We Met a REAL Virtual YouTuber (ft. Mori Calliope) | Trash Taste #23
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- Hello and welcome to a very special episode of Trash Taste Podcast. I am your host for today, once again, Garnt. - And you're always the host and as a guest. - Joining me today is of course, the boys, C-Dawg and the Anime Man.

- You've never called us that. - The hentai boy now is- - God, I'm nervous for you. Why are you so nervous? - He's trying not to sit higher up. - Are you nervous perhaps because of the person who is sitting next to you right now? - So we have first here on Trash Days, we have a 2D guest with us today. - Looking wonderful in your attire. - Oh, thank you. - Would you like to introduce yourself to the world? - Sure, okay.

- Hello everyone, I'm Kalei Fimori and I'm from the first generation of Hololive English. Nice to meet you all and thanks for having me. - Yeah, of course. - Yay. - See, I wanted you to introduce yourself because we've been pronouncing your name wrong this entire time. - As most people do, as most people do. - Okay, to be fair though, in my defense, it is rather confusing because like the English,

- The name is Calliope. - Right. - But when you type it in in Katakana, like in Japanese, it's Kariope. - That's right. - Right, so I'm just like, which one is it? - Well, actually the truth is, I actually never thought about that. I never thought about that. Actually there are many things I didn't know about. - It was like, which one's the law? Which one's the real law? But now we know it's both. - Yes, indeed. - So where did that name come from?

Well, actually, it has various meanings, believe it or not. So Calliope is actually the Greek muse of poetry, epic poetry. Oh, really? And as you know, I do dabble just a bit in the sick, nasty rhyme creation of flame.

- Is that how you refer to it as? - Listen, listen. - The fire spit bars? - I'm just trying to get used to the way that people say things in such strange ways these days. And I just, I don't, I'm not used to it yet. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - Well, yeah, because like this is not only a first for Trash Taste having a 2D guest, but I think we are kind of making YouTube history in a sense because I've been

- I do believe this is the first time 2D and 3D have joined together. - Connor's fucking dying right now. - It's so funny 'cause the way that we're filming this, Garnt literally cannot move or else it'll fuck up everything. And Garnt looks so fucking nervous. He's like, "Yes, and today we have the guest." - Are you sure it's not because I'm deaf? - That's it. But also the fact that I do believe that we are probably

probably one of the first non-Hololive YouTube channels to feature like do a collab, like an official collab with a Hololive member. - Well, I think this is, well, this, I'm not sure about the Japanese side, but this is definitely like the English side of things. - Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. - I think this is the first collab where I've seen Hololive do other things with people outside of Hololive. - 'Cause I mean, how long has Hololive Ian been around right now? - Wow, you know, it feels like it's been three years, but it's been about a month.

- In YouTube years it's three years, right? Because like three months on YouTube feels like three years. - Gosh, that sure is how it feels, I tell you what. - It has just been a month, hasn't it? Like just over a month. Oh my God, it feels like it was like the beginning of 2020, the Hololive English launch. - Yeah, right? - That's why it's just shocking to me how fast

and how powerful just the whole life English side of things has grown. Because I mean, like you don't even have to be a whole life like simp or anything or like even follow VTubers. And you'll see people like retweeting memes and shit of VTubers.

- I do see a lot. - Yeah, right? - I don't care. - It's lovely to meet you. - Lovely to meet you too. It's fine, it's fine. I get it all the time. - I think it's really cool. I've seen you get smashed on stream. That was really entertaining. - Now wait a minute. Now wait a minute. Everyone says that, but listen, here's the thing. - Okay, okay. - You guys haven't seen anything yet. Everyone likes to say things like, "Oh, look at."

so funny she's drunk. Ha ha ha ha ha. Like it's a big funny joke. But if you want to see me drunk,

- I mean, to be fair, I've seen the stream where you smash down the spirit ass. - Okay, well the spirit ass was a different situation, listen. - I'm totally unfamiliar with, well, everything. Pretty much. - You gotta explain like I'm five. - Yeah, so can you guys explain, and especially you being the professional death God of life. - Sure. - VTuber.

- It's totally real, death cults are real. Please fully explain everything to me 'cause I'm a total noob and I don't know anything. I literally don't. I've watched one of your streams where you played Doom Eternal. I thought you were a bit bad at it. - And I'm sure as well. - Yeah, no, it's fine. I acknowledge that I am a pro gamer. - You got a pro gamer here? Just wanna be judging you? - Now listen, listen to me. Here's the thing. - Okay, okay, okay.

- Killing with a PS4 controller is much different than using a scythe, okay? Just hear me out. Just hear me out, man. - The number of button inputs. - I'll take that. I'll take that excuse. I'll take it. - But I'm getting better. I'm trying. Every time that I play, I get just a bit better. And I must say, I would quit, but the thing is, it's such a rush, you know? Reminds me of the old days when I wasn't off hiatus. You feel me? - Right. - Is that what you played Doom, Connor? - Yeah, from my old days.

- Back in school and I was killing kids. - Oh my God. - Okay, so yeah, so let's hear like, yeah, explain to Connor. - I genuinely, I know very little only. - And I'm sure there's like a number of people watching this episode right now. - Yeah, there's a number of people watching. - Why is there an anime girl sitting in the seat? - So like in your own words, Callie, like explain what Hololive is and explain what VTubing is.

- Sure, okay, well let's see. I can go ahead and start with VTubing, I suppose. - Okay, sure. - Because HoloLive is a group that VTubes. So I suppose I'll go ahead and start from the very beginning. So a virtual YouTuber is basically just that, a YouTuber that is not necessarily

human necessarily, I guess, necessarily. A fictional. - Or 3D. - Or fictional 3D. - 3D. - Sometimes they are 3D. - I mean, I'm certainly real as far as I can tell. But essentially, I'm, I guess what many people say is a cute anime girl, right? I am a cute anime girl. - In layman's terms, yes. - We're gonna get out me like this. - A cute anime girl. And I do various things like I stream

And I suppose more specific to me is that I also make music. So yeah, that's kind of, I guess my thing. - And you make some good music at that. - Thank you. I appreciate that. - You are the God of spit and fire, that's for sure. - Thank you. - However you refer to it as. - Yes, spitting flames I think is what it is. I'm pretty sure that that's the name for it.

- Yeah, so I'm gonna jump right into it. What's your opinion of simps? - Wait, I thought we were gonna ask, do VTubers poop? Is that a real thing? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I didn't even ask that. - So do 2D anime girls poop? - That's a wonderful question. The truth is I don't actually know.

- Didn't expect that, all right. - I don't know about anime girls or VTubers, but I am death and death does not have to. So I can't actually answer your question. - Yeah, I was gonna say like, do you not know as in like you don't or you don't know as in like it just comes out without you knowing? - Certainly not that one. - Like you're not even aware that it's out. - I don't think it's that one.

- Back to your question about sims. - What's your opinion on sims? What's a VTuber's opinion on sims? - You mean shrimps? - Shrimps. - Oh yes, that's what the kids call them now. - I think that's what Gura calls them. - Yes. - Oh, yes. I think that is the term that humans today are using for supporters, avid supporters. I don't really, I don't know much. - That's a nice way of pointing out. - That's a very generous way to look at it.

All I know is that sometimes in chat when I'm streaming, they throw rainbows at me and I tell them to stop, but then they keep doing it. And the more that I tell them to stop, the more that they continue to do it. And I still don't really know how to handle it, to be honest. But I think everyone is very well-meaning and I'm happy for the support. - I've seen the clip of all those like Canadians, like bullying with the red clips as well.

- That sure did happen, huh? - And it's probably gonna happen again, let's be real. - I suppose you're right, huh? - So what I gotta ask is, when "Hololive English" got announced, on my end of things, and I've been following "Hololive" since kind of the beginning of the year, I had no idea how big "Hololive English" was going to become.

Were you expecting the response or like your fellow, your fellow Hololive English cast members? Would you, were you guys expecting the response that you got? - Well, it's interesting because I actually, we talked about this many times. We actually had no idea how we would be received, right? Because it's not like the five of us are the first English speaking girls that have done work with Hololive, right? I mean, there are several Hololive girls that are able to speak pretty good English. So we weren't sure because

- Audience? - Yes, exactly. An English group of VTubers would appeal to an English speaking audience because those who came before us have done well, of course, but it's not like we're all the same.

it's hard to tell because we're the first mainly English speaking, right? - Right, right, right. - So we basically had no idea is what I'm trying to say in my long winded explanation. It made absolutely no sense because I'm a bit of a scattered brain. Everyone knows this is my brain. - So like, did you like all the whole live English members, did you guys like meet beforehand? Like before all the reveals were happening?

- Oh, so you met each other like after you debuted? - No, we met before we debuted. - Right, right. - This has been, we were working together for a very long time beforehand, right? - Right, right. - And kind of getting to know each other. And I technically, yes, I got to meet the other girls, but before that, we were all just kind of,

shoved into the same room and it was like, "Hello, nice to meet you all of you. You're my teammates." - That's so weird. That's the equivalent of like getting a bunch of AniTubers you've never met being like, "All right, you're all starting a podcast tomorrow." It's like, "What? No." - Exactly. Well, it turned out okay because all of the other girls are very laid back and we all have personalities that work really well with each other. And it's never weird. We all like each other a lot. So that's cool. I suppose we just got lucky maybe.

Maybe that's what it is. We just got super lucky. - I mean, I think so. From what I've seen, all the whole life English members, they seem to work well. - You guys seem to work well together and you guys seem to have very distinct personalities as well. - Yeah, I know, I know, yeah. - What do you think of this, Connor? - It's good.

I feel like the- - I think you should be the one who needs to lead on with the question. - Why? What would I? You guys are the simps, right? - No, because you're the one right now who is representing everybody who wants to know more about whole life and VTubers. - What don't you know about VTubers? - Everything. I wanna know, when you started off streaming, was there any streamers out there, anyone who that you kind of really enjoyed who might've given you some inspiration to start VTubing?

to be honest um i actually didn't know anything about uh vtubing before i got into it right um but of course i started looking up to my senpai i suppose um and mostly just other members of hololive i would say right right yeah did you have to do like a lot of research before you really like debuted just just like make sure you knew what you were doing well it certainly wasn't required but um

but the way that I am, I get a little obsessed sometimes. So to say that before my debut, I didn't go watch maybe every single video that I could find of myself higher other YouTubers doing things. If I said that I didn't do that, that would be a lie. It would be untrue because I did. I definitely did that. - Are you able to name like any specific whole members that you like especially enjoy? I'm sure, I mean, you know, it goes without saying, I'm sure you enjoy everybody, right?

Yes. But like who, who especially do you enjoy? Like personally? Oh, let's see. Hmm. Good question. Well, I really always looked up to, um, probably,

probably a lot of the musical senpais, right? So for example, Azuki and Suisei-senpai and also Watame-senpai. - Do you know who any of those are? - It's like when people talk to me about anime directors, they're like, "Yeah, I love this anime director." I'm like, "You just said all the same names." I'm not trying to be like racist, but it all sounds the same to me. I'm so dumb. I'm like a Neanderthal, it just goes out. I'm sorry. - It's no worries at all.

- Okay, well then here's the thing, right? Then as a whole live member, who is a whole live member that you can like convincingly say Connor would get into? - Yeah, that's a good question. As a Neanderthal. - As someone who hasn't watched any VTubers. - My favorite streamer is Tyler1. Do you know Tyler1? - Yes, I am familiar. - Fantastic. - Believe it or not, I am. - Is there a Tyler1 equivalent in the whole world? - Gosh, well, let's see.

- It depends, I need to ask you first. What kind of content do you enjoy? - That's a broad question. - No, it's quite a broad question. Well, for example, do you like things like gameplay? Do you like FPS gameplay? - Yeah, I guess so, yeah. - Okay, do you like chaos? - He's a hardcore gamer. - Do you like chaotic people? - Yeah, I love chaotic people. - Then you should watch my friend Amelia, Amelia Watson.

- I think that'd be a good fit. - She's very, she loves- - She's got a lot of chaotic energy. - She's a bit of a toxic gamer. - That is Connor down to a 10. - I should have just said toxic gamer. - Yes, then Amelia would be perfect for you. - Yeah, 'cause I said on one podcast that I was gonna watch VTubers in every episode since they've been like, "So which ones did you watch Connor?" And I'm like-

- I don't know where to begin. - Right. - Yeah, I don't know. Do I just watch a stream? Where do I find them? - Well, at least with me, all I did was I just found one that kind of, I watched a couple,

until one just kind of clicked with me where I'm like, oh, okay, I can watch another clip of this particular feature. And then you just keep watching more and more clips and then you go back and watch some of their VODs. And then you're like, all right, who do they play with the most often? - There's like several layers to this, right? And like the top layer, right, of the rabbit hole is just finding like this random,

that appears in your timeline. - I see clips of the dog all the time. - Oh, Konami. - Oh, Konami-senpai. - Yeah, then like the second layer I would say is like getting some random YouTube recommendations, like certain clips. - I do, I get a lot of those. - Because trust me, you watch one VTuber clip and your recommended is just all VTuber clips. - Yeah, exactly. - Ah, yes. - It's like, I don't know what it is about VTuber clips that just, they just seem like they're designed to take over the YouTube algorithm. - Yeah. - 'Cause you watch one and then your feed is suddenly you're like full of them.

And then you're like, "Hmm, this clip sounds kind of interesting." And then you watch some and you're like, "Huh, that VTuber kind of clicks." You know? Like, "Oh, that clip was interesting. Let me go watch the whole VOD now." - Yeah, exactly. - That's always how it works. - All right, yeah. No, but I reckon Amelia would be best. - Okay, okay. - Sure, I probably, my recommendation would be watch her debut stream first. - Okay. - Very first stream that she ever did, right? So that she can introduce herself to you, et cetera.

And then after that, you can just dive right in. - Although to be fair, I've seen a lot of the whole live members who have changed greatly since their debut stream. - But that's part of the fun I think. - It's like seeing character development, right? IRL. Like I gotta ask you, how nervous were you for your debut stream? 'Cause I assume you didn't have any streaming experience before that.

And then going from like no streaming experience, like stream to such a large audience. - How many people were in your debut stream again? - I think that the peak number of viewers was 60,000. - Jesus Christ. - Holy shit. - Imagine going from zero to 60K. - Holy fuck.

