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And more specifically though, we're not making the three by threes this time. We actually asked our past guests of the podcast here to send in, I guess, different three by threes that fit towards what they're known for or their passions that, you know, what the things that they like and stuff like that. So we have a number of different three by threes we've got, and we're going to go through each one of them and I don't know, praise them, shit on them, whatever we do. I,

- When I realized the three by three was just top nine, I kind of lost a little bit of love for the format. - Wait, when did you realize this? - What do you mean? - I just kind of realized it's just a cool way of saying top nine. - I realize three times three is nine. - No one goes, "What's your five by two?" You know what I mean?

- We should bring that five by twos. - Three by threes is just a nice way to present information. - Exactly. - Top 10, top 10 you're like- - It's a perfect square. - Yeah, it's a perfect square. - Top 10 sounds good. - No, there's one- - Top 10 is like a list. - That's why WatchMojo did top tens, not- - Yeah, well we're not- - Here's the three by threes of the favorite countries. - We're not WatchMojo. Also, have you seen WatchMojo recently? They don't do top tens anymore. - What do they do now? - They do like top fifties and like 25.

- The videos are like 40 minutes long. - Well, yeah, top 25 also known as a five by five. - Five by five. - Five by five. - That's like too much, you know, three by three. - Why is that too much? - It is too much. I feel like three by threes is just like, you need to be picky about what you choose. Top 25 is just like, ah. - Yeah, you're just pandering. - Yeah, you're just like. - You're just trying to get the Ocarina of Times in there.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Actually the one thing I do like about the three by three format above the top 10 is that you get to visualize everything. - That's the whole point. - That's what we're saying. - That's what we've been saying. - Yeah, but it's just top nine. - Yeah. - Yeah. - But it's visually more appealing. - I think for anime and manga, I think it makes more sense. But then for like- - You think? - Yeah. - Why? - I don't know, 'cause it's like way more visual.

- Like music, I'm like, eh. - I feel like- - Let's play all nine of the music at one go. - Now, I feel like with the visual of the three by three, you get like a raw shack, like fucking drawing where you just like, it's different from looking at lists, like seeing it visually, you're like, oh, so that's your personality. - Right, right. - Okay, okay. - So we, again, as I mentioned, we asked a bunch of our guests, past guests on Trash Taste to send in their specific three by three. So we're gonna go through them.

Which one should we start with? A lot of these guests were not asked, or we didn't get the opportunity to ask them for the previous 3x3 in which we judged all of their previous anime tastes. But this one is going to be a bit more varied. Yeah, there's a couple of anime 3x3s here, but the rest of them are very, very different. So what do you want to start off with?

- I wanna shit on Chris. - Okay. - I just shit on Chris. - All right, so the secret fourth member, Chris Broad, we asked for his film three by threes because he is a- - He's watched like- - He's a self-proclaimed filmmaker. - I don't think he's watched nine anime. - I don't think so either. - He gave us also a lot of reasonings.

- And a lot of explanations to why it shows. - Yeah, we asked each guest to give their reasonings for these as well, so we can go through those. So this is Chris's three by three films. This is the most Chris-less. - This is like the filmmakers, I wanna be a filmmaker three by three. - Hey, 2001 Space Odyssey, fire pick. - I think he said, if I'm not mistaken, that 2001 Space Odyssey was in the middle for a reason. I could be wrong, we could scroll down. - Let's see. - Let's scroll up actually, 'cause I think there's some intro here.

Oh, no. No, no, no. No intro. So let's go through what's on the list. We have 2001 Space Odyssey. We have Brazil. We have Goodfellas. Yep. We have Heat. Yep. Planes, trains, and automobiles. Yeah, that one. We have Blade Runner. Classic. Sexy Beast. Town Popper. Mulholland Drive. And I believe that's it. That's it. Okay. Okay. All right. I...

- Looking at this list, the thing I'm very excited about, probably the most excited about is "Heat". I fucking love "Heat". - What a great movie. - And it's not something that is traditionally talked about as much as other like detective or like gangster films. 'Cause you think of Al Pacino, you think Robert De Niro and you think, you know, Raging Bull, Goodfellas, which is also on there.

and you know, Al Pacino, Godfather and stuff like that as well, you know. But Heat I feel is super, super underrated. Not so much critically, but in terms of like the general zeitgeist of what people normally talk about, because it's one of my favorite films with both Robert De Niro and Al Pacino. - What is Heat about?

- What is Heat about? - So, okay. So to preface why I fucking love Heat. So Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are two of my favorite actors, right? And this is the first film where they actually share screen time together, right? Because they were both in "The Godfather 2", but they never actually shared a scene together because they were both,

kind of like playing different time periods. So this was the first film, I believe, where they both shared screen time and they acted with each other. And so Al Pacino plays a detective who is basically trying to catch Robert De Niro. And there is this...

beautiful fucking scene. I believe the first time they meet each other, the first time they meet. And it's a scene that lives on in my memory because it's almost, it's the closest you get to watching two juggernauts of acting, just having a boxing match with, with,

With their acting. Act off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's basically the first time in the movie the two characters are sitting with each other. Yeah. And they're basically not so much taunting each other, but just kind of like, you know, talking to one another. And it's a very simple scene visually. Yeah. But there, yeah, I completely agree. I was going to say that was, that's one of my favorite scenes in the movie too, where like it,

You just feel the like intensity of the scene so much. And it all accumulates into this one scene that we've been building up to. - Yeah, because this one scene is basically the two of them having a standoff being like, Al Pacino's like, "I'm gonna catch you." And Robert De Niro is basically saying- - He's like, "Nah, dog." - "Nah, you try your best." And you know, sometimes you watch a film

And there is this actor that just commands the screen presence, like whenever they're on screen, you know, for example, whenever fucking William Defoe comes on screen, you're like, ah, it's time. There he is, there's the goat. But like another actor I think that does this fucking great is- - Fuck what? Jack...

- Nicholson? - Jack Nicholson. That's it, sorry. Jack Nicholson. Every time Jack Nicholson is on screen, you like feel his screen presence. - Absolutely. - And in this one, what's so amazing is that you feel that doubly so, 'cause Robert De Niro and Al Pacino by themselves have fucking incredible screen presence. You put them together in a scene together,

it is literally like a Jojo battle. You feel like the aura of both of them on screen. - They're just talking, but the stands are fighting. - I know, I know. They're just talking and I'm just like, I'm locked in for this, just this one dialogue scene. - I love that line that Al Pacino, it like haunts my memory of just like, he just like looks at Robert De Niro right in the face and he just goes like, "Brother, you're going down." And I'm just like, "Oh!" - Who directed this film? - I think it's Michael Madd.

I might be wrong. I'm testing my film knowledge here. Let's read what Chris has to say about it as well after we find out. Who directed Heat?

- Michael Mann, it might be Michael Mann actually. - Michael Mann. - Yeah, it is Michael Mann. - Damn, my film knowledge is better than what I thought it was, shit, okay. - Oh, they got Val Kilmer as well, cool. - What has Chris said about this? - When I was a film student, I made a video essay. - No, no, that's good films. - The crime thriller that every '90s movie measures itself against and loses.

The bank heist scene isn't just a good action sequence, it's the action sequence. The cinematography and soundtrack bring L.A. to life in a way I've never seen in a film. The tension in the sequence where Al Pacino roars down a highway at night to a Moby soundtrack for a confrontation to meet his rival De Niro is reason enough to watch it. Yeah, and I would say the second reason to watch the film, which I was going to talk about, is the bank heist scene, which...

is, I got to watch this. You'd love this film. Yeah, the thing that's incredible about the Bankai scene is just, you have an idea about how long the scene is going to last, and then it just keeps going and going, and the intensity just increases every time. And I don't know, I might be wrong, but I don't,

can't remember any music being done during the Bankai scene. I'm not sure if that's just my memory because the scene was so intense. I don't remember the music, but one thing that really stood out was just the sound design because the Bankai scene mostly takes place outside and you hear the echo of like every gunshot and every like, it was almost like

I mean, it's the soundtrack of America, right? Just like echoing gunshots and machine guns and car chases. And that was all I remember for that. And that's all I needed to just lock the fuck in into this action scene. It's one of the best scenes

action sequences I remember being put to film. You will love this film. Yeah, it sounds like a movie I would like. Again, it's just, it's not that like, you know, when people talk about classics and whatnot, like, oh, if you don't watch this, it's never a case of like, I didn't go out of my way not to watch this. It's just, it's a sad fact, but we get older, more films come out and there's slowly less and less time to appreciate the classics and find it. And then, you know, which classic do you tackle? Which order? You know, I'm slowly making my way through it. And, you know,

I do want to watch it. I haven't seen this movie in a long time. I definitely want to rewatch it. So good taste from Chris then? So far, he is a fantastic taste. Good fellas, of course. When I was a film student, I made a video essay on good fellas. Of course you did. Of course you did, Chris. I watched it 20 times and never got bored. Every scene is a masterclass in storytelling. The performances are incredible and the soundtrack unbeatable. Joe Pesci steals the show, but...

Ray Liotta's voiceover brings it all together. It's a reminder of what makes a film great. Endless tension. Every scene is riddled with awful, uncomfortable situations. It's not that you're exhausted with anxiety by the end. You've... You've watched it wrong. Oh, if you're not exhausted by anxiety by the end, you've watched it wrong. Yeah, I love Ray Liotta's voiceover. Fuck, I've been meaning to watch Goodfellas because I watched Godfather. And everyone was like, oh, well, if you like this, you're like... Out of all the gangster films I've watched, this one is...

Easily my favorite. I like the, I like the, cause I know it's about the casinos right before they started getting, you know, heavily regulated. So I really want to watch it. Cause I, I've read about a lot about like the real incidents behind it. How, how, how great lengths the FBI went to try and,

- Yeah. - It sounds insane. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Such a good movie. - And like I said, even though Robert De Niro is in this Joe Pesci just fucking. - Oh, Joe Pesci. - It does seem like all of the gangster movies, there are four actors. - Yeah. - Like, I get it. I get it. - It works. - 'Cause they're good. De Niro's good. But De Niro is in every single one of these films. - Yeah. - He's a natural born mob boss. - He is the gangster. - Yeah, he's a natural born mob boss. - And like Joe Pesci is just.

the wild card in every gangster film. You're like, "He's so good in this life." - He is. Obviously everyone knows the- - Am I a clown? Do I amuse you? - What's funny? - What's so fucking funny? - Everyone knows that scene. - Which apparently I heard was like slightly improvised.

Yeah, I always take it with a grain of salt because it's always like 10 fucking scenes that actors didn't script. And that always comes up as I think Joe Pesci talked about how he sat with a actual real gangster and that happened to him. And so I'm not sure how true the unscripted part of it is, but I know that Joe Pesci used his experience with a real gangster to...

to bring the tension in that scene. - This is the only other movie that like Ray Liotta, I feel after this movie, I don't know what else he was in other than B movie.

- It's sad to think that in my knowledge of movies, Ray Liotta is Goodfellas and Bee Movie. - He probably made his bank. - I'm sure he did. - I think it's not for everyone. Maybe he just didn't want to. I don't know. I'm just guessing. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, it's not my favorite Martin Scorsese film, I think. - What's your favorite?

- Casino was up there as well for me. - Casino, yeah. I think I really liked the Departed. - I've seen Casino. - Oh, Departed. - I like the Departed. - I think in terms of Martin Scorsese, I think Departed's like one of his more underrated movies, but like I just,

I just love everyone does has a fucking stellar performance in that. Yeah. Even like Mark Wahlberg. Mark Wahlberg has like very few lines and every line he says. Marky Mark. Marky Mark. Yeah. I'm a guy who does his job. Who the fuck are you?

Alright, what else have we got? Should we go up? Scroll up. Brazil. Another fantastic movie. Makes 1984 look like a cheerful afternoon picnic. Terry Gilliam's dystopian fever dream is a world so richly realized it makes even Blade Runner look like it was knocked together with cardboard and glue sticks.

bureaucracy, totalitarianism, and industry hellscapes collide in a way that feels alarmingly relevant today. They don't make films like this anymore. Fuck the volumes and green screen. I want films shot in the cooling tower of an abandoned power plant. God, why does Chris's...

Why does Chris's reasoning sound like a fucking Guardian article? Yeah, it really does. Have you guys seen Brazil? No. I'll be honest, I've not seen a single movie on this list. Really? Brazil, I only watched because this is one of my dad's favorite films, actually. It was written and directed by Terry Gilliam, who is a former member of Monty Python.

And after Monty Python, he went on to, I guess, make a bunch of films. And this is kind of his like magnum opus. Yeah, as Chris said, it's very like 1984 coded, very like kind of dystopian hell. It's like a dystopian hell on an acid trip.

- It's a really weird film, but it's brilliant. - I'll try and watch at least half of these films. I mean like, yeah, this sounds amazing. - It's so like visually as well for 1984, this movie was like really ahead of its time. It's like really tripping, really cool effects. So yeah, good choice so far. - Yeah, I haven't seen this one, but this one definitely- - This is the most Chris core movie though.

- It looks like it. - How so? - Just because it's very much like this and like this and 2001 and Heat is like usually the picks of like, you know, the movie. - Oh, is it really? - Like filmography enjoyer kind of movies. - Not the most talked about, but definitely the most, one of the most appreciated from a filmmaking perspective. - Most analyzed for sure as well. - Yeah. - All right. - Definitely. - Yeah. - Why is it called Brazil?

I don't know, actually. Is this where all the Brazil memes started from? Brazil being hell? Come to Brazil. Yeah, that's right. Why is it called Brazil? I think... It is named after the recurrent theme song. Ari Barrio says...

- We know it's Brazil to British audiences. - Oh, I didn't know that. - There you go. - There you go. - You learn something new every day. - What else is on there? Let's see. - Next one would be- - Planes, trains and automobiles. - I haven't seen this one either. - The ultimate road trip and one of the funniest films ever made, which I could watch over and over. John Candy steals the show. Oh man, I fucking love John Candy. As well as being laugh out loud funny, you'll still cry a couple of scenes. Made me never want to set foot in Kansas.

I watch this every Christmas and every Christmas I laugh myself stupid before quietly weeping into a mince pie. I mean, I think this looks like some of like the old school comedies that used to come out like Airplane and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. I do remember Chris saying Airplane was like up there as like a movie he really liked as well. But I mean- I wouldn't be surprised. Have you guys watched this film? I have not watched this film, but I love John Candy, so I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

The only memory I have of John Candy is the fucking Home Alone where he's helping them get back to New York. Yeah. That's the only memory I have of John Candy. Yeah. He's a fucking great actor. And obviously Cool Runnings.

Oh my God. Cool Runnings. Oh my God. I completely forgot that that was a thing. Yeah, I love him in Cool Runnings. He's great in that. Great movie. Great movie. Obviously, 2001 Space Odyssey, Joey. I fucking love this movie. That was on your three by three as well. But meaning to watch this. Actually, I am going to watch it because it's going to be playing in Japan.

Oh, really? In like a month or two, I think. Oh, shit. I want to go check it out. Is it a month or two? It might actually be like later, but yeah, it's going to be out soon. I'm going to watch it. The first time I watched this as a child, I fell asleep. The second time as an adult, I had what can only be described as a religious experience. Kubrick didn't just make a film. He made a meditation on existence itself accompanied by an eerie overbearing soundtrack that sounds like the universe mocking.

you above all you'll wonder how in the utter world of fuck did stanley kubrick and his team pull off something this visually astonishing 1968 yeah that is one thing you watch this film and you're like there is no fucking way he filmed this in 1968 because there are just some practical effects where you're like yeah how do you even begin to start doing that i appreciate that chris added and you'll wonder how utter utter world of the fuck did he do because i was unsure it didn't sound like chris this review

Yeah, Otterwald or fuck. It sounded too polished to be Chris. I was like, what is this? And I was like, oh, it's Chris. You want the Otterwald or fuck? I'm glad Chris put that in there. Now I know it's him. Yeah, I've been meaning to watch this for obviously a long time. But again, one of those movies where I feel like Headspace...

And it's important. I need to be fully locked in. My dad, again, this is up there as one of my dad's favorite movies. And he tried multiple attempts to get me to watch this movie with him and enjoy it. And I think, yeah, the first time, kind of similar to Chris, the first time I watched it, I was like in high school and I was like, yeah, this is visually cool, but I don't really understand what's going on. But then as I watched it as an adult with my dad, yeah, it's, I agree with Chris. It is an insane movie to watch.

You won't understand it just straight up. Cause the, the, the, the plot is very confusing, especially in the third act. But yeah, it's brilliant, brilliant piece of filmmaking. - You know, I've been thinking about this. How, how important do you think it is to understand a film?

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- I think it depends. I think it completely depends on what the director was intending. Like, cause I feel like with 2001, it's Stanley Kubrick kind of made it in a way where it's so open-ended and everything's awful. Like, you know, everything's up for interpretation where like, I think he just wanted to,

tell a basic story and then add a lot of just like cool visual elements to kind of make you think. Because a lot of the movie has no dialogue. Yeah. At all. So you kind of just have to use visual cues to figure out like, okay, maybe this is what is happening or maybe this is what it's about. You know, the fact that after what, fucking almost 70 years of the movie being out, that people are still trying to like discern like,

what does the ending of the movie even mean? - Sorry, 70 years. - Yeah, well, it's almost 70, right? - 60. - 60 years. - I was like the math, I'm like- - I can't do math, my bad. 60 years of the movie coming out. It's like, you know, like have you guys seen like any bits from 2001? - Oh yeah. - I've seen the occasional clip that I don't really want to watch 'cause I'm like, I think I should just go into this completely blind. - Yeah.

answering your question, Garnt, of how much do I need to understand the film? I think there is a part, there was a part of me that for a long time, maybe I would get self-conscious if I didn't understand the film. I'd be like, am I just fucking dumb? Like, did I not get it? But the more I've kind of watched more films and kind of maybe taken it more online discussion and seeing how other people interpret the films, people are so quick to try and interpret media that sometimes I more so now feel that

Maybe on the first watch, I'm not always supposed to understand all the themes, but I think that the whole point is that I'm thinking about the things. I'm thinking about what it's trying to say. I'm trying to kind of discern some meaning from my whole life. - I actually personally prefer it more if I don't fully understand it because it kind of opens up the conversation and I like hearing from other people's perspectives of like,

as you said, kind of like, oh, I interpreted it this way or I interpreted it this way. And every now and then you'll see someone's interpretation of the film, which makes you completely reshape how you watch the film or maybe makes you realize like, oh yeah, right, that's what that might mean.

I'm sure as well, like when you make a film that can be interpreted in so many ways, or maybe, you know, even as a director, maybe you meant it in one way, but left enough ambiguity where people can interpret it in different ways. I imagine there's some value though still in having it be interpreted differently than intended. Because I just think that anyone who can kind of gain some meaning from it has a different perspective and some unique perspective.

- Yeah, because I guess the reason I asked this was because like, I guess I remember like early on when I started watching anime, getting into films and stuff, I'm like, I had this obsession of like, I need to get it. I need to understand it. You'd finish a film and then you'd like, what just happened? You'd go online and you'd immediately like search up what was the meaning of this film? Tell me what to think. Tell me what this was about. And I think,

I think as I grew older, I've realized sometimes just like you don't need to necessarily understand everything. I've just come, I've just found a deeper appreciation of just like how film makes me feel. You know, I don't necessarily need to come out of the film being like, I get it. I get it. But sometimes you come out of a film and you're like,

wow, that made me feel things and I'm still processing stuff. I'm still processing a lot of things. And I don't know if I truly get all of the plot points, but damn, I'm really appreciating how this film made me feel. Yeah. I think it's a thin line as well, because I feel like some people will argue maybe after they've watched the film that they don't understand. Some people will throw out the argument of like, oh, maybe I didn't understand the movie because

I don't have the capacity to understand it or I don't understand it because the film was bad and it didn't present it in a way that could be understandable. I think arguments can be thrown for both ways, but that's always hard, right? Because I'm sure there's a lot of people listening to this episode who are feeling the latter where they're like, oh, I didn't understand it, therefore it was a bad movie. Yeah, and sometimes I don't necessarily agree with even the, you know, if you didn't understand it,

you just can't get it. I see sometimes there are ways that stories are told that just inherently make more sense to certain people. And so I don't necessarily think it means like you're fucking stupid or anything like that. Sometimes you just don't fuck with the stories or you couldn't, the visual metaphors didn't fuck with you or your brain doesn't connect dots or something like that in certain situations. I think it's just like- - Yeah, that's why I totally don't blame people who watched 2001 are like, this was shit. - Yeah, that's gonna be me.

I'm going to watch it. I'm going to watch it and I'm not going to get it. And I'll be like, that's so fucking cool. I can't wait to wait five years to watch this again. And then maybe I'll get it. Yeah. Cause sometimes I watch a film or an anime and sometimes it's, it's almost like, I don't even know if the filmmaker truly knew what message he wanted to send. Sometimes it almost feels like he just wanted to put some emotions or put some ideas on screen. He,

they don't know if there is like a definite concrete, this is what I am trying to say, but they wanted to just, you know, like cathartically release something that they had been holding on inside. And I guess, I guess to me, I've kind of like appreciated, not just like films, but even like music as well. Sometimes you listen to music and music has this like weird effect where you don't sometimes even need to listen to lyrics for me to be like, damn, I get it.

I get what I get whatever I get it. I could be listening to some Japanese track don't understand what is being said and like I listen to the song and like oh yeah this is like oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah boys I get what they're trying to say with this and uh yeah I guess brings us to Blade Runner which is another who doesn't like this movie which is another I guess bad pick I would say never watched

Blade Runner. You've never watched Blade Runner? I watched the sequel. I haven't watched the sequel. Watched the sequel because it's out in cinemas. Yeah. Again, like some of these films I want to watch, but I want to watch them in the fucking cinemas. Yeah. Because it is like just such a fucking different experience. Yeah. I really want to watch the sequel. Yeah, same. Super bad. I remember not getting the sequel. I remember I was kind of like, okay, okay.

It was just Ryan Gosling looking sexy and brooding. Yeah. That's all I need. I've only seen clips of it online and I'm like, I don't, I've heard that not a lot happens in this film, but damn, the vibes of the clips I've seen are just on fucking point. Yeah. To the point where they've gotten memed so fucking often. Like the fucking Ryan Gosling with that.

with the AI woman or something. I'm like, this film is what guys wish they could be when they're like- - Legit. - Like visually- - When they're just like tired and alone. - Loved it. And I wanted to like it so much 'cause it looked like my kind of film. Like I felt like it was speaking to me. - Right. - But then I couldn't understand the language. And I felt dumb. - Is it? Yeah, because I haven't seen the sequel. Is the sequel like one of those sequels where you have to have watched the original to enjoy it or?

I would imagine it would help a lot. Right. I don't think it's necessary, but I think to understand where the story was at in the world building, I think it helps a lot for sure. Right, right. Because I felt definitely a bit of confusion that maybe could have been avoided if I had watched the original. Yeah. Yeah. This is going to be the most me thing to say, but I've also read the original book that Blade Runner was based on. Oh, shit. I didn't even know it was based on a book. It's loosely based off a book called Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

which is like considered one of the greatest sci-fi novels ever written. - Okay. - Yeah, yeah. - And they fucking killed it with the movie as well. - You guys watched the original movie? - I've watched it, yeah. - I haven't actually watched it. - You liked it? - So fucking good. - Is it worthy of a spot on the three by three? - Yeah, yeah. This is one of the best like- - Do you think it's aged well? - Oh, absolutely. Yeah. - Okay. - Yeah, absolutely. - Again, I wanna watch all these classics and go through them. - Yeah. - Let's hear Chris's reasoning as to why it's put on the list.

I can't imagine what it must have been like watching this in 1982. It's not a film. It's a full century experience. It feels as though we're entering a living, breathing parallel universe. The movie is lauded for its special effects, but the secret to Blade Runner is they simply went and built the world. They built an entire city in miniature. They built an entire district to scale. They hired hundreds of extras to trudge through the rain, holding neon-lit umbrellas. The scale of it all is astonishing, and I feel genuinely sad when I watch it, knowing movies these days simply haven't

the budget or resources to create something as captivating as this. Yes, the sequel was great, but the original is still superior. Damn. Couldn't have said it better, Chris. Great explanation. What about Sexy Beast? I've never heard of this one. I love this film as it has the most basic plot. Retired...

Gangster. - Oh, gangster. Retired gangster gets drawn back in for one more crime. - One more crime. - Just one more. Yet every aspect of the film is next level. Ben Kingsley, usually known for playing Gandhi, transforms into the most terrifying unhinged gangster you'll ever see. - Is he usually known for playing Gandhi? - I don't know. - I'm pretty sure Ben Kingsley had Chris. - I mean, he did play Gandhi in that one movie.

- I've only seen that one movie, but I'm pretty sure he has a very decorated career. - Okay, okay. - It has a visual style unlike any other gangster film thanks to the director Jonathan Glazer who cut his teeth working on music videos. Oh, he did the version on- - Oh shit, hell yeah. - Best music video ever made. - Banger, banger. - But the whole thing has a surreal dreamlike quality that I've never found in any other crime film. It's a reminder that the execution of an idea is where the real magic lies in making something great. Damn, I mean, salt me.

- Okay, I gotta watch this. - Chris really likes his gangster films, huh? - Yeah, yeah. From everything I'm reading for like Chris's explanation, I'm like, "Chris, make a film, mate. Just make a film." - Legit. - I know you fucking want to, Chris. - Make a gangster film, Chris. We know you want to. - Just take that skit you put in every journey across Japan

- I just make that a fucking feature length. - Just take that skit of Natsuki trying to assassinate Ryo Taro and just turn that into a feature film. We'd watch the shit out of that. - This is one that you've watched, right, Joey? "Tampple Hall"? - I haven't watched this one. - Oh, I thought you watched this one. - No, I've heard of this film. - Is that racist to me to assume you just watched this? - Yeah, very much so. It's like Japanese film, Joey seen it. - You watched this, right? This is like your Harry Potter.

I've never watched this, but I have heard of this movie. Okay. So this is, Chris says, this is Japan's very own spaghetti western or ramen western. Very clever. One of the most original films you'll ever see. An underperforming ramen shop enlists the help of a passing truck driver to improve her ramen. What begins is an epic quest for the perfect bowl mixed with western and samurai film tropes intercut with surrealist random scenes of people enjoying and interacting with

There's nothing else like it. If you don't feel compelled to eat ramen immediately after watching it, then you might be clinically dead. - Clinically dead. - Fair enough. - Damn. - It's from famous director. What is his name? Japanese guy. Come on. - Which one? - He's like the most famous director, right? Fucking super famous director, no? - Is it? - Scroll up, scroll up. The director's always on the side by Google. Okay, that's fine.

- Oh fuck, I thought it was someone else, fuck. - Are you talking about Kurosawa? - I thought it was him. Wait, what's his other comedy movie with, what's his name? Chris's mate, Chris's mate. - Oh, Ken Watanabe? - Yes, the comedy film with Ken Watanabe. Which one's that one? - By Kurosawa? - Isn't it by Kurosawa? - I don't know. - Or is it not a comedy film? - Is it not a, maybe it's not, it might not be a Kurosawa film. - Connor's like, I know one director.

and he directed every Japanese film. - I know one Japanese actor, it's Ken Watanabe. He's in every Japanese film. - Every film is Kurosawa and Ken Watanabe. - Okay, this one does start Ken Watanabe. - I'm just misremembering things. Okay, I'm getting confused.

I've seen every Kurosawa movie. Okay, so I was mixing up Kurosawa, but it was the Ken Watanabe comedy film I was thinking of, but I thought it was directed by Kurosawa. Right, right. But it actually wasn't. My bad. Apologies. Oh my God, I'm dumb. But this is one of the, I guess for a Western audience, this is one of the rare instances of seeing Ken Watanabe actually act in Japanese. Yeah. Because I feel like most people in the West only know him for his Hollywood films, right? Yeah, I guess so. I can't even remember the first time I saw Ken Watanabe. I think it might have been, oh,

Oh, probably is. That was the first time he really came out onto the Hollywood scene. Yeah. But he's been an actor in the Japan scene. Oh, he's in Inception, of course. I remember Inception. He's in both Godzilla movies. Well, of course he is. Oh, he's the doctor? Cool. I just, I haven't even seen the Godzilla films and I just know his line with a like, he's like, let them fight. That's,

- Fuck yeah. - And I'm like, I don't need any more context. I know what kind of- - Letters to Iwo Jima. - God, I haven't watched this in so long. - That's such a good movie too. - Yeah. - And I guess- - All right. I definitely need to check this out. 'Cause I've heard a couple of people talking about this movie. I've definitely, yeah. But I've just haven't had the time to check it out. - And I guess ending things off with "Moholan Drive". - Another great movie. - Another movie I haven't watched.

- David Lynch, man. - David Lynch doing David Lynch films in the most David Lynch way possible. - More unsettling than any horror film and twice as confusing. The first time you watch it, you'll be baffled. The second time you'll start forming theories. By the fifth time you'll be in a YouTube rabbit hole of analysis videos questioning your insanity. But that's what makes it brilliant. - That was the first time for me. I'm gonna be real, "Mohon Drive" is, when I talked about how important is it to understand films, I think "Mohon Drive" was the first time I watched a film and I'm like,

I just, I don't understand. I don't understand anything. Lynch isn't just making a film. He's inviting you to lose yourself in a world of dreams and nightmares. Honestly, more than just a film. This is cinema at its most audacious. And frankly, we could use more of that. Yeah. Mulholland Drive, you know, David Lynch's stuff is already confusing enough as it is. Mm-hmm.

with especially a lot of his earlier works, you know, like Race Ahead and Elephant Man and stuff like that. But Mulholland Drive was the first time where I was, yeah, I agree. It is one of the most unsettling movies I've ever watched. It's so bizarre. What is it about?

- That's a great fucking question, dude. - You know what, let's go to the synopsis. - Let's go to the synopsis. - You can tell me how accurate this is. I'll give a read. - I haven't seen this movie in a long time, to be fair. I have seen this movie twice. - Yeah, I'll read the, scroll up, you're gonna pass it. It's underneath the thing. There it is. - Yeah, right there. - After a car wreck on Mulholland Drive renders a woman amnesiac. Amnesiac? Did I say that right? I don't know why I thought. - Yeah, amnesiac. - I don't know why I thought, in my head I thought I said bulimic.

I said amnesiac, but it felt like I was saying bulimic. She and a Hollywood hopeful search for clues and answers across Los Angeles in a twisting venture beyond dreams and reality. So the most confusing thing is, yeah, again, this is about a woman. The main character loses her memory. And so because you're basically following an unreliable narrator. It gets really confusing and trippy. It starts to get really confusing. So you're constantly questioning yourself. Yeah, it's like there are so many scenes where you're like,

Is this actually happening or is it a memory? - That sounds awesome. - It's a really cool movie. - So the fucking cinematography in this is fantastic because everything about this, it hits this uncanny valley where you've like something normal could be happening and you feel unsettled because you, but you don't really know why.

- This is like analog horror before analog horror. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say this has one of the most terrifying scenes that lives with me. Just not even like, cause it's, you know, anything horrific happens, just the way that David Lynch builds up tension. It's the one where the guy talks about the dream, by the way, that's the sequence I'm talking about. The way he builds up tension,

with the storytelling in that scene, it keeps you on the edge of your seat. And the scene comes out nowhere. The scene is,

The scene starts with just, you know, the film starts with the story of this woman moving to Los Angeles. And then randomly, it cuts to just these two guys talking in a diner. And one guy talking about his dream. And the more the scene goes on, the more unsettling it gets. And it's purely just through...

the words that he says, the way he acts the scene and you not knowing whether he's talking about reality or talking about something that didn't happen. Yeah. I genuinely think this is one of David Lynch's best films. Yeah. Like by a long shot. I mean, I love down. Yeah. It's, it's fucking, yeah. It's a mind fuck. I get existential dread whenever I like,

forget to lock the door, but it turns out I did lock the door. I just remember locking the door. So that kind of anxiety. - Imagine that for an hour and a half. - That kind of anxiety, like seeing someone else go through it, it'd be like, oh. - Rest in peace to a goat by the way. - I would say that I think out of all the confusing films, this one is actually more akin to like a puzzle piece.

So from the fucking analysis that I've seen and from what I've read, it does seem pretty convincing that there is a storyline that you can follow in this. And there are answers about what this film, what happened within this film. You just really, really, really need to look for it. Okay.

All right. Well, that was Chris's three by three. Honestly, very Chris. Yeah. Very Chris call. I also noticed that not a lot of new movies. Yeah. I was going to say the newest, the newest one was from 2001. Yeah. Yeah. Chris likes, likes the films he likes. He loves the classics. Yeah. I mean, this is a film student's dream. Yep. You know, and,

Good taste, Chris. Good taste. All right. What's the next three by three we should check out? Let's just go from the top. Let's go from the top. All right. We asked Pootie Pie Felix for his gaming three by three. Wow. Wow. I wasn't expecting this. Okay. I

I have a couple of questions. Donkey Konga 2? Yeah. That's the one with the bongos, right? Yeah. Donkey Konga 2. Soundtrack slaps so hard. Would play this whenever I was sick as a kid because we didn't have a console, but would rent one for those times.

- Donkey Kong 2 is the music game with the bongos, right? - Yes, the rhythm game. Going from Chris's fucking Guardian-esque reviews of his films to Minecraft is best game of all time. - I remember the fucking, I think it was Donkey Kong 1. I remember my friend's house, he had the bongos. I didn't have them at the time. I was so fucking jealous that he had the bongos. - Yeah.

I remember he would on loop play the fucking, "I get knocked down, but I get up again on the fucking bongo." And it goes. And I would sit there for like two hours watching him play this same song over and over again, trying to perfect the score. And it drove me fucking insane. - That's such a perfect choice for a song as well. - Fucking Donkey Konga too.

- I really liked, I don't know if you, did you have the Donkey Kong mongos? - I did. - So I got them later on, back when they were all like discounted and stuff. I could finally afford this peripheral, which is ridiculous. - Hold the phone boys. Let me just come in here real quick and tell you about today's sponsor, Shopify. If you guys don't know,

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Back to the episode. They released like a platformer game that was using the bongos. I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was so fucking sick because then you get to the end of the session and you get to the boss and you would like fight the fucking other Donkey Kongs on a raft by fucking slapping these bongos. Oh my God, I remember that. It was so fucking sick and so well made and like ingenious design.

by using like beats and claps. It was a platform that was totally- - Donkey Kong Jungle Beat. - Dude, it was so fucking- - Yeah, my friend had this game. - This game was actually so fire back in the day. - Hell yeah. - Like it is weird and the controls don't feel natural, but when you get used to them, it's genuinely so good.

So like, yeah, you can show like here. - Yeah. - You see like, you clap to like get the enemies away. - Oh. - And then you clap to when you get near the thing. And then I think you, no, no, sorry, you beat, sorry. But then you clap to jump, I think. - Right. - Right. - So it was so sick. You're like, you know. - You literally become a monkey. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It was actually so fire. Like it was awesome. And then the boss fights were genuinely so fucking cool. I don't know if we can skip to show a boss fight somewhere in the video. Oh yeah, there you go, there you go, there.

You fucking have to like, look at this shit. - Beat the shit out of them. - Yeah, it was kind of like, what are those? Those little board game with the two robots punching each other. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - You kind of have to wait for the opening, but then when you do, you fucking go like, fucking go crazy. - It's like Mike Tyson's Punch-Out, but Donkey Kong. - Yeah, it was honestly amazing. Like it was so, so good. Really amazing game. - You were the cool kid if you had this game. - And I thought it was better than Donkey Kong 2. - Okay, okay. - Sue me, sue me.

- Look at this. - Oh, that looks good. - Singing that as a kid. - Just fucking throw that, yeah. - It's your dream. - Yeah, hell yeah. - Oh, it was so good. Anyway, sorry, we're about to tell this. Sorry Felix for hijacking your list to talk about a better game. - All right. - Donkey Kong 2, not bad. - Okay. - Minecraft we have to, like, I mean, it's just, it is the goat. - It is the goat. I mean, we play it on Patreon, if you guys want to check that out by the way, patreon.com/trashtaste. - It's one of those games where it's almost undeniable to be like, it's not one of the greatest. You can't argue it's not one of the greatest games of all time. - You can't hate Minecraft. It's hard to hate.

- Is it boring? - I will find a way. - Is it a boring and safe "Google Gaga Pig"? Yes, yes it is. - It's only as boring as you make it out to be. "Minecraft" can be an exciting game. - I was hoping for some spiciness, you know? - Yeah, you can. There's like a bajillion mods for that game. - Okay. - All right. Let's see, "Model Warfare 2" because I had 2000 hours in it.

Yeah, I mean, wasn't Felix's, like, first gameplay videos? Yeah, he was in Modern Warfare 2. Dude, Felix is a, at heart, he's a toxic gamer. He's a toxic gamer. At heart, he is a very toxic gamer. Look, you don't spend your days in the modern, uh, COD Modern Warfare 2 lobbies without having some toxicity. Absolutely. Like, just rub off onto you. Okay. I feel like out of all the OG Xbox one, I don't know, Modern Warfare just had, like, a specialness to it just for how toxic it was.

- You know, I've been on like Halo. - Modern Warfare 2 specifically, I think was the most top. - Right, right. I've been on Halo, I've been on Gears of War and something about Modern Warfare 2 just brought out the worst in kids. - Was Modern Warfare 2 where like the squeakers originated from? - So Modern Warfare 1 was very popular, but Modern Warfare 2 is where I think it reached its like

- Peak, mainstream, COD, everything. Modern Warfare 3 was very popular as well, but Modern Warfare 2 is when it was peak. - Yeah, I remember everyone in high school had it except for me. - 'Cause I feel like what the perfect concoction was, was I feel like Modern Warfare 2 was just the, just,

enough kids and adults playing it at the same time. I feel like with Halo and Gears of War, by my experience, it was more like, you know, we didn't see as many like super young kids, you know, it was more like teenagers and adults. Whereas when Modern Warfare 2, every cult lobby had at least one fucking squeaker on and you know, they would get bullied to shit. - 'Cause it was like most people's,

First time ever being on like a open mic. Yeah. With random people. Like it's just shit. Because, you know, they would, you know, you would get this Xbox and they would give you this headset that came with it. Yeah. And it would just slot in the controller. And of course you would use it because it's fucking cool. And it's like new technology. Oh my God.

- It's like shut up kid. - Not to be like old man shouts a cloud, but like now you have to have a headset, you have to have a headset plugged in, you have to go into the game, make sure it's selected the right device, make sure you have text to speech, sorry, push to talk on or something like that. It's a whole- - Way too complicated. - It's complicated, whereas back then it was just, you plugged the mic in, the mic was on and you were talking to people and it was live and I think it was just so unadulterated and so new that people were like, "Oh, dear." And also that game was toxic as fuck

Because there was dumb shit in it, like noob tubes. You know this? I know the name. One man army noob tube camping. And camping was so good because you die so fast in this game. And so it was really easy to get fucking killed over and over again from a guy sitting across the map. And then you're like, you know what? I'll flank him. I'll go into his room. He's got claymores galore in that room. He's already pre-camped and rigged the whole room to kill me. It's just like the game was made to make you pissed off. Some of the most iconic audio memes come from

- Come to fucking Birmingham. I'll rip your fucking head off. - Danny G. - That's for Danny G. - Classic. - It was peak. - Oh man. - Bring back that kind of toxicity in games. - Hell yeah. - We got Tibia. - I never played Tibia. - I never played Tibia. - I was always a RuneScape.

- He said, oh, Felix said Tibia since RuneScape is for children. - Wait, I thought RuneScape was for children. - I thought RuneScape was for children as well. - I thought RuneScape was very like beginner friendly, very good to get into. - What's wrong with that? I mean, I was a child when I played RuneScape. - When we see Tibia on YouTube, I want to see this. I've actually never seen this game. - I feel like I've heard this game, but I don't know anyone who ever played it. Tibia first look HD. - Oh my Lord.

Oh, wow. It's like a top-down... MMO heart. Wow. What is going on? Damn. I mean, it's just top-down RuneScape, isn't it? Yeah. Damn. Damn, all right. Okay. It just looks like slower, worse RuneScape. Yeah.

But I mean, yeah, imagine if this was like your first, you know, because when you got on the internet, you played the first game you found. Of course. You didn't look. You weren't like, oh, this one isn't very good. I'll look for more. You're like, oh, this one is a game. This is one I'm dedicating the next five years to play. This is a game. I will now play it. It's all we've got. Yeah, because I got fucking addicted to like the first one I found. I think it was called like Bang Howdy. Bang Howdy? Yeah, type it in. Bang Howdy online gameplay. I got fucking so addicted to this game.

as a kid, literally the only, it was the first MMO that I saw on- - It's on Steam. - I saw it on Miniclip though. - Oh shit. - So I got in there through Miniclip. This is the game? - Miniclip, the good old days. - Yeah, this was it. - Oh shit. - Oh, it's like cowboy runescape. - Yeah. - No, no, no, it's cowboy, it's cowboy like- - Starcraft. - Starcraft, kind of no base management, but it's all about like, you both get three units and you both have to like- - Oh wow. - Kind of direct them at each other.

So I got very addicted to this and I ended up playing it quite a lot. - What was the first MMO you played? - I don't think I've ever played an MMO. - Really? - I've never played an MMO. - Holy shit. - Yes. - You didn't grow up playing MMOs? - No. - How have you dodged that crack fire? - I didn't have friends, I guess. - I got into this solo. - MMOs to me was like- - You thought it was a friend thing? - I thought it was a friend thing. And I think I tried playing one MMO once. I can't remember. It was something, it was like a superhero MMO.

I can't remember. Can you just search up superhero MMO? Marvel Rivals. Well, Marvel Rivals is not an MMO. City of Heroes, that was the one. City of Heroes. Yeah, this came out ages ago. I remember loading up and being super nervous to talk to someone. I go into an area. Oh, I remember this one.

I go into an area and there's a guy who has fucking underwear on. He fucking solos me. And I'm like, yeah, this game's ass. - This game's ass. - I also got into Toontown. - Which is still kept alive by the way. It has a big following. - Why do I know it? - It's the Disney MMO. - Yes, yes, I do know it. Yeah, I never played it, but. - Toontown MMO.

Yeah, this is the one. I mean, the first one technically, I guess, if we're not... I mean, RuneScape, obviously, but before that, for me, it's the classic Club Penguin. Oh my god, yeah. That was the first MMO I played. I played the... Like, me and my sister... What are you doing, Club Penguin? Just be a fucking penguin. Just avoid...

That's the final boss. Yeah. That is most of the game. You actually clear Club Penguin. So you have successfully evaded five predators. I think what they were so... What they were so ahead of the time is that... Obviously, back then, I felt like when games like this were developed and they were just doing so well, they just kept adding shit. And every time you log on Club Penguin, there was something new. And then whenever they...

Whenever they would like fully do like a Halloween thing, it was kind of the most insane shit ever to a kid brain. You were like,

- Oh my God, this place I go to every day is totally Halloween themed. - Yeah, there's like pumpkins everywhere. - And I get like a Halloween dance and a Halloween outfit by doing this Halloween game. It was just like they constantly updated it. It was so fun. - My only memory of Club Penguin was me and my sister getting incredibly sweaty at the fucking sledding mini game. - Oh my God, I know. And the coffee bean. - The coffee bean bag game. - Yeah, I played that fucking game way too much. - We were so sweaty playing that game.

- It was kind of like baby's first social experience. - Yeah. - Where you would kind of like, it was kind of like a generally safe way to talk to random people online. - Just destroying kids in fucking this coffee bean game. - Yeah, you had to like collect coffee bean bags. - Oh my God, this is such a throwback. Fuck. Bean counters. Yeah.

- What a great fucking game plan. - Then you'd get money and then you'd spend the money. - Yeah, yeah. - Okay. And this was before microtransactions, it was membership that they had. - Yes, that's right. - Which is such a simpler time. I miss membership as the only way to spend money. - What a banger. Rest in peace. - Damn. - This is so weird looking back on. - I totally miss the Club Penguin RuneScape. I mean, RuneScape was around when I was in school, but I don't know, it just didn't appeal to me, I guess.

- I didn't truly get into multiplayer games until the Xbox actually. And by then it was all like Call of Duty, Gears of War and Halo. - Let's go over the rest of this. We got Pokemon Blue. I truly believe the first Pokemon game you play is the one that you're most attached to. - Yeah, always. - Normally speaking. World of Warcraft III, Frozen Throne. - Oh, for Dota. - The best MOBA. Interesting. He's a MOBA player too. It makes sense. That's why he's so toxic. - And then Starcraft 64.

I made this list a while back. Would replace with Elden Ring now. - Interesting. - I mean, if he replaces with Elden Ring, that would be the only modern game on his list. This game is pure nostalgia for someone who grew up on the internet. - Well, I mean, Minecraft, technically.

- It's modern, I guess. - Well, I guess it's probably 'cause this is the time when Felix was probably really, really into gaming. Whereas now I feel like Felix doesn't game as much and does it occasionally, I think, from, I think it's pretty safe to say. So I think, you know, "Half-Life 2" is about amnesia. - Amnesia, of course, yeah. - Impact on my life. - Because of its impact on my life, plus it scared the shit out of me. We all know Felix, we all know. - Yeah, those fucking amnesia videos. - Yeah, those classics. - That was like peak internet. - Everyone grew up with that shit. And then "Half-Life 2" since it forever holds up. I agree.

- I still have not played Half-Life. - I wanna play it too. I gotta get around to it. - That's a great game. - I feel like I have to play Half-Life 1 as well. So there's two games I have to play. It's not just Half-Life 2, you have to play Half-Life 1 to enjoy Half-Life 2. And now I'm in for the long run. - Yeah. - All right. - All right. - Very fearless. - Fair enough. - All right. - Good stuff. - Should we go to Maylene's comfort food list? - Okay. We asked Maylene for a three by three comfort foods. - How many fucking noodles? - Yeah, there's a lot of noodles. Bless you. - Sorry, Hacker.

All right, let's go down. What do we got? Okay, can I scroll up real quick? Can I look at the pictures? Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Hey, she's got spaghetti bolognese there. She has got spag bol on there. Finally, someone who also appreciates spag bol. She's going to have some weight in the air now where she's like, it's not just spag bol, spag bol with the sweat of the chef. It's truly a comfort food.

or something like that. Okay. Spag balls. I'm not surprised is on there. Cause the one memory I have of hanging out with million in America was, I think it was like,

- Oh yeah, she made that mountain of spagbog. - It was like 2:00 AM and we're just like chilling, we're drinking. We get like a little bit hungry. I'm talking like just peckish. We've already had like a big dinner, it's fucking America. We're like, "Are there any like chips or crisps or any snacks?" And Maylene's like- - I don't know if you should call them chips. - I know, I know. - And then Maylene's like, "I'll cook for you guys." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And we're like, "All right, what's she gonna cook up?" Comes out with two kilos of spagbog.

- I wasn't involved in this, but I walked in just seeing the absolute pile of spag bol. I was like, what the fuck? - I still have the video of when she like pulls out, we're just like, what the fuck? I just wanted a snack. I'm like, we just wanted a casual snack. - Hey, we finished that shit. - Okay, should we go through the list? 'Cause I can't tell what every single thing is. - Okay, Bolognese. I like any slow cooked tomato meat pasta. It's just carbs and easy, chewy in all caps, deep,

Tang. All in one. Leftover sauce can be frozen for emergency lazy meal. I agree. Maybe it's a texture thing. Yeah. Maybe. Baguette pate. I got to agree with this one. It's fine. Nothing like a toasted baguette that is crispy with a spread of pate. Going full Viet sub sandwich is a pain in the ass. This is crispy and umami in your mouth fast. Shut the fuck up.

- Shut the fuck up. Don't throw the umami word out there. - I hate when people say umami, man. I know it's a legit thing, but when people say it, it always sounds stupid. - Yeah, the moment the word umami is thrown into any food critique, I'm just like quiet. - But that being said. - Silence. - I think baguette pate is one of my favorite combos as well.

Probably one of the best fucking flavors. It's weird. I don't like liver, but I love liver pate. Yeah, me too. I can't handle liver. Pate is not my jam. Yeah, I thought I didn't like pate because I didn't like liver. But then I, you know, the more I tried and the more I tried some different ones, I kind of was really won over by it. Totally. And I feel the flavor. It just has this dusty aftertaste that I just can't like. Dusty? Yeah, yeah. It's the liver aftertaste. Dude, no.

- Oh, I love it with coffee as well. With coffee it's amazing. - With coffee? - Yeah, dude. - I mean, I'll have it with like a wine. - No, 'cause I love baguette pate as like a breakfast thing. - A breakfast thing? Really? - Yeah, like a light breakfast. You just have like- - Ugh, you're French. - I'm not French. I'm not French. Okay, first of all, I'm not French. Okay, take that back. - Mademoiselle. - Take that back, guys. You better take that back. - Baguette pate and a coffee? - Wait, no, I'm not French 'cause I would've had a cigarette as well with it.

- If I had a cigarette with it, I would be French. - Yeah, you'd be too far gone at that point. - If I had a cigarette with my coffee and my pate, I would be French, okay? I draw the line. - Breakfast isn't complete without a Malboro. - Okay, I draw the line. Okay, but I, okay, it is. - See, because pate- - I hate to give the French credit, it's a fire bracket. - Yeah, because pate in the Bissinger household came out with the charcuterie board. - No, so it is fantastic with charcuterie. - Yeah. - But-

- You go into a house and your dad just brings out the charcuterie board. And I'm just like, damn, okay. - Like most people think charcuterie board is, you know, like relative size. The Bissinger charcuterie board is like a fucking banquet. - What people don't know about the Bissinger cheese board is that, sorry, the charcuterie board

- The bottomless charcuterie board. - Replenished, gentlemen. I cannot get across how good this charcuterie board was. - It was amazing. I just wasn't expecting a table full of meat and cheese as we walked in. I'm like, what is, am I like a 12th century king right now? What is going on in the back?

- It's a Bissinger household. - I ate all of this after Joey's dad basically called me a fat fuck as well for the pasta. He was like, "Bloody hell, mate." - It's your third fucking plate, mate. - I was like, "I don't play, dad." No, I agree with the French though. I do think it is a phenomenal breakfast food. Don't sleep on it. Don't sleep on it. - I'm gonna try it out for a breakfast food. - Just a light baguette, coffee. - Fair, fair, fair. - Okay, mashed potato and sausage. Wait, which picture is this?

- That's mashed potato? I thought that was rice. - That's what that's rice is. - What the fuck? That is not mashed potato. - Maylene, what fucking mashed potato are you eating? - Did we get these pictures or the Maylene gave them? - Oh, okay. - Okay, okay. - Mashed potatoes is just OG. Also, I just like shoveling my mouth full of potatoes to the point of choking and guzzling water. It's like unclogging a drain or tub. Satisfaction all around. You good, Maylene? - I agreed with Maylene up until I hit why she would like this.

- What the fuck? - I was like, some of these is not as out of pockets than what I thought. - This is like one step away from someone being like, yeah, I just really like auto asphyxiation. I just like not being able to breathe. - I mean, I agree with the choice. - Yeah, yeah. - I don't agree with the reasoning. - What the fuck?

- This is like, I love baguettes. Only when I shit though, only when I shit. And I'm like, what the- - Only when I'm swallowing the baguette whole. It's just like, I love baguettes. I just love deep-throating baguettes. You guys feel the same way, right? And I'm like, I mean, you had me, Meilyne, and then you lost me. What was- - I love Tom and Jerry-ing that fucking baguette.

- It's like unclogging a drain or tub. - Jesus, satisfaction. - Well, at least we know Maylene wrote this. - God fucking damn. - What the fuck? - All right, the fourth one here, I'm not even gonna attempt to pronounce, is a Vietnamese sweet sour soup. And it's just the taste of home for the kids. - You should give it a shot. - No. - Okay, I'll do it. - Okay. - Cancua tit caro.

I'm sure that's how it is. - Can we, if you copy paste it, Google it, it might just give you a pronunciation. - Yeah. - All right. - What's the Vietnamese pronunciation? - Maybe Thai pronunciation. - Yeah. - Let's see what comes up. Let's see how close it was. - Yeah, can we have another one again? - That's what I'm gonna guess. - It's probably closer. - Yeah. - Yours wasn't enough up and down. - Well, I'm not in the business.

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- Yeah, I don't know. - I don't know. - Okay. - But I'm sure it's fucking delicious. - Sweet and sour soup. Just the taste of home for V8 kids. - Okay. - Fair enough. - Wait, which picture is this? Can I have a look at it? Which one is this? Must be the- - Must be the top right one? - No, maybe middle? Top middle? Why can't I? - I think top right. - Top right, yeah. All right. - All right. - I mean, it sounds amazing. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm- - Hell yeah, that looks fire.

Any kind of soup from an Asian country is normally...

- Banger. - They don't miss. - It's normally hard to fuck it up. - Yeah. - The soup is just generally agreed to be pretty good. - Yep. - I agree with this one. - Caesar salad. - Fucking love Caesar salad. - I like crunchy veggies and Caesar's the best dressing because it's got the umami, silence. No more umami from you, manly. - Wait, no, no, no, read the rest of the sentence. - Okay, because it's got the umami stink of anchovy and Parmesan bing, bop, bam. - What the fuck is that?

- Why did she turn into super hot fire? - Bing bop bam. - Is this like Maylene's like Costco guys? I give that two bing bop bam.

- Umami stink. - I was on board until that sentence. - Yeah. She somehow made Caesar salad sound really unappetizing with that. - Yeah, it sounded terrible. - I agree 'cause I'm a big fan of the anchovy pungentness. I think I love how it cuts through everything. - Hell yeah. - And kind of works with the other flavors. - Also Caesar is the best dressing. - Oh, for sure. - Like no question. - It's not even close. Viscount? - Yeah, sure. - Which dressing do you like? - I like Italian.

- Keep it simple. - I just like balsamic vinegar, man. I just like balsamic vinegar. - I like balsamic too. I like balsamic too. - We're not arguing that balsamic is bad. - I like balsamic. - But Caesar's better. - Italian is a kiddie dressing. - Why is it a kiddie dressing? - I'm just trying to pick a fight with you. - Bro, it is just like back to basics, man. - I'm just picking a fight with you. No, I do like Italian as well. I think it's just, I don't know, something about Caesar is just the fucking goat for me. - Yep, I agree. - I like the flavors a lot.

- Do you put croutons in your Caesar salad? - Yes. - Is it a must for you? - Yeah, I think croutons are a must. I think 'cause sometimes when you're eating a salad and it's just kind of like chewy wet leaf texture, I think it can get a bit, something in your brain is spinning and you're like, "Mm, too much leaves." But then when you have the croutons, it kind of tricks your brain thinking it's like, "Ooh." - The only thing I'd hate about croutons is that sometimes you get those croutons that are just like,

a perfect square with the really sharp corners. - Dude. - And I fucking like stabbed the inside of my mouth with them. - I've learned about Americans, right? After hanging out with them, especially Emily and Idus, right? - You say this like they're a species or something. - I've met a couple of them. - Guys, I've infiltrated the Americans. - In Japan, right? I've learned this. I've been observing the crouton game. - Okay. - They like these tiny, small croutons. - Yeah, like how tiny are we talking? - Well, we're talking like pebbles. - Like fingernail size.

Like they want as little croutons mass as possible. Americans, they want a well fucking defined brick. And dude, I'm telling you. Oh shit. Yes. You're right. It's not a crouton. It's literally, I'm not saying it was what I like. I'm saying Americans love big,

- They're like that. - No, no, it needs to be the small tiny ones. - They love these fucking big ones. I don't mind 'cause I like both. - No, no, it's gotta be nice and tiny. - Sometimes they put like, it's mostly fucking this and no fucking green. And I'm like, what are we doing here? - We're eating bread. - They're eating bread. - Yeah, I'm like, you've turned this into bread. - They've ordered a salad and they're eating bread.

But no, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I realized when I spoke to Emily and Didis, because I was like, I was like, oh, you should try the salad place. Oh, we don't like it. And I was like, why? And they're like, the croutons, they're all wrong. And then I thought, I was like, oh, so then we went to Costco and I saw the croutons they were buying. They were buying the big fucking square croutons. And then they order, if they make salad, I think they put those big, they put a lot of them in. I don't know. I'm just, I'm just like, but they, they like the big fucking croutons, which I can't get my head around. I think croutons are like the, the,

the weakest link in a Caesar salad. Like I can go without them. - I just need a couple. I can get a couple of them small. - Look, look, look, it's all about the crouton leaf ratio whenever you take a bite. You know what I mean? If the ratio is over 50%, that's too much crouton. - It needs to be like 5% crouton.

- And 95% leaf and other stuff. - Exactly. - I hate to eat a salad. And whenever I go to America, it's always like- - 50/50. - Yeah, it's always 50/50. I'm like, what the fuck? I'm not eating a salad. I'm eating a sandwich here. - Would you like leaves with your croutons? - Yes, yes, I know. It just needs to be enough to add just that little bit of a texture when you bite down. - I'm proud of us that we're this privileged that we can figure out the differences in the Caesar salad between countries.

- Look at us guys. - Look at us. - Look where we've come. - But this is information that you would never get if you were an American. You would never know that you're being crouton peeled every day. - One of the podcasts will passionately talk about crouton ratios in Caesar salad for this one. - Have we found a food take that we all agree on? It's the crouton ratio of salads.

- The great equalizer of trash taste. - I'm just saying the worst look at the salad is the more croutons they have in it because they're trying to hide how shit their salad is. - Exactly. - All right, let's move on to the next one. We have our good friend, John, Super Eyepatch Wolf with his anime three by three.

- Yeah. - I know all of these, thank God. - These are like literally the list of the goats. - So John sent me this and the first thing I sent back to him was, "Damn, this is just a Super Eyepatch Wolf videography." - Well, should we go through? So we have you, Hakshya, we have Hunter Hunter, Dragon Ball, is it?

- Dragon Ball Z. - Dragon Ball Z. - Berserk, the manga I presume. I imagine if it's black and white, it's manga? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Probably. - Chainsaw Man, Akira. - He wanted to specify that it was the Akira manga that he wants to put on there. - Interesting. Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, and Perfect Blue. - And I think the only one that,

John hasn't made a video on is Evangelion actually. - Really? - Where do you even start? Where do you start? - Where do we even start? This is, I mean, these are just the goats. These are- - Undeniable goats. - The absolute goats of Shonen of, okay, first thing here, there is quite a lot of Shonen representation here, but there's still stuff like Akira and Perfect Blue, which, you know, Perfect Blue,

I think my favorite anime film of all time. - Yeah. - You know? - One of the only ones I've watched and I'm inclined to agree with you. - Yeah. - Fair enough. - So I can't remember what reasoning he put for this. - Should we read his reasoning? - Yeah, let's go. - Oh, no. - Oh, oh, oh, hold on. - Oh, no, here we go.

Okay, so the only thing... So I think he assumed that everything else is pretty self-explanatory because he's already probably made an hour-long video describing why. Shall I quickly read this? Sure. I think the only one I haven't made a proper video about is Ava. I think that's probably because I find it pretty intimidating. I remember when I first watched Ava, it was because I stumbled across it on the Sci-Fi Channel at 5 a.m. about 23 years ago. It's weird. I think that the perfect way to experience the show now, I feel...

Oh, sorry. It's weird. I think that was the perfect way to experience the show. Now I feel like you hear about Ava long before watching it and you're reacting to the idea that it's the best. But back then, having never heard of it with no context, it blew my mind. When I do an Ava video, it will be the last video I do. Oh, shit. Wow. Holy shit. Other than that...

I think Perfect Blue is a bit of a unique one on the list because I remember watching it in my early 20s and thinking it was a weird horror movie. But then I watched it again after becoming a YouTuber and having a fan base and it scared the shit out of me. Way worse. I think everything else is pretty self-explanatory. DBZ got me into martial arts. Yu Yu Hakusho, to me, is the best version of a classic shounen. Hunter x Hunter is the evolution of that. Akira is a technical masterpiece. Bebop Age is with you. Eva is Eva. And Berserk is my favorite piece of fiction, period.

I mean, look, nothing to disagree with there, honestly. Boys speaking facts. I mean, these are some of the goats. It's interesting to specifically, you know, to go on and what he said about Ava. I do feel that part of the whole Ava experience is anyone who watches it nowadays will not get the same experience of just Ava.

watching it back in the day, mostly because I feel like being an Ava fan, part of being an Ava fan is just...

the weight, the weight. You watch this thing and part of the experience back then was just like, damn, that's it? That's how we're ending it? That's what we're doing? No movies, no rebuilds, no nothing. You had to kind of like come to terms with that being the ending. And then that was it. And now we have this, and then

Part of the reason Evangelion is now one of my favorite animes is just seeing the evolution of Ava from the perspective of the director. Seeing even Evangelion back in the day, seeing End of Ava, and now seeing the Rebuild films, you see Anno's kind of like...

evolution just as a person, as a happier person. And that is something that resonates with me like so deeply. And part of the reason that makes Evangelion so powerful to me isn't just the show itself. It's just knowing that it's

someone just like was in a very, very bad fucking place and found happiness at the end of it. Yeah. Like each, each entry I feel is like, yeah, as you said, it's like a time piece of like where Arno was in his life. And yeah, no, I completely agree with you. I mean,

Yeah, it's weird, right? Because for me, Ava, I didn't grow up with the anime either. I watched it way, way, way after it came out. And what's weird is that, I don't know if I've ever said this, the first Ava thing I ever watched actually was End of Ava. Oh.

And I had to stop myself 'cause I was like, I feel like I shouldn't be watching this. - Bro, what part of "End of Eva" made you- - Well, look, the internet was difficult, man. You didn't know where shit started or what to watch first.

- I remember watching halfway through End of Ava and I was like, I needed to stop myself. 'Cause I was like, hang on a second. I feel like I'm missing something. - There are confusing watch lists and watch like chronological watch orders. And then the starting of a series with the literal title being End of Ava.

- I just thought that was what the title was. - I can understand, 'cause back in the day, you'd just fucking turn on the TV and you'd watch shit. You didn't know, and they'd be like, "By the way, have you watched season one, episode four?" - But also, I just thought that's what the title was, right? 'Cause it's like, you don't think about that with like Seraph of the End. It's like, oh, maybe there's something before that, right? - Seraph of the Beginning.

So that's what I thought it was like, but... I do agree with the sentiment that you have to have known nothing about Ava to really appreciate it. Because I do feel like when I watched it, I'd heard so much about Ava. You guys had spoken about Ava at length that it was almost impossible to go into Ava without expectations. Yeah. And I do think if I had no expectations or had no idea what the fuck it was, I would have gone into it with a lot more perhaps open-minded, but also appreciation. Yeah. Like, oh, what the fuck is this? Yeah, for sure. And I think...

That's the sad truth of our time is that it's almost impossible. Yeah. I try to like when I watch movies now not to look at any reviews before I go in which is like my little way of trying to have some kind of control over like I want to have the first say on my mind on this thing. Yeah. Not like see a 7 out of 10 number and be like oh my god is it going to be 7 out of 10 is it going to be worse than 7 out of 10 is it better than 7 out of 10? Getting your expectations up. Yeah I think like

We have been robbed of discovery. Yeah, because Ava as well in this modern day and age has just become so much bigger than itself now. I mean, if you were born in the nation of Japan, you cannot not see Ava. It's just like a part of Japan now. You can almost never go into Ava blood.

And you know, maybe that gets that stops some people from enjoying it and maybe it doesn't affect anyone else at all. But I think it's fair to say like, yeah, it can affect your enjoyment. - It's funny to think that there probably are some people out there who have never washed Ava and they're like, oh, I've heard of Ava and Gillian. They did a collab with Coco Curry. And that's their only exposure to her. - Oh yeah, my washing detergent is this. - Yeah, it's Ava. - Yeah, there's some, yeah.

it's almost impossible not to. Yeah, totally. And there will always be shows like the one that comes to mind most recently is, you know, sometimes a show comes out and for its time, it's fucking revolutionary. Right, right. Because it's like revolutionary new ideas. Um,

And then time moves on, and then the landscape changes, and it might, it just might not stand out as much as it did when it first came out. Because I feel like nowadays, the first thing that comes to mind is like watching Madoka in 2025. Whereas, you know, at the time Madoka was really, really innovative for what it did to the magical girl genre, taking like this cute aesthetic and kind of like,

blindsiding you into a much darker story. And nowadays I feel like almost- - Everyone knows the plot now. - Every magic, like edgy magical girls have become more of the norm than just the traditional magical girls. - Yeah, there's no more like meat and potato magical girl shows anymore. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, right? - Right? - Or if they do exist, they're like pertain to, you know, very, very small kids, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Obviously I think Cowboy Bebop being on there doesn't surprise me for Jon.

It's weird because I don't feel as many people talk about Cowboy Bebop as they did back in the day when this was like the critically acclaimed show. Yeah, I genuinely wonder now that I feel we're at a stage where

in life now where there are this kind of this like now younger generation from our perspective who are getting into anime for the first time. I genuinely wonder how much of like the new gen anime fans have actually gone back to watch shows like Cowboy Bebop. - Probably not many. - Probably not many, eh? Which is a bit of a shame. - Yeah, I mean, to me, Cowboy Bebop was one of the reasons it blew up was because it was a show that was airing on TV, you know? And it was obviously I fucking, I still love Cowboy Bebop, but-

I don't think it spreads as much now because back then we just didn't have as many anime to pick from. And Cowboy Bebop just ended up being one of those things. FLCL, another thing as well that ended on Adult Swim. If Cowboy Bebop came out today, do you think it would be as praised and acclaimed as it is now?

Yes. I think so. I still think Cowboy Bebop does. Because the story is just so incredibly solid and I feel timeless and very easy. In the best way possible, Cowboy Bebop is just like a meat and potato story that's very easy to understand and invest yourself into. And a character trait like Spike is just like... I feel timeless. Do you think that's why it's not often discussed nowadays? Because the story is kind of straightforward? I think it's just because...

the new gen kids maybe are, you know, more reluctant to go back and watch the quote unquote classics. If you, I mean, it's, it's more so that, um, media nowadays is more about what's the new hot thing consuming the new thing that comes out because just there's so much stuff that's coming out. You don't have time to go back anymore. Um, not just with anime, but with films as well. It feels like sometimes. Um, but to me, I think cowboy bebop will remain as an anime for like,

I mean, I feel like, for example, I can recommend Cowboy Bebop to Chris and I think he would really appreciate it because there are, even though it's like episodic and episodic shows are not in fashion as much these days, thinking about some of the different things that Cowboy Bebop did in terms of like just pure passionate filmmaking for like different episodes with different episodes having different vibes, doing different things. It's just such a weird amalgamation of...

Of cinema for anime, I think. There's so many. To me, I look at Cowboy Bebop now and it's just kind of like a passion project. Yeah, totally. And there are very few anime projects that I think stand up to stuff that Cowboy Bebop does. And I think Shinichiro Watanabe, you know, he does that every single with every single project. He tries to do something new. He doesn't try to repeat what he does. Facts.

I also appreciate the fuck out of the Yu Yu Hakusho love as well. I feel it kind of gets, especially as the years go by, very slowly gets overshadowed by Hunter x Hunter. Which is fine, because Hunter x Hunter is fucking fantastic, and I agree with John in the sense that, yeah, he took what he did so great with Yu Yu Hakusho and just made so many improvements to the storytelling, the characters, and everything like that with Hunter x Hunter. But yeah.

You gotta watch Yu Yu Hakusho dude. That's the guy. Yu Yu Hakusho ran so "Hunt Under" could- - I've tried like five times to start it and then every time I get into it, I'm like, "Oh, it's so long." It is long. - As with every shonen. Of course, "Akira" as well, but with the manga. I haven't read the "Akira" manga actually. - You got it, man. The manga is so good. I mean, but you're not a fan of the movie. - Never read the manga or watched the movie. - You know what, Joey? Actually, I rewatched the movie recently. I've changed my mind. - Big dog.

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very few anime have been able to replicate. - Yeah, and especially, you know, considering when it was made as well, it's fucking insane. Like this is like, in terms of like the visual aspect of, you know, films and stuff like that, like I equate the Akira film to that of like 2001, where it's like, you look at some of these scenes and you're like, how the fuck

did they find the time or the effort to animate some of these scenes? Yeah. Because it's ridiculous. Yeah. Maybe that's part of growing up. It's just like, nah, I don't really care about story character anymore. Just give me the vibe. The vibes? Give me the gritty fucking vibe. One point, man. One point. But he, especially if he did the manga for this, which I haven't read, so I don't know how much better the manga is compared to. Well, the manga is, well, as you hopefully know, the Akira movie is actually...

the way that it ends is completely movie original. Yeah. The manga actually continues on for twice the length as the movie. So the manga, you get way more fleshed out characters and the world gets fleshed out more and it has a little bit more of, I guess, a more succinct ending that's more easily understood because the ending of the movie for Akira is, you know,

Quite confusing and open to interpretation and very trippy. Still great though. Vibes are great. But yeah, the manga is, I mean, Otomo's art is unmatched. Yeah. Fucking insane. Great picks, John. Gotta watch it. Great picks. All right, who's next? Who do we have next? We've got Ludwig's Gaming 3x3. Okay. Oh. Let's have a look at his reasonings first. Okay. Okay.

Spy Party playing with friends, ideally drinking. Final Fantasy X, please play it. - I mean, it's great. - Demo now available on Steam. I think that's his game. - Oh, is it? Okay. - Is that the only notes he gave? - Is that the only notes he gave? - I guess so. - That's it. - I'm guessing Aethermancer is his game or is an off-brand. Wait, can we click it on Steam? Is it an off-brand studios game?

- Is this just his way of trying to promote his fucking game on our broadcast? - Off-brand games, yeah, it's off-brand games. - Motherfucker. - Damn, damn. - Okay. - Bro took the opportunity to sell out. - Okay, let's scrap that one. It might be the best game of all time. - Final Fantasy X is the biggest wildcard I wasn't expecting. - I wasn't expecting that.

I think it's one of the only ones he's played. Oh, really? Okay. But I think he has a soft spot for it. Oh, it's one of the... It's my favorite 3D file fantasy. The next one I'm going to play. Yeah. So good. I just played 6 recently, which is also peaked. Oh, you did? Yeah. Yes. That's my favorite. Yeah. So out of all of these, I don't know if I've said this before, never played Undertale. I have never played... That's fine. It's... I really like it. It feels like...

I've missed an entire era of the internet by not playing Undertale. - It was just like four years where this was the only thing that existed to certain people online. - I mean, it is, I mean, I will not deny it is a fucking brilliant game. Really, really fun game. - It deserves all the praise that it got. - 100%. - The storytelling was very unique at the time with the whole, the neutral path, the genocide or past- - Gameplay was extremely unique as well. - The talking aspect was actually like really fucking cool. - Yep.

- Do you think it would still be worth playing today? - Oh, 100%. - Yeah, I think so. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - It's just awesome. And then also the music is phenomenal. - And it's all done by fucking one person as well. Everything is done by one dude. - Fucking Sans as a character. - Oh my God, yeah. So many great characters in Undertale. The character writing is just so good. - And it holds up. It holds up very well. - Really fun game. - Spy Party.

It is very fun. Spy parties. I've never played spy parties. Spy parties are fucking good. Basically, they'll just be like, yeah, 10 characters and there'll be one person who's the sniper and one person who's the spy and the spy has to perform actions like steal a key from someone so they have to stand next to them and like...

- You know, it's NPCs not walking around this party. - Right, right, right. - And then if you want to interact with them, you have to get close to them. And then maybe if they walk away and you follow them, that gives it away to me that you're trying, you're acting weird. - So it's like Among Us. - It's kind of Among Us, but way better, way better. - Okay. - But you don't have to kill anyone. So the sniper then- - What?

So the spy wins. Is that what we got to? Like Among Us, the spy wins if they complete all their challenges. Right, right. And the sniper wins if they successfully kill the spy. But then you get one shot. Oh, I see. You know, you kill the wrong person, you lose. Oh.

- Do you remember when battle royales, every battle royale wasn't compared to squid game. We just compared it to the original battle royale. - What do you mean? - It invents a battle royale, right? - There's like certain things that narrow it down. So there'll be like, maybe there'll be like a diplomat in the party. If you, maybe one of the tasks is being in the same circle as the diplomat. But once you go in the same circle as him, this fucking noise will go banana bread. I don't know why. - What? - I don't know why. I don't know. It makes no fucking sense. - We should play this on trash days.

- It's really good. It's only two players though, but it's very good. But it's really, really good 'cause you basically, it's just a really, really fun kind of deception game. And it's just good. It's really, really fun.

Papers, Please, I've heard is a very interesting game. Oh, it's so good. I've never played it. Oh, it's so fucking good. You're just a passport inspector in like a fictional Soviet Russia. I've seen gameplay of it. It looks really fun. Yeah, it's good. Because, you know, like, you know, first of all, you come through and they're like, I'm

No worry, comrade. People with passport, let them in. People with no passport, don't let them in. You're like, okay, cool. And then day three, you're like, oh, by the way, if you get it wrong, you get fined.

And then you're like, okay. And then they're like, all right, they've started doing fake passports. Oh, okay. You have to figure it out. You have to figure it out. And then it gets to the point where, you know, they'll be like, oh, by the way, your rent has increased. You now don't make enough money to pay for your rent and provide for your family. Oh, fuck. Someone comes in, they want to bribe you $20. Do you take it? Oh,

You might get caught. If you get caught, you'll get executed or whatever. Oh, cool. And it gets pretty complicated because then they'll be like, your cousin, Beletsky, turns up. He wants in even though he doesn't have the right papers.

And then the visas changed the next day. And now you've got to keep up with all this stuff. And it's like, maybe this person has, this person does have a, like they would have been able to come in two days ago, but they just didn't apply for the right thing. Do you let them in out of sympathy? Cause she's holding her baby and she's sick and she needs to, you know? And so it really starts the question, like,

It's really good because it starts to kind of blend. Yes, follow the rules. Of course, follow the rules. And it slowly starts to question your morality and starts to question, you know, is being moral here? Is that the right thing to do? Oh, cool. Is this guy who you think is a bad guy? Yeah.

You know, you get a bad vibe about it. Oh, wow. There's a whole lot of... It's really, really interesting and really, really fun. Oh, that's sick. Highly recommend it. It's a classic for a reason. It's really good. Hell yeah. It's fun to play on stream as well because you can just really seem like a bad guy really quickly or a good guy. Yeah, right, right. Depends how you want to go. It's really, really good. And I think...

Sometimes games are really powerful tools because they really have to make you question your own beliefs and genuinely confront them. I think this is one of those games where you have to really question yourself quite a lot of times. How do you really feel about something? Because sometimes you feel like, oh, no, I'm on this side of something, or I feel this way. And then the game is like, well, what would you do in this situation? And you're like, okay, maybe, okay. That's cool. Yeah.

I appreciate Celeste being on here. Genuinely one of the best indie platforms I've played. Yeah, probably one of the goats. I feel like I played Super Meat Boy a lot when I was growing up because that was on the Xbox arcade store. One of like five games. It was always on the top and I played a lot of it and never got around to beating Celeste fully, but I've always wanted to stream it because I love Super Meat Boy. I feel like it's very similar kind of vibes. It is. I really want to try it. It's just a nice challenging game as well. Some of the later levels get so hard.

- Especially like the side content as well. - It looks fucked. - The side content is just like- - Like the B and C sides get so hard. - Like holy shit. - Chess. - I mean, talking about the real goat of gaming. - Never had a balance patch. - Never, never had a balance patch. - The most balanced game ever created. - Yeah. What were they thinking when they cooked up chess, man? I'm just like, God damn. - It is kind of impressive how it's managed to be so,

- What's the word? It's just been able to withstand time. - Yeah, well, yeah. We got the two go to games that don't need balance patches. We got Super Smash Bros Melee and Chess. Two games that prove you don't need a balance patch. - Well, Melee did have a couple of bounce patches gone.

Yeah. I mean, chess, phenomenal game. A lot of eggs has a lot of ties with it and played it a lot. Helped, you know, I think he grew a lot because of chess as well. Yeah. I mean, it's a great game. Yeah. It's, it's hard not to appreciate chess in a time when games ever more complicated, uh,

A game that's so simple yet so endless in its complexities is very beautiful. 100%. They cooked with that one. Yeah. They cooked. They invented chess. How old is chess? When was chess invented? I want to say I'm going to say 800 years old.

700 years old. Yeah, I was going to say like 1,000 maybe. No, I think... 1600. 1500 years. I was like, it feels even... Yeah, it feels... 1500 years old. God damn. Damn. They be cooking, man. Shout out to the people who made chess. What I want to know is like, are some like the weirder rules, like fucking castling or en passant, where they like, they feel like balance patches. I don't know why.

You know what I mean? You know what I mean? - I have no doubt over 1500 years, like the internet to like moderate, like a consistent rule set that I'm sure chess has changed a lot. - I'm sure there was like a king in like the 12th century who was like, no, no, this is a special move on the icon.

- I'm sure the rules have changed somewhat slightly. Like I'm sure en passant came out of fucking nowhere. - I'm like, you learn the rules. Everything makes sense. How the pieces move, out comes en passant. You're like, where the fuck does this rule come from? - Some French Lord was like, no, no, no, no, en passant. - That is French 1.1 patch. And then they just never changed. And then it just stuck, you know? - Ballot show?

- I know he loves "Ballad Trove." It's an amazing game. Have you guys played it? - I haven't yet. - I mean, it was on your three by three of the best games. - It's just pure addiction in game form. - Hell yeah. - Everything about it is just perfectly designed to hack your brain and make you go, "Ooh," and get addicted. - I mean, I already did that when you recommended me "Slay the Spire." - "Slay the Spire" is so fucking good, man. - That's just been my addiction recently. - And the more I play it, the more addicted I get to that game 'cause it's just so fucking good. - Hell yeah. - And obviously "Super Smash Bros. Melee." - Classic.

I mean, obviously, I think that's kind of like Ludd's start to the internet and getting into all the stuff. Bread and butter. I heard he was never really that good at it. I think he'll tell you otherwise. Well, I mean, like comparatively speaking. Like compared to the pros. Yeah. I don't think he was ever like close to being pro or anything. I'm sure he could still kick my ass. Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. Like I think he's very good like to the average smash. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

All right, yeah, good stuff. Not a bad list. Yeah, pretty good. All right, let's go back to an anime 3x3. This time we asked Sungwon, ProZD. ProZD. For his anime 3x3. Wow. This is the most ProZD list of all time.

- I mean, wow, this is not that different to other than one. - Oh man, I'm just happy to see "Legend of the Galactic Heroes" up there. - Hell yeah. - Holy shit. - Every time I talk to ProCD, at least once he'll bring up Chihayafuru. - Yeah, Chihayafuru is so good. - He'll always bring up Chihayafuru, at least once. - He is the one Chihayafuru like,

that will never stop. 'Cause you know when you meet a Chiaofuru fan, because they will never stop talking about it. He is the epitome of every fan I've met of Chiaofuru. - Monster, Peak. - Ushiishi. - Very good. - Sound Euphorium, is that? - He became Euphonium, yeah. - Cowboy Bebop, Shirobako, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Bochy. - He must have put Bochy on just to piss you off. - Probably, yeah. - Can we see his reasoning for each one? - Yeah.

- Someone had no notes other than putting a devil smiling emoji after bocce. - I fucking knew it. - I fucking knew it. - This motherfucker. - Wait, no, no. I think he actually might've given notes. Let me double check. I feel like he definitely said something 'cause I asked him. - This motherfucker putting bocce on his three by three. - I swear he did that just to piss you off. - Yeah, of course he did.

- He just put the smiling devil emoji. - Oh, no, he did give no notes. He just did put the devil emoji after Bogey the Rock. - Motherfucker. - He said nothing. He is a man of a few words. - He is. - But yeah, he did put the devil emoji. - He knows how to get my goat though. - It's about sending a message. - I will say,

My favorite Trash Taste clip in recent memory is him grilling you on Bochy the Rock. It was like an interrogation. Yeah, it really was. It was like getting, like, it was like when your dad found out you'd said something bad at school. Yeah. So, Legend of the Galactic Heroes. I don't, I know that you've recently watched it. I don't know if you've finished it all yet, but. I finished everything. So, the original. Original, original. I have, I have watched a lot of the original. I think I got, like,

60 episodes in and then I just ran out of time. It's about 112, I think. But this is always like the anime connoisseur's favorite anime. Yes. This is my anime list core to the team. Yeah. It's highly rated. I assume justified. It is one of the best space offers. I just haven't watched it. I will get around to it on my deathbed. It is long, to be fair. It's something that you're going to get to like, I guess, 40 and you're like,

- Damn, I just, I've run out of things to watch. It's time to watch "Legend of the Galactic Heroes." - The sad reality of getting older and having more responsibilities is that I just have less and less time for this stuff. And knowing that I will just, knowing deep down, I might not get around to "Legend of the Galactic Heroes." It does hurt, it does sting, 'cause I would love to talk about it. But I just know deep down- - No, I'm like, 'cause there are a lot of shows that,

fill that space for me. I think the entire like fucking Gundam UC timeline, that's like my legend of the heroes. I know I'm going to watch it, but it is going to be when I'm like 40, 50 retired from like anime. - It's retirement list. - And I'm just like, okay, I finally have time to go back and watch the energy. I mean, legend of the heroes, I think is a show that's,

everyone should experience at least once if you have the time. You're not gonna have the patience unless, you know, especially if you're a younger audience member right now. It is very heavy, very thick in its themes, but it has some fucking fantastic ideas. Some of the best like characters. I'll get around to it. I promise guys, I'll get around to it.

- Haruhi feels like a thing that is obligatory to put on the list if you're an anime fan in the early 2000s, late 90s. - Definitely. - Definitely. - I feel like that is just like a, what's the word? Like a passport stamp you have to have to be like, "I was watching anime in the early 2000s." - Would you say that Haruhi is the face of 2000s anime? - Yeah. - Yeah, for sure. - Definitely. - Like fandom, anime fandom. I think like you could have enjoyed Dragon Ball or Death Note, but I feel like- - Haruhi is the reason why we have so many light novel adaptations.

Because this was one of the most successful light novel adaptations at the time. And it just completely... It got a lot of... Including myself, it got a lot of people into light novels because of that. Because before then, I was like, what the fuck? What the fuck is a light novel? It always felt like the check to see if you were really into anime at the time. Because if you hadn't watched Haruhi or knew about it... Because I hadn't watched it at the time, but I knew enough about it where I could...

feign my, you know, be like, "Yes, yes, Haruhi." - Is it you that watched the disappearance? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 'cause I thought, 'cause back then it was like, you weren't an anime fan if you hadn't watched Haruhi. It genuinely felt like that back then. - So you started with the end of April of Haruhi. - Well, so I went to IMDB, not IMDB, I went to my anime list and I just went, I just saw the top of the list and the fucking disappearance was the top one and I was so fucking confused. Anyway, "Butcher the Rock,"

- I mean, it's weird seeing like, just almost like the fall off of Harry in a way. Like not exactly the fall off, but like for like, damn, it is for a show that was the defining show of an entire fucking decade. Now it's so weird seeing like the younger generation be like, who dis? - Yeah, who the fuck is Harry? - I think it's like The Office.

to anime fans where it's like, if you're old enough, it's like you all watched The Office and talked about The Office, but now liking The Office is kind of cringe and talking about it. Is it? It's kind of cringe to talk about The Office now. Oh, wow. And I feel like Haruhi and talking about Haruhi with rose-tinted glasses is kind of cringe talking about Haruhi. Yeah, fair enough. Dude, you had to be there. Haruhi was the goat. It was so good. It's like for me, I never understood Friends. Yes, I was thinking about Friends, but I feel like Office is more apt because people have turned on The Office. Office is like...

but I feel like Friends was the generation before us where like every one of my older cousins- - The Gen X. - The Gen X, they're like, "Yo, Friends, fucking hilarious." And there'd been so many times as a kid, I'd try to sit down and watch Friends. - I'm so fucking bored.

- This is so boring. - My only exposure to Friends is from the fact that my sister is like the biggest fan of Friends. And she just continuously watches reruns of Friends. - That's why I didn't want to pick Friends, 'cause I feel like Friends still somehow gets fans still, like newer fans, but Office I feel like- - Does it? - Yeah, yeah, it does.

- People still watch Friends. - I feel like it's the cycle that I feel like it's uncool and then it gets cool. It's gonna same thing's gonna happen with The Office where now people have turned on it because the problem is when people make it their entire personality. When you meet enough fucking people where all they can do is quote The Office, comes uncool.

10 years down the line, they're like, actually, you know what? Speaking of people making something their entire personality, fucking Haruhi was bad. It's like, if you were a Haruhi fan in the mid 2000s, you knew because your entire existence was Haruhi. And now we have a Bochi fan.

Yeah, exactly. Well, we don't talk about both. We talk about it in nausea. The cycle continues. Shirobako, obviously the anime about making anime, right? Yes, it is. Obviously a fan favorite of many people who I think appreciate anime and the medium. It's also just a genuinely fun show to watch as well. It's a genuinely great show. If you're at all interested in learning about anime production and love anime, check it out. We talked about Cowboy Up. Sound Euphoria. I've not really watched this or heard much about this. So you wouldn't like this. I'm just kidding.

I'm just going to say that right now. I'm just going to say that right now. I don't know if my brain is like an AI that's been trained. I can look at the picture and I know. Yeah. I know how they framed those high school girls and how they all look cutesy and it's overexposed in the background. I know what I'm getting here. It's Kyoto Animation, right? It's Kyoto Animation. I'm good. And I mean, Sound Euphonium comes from the same writer as, to me, like the goats of writing the genre you fucking love.

probably despises the most, which is high school girl or just like- - Girls doing things. - No, no, no, not girls doing things, just girl drama. - Oh, okay. - So, um- - There's an actual story. - I don't hate women, by the way. - No, no, you don't hate women, you hate girls. - No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I just hate high school shenanigans. - Right, right. - And- - What counts as like high school shenanigans to you?

- We're gonna get into that. - What's your definition of high school shenanigans? - Yes, yes, yes Connor. What is your definition of high school shenanigans Connor? - Did you feel like high schoolers don't go through- - Real problems? - Real problems, real drama? Do you think that children should be seen and not heard Connor? Is that what you're saying? - Yes. I don't care about like petty drama that I used to care about as a teenager.

- Right. - You know, like if this person would talk to me or if I'd pissed them off or if this girl liked me or not. It's all kind of stuff that I don't want to re-experience. And when I see petty like things that I don't really care about. - So you don't like, what's the genre? Coming of age. - Yeah, I hate coming of age. - You don't like that? - I hate coming of age. I've already came of age once. I don't wanna go through it again.

I love coming to this story. Why? I cringe at it. No, because it's like, I look at it now as an adult, especially, and I'm just like, yeah, I remember I used to feel like that. There was a brief moment of that followed by absolute cringe of like,

Talk to him, talk to him. Tell him how you feel. - Sometimes coming of ages, it's not even about like, you know, human interactions or anything like that. It's like the emotional turmoil that usually the high school student goes through, which in a lot of instances, like in "He Became Euphonium",

are very valid. - And also I have like giga boy brain. I know I do. Okay. And I really struggle to understand sometimes what a high school girl's thinking. 'Cause I just don't. And so, but then, you know, maybe it's, I don't know, maybe it's written badly, whatever. I don't know. Maybe I've had bad experiences. - Yeah, I mean, if the entire conflict revolves around, oh, you don't communicate your feelings correctly. That's probably just bad writing, you know? - Which happens a lot.

- It happens a lot. - It does. - And it pisses me off so much. - And I know it's a trope and I feel like, you know, that is a big determinant of just not great writing. But if there's a good coming of age story about dealing with the turmoil, like shits that you went through as a teenager when you felt like, okay, the adults are not listening to what kind of problems that I had. And looking back, everyone did deal with big fucking issues.

I think a lot of adults diminish how big of an effect of like how you learn to deal with these issues will determine the kind of adult you grow up to be. - Also visually speaking, it still looks fucking gorgeous. Like visually speaking, I think Hibikai Euphonium was like almost, I'd say the peak of Kyoto animation visually. - Monster obviously goaded. - Goaded. - Yeah, Monster, goaded, Chihayafu. I mean, we've talked about that a lot with,

- Bushishi is just like vibe. - All I know is that is the vibe anime. - It's so vibe. - But a solid list and very Sungwon. - Very Sungwon. - Obviously it's his list, but this is like the most Sungwon thing of all time. The newest one is Bochy by far. - It is Bochy. Which he added in just to piss me off. - It's his top nine.

- All right, yeah, sure. - Shall we have a look at the next list? - All right. - He's gaming. - He's gaming three by three. - Oh wait, did he peak of reasoning? Can I scroll down? - He did, he did. - Okay, okay. - He actually started off. So I asked Pete and he started it off and he wanted me to like say this on the episode.

by prefacing this. He's the kind of guy who would really struggle with just nine. Yeah. He wrote this to me in all caps. Says, this is fucking impossible and there's no room for nuance. Here's my list. I've changed it like 94 times. I don't think there's a man on earth who is as passionate about games as Pete. Yeah. The way he talks about games is...

I mean, it's like how those coffee TikTok accounts talk about coffee. It's just, there's a level of love there that I wish to capture. And yeah, I've heard in North Sea room about a couple of these. - All right, so we got Monkey Island, Darkest Dungeon, Dark Souls? No, Bloodborne. - Bloodborne.

- Excuse me, Bloodborne. - Even I knew that. - Sorry, my bad, OG. - Gamer? - Final Fantasy Tactics, Castlevania Symphony of the Night, Suikoden, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, Team Fortress and Marvelous Capcom 2. - Yeah. - Yes. - I've played three, no, four of these. - I've played one. - I've played Bloodborne, Final Fantasy Tactics, Symphony of the Night and Pro Skater. - I've played two, I've played two. - Yeah. - I think I played two, three.

Okay. So Monkey Island, the one of the greatest point and click adventure games of all time. The OG. Heavily. Has anyone played it? No, but I know a lot about this game. I know about it. It's from LucasArts. Yeah. And it's kind of widely regarded as like the pinnacle of point and click. This is kind of after this is when point and click kind of fell out of fashion. Yeah. I think I played Monkey Island, but I was just too fucking young to remember it. Yeah.

This is like in my formative years where "Monkey Island" was just like installed on every one of like my uncle's PCs. - Really? Okay. - Yeah, I feel it was either you played "Monkey Island" or "Mist". - Oh, was it "Mist"? - "Mist" is like super OG. - Every time I'd go to like my uncle's house,

Anyone, they would have Monkey Island or Doom on their PC. But they just wanted to shut me up and just be like, "Here, video game, play game, play game." - Yeah, it's again widely recognized as being one of the GOATs. Apparently, I don't know, I haven't played it, but- - Do we have a reasoning for this one? - Amazing writing, great humor, classic story, one of the great childhood games. - Hell yeah. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.

- Goaded. - Goaded. - I think we can all agree that's just goaded. - Yes, of course. - I mean, it came out at the right time, first of all, in the peak hype of skateboard mania, amazing music. - Warehouse plus music, all you need. - And the gameplay was just fucking fun. - It was. - It was so fun. I wonder if it holds up now, if I were to play it again. - I don't know, actually. I haven't played it in a very long time. - Okay, going back up, I can talk about Darkest Dungeon, 'cause I played that recently. - Okay. - Best voice acting performance ever and a masochistic quest that is truly epic.

Darkest Dungeon is fucking hard. Yeah. It's very hard. I've heard it's like notorious for its difficulty. So the whole concept is that you go to a dungeon and you recruit these guys to come into your party. And it's almost like XCOM