucking good. I don't know. - I haven't seen either one so I can't say. - Okay, yeah, go on. - But yeah, the problem with a lot of like Shonen Jump manga is that most of the time they either go on for too short or they get dragged out. You're either like a bleach

or you are something that gets canceled early like most other Shonen Jump shows. - Yeah, that's the thing is right, is that like with Shonen Jump, they have every month they have rankings. And if you have even just a slight dip in popularity, then they're kind of just like, well, time to wrap it up boyo. And the author's like, well,

I just got started. It's like, it doesn't matter. I got to wrap it up. - I wonder if that's what happened. But to be fair, when I was reading this, it's 150 chapters around like the 80th. I was like, ah yeah, this isn't going to end like great. It ended, which is better than most. - Well, I mean, you know, yeah. It's better than like what happened to like Yu Yu Hakusho, right? - Yeah. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Where like the last arc just got completely fucking gutted. - I mean, you can tell when an author just like has to wrap things up in five chapters or something and you're just like,

- Yeah, yeah, true, true. - Some stuff that they've been building up for like 100 to 200 chapters just gets wrapped up in 10 chapters and you're like, what the fuck was this? - And then there's like the opposite of that with, what's the manga cover of "Hunter Cold"?

- Togashi? - Togashi, yeah. Where he introduces like the dark continent when he can't fucking make one chapter. And he's like, how about I just expand the world tenfold? - I tweeted out about it the other day, but I found out the other day that in the span that it took Togashi to release volume 32 to 33, "Assassination Classroom" started and ended. - Oh my God.

- So if you don't know, "Hunter Hunter" has been on hiatus, not hiatus. Basically we get a chapter like once every two years. - No, it's definitely a hiatus. - Yeah, yeah. We get a chapter once every two years. - HXH is short for hiatus, ex hiatus. - What counts as a hiatus nowadays? Is it like a "Hunter Hunter" hiatus or a "Berserk" hiatus? You know what I mean? - I mean, they're kind of the same thing. - It's just like,

maybe it's just a very slow release schedule. You know what I mean? - True, true, true. - But have you seen some of Hunter x Hunter's latest chapters? Have you seen some of the Dark Continent chapters? I've seen like some of the later chapters and,

some of them are just literally, there are pages that is just all text. There's like one character and it's literally- - I actually saw it on Twitter, right? - It's just a full page of texts. And at this point I'm just like, "Tagashi, if you wanna write a light novel, just write a light novel, man." - This mangaka is just somehow like writing a book without realizing it. I don't know how you do that. - I mean, he is kind of releasing volumes on the schedule of like light novel books.

- Exactly. It's like, why are we pretending that this is a manga anymore? - And like the drawings, oh my God. - Yeah. - Hire someone on DeviantArt, man. Just do it already. What's going on? - What I wanna know is like, 'cause I don't think Togashi uses assistance. - Maybe, probably not. - Probably not because if not- - This is all assumptions, I think. - You'd think that he'd get assistance to draw, right?

- His wife? - Oh, well, yeah. His wife is the author of Sailor Moon. - Oh shit, we just dissed on his wife. - Yeah.

We dissed on one of the greatest shoujo manga authors of all time. - All right, listen, "Hunter x Hunter," if you haven't read or seen it, just do it. It's amazing, but just be prepared for just to never be felt complete. - Okay, so here's the thing. I haven't read "Hunter x Hunter" at all, but I have all of the volumes up until this point. - Dude, honestly, watch the anime. The anime is so fucking good. - Yeah, the anime is great. It's one of the few anime that I think is better than the manga. - Really? - And that's because

- The 2011 version. - Yeah, the 2011 version. 'Cause some of the later like arcs, especially the "Kamera Ant" arc, Togashi's arc is really up and down at points because of his health complications that he was going through. But like the anime is just consistent throughout. - So to anyone who doesn't know, I would recommend and Gar would recommend. - 'Cause I know so much about

the series of like characters and like men and all that. I know so many references, but I've never actually sat down and read or watched it. - I think I know enough about Naruto to like lie.

- Lying my way through a conversation being like, "Ah, yeah, the Leaf Village." Crazy, man. - I could probably lie my way through a Fullmetal Alchemist conversation. I have done many times. - Oh man, that's just so sad, bro. - I mean, let's be real. I feel we've all done that, right? Where everyone around you is talking about an anime and you're kind of just like, "Yeah, that thing." - For like five years, I was an anime fan who hadn't watched Evangelion. People would be like, "Dude, it's epic, right?" I'm like, "Yeah, dude, you're like, "Get in the robot." "Yeah, my dad hates me."

- Yeah dude, love that. Love the part with the mechs fight. That shit's crazy. Just do that. - I admittedly did that a little bit with bleach for a while. - It's when you're insecure, right? - Yeah, I did that for a while with bleach because I didn't, I dropped it.

at the Eisen arc. So anything after that, I had no fucking idea, but people around me kept reading it and they were like, yeah, you know, the whole like Wicca Mundo stuff. I was like, yeah, that thing. Yeah, that thing totally. - To be fair, Leech is one of those anime or manga that you could feel

- You can feasibly lie your way out of it to make it seem like you've seen it without having seen it. After you've watched like a third, the first few works, then you kind of just can just bullshit your way through. - I too also want to see more Bankai. - I feel like the same with One Piece, right? 'Cause One Piece is so long. It's like the Simpsons, right? Where everything that could ever happen has probably happened. So you could be like, dude, my favorite episode is where like Homer Simpson becomes a crack addict. That's probably an episode of The Simpsons, right?

- I mean, you can probably do that with one piece right now. You're the only one who hasn't seen it. - So you can just randomly be like, yeah, I love that episode where Luffy and Chopper make out. - I love the part where the pirates find another band of pirates that are bad initially and then turn and are part of some military. And then they're like, dude, let's just be good. Let's help Luffy out. - Oh yeah, the water seminar.

- That probably happens. - Probably, yeah, probably something. - That was vague enough that- - If I keep it vague, right? - That could be about four different arcs in one piece. - Yes, I know enough base information about "One Piece." I still haven't read it yet. Again, I downloaded some chapters on my phone, but maybe one day. - So you're downloading a lot of chapters now, I see. - No, I have like 10 volumes downloaded, which is as much.

- How far into it? - I don't fucking know. - Well, because we're approaching what? Volume 100 of "One Piece". - We're approaching chapter 1000, I think, aren't we? Which is going to be a landmark and yeah. A thousand chapters. - Can you imagine dude fucking a thousand, every week, a thousand chapters. - I cannot fucking imagine. - That's a thousand weeks at least minimum. - Is he married, the author?

- I think so. I think so. - It's kind of interesting because- - May then be the fact checker. - Yeah, it's kind of interesting actually because Oda Ichiro. - I feel like you can't be married and make one piece. Like it's pick one. - Well, it's so interesting because like, I feel not a whole- - He is married, yes. - Okay, so because like not a whole lot about Oda is even known because he so rarely makes any like TV appearances or like interview appearances 'cause he's too busy fucking writing a chapter a week, right?

- He's not just doing that, 'cause Oda out of every author is way more involved in the anime production as well. - Right, yeah. - 'Cause normally- - He helps produce, right? - Yeah, yeah, with normally a lot of anime productions, people were just like, okay, there's the author, and then the author just gets sidelined and they just continue doing that stuff, and maybe they'll watch the anime, you know? But, you know, Oda's been involved in a lot of the anime production, which I don't, where does he find the time to do this? I don't know. - I don't know.

- This man is like a time management machine. - As a Shonen Jump author, I don't know how you can have a life, like most authors don't have a life outside of their magazine. I mean, most of them have health complications because of how much they work. - Not to mention that, like, I swear with every new chapter, Oda's art is just evolving.

Like it's getting more, like some of the recent chapters are so fucking detailed where it's like, how do you draw this in a week? - Yeah, exactly. Like people like to piss on one piece character designs because, oh, it looks cartoonish, it looks childish. - They do look fucking weird. - They do look weird. - Yeah, but at least it's like so distinct to the point where you can look at a character and be like, oh yeah, that's a one piece character. - Yeah. - Yeah, true. But you said about Simpsons, but you don't have any like family guy character. - Yeah, exactly.

- But I would argue that like that's better than a fucking generic ass looking character that could fit into any like, you know, show of that caliber. - I mean, it's way, or any one of Oda's character designs is way more memorable than his generic isekai protagonist number 75 that looks like Kirito just reskinned. You know what I mean? Like that's, I think that's my biggest problem with a lot of light novel adaptations is that you can tell light novel adaptations nowadays by just the character designs. - How they look. - And just the art styles, right?

- Yeah, because the character designs haven't changed from like 10 years ago. - Yeah, I know, right? - It's like good looking boy with average proportions with spiky hair, color it in. - Exactly. - A weird color, there you go. - Like even a lot of like the girls as well, 'cause I think one- - His pink head character. - Yeah, like one of my favorite female characters to come out of recent times is Mai Sakurajima from "Bunny Girl Senpai." And like I really liked all of the cast there and all of the characters, but-

my God, they have such forgettable character designs. You know what I mean? Compared to some of the characters from say like Monogatari or something like that, which, you know, it gets compared a lot to, and I see the same charm, but in terms of the memorability of the character designs, it's just Bunny Girl Senpai just looks like the most generic. - Well, I mean, that's why they had to- - That's only one of the reasons I just didn't watch it. - Yeah, that's why they had to put her in a bunny costume, right? - Exactly. - To differentiate between all the other characters. - Exactly.

- 'Cause there's a lot of anime characters just like silhouette or eyes, right? You can just know. - Right. And like, you know, I would argue again, like that's, I think one of the strong suits about "One Piece", right? Is that like, because the character looks so fucking wacky, you can immediately tell that's a "One Piece" character. - Yeah. - Yeah, sure. - And it's the way I describe Oda is it's some,

It's like you're reading a story from someone who has the imagination of a 10 year old, but the writing skills of like Joe R. R. Martin or something like that. You know what I mean? It's so weird because you see a character like this cross-dressing ballerina, for example, and you're like, what is this wacky character? - Number three. - Yeah, yeah. - Mr. Two. So yeah, Mr. Two. - Mr. Two, sorry, I missed it.

- Yeah, I always get the numbers mixed up. - Mr. Two Bon Clay Summer. - Yeah, Mr. Green Eggs and Ham. - But you see his character design for the first time and you're just like this, I'm never gonna give a shit about this character. And then he ends up in later arcs bringing you to tears sometimes and just like, how did this happen? How does he make,

How did Oda make me care about this person right now that you can see on screen? Anyone who hasn't watched one piece is probably looking at this being like, what the fuck? - Who is this clown? - Who is this literal clown? You know what I mean?

- That's your weekly jack off to one piece segment of the podcast. - Yeah, as we're gonna do every week now. - What are we gonna do every week until you- - Until you start reading it. - If I read it, it will become a fucking one piece podcast. - No, no, no, no. - It won't, but it might become more of a manga podcast. - I'll spend like 20 hours reading a manga, my review will be like, "Yeah, it's all right."

- So what would you give out of 10 Claymore? - Six. - Six? - Six. - Really? - I don't wanna read anyone else's reviews of manga at all. I don't wanna know 'cause I feel like right now because I don't touch anything with the reviews in terms of manga. I don't know what the popular opinion is. I don't know if I should go into a thing and think it's good or bad. I just see something and I'm like, I'll read that and make up my own choice. Kind of like it though in my own bubble of like,

I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks. - It's weird, right? 'Cause I feel like manga readers just exist in their own bubbles, right? 'Cause when we talk about the anime community, most people refer to it as like the anime and manga community. We kind of assume that we're just synonymous with each other, right? But then there are times when I just kind of realized that I have no idea what's going on in the manga world sometimes. Like there's this recent, there's this airing anime right now called "Horimiya"

- What the fuck is that? - So good. - Yeah, exactly. - So good. - Exactly. Meilyne's just like fan girl. - Yeah, the manga is- - Favorite manga according to Meilyne. - The manga is fucking awesome. - Like when the anime is getting adapted, there was like so many manga readers that were just- - They come out. - They just come out.

and say, oh my God, this is my favorite manga. I fucking love this manga. And here I am thinking, what is this rock that you're all living under? What is this rock? - This is the thing, right? I say six out of 10, but I'm sure that they're like me. They're like, I forget about it. But when the anime is announced, I'm like, yo, yo, that's my fucking favorite. I love that one.

I read that ages ago, I loved that. - No, 'cause the thing is I had never heard of "Horimiya" before the anime got adapted this winter season, right? And I'm just like, it must be a pretty like, it must have like a cult following or something. So search it up and- - Oh, it has a cult following, right? - And it is the 13th most popular manga of all time on my anime list. And I'm just like,

"How have I never heard this name before? "Or how has no one discussed this in my presence before?" - Right, right. - Reading bad. - Well, that's the thing. That's what I find so interesting about the manga world is that even if it's like universally praised and credited as being this most amazing piece of work in the manga world, it's just really surprising how few people in the anime community actually know about it. Like I guarantee, not many people know about like Oyasumi Punpun.

Even though I think it's like the second or third highest rated manga on now. - I feel like, I don't know, some like seinen manga, you have like the seinen big four, I think. You have like "Minland Saga." - Always the fucking big numbers. - It is, 'cause it's- - Well, it's not quite the medium four, is it?

- Why always the big one? - The small four. - Not up to the top, you know? That describes things pretty well. - Nevermind, carry on. - We should rename it, not the, like the Gigafour or something. - The Gigafour. - The Gigafour. - It might be three. I can't remember 'cause it's- - Which ones are you referring to? - You know the crowd that always talk about Vinland Saga? - Berserk. - It's either Vinland Saga, Berserk, or fucking- - Golden Camry?

- Oh, vagabond. Yeah. - And I think there's one more that is in that genre that everyone keeps. - Maybe golden camo.

- No, it's not a golden Kamui, but maybe it's just a big three. Maybe I'm just imagining things, but like I feel like a lot of seinen manga gets talked about as like these masterpieces, you know what I mean? But some like slice of life romance manga like Horimiya that is apparently very popular just don't get talked about in the same sphere. - Well, I would argue that like even the big three seinen, I guess we've coined it now, like barely get talked about. Like it upsets me how few people know about like Vagabond.

- Really? - Yeah. - I feel like a lot of people know about Vagabond. - I don't know about Vagabond. - Okay. - I know it is a title that exists. I know absolutely nothing about it. - So Vagabond essentially is, it's a samurai manga. - Yeah. - But it's done by the author who did Slam Dunk. - Oh, okay. I mean, that sounds cool. - So you know where somehow not only managed to make one of the greatest sports manga ever made, but also one of the greatest samurai manga ever made. And it's fucking amazing. - Okay. How many chapters is it?

- Still ongoing. - Still ongoing. - It's on hiatus. - I don't know what it is about this, you know, the brutal Sane in manga where you get up to like 200 or 300 chapters and the author is just like, I'm a head out. - I'm gonna take a break. - I think like, at least the manga I've read, it feels like they build up like a really cool world. And again, they just like, either gets too big

And they're just like, "Right, we gotta reign this in." Or like it just gets way too big and it ends with like so many fucking things not explored. - 'Cause like going back to "Hunter Hunter," like it got up to a point when I'm just like, "This is a comfortable place to end it." You know what I mean? This is a comfortable place to like try- - It could have ended it. - Yeah, no, it definitely could have ended it. And then she introduces the Dark Continent, which without spoiling the exact details of it is- - No one's ever gonna see the end of it.

- You have this world that Togashi built up in "Hunter x Hunter" and it was like, how long was like the run? Whatever. - It's like 148 episodes. - Yeah, 148 episodes, right? And it ended to a point where you explored everything you needed to explore about the world, right? And he went on hiatus and everyone was just like, "Oh, you know, 'Hunter x Hunter' must be coming to an end."

And then he comes back and he's just like, "JK, by the way, this is just one fifth of the world." - I hate it when they do that, man. Like, don't come here and pull it out of your ass. It's like a fucking like parody iPhone presentation. It's like, but wait, there's more. It's like, wait, but no, stop, stop. There shouldn't be more. As cool as the idea is of like expanding the world, it's honestly one of the things that makes me roll my eyes the most when I've been reading manga lately is when they're like,

but there's another continent or planet. And I'm like, oh, for fuck sake, there is not gonna be another planet that is gonna be satisfied. - That's exactly how I felt when like, you know, in like Dragon Ball, when they started expanding on like multiverse. I was like, bro, I thought like blowing up planets and like taking over the universe was hard enough. And now it's like,

- Well, you know, there's like seven more universes out there that we can explore as well. - Nothing gets my job like softer than hearing multiverse or like expanding the universe out of like- - I think the one thing I hate the most is how like, I don't mind them like introducing that kind of thing. If they actually fall- - Yeah, but the problem is they'll just drop it in like a chapter. They'll be like, oh, by the way, there's other worlds. And then it's like, no, there wasn't. There was never other worlds. You never made this manga with other worlds in mind. You liar, you're adding this now.

- That is true. - 'Cause like, okay, back, sorry to bring it up again for like the ninth time, but like when I was reading Claymore, they just casually mentioned like there's two worlds having a war and then it's like never brought up again. And then they just, it just ends and we never hit end.

anything about the other world that's apparently having a war. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So everyone gets to go alone happy. But the whole reason why this world exists is 'cause there was a war and this was like a testing. It's really bullshit. Like I don't like it when they do this, especially when the manga is like, you know,

it's been going on for a long time and it already feels like it's stretching thin and then they're like, "Another world, baby." And it's like, "No, no, no, no, no." - True, true, true. - And like you said, if they build it up, fine. But when they just drop it, I hate it. - Yeah, yeah. - No, you sometimes see these plot points in manga that is just like dropped and for some reason you just never hear about it again. Like aside from other worlds, the biggest example I can think of is the Gantz manga. - Oh my God.

- I love that one, but I was so dumb. - Yeah, where I just like, remember when there were vampires in it and that was a big plot point? - Oh yeah, there's like the vampire gang. - And then they just disappeared? - Yeah, yeah. - And we're just never heard about again? - There's a lot of stuff in Gant. So if you haven't read Gant's, I guess you could.

it's very long. The artwork is fucking amazing. We spoke about it before, but yeah, randomly halfway through they introduced vampires into a world that never had vampires and then they just never come up again. - Not gonna lie, I barely remember any of it because I think at that point I kind of just erased it from my mind. I was like, this is so dumb. I don't even wanna like pertain it to memory. I always offhand remember it. Sometimes you just get flashbacks. - You wake up at night sweating. Oh God, there was vampires again. - You wake up and you're just like, whatever happened to those vampires?

What did they disappear to? They were built up as like the big fucking villains or something. And then they just went nowhere with it. - Yeah. - Yeah. I guess that's the problem of when you're like,

serializing a manga every week, I wonder how much of it like is actually planned before and how much of it just feels like falling apart. - Exactly, which is why like the more manga I read, the more I respect something like "One Piece" which can keep coherency this long, you know what I mean? - And it just continually getting more and more epic, right? - And just continually getting better and better.

But I mean, like that's also why I really value when a manga just has a good ending, not even a manga, but just any media in anime, manga or light novels that just has an ending that people are satisfied with. - I don't ask for much, but I do ask for a satisfactory ending.

to a story. - I've just, the more I've been reading manga, my pet peeve is like where it just starts to fall apart in the last 40, 50 chapters. That's been really, that's been happening a lot. - Nothing ruins, I feel, like an experience of going through this entire long journey with these characters that you fall in love with in this world that is interested in you. To come to like,

a limp dick ending, you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah. There are like, I swear to God, I can count the amount of satisfying endings on my hands that I've read in manga. - Right. - Because there is like most of the manga that I love,

are still ongoing, like classics, like "Berserk", "Vagabond", "Vinland Saga", for example. And then there are other things like "Slam Dunk" where you just feel, you know, it just kind of just ended. You know what I mean? It had its, you know- - Well, come on, you can't say that that final chapter of "Slam Dunk"- - Don't spoil it for me, I wanna read it. - Okay, well, essentially, like, I'm not gonna tell you how the story goes 'cause there's a lot to unpack, but basically like "Slam Dunk", I really liked the final chapter of "Slam Dunk" because it was,

kind of like experimental almost because almost- - Another dimension. - No, no. - Where the basketball slammed out you. - No, because what really made that like final chapter famous was the fact that almost the entirety of the final chapter has no dialogue. - Yeah. - Oh, that's cool. - And it's just like, basically he was just like,

let me just show you the story rather than telling you the story. - I don't have the problem with the final chapter. I just felt like- - Like with the wrap up, right? - Yeah, I felt like they could have gone further with the entire story. And I feel like he just kind of ran out of ideas and just kind of just ended it. You know what I mean? But it's not that it wasn't a great final chapter. It was just that I wanted to spend more time with these characters. I feel like there could have been room to spend more time with the characters. - That was me with Hikaru no Go.

- If we're talking about absolute cuckold endings, like Hikaru no Go is a show. No, no, no, not a Go manga. - You know what Go is? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Isn't this one where the ghost teaches him? - Yeah, the one where the ghost teaches him. - It doesn't end well?

- It just ends. - Oh, okay. - Just ends. You know what I mean? It ends in like a really controversial way. - Oh, I see. - Where people were kind of just like, wow, there must've been some like strings behind the scenes that were kind of just like, you're gonna end it this way whether you like it or not kind of thing. Because it's very, very unsatisfactory. - Yeah. - Nobody was happy with that. - Are there any good endings that you can think of off the top of your heads?

- Aside from "Oyasumi Punpun." 'Cause I know you're about to mention "Oyasumi Punpun." - That's the first thing I think of. When I think of the most genius ending, it's "Oyasumi Punpun." - I haven't read many manga compared to Jerry, but I don't know. I'm happy enough if it just doesn't completely fuck itself in the end.

- Yeah. - Honestly, is that how it is to be a manga fan? Like where you're just like, as long as it doesn't completely fuck everything up, I'll be okay. - Even if it's like average, I'm still satisfied with it. - Yeah, exactly. - Because like I just recently finished reading Beastars. The last volume came out like a week ago. Not the strongest ending in my opinion, but it wasn't a complete shit show of an ending. So I was like, you know what? I'm satisfied. - Okay.

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Is the ending of a manga that important? QVSauce music.

- I feel like if an ending of a manga or even an anime is good, that can bring it up from like a decent show to like a fucking master level. - I agree. - Yeah, go on, go on. - I mean, the biggest example I can think of is the clusterfuck that was Code Geass season two. - Yeah, we mentioned that last week. - And yet somehow the like, I will never forget it because of how great the ending was.

Same with something like Cowboy Bebop, for example, as well. - I think the ending matters more in anime than it does in manga. - What do you think is the difference? - I don't know. I think the way that you- - Length. - Length and the way that you experience it. I remember vastly the best bits of a manga more than I do like,

when I look back on manga, I remember it as like an amalgamation of like the whole experience reading it as opposed to episodes and like scenes. And also, yeah, so I just find that when I finish a manga, I rarely ever think about the ending of any of them. I just think about my favorite moments throughout the manga. - Really? I'm the complete opposite actually. - You think about the ending. - I think with manga, I think more about like certain scenes. Whereas with anime, I think about it kind of as a whole. And I think maybe it's because

I binge anime. So I kind of experienced the anime all at once. Whereas with manga, a lot of it because it's rather long. - That's the opposite for me. - A couple of episodes, a couple of volumes. - I binge both. So I guess ending is always important to me. Especially if I felt like I've spent like a lot of time with these characters. Like it doesn't have to be like an amazing ending but what I want is a satisfying ending. But if there's an ending that

is actually amazing and sticks with me, then I'll always remember that manga. - That's true. 'Cause I read all of Vinland Saga, which is amazing, up to the point where it was out like a few months ago. And if I never read it again, I'd probably be happy knowing that I had a good story up to where I got to, which sounds weird 'cause it like literally was in the middle of like a fight. I was like, you know what?

- I've read so much of this that I'm actually satisfied. If I just stop reading this manga, I'll be okay. Like I'm fine. - But I guess that's where the double-edged sword is, right? Is that the longer the manga goes for, the more greater of an ending you expect.

- Almost, I guess so. - Or sometimes you just, 'cause sometimes you've read a mark for so long that you kind of just want it to end. You kind of just, 'cause that was me with Naruto. - So many, so many. - That was me with Naruto, that was me with Bleach. You know what I mean? Where they got to a point when I was just like, I am reading this purely because I've invested so much time in it.

it's the league problem, right? You're just like, I've invested so much time in this that I just need to play it out. - What would you say is the cap then? - You just know, it's like a feeling, right? Like when I was reading "Ice Shield", like when I got to like chapter 250, I'm like, all right, let's wrap it up.

but it had like another hundred left. But I was like, all right, like this felt like it went on long enough. Like it felt like they were adding too many things. And a lot of manga have had that where like what was once a gigantic threat earlier on, even though they haven't changed much in power will suddenly be like, they dispatch it in like one hit. There's so many stuff like that where it's like,

So this really cool fucking enemy you introduce, you start just one-shotting later on. It's like, what's the point of this? Like you're just completely ruining all the stakes over and over again. I hate it. Also some reason, man, some fucking action scenes are like nigh on impossible to figure out what the fuck is going on in manga.

I'm looking at these panels and there's shit going on. And I'm like, I would need to like get my fucking pen and draw along to like try and figure out what the actual choreography is. - Like birds eye view, kind of like lay out what's happening. - I would have more chance having like a battlefield view and you showing me like

like little fucking statues moving. - JoJo fans trying to figure out King Crimson. - King Crimson, yeah, that's the anime. That was literally me, I was like, "What's going on?" - So many at manga, I'm like, I will sit there for a good like 30 seconds staring at this like, "Yeah, I've no fucking idea what it is." - That's the problem I had with like JoJo Leon. 'Cause I'm reading it, I'm like, these stand powers are getting so fucking weird that I'm looking at something and I'm like,

- I guess the stand is doing its power, but I don't know what the fuck it's doing. - Which is odd, 'cause then in action and manga, I start to like not really care about, 'cause half the time you can barely fucking tell what's actually happening. And you're just like putting the dots. I don't know, there's something about watching the fight unfold in like the way it was meant to, in like a timed way with music and noise, it's so much more satisfying. - I don't know, 'cause I feel like that is the problem with a lot of anime fights period, right? Is that they don't actually feel like fights.

they feel like impacts intermittently with dialogue in between. You know what I mean? 'Cause like no one, you see some anime fights and you think no one actually fights like this. You know what I mean? No one throws a punch, says a sentence, then throws a punch back. You know what I mean? That's not how fights work. - Literally every Baki fight.

- Exactly right. - What's a fight without a dialogue? Come on Garnt. - That's why, for example, the fights in God of High School really stood out to me 'cause they actually felt like a martial arts fight. You know what I mean? They say what you want about the story or the whatever, but the way the fights were directed and frames and just choreographed, they felt like actual fights. - It felt like a Jackie Chan fight.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And 'cause that's what immediately stood out to me about that direction and that animation was that, sometimes you get like the narrative episode where you have like the basic normal narrative fights and then you have like this one episode that is just like the studio putting all their budget and their A-team on one fucking fight. And then that is the fight that people remember, you know what I mean? But most anime fights are just,

I mean, they are literally just animated manga panels and you can't tell what's going on in a manga panel with action most of the time. So that's really what sets the good fights from the bad fights. - Sometimes you need that dialogue, right? To help build it up. It's like a good porn, right? Sometimes you need the story to make the fucking worthwhile. - Of course, but I think there's like a limit to how much dialogue you can put in. That's one thing I didn't like about like a lot of Naruto fights is the fact that it's like, I don't need a fucking flashback in the middle of a

I don't need that. - Yeah, I like it when they're like internalizing their thoughts on the battle. That's more interesting to me than fucking me like, ah, you're strong. And it's like, well, obviously that's why you're fucking fighting each other. - Not gonna lie, my least favorite like anime fight trope is like the guy in the sidelines explaining everything while it's happening. - To be fair, that's either hit or miss. - Yeah. - 'Cause the only, like one of the only- - Speedwagon.

- Like it's either speed wagon or it's shit basically. - Pretty much. It's like, I don't know how this person is able to like explain every fucking like physics movement as this guy's doing a fucking one inch punch. It's like,

What is the timeframe? How is that happening? - And then there's like Baki, which is just like you have an e-sports commentator just like explaining every detail and technique and the fucking backstory. - I love that man, that's fucking great, I love it. - That's the thing, right? It's like if it's like Jojo or Baki where it's gotten to the point where it's so unrealistic that it just becomes ridiculous and funny. - Exactly. - I like that. But I hate it when they try and make it as if it's happening in real time.

And it's like, don't kid yourself guys. Like there's no, like you'd have to be fucking like rap God in order to like commentate over that fucking quickly as it's happening. - Yes, sometimes you just hear a piece of dialogue in the time it takes us for like one punch to get thrown. And like a punch is just like a fucking millisecond, right? And they have this five minute dialogue in the middle of their heads in between this punch getting thrown. - It's like a multi-page like exchange, right? It's like, where's the punch? Where's the impact?

- Yeah, go on, sorry. - No, I'm just like, is time dilation just a thing when anime characters get punched or something? Like Einstein's rolling in his grave right now whenever a punch gets thrown, man. - Yeah.

And also how many fucking manga is there where like someone gets fucking stabbed and then like, they're like, but you fell in my trap. And it's like, how many times have you practiced this? Where you've just been like stabbed or punched and this was like part of your plan. Like this is just like too, it happens so fucking often or like sometimes they'll get like a fatal wound

and they'll immediately like heal it. And it's like, what? - Yeah, but then again, right? It's like that kind of goes back into the whole thing of like how ridiculous it is as well. Like Bucky does that so fucking often where it's like, you should be dead after one punch, but you've somehow managed to survive like 10 punches, a stab wound and like three gunshots. And you're still able to like form a dialogue.

- Well, I feel like Baki is just like one side of the extreme where it's so extreme that you can't take it seriously anymore. But I mean, a lot of anime fights and like anime tropes, like anime is just normalized getting punched and coughing up blood. Whereas in real life, you're internally hemorrhaging.

- You're probably gonna die if you internally hemorrhage, let's be honest. - If you cough up blood, bro. - But you're dead, you're just dead. - It's not gonna be good. - If you smash your head through a concrete wall, which is apparently normal in anime, then you've got a fucking concussion, you know? - Or just a splattered head. Like you'll have no head, probably. - Exactly. - I want a realistic like toe stubbing scene in anime. That's what I want, that's what I want to experience.

- Nichijou could have done it. - Yeah, probably. - Toe stubbing is like the closest I get to a real life anime scene, right? - I want someone to just animate someone stubbing their toe and then it's just like immediately like a JoJo's fight. They like cough up blood and they're like,

- I'm pretty sure like, "Bubba, bubba, bubba, bubba, bubba," probably did something like that. - 'Cause like in real life, I don't know what it is about stubbing your toe. Like you stub your toe and it's one of the few injuries you get where you do it and you know the pain is coming, but for some reason there is a pain delay between you stubbing your toe and the immense pain you're about to feel. Like if there was a time for a real life anime flashback

- It's in that delay. It's in that pain delay, man. - Now, if you're an anime character, you would realize that you can synchronize your energy to counter the blow incoming. That's weird. Come on, come on.

- You can stop the nervous system from delivering it to your brain. - Exactly. Yeah, that's the closest you get to a fucking anime injury or whatever. - I wonder, do you guys wanna talk about Attack on Titan? 'Cause Twitter's funny right now. Twitter's funny. - I mean, what is there to talk about? - I didn't realize how much for fucking clown fiesta Twitter is about Attack on Titan. How is...

- How have people turned this into a thing to dislike? I don't understand. - I knew there was something wrong when I woke up in the morning and went onto Twitter. - Thank you Mappa, right? - Yes, hashtag thank you Mappa was trending. I was like, oh no, what the fuck are these clowns doing now? - It's like every time Attack on Titan airs, you go on Twitter and something about Attack on Titan is trending. - Yeah, so the time of recording is episode six?

- Yeah. - And basically the most recent thing that happened was,

- What was it? People on Twitter were just attacking the staff members. They were- - What's wrong with you? - I think what I read was some people were just harassing the director for one of the music choices that was made in one of the big scenes. And it got so bad that he had to deactivate his Twitter. - He did? - Yeah. - And a bunch of animators as well getting harassed. - I'm literally watching this thing like, this is fucking amazing. Why are people getting angry? Like, what was wrong with the song?

- Who the fuck knows? - Maybe it's like, I'm fucking losing words because it's so fucking stupid and dumb. - If you do that, you don't deserve anime. I'm just saying right now, like you just don't deserve anime. - You ain't a real anime fan. - You're not a real anime fan if you do that. - What blows my mind is that like at the end of the day, a lot of these people, right? We're just anime fans. Why on earth

- Do you think you have the right to then just go to like the director or whatever and be like, I fucking hate you. - The fucking audacity to be like, you try and make an anime and see how you, if you can make a fucking good, like, you know what I want to do is like, I just want to like kind of,

- 'Cause I think one of the things I saw yesterday was people were complaining about one of the Titans being like really bad CGI or whatever. - I'm watching this thing, right? And the CGI is honestly like barely noticeable. It's really like not even remotely like bad. - I just wanna like go up to all those people complaining about the CGI and like link them to any scene from like "Berserk" 2016. Like this is what bad CGI looks like. - These are the same people who will fucking take the clip, right? And then run it through fucking Sony Vegas, call it 4K and re-upload it and be like, this is a 4K fight scene, guys.

- That's my least favorite thing. - It's absolutely absurd. - 60 FPS, 4K fight scene. - Which is like the dumbest fucking show. - Let's go baby. - The description is like, I fixed this fight.

- Dumbest fucking thing. You cannot tell it. - Don't do that. - I mean, I was excited to do that saying something like, "Fucking ass, Attack on Titan really do be carrying 2021." Obviously not being 100% serious about that. I'm not literally sitting there being like, "My 2021 would be ruined if Attack on Titan wasn't airing."

Like there's some, my God, the arguments that fucking arose in those comments. - I made like an "Attack on Titan" tweet, immediately muted it. I was just like, I've done this enough times before to know that,

saying anything about Attack on Titan, whether positive or negative, you just set up a minefield. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? - It's like, I tweeted it, I came back four hours later and then, as I'm, 'cause you've refreshed your Twitter, you see the most recent reply. And it was something about like Japanese whaling laws that they were arguing about. And then I clicked on it. - Excuse me? - Yeah.

I click on this thing and it goes up like 50 replies back and forth, these two people going at it because one of them said that like Re:Zero season two was gonna be better and they somehow devolved into like an attack on Japan. And I was like, what the fuck is happening? - Do these people have like anything else to do? - I just don't understand how people can be angry about like a great thing.

Even if there's CGI in it that is barely noticeable, what's wrong? It's getting adapted and it looks good. We're getting what we want. I don't understand why people are being so pathetic. - I feel like this is coming from the perspective of a lot of, let's say more like,

entitled manga readers, right? 'Cause you can be disappointed in some ways of an anime adaptation because there are some times when you read a manga and you have an imagination about how this manga is gonna play out if it was animated. And with something like Attack on Titan where the bar by studio wit was set so fucking high, right?

that you go to MAPPA, which I still think MAPPA is doing a fucking fantastic job. - We've had bangers so far. - We've had fucking bangers. - Absolutely. - And what I will say is like, it's like the tiniest of nitpicks, right? Where I would say that it's gone from like a 10 out of 10 adaptation to like a nine out of 10 adaptation.

- That's the thing, right? It's a very slight step down from wit. It's not bad by any step. It's just a very slight step down. It's like the- - People are taking that as if it went from like a 10 to a one. - Yeah, yeah, exactly, right? And the thing is it's a nine out of 10 adaptation for 10 out of 10 material. You're still getting a fucking banger. So I don't fucking get it. - It's not "Seven Deadly Sins" season three. So I really do not understand the problem here. And like-

- You know, these are the people who are getting this nitpicky on Twitter and those manga readers are just the exact same kind of people who are just like when their kid's born, if their kid fucks up anything, they're like, "Well, it's ruined. It's fucked." - Yeah. - You know, all my expectations for the fucked, you know? I mean, it's ruined, what can I say? - They're just like, "This isn't like what was in the manga." - They're basing it off their own life. If the child fucks up, they're like, "Well, fuck, it didn't stick to the- - They're like looking at the ultrasound, they're seeing the baby born. It's like, "Well, that's not a good adaptation, is it?"

- You're telling me it's not gonna be six foot. Honestly, just put it back in. - This is exactly, this isn't the same. - Come on. - That's the go-go completely on a tangent. That's how I completely feel about gender reveal parties. I don't understand the point of gender reveal parties. - I've seen so many fucking like absurd gender reveal party clips on like TikTok and stuff like that where I'm just like, this is just hilarious now. Did you see the one where it's like, fuck, what was it? It was like,

- There was like a balloon, like a giant fucking balloon. Like, you know, maybe like six- - This is the weirdest fucking tangent we've ever done. - No, because what I was thinking was like, no, I was just gonna say like, there's just like a giant, like six, seven foot balloon that this guy carries.

And he's just like, all right, I'm gonna pop it. And it just explodes into this like colored like powder that just completely fills up the backyard. - No, 'cause what I'm thinking, right, is okay, the point of gender reveal party is to reveal the gender of the baby, right? And celebrate that. But like, at which point does like a gender get revealed and the father's just like, oh, it's a girl? - No! - Oh, Karen, Karen.

get the coat hanger, we're doing it again. Like what kind of reaction do you expect the father and the mother to have? You know what I mean? - It's like what human, most normal people will be like, whether it's a guy or a girl, the reaction's gonna be the same. You're gonna have a kid. - I just think that we celebrate too many things. You know, I think we have enough things to celebrate. - How hard is it to just say it's a boy?

- Like how hard is it? - Is like having the kid's birthday like not enough? Like can we not just, like I don't, like to me I legitimately don't understand like we have so many things to celebrate. It's fucking exhausting. Who's planning all this shit? Like who has this much free time? Honestly.

I barely can like get Christmas plans together on my own birthday. Like who has this? Is it the woman? She's pregnant. Shouldn't she be focused on that? Like, I don't get it. - I wonder if there's like self-fulfilling prophecy of like some people working in retail in America when a person comes in being like, give me all of your blue dye. I need as much blue dye as possible. And they're like, oh God, another one of these, all right. But yeah, back to "Attack on Titan."

- That was a weird transition. - That was a weird tangent. Bottom line, stop fucking complaining about "Attack on Titan." It's good. It's fine. - I just feel like it's like, 'cause you know, I think there's a bunch of edgy people out there who are just like, I don't wanna admit that "Attack on Titan" is the best thing right now. I don't wanna give it more clout than it deserves.

And you see these fucking God awful takes on Twitter being like, yeah, it was boring, dropped it right away. It's like, who cares? Just let the people who are enjoying it fucking enjoy it. It's good. Stop shitting on it. - That's the thing. It's like, you can have an opinion about it, right? Like if you think it's shit, it's shit, whatever. Don't fucking harass the animators over it.

- Yeah, it's the same thing with like when Game of Thrones is like around. People just wanted to be that person who's like, "Yeah, I don't like Game of Thrones." Yeah, whatever, it sucks. - Cool. - Are you happy about it? Fuck, that's lame, bro. I'm not excited about it. I'm not excited about anything, bro, except for gender reveal party. - Fuck the system. - Yeah, the only thing I get excited for is my baby's gender. You know what I mean? I don't know, yeah. And for some reason, I mean, it does happen in other genres as well, but for some reason, who are these people

I don't even know the fucking ads of these creators that are on Twitter. How are they finding this shit? Why are they finding this shit just to fucking add them and tell them it's shit? - Right, as if like one of the animators is gonna be like, "Oh, thanks for your feedback. We'll change it immediately." - Yeah, like they go to their annual meeting like, "Yo guys, you're seeing this. People don't like it.

"What the fuck?" - Yeah, so like Mikasa276 on Twitter said that we should just completely change the episode. Just change studios. Like what director is gonna be like, "All right, fam, I got you." - I mean, it kind of sucks that in the time where the Japanese industry and Japanese staff members are starting to, you know,

- We want them to open up. - Yeah, to open up more to the international community. This is the shit they have to deal with for some of like the biggest profile adaptations. - I kinda wanna just go up to them and be like, "Don't open up." It's not worth it. - Don't go this way. - I do think there's a good amount of people who are probably selling hate who probably don't want it to open up. So then I think it's the same thing with like the idol and like kind of almost like the whole live fan base a little bit where they're like, "We don't want our,

our people to interact outside, ruin them. - We don't want the normies coming in. - Yeah, we don't want like the American corporations getting their fingers in our Japanese like anime. You know what I mean? There's a lot of people who are like that, right? - As if they're Japanese themselves. - Yeah, I mean, a lot of the time it does come from a place of, you know,

- Non-Japanese. - Yeah, we like our country. - I get it if they were Japanese, but most, if not all are not. - It's like in your video when you did the anime studio tour and like the guy who was the director of the studio was like, "Oh, we have foreign fans?" - Yeah, he like genuinely, yeah, so the CEO of Cloverworks genuinely didn't know that they had fans. - I mean, a lot of people don't know that they had- - Could they blame him if he goes on Twitter? Fucking, people gotta tell him to kill himself.

I would be like, no, they don't exist. - No, they don't. - Honestly, it's embarrassing. - I'm just saying you do to make you feel better. - I mean, I suppose if you think about it, it's the same mentality of like, for example, if we found out that Trash Tate has, or something had Japanese fans, you know what I mean? It's just like, oh, there's people in Japan who watch us. - We have Russian fans? - We have a Russian dub? What's going on here?

- Get emails every week being like, "You guys know you have like a Russian duck." - Yeah. - We know, we spoke about it. - Yeah, we get it. - Would you say that "Attack on Titan" is carrying your 2021? - So far, yeah, dude. Every episode I'm getting fucking hyped for. - I think people should just be appreciative of the fact that we're even fucking getting "Attack on Titan."

Like in the midst of a fucking pandemic. - Yeah, I mean, the fact is that "Attack on Titan", it could be carrying any year because I don't think that anything can live up to what "Attack on Titan" season four is giving us right now. And I say this in the midst of what I would- - One of the strongest seasons we've ever had. - I would argue that this is a contender for one of the strongest seasons in the history of anime.

- Yeah. - And that is a big statement, but like it's so stacked in every single genre and every single kind of genre

every single category you can think of that I can't think of a single person who can't find at least two or three shows that they'll be watching this season. And then on top of that, you have the classic being made. That is Attack on Titan. - You know, if I was an anime studio and I found out when Attack on Titan was airing, I'd be like, you know what, just fucking hold on. Just like, don't, don't. - Let's wait. - Like on YouTube, you know, if you upload a video where like Shane Dawson dropped a documentary, it was like, just don't, just don't.

- It's like movie companies being like, wait, "Avengers" is in cinemas right now. - You wouldn't release it at the same time as "Avengers" 'cause you're like, no one's gonna watch it. I would have been like, just hold off because "Attack on Titan" is gonna carry, even if I only get to watch it once a week, it's gonna be in my mind

the whole week. So like, just hold off and give me a banger next season. But now they all, everyone was like, let's all come out right now. - Let's all have all our bangers right now in this one season. 'Cause like the amount of like, we've had a few seasons previously with some season twos here and there, but it seems like every season two or like sequel this season is a fucking banger. - Yeah, because like his,

- Beastars is airing right now, right? - Okay, so- - I do not know any, no one is talking about it. Because Attack on Titan is the only thing anyone gives a shit about right now. - That upsets me. - Okay, okay, so we got Beastars 2. - Which is gonna be amazing. - We got Promised Neverland. - Which no one is talking about. - Do you remember when Promised Neverland came out?

- It was all anyone spoke about. - Yeah. We got "Log Horizon 3", "Quince 2", "Quintessential Quintuplets 2". We got "Doctor Stone 2". - I sleep. - Huh? - I sleep. I sleep. Attack on Titan season two, I woke. - I woke. - Basically, I mean like it's,

- How can you not man? Like every episode is just like a fucking like roller coaster. And like for a lot of people we've been on this for like five plus years, this journey, right? - And it's one of the few ones where it feels like it's run its natural course. - It's playing, it's paying off. - It's actually coming to an end, you know what I mean? And you know, I said in a tweet that I feel like this is a, we're watching a classic being made

And I have no doubts that even if he doesn't completely slam dunk the ending, even if it's just an okay satisfying ending, it's gonna go down in history. - As long as it's not like the crumbiest fucking ending imaginable. - Wait for it, multiverse. I'm predicting multiverse. - Which I would like to think is not going to happen. - Completely forgot, Re: Zero Two is airing this season. - Oh yeah, true. - Again, you just can't come

- No one's talking about it. - No one's talking about anything. And I'm just like, there's so many fucking bangers this season and like Attack on Titan is just taking over. - Like I'm sure, 'cause I remember I was watching the last season of Breaking Bad as it was airing, week by week. I'm sure I watched other TV shows during that time. I cannot tell you what I watched other than fucking Breaking Bad. - Yeah, true, true. - Like it was like the highlight, right?

Like it's what it takes up your space and your hype for like, it's gonna be 26 episodes, right? - No, it's gonna be 14. - It's 14? - Yeah. So right now from what I've heard, like this is me going off of whatever- - Speculation warning. - Manga readers. So it's gonna be 14 episodes, I think 14 or 15, which doesn't take it up to the end of the manga 'cause the end of the manga ends in April or something.

- Yeah, I heard that. - April or May, I can't remember, but it's confirmed that the manga is going to be ending this late spring summer kind of time. - I thought they were trying to do like a dual ending where it was gonna be, they both were like ending at the same time. - I thought, oh, like an anime original ending. - No, no, no, no, no. - He was probably gonna, I thought maybe he was gonna like tell them the studio the ending

- No, so with the confirmed amount of episodes that's out so far, what people are thinking is gonna happen is either we're gonna get a season four part two or we are going to get a movie. - I'm speculating it's gonna be a movie. - I think a movie is going to be more likely. - Look how fucking successful Demon Slayer is. - I know, I know. - They're gonna see that and they probably saw that and was like, "We can do that with the last attack on Titan."

- Just saying. - Honestly, like if- - I'm gonna have to speed run the hunger real quick. - I'm going to be like, Joey, Joey, what's he saying? - To fucking type it out. - Joey, please live translate for me, come on.

- Yeah, 'cause- - I'll hire a professional like, you know the ones with the governments when they go to the like meetings, I'll hire them to get in the seat behind me in the theater. - All I'm gonna say is like personal reasons, I hope it's gonna be a movie just so I could be the first one to make a video on it.

- I'm gonna go to the midnight screening and I'm gonna make a video and be like, yeah guys, it was epic. - I would not do that. - I'm kidding, I'm joking. - I would not ruin possibly one of the greatest anime to go down in history by just what YouTube clicked. - I'd be like, so hey guys, I think I know what happened.

I watched it all three times. I think I got the gist of what's going on. - That was me with "Made in Abyss." - Yeah, we watched it together. - What the fuck is the movie called? - No, I legit, okay. - "Dawn in Deep Soul" or whatever. - Yeah, we watched the "Made in Abyss" movie with like, obviously there's no subtitles. I'm like, I'm pretty sure I understood what happened. I'm pretty happy. I'm pretty sure I got it. - I got the gist. - It was like plot, plot, questionable child porn, plot. And then I get the .

And I was just like, oh, Kevin, you did a good job. 'Cause Kevin was sitting right next to us. - I was like, damn, this song's good, man. - It's like going to hall, questionable child horn. Music good. Basically, but yeah, like everyone said the "Made in Abyss" movie was amazing. And I'm just like, yeah, I had a good time. - I still haven't seen it. - Honestly, it's fine.

- Well, I mean, I'm not gonna take your word for it. - Listen, as a man who understood half of what was being said, it was fine. - This episode of Trash Taste is sponsored by G Fuel. - What flavor are you drinking, Garnt? - I am drinking star fruit flavor right now. - I'm drinking pink lemonade. - Wow, and I'm drinking FaZe Berry. - If you want your own G Fuel, you can use code TRASHTASTE to get 30% off G Fuel. - Thanks, G Fuel. - Links in the description. Back to the episode. - Can we talk about the real masterpiece airing this season though?

- Joey knows what I'm talking about. - It was really funny 'cause I was just about to bring it up.

- So forget this attack on Titan slander, or like whatever we're gonna call the classic. The real classic that's coming out this season is an anime called X-Arm. - So I'm a complete newb. Now I have seen clips of it, but can you please explain to me what X-Arm is in its totalness? - It is hilarious. - It is an experience, I will say that. So I think we have literally got

the mass effect Andromeda releases of anime. You know what I mean? - The cyberpunk finish. - So this is, I didn't know anime could have bugs and glitches. That's all I'm gonna say.

- So it is a Crunchyroll original, right? And you know that Crunchyroll are proud of this because I have not seen a single piece of promotional work about this at all. - I saw the trailer on YouTube and I thought it was a joke. - And the show looks,

- Worse than that. - No. - It looks worse than that. - I hate to say to you, but the trailer is probably the best part about the show. - Yeah, the trailer isn't a trailer. The trailer is the anime OP. - But that probably makes it good, doesn't it? That it's so bad. - Oh, dude, I was crying in laughter the first episode. - It is like, I think the third lowest anime on Mal right now. - After one episode. - After one episode. - Yeah, but you're laughing, so I heard. - Yeah, I mean,

- It's a masterpiece of trash basically. - It's no masterpiece. - It's like the first time I watched like "Gazi's Wing", right? Or like, you know, "Hell to Heaven". I was like, this is, I'm watching a masterpiece but on the opposite end of the- - So to explain next up, it is a Crunchyroll original anime that is made by a completely new studio by a team who's never worked in anime before. - American?

- No, Japanese team. - But they've never worked in anime before and it shows. It shows that they've never worked in anime before and it is a 3D anime that looks like it was made by a five-year-old who just learned blender like yesterday. - Oh no, oh God. - It makes "Ruby" season one look like an absolute masterpiece. - I was gonna watch it but I just wanted to get like drunk enough.

- Yeah. - Just to like fully enjoy it. - It makes "Berserk 2016" look like Akira, you know what I mean? - Yeah, it's pretty bad. - It is. - And what's worse is that like, I posted the clip of it on Twitter, but like there's a scene right near the beginning where the main character is 3D, but his brother is in 2D.

- What? - So you have this truly awful fucking CG, like blocky Minecraft character standing next to this 2D anime character. - What? - In the same scene? - In the same shot. And he literally looks green screened on. You know what I mean? It looks like someone just had learned the chroma key. - He's like to his boss, "Yo, you heard of this thing called a chroma key?" - Yeah, exactly. - This is nuts.

- You can see it on screen right now. - Oh my God. Oh my God, that's awful. - It's like in the same scene.

- You know what that is? That's like, that looks like if you told me that was, what's that game where everyone can have their own avatars in the game. It looks like the second life, whatever it's called. It looks like if like, you know how like someone, people have their own servers and they like 2D things and they have like the 3D models. That's what it looks like. - You know what that looks like? That looks like someone took like a regular anime and made like an MMD edit of it. - I can see it. - 'Cause it is like that quality. Actually, MMD is a better anime.

- There's some pretty damn good MMDs out there. That'd be hitting on my MMD. - And then like, if that wasn't already bad, there was just like some of the fight choreography is just hilarious. Like this is one fight scene. I think like it's like the last fight scene of the first episode where there was just no music. It's like they forgot to put in the music. It's just like,

like that, but there's no music whatsoever. So it's just, I was watching it and I was just like, is there something wrong with my headphones? Like why is there no music playing? I remember like in the last part they run out or something and it's literally a guy who looks like, it literally looks like the characters are like being animated with a stick or something like that. There's literally no, like they're not moving their limbs or something. They're just like rocking from side to side. - So are we talking that like,

that like Queen Bee would put them to shame. - Oh, I wish this was animated by Queen. - Oh dude, it makes Queen Bee look like studio wit. It's fucking horrible, yeah. But it's also just a really fun time. Like I had a lot of fun watching the first episode. - See what I mean? I wanna get some drinks and just enjoy it, you know? - Oh, we need to, it's so funny. - This would be like even better if it had like kind of like a ghost stories dub.

Someone needs to dub Ex-Arm. - Oh my God. - Like Crunchyroll, please don't be ashamed of Ex-Arm. You are sitting on a golden duck here. Just market it correctly and people will meme the shit out of this. - Hey, give us the rights to dub and we'll dub it. - We'll fucking dub it. We'll fucking make an amazing dub of it. You know what I mean? - Can't wait to direct those sessions.

- And like the opening song as well. Just what? - Is that the one that sounds like Sum 41? - Yeah, it sounds like a Sum 41 cover band. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I heard that was the one they used for the trailer, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is just the anime OP. - Yeah, Dida sent me it. He was like, "What the fuck is this?" - It's like some 2002 shit. - Yeah, what the fuck? What is this? God damn. - It's like a high school band that listened to too much Green Day. You know what I mean?

- It does sound like a cover band, doesn't it? Oh my God. That is perfect. - Why is no one talking about that? I don't know. - You have Attack on Titan season four, but who gives a shit about that? - Who greenlit that? Like, I know, sorry. Like who let that through like quality assurance? Like who let that through? - What quality assurance? - You know what I'm saying? Like there's normally people who are like, yeah, this is good to go. Who dead ass watched that first episode was like, yeah, it's good.

- I wonder though if someone at like the production team was like, I feel like we're forgetting something. QA, oh shit. - You know how sometimes when like people like make shows but it's just one big like tax fraud scheme. What if it's like, I shouldn't say that, I could get in trouble. It's definitely not, I'm just joking. - For legal reasons this is a joke. - That's a joke, that's a joke. You know, just saying. - Oh my God.

- But like, I wonder what the people working on it think of this. You know what I mean? 'Cause you know, sometimes you work on a project that you're not proud about. - They must know. - You know what I mean? 'Cause people wanna get paid Garnt. - Yeah, I know. - At the end of the day, they're like, I mean, I gotta just keep turning up and doing what they ask, right? That's what I imagine is happening, I don't know. - I just like to imagine that like the anime's came back to the producer and was like, yeah, the models look great.

- Well, it depends. - So like put some shading on it, put a little more animation on it. The producer's late, so it's coming out tomorrow. - I just wanna know because you know in any like anime production or any big project production, you have this screening night, right? Where you as a group, as the team, you get to watch the final product before it airs.

I just wanna hear the silence in that room when the credits roll and you just, what can you say? - Here's the thing, psych, in Japan, it's always silent regardless. That's why. See, in America and the West, we have clapping, right? - I just like to think that the entire screening room is just silently nodding their head and they're like, "Hell yeah." - Everyone knows every Japanese man's just waiting for the Isekai anyway. Come on.

- I just want a beer man. - They're gonna get a free meal at the end of the screening and free drinks, so it doesn't matter. Like they're turning up to the screen. I turn up to the screening if I get free meal at the end of it. - Listen man, like as someone who's like, you know, done a documentary in an anime studio, I completely sympathize. - Wow, wow, look at that flag. As someone, get out of here. - It's hard, I get it, it's hard. But also,

- Come on. It's hard, but come on, man. - It's hard. We're not blaming the probably overworked staff or whatever. - Not at all. I'm not blaming anyone for it. If anything, I'd like to thank them for giving us some quality entertainment, honestly. - It is honestly quality entertainment. I watched episode two and it is also a banger. - I still need to. - It's just coming out with bangers after banger. - Fuck the next "The Tarantine" episode, man. Ex-Arm episode two is what I'm looking forward to.

- Are you guys watching anything else this season or are you guys waiting to see what gets hype and what gets talked about? - I want to watch, what the fuck's called, "Wonder Egg Priority"? - That is "Wonder Egg Priority". - Yeah, weirdest fucking title, but I watched the trailer of it because I heard so many people, a lot of people were asking me like, "Hey, have you seen the first episode?" And I was like, "That doesn't even sound like a real anime."

- One direct, you know, like one direct priority. That sounds made up. But then I checked out the trailer. I was like, actually, this kind of looks fire. - Yeah, it's too early to tell how it's gonna go because I've watched the first episode. - What is it about?

It's one of those shows where I'm just like, I don't even know what it's about. You know what I mean? It's one of those weird shows. - I'll wait, I'll wait. I'll wait till it finishes. - I asked people, I was like, what's it about? And people just said, just watch it. - It feels like an Ikuhara show or something like that. - It does. - Like Sarah Zanmai or something like that. I'm just throwing out words that Connor just doesn't understand right now. - Bro, you could be speaking in tongues right now. I don't know what the fuck you're saying. - It gives me like a slight like "Tatami Galaxy" vibe to it. You know, like kind of just like, it's like,

so strange that it's hard to describe kind of vibe to it. - What I will say, it feels like Madoka Magica directed by Ikuhara. - What the fuck are you guys talking about? - So Ikuhara is the director that made Sarazanmai, Mara Penguin Drum.

What else has he made? - What else has Ikuhara made? - What's that magical girl one? - It doesn't matter. - It doesn't matter. You've not seen any of his works, right? But he makes a lot of weird stuff and I watched the first episode and it's what I will say, I can't really support with it because I don't even understand the first episode. You know what I mean? But it's a story that it presents the events of this world out of order, right? So you get,

- Oh my God, I'm like racking my brain to figure out how I can describe this show. - It's kind of presents its story like a "Boogie Pop Phantom" kind of thing. - Yes, it is very reminiscent of "Boogie Pop Phantom." - I just realized like if you have no context of what you're talking about, it actually just sounds like you guys are talking about gibberish. - What's the weirdest anime you've watched Connor? - I don't fucking know.

- Like a lot of the, when people are like, dude, you gotta watch this anime, it's so cool. - It's kind of like on the same vein as Serial Experiments Lane, Boogie Pop Phantom. I feel like you just haven't watched any of those types of shows. - Sometimes you put those shows on, you're like, there's no way you could enjoy this without doing like four tabs of acid. You know what I mean? Like a lot of shows are like that and then like, it's amazing. - I mean, maybe with Serial Experiments Lane, but I'd argue that like something like Boogie Pop Phantom is,

- I don't really concern myself. - Yeah, I mean, it's something where you have to be in a very specific mood to enjoy it because it's not something you can just put on and just enjoy it as an entertainment as like a coherent story or something. But what I will say is out of, because for my seasonal video, I watched every, the first two episodes of like every new anime and out of everything I watched, it's the one where I watched it, didn't know what was going on, didn't fully understand it, but

it stuck with me. It was really the one where I kept thinking about it after it had ended, after I'd watched everything else. I was just like, man, I don't know what it is, but I keep thinking about "One Direct Priority" and I don't know what it is exactly about "One Direct Priority" that makes me,

but there's something, I feel something special. - No, I get that. I kind of got that same feeling the first time I watched like the first episode of like "Foolie Cooly." It's like, I don't know what the fuck is happening. Like this dude's forehead, the robot just came out of it. - Sometimes. - I can give you a play by play of what happens in "Wonder Egg." So this girl, there's this like short hooded, like she wears like a yellow hoodie girl. - I don't need that much detail.

- The first scene is that a fucking cicada comes along and starts talking to her and you're like, okay, whatever. Cool, she can talk to cicadas. And then she gets given an egg and then she wonders what to do with this egg. And then she's sitting on the toilet and then toilet paper starts talking to her and she's like, yo, what the fuck? And then the egg hatches and it turns out that it's a girl hatches out the egg.

- I think I'll just watch. I don't want to spoil too much, but that sounds fun. I mean, if the weeks go on and everyone's still like, yeah, it's a good show, I'll watch it. - I mean, from what I can understand about the first episode, it deals with a lot of themes of depression and suicide. And it seems like we get glimpses into a backstory because we get glimpses into, is it a good story?

is this a dream world or is this the imagining things or what's kind of going on? We only get hints at everything. - I feel like, again, it's kind of like a modern spin on "Foley Coley", right? 'Cause like "Foley Coley" is kind of the same where it's like, it kind of used it's like absurd imagery to present deeper meanings. - Yeah, like I said, it's way too early to tell what the show is going to be about and how good it is. But like I said, out of everything I watch, it stuck out to me the most. - Yeah, that's why I really wanna watch it. - That's the one I thought about the most.

But I don't know if you would enjoy- - What is the weirdest anime you've seen? - I don't fucking know. I think you'd have to go through my list, but then I was pretty- - We did that last week already. - I was pretty someone there that I haven't watched. - Like have you ever watched

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I was like, oh, that's how they're gonna end it. And like, you know, some people love finding the deeper meaning in that. And I'm just like, that was a bit shit. I'm just gonna get on with my life. Like it kind of, it doesn't really concern me. I just, I wish I cared, but I like, I don't. And then like maybe a video would be my recommendation. - That convenient monkey activation. - Yeah. I think I've like programmed my brain to like just make my life easier. So like when I want to just, you know, stuff like that, that might drive some people mad, I'm just like monkey forget.

- Monkey moves on. - I just find it funny how like considering like in a previous episode, you said like how you love to challenge yourself every day. You definitely do not like to challenge yourself on anime. - But like what is thinking about the end of Evangelion challenging you in any way? How is that?

- Well, not necessarily in a vaver, but like, you know, something like, you know, like a fully coolie or like a tech con king Cree where it's like, there are deeper meanings behind. - Why would that be a challenge? - Okay, here's the thing where you watch it once and you can't get everything you, you can't enjoy it fully from just like watching it once. - Yeah, but like, why would that challenge you though? - It's all in challenge as in like, it makes you think about its themings more and kind of challenges your, I guess like perception of how you,

I guess it's hard to describe. Like it challenges, fuck. - How do you explain it? - I broke them. Like when I watch those things where it's like the deeper meaning everything, more often than not, like I realized that that's what they're doing and I'm like, oh, okay, cool. And then I'll just, I'll like go on Google and I'll be like, what were they trying to say? - But like, don't you like, 'cause I find like some enjoyment in kind of watching it and trying to figure it out myself.

You know what I mean? - Sometimes. - I got a good way to describe it. It's like unraveling a puzzle by yourself. And it's like playing a puzzle game, right? You're given the pieces and you're not told what the right answer is, but it's up to you and it's up to you to unravel it yourself.

Or it's more like you've given a bunch of pieces and as you're playing around with the pieces, you realize that it's a puzzle that can be solved. - I guess this is like, I love math, right? Because there is a problem and it is always very clearly defined as such, right? - Okay. - Yeah, it's not logical. - With stories and all that kind of stuff,

I don't like that I have to figure out what this guy was thinking about. Like sometimes I might get a meaning that is not even remotely close to what he was thinking or the author was thinking when they were writing the thing down. And to me, that bothers me that I can just,

wildly get the answer wrong and I'll never be corrected. I don't like that. - But you assume that there's a right answer. - Well, it's- - What if you didn't know there was a right answer? - And that's the problem is that I don't like that when there's an interpretation and it's like, you just make up what you want and then it's like, then what? What do I get out of that? - But I would argue that a great story can,

still entertain you in that aspect, whether it is the actual correct answer or not. - Yeah, I mean, I don't really go around, like think about it much. I guess that's the thing. I just, I watch it and I like whatever thoughts I have when I finish, I'm like, cool, that's what I'm gonna leave with. And most of the time I don't really care to try and find the deeper meaning in it.

I think again, I know this is like, that's such monkey brain. You can't appreciate fine art, et cetera, et cetera. - I get it. - That's even more normal. - Yeah, at the end of the day, I just don't care. - I think people like me who like actually like trying to find the deeper meaning, I think we're the minority.

- Yeah, I think I'm the minority here because I talk about, the reason I value this so much is because there has been time where like a piece of media has literally affected sometimes the way I think or the way I view life. So because I know it can have that effect,

I try to search it out whenever I can. - Whenever I find that there might be even a glimpse that there might be a deeper meaning, I love going into it. - I know, I just like everything to be efficient. I like everything to be...

- You basically like everything on a silver platter, right? - No, no, not at all. I like it when things are very clearly defined, the rules, like this is why I like, I always, like I never ever did any artistic subjects in school. I don't like how it's all like a mess and it's totally interpretation. I like how in math and physics and life, the rules, they make sense and you can like,

take them in and you can like, oh, okay. - I mean, no, I get like, you know, math and physics were my favorite too, but- - For me, it's not fun when I'm like reading a book or something and I'm doing this and I'm just being presented with a bunch of nonsense that I have to make sense of myself. - Well, I would argue then that if it's a bunch of nonsense without an interpretation, then that's just a bad story. - Sometimes, yeah. I mean, sometimes you can make your own thoughts up from whatever's being presented to you and you're just kind of like, cool.

- All right, nice. I came up with what I think happened and then it's like, all right, well, that's what I think. - Yeah, 'cause like I would argue that like the best stories are the ones where you can read it. Like someone like you can read it where like you don't have to even think about the fact that there might possibly be a deeper meaning and it's still enjoyable. And at the same time, people like me that like to look for deeper meanings can also enjoy it. - Yeah, like not to get too philosophical, but you know,

Why do we watch entertainment? It's to feel things. It's to make- - Vsauce music. - That's the end will be all, right? We watch entertainment to make us feel something, whatever you wanna feel, whether it's like fucking adrenaline, sometimes you just wanna feel depressed or whatever, you know, and,

watching something like for example, the ending episode of the Evangelion, I remember the first time I watched it, I fucking hated it. 'Cause I'm just like, why can I not just be given the answer? Why is the answer not just being presented to me on like a golden platter? That's what I wanted. And then as I grew older and I,

it stuck with me and I've rewatched it. And I'm just like, oh, this is making me feel different things. - I'm sure in future maybe I'll change my mind on it. But right now for me, like entertainment and media, it's just like, I just wanna relax and thinking is not relaxing. I just wanna get on with it 'cause I'm working so goddamn much and I just wanna do the things I wanna do. And to me, entertainment is purely like a gas stop.

on my destination. It's like, let's just stop for a moment and have some fun. And then I'll get that. - I mean, I get that too. Like it's not like every fucking piece of it. I mean, I watch this like mind bending. - It's like I said, sometimes you just need to be in a very specific mood to enjoy this piece of media. - Sometimes I'm just like, you know what? I want to feel pretentious right now. Like I kind of want to like figure out if this has a deep

- Which is why when I speak to people who talk like that about the media they like, I'm like, you know, part of me is envious 'cause I don't care for that. And I think a lot of people are envious of that. 'Cause I think when you meet a lot of people, they'll claim that they can see the finer meaning in art and all that. And most of the time they have no fucking idea. But you know,

I don't know. I'm just completely open with the fact that I'm like, I don't care. I don't care to care. And I like what I like. - What I don't understand is the other extreme where it's people who can't seem to enjoy media unless there is something deeper about it. Like I, there are times when I just want to watch a fucking shitty Easter car and just not have to think, you know what I mean? - Yeah, I know. It's like the people who like think that every single piece of entertainment or media has some kind of deeper meaning under it. You know what I mean? It's like, no.

- Anime reviewer, Non Non Biori has no deeper meaning. It's just a fucking slice of life. Like just chill. - That feels like privilege the problem. It's like my only problem in life is that my media that I consume doesn't have enough- - It's meaningless. - It's like, oh my, how privileged are you to be where that's a concern? You know what I mean?

- First world problem. - That is like the biggest first world problem. Where like you can't get enough fine art that excites you. You know what I mean? That's like literally like billionaire problem. - What pisses me off even more is like, you can have your own interpretation of the media, right?

That's very normal for everything. But what pisses me off is when people project their own meaning onto this piece of media. - Yeah, I mean that happens so much. - I remember with "Attack on Titan" when the basement thing happened and then there were articles to be like, "Oh yeah, this is promoting Nazism and stuff like that." And I'm just like, "Oh." - It's not. - Oh God. - It gets to a point where there's a difference between,

and you know, interpreting it in your own way. And just there's- - Even when they know the right answer as well, right? It's just like, no, no, I don't care what the author said. This is what it actually means. He just doesn't know it yet. It's like, no, I'm pretty sure if the author said that this is what it means, that's what it fucking means. - Well, I mean, there's plenty of cases of where like the author loses control over the work. - Well, I mean, isn't that like the whole thing with Ava, right? Where like- - Pepe the frog rip. - The death of the author, right? Or whatever. - So your boy's been up to anything interesting recently?

- I mean, we're currently back in lockdown, aren't we? So we haven't really been able to do much. - Not really, Japanese government's pretty useless. - Well, I mean, yeah, but- - They said emergency statement, restaurants please close at eight. So you can still travel and do whatever you want, but you know- - It's not an enforced lockdown in Japan. It's always a suggestion. - Yeah, it's just, it's a suggestion in Japan. - And people listen.

- Yeah, that was fucking crazy. I think like, where was it? It was like, it was 'cause usually after we finished recording a podcast, we go and have dinner and stuff like that. And I think we were at like one of the restaurants nearby and they were playing like news footage and Shinjuku. - Shinjuku was empty. - Yes, there was a fucking shot of Shinjuku station, zero people in front of it, which is like crazy because Shinjuku station, if you guys don't know, is like literally the most busy station

I think in the world, isn't it? - Yeah, yeah, it is. - Yeah, it is. - At least in Japan. - No, it's the world, I think. - Really? - That doesn't surprise me. Shinjuku Station, I die a little inside whenever someone, whenever a friend comes to Japan and I ask where to meet and they say Shinjuku Station. - Okay, meeting at Shinjuku Station is impossible, but like navigating it isn't so bad. - No, I fucking hate navigating. - I think Ikebukuro is worse than navigation.

- No, what do you want? - Because when you try and get to like the other, like the subway lines, you like for some reason. - Shinjuku station literally has like 30 exits. - Yeah dude, this is fine. - Igibuguro has maybe like 10. - Like depending on which exit you come out of Shinjuku, like it tells you to go on the other side of the station. And you would think walking in a straight line would work.

- No, you can't walk in a straight line in Shinjuku because you got to pass, depending on where you're on the station, you got to pass through like 10 different gates. - At least with Ikebukuro station, I always, if someone's just like meet at this gate that I don't know where the fuck it is, then I'll just go out of the regular gate and I can at least walk around the station. But if you try and do that with Shinjuku station, you're fucked. - If you ever come to Japan and you're gonna meet anyone here and you're staying near Shinjuku,

never say you're gonna meet at Shinjuku Station. It is a lie, okay? Saying you're gonna meet at Shinjuku Station is like saying you're gonna meet somewhere in like Times Square or something like that. It's a massive area and station doesn't do- - No, it's not even that. It's like saying like, "I'll meet you in New York." It's like, "All right, cool." - You just pick a place outside of the station and then send them the Google map. - Yeah, but you could do that with any other station. It'd be way easy to get out of.

- I guess. - Yeah, 'cause I remember I met Jeff here, mother's basement at Shinjuku Station. And as soon as he said it, I was like,

- Oh, here we go. Gotta find, it's basically finding where's Wally with your mates. And you know, with Jeff, it shouldn't be hard 'cause he's fucking massive, right? And he says, and I asked him where he is and he goes, "Oh, I'm near this place, I think. "It looks like there's a big camera nearby." I'm like, "Cool." - It's like eight. - It's like eight big cameras. - So I go to like the nearest big camera. And so big camera is like this huge department store.

- Just like electronics. - It's like electronic store basically. So I go to the West Shinjuku big camera. And then I send him the message and I'm just like, okay, I'm outside big camera. And he goes, I don't see you. And I'm go, it was that point I knew- - Ticks off one of eight. - I fucked up. And I tell him just to send me the Google map coordinates. And he's on the other side of the fucking station. He's at Shinjuku West. - Just always me on Google maps. It's so much easier.

- Or you could just literally meet at like fucking one station over. - 'Cause some of the stations fucking lie with how to get places. And like Ikebukuro as well has like an east-west exit or something. - No, dude, fucking Shinjuku has like seven west exits. - It has an east-west exit. That doesn't make sense. - Shinjuku doesn't even have an east-west exit. I think Shinjuku has like an east-west exit and a new east-west exit. That's how many,

exits there are in Shinjuku that they've literally run out of directions to name the exits. - I miss the train stations in Wales where it's just a platform. That was the whole station. Maybe a vending machine if you were lucky. - Honestly, like what I usually do, I've done this with a few people and it's actually proven to be effective is that instead of meeting in Shinjuku, you meet one station down on the Amanote which is Yoyogi.

Because walking to Yoyogi, like from Yoyogi to Shinjuku is the exact same time that it would take to actually get out of Shinjuku station. - It is because walking from one side of the station to another, depending on where you are, could take up to 15 to 20 minutes. - Exactly, whereas like Yoyogi only has two exits. Very straightforward. - Nah bro, peasants. - What do you mean?

- I'm doing what you love to do best, which is min maxing myself. - Okay, what is the optimal strat then? - Google has this thing now where it tells you which car to get on. So it tells you which train car to get on for the smoothest and quickest exit. And 95% of the time it's spot on. Just do that. - I'll say a trick question though. There is no smooth exit on Shinjuku.

- There is. - There is never a snow exit. - I have legit like, I always have to go to Shinjuku, right? And obviously I'm always using this thing. - Why would you do that? - 'Cause I need to. And I listened to what Google, my God, Google tells me, you know, every time. And it bang on, it's like, go this exit, go up the first set of stairs you see every single time, it's basically right. - You think someone who just came to Japan will like know which direction of Shinjuku and which exit there are? I don't even know which exit I get out of.

- I mean, it works for me. I just listened to what the PC Master Race tells me. If the computers tell me to go somewhere, I go where the computers say. - Okay, Conestogles shit. The first time you come to Japan, don't do that. - No, no, do that. - 'Cause you won't know how to do it. - Find where you wanna go. When you go to the station, there'll be numbers on the floor. Just pick the number that Google tells you to go on.

and then do it, trust me. - Shinjuku, you will get lost navigating the station. - Yeah, don't trust the station signs 'cause they'll be like, "Oh yeah." If you're on the platform, be like, "The exit's this way." - What do you mean don't trust the station signs? That's all I've got. - No, no, no. - Because when you go to Shinjuku and you follow Google Maps, right? Google Maps says, "Take the west exit out of Shinjuku." And then you go out your train, you go see the signs and

- There is literally every exit, but the exit that it says on Google maps. - You've made the mistake. You're looking at the signs, right? The signs- - What is there to look at otherwise? - The signs, all they do is deceive you. They make you second guess, right? Don't listen to the signs. - It's so bullshit. - Listen to what Google says, 100%, right? 'Cause thing is, right? You'll be on the platform, right? And they'll be like,

eight sets of stairs that you can take. And there'll be an hour that says like this way, this is the way to where you wanna go. And sometimes it's like the most unoptimized way to get out of the station or go to the line that you wanna go to. And there's a bunch of stairs and sometimes it isn't clear which stairs to get. It's a mess, right? If Google tells you,

to get off at a cart, go immediately to the nearest set of stairs that you see. I guarantee it'll work and just go out the exit that you see closest, it'll always work. Google knows. Don't listen to the signs, they're a fucking lie. Done. Try it boys, you'll see.

- I don't know, man. - I think I'll just avoid getting off at Shinjuku. - I just feel like not going through Shinjuku is just the optimal strap. - That's like saying, I wanna fly out of the country without an airport. It's like, if you're gonna go to Japan, you're gonna be going through Shinjuku. - Yeah, but like,

I'd rather meet like somewhere far away from the actual station. - Get me out of this place. - Than to meet somewhere anywhere near the station. - Yeah, because it's just extra stress you're adding onto your commute. - Exactly. - No stress if you let the AI do it for you. - I don't know because I have tried following the AI and Google Maps isn't perfect. - It's pretty good.

- Is this why you hate Ikebukuro more? Because the AI's- - I have no fucking clue what happens. - So that's why you hate Ikebukuro. - Ikebukuro is such a fucking mess of a station, the way it's been laid out. Like Shinjuku, I get it. It makes sense to me. - No, it doesn't. - But the thing I will say about Ikebukuro is that the signs make sense. You can see the signs in Ikebukuro. - The thing I love about Ikebukuro is that when I follow a sign to an exit, it actually takes me to the fucking exit.

Like, because I like putting my trust in my own sense of direction, right? So if I'm in a place like Ikebukuro, I can trust that wherever I am, I can find the right way out. I just follow the signs. I just, you know, follow the signs. - I want the optimal, not the right way. - With Shinjuku, if you literally have to put your trust in an AI machine to tell you the right direction, then it is just a poorly planned system. - I mean, hey, it works though. I get where I need to get to.

- No problem. - Well, we'll say that though. - I wonder people watching this who've never been to Japan are like, "What the fuck is this problem?" - Yeah, yeah. If you've never been to Japan, don't listen to Connor. Just meet anywhere outside of Shinjuku. Trust him. - Listen to the white guy in Japan. - Yeah, would you trust the white guy? - Listen to me, the white guy. Trust me, I find life hacks where they don't exist.

- Yeah, I mean, with lockdown, there's not so much new I can be doing. So recently I had this, I had a, woke up one day and I was just like,

I should get back into fake go. - No, no. - I saw your tweet about that and I was just like, no, no, no, no. - It's like watching a friend start a new drug. You know what I mean? It's like, what? No, don't, please stop. - It's just seeing your mate like just relapse and just like, no, no. - I thought we were past this. - You were 10 weeks sober, man. Come on.

I mean, I'm kind of the same way. Like I did something that I haven't done in literal years, which is buy an Aerogey, like a Japanese Aerogey. - Ooh, okay. - Like a brand new, like just came out Aerogey. So, okay, so I was in Akihabara a while back doing some shopping for a video and,

and I was walking past like melon books, which is like, you know, where they sell a lot of like doujins and stuff. And out the front, okay. So basically, so out the front, they have like a bunch of signs for like new games that come out. And every now and then they'll also show some signs for like Aragays, right? 'Cause that's where they sell it. And there was one where I was just like, that actually looks really cool. Like I didn't actually know it was an Aragay. I thought it was like a standard JRPG or whatever. But I was like, that actually kind of looks cool. So I looked it up, found out it's an Aragay by Alice Soft. And I was like, wow.

Alice soft actually just fucking like click baited me into thinking that this was like a legitimate JRPG when it's just a fucking arrow gate with JRPG elements in it. So I was like, all right, you know what? I'll bite, I'll bite it's locked down. I can't really go out anywhere. And I haven't fucking bought and played an arrow game so many years. Fuck it, I'll do it.

Played it and that's kind of all I've been doing for the past three days really. - Do you wanna give context to Connor about what Allosoft has done? - Yeah, I just zoned out. - I don't know if there's any games like that famous outside of Japan that also, basically Allosoft is like one of the oldest, I guess like most well-known in the era gay world. There's like Illusion, like Allosoft, fucking Leaf,

- Leaf? - Yeah. - You sure you ain't naming Pokemon types? - Maple is another maker. - My favorite Pokemon type, Maple. - Lump of Sugar is another one. It's basically just like an OG AeroGate developer. And they came out with a new game that looks completely different to anything that they've done. So I played a few like LSO games back in my day. - Wait, so what the fuck do you do in an AeroGate? Explain to me.

- It's a visual novel with porn. - Jack off or? - If it's good. Connor's like, wait, how can you get off with words? - How does that work? So like, if it's good, you're like- - It's basically, think of it as it's like perfectly halfway between jacking off to a doujin and jacking off to a hentai. - I can't imagine how the latter, the former feels. - Basically it's like jacking off to a doujin, but the audio from the hentai is playing.

- Okay. - Yeah. - So there's voice acting and the sound effects. - So it's dubbed doujins. - It's dubbed doujins. - That can also be autoplayed. - Yeah. - And so like you're playing this story game and you might say you just beat one out and then you just carry on? - Yeah. - I sit there for like, you know, 30 seconds after I'm done and I just look at disgust at what I've been doing.

I'm like, turn that shit off. - With all the male fans you've been watching it? - I would be disgusted too. - Because right after it, you are in like a heightened state of like, you're basically like a monk for 30 seconds where you're like, I will never have sex ever again. - Well, I'm not, I don't know. - So I'm like, turn this shit off. - Do you get post-nut regret? - 100% every time, every time. And then I'm like- - That's weak will, motherfucker. - With porn.

- If I could abandon porn, I would. You know what I mean? - No, you wouldn't. - Yeah, I would. - Every guy says that, but they wouldn't. - If you could say, "Connor, you just never need to masturbate ever again." I'd be like, "Sure, why not? Let's try it. Let's see how it goes." - Have you ever completed No Not November? - No, I've never attempted it. - Well, you should. Well, it sounds like you're wanting to attempt it right now. - 'Cause you'll just end up getting like a wet dream eventually, right? Like that'll happen, right? If you leave it for long enough. - For a month?

- Yeah, when was the last time you didn't jack off for a month?

- Well, never, but that's because I'm not going to fucking spew shit being like, "I can live without porn." - No, no, no, I want to. - I want porn. - No, I want to. I want to live without it. I don't want to be- - I know. This is the literally, "I don't want to be horny, I want to be happy" meme like I've ever seen in real life. - I hate being distracted from what I'm trying to do. And it just distracts me. - See, I look at that meme and I'm just like, "I want both, really. I want to be horny and happy." What's wrong with that? - So you just...

- So you see this as like a distraction from your optimized life. - Yeah, exactly, pretty much. My optimized lifestyle is being ruined by this. - Oh my God. I can never hear the word optimized in the same way after this fucking podcast. - So you're playing this game, you know? - Yeah. - It's a game. How is it a fucking game? It's reading, it's tricking you into jacking off. - No, because this Allosoft one has like full on JRPG elements as well. - What, so you're like, you're in the middle of a battle

and you're trying to jack off. - No, no, no, no. So the Jets are- - Okay, so what are the JRPG elements? - Okay, so think of, okay, this is, I hate the fact that I'm using this as an example. Think of "Persona." - Oh God, here we go. - Think of "Persona," where like the "Persona" games are, in my opinion, "Persona" games are the perfect

of visual novel and JRPG where like they've somehow managed to make two like elements of two completely different styles of games and mix it perfectly, right? So in Persona, the JRPG elements are most often than not completely separated from the actual visual novel elements, right? - In Persona? - Yeah, in Persona.

- What? - What's up? - It's not a visual novel, is it? - Did we just get an earthquake? I don't know if I just fell off a small jig. - No, it's probably this. - Okay. - So in "Persona," right? Like you have the visual novel elements and then you have the JRPG elements. - Oh, so like in between the, yeah. - Yeah, so like, you'd have like, you go through a dungeon or whatever and then once you complete that dungeon, then it goes into the visual level. - Fill up. - Yeah, well, yeah, as you call it.

I mean, I would argue that the GFBG elements are filler for you as well, but regardless. So, you know, you have like the story elements and you have like the actual like gameplay elements. Whereas in this era gay, the sections times start to happen during only the visual novel elements.

- Okay, so the visual novel elements of the sex scenes and the gameplay stuff breaks up that. - So like a standard era game that doesn't have JRPG elements. It's basically just a visual novel with sex scenes put into it. So it kind of interweaves with the story. With this one, it's just that separately it has a JRPG portion as well. - Wait, what do you mean? Like you battle? Like what do you do in this?

Like what, I'm confused. What are you doing? - Well, yeah, what the fuck else do you do in a JRPG? - So you're just, so it's just a dead ass and normal JRPG game where you're going around battling monsters, leveling up. - Yeah. - And then it cuts to like a visual novel with fucking? - Yeah.

Who comes up with things like this? - I'm looking at this on like Connor's side. I can literally hear the gears like turning in his head and it's just not computing. It's just like, wait. - The gears are not like, they're not coming together. - They're just stuck right now. I'm just like. - This sounds to me, right? This is the equivalent of being like, so it's a food tray that jacks you off. It's like, I don't want those two things going near each other. - What are you talking about?

Like those two elements, the JRPG game and then just a visual novel with porn in it are like just two elements that just shouldn't be involved at all. - Why not? - Why wouldn't you want a food trailer that jacks you off, Joey? - Look, you're thinking about it as if like there's the visual novel, like storytelling part and then the sex scene and then immediately there's a battle. That's not how it works. - How does it work then?

- It works as if like there's the storytelling element, the visual novel element and in the middle, there is a sex scene. So it's sandwiched between the visual novel elements. - Okay, so there's the visual novel elements where they're telling a fucking story and there's porn in the middle and then it just cuts to when they're done with the talking, it just goes to a normal dead ass game. - Yeah.

- What? Why? Does this sound good to you? Am I insane? This sounds awful. - It sounds great. - No, it doesn't. You're just playing devil's advocate. - No, no, no. - This sounds terrible. - Okay, okay. I mean, I say this as someone who has also played "Erogeis" before. And there's something about like hentai games and "Erogeis" where the sound of it

the sex scenes feel like there's something different about feeling like you've earned a sex scene. - Oh fuck. - Right? - 100% agree. - You know what I mean? - 100% agree. - It is like you could have the most mediocre sex scene, but you feel like you've earned that sex scene. - And it's even more so in this game because like you can unlock certain sex scenes depending on what you do in the JRPG. - You like a person who watches a hentai. - I don't want an Xbox achievement. I want a hentai achievement. You know what I mean?

who watches a hentai and skip straight to 15 or 20 minutes will not know what we're talking about. - No, I prefer the story in hentai, but I don't want to sit there and read a fucking book and then Jack off into the book and then wipe the cum off my hand and go around my RPG world, leveling up my character, right? I don't wanna fucking deal with it. - Oh no, like look, don't get me wrong.

- This is not the type of game for anybody. - This isn't like shit. - I completely understand that the stuff I like

in hindsight is pretty shit. - Yeah, this is like, you know when they say they don't eat where you shit, right? This is like eating the shit that you sleep in. Like this is like, this is so fucked. Like this shouldn't be a combination of things. Like only Japan would make something like this 'cause this is so stupidly like, like this shouldn't exist. - Well, that's not true. Like look at honey pop. - Yeah. - Honey pop. - That was made by Americans. - Yeah, I don't fucking like honey pop either. Like honey pop. - I enjoy honey pop.

- Because it's literally what I just described by made by Americans. - Because like I, for example- - Wasn't that like Bejeweled or some shit? Wasn't that game? Like it was one of those fucking- - Yeah, it was like a puzzle game. - Yeah, it's a puzzle game. - I don't want a puzzle game that I jack off to. - But no, no, no, because the thing is- - It's like jacking off to a jigsaw puzzle being like, "Oh, it's making porn. The PCs are making a porno." - Yeah, you earned it. - Because the thing is, you have this gameplay loop, right? You have this gameplay loop, but unlike you,

- I need a reward for playing this game. I need a reward for playing this game. - Unlike you, I don't jack off to Xbox. - Most of the time. - I don't jack off to Xbox achievements either. I don't care about it. - Most of the time, it has to be story. Most of the time. That's why I play games. If I have a gameplay loop,

You can have the best fucking gameplay loop of all time. If there's no motivation for me to play it, then I'm just gonna not play it. - That's why I don't give a shit about most games that don't have a story. 'Cause it's like, why am I playing this? - Yeah, there are so many games that I agree have great gameplay. - I can totally agree with that. But why is there porn in it?

because that's the reward you get for playing the game. - Because I'm sorry if I'm feeling a little horny sometimes. - I just can't imagine holding the Xbox controller and then just, all right, put it down, get the tissue box out. Like what? This is insane. - For example, like,

- That was a degeneracy should not be reached. - Like for instance, a game like Dead Cells, which I heard, which I played and I played it for what, five minutes and I thought this was a really good game. And then I got bored for five minutes 'cause I was like, why am I playing this game? There's no motivation for me to actually play through levels. It's a nice gameplay loop. Same with something like Celeste. - That's amazing.

- Celeste is an amazing game. I went through one level when I got bored because I really couldn't care about the story. - It's the gameplay man, it's so good, so addictive. - But that's the thing, if it had a reward for me to complete the level, then I would have played through it. There needs to be some kind of reward. - So what Garnt is saying is that Celeste would have been better if there was a sex scene at the end of each level. - If every time I fail to complete the level,

complete to the level Celeste, there was a hentai scene or something like that. - You literally just want like, Garnt wants to have like a beat a level and then the Pornhub music starts playing. That's what Garnt wants. - Yes. - What's wrong? - I want that. - I think you guys are too comfortable with jacking off. - Imagine an Iroge with something on the gameplay level of Dead Cells or Celeste or something along those lines. - Masterpiece. - My God. - Masterpiece. - I'm just imagining that right now. That would be amazing.

- That would be a masterpiece. - That would be fucking amazing because like, you know, every time you finish a level of Celeste, you have such like, fuck yes, like moments, right? It's like, yes, I went through that. I died hundreds and hundreds of times. - Yeah.

here is my reward. Hell yeah, that is gonna be the best Jack off you'll ever have. - I'm not saying make Celeste porn. - No, no, no. - That's what I'm saying. - It's just an example. - We don't wanna loot the fucking characters. - No, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about if we had a gameplay loop of something like Celeste or something on that level

and then we had it hentai to it. My God, that is improving upon perfection. - You people. - How has no one crowdfund this shit right now? - I'm making it, I'm making that. - Please, kickstart this shit. I am going to fund it right now. - Give me some money. - Give me some money, I will make it happen. - It's fucking animals like you.

of the reason why we have fucking like Minecraft sex scenes. Like this is the prop, you guys want to put fucking porn in everything. Have you seen the Minecraft porn on YouTube? It's fucking awful. - Some of us kind of. - Joey like finishes a level in, it's not even levels in Minecraft. Joey finishes getting some diamonds in Minecraft, just swaps over to the next tab and start playing Minecraft. - Oh dude, do you know how hard it is to get diamonds in Minecraft? That's like a great achievement. - Oh my God.

- I can say that publicly because I know I'm not the only one who genuinely thinks that. The fact that Minecraft porn even fucking exists means that I am not- - Are you saying you like Minecraft porn? - No, I'm not. - That sounded like you didn't have a problem with it. - No, I mean, I don't care. - It's like a kid's game though.

- This podcast has been a weird one. - I just think it's sad, right? That there are kids out there who legitimately like are curious about porn. And the first thing they think is my two loves, Steve and Minecraft. I would like to see if they did that to him. 'Cause it's only kids watching these things, right? 'Cause no adult can jack off to Steve, Steve blocks fucking something. - I mean.

- No, Joey, come on, come on. - No, I'm not saying I am, but I think you underestimate some like adult's willpower. - Okay, I have. - What, did you jacked off to Minecraft? - No, no, this is the first I've ever heard of Minecraft porn, if I'm being honest. - Really? - You've never seen it? - I've never seen it. Describe it to me, please.

- Oh, wow. - I mean, we just kind of have to show you. - No, no, no, no, no. You need to describe it to me. - This must have been like four or five years ago. I can't remember which YouTuber made the video about it, but there was actually like so much like full on traditional pornos made in Minecraft. - When you first mentioned it, I thought, okay, we're just being sarcastic. - No, no, no, okay. - You know there's like,

Captain Sparkles, right? The one that does like Minecraft animations. Basically imagine that, but it would literally be like a porno situation where it was like someone would be like, oh no. - It's like a high quality like Minecraft MMD. - No, you're shitting me. - I swear I saw one that was like Steve like rams a creeper. - Please say so. - Like Steve like fucks a creeper or something. - Yeah, and the creeper has like tits, right? - Yeah, something like that.

This is legit. This is actually good. - We will show you afterwards. - If you don't hold back, right? If you let your creative juices run wild on projects like Joey wants to do with all of this shit, this is what happens and we don't need this.

- We don't need this. - I don't know. - No, don't get me wrong. We don't need it. - No, that's the thing, right? - People want it. - No, no, no. It doesn't matter what people want. People don't deserve what they want. - I don't know if it's worth what I just imagined in my mind from you describing it or actually watching the actual thing. - We'll show you afterwards and we'll, I don't know, maybe Juzm can add a clip of like Garnt reacting to it. - When we're done with the episode, we'll leave the cameras rolling. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm just like, this is a shit post, right? - And it's literally like, it can only be kids watching it. - It's so disturbing that it's just funny.

- Well, I mean, it's funny to us, but obviously I'm sure the mom who walked in on the kid watching is pretty confused. - Have we reached that age? Is this what our parents felt when they walked in and saw us like jacking it off to anime titties? - I'm sure. - Is this how they felt now? - I mean, I'll never forget the look my parents gave me. - What? - What? - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - You've never had like your parents like walking on you jacking off? - No. - I've hit it very well if they have. - Really? - Yeah, again, I remember there was my stairs would creak.

- Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. - So your parents walked in on you with- - My dad walked in on me once. - How big was the screen of like this? - Oh no, it was tiny. - They meant jacking off on like a Game Boy S. - No, no, no, no, no. It was on like, you know, like my old like shitty fucking desktop computer with like, I think it was like a 16 inch or whatever. - I had a black and white TV. - Oh really? - Yeah, it was like a hand me down and it couldn't play like V, yeah, it was fucking awful. So I couldn't put porn on there. - All right, well, I can't believe I'm about to tell this story.

- Here we go. - Oh God, I don't even remember how old I was. This is fucking easy. I don't remember exactly how old it was, but it was around that age as a teenager when you first discovered porn, right? Like anywhere between like, I don't know, 13 to 15, something like that. Maybe even earlier for some people, I don't know. But I remember what it was too. I think it was legitimately the first time

I watched like a hentai on my computer. - Right. You went straight to hentai. - No, no, no, no, no, no. This was like not long after I discovered porn. - He quickly got down that rabbit hole. - Yeah, no, like that first time I hid. But the first time with hentai was a different story. And I was in my room and like my room has like a, had a lock on it. - Right. - So I thought I blocked the door.

- Oh no. - I thought, and I remember it's what we chant I was. It was a . - Oh, classic. - Classic, right? - Yeah, yeah. - It's like next to the Bible black. It's like classic, right? And yeah, so I was like, oh, something has arisen in me. Something has arisen in me. - Something has arisen in me. - Right. - My little Joey has woken up. - Right. - So I was like, let's give it a go.

And so I did it and then I hear like a clack of the door opening and I look around and it's my dad standing there. - He's pretty proud of you though. - No, no, he looked at me and he looked at what was on my screen and he looked at me again and he just said, "Really mate?" - Your dad seems like the most Australian man alive. - I remember exactly what he said. He's like, "Really mate? Couldn't have been regular porn?"

He's like, "I wouldn't even be disappointed with you. It was just regular porn." And I was like, I mean, I've been past that point. I was kind of experimenting. He's like, "All right, whatever." Like, I don't know what I was- - Dad, I have already gotten bored of regular porn. I'm seeking new ventures. - I could legitimately see the very moment where the disappointment came in. You know what I mean? It's like a certain look in my dad's eyes where it kind of went from like, "Whoa, what are you doing?"

- Oh no, he's into that shit. - He's into that shit, huh? - Yes, father, I am into that shit. - Are you winning, son? No. - That was the day I took an L. - And now he wastes his days fucking playing the road games. - And now I talk about it for a job, so. I hope you're proud of me, dad. - That felt so desperate. - Please love me. - Please say son. - I'm winning now.

- Oh my God. - I'm finally winning dad. - It's just that that moment is carved into you and you're like the son who just looks for your dad's approval. - I don't have a lot of like distinct memories during my childhood, but that was definitely one that will like forever stick with me. Like it's kind of just implanted itself into the back of my brain now. - I don't know, I've never been caught jacking off at all because to me it's like, if I do this, a checklist happens. - Sneak 100 for me.

- Yeah, it's the same way- - I didn't build my sneak, unfortunately. - It's the same when you leave the house and you have your, okay, pack, keys, wallet, phone, same thing when you do the, same thing, same thing. You do the deed and you're just like, okay, door locked, headphones on or whatever, make sure nobody's in the house or nobody can hear, and then you start. - See, with the lock on my door, I got a little too overconfident.

So I was like, yeah, this is foolproof, isn't it? And then I just, I guess I just forgot. You know what it felt like? It felt like, you know when you're playing Pokemon and you like go into a cave and you put repel on and it runs out just before you're about to leave the cave and you get into an encounter. That's what it felt like. - You fucked up. - I was like, shit, I was that close. - Yeah. - But I don't know, like I've like,

I thought getting walked in on is like a common thing. 'Cause you see it so much on the internet, right? It's like, I got walked in, like what do I do? Like, you know, that kind of stuff. - Have you ever walked in on anyone or been walked in on? - Oh my gosh, maybe I have. I don't know. I feel like these are like buried memories. - Yeah, exactly. - There's probably a good chance I've probably walked in on something. I don't know, been to parties and seen shit, but like people just don't care about it. - That doesn't count. - Yeah, that doesn't count.

- I mean, in like a private time. - No, I don't think I have actually. - Yeah, I think I've never walked in on someone, but the closest I've come,

it was in university and I was visiting a mate and it was like a group house. So like two or three of my mates are there and we were getting ready for the night out. So I was just like saying hello to everyone. And then I knock on one of my mates door and you know that panic scramble that you can hear. So his door was locked, right? But I knock on the door and all I heard was

- That's all I heard, right? And then he opens the door and the laptop, which is opposite like where the door is, is conveniently closed. So I'm just like, what were you just doing? And he was like, nothing. I was just working on my presentation. - I bet you were. - But I've never actually walked in on anyone, but I feel like it's more common in America because in university there, if you share a room,

- That's weird to me. - This is why I can't imagine having a roommate. Because how do you schedule that? Anyone in America, can you ask me, do you actually have to schedule your sessions because- - Like, do you have to be like, where are you going? How long will you be out? - Is this just an urban legend? - What time are you coming back? - Is this like an urban legend where do you tell each other

where do you like, do you like have like a calendar where you schedule? Okay guys. - I'm clocking in boys. - This time is my time. There's gonna be a sock on the door. That's how you know. And if the sock is on the door, then it is like code red. Don't come in. - Never disturb me during my fat time. - I mean, like, I guess like what I wanna ask you guys is like, I mean,

none of us have children, right? But like hypothetically- - Why did you say it like that? Why did you say it like, right? - Right, right, right, right. Not that we're wrong. - Yeah, but like hypothetically, right? Like if you ever like get a kid, for example, and you become the role of a parent and you walked in on your kid doing that, like how would you guys react? Like what would you say? - Join it, I'm joking.

- I don't know. It's not really to have a conversation there. You're like, "Sit down, son." It's like, "Whoa, my dick's out there." - But I'm sure some parents have, right? - It's like, "Oh my God, I don't know." - As a parent, what's the correct answer? - Probably tell them not to do it. - Really? - 'Cause they're gonna do it anyway. But you don't wanna encourage them and be like, "Watch as much porn as you want, son."

- I feel like my dad said that. - What? - Something similar. He's just like, because like I specifically remember- - 'Cause you can get addicted to porn. - Right, right, right. But I specifically remember my dad wasn't so much like disappointed in the fact that I was like jacking off at all. - It was the hentai. - It was the hentai. - It was the hentai. - It was the hentai. He was like, "I don't care that you're jacking off. Like that's fucking, like if you have a penis and you're an adult, that's fucking normal, right? So whatever. You're eventually gonna get to this point."

It could have been anything else that you were jacking off to. - I'd probably just walk out and then the next time I see my child, I'd probably just be like,

we can just forget about it. - Right. - And then, because I feel like the more you talk about it, the more you put light on it, the worse that they're gonna feel. Just make it as casual as possible to be like- - I feel so many parents end up doing like the sit down, son, let's have a talk. I feel that's the worst answer. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? 'Cause I feel like there's nothing more, I mean, I never got the talk from my parents, but I feel if I ever was in that position, I'd be like, fuck, I wanna leave. - Did you ever ask your parents where babies came from?

- Probably, they probably just gave me some bullshit answer. - Yeah, I don't know. - Does any kid remember? - I still remember the bullshit answer my mom gave me. - Really? - Yes. So I thought that literally what she said was babies came out of the belly button, right?

And thinking about this as an adult, I think that's permanently scarred me because when I see a belly button now, because as a kid, I had this disgusting thought of, oh, fucking babies crawl out of there. And now as a fully grown adult, I still see belly buttons. I'm just like, oh.

- All I can think of is that fucking scene in Ace Ventura, you know, when he's coming out of the fucking like rhino. That's all I can imagine. It's like some alien shit. - Like looking back, I'd rather my mom had just tell me graphically where babies came from as opposed to just tell me, yeah, they crawl out the belly button. 'Cause I remember the first time, like there's two moments that have scarred me for life. One was that and the second time was the first time I saw the matrix.

- The Matrix? - Yeah, the Matrix. - What scene? - There's a scene where, have you guys seen the Matrix? - Yeah, but I can't imagine a scene. - Okay, so there's a scene. - Wait, I think I know which one you're on about. - There's a scene where the agents pin Neo down and then like a spidery shrimp emerges and then it crawls up his belly button. - Yeah, I saw that when I was at 12, that's funny.

- Fucked me up so badly because I'm just like, okay. - It reinforced. - It reinforced that it was possible for things to go in or out of the belly button. So I'm just like protect this at all costs. - Cover it. - It's my vital point. - Yeah, I thought it was like some alien burst out shit where it's like,

- I had a similar thing with the mummy. You know when like the beetle is like crawling under the skin? - Oh my God. - That was the first time I like physically was like, I'm scared. - I feel like yeah, that Matrix scene had blocked out my mind. - Yeah. - 'Cause I remember being, I remember watching that like a 10 year old and being disgusted. - Yeah. - God, it was awful. But yeah, I mean that's a tangent, right? From Paul. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't know. If my kids were to do it, yeah, I'd probably be like, well, did you do it efficiently?

- Did you min-max it, son? - How much time did you spend? Was that 30 minutes you were in there for? That's way too long. You cannot get in the habit of doing that, son. I don't know. 'Cause like when you see the people talking about like, I legit would worry if my kid got like addicted to porn. - Oh yeah. - 'Cause like you hear about the adults who get addicted to porn. Like Terry Crews was addicted to porn, right? - Was he? - Yeah, he was addicted to porn, I think. And there was, do you remember that guy? I sent you a link. So I was on YouTube and there was just a video and it was something called like "Coming Clean" or something.

And it was just this guy who was just like, no one had exposed him on YouTube. No one had said anything. He just came out with it. He was just like, I'm addicted to porn guys. I'm going broke because he's like, I hit a few million. And he was just like, I spent all my money. - Oh, I do remember that. - He was that guy who was in like a happy relationship. He was married, wasn't he? - Happily married. - He wasn't like, he was like a buff. - Really good looking dude. - Good looking. - Yeah, I remember that. - And he was just like, yeah, so like, I'm just like horribly addicted to porn.

I spent all my money on cam girls. - Yeah, he just spent all his money on Chatterbait. - Yeah, yeah, and I just felt so bad for the dude. And it's like, you know, had this like come out any other way, people probably would have mocked him, but he, you know, he spoke about it himself and you kind of felt like really bad for the dude. You're like, I can't sympathize per se, I would not sympathize. I can't, you know, experience that myself. But like, I was like, fuck dude, I would never want that on my kid or something. - Oh yeah. - To be like cripplingly addicted to like,

virtual video porn, right? Whatever. I don't know. I feel so bad about that. - I think it especially hurts considering the fact that like he's going broke because of it. - Yeah man. - As well. - And luckily the guy like, shit, like the video is really good. I recommend watching it. Like just to like, I don't know. And his wife was like understanding of it and she helped like walk him through it. I just thought it was really fucking sweet. And I hope the guy's doing better now. I have no idea. I didn't watch any of the videos,

- How do you even get to a point when you realize- - Right, that's scary. - What is the line where you realize- - What is a porn addiction? - What is a porn addiction? Is it- - Sid snap. She's gonna kill me for that joke. - Is it to the point where it's like you're spending so much money that it's like putting a dent on your income or- - See, I've never spent money on porn, ever. - I mean, aside from- - Oh yeah, you fuck off, yeah. - I mean, I just recently bought a narrowcase.

I can hand on heart say I've never spent any money on porn. I feel like that is like a big line to cross where you're comfortable getting your credit card out to put in, right? That's like just a line I don't wanna cross. And I'd be really fucking sad in my son or my daughter if they were like, "Yeah, I've got a premium Brazzers subscription." I'm like, "Why?"

- Why? - Yeah, I don't know what it, like to me spending money on like hentai games or something, completely understandable. As soon as you spend money on like, I guess real life porn, for some reason that just flips a switch me to be like,

- How? Why? - I think it's because unlike "Erogeis" and "Hentai" and stuff like that, there are so many options to get the same experience for free. - That's it, right? Because I'm guessing none of us have ever actually bought a "Hentai" DVD or a "Hentai" book. - No. - Wow, I did. - Really? - I did. - Oh, okay. - I bought the classic. I bought "Mother Knows Brass."

- Did you actually? - I actually bought it. Yeah, I bought a physical copy. - After the podcast? - Yeah, yeah, but it hasn't arrived yet. I bought it because I was like, I noticed that the licensor who's selling it, they eventually delist their older ones. And I thought, well, I gotta get a copy of "Mother Knows Breast" just in case it goes extinct. - Yeah, but that doesn't count 'cause you've already seen it. - I'm not gonna jack off to it. I'm sure it's gonna be pristine condition. - Yeah, you bought that as a meme, right? - No, I bought it to preserve. - This is the shit you're gonna frame

and you're gonna show your kids and be like, "Kids-" - It cost me $50. - Yeah, but that's understandable, right? Like no one's gonna fucking frame their Brazzers subscription on a wall, right? - Yeah. - It's like when you hear about- - I mean, there are people out there, but- - 'Cause it's like, you know, you hear about those, you know, they'd be like politician scandals and they'd be like, "He spent $40,000 on porn." I'm like, "I don't even know how you would do that." - How do you start to spend that much money on porn? - I just don't even know how you would do that.

- How do you go about that? - What I wanna know is how do you not have enough sources of porn that you need to spend money on porn? - I think a lot of people want like specific porn. Like I think again, like this is where a lot of like independent creators come in. - No, no, that's totally the reason why OnlyFans is this thing because I feel like- - But I would never pay $20 for something I'm gonna jack off to.

- Yeah, I mean, like for me, for me, like I can understand why people would want to support independent creators, like for example, OnlyFans or something because you know, there is that parasocial relationship in there and I can totally understand why people would wanna spend money on that. I don't understand,

like Brazzers subscriptions or just like- - Where there is no parasocial. - Yeah, where there is no parasocial relationship where there's- - I would almost argue that OnlyFans and all those parasocial relationships are way worse off than getting a Brazzers subscription. - I totally agree with you actually. - It is a dangerous line. - I don't even like,

I just feel sad when I look at it all. Like I feel sorry for everyone. Like, I mean, other than the creators are making bank, right? Good for them. Like totally understandable. The grind, you do what you gotta do. But like, when you look at some of these guys and you see what some of them say online, like you just feel sad for them. Like just like, did they feel like they needed- - This isn't to demerit any like adult workers or anything like that. - I think a lot of the stuff they make is fucking awesome and a lot of them put a lot of work into it. Like I just feel,

- It's a dangerous line that I don't wanna cross. - I don't wanna go into that 'cause if you pay for one, I feel like you'll do it again. Like I'll probably buy another one.

- And it's dangerous for the creator as well because then you get some of these supporters who get a little too comfortable with it and try and start crossing the line. - I can't imagine what they have to deal with on the day. - Huge respect to them. - Every type of like creepy dude, thinking that just because they paid like a grandiose amount of money to this creator that suddenly they're like best friends. And that's just not how it works. - I follow a few of them on Twitter. It's pretty good to see like, oh God, Carter,

But like just seeing what they get up to is like, I mean, it's sad some of the shit they got to deal with. Just to like, you gotta like fight just to take, to have people take you seriously. - Yeah. - Oh my God. - Yeah, 'cause the thing is, I would like to think that everyone's end goal for watching porn is like,

an offset for being able to go into like a happy relationship where you just feel satisfied and like happy with your life. You stop wanting to be horny and you just be happy. - Yeah, yeah. - That's what I'm saying. Abandon horny, be happy. - And I feel like if you go out and pay for porn, you're crossing a dangerous line where- - Of no return, right?

- Not that you can't return from it, but you're getting comfortable. - It may not be dangerous. I just perceive it to myself. - Yeah, I mean, this is- - It sounds dangerous. - Everyone has a different line. This is my line as well, where if I go out and cross this line, it's the line that I'm not comfortable with myself being about. And some people are comfortable and I'm sure there's healthy people out there who have,

- I'm sure, again, it's the thing with the addiction thing, right? Like it's like 95% of people are totally capable of self-regulating and not over consuming things. But there's a good amount of people out there where they find that one thing that just breaks them and they just can't stop. Like it's just what it is. - Yeah, and it's just, we go back to the point of how do you recognize what point is too far

Is it when your life is being actively ruined or when you just can't find a happy relationship? - Yeah, which is like, again, why like going back to that video, like massive props to the dude for being able to like stop himself and be like, you know what, this is getting out of hand. - Like realizing that it's a problem. - Yeah, yeah.

So honestly, like to me, I was just amazed that he was willing to talk about that publicly. And you know, to me, I was like, damn, that's like pretty fucking big balls to come out and be like, listen guys, I'm addicted to porn. Knowing that people are gonna meme you. But in reality, you know, there's probably a lot of people going through that. And I have massive respect for the guy coming out. - And I think I remember as well, like from what I saw,

- Hardly anyone was memeing it. - All the comments were really positive. - Yeah, yeah. - Well, because it's again, like when the stuff is sensitive, people don't want to talk about it because they meme it, but it's really important to have people come out and be like, listen, this is a real thing. And like, it's fucking me over. - Yeah, absolutely. - It's the exact same thing with, for example, Gacha addiction, you know? We can meme the fuck out of it, but if someone has an issue, you should take it seriously and you shouldn't just,

think that people are gonna mock you and meme the fuck out of you. Some people will. - And addiction to anything is never good. - Some people will, but the good people out there will actually understand that you can have an embarrassing problem sometimes. Sometimes it's hard to tell when you've gone too far. - Joey plays arrow games. I feel sorry for him. - You play leagues. - I'm clean, by the way.

- I'd argue it's like duality of man, right? - I haven't played a ranked game on my account in like four, five months. - Oh, good for you, dude. - On my NA account though, I've helped out. - Okay, okay, got it. - But I'm clean. - I'll tell you who's also clean, all our patrons right here.

- The most amazing segue in the history of this show. - I would like to say a shout out to this particular patron for being wonderful. Look at him go. - Why this one? - Because why not?

- By the way, what flavor of G Fuel are you guys drinking? I'm drinking the- - I finished it because it was just so delicious, but I had the pink lemonade. It was actually really, really good. - I had the phase berry. - Phase berry? - I am drinking the PewDiePie flavor. - You're drinking PewDiePie juice? - Yes, I am. - Jealous. - Well, I hope you guys have enjoyed this. This is probably one of the weirdest segments. Like we just had so many varying topics, Jesus Christ.

- Oh, Christ. Hope you guys had fun. - Hey, we actually talked about anime for once, for like the majority of this podcast. - Of course, it was two weeks in a row. Disgusting. I'm not talking about anime for four months now. I'm done. - But if you guys like to follow us over on Twitter, we also have a subreddit. Post us your memes there and also listen to us on Spotify if you hate our faces. Hopefully once this episode aired, we would have reached 100,000 members in our Reddit, which- - That's crazy. - Would be absolutely awesome. - What are you doing? Go join the Reddit? Stop wasting your time.

- Do you know how much meme potential there was in this episode alone? - I will review your memes eventually. - Again, meme review, let's go. But anyway, I've been Giguk with the boys. This has been Trash Taste and we'll see you guys next time. - Bye. - Bye.