- I mean, I think we all had like kind of- - I don't think, we've never reached- - Yeah, generally. - We've never reached those numbers in live streaming terms. - Right, right. I mean, I've had like live streams that were big, but nothing like that. And especially not on my first time. Is it kind of overwhelming to have to jump into this and start off with such a big amount? 'Cause like I said, we've all had really gradual rises over the years. - Right. - Is it daunting?

Even as a death god? - Right, well see here's the thing. When you're death, no one really sees you, right? - Yes. - I mean for the most part. Maybe you do see me, but not as I am now. - I think there's people you kill in Doom see it coming from a lot. - Oh, yeah. - Well I was hoping. - Oh, stand the purchase. - Oh, there it is, there's the guy who's gonna kill us. - Exactly. Well, I mean, if you think about it that way, going from yes, no one ever seeing me at all to suddenly all of these eyes on me, yeah, I mean,

It's a little scary. Yeah, for sure. I definitely was kind of losing my mind a little bit, to be honest. I was going a little nutso. But I wasn't going to show anyone that, especially not when I started turning into a PowerPoint slideshow because my computer wasn't strong enough to handle all of the applications open at the same time. That's when I especially started freaking out. So yeah, it was very nerve-wracking. But people were very

And they were very kind and I was surprised about that. I went in expecting an immediate barrage of hate and no kindness at all, believe it or not. - That is the internet. - That is the internet. - That's death, I'm prepared. I'm prepared for that. - Yeah. I mean, that's good though that you were at least positively received in front of 60,000 people. - So what made death wanna become a streamer? That's what I wanna know. - What a great question. Sometimes you just get tired of slaying people, man. I'll tell you what.

- I feel like I'm asking Dora why she keeps asking me questions. You know what I mean? I know it's an obvious thing, but like- - Why do you keep exploring? - Dora, what's up with that? - There's nothing more left to explore. - Dora, you know what that is. It's the number four, Dora. Don't ask me these stupid questions. - The best number. - You know you have to turn left. - I'm sorry. - It's all right. It's the best number indeed. Sorry, I got hung up on that. - Sorry, I interrupted you. I'm sorry. - It's okay, it's okay. Hmm, I mean...

What was the question? - What made you want to become a streamer? - Right. Yeah, so, I really just kind of got tired. I mean, as I mentioned, yeah, I got tired of slaying people, but also I had this feeling that maybe if I had more eyes on, I could have more eyes on maybe the things that I make, right? Like music, et cetera. Because slaying people is real fun. Don't get me wrong. I love it.

- But spitting bars is fun, right? - Exactly. If there's a different way that I can slay people, I'd like to try it. And honestly, I have more fun doing that. - Yeah, you kill people by setting their house on fire with all those flames. - Exactly, I kill them with the bass. - Lyrical slaying. - So in terms of music, do you do like everything on your own as well? Like are you experiencing all like the beat making and all that? 'Cause I'm fucking garbage at all of that. - Yeah.

- Connor's like mega monkey brain when it comes to music. - So I saw that you did a rap competition, right? And I think one of the people who got to the final was someone that we've done raps for. - Oh wow. - Like Joshua. - Yeah, yeah, a little remix competition for my debut song. - And I saw DJ Joe was in the top. - Yeah, DJ Joe was in there as well. - So we've done raps before, but I, so Joey actually, you write your own raps and perform them, right? - Yes.

- I'm so fucking terrible and I have no rhythm that I have to ask him to write it and then I have to ask him to record him doing it and then I'll mimic it. - Oh really? - Yeah, yeah. - You just basically got a cheat sheet. - Because even if they give me the rap, I actually don't know how to rap it. Like I'm reading these words. - You don't know the flow of it. - Yeah, I read it like a businessman reading an accounting page, you know? How do I do that? How do I get better? 'Cause I'm fucking terrible at all of this. - Well, I mean, interestingly enough, everyone starts out being F-wording terrible. Sorry, I really shouldn't curse.

- You can curse, it's all right. - I can? Is it okay? - That was totally good. - Okay, hold on. - She's gonna say it. She's gonna say it. - I can't do it on command. It'll come out, it'll come out, it'll slip out. But really everyone starts out bad. That's the truth. Even I started out very bad back in the day, back in the day. But, and that's why I was afraid to start repping actually because

Had already gotten so good at killing folks, right? Right? Why change your day job, right? Yeah, exactly I mean, I'm already good at this right? So why would I switch to something that I'm not good at or that I know I'm not skilled at um, right But I was so inspired I suppose by multiple people mostly in the underworld's rap scene I would say is very low-key and as you would expect They really inspired me a lot and I decided well, I might as well give it a try so I did and over time, uh

You get better. And even listening back to my old things, yeah, terrible. Garbage. Absolute garbage. Like, there's no sugar coating that. But, I mean...

The advice that I give is always the same cliche stuff that you hear all the time, but it worked for me. Listen, you just gotta keep going even if you suck. And if you suck, you keep trying because if you quit when you suck, that's a real shame because you stopped doing it and you suck, you still suck forever. - Yeah, I mean, I think the best advice you can give anyone to like learn any skill set is just to do it and just to try and- - Just keep trying. - Yeah, it's true when it comes to rapping and it's true when it comes to making YouTube videos and doing whatever.

- I definitely like the first couple of raps that I did for like Josh or like any other like collaborator that I did. I look back and I'm just like, man, that was a shit bar. - That's like me five minutes after I make anything. I'm like, God, that shit. - But the latest stuff I did, I was like, my boy spitting bars. - That's kind of fire though. - I'm still trying to make people forget that I once took parts in like the, what was it? The Yanny Tube. - Oh, can we show you gone rapping? - No! - Is that something, is that a real thing?

- Is there a thing that I can watch? - Yeah, so this is like a community thing that we used to do every year where it's called the AniTube cipher. - That's what it's called. - And basically it's like- - The anime cipher. - Yeah, the anime cipher. So like one person would find a beat, like a Creative Commons beat and then spit like an eight bar or 16 bar or whatever. And then they would tag another AniTuber

to be like, all right, now you have to like respond. - I'm getting- - I'm fucking leaving if we're getting this out now. - And so like, when was this? Like you did it like what, 2018? - 2016.

- 2017, I think. - 2017, I think. 2017 and 2018, I forgot which one it was, but that was the year where like the most amount of Vandashoopers did it. And of course, Garnt got tagged like 60 million times. And so he joined in and his bars though. - Were they fire? Were they flames? - No, they weren't. - I bet they were. - They weren't even an ember. They were not even, oh fuck. - I'll be the judge of that. - You can't move, Garnt. - You're trapped, you're trapped. I won't allow you to move. - I'm gonna head out right now.

- No! - Here we go. - Get it out! - Here we go. - Get it out! - Ha! - Wait, wait, God, God, shh. - Here we go. - We'll link it in the description as well, just in case you wanna hear the whole thing.

- My favorite bar was from Garnt was, what was it? It's like, it's that mother fucking tea. I've wiped that rap in my memory and I fucking hate everyone for mentioning that now. - We should do a bonus video where you react to all of our raps. I think that would be fun. - That would be fun, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, that sounds cool. I'm down. - I hate you all. - I am down. - I hate you all right now. - I gotta ask, as the death guard, do you have a favorite meme? - Mimi?

- Amimi, Meme, whichever you prefer pronunciation. I don't wanna die. - Gosh. - Can you kill me right now? I just wanna die. - I'm sorry I had to do that to you. - This is like the parent pulling out like the baby photos with the dick out. It's like, look how tiny his dick was.

- Sorry, sorry. Shouldn't talk about unsightly things around a death girl, sorry. - Oh, it's fine. You can talk about whatever you like. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, it's cool. - Were you nervous to debut your first song? - Oh yes, definitely. Well, because you all can tell I have, I'm very different sounding, right? I have a very interesting style.

- You certainly have a distinct like voice, like rapping voice, definitely. - For sure. So yeah, I was pretty nervous. I didn't know how people were going to receive it, right? So that was a big worry. I thought that there would be a lot of backlash against it for whatever reason. I also just hold myself to a really, really high standard. So listening back to my rap again, I was like, is this really any good?

- I don't know. - To be fair though, you set it up really nicely because like you kind of like hinted like during your stream, 'cause I remember I was watching your debut stream again yesterday and you debuted your first song on the debut stream. - Yeah. - Right. - And like, I think the way you like kind of set yourself up being like, you know, oh, I'm just like, you know, trying this rap thing. And then the song starts and people are like, all right, well, you know, she sounds nervous. I'm not gonna expect like the most amazing rap, but it's still gonna be cute anyway.

And then three seconds later, you're just like spitting like it's insane flow. And I'm just like, holy shit. - Yeah, you gotta lower those expectations first, am I right? - Exactly. Like if you had set yourself up being like, yeah, yeah, I can rap. - I'm the shit. - Yeah. - That's hostile. - Yeah, then it would have been like, all right, but I think you went into it really nicely. - Thanks. - Okay, yeah, so I wanna know as like a person who also likes his rap music,

Do you wanna give any shout outs, I guess, or like mention any like- - Or like your influences or anything like that? - Yeah, the influences basically. Like Japanese or like Western rap. - Oh, sure. Yeah, absolutely. Well, let me think about it because a lot of my favorites are definitely under the radar, I would say. - Who would you say is like the most well-known out of your favorites? - In terms of like the Japanese rap, I wonder. Hmm. I feel like...

- I mean, I think on the broader scale of things like to a Western audience, not a lot of people know a lot of Japanese rappers, right? - Right, yeah. - I'd say probably the most well-known Japanese rapper might be like Shingo too. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. - Who did like, do you know Shingo too? - I do not know Shingo too. - Okay, you know the Samurai Champloo opening?

- He's the guy who did all the stuff with New Jibes basically. - You gotta explain things to me in anime terms. - He's the guy who did the Samurai Jam 4. - So he's probably like the most well known in like the Western anime community maybe. But like, 'cause I don't even know a whole lot of Japanese underground rap either. But like, what about like Western rappers? - Let's see. I feel like all the Western rappers that I like are very,

how do I say, very obvious sort of like, - Like Tupac? - Yeah, of course, of course. But like my favorite is of course, Eminem, which is very, the very obvious answer. - I know that one. - Every white guy when you ask them what their favorite rap is. - Exactly, that's exactly what I mean, exactly. Yes, and of course Snoop Dogg. - Oh yeah, of course. - Of course I am. - Like his memes.

- Yeah, you do get some quality may-may's from that, right? - Is that the pronunciation? - I thought that that's what it was. Is that not what it was? - I thought it was when I was like 10. - Oh, okay, okay. How's the right way to say it? - Meme. - Meme. - Meme. - Meme. - I'm getting mixed signals here. Hold on.

- All right, I think I get it. Memes. - There you go, there you go. - Noted, noted. Thank you for teaching me. - Then do you have a favorite Calliope meme? - Wow, I've seen so many of them floating around. Let's see. - Do you hang around on like the Hololive subreddits and everything like that? Do you see them? - Oh yes, I check them. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I don't react or anything, but I'm watching.

- I'm watching you guys. - Everyone on the subreddit is like, "All right, it's time." - They're like, "Ah, shit." - Get the fresh memes. - And then there are plenty of them, they're like, "Ah, shit, oh fuck, oh no." Yeah, well, hmm, let's see. There is one, I mean, I like a couple of the reaction images. There's one that I always remember where they turned my face red and they put lights in my eyes. - Oh yeah. - And they shoot out and it's really quite scary and frightening and I'm like, "I like that."

- Is that the one with like the screen? - Is that the deep fried meme? - Yeah, that's the one. - Yeah, I like that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's good. - So like you do like a lot of types of streams, right? I mean, I've seen you do like drinking streams and obviously doom and just Q and A's. What's like your favorite type of stream to like kind of do and what's like kind of like some of the favorite content that you've made so far?

- That's a tough one. Recently, the only time that I have to play games, right, is when I stream. So those are always quite fun because I get to relax and play a video game with chat, which is cool. But let's see. I also really like the streams where I can just talk 'cause it's fun just talking to chat or talking about what's going on with me, et cetera.

I never really run out of things to talk about, which is something that I always think is going to happen, right? - Yeah, yeah. - I always think, oh man, I didn't come up with some kind of outline. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know what's gonna happen if I have nothing to talk about, right? - That's literally this podcast. - Yeah, exactly. Somehow, some way, I always come up with things to talk about.

I don't know how it happens, it just does. And then if I crack open a bottle of wine, it's even better. - Yeah, exactly. I mean, like people always wonder like, why do you guys like drink so often on the podcast? Because otherwise we'd just be like,

- I feel like we haven't drank that much. - We haven't drank that much recently, but I feel like anytime, I don't know why, anytime you stream and you're like drinking alcohol, people are always afraid that, you know, people will go like mum mode where they're like, oh, you seem like you're drinking a bit too much. - You better watch yourself. - It's like, yes, mother, I am. - This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phone.

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It's like, glad you guys care, you know? Yeah. But don't worry, we can handle our drink. Yeah. I get a lot of people telling me I gotta hydrate. Hydrate. I know! I know.

- I know. - Alcohol is hydration. - It's a fluid. - Yeah, sure, sure. That's how it works for sure. Yeah, that's definitely how it works. So keep drinking and don't stop, please. Please, please don't. - Okay, so like you obviously watch like all, you know, your fellow whole live members, right? - Yes. - But is there any non whole live YouTubers you like watching? - Oh, that's a great question. Hmm, let's see.

There are plenty of Indies that I just casually go and check out every once in a while. I would say right but For the most part the the VTubers that I really enjoy like their content, etc I I would have to say our musicians So I check out their music and that kind of thing or like watch their shows and concerts I actually don't watch a ton of actual streams, I guess because I'm just very I'm very busy. Oh

I'm so busy all the time and it's hard. Sometimes I'll have something on in the background while I'm trying to do more work and that kind of thing, but it's not always a stream, you know? - Right. - Yeah, and I'm also very picky. I don't stick around in streams for a long time actually. I never really watched them start to finish. - Right, right, right. Yeah, so like what's the life of a VTuber like? Like what does your typical day look like when it comes to like your VTuber work and everything like that? - Right.

- Of course, as I've mentioned before to many, many know that I work three jobs in my existence. - Which is absolutely crazy when I found that out. - Yeah. - I work one job and I'm like, fuck man. Holy shit, you know. - I mean, yeah, it'd be like that.

I mean, on the daily, I'm swinging my scythe around. I have those scythe swinging lessons, right? They're real important. And I have to do them. I can't just stop doing them. It's not something, even, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter how successful I am or how many souls I've taken, et cetera, how many rainbows chat has thrown at me. That's something that I can't get out of ever, for a while. Right. But I do those and then I come back to my apartment and I stream.

- How you have the energy to stream after that is just beyond me. - Here's the interesting thing about what you just said is that I don't have energy.

- Now that's where the wine comes in. - Exactly. - That's why you do so many drinking streams. - Oh, it makes so much sense. - So that was a fucking lie. - No, because it's insane. It's not just like you, but there's so many Hololive members, especially, and other VTubers who can just stream for like, I already have trouble streaming for more than two hours. - Yeah. - Right?

extremely way more relaxed in my streams than I am on like the show or like my YouTube videos. And I still can't maintain, like after two hours, I'm like, I actually like can't even,

I don't act like I'm relaxed anymore. Like I actually have to just be off camera now. - I know on a previous episode that I said, oh man, I hope the cut is fair, but, and that makes it sound even more like the cut isn't fair, but the whole life people over there assured me. - Watching closely. - He was like Connor is very mean what you said, the cut is good I assure you. And yeah, it's all good. Just saying I found out it's good. - It's all fine. - They don't work two jobs 'cause they're broke. - It's because I have to.

- Because they can. - Am I allowed to say that? Is that good? Can we leave it? All right, sick. - Sick, okay. Sorry, I just wanted to say that. - Yeah, of course. - No, it's all good. - Okay, one thing I've always wondered with like a lot of like the whole life members, but it's about like how you guys see yourselves because you guys are technically virtual idols, right? - I guess so, huh? - Yeah, but do you see yourself as an idol? You know, when you...

When you debuted and get all these simps and donations and everything, how do you view yourself as a public figure? - Wow, to be honest, I'm still trying to figure it out because it happened about a month ago, right? - Right. - I suppose.

All that I can say is I actually, before all of this, when I was just doing underground things in the underworld rap scene, I kind of stuck up my nose a bit at idols, I suppose. I had this attitude of, oh, there's this whole industry built around worshipping these people that are supposed to be more than human, right? Can't imagine. When they're not.

Yeah, right. God's like, yeah, pull the 10 on Gatcha. And I really kind of stuck up my nose like, oh, I'm so much better than them. I'm no idol. I'm not an idol rapper. I'm an underground rapper, that kind of thing. But then after actually getting into the industry, and actually, no, it was before that. I guess I will give a small shout out, I suppose, to the indie...

not necessarily indie VTuber, but one VTuber that kind of changed my mind about idols is she's really under the radar, I think. Her name is Milky Queen. And she's like a rice-themed VTuber. She speaks fluent English and Japanese. And we kind of became friends. And she really changed my mind about idols because she's so down-to-earth and kind and an incredible singer and talented.

And I saw that the activities that she was doing and I went to her events where she was doing like, what is the, the gotcha events? Um, there are big competitions that VTubers do to get like sponsorships and that kind of stuff. Um, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, got got your events. It's called, it's called got gotcha eBay.

- What are those about? - I'm not totally sure. It's on some application. - Let's go back to the gotcha. - I think it's a different meaning though. It's different than that kind of gotcha. But you do events to like compete for sponsorships and there's this whole other culture that I don't know anything about, but I saw how hard she was working. - It's like a tournament office sponsorship. - Yeah, kind of like that, but they stream, they stream. And it's like whoever gets the most stuff thrown at them in this application, I probably can't mention. - I really need that first prize, raise shadow legend.

- Right, yeah, that's sponsorship. - Excuse me, I'm a diamond ranked gacha player. I'll have you know.

- My part is called a whale, but no, no, I'm a challenger tier. - I'm not a whale, I'm a diamond league gacha player. - I'm a professional challenger tier gacha player, I hope you know. - I kind of love that. Yeah, it was like she competed against a bunch of other VTubers and they were competing for like, to be the image girl of a restaurant or something. - So how would you compete? - By streaming and,

you stream at the same time as some of these other VTubers and it's like whoever gets, I think the most stuff thrown at them. There's an application I probably shouldn't even talk about or mention, but there's a place where they do that. - It's just like a donation wall. - Exactly. - It's a donation. It's a simp tournament guys.

- Which by the way, I will state, Hololive has nothing to do with this, by the way. This is just something I know as me, Calliope the Death God from what I've been watching. - Surely that must have more stress to streaming, right? - Right, exactly. - Streaming's already pretty stressful, adding that kind of, these boys are fucking dying here. I'm trying to find, oh man. - I kind of love that though, to be honest. - That's a new meme on the subreddit coming up.

- Holy shit. - That's super interesting. - I didn't wanna go to those so bad, holy shit. - Well, that was kind of my first exposure to be honest to the whole VTuber thing. I didn't really understand it and I watched her things, right? And I guess, I suppose back,

Getting back to the idol thing, right? I kind of had these ideas about what idols were really like, but I realized watching her stuff, she works so hard and she's talented and kind and humble and other idols can be like that too. Whoa, no way. No wonder so many people like them. And then I realized I was being a jealous little hoe.

And now it's fine. So it's no problem. So you're like, you dropped this queen. Yeah, exactly. So ever since then, I've had no problems or weird feelings like that anymore. I've just kind of rode into the whole idol thing with a lot of respect for my fellow idols and all the hard work that they're doing. And my mind completely changed, which is something doesn't

- I mean, you are an idol now, right? - It would be kind of weird if I was shitting on myself. - I'm curious, 'cause obviously as an idol, there's always a lot of, like you said, worshiping going on. Do you get a lot of people obviously trying to worship you to an extent that's uncomfortable? Is that something you ever have to deal with? - Well, I feel like for their sake, I try my best not to get uncomfortable

Because I know how that is to really, really admire someone, but you don't want to make them uncomfortable. - We've been there before. - And I feel like people mostly have like really good intentions. I like to believe that most people have good intentions. - You can tell when someone has the bad intentions coming up to you, right? - Yes, oh, for sure, for sure.

- Yeah, obviously like you said as well, you were an underground rap god before. Is it frustrating when people try to focus on what you were before? - Oh, for sure. Yeah, I get real sick of that, to be honest. Even sometimes when I just, I stop streaming and I go down to the underground, the underground cypher or whatever, and I'll go spit some bars, I still get some assholes coming up to me being like, "Hey, hey, so how's the VTuber thing going on?" And I'm just kind of like, "Come on, man."

- It's good, thank you for asking. - It's good, thank you, thank you. And it's kind of like, I like what I'm doing now. And I want things to just kind of stay this way and have those fond memories of the past as well. And just kind of live, I don't mind living in those two different ways, I suppose. - Yeah, I mean, it sounds like you like trying to do a lot of different things and like, you know, doing this VTuber thing is just another path on like another skill that you're,

trying out. Right, exactly. Are you enjoying it as much as you thought you would or did you even think about that when you wanted to become a VTuber in the first place? Well, to be honest, when I auditioned, I honestly didn't think that I was ever going to get in at all. So I never thought that far.

Really. But, hmm, I don't really, I don't know if I can say if one way was more fun than the other. There are different kinds of fun, right? So it's kind of like that. And I don't mind, I don't mind those two existences being, being,

How do I say it? I'm bad at words. In case you couldn't tell, the rapper reaper is bad at words. But yeah, I don't mind them being parallel. Just don't be an asshole is all I'm gonna say to you. Just don't be an asshole. - Yeah, I like that. - Be normal. You can enjoy- - You can be parallel, don't be an asshole. - Exactly. - So you said you didn't know much about VTubers before you became one. So what made you want to audition to become one in the first place?

Well, let's see. I do think... I mentioned this story briefly before on stream, but I had some other Reaper mates who also were looking into the HoloLive thing, and were talking about it. And I just kind of... I listened in, and I was like, oh, okay, okay. Sounds interesting. I'm getting sick of swinging my scythe around all the time. And what's interesting, though, is that...

I kind of, I kind of didn't, I kind of didn't say anything when I auditioned to those friends. I didn't, I was just kind of, Oh, I'll just give it a shot. Cause I didn't think I was going to get in. I thought that they had way better chances than me. And so I was like, well, okay, I'll just do it. I'll just do it for, for shits and giggles. Right. Just for fun. Um, and then I, about midway,

- And then about midway through, before we even heard anything, before things even got moving, I got real guilty. So I told my friends, I said, "Hey, listen, look, I didn't, I went ahead and I auditioned for the thing that you guys, yes, just so you know, I'm not trying to be slimy or anything before things start popping off, right? Just letting you know what's up." And it was all cool. - So you betrayed your friend.

- No, no, no, it's not like that. - No wonder you have to drink to get the sorrows of betraying your friends. - Listen. - So what was their reaction when they found out that you got in? - I mean,

- You know, the good news is they were very happy for me. - Yeah, yeah. - That's how you know you have good friends. - I'm so fucking happy for you. - I think it was genuine though. I think, but I get what you mean. I get what you mean for sure. - I mean, yeah, you're friends, right? You must've known there was like a slight bit of like, I'm so happy for you.

- I mean, we still talk and we still cheer for each other. So I like to hope that things are still cool with them. - On your pile of money. - Oh my God. - I imagine you have to buy the first few rounds of drinks. - I'm sure that I will. I'm sure that I will have to whenever it is that we reunite in the underworld.

- So I guess like, what is your, I guess, you know, you've only been doing this for a month now, right? And I assume that you're planning to do this for the foreseeable future. - Yes, for a while, yeah. - For a while. Like, is there any like immediate goals you're looking towards as- - Oh gosh.

- Tell us your five year plan. - Where do you see yourself in five years? - Oh man, wow. - Miss eternal death God. - Well, let's see. Well, think about it this way. I've lived a long existence. So, you know, five years is like to me what the second is to you. So it's all good. For me, basically, there are many things that I have on my list. So for example,

I want to release an album. Oh, yeah. Full album. And then I don't know if I will ever be able to get a 3D body. It would be nice. I can't promise anything and I don't know anything. But...

but it would be nice if I did. And at that time I'd like to release some kind of EP for that. That would be cool. - Are you listening Hololive staff? - Hey guys. - She wants a 3D. - I just realized like, I don't think anyone in the EN side has had their 3D debut yet. - No, not yet. - Like we said, they've only been debuted like a month ago. - I always forget that. - I always forget that. - I'm like, yeah, Hololive has been around since the beginning. - They just become so comfortable with their simping.

that they're just like, "Yeah, I'm ready to do this for life." - It's like, "Shit, I've been sipping for only a month, what the fuck?"

- We're in this for the long run everyone, maybe. - That's gonna be really interesting though when that gets debuted. - I think so for sure. I have no idea what even to expect, but then again, I didn't for this job either. So, hey, looking forward to it if it ever happens. - Yeah, 'cause I mean, like it's still fucking crazy that it's just been a month. What was your opinion of VTubers like before you auditioned and everything like that? - VTubers?

- Yes. - Or YouTubers. Okay, okay. - Or just like online content creators and everything like that. - Okay, well, I never thought it was something I could do because as I've mentioned before, I wouldn't say that I'm a shy person because I can talk well in conversation, but I'm very much an introvert. So I don't talk to people unless they talk to me, right? It's that kind of thing. I don't approach others and I like being alone. And sometimes I get real sick of folks. You guys are fine.

- I just wanna clarify real quick. It just depends mostly like party situations and that kind of people, right? You just kind of want people to fuck off and leave you alone after a while. - I mean, to be fair, I'm like, I don't mind the occasional party every day, but could I go to one every day? No. - Nah, exactly. You get kinda tired after a while. - I know you can't go. - And so I also am not,

Gosh, I've gotten used to talking, but I'm not really, I'm not a being that really enjoys. It's not that I don't enjoy it. I'm bad at talking about myself and I have a hard time talking about myself without getting a little flustered, I guess. So for this job, I thought, wow, I feel like you have to have, there has to be a certain level of not just confidence, but like ability to talk about yourself and well about yourself, I guess. So I just don't,

I'm not sure if I knew if that was for me or not. I've been very unsure about it. I really didn't have any streaming experience at all. - I mean, I've always said that YouTubers are like, like the best YouTubers are always the most narcissistic, right? Like you have to love yourself quite a bit, I feel, in order for you to be confident enough to be on camera, to be like, look at me and look how awesome I am. - I would say that it is a skill that you have

half you can learn. And I mean, it's- - Yeah, but I'm talking about like the most like naturally talented. - Oh yeah. - Right, right. - They can just go and be like, "Hey guys, hit that like and subscribe button." Et cetera, you know, like that really kind of outward. - Like no one says that on their daily life, right? - No, no. - Like anything of that sort. - I mean, I think- - You can learn to do that after years, but-

- The people who can just like come immediately onto the scene and just look like they've been doing it for like, you know, five, 10 years. - Honestly, I've been doing this for 10 years and it's still like, it's still, I still die inside a little bit when I say like and subscribe. - Yeah, it hurts, doesn't it? - I hardly ever say to my own videos. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And like, I'm like, I can't do this for every video. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - I wonder then off of that saying that like they hate doing that, is there something that you don't like about being a VTuber or?

- Oh wow. - Like there's gonna be something that's like grind your gears. - Oh sure, sure, absolutely. Well, gosh, I mean, let's see. Sorry the list is just- - Your manager's sitting over there sweating. - Yeah, I know, right? I see him over there. He's like, "Ah shit, oh fuck, oh no." I mean,

I feel like most of the issues that I have always end up being with myself for whatever reason. Like, "I could do this better." - That's not the answer we want. - I know it's not, I know it's not. I'm thinking. - I just know perfect enough. - I know, I'm thinking. - That's like the job interview answer you give whenever like- - Oh gosh.

- When you're in a job interview and someone asks you, what are your flaws? I'm like- - I work too hard. Gosh, I work too- - I'm just such a hard worker and I'm a perfectionist. - I work too much, I never sleep. Yeah, exactly. Well, let's see. If I'm to be honest, let's see. I mean, obviously sometimes, you know, chat, you know, they mean well and I love my chat. - Listen, there are people and some people are assholes. - Yeah, you get assholes everywhere. - It's okay to say that. - Yeah, exactly. And you know, people tricking me into saying things

I don't like it. All right, listen, listen, I understand that you support me. Go fuck yourself. Please don't, please stop. Can you stop it? Can you, just can you stop? Tell someone to go fuck themselves, right? Yeah. I mean,

I mean, I'm trying so hard to be entertaining and for all of us to have fun together, right? And you're just trying to shit on my day and everyone's day. It's rude. It's fucking rude. You tell them, man. You drop this, queen. Sorry, going off. Going off. Gotta get the angry face going, right? This is my sad face. Looks like I'm in pain. I'm sorry. Excuse me. Sorry. Now I'm blushing. Hang on just a moment. I have to adjust myself. Okay, yeah, fuck you. Fuck you.

- I'd raise my knock at Yubi if I could, but I can't right now. - Oh, brilliant. I'm happy we got that moment. - Yeah. - There's gonna be plenty of- - I'm changing my face. - You're changing my face. - You're gonna change my face. - You won't like me when I'm angry. Hold up, hold up. Let me just get angry. - Yeah. There's also some other stuff that pisses me off in terms of like technical difficulties and whatnot, because I was under the impression that I was doing a pretty decent job, right? But you know,

In the beginning, my PC specs are fine. They're still pretty shit. But eventually they got better stuff. And there's a lot of feedback about stuff that I can't change. And I know it's my job to take it and do what I can with it. And we did that. But there gets to a point where you just kind of shut the fuck up. - Yeah, oh my God.

- Can we tell the story, Joey? I mean, it was eventually gonna come up anyway. - Okay, so I had ordered a new PC build. Like I bought everything. I got Joey to buy the exact same one. - Yeah, 'cause I needed an upgrade too. - And so we ordered the 380 graphics card, which is the new one. I don't know if you're familiar with any of this stuff. - Yes, yes, yes, now I am. Oh, believe me, chat made sure I know. - So we ordered it and it got delayed. So when I was building Joey's new PC for him, 'cause he didn't know how to build it. - To preface, Joey has like the most jank setup you'd ever expect from a professional YouTuber.

he fucking streams and edits on one screen. One screen. - Oh man. - How do you do that? - What a monster. - The manager's looking at me like I killed a puppy. - He's like, "What?" - I try working on one screen, I'm like, "Why am I blind in one eye?" You know what I mean? That's how I feel when I have one screen to work with. - He's a professional in all senses of this job. - I've been doing this for almost eight years now.

- And I'm like, how'd you read the comments? It's like, oh, I just popped up. - Do you have two monitors? - Old Tab is my friend. - Do you have two monitors? - I have four. - Joey, come on, come on, come on, man. - So I was building Joey's new PC and obviously the 380 hadn't arrived yet. So I said, don't worry, Joey, we'll just take the old one out of your PC, right? - 'Cause I had a 980 in my old one. - And you know when you have a new graphics card, they have like little rubber pieces in the HDMI and the display port, right? They were still in on Joey's thing and I thought, oh,

"Did you put them back in Joey?" He was like, "No." And I'm like, "Did you ever take these out?" And he was like, "No, I never took them out." So Joey for five years, Joey for five years used a 980 graphics card that was plugged in, powered, and never used it. - He was still using the Intel CPU graphics card. - He plugged this one HDMI monitor into his fucking motherboard.

- Oh my God, dude. - He's a professional YouTuber. - Dude. - So basically when we pulled out this like dusty old thing. - It was so dusty. - It was never been used for five years. - So basically it was the dustiest brand new 980 that you'll ever see. - Oh my God.

- I have no idea how he didn't have problems with like streaming or editing videos. - Yeah, it's pretty nuts. - That's what you get for like just playing anime games. - Honestly dude, like A, I only play retro games and B, I'm a console player, right? So like I've never had to deal with like graphics card or any of that kind of shit, but I guess now I do. - So no, it doesn't matter how bad you are. - Joey, Joey. - He's crying. - All the live staff members crying on stage.

- Jerry for five years had a graphics card that he did not use. - I never used it. - And this isn't like Jerry built it, it's pre-built. - But that's the problem, right? Was A, because like every computer I've used up on like my entire life, because my dad worked in IT for like fucking 30 years, right? He never taught me any of this shit.

- Oh my God. - He would just set this shit up for me because I remember like, I remember like when I was- - You're like the boomer grandma. - I know, I know. - I'm literally one step away from like, how does email work? - I get that. - Yeah, so like, I never like, I never PC game like my entire life. Like I've always been console only, like ever since I was a kid. And it's only recently I started PC gaming, right?

- Because of this guy. - Yeah, because of like, you know, all my friends and whatnot. So, and especially like when streaming came into the image because like I couldn't stream in Australia, right? Like my upload speed, do you know- - That's what I've heard. - Yeah, do you know how, do you know what my upload speed was in Australia? - Tell me. - 0.4. - Come on, man, that can't be real. - 0.4 meg. - You can't stream on that. - I couldn't stream. - Oh, jeez. - I streamed for like an NES emulator and it was still lagging. - What? - Yeah, I couldn't stream, right? So of course, because,

I had this garbage computer with this garbage internet. PC gaming was just completely out of the option for me. And so when I moved here and I was like, oh my God, I can actually stream. It's like coming back to the 21st century. Yeah, it was like, oh my God, upload speeds that are more than a megabyte. Holy shit. And then, yeah, I just never used my graphics card. Basically, I was an absolute clown about it.

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I don't know what it is. - Oh, for sure. - GameCube for me, I'm a GameCube boy. - I'm really sad that like, even the GameCube, there are like some of my favorite games of all time are GameCube games and yet I never run to GameCube. - What? - Yeah. - How did you enjoy them? - Because I had a childhood friend who I used to go to his house like three times a week. And he was that one friend who clearly had like a really rich dad.

- Yeah, yeah. - Or like a dad who like worked in like the gaming industry, like the tech industry and he just had like all the consoles. - You knew that someone had a rich dad when they owned more than one of the consoles. - Yeah, right. - Right, wait, you can be a GameCube kid and a PlayStation 2 kid as well? Like how does that work? - And almost always for some reason, that one kid always has like a fucking like projector as well. Like on the wall, I'm like, what do you use this for? - It's like to play games. - It's like, I have like a shitty CRT TV that I play games on.

I really liked the GameCube and I got a super cheap when I was a kid 'cause obviously it bombed so hard. They were basically like giving it away with tons of free games. I fucking loved it. I played the shit out of Sonic Riders. That was terrible.

- For me though, my favorite is still the Super Nintendo. Just 'cause I'm like a hardcore retro head. - I really wanna get a Neo Geo. - Neo Geo? - But they're so expensive. They're like 700 bucks to get one and all the games are like really, like getting any Metal Slug game is like 300 bucks. - It honestly would be cheaper to just get like a arcade cabinet of Metal Gear. Not Metal Gear, Metal Slug. - I love Metal Slug. It's my favorite light game series ever. - What are your favorite games? - Oh gosh, let me think.

I've got quite a few. Oh, yeah, for sure. You've got to love it. Football manager 12. Yeah, throwing the ball for the three-pointer. Yeah, I love my football. No, let's see. Actually, though, I really...

I have a wide range of games that I enjoy, but right off the top of my head, some of my classic favorites, I would have to say one of my favorite games ever is Bloodborne. I love Souls games. Hell yeah. Because let me tell you something real quick. I suck shit at Doom. I get that. But get me into any Souls game. We'll have some fun. Listen. Have you streamed any yet? I can't. I can't, unfortunately. But, you know, maybe someday. We're

working on it. Who could say what will happen in the future? I really want to play Bloodborne with Ina because she is familiar with the Cthulhu stuff. - Oh yeah, yeah. - As you may know. - I like Bloodborne because it's the only software game that I actually could finish. - Yeah. - Like I've never been able to finish a Dark Souls game. - I know if I. - Have you played Sekiro? - Oh yeah, for sure. - Did you like that? - Yeah, I loved it. - I fucking loved that game.

- I still haven't played it though. - It's so good but it's so fucking hard. - Yeah, that one gave me some trouble honestly. For me in terms of like, I guess skill at the games, I would probably say Bloodborne is the one that I can pretty easily do. After that Dark Souls a little more difficult but I can get through them. Sekiro is like the most difficult. - Yeah, I've heard Bloodborne is like the more difficult one. - I thought it was easier. - It depends on what play style I think you like. - Yeah, because like Dark Souls, what makes Dark Souls so like tough for people is that it's,

you really have to be patient. Like Bloodborne, you can kind of just like run in. - Right, and you're rewarded by going in and being proactive. - Yeah, exactly. But with Dark Souls, if you run in, you're immediately dead. - That's why I like Doom, man. You literally are just rewarded for just being like a monkey. - I didn't realize that until I started playing it,

And I was like, "Oh, I see what kind of game this is." - And then Sekiro was like the combination of Bloodborne and Dark Souls, right? It requires the patience of Dark Souls, but if you want to and you're skilled enough, you can just run it. - Exactly. - Now that we're on this topic, I gotta ask, do you care about your stories in your video games or do you skip all the dialogue? - Are you just a gameplay gal?

It depends on the story, to be honest. It takes a lot to get me invested in a story. It has to have something really special. I think otherwise, I'll skip everything if I just enjoy the gameplay. It really depends. For example, I really liked...

Bloodborne's very subtle lore, I would say. I enjoyed that aspect of it. - You're the 1%, by the way. - Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, I guess. But I liked the subtle storytelling. It just depends, is I guess the basic answer that I would give. - So the game boots up, right? The first cut scene plays. You'll always give the first cut scene a chance? - Yeah, yeah, I would say so. - Or you just immediately skip. - Oh, wow, okay. - Every single time. I'm like, I wanna get in the damn game. Stop fucking making me watch shit. - Okay, I see.

- And I'm like, oh, there's an hour cut scene before I can play the game. Fucking brilliant. - I was going to get a PS4 to get Death Stranding, but when I heard there was like a movie at the end. - Oh yeah, the final cut scene was two hours long. - I was like, I'm okay, I don't want that. - I mean, Death Stranding sounds like the worst game you could possibly play because even the gameplay is not really gameplay. It's just walking. It's a walking simulator, right?

That's what I've heard. That is the word on the street. I personally haven't played it yet. - That's the only reason why, like I love my story-based games. Don't get me wrong. Like JRPGs, I'm like fucking all over that shit. But when I heard that the last cut scene for Death Stranding was two hours long and you can't skip it, I'm just like, Kojima, why? You should have just made a movie. That's the thing, Death Stranding isn't a game. It's just a movie with a game attached to it. That's basically what I was, Kojima's like, I want to make a movie. People are like, no one's gonna watch that. It's like, but what if I put a game in it?

- I think that when you find the balance, it's perfect. For example, the game that I really wanna play on stream but I can't right now is Ghost of Tsushima. - Oh, it's such a good game. - I fucking love that game. It's so good. I've never been obsessed with the game in so long. - That is the perfect mix of story and gameplay. - I wish life was as beautiful as what it is, but how it's portrayed in Ghost of Tsushima.

- Dude, I still really wanna go to Tsushima. - Same, same. - I'm a PC gamer, and I'm like everything but console. I used to be like addicted to Xbox, but then,

- You still don't own a PlayStation, do you? - No, no. - I'll get a PS5. - It's sad. - I'll get a PS5, it's fine. - Well, you don't. - Probably not, probably not, to be honest. I mean, I have a Switch that I barely play. - Right. - Yeah. - I bought a lot of games for Switch that have just been unopened. - Really? - So I'm like, "I'm gonna play that. "I'm gonna play it one day. "I'm gonna do it." And I never do.

'Cause then I'm just like, all right, boot up League of Legends again and be depressed for another hour. - So to contrast Joey's Virgin Gamer setup, what is your setup to when you stream your games and stream and be a VTuber, I guess? - Okay, well, basically, so far, here's basically how my journey has gone with streaming games. So from the beginning out the gate, despite having bought a quote unquote gamer laptop,

A so-called gamer laptop. - Nothing said to cringe down my spine. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they call it, right? When you stroll into the store and you're like, I need something kind of high spec for what I want to do, right? You walk in there like, let me show you. And they take you over to the gamer, yeah, exactly. Well, I needed something that would suit my needs for doing my animation freelance. So I told them what I needed and they said, well, how about this gaming laptop? And I said, I kind of like games.

I kind of like games. That's how they get you. Okay. Well, I'll get this gaming laptop. It's a true gamer girl, right? Yeah. And I can play games on it and I can animate. So I buy it. And then I realize, yeah, I can kind of play games on it at like a medium quality, but can I stream them? Oh, fuck no.

- Yeah. - Oh, I cannot do that. And I realized very quickly that that wasn't going to work, especially for this line of work, right? - Yeah. - So before that, I was just using, I guess, what is a game capture device that I route to my television screen.

and then I read it into the laptop and it's able to capture it perfectly, perfectly fine. Though when I'm playing on my console, because obviously if I'm using a console, it's not as much of a problem on my computer while I'm trying to stream, et cetera. But I recently, to fix that, because of course playing Doom on PS4 has been something else. I tell you what, with the PS4, it's just been something else.

I decided, you know, we'd try and get like a, okay, a new PC. And I received one, I received one. I was very fortunate. And so I set it up and then I realized, I thought to myself, okay, great, I can play PC games. And then I set it up and I realized, ah, my apartment is so small. I actually don't have any space for the mouse or the keyboard. So my mouse set up, my mouse is currently sitting on top of the, what is it? The tower, the rectangle, the powerful rectangle that is, I guess, the computer. - Are you serious? - Oh my God.

- My mouse is on top of it and I move it about two inches and then I have to pick it up and put it back and then move it another two inches to try and get to where I need to go. - What? - The mouse to where I need it to go across four monitors, right? Imagine, imagine just a crouched goblin sitting on the floor

with a chair on the floor, a desk on the floor, surrounded by four monitors with my mouse on top of the tower that is my computer. - We need to get you a new cardboard box, I think. - Yeah, for real. - The cardboard box size you got right now is not big enough. - Well, unfortunately, you know, when I try, I try to put the mouse somewhere else, but then I realize, ah, my bed is there. There's no room for anything in my room. Well, the good news is though, I've already mentioned this before on stream. I'm moving, I'm moving.

- Hell yeah. - So now the new place is much bigger, new desk, new setup. I'm finally going to be able to play PC games. I'm very excited. - You can finally get your gamer chair. - Yes! - Like a true gamer girl. - Yes, a true gamer girl. - I was about to say like, the Sims are probably hearing this being like, "Don't worry, queen, we got you." - We got you. - We need a new apartment, we'll get that for you, queen. - Desk fun. - You accept card? - Oh my gosh. - Open super chat. - Here comes the rainbow.

It's raining down. Goodness gracious. - I imagine if you're trying to find a new apartment in Japan, you'd hope that like the realtor was a simp so that, you know, they'd probably make getting a house in Japan a little easier. I don't know, have you had difficulty getting an apartment in Japan? - I did mention this actually on a members only stream recently. I guess I'll go into it a bit here, but basically, yeah, it's been tough as a Reaper, I would say. Kind of finding an abode for me because as a Reaper, it's a little difficult, yeah?

- Yeah. - Yeah. - You know, and you can say, I do this and this and this. - Oh yeah, they don't care. - It doesn't really matter, does it? So yeah, but the good news is it worked out in the end. And for that, I am fortunate. - That's the ironic thing, isn't it? It's like, you could be like, yes, I am a multimillionaire who makes some money. It's like, okay, that's cool. - I would like to buy it. - Do you have a uni degree though?

- Do you speak Japanese? - How about this thing that you have no control over? - Yeah. - Okay, well, sorry, but kindly fuck off. - So you wanna buy this whole building, but you know, it's all good. I just wonder if you know how to separate glass from plastic. I can't fathom if you can do it. - We don't have an English thing, by the way. Are you gonna be okay? - My apartment is four bedrooms. I don't need four bedrooms. I only use two of the bedrooms because no other apartment would accept me.

- Right, right. - So I ended up with a place with four bedrooms and it looks so excessive when like people come to my, they're like, why are two of the rooms not being used? I'm like, I couldn't get anywhere else. - We go from, I don't have enough space to put my mouth to, I have four bedrooms and I don't need four bedrooms. - What do I do?

- I have a gigantic tatami room, which you can have. I don't do anything with it. I sometimes go in it. It smells really weird. I don't like the smell of tatami. - You gotta clean it? - How'd you clean tatami? - I think you throw water on it, right? - Yeah, there's like special like equipment that you can use. - Ah, like a tatami vacuum or something. - I mean, yeah, because- - You do? - Yeah, because it collects mold.

- Oh my God, no. - I mean, tatami is made out of a plant, right? So if you don't clean it regularly, then it gets moldy. - You gotta get that dehumidifier, man. - Yeah, there's different ways that like, there's like certain, I mean, I've never done it. - It doesn't matter 'cause they're charging me anyway when I leave to replace it. So if there's animals living in there when I leave. - I remember like,

the week that me and Sydney moved into our apartment, like she stains the tatami mat within the first few days. And we didn't realize 'cause we had, I think she'd like, we'd like spilled some water over it or something.

- Was it Red Bull? - I remember her being like paranoid in the group chat being like, how do I clean Red Bull from the tatami mat? - That is the most like, I just moved to Japan post. - Off slash Japan life. - 'Cause as a foreigner, you just don't know how to deal with tatami rooms, right? 'Cause I'm like, can we put furniture in here? How the fuck can we put anything in here? You know what I mean? - Have you ever lived in a tatami room? - I have actually. - Did you like it? - Back in the day.

Not really. I mean, it wasn't quite my choice, was it? Because I recall back in the day, I kind of didn't get to choose where I lived. I was moving to a new city. And they were just kind of like, okay, go here. This is your place. And I waltzed in. It was super old. The walls were actually kind of crumbling on the inside. There was a really ancient tatami, actually. It already had water damage. So I went ahead and water damaged it a little bit more. Okay.

But actually, what I did was I was trying to figure out how to dry my clothing because we had I had a washer outside and I washed my clothing there. And it was kind of my first experience in this kind of room. And I thought to myself, well, I have to hang these to dry. Right. OK, I'll just do it in my house. So I hung it up and it was it was dripping. Right. And so. Yeah. So I went ahead and I went to sleep and I woke up and I thought to myself, what is that scent?

- What is that scent in my home? And then I looked over to the side and I looked at the dark spot on the tatami mat and I thought, ah, I see. - Oh, that's weird. - The good news is I just kind of ran away and that was it. - It's your problem. - One thing I will say though, that not many foreigners get to experience is sleeping on a futon.

And I will say sleeping on a futon in a tatami mat room is like, it's the best night of sleep I ever get. - Yeah, it's not bad. - I don't know what it is about the feeling of just sleeping on the floor. I don't know, it kind of reminds me of grand, like sleeping at grandma's house or something like that. I personally love tatami rooms.

- When Garnt first told me that he loved it, I was just like that meme of like, is this some peasant joke? I'm too rich to understand. Is that the meme? - Is this some peasant joke I'm too rich to understand? - Because I have a whole tatami room, why would I voluntarily sleep on that? I have a bed. - I don't know man, 'cause like- - I like it now. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - 'Cause when we go to ryokans, we're forced to stay on it. - Yeah, exactly. - And like, you know, my grandma's house was nothing but tatami, right? 'Cause it was in the middle of butt fuck nowhere in-

like the Japanese countryside and sleep, like just lying down on that in like on a summer day is like the best fucking nap you'll ever take. - I feel like it did wonders for my back. - Oh yes, it does. - It straightens it out. - It's strange to think about that sleeping on the floor is like more, like it feels more healthy for your back and stuff than sleeping on a bed.

- Yeah, it is weird, right? It's kind of an oxymoronic almost. - Yeah. - That like somehow the most uncomfortable sleeping situation. - That's how humans have been sleeping for like most of- - All right, go on, fuck it. - We're going back to the Neanderthal days of sleeping on the ground. - Of course. - So were you an anime fan or anything as well? - Well, I used to watch anime way back in the day, I would have to say. I've seen a lot from, let's see, maybe,

- That's 2010s I would say, but the most recent anime that I've really enjoyed is I think I really liked Dr. Stone. I've mentioned Dr. Stone. I really liked Made in Abyss. Those were the two that I was really into. - We know the guy who did the soundtrack to Made in Abyss. - Really, you know? What? I love- - Shout out to Kevin. - Wait, I love the soundtrack to Made in Abyss.

- He's just this really Aussie bloke. - You won't be amazed if you ever meet him in real life. - He's just a normal Australian dude. - He's just the most normal Australian dude. - He's just like, "Yeah, I did Made in Abyss." - We'll get drunk with him, it'll be fine. - Oh my God, that's awesome. - I kind of thought the Dr. Stone anime was mid, there I said it. I thought it was mediocre. - Oh, that's okay. I can totally understand that. I don't really know why I enjoyed it.

I think that my method of thought at that time was, I haven't watched anime in a long time. Let's just watch something. This guy has a head that looks like a piece of celery. Let's just go into it. And I checked it out and I really liked the main character. He made me laugh a lot. He has a personality that I enjoy. And yeah, I mean, I think the characters are fine, but I don't know what it was. I think I just, it was a nice,

that I could sit back and not really care too much about. - I agree with that. - It was definitely comfy. - I think because everyone was hyping it up as like the next big show. - Wasn't that just what happens? - It's really weird, right? 'Cause I think the thing I didn't like about it was the Shonen side. The fact that it was like a typical Shonen Jump anime.

And what I didn't like was when they had like these arbitrary battles and stuff like that. Like I saw the tournament talk and it was the first time I was like, why is there a tournament talk here? Please get rid of the tournament talk. - That was so bad. It was like, just get back to the science. - Get back to the science. We want the science. - Whenever they were just inventing stuff like that scene where,

they invent the light bulb. Fucking brilliant scene. - Yeah, that was awesome. I love that kind of stuff. - But like when they're fighting, I'm like, get this shit out of me. - I think as well, there might've been like, at least in Japan, there might've been like a prior hype to it because it was written by the same guy who did "I Shield 21". - Right, right. - So people were like, oh shit, this is the guy who wrote "I Shield 21", so it must be just as good as "I Shield 21". And then you watch it and you're like,

- But you also mentioned 2010s anime. Do you have like a few favorites you could list off from 2008? - I think I remember from your debut stream, you said you really liked Madoka Magica, right? - Yes. - Really? - Yes. - Oh, wow. - Yeah, 100% big fan. - Can we call Madoka Magica a classic now? Is it that old? - I think so. - That's old. - God dammit. - 2011, is Madoka Magica? - So far not trash taste. What else is on the list, I wonder? - My number one favorite show of all times

it has to be Gurren Lagann. - Oh, yeah. - That's a classic. - That is a classic now. - It was one of my first actually anime that I really watched and loved. - Was that like the anime that you'd say got you into anime? - Yes, I would say.

I had watched a couple before that my friends in Reber School had recommended to me. For example, like I watched, of course, Inuyasha was just on TV. So I watched that. And then Full Metal Alchemist as well. I watched that and I enjoyed. But I still thought that anime, I was like, okay, anime is kind of cool. You know, I drew it a little bit, but I didn't really get into it until I watched Gurren Lagann. And I was like, this made me feel something that I didn't feel before. That's crazy. I love it. And maybe anime is like this. Cool. Awesome. I'm gonna keep watching it.

- Unfortunately we wouldn't see anything like that for a very long time. - Exactly, exactly. - Yeah, I just checked, Madoka Magiko is 2011. So I'd say almost 10 years old at this point. - Fuck. - I just remember what magical girls were like before Madoka Magiko. Like every magical girl I see is like an edgelord, it's like an edgelord fest show. - Yeah, exactly, exactly. - Yeah, remember when people were like, damn,

"Revolutionary Girl Utena is so edgy." And then it's like, "Oh shit, nevermind. "Madoka Magica has people actually dying." - Yeah, exactly. It was a big-

- It was a big turning point. - How deep were you into it? Did you watch the movies and stuff? - I haven't seen those yet, actually. I remember I was, how that I remember exactly, 'cause it was a while ago, I was on the internet while it aired and I experienced that whole thing, I guess is what I can say about that. - 'Cause it was pretty fucking inescapable when it first came out.

- I don't think I was watching anime when it came out. - Really? - I haven't gotten into anime at that point. So I never experienced that. - So you never like experienced like the golden age, right? Like the mid 2000s anime. - I guess I didn't. - What is your golden age, Connor? - What do you mean?

- What do you mean? - I got into it like 2013, I think. And that's when I really like watched a fuck ton. That was like when I, every single day it was like 12 episodes. Oh, that's- - I missed those days so much. - Did you ever binge anime like that as well? - Oh yeah, for sure. - Yeah, you would just watch any shitty 12 episode anime you could find on like, and you're like, oh, it's 12 episodes. I don't know what it is. - I was like, oh, the summer season has what? 27 series, new series? Yeah, I got time.

I got time. - No problem. - I got time, I'll check them all out. - And now I'm like a 20 minute episode? Get the shit out of my face. - I feel like that's how you can tell who like a new anime fan is, is when they can actually watch anything. I'm like, what's wrong with you? - Yeah, why would you watch this? - I find it so weird, right? Because it's my mentality with watching content has like changed so much where, do you know what I mean? Where sometimes a 20 minutes anime episode just seems like such hard work. And then I see like a two hour YouTube video or like a fucking three hour VTuber stream. And I'm like, I got time. - Yeah.

- It'll be 20 minutes of like super highly produced million dollar budget and then on YouTube it'd be like two hours speed run of Mario's nipple percent. Which one do you choose? Dude, Mario nipple percent. - Sure, sure. - Of every time man. - It was really interesting actually is that back in the day I used to be able to watch a lot more anime because

I've always been very busy. I've always been a very, very busy being, right? Except back in the day, I didn't have a problem watching dubs because I could do my work and I could listen, but things have changed. - So are you just like a no dub person now or? - It's not a hard no on all dubs. It's not a hard no. - Do you have a dub that you like?

- Bacano. - Yes! - I feel like that's a classic, like, of course. - Yeah, fuck you, Joey. - I never said the bacano dub was bad. - There's so many, okay, there's so many motherfuckers on the Reddit who are like, "Wow, Joey thinks the bacano dub is bad." I'm like, "No, motherfucker, I never said that." - It's just better than the sub. - I just think the sub is also good. - And that's fair as well. - I'll let you tell me a little. - Thank you. - You're my favorite guest so far.

- Jesus Christ. - Sorry, go ahead. - They did a great job. - You were talking about dubs and stuff like that. - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't want to ever be one of those people that's like, "No dubs." Because that really kind of just puts a damper on all the hard work. - Yeah, Joey's got that on lockdown. He's like, "You don't wanna steal this thing." - Joey's like, "As a professional Japanese person."

As a professional Japanese voice actor. Let me just put out my resume. I don't need to watch that stuff. I'm sorry for interrupting you. No, no, no, you're fine. It's okay. The thing is, at the end of the day, there's also the fact that just because you work hard on something doesn't mean that it's good.

- It's good. So it's harsh. It's harsh. That's what I say to myself. I only say it because that's what I say to myself every day. Just because you work hard on something doesn't mean that it's gonna be good and it doesn't mean that it's gonna be high quality. - Literally every dumb voice actor is just like pointing at the other one like. - Listen. - She sure is a deaf girl. She just slayed the entire fucking dubbing industry, man. - I'm not even a voice actor.

- I'm not even a voice actor, please don't come after me, please. This is about anything, not just voice acting, it's about anything that anyone does, listen, please. - Dan Dorepa was just like, "If you suck, you suck." - I say it to you because I say it to me. - I think more people need to hear that. - Yeah, advice from Carly. How about you just don't suck? - You'll be good.

- I mean, it do be like that sometimes. - I mean, okay, I gotta ask, 'cause you do a lot of things. Do you produce your own music as well? - So I've gotten into music production and I've made some of my own tracks in the past, but for this, I really wanted to put emphasis on quality and I don't think that I'm, in terms of producing music,

the quality, at the level of quality that I want to be to match my rap vocals. So of course I reached out to a producer, a long time, somebody whose music I've loved for a long time. His name is K's Kokoro beats and he does like dojin music. And also he's like a DJ and just fantastic music. Yeah. Like Toho dojin music, uh,

- Like the porn? - Yeah, so his, so listen, no, no, no, it's a little different. No, like doujin music- - Doujin doesn't just mean porn. - Yeah. - Right, it's like- - You're tricking me. - No, no, no, it's- - Wait, wait, wait, so that scene, he makes music for hentai? - No, no, no, it's like- - I'm so confused. - So basically, so he runs a touhou doujin music circle called Tama Onsen and they're like, they do hip hop remixes of touhou music.

- Just to clarify, just to clarify, okay. Doujin in the traditional sense just means fan made. - Yes. - You probably need to explain what Tohu is as well. - It's a game. - Tohu is the, fuck, what is it? - A bullet hell game.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know Toho. - I like "Ball of Hell" games, obviously, 'cause there's no cut scenes. - We don't need to explain what Toho is. - So the term doujinshi just means fan-made porn. - Damn, they really adopted that word though. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I didn't know there was another, I thought it just meant porn. - So anything that's doujin just means it's fan-made.

actually official to the franchise. - I thought it was just the Japanese word for rule 30 thought. - I mean, that's what it is like in the West. - I mean, like going on a bit of a tangent, but I found it, we'll get back. - No worries. No, don't worry at all. - I'll make a mental note. But like, I find it super interesting that when I first moved to Japan, when we were having conversation with a bunch of Japanese people and we were like trying,

- They have like no word for hentai. You know what I mean? - Yeah. - And that was super surprising for me where like, what do Japanese people call hentai? Because when you want to refer to like animated porn, they don't have like specific words for that. - How often are you doing this in conversation? - You were there in the conversation, man. - Was I? - Yeah. - You were just like mentally checked out. - Wait, what was this? When did this happen? - It was like outside. It was like one of the Book Walker parties.

- I think I do remember something like this. And I was just like standing there like, what is happening? - So Kelly, do you watch "Ant-Toy"? - What a great question. No, I don't know what that is. - Thank God. - I just saw the manager wipe a sweat off his forehead. - There's no need to be, I don't know what that is.

- You don't know what they're talking about. - Getting back to your music, you were talking about, shit, I can't remember what you were talking about. - We were talking about my producer. - Producing your own music. - My producer, right, yeah. - Producing your own music, that's what we were getting at. - Yeah, yeah, so basically, so I found, or I rather asked for some help from one of my favorite producers, yeah, who I mentioned is in the Toho doujin music circle. And I wanted to pick someone that I,

whose music that I really, really enjoyed. So we just started working together and he's been really helpful because at the same time, I'm also trying to learn how to mix, right? And back in the day when I was doing my own independent stuff, I got decent at it, like okay, but

there's always this feeling of like, ah, this could be better. And if I do it myself, it's not gonna be the level that I know that it can be. So we'd work on it together and I would mix the initial file, send it over to him and then he would fix it up and tell me what he did and that kind of thing. And kind of a collaborative effort. So I can kind of learn a bit, see what he changed, et cetera, and get better, but also put out a quality product.

I guess. Yeah. Cause I mean, you've done, you've, you've, you said you're producing your own music as well and you've done animation. You mentioned earlier, like is all this self-taught or do you have any background in it? Um, so when I went to Reaper school, I did do a little focus on drawing specifically. Um, I went, I went and I studied comics, actually comic writing. Yes.

And a little bit of animation as well. But that was mainly what I wanted to do. Aside from reaping, of course. But yeah, I would say that was my focus. But then, of course, things changed dramatically when I realized I wanted to do music. And that was pretty late in the game, I would say, to be honest. I had finished my schooling and whatnot. But when I realized what I really wanted to do, and I was like, oh, shit.

What have I done? What have I done? I've existed this long and I'm now realizing that I want to do something else. And then I started doing the music thing and realized, oh, I'm better at music than I am at drawing and wreathing. Literally everyone who goes to uni. Literally our entire lives.

- I feel like you go to university to figure out what you 100% don't want to do. Which is normally the subject that you major in. - It's normally the case where if you're forced to study something for three, four, five years, you normally have a good inkling by the end of it, whether you want to do it or not. And a lot of the times when you were like fucking forced to pick something when you're 18, you're like, maybe I'll be good doing this. Most of the time you gotta get that choice wrong. - Of course, of course. - 'Cause I don't know a single person who like actually graduated from like,

a degree of any kind and actually went into that field immediately afterwards. Like, I feel that's pretty rare. I mean, of course it's not, it's not zero. It's not zero, definitely. But like, I know a lot of people who just went into a completely different job. - Yeah. - Right. - Is there anything else you'd want to try in the future perhaps? Or any new skill sets you want to do? 'Cause you seem to be up for doing anything. - Yeah, yeah.

And that's kind of a bit of a double-edged sword, isn't it? Because I wanna do everything, but then I start spreading myself a bit thin, I would say. There's so many things I wanna do. - Yeah, I get that. - You wanna focus on one skill and then you're like, maybe doing this would be fun. Maybe doing that would be fun. - Right, exactly. That's how it is. - So like, has being a VTuber affected like your schedule, when you're off camera or anything like that? - Oh, for sure. I only sleep for about four hours a night actually. - Yeah, fuck that. - Yeah.

- I need at least like a seven or an eight hours. Otherwise I just cannot function the next day. I just love sleep too much.

- Yeah, and I guess because you're a VTube, you don't have to deal with people being like, "You look tired." - Exactly, isn't that wonderful? - Are you eating enough? People just ask me questions like, "Kana, you always look tired." And you're like, "You look angry, Kana." No, I just always fucking look angry. I always look like this. - Sharks on you, I am angry all the time. - You're right, you got it. - Being on Trash Taste has made me super self-conscious about the tiniest things I do.

- Yeah, same. - The other day I had this thread that was just me drinking weirdly, like taking a weird sip. And I'm just like, do I take sips weirdly? Is that a thing? Am I a weird drinker? - No, because we saw earlier on the train here, right? That like, do you know what the most liked post on our subreddit is? It's the video of Garnt from the Sydney episode drinking a Corona and laughing to himself.

- Because like, at least like, you know, in the case of like Gantt for instance, right? Like you almost never made like an IRL appearance in your videos. You've almost always exclusively just been voice. - You could have been a VTuber Gantt. Why'd you fucking spoil it and show your face? Fuck sake. - Maybe I will. Maybe I will one day. - Maybe I am. - Maybe he is and you don't know.

- Anyone around you could be a VTuber and you'd have no fucking clue. - Exactly. - Yeah, legit. Like I'm sure there's like a number of people who like know you in real life but probably have no idea that you're a VTuber, right? - Well, sure. You know, demons see me on the street all the time. - Yeah, exactly. - And they're like, "Hmm, if they hear a familiar voice, well, fuck them. I'm not gonna know. I'm gonna keep walking in the other direction." - I was having this conversation earlier with, I can't remember who, but it was like, imagine if they perfect like voice synthesizers.

- Right. - Actually, if you've seen Adobe's one, it's scary. It's actually scarily good. - Is it? - Yeah, yeah. They only need like a small sample and it can like mimic your voice like perfect, but they haven't released it 'cause I think they're scared to. - Yeah, 'cause I think once they perfect voice synthesizers and make that like easily like mass like,

- What's the word I'm looking for? - Mass produced. - Mass produced and easily downloadable, then it's fucking over. - The amount of identity theft that's gonna happen. - 'Cause then everyone could be a cute anime girl, right? - I've gotta show you this clip. It's so scary. They have like one person say a sentence and then they're able to make them say whatever, like perfectly.

It's so creepy. - The future is here. - My job's gonna be gone. - You can't even really trust anything that you hear anymore after that too. - Like deep fakes, man. I'm glad deep fakes are being used for like fucking memes right now. - Dumb it, dumb it. - Dumb it. - Singing "Buck in your tie" or whatever. But man, 'cause I remember first seeing how realistic it is and I'm like, this is fucking dangerous in the wrong hands. - My favorite one is the KSI and Ainsley Harriet one.

- Oh my God, I gotta show you guys off screen, it's so funny. - It was a KSI doing the- - Ainsley Harriet cooking. - Oh yeah. - Oh yes, yes, I have seen that, yeah. - It's so good. - Yeah, because there's also that Japanese tech group that made the virtual model.

Have you seen that one? - No. - It's like, it was really big. I forgot what the name of it was. It was like Saya or like Sayu or something. - You're just like worried about your employment over here. - Yeah. - Oh God, oh no. - No, basically it's this like hyper realistic 3D model of this Japanese girl. - That's creepy. - And it legit like on first glance, it legitimately looks like just a regular girl because they also made her manage to move and like smile and emote like a real person.

- And it's just Japan, man. They just got the ways to bring this to the next level. - Dude, you get that and then you put a fucking Adobe voice synthesizer on top of that and you basically just have like a legit virtual person. - No wonder no one's having babies in this country. - Yeah, right? - Why have sex when I can just program a baby? - Oh my God. - Oh my God. - That's nuts. - Yeah, which speaking about that, like do you have any content creators outside of other virtual YouTubers or like, you know,

- Let's say 3D content creators. - Do you watch any 3D YouTubers? - That you maybe one day, one day wanna collaborate in the future? - Oh gosh, I do. There's- - Go on, you've had enough sims. It's time to simp yourself. - Yeah. - Who do you simp for? - I'm so embarrassed because there's really only one, but I feel like if I simp,

I don't know if we'd ever do a good collab or if you'd even want to because it's a part of his personality that I like a lot is that I don't know. I feel like it would be odd, but I'm a huge fan of Critical.

Do you know Critical? Yes. The other day I let slip. I accidentally, I was playing Minecraft with Gouda and the other girls and Gouda was leading me into battle and I accidentally let out like a quote from him. We were trying to taunt the enemy and Gouda was like, okay, well if we taunt them and we break down the bridge then maybe that's how we get them and I said, hey, pussy boys. And I'm like,

I was like, oh fuck. Immediately after I was like, God damn it. - He's probably gonna see it. So critical just saying. - He's collaborated with Project Melody before. - That's true. - Charlie's like clearly a weeb. - He'll totally be. - I mean, he's like very clearly a weeb. I remember after we talked about JoJo, he DMs me and be like, yo, I'm ready to come on boys. I'm ready to come on.

- Speaking of JoJo's, do you like JoJo's? I have to ask. - I've never seen it. I'm sorry. It's on my list. It's on my list. Listen, it's on my list when I get some time. - Connor was just like, "You're my favorite guest." - Just kidding, get off. - She's the most awful guest. - Get off. - You're in the top five guests so far. - Listen.

- Listen, I'm going to, though I will say, I actually, I did watch a lot of your videos with JoJo scenes and voice actors that you found on Fiverr. - Thank you, thank you, I'm honored, oh my God. - Yeah, it kind of made me want to watch the show actually. - Wow, well do it. - I will, I will, it's a promise, it's a promise. I'll do it, I promise, once I get just a minute. - I'm glad, I'm glad.

- This is just like, "Trash Taste" is just casually just like, secretly it's just like a cult to get people to just watch JoJo. It's like every personality is just like, "So JoJo, have you seen-" - Everything goes back to JoJo. - Yeah, exactly. - We should get you to do some voice acting. We should-

- That would be a fun video. - Should we get you to dub over some anime scenes? - I can give it my best shot. - All right, perfect. Damn, free content for me. - Let's try. - That's my idea. No one take it. - No one else. - Well, no, because I've actually wanted to like collaborate with you on like the rapping side of things. - Ooh, yeah, sure. - 'Cause like I definitely wanna like get more into that. 'Cause now that I'm, yeah, 'cause I've been doing a lot of stuff. - This is how YouTube is simped by the way. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - We simp like collaborating together. - Nice, yeah, that sounds about right.

- I'm down anytime. But unfortunately I have to say I'm not, I'm no good at freestyling. - I mean, oh no, I can't freestyle and save my life. - Cool. - And I am pretty good at it. - Oh yeah? - No, because legit like when I saw your tweet about how your debut song hit like 3 million views, I think it was, or 4 million views, some ridiculous amount of views. And I was just like, I'm gonna try.

Let me try and get her attention. So I just replied being like, "Hey, we should spit on the side together." Never thought I would get a reply. And then you were like, "Hey, yeah, I'm down." Everyone was like, "Collab, collab." - Oh my gosh. - It's like immediately when you see two YouTubers like talk on Twitter, they think like, "Oh yeah, there's gonna be a collab two days later." Right? Like that's how it works. - I guess so, huh? Wow.

- It's just so funny where we could have like the most minimal interaction. Like you could not even talk to them. You could see like some just see like their tweet or something like that. People would be like, yo, yo, they're totally boning behind.

- I feel like the lab coming. - Oh yeah, for sure. - It's like, wow. Like, can I just not casually interact with someone on the online without having it be related to business all of a sudden? - Have you had any awkward moments where you've maybe liked a tweet or followed someone and then the viewers have been like, oh my God, why?

Oh, for sure. I mean, yeah, I see, I see people's, uh, I see people's messages or rather their conversations all the time where they're talking about, uh, the, the order in which I followed people. I think actually there was a, there was some discussion over the order in which I followed, uh, the other hololive girls. Um, they took note of that. Well, they thought that was like drama because of that? Not really drama, but just people assuming things. So it's drawing their own conclusions, right? Like creating favoritism, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. That kind of

- What the fuck? - Could you imagine if that happened to like just us? Like being like, wow, Joey followed Connor before Garnt. That must mean that Connor and Joey are like this and there's something between Joey and Garnt. - The amount of conclusions that I jumped to when it comes to our relationships with other people is like crazy sometimes. Over like the smallest details. - It's the whole mentality of like, I know your life better than you know your life, right? It's like, all right dude.

Yeah, exactly. You can say all you want. I mean, it's people fucking diagnosing I was the new mental health disorder every episode. Wow.

I feel like it's people are grasping at straws because it's all that they have, right? They don't actually know any one of us, right? So they take what they have and then they write these stories because it's all that they have to go off of like detectives. But as we all know, it doesn't really. - I'm sorry I sip my water really weird chat. - Not chat. - Yeah, sorry about that. - I went to the Twitch mode that. Pogging the chat.

- Can I get a feels bad man? - So I presume you have lots of like, you know, maybe is there fan fictions about you already? I assume so, right? - Oh, for sure. But I actually am not really one for reading fan fiction. - Good, I like that. I don't do that either. I hate that. Why not?

- We've already discussed this, Joey. It's boring as fuck. - I don't care for it. - All right. That's all I need to say. - No, no, no, because it's reading. - Yes. - Because he doesn't like turning book words into brain words. - Yeah, true. - All right, whatever. - I'm a monkey, okay. - What was that thing that Nakey Jakey recently said again? Goopy goblin gamer brain? - Okay. - That's what you are. - I have that, okay.

- Yeah, 'cause I'm wondering like do viewers also like assume like your relationship with other Hololive members or anything like that? - Oh, for sure, for sure, yeah. People, yeah, it happens a lot. - Is most of it false or? - I mean. - Or do you like kind of play to that as well? - I mean, it depends. I feel like a lot of people see my relationships with some of the other members and yeah, they draw their own conclusions and I'm frustrated

I'm friends with all of them. I want to make that very clear. But there's also a certain point that I want to leave up to you, right? To your imagination. Have fun. That's the most important part of all of this, right? In this business. Have fun. All the fanfic writers are right. It's free real estate. Do it you please, okay? Listen. Did you just ask people to write fanfic about?

- What? No, I didn't know. - No. - No, Trash Taste Fan Fix? No. - I won't read it. - So do you get to hang out with any other of the members like off stream as well? - Yeah, Kiara. Yeah, we hang out sometimes for sure.

- Yeah, because you guys are kind of like all over the place, right? - Yeah, definitely. But occasionally I'm, let's just say, Kiara lives in a place that is accessible to me from the underworld, so it's easy to hang, right? We went to dinner the other day and it was fun. Yeah. - Do you guys like ever talk about like the VTuber side of things together or is it just like completely just

no VTuber talk allowed. - We talk a bit about business and I mean, I feel like there's always something going on, right? In the VTuber scenes. There's always plenty to talk about on that end. But of course, you know, we also just talk about what's going on for both of us as well. - It's like a funny mental image of like two virtual YouTubers in the corner at Denny's just fucking like. - Yeah, just shooting the shit. - Just like, I don't know why. - Let's discuss the super chat. - Let's discuss business. - Right, right, right. - Just like giggling like that.

- So you're a 2D anime girl? I'm a 2D anime girl too. - Hey, we should collab.

Is there anyone on the Japanese side of things that you would like to meet in the future? Oh, for sure. I mean, it's just that, yeah, you know, there's, there's this, the thing about me that I've said before is that I am bad at approaching, right? I'm bad at making the first move because I never went to impose. You see, I'm very much in my own lane and kind of doing, doing my own stuff. Right. And I want to get in anybody's way. I also, I'm always concerned about, does this person really actually like

And if they don't and I contact them, well then I have to deal with that whole weird situation and then realizing they don't like me. And it's just better that I don't know. I just rather not know that you fucking hate me. - Spoken like a true YouTuber. Dia's like, "Oh, you're approaching me?" And he's like, "No, no, I'm not approaching you." - No, no, no, do you want me to listen?

- So which whole life Japan members have you, have you met any of them? - No, no, I haven't. They're all rather mysterious to me still. - Right, right.

- Yeah, maybe someday in the future. It just depends on the collaboration situation. And I know enough Japanese to be able to communicate, but there will definitely be bumps and they may be hilarious and they may be sad. I'm just not sure yet. I'm still testing the waters, right? - Because from what I've seen from like different clips and VODs from the Japanese whole live members is that almost all of them are like really, really interested in the EN side of things. - Yeah, I was wondering how much like cultural cross-pollination there is. Like what do you- - Oh God, that was a weird one.

- That was a power word right there. - Cultural cross pollination. - That's probably not even a word, right? - Dictionary under the table. - He just coined a new term. - Is that a term? - It is now. - Cultural cross pollination. Do you have like a lot of Japanese fans? Okay, what I wanna know is do you like English? What's so funny about it?

- That was the most business set of words I'd ever heard in my life. - What was I saying? Oh yeah, so do you get like a lot of Japanese fans where English clips are like translated to Japanese and everything like that? - Oh yeah, sometimes I'll finish streaming and three hours later I'll see a clip pop up of the stream that I just did with Japanese subtitles over it and I'm like, oh, okay. - Jesus Christ. - That is so fucking dead. - They are the speed of day. - It's pretty crazy, but hey, I'm very thankful. - That crud though.

- Yeah, cross pollination. - That's a strong cultural cross pollination right there. - Yeah. - Sorry, sorry, go ahead. - I feel like the real unsung heroes of the VTuber worlds are like the translators. - Oh yeah. - For sure. - I don't know how many hours they put into translating, but I remember like if it wasn't for like the translators, I don't think Hololive would be able to grow as much as it has. - And all of them like do it for free.

- Yeah. - Like they're not hired to do this shit. They're just like, I just seem this person so hard that I want the rest of like my language speaking community to know about them, right? - Yeah, that's definitely true. I mean, I used to be the same way in like the music community, like the Japanese music community. I would translate songs just because I wanted other

the other people in my fringe community. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's like I knew like that one super obscure Japanese game never got a release in the West. It's like someone translates the whole thing and it's like a visual novel. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Why? - All the fan translated visual novels, I'm like, there is like 900 pages of dialogue that you just translate for free. - Yeah.

- But you love it so much you want to share it with others. You want them to feel that same happiness. I think that's really cool. - Shout out to the translators. You guys are the real- - Thank you for the cultural cross-pollination. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that word, whatever it is. - We're never gonna get over that. - So what made you want to move to Japan in the first place? Was it your love for anime or games or music?

- Well, as I've mentioned before, the only reason that I'm here with you guys right now is because I actually live in the underworld, right? - Right. - The other side, the other side of Japan. - Australia.

- I'm also from the underworld. - You mean the Down Under. - That's right, that's right. - The Down Underworld. - I'm sorry, that was a terrible fucking joke. - Now we have to get an Australian VTuber. - Yeah, it's okay. I live on the flip side, basically. I live on the flip side.

So basically the main reason that I wanted to be in this general area, I guess, was just because I love Japanese music and I have a bunch of, I guess, Nakama, I suppose, that I want to be close to, right? We are Nakama. We are Nakama. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And hang out with and make music together and just do fun stuff. And I couldn't do that where I was before.

And now that I'm able to, everything is so much better and I instantly feel so much better about existence and it's great. And I hope that I can continue chasing my dreams here because when I first arrived, it's like everything that could go wrong went wrong and I was in a terrible place when I first came here. - Did you get like the culture shock of moving here and everything like that? - Yeah, definitely. And not knowing any Japanese at all,

et cetera, and having to figure out everything on my own, having no souls, no money. - And you didn't have any friends here or anything either? - I did from the internet, but I was not located in a place where I could hang out with them, I guess. So yeah, it was just not great. - We had a hard enough time moving here when we one, know each other and two, have an agency helping us. So I can't imagine how it was for you.

It was something else, but you know, every, I look at it this way, every single day I get a little bit closer to being at the exact place that I want to be. That I thought of like three years ago when I set out to do all this. That's progress, right? - Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, 'cause nothing sucks more than, you know, working towards something and then three years passes and you're like, oh, I'm still here. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - I mean, like I've heard your Japanese in your streams and it's like, it's definitely,

- Definitely fine. Like you definitely sound like- - Definitely super, no it's okay, super gaijin. - I'm not saying you're like super fluent or anything, but it is definitely more than sufficient enough to like get by here, right? - To get by, right? - It's much better than these two. - Let's just say that. - Well, thank you. That feels good to know. - You don't suck like us, Callie. - Yeah. - As you said earlier. - Your Japanese is good, Callie. - Thank you. Just really, really- - Just don't suck. - Just don't suck, right? - Just get good. - Just get good.

- Despite my really, really like henna ikata. Like I really, really can't say things in a way that is natural. - I feel that that like adds like a completely like different type of charm to it though. - Well, that's what Kaze and Kiara were saying when I was saying things strangely when we did our collab is they were laughing so much and I said, I'm saying things weird. And they said, no, it's cute. Like it's funny. And I'm like, really? You don't think it sounds like,

and like it makes you like me less. They're like, no. - No, there's like a weird innocence to it. - Everyone likes like the other accent where they struggle. It's really endearing 'cause they're trying so hard. - It's like witnessing like a Japanese person try and speak to you in English, but you like you hear it and it's clearly broken, but there's like a weird chance. - We have an entire fucking genre of clips where it's just VTubers trying to say, it's trying to speak English.

- That's true. - And like those usually do like the best because it's just so endearing that you look at it and you're like, oh man, they're trying so hard. It's so fucking cute. - When that dog said, I love you, I felt that. - The dog.

- I felt that. - I mean, right, yeah, like the whole reason why like, you know, Korone's English only streams do so fucking well is because it's literally that for like two hours. - Yeah. - Right? - Oh yeah, that's true. - And it's just clips galore, right? So I think like in, you know, in the opposite way, like I think you're able to achieve that as well when you speak Japanese. Like I'm sure Japanese people are like, "Oh man, like she's clearly trying." But like the fact that it's not exactly perfect is what makes it endearing, right? - Yeah, that's a good point actually, now that you say it. - Because I certainly don't get that when I speak Japanese.

- They're like, oh man, he's trying his best. It's more like, holy shit. Why? - Why? - Exactly right. - Okay, do you, when you're in Japan, do people assume you're Japanese or? - No. - It's weird. - It just looks Japanese.

- That looks white. - I look white as fuck. - That looks white, man. Are you kidding me? - It's really weird, right? Because like whenever I'm walking with like say Aki, she's usually the one that gets approached in Japanese because she looks more Asian than I do. And then when the opposite effect happens where she can't speak a word of Japanese and yet I can, is where like the whole like,

- I remember like when I used to intern at like a tech agency here, like during uni, I used to be the guy who had to like invite guests in for like during business meetings for that company. So I was the one on the phone organizing like the time and days and you know, being like, okay, I'll come down and you know, get you from the bottom floor. So, you know, bring you into the office. And every time I did that,

I'm sure they were expecting a super Japanese dude to come down from the elevator. But the moment the elevator opens and they just see this white dude come out, they're like, "You're the guy we just talked on the phone, right?" And I'm like, "Yeah." And they're like, "Okay."

- Oh my God. - This is weird. - It happened every fucking time. - Yeah. - Like, yeah, I never get used to it. Especially, oh dude, every time someone at the fucking Konbini gives me a Nihongo Jozu. - Oh jeez. - Do you get Nihongo Jozu'd a lot? - All the time. But what's interesting about that is that when they say it to you, that's how you know it's not Jozu. - Yeah.

- Have you ever explained what Nihongo Josu is on the podcast? - I don't think so. Nihongo Josu just means you're very good at Japanese. - Yeah, right. - Basically. - Which is basically like what they say to every foreigner who attempts to speak Japanese. Like if you actually flew it in Japanese, they won't go Nihongo Josu. - Yeah, exactly. - It's only when it's like, you know your Japanese is like broken.

- When you get the Nihongo Josu. - It just feels like condescending. - Yeah, exactly. - Like, "Oh, Nihongo Josu." - I basically get it every time as well. - Yeah, it's like, all I said was, "Arigato." I'm not fucking- - Yeah, and they're like, "Whoa." - There's nothing Josu about it. Everyone can say it. - Yeah. - Actually got Nihongo Josu from saying, "Arigato." - Yeah, right?

- Yep, just the one word and they're like, "Whoa." - That's like if a Japanese person came up to me and said, "Thank you." You don't go, "Oh, Eigo Josu." - English is great. - It's so condescending. - Do you ever ordering in Japanese at a restaurant and then like as you're talking in Japanese, like to them, they'll be like, "Oh, here's the English menu." And I'm like, "But I was just talking in your language." - And then you keep talking to them in Japanese and then they keep talking to you in English. - Eigo? - Eigo? - Eigo?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. But the way that I try to think about it, somebody said it really well before to me when I was kind of like, I wish that they would stop. What someone said to me was, well, it's not about you. It's about them. They want to be polite, I guess, and it's just their sense of being kind and polite to you. It's more about them and not about you. So try and think of it that way kind of thing. I just complain about everything. Fair.

- I could have a successful heart operation. I'd be like, "Bloody hell, that took a fucking long time, didn't it?" Jesus Christ. - The worst though. - I'm sorry, Dad. - The worst though, then, like in "Nihongo Jozu" is like when, I get this all the fucking time because like they always ask, "Nihongo daijoubu?" - Oh, right. - Like, "Can you speak Japanese?" And of course I say like, "Yeah, nihongo daijoubu?" And they're like, "Oh, okay."

- English menu is here. - In all the fucking English. - I'm like, why the fuck did you ask me that question?

- It's never gonna matter. - I had the NHA guy, which is basically like the TV license. - The television man, the television man. - Basically if you have a television, you should be paying a television license. - He's the other death reaper. - Yes, the other one, I'm acquainted with him. - Came to my door and he was like, he looked at me, he just stared at me and like, oh, when I opened the door, he was like, "Oh, oh, oh, "I understand Japanese." What is it? - Yeah, "I understand Japanese." - Yeah, and I was like, I saw the NHK thing in his hand and I'm like,

- No.

- No. - No. - You tell him he didn't have eyes. - To explain, the NHK guy is like, NHK is like the, it's not cable, it's like the TV guy. - It's like the BBC, it's the BBC in the UK. - It's national broadcast company. - Yeah, yeah. - Right. - And basically the NHK guy comes and like, you usually, if you own a TV in your house, you have to pay like a fee. - Yeah, like a license. - It's the law, it's the law. - If you use the TV, if you have like a kind of like a,

- TV connection, right? - Yeah, if you have a TV connection. Yeah, that's the, a lot of people just own a TV because they use it for things like streaming

streaming or like for games, like not to actually watch Japanese TV. But the NHK guy doesn't give a fuck. - No, he doesn't care. - He's like, if you own a TV, you have to pay the fee. - Yes, it's actually the law apparently. - Yeah, it is the law apparently, but like a lot of people, it's also just like a waste of money to just be like, I'm not gonna pay a fee for something I don't use. - I actually can't get the TV 'cause you need a card. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't have the card. - Right, it's like the NHK card. - Yeah, I don't have it, so I can't.

And yet they're just so persistent to like get you to pay that fee for something that you don't even use. It's like, no, you have to understand. I don't use the TV to watch fucking NHK. I'm a millennial, I use it for other things like gaming. - You stream. - And streaming. - You can't run away because even if you don't speak Japanese, they will pull out Google Translate. So have fun. I felt like I had to be careful mentioning them because I was doing a playthrough of a game and there was this character that reminded me of the NHK man.

And I just had to keep, I had to keep, it's the Madfather. The NHK man, special appearance in Doom. Nah, it was a game called Madfather and there's this guy that does it. - Oh yeah, I fucking love that game. - Wait, did you play Madfather on stream? - Yeah, I did. It's a three part series. Yeah, it was. - That's all right. Yeah, I remember you were saying in your debut stream that you love RPG making games. - Yes, just the most old, just really,

- Ratchet, like old ass pixel art. - I played so many of those when I was doing Let's Plays. - What is it, like Madfather? Dude, I remember watching all of that, like PewDiePie. No, someone played all of it and- - Everyone was playing it. - What is this game? Just to explain to me. - Madfather, well, you know RPG maker games. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So Madfather is this one. It's created by, is it created by a Japanese guy? - Yeah, I think Sen is the- - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the guy who also did,

Oh my God, what was the other one? - Misao. - Misao, that's it, yeah. But basically "Madfather" is all about this girl who has a crazy dad. - Okay. - Couldn't tell. - That dad is mad. - Yeah, and basically she's like, lives in this, it's been so long since I played the game, but like- - I can't remember what happened. - Yeah, Callie, can you explain it? 'Cause you probably played it the most. - Yeah, yeah, sure. So there's this girl and she lives in a mansion with her mad dad and he does weird stuff in the basement. And you know that from the beginning.

But basically... Where is this going? It's a ride. So basically, her mother has died, and the game starts off by you get these flashbacks, and you see her life, and you realize that she's kind of alone in this mansion with her fucked up dad and his mistress, and they're doing weird stuff in the basement that isn't just what you think is going on. There's other stuff happening, too. It gets pretty fucked up. Yeah. And so she hears screams from the basement, and it turns out there's a

curse on the house that's based on like, like some, some bullshit with like her, her mother is angry or something like that. Maybe that's a spoiler. Maybe we should cut that. Cut that. It's too late. I mean, the game's like how old at this point? It's a really old game. It's a really old game. Um, so basically, yeah, there's a curse on the house and all these, all these like bodies start coming to life, reanimated corpses and whatever. And, uh, it's basically like your classic RPG maker horror game. It's got like jump scares and puzzles and story. And, um, it's, it's,

It's super fun and super crazy, but there are also some scuffed parts that I just love about it. It's just classic old RPG Maker game. For example, when your mad dad is like chasing you with his chainsaw whenever he comes after you and it's the jump scare when he gets you, right? The image just zooms in so far and the pixels, that's the scary part about it, right? How many pixels make up dad? It's not a high number.

- That's the funniest part of it. - That's what I love about RPG horror games though is that like every single one, like no matter how scary the jump scares might be, there's just something really campy about it that you just can't help but laugh at. - Yeah, it's freaking charming. - You're being scared by like pixels. - Yeah, right? - Yeah. - What was the one RPG maker game? I think it was "To the Moon" or something. - Oh, "To the Moon", that's a really sweet one actually. - I really fucking loved that one. I was crying like a baby watching fucking PewDiePie play it when I was like 50. - Oh, yeah. - It's so sad. I watched the story, Joe.

- Wow, yeah, I was about to say, I was like, that is like 100% story. - Yeah. - I actually think I enjoy game stories. - It's fun when he's watching someone else play it. - I genuinely think I like game stories when I watch someone else play it. But when it's me playing it, I'm like,

- You want that gameplay man, just that straight gameplay. - Rip and tear man. - Yeah, rip and tear until it is done. - There's also the, there was a sequel to that as well. - Yeah, there was, there was. - I played it just great. - Yeah, much, much later. - I actually liked it more than the first, believe it or not. - Really? - Oh, really? - Yeah, I liked that there's like a twist that's really good and the plot is just,

It hits some like relatable spots. - As we say on the show, it hits different. - It do be hitting different though. - There you go, we got that clip now. - Yeah, that's what it is. - Yeah, To The Moon, like I remember I played that on my channel when I was doing Let's Plays and like it's the music, man. The music just fucking kills me. It's so good. And it's all done by one dude.

- Yeah. - It's crazy to think about. - What do you mean, like the entire game or just the music as well? - This guy who did the story, the art, everything was just all done by one dude. Like he had help with like the music composition, but he wrote it all and just got someone else to like do the composition for it. But he did the story, he did all the programming and everything.

- I love that kind of stuff. Just like one dude just making a whole freaking game. - Right. I mean like Corpse Party as well was made by like three people. - Yeah. - I wish I was that talented. - I know. - It takes a lot of passion and dedication. - Why am I so lazy? - Or like Toho was made by one dude. - I don't know. Talent. All I know about,

And all I know what to do is how to talk about anime titties. That's just my job. - That can be a talent. I sure can't do that. - It's not a talent. - I can't go so it is. - I can't even do that on my own. I have an editor.

- That's a good point. - Because of your janky PC setup. - Yeah, my janky PC. I can't even put a PC together on my own. - Your PC was like literally that meme of like unlock your brain. - Yeah, exactly. - Unlock your graphics card. - But what if we use more than 10% of our brain? - So like what would you say then is your favorite RPG maker game?

Gosh, there are so many. Let me name off some ones that I really like. I really like Wadanohara. Have you guys played Wadanohara before? Oh, is that the guy, Mugeka, right? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. And then he made some other really fucked up game called Mugeka Castle. Yeah, that gave me some freaking nightmares, I'll tell you what. I really like the Crooked Man series. Do you guys ever play those? I play a lot. Yeah.

- I think I've played almost every RPG horror game. - Oh, seriously? - Yeah, I used to do like just a worldwide. - No, 'cause I used to play them late exclusively on my channel. 'Cause I got really massive off the corpse party. - Oh yeah, corpse party. - Right, right, right. - So naturally I had to go into the RPG maker stuff.

- Well, the first one that I ever played was Ebe. I feel like that's like a first for a lot of people. - I know that one. - Yeah, it's a first for a lot of people. It's old as shit, man. - I know some of these 'cause Sydney loves these kind of like RPG horror games as well. So that's why I know some of these. - Ebe is probably like the most famous one. - Yeah, and it's old, like super old. And then I feel like a lot of people also know Witch's House as well. It's like a classic like jump scare one. I need to play that on stream. I feel like everyone would really enjoy it. - Pocket Mirror is also a really good one as well. - Oh yeah, that's a good one too. I recently played that.

- I don't know, I'm not like- - I should get out the room and leave you two. - Listen, all you have to do, there's someone who translates a lot of RPG Maker games and I recommend, of course, obviously you buy the games, of course. But for those that it is impossible to do, the translated patches are available and they're very easy to access in one spot. - And they're really good too. - Yeah. - Yeah, they're really good translations. - Really well done. - Again, like just someone is just talented and has the time to just be like, "Oh yeah, five hour game where it's like exclusively talking."

- Yeah, I'm a finna translate that. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. - Yeah, shout out to the translators again, man. - Sure. - For sure. - I got so into RPG Maker games though that it got to a point where after I played all of them, I went onto the RPG Maker forums and just started downloading people's projects that they were working on and playing them. - Oh, wow. - And that was something, let me tell you why. - Were any of them memorable? - I mean, by how,

- I mean, I don't know. That makes me sound like such a dick. - You should have replied to them being like, why try when you're not good. - Just get good. - Just get good. Just don't be shit. - I got a laugh out of some of them and getting a laugh. Hey, hey, listen, man, that serotonin release for one laugh. Okay, good, fine. Be proud of yourself for that. I felt good today. - Hours of work so I could chuckle once. - I like to laugh at you. Hey, listen, listen to me.

No, I had some fun times. I remember some real janky ones. I don't know if this was someone's project, but there's this super obscure-ass one called Desert Nightmare or something. That sounds like an indie game. I think I got it off the forum. And it's like you're this chick and you get out, your car is broken down and you're in a desert and it's a horror story. And I remember it was so freaking jank.

but I played it all the way till the end. Three hours, someone's just project on the RPG Maker game forums. I got invested. It was shitty, but I got invested, man. Yeah, I remember that. It was good. Is this a compliment or not? No, whoever made that game, good on you. I know you're out there somewhere. You might see this, you might not, but fuck yeah, man. They might be a Cali simp, you never know. Oh, geez. Don't take it as an insult. I genuinely had a lot of fun with that.

- It's like the next red super chat you get is like, "Hi, I'm the developer for " - Oh shit. Listen man, hold on, wait, maybe I'm joking. - I cannot imagine going on a forum looking for shitty games. - Hey, I was desperate, man. You get desperate sometimes after you go through all that stuff and you're like, "I want more, I need my fix." - I can imagine like a cut, like you doing that and then me just doing "Super Hexagon" for like the millionth time trying to beat the hardest level. You ever seen "Super Hexagon"? - Yeah, of course. - I fucking love that game. - What is that?

- It's like a visual crack game. It's hard. - Yeah, it's like epilepsy the game basically. - Is it like a puzzle game? - It's on screen right now. It's very fucking difficult, but I love it. - That's the rhythm. It's like, no, not the rhythm game, but like, it's like a,

- How do you explain a games like that? - Fucking seizure game. - Survival game? - I don't know, survival seizure. - That sounds kind of fun. - Have you played that game where you jump the block? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, was it Geometry Dash? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Geometry Dash, is that the one? - Geometry Dash. It's kind of like in the same kind of like, same kind of genre I'd say where it's like repeat the level over and over hundreds of thousands of times. - I get it. - I remember the only one game I remember, I can't, it was called like the impossible game or something. I don't remember where you have to like jump this.

- That's it, that's it. - Is that it? Is it called Geometry Dash? - Well, I think they re-branded it. - I think they re-branded it, yeah. - I'm not sure, someone in the chat is probably screaming right now, is it Geometry Dash? - I just remember the music was so good, and I wanted to complete it just so I can hear the track all the way to the end. - Yeah, same, I remember. - I completed one stage, the easiest stage. - We're gonna get a blue super champion, like, "Hi, I'm the developer for Geometry Dash. "You got it all wrong, fuck you."

- What's like the weirdest super chat you've ever gotten? Is there any that stand out in your mind? - There are some pretty fun ones. For example, there's a reoccurring character in my stream called, am I allowed to, we actually never got that checked, huh? If Ghost Rider, right?

Ghost rider outside my house. There is a freaking skeleton on a motorcycle that just every day when I'm streaming five times a stream just outside of my window just and it gets on my last damn nerve. Well, everyone's everyone's called him ghost rider, right? And he appears sometimes in the super chat to say sorry for being loud outside or whatever that kind of shit. And I'm like, thanks for your super chat, man. But that doesn't change the fact I'm fucking pissed at you right now, man.

- Maybe they're trying to use echolocation to determine your pinpoint address. - Oh yeah. - Or face off the sound reverb. - Yeah, exactly. - How far away it's like, okay. - Starting from that frequency, I know that it's this type of engine. - That's some Reddit shit, man. They'll find that out, dude. - Oh, for sure. I believe it. - Yeah, it's like that news, you know, of like how like someone found that Japanese idol because of like- - Reflection in her eye. - Reflection in her eye. - I read about that. - That's so fucking scary. - I mean, you don't have to worry about it 'cause you know, God, why we're not wearing sunglasses right now?

- Yeah Garth's just like, I'm not gonna look at you. - Blue down, blue our eyes. - Oh my God.

- Be careful, be careful. - I guess like for those of, you know, for people of Trash Taste who don't know anything about you, like, do you want to like shout out your stuff? - Yeah, sure. Come check out my streams anytime. So basically I stream, well, it really depends on the week and what's going on. I'm busy right now, but by the time that this comes out, things should be back to normal. So I usually stream maybe five or six times a week.

it depends on what's going on with me, but I try to take two days, two day breaks. And then sometimes I stream twice a day. My time zones are a little, a little weird, right? Um, but I try to stream, um, at, I guess it's morning time, uh, in America. And, uh,

either afternoon or evening in Japan. And then on the weekends, it'll be afternoons, mornings in Japan and evenings, afternoon-ish in America. So come check them out. And I also do music. I have a playlist in my YouTube. Just look up Mori Calliope or Calliope Mori, or you can even just look up Mori Channel or Mori Holo Live and you should find me immediately. And come hang out. Subscribe if you like my stuff. If you don't, that's cool. You don't gotta do that either. I mean...

- You don't have to. - Don't forget to like and subscribe. - Self confidence radiating. - If you don't wanna, you don't have to, my stuff isn't for everyone. - You're a death god, let them know they'll die if they don't. - Okay, just do it then please. - Assert chat energy, assert dominance. - Exactly. - But yeah, we'll leave the links down in the description as always. - Thank you, yeah. If you like an interesting rap, I guess pop rap, Japanese rap inspired English rap,

- If you want to see an anime girl spit bars. - Sure, yeah. - Fucking check out her channel. - That's the place to go. - To fire. - To fucking fire, man. - Thank you. - I hope you enjoyed them. Actually, they're available on some music stores now, I believe. Definitely Apple Music worldwide.

- Okay, awesome. - Spotify maybe, I don't know. By the time this comes out, who could say? Maybe go check just in case, I don't know. - We'll see, we'll see. - Yeah, I think that's everything I wanted to talk about today. - This has been the most interesting episode of Trash Taste in our lives. - Really? - This has been a venture for all of us, I would say. - We're so honored. - Yeah, thank you very much for joining us today and being our very first 2D guest. - I feel bad that I haven't watched any of your stuff before this, but I certainly will fix that.

- You've learned a lot though at least. - Have you learned anything? - Very charming personality. - Thank you, I appreciate that. Come watch me really suck at Doom if you want. But listen, here's the thing. - We're just gonna see where it's super traveling. - You suck. - Oh, thank you, I appreciate it. Yay, SeaDog, thanks. - SeaDogVA sends his regards. - You're terrible at this game, thanks, I know. - But hey, also let's give a shout out to our lovely, lovely patrons who are on the screen right now. - Yes. - Who's your favorite patron, Callie? - Oh gosh, let me go ahead and look.

There's no one there. - But if you'd like to support the show as always, go to our Patreon. Also follow us on Twitter and subreddit, send all the, I'm sure you'll, this will be fucking spammed with fucking Cali memes. - Oh my God. - Oh yeah. - Definitely. - I'm secretly happy that now like the Hololive memes and our subreddit would now finally merge together. - Yeah, exactly. - And we can shove all these VTuber memes in front of Connor's face and be like, "Ha, the simp invasion will begin."

- Time for me to start modding the sub right now. - Yeah, put your back into it. - I'm kidding, I'm kidding. - But yeah guys. - Thank you so much for joining us. - Yeah, thanks for having me. - We'd love to have you back if you're down. - Really? Would that be cool? Can I come back sometime someday?

- You guys wanna come back sometime someday? - Yeah, of course, of course, of course. - Yay! - You've said it now, so it has to happen. - All the simps are like, "We're waiting." - Yay! All right, I anticipate it, thanks. - We gotta do a premiere so we can have super chat. - Oh my God! - I can show you the rainbow! - Well, we can still do it. - Oh my God, we can. - The rainbow! - We can premiere the video and there'll be a super chat. - Well, yeah, you guys can get a rainbow.

- This man gigabrain right here. - Yay. - Thank you so much again. Finally, we're gonna go. - Bye everyone. - We finally get that sim money. Thank you very much for watching Trash Tea today. We will see you next time. - Bye. - See you around, bye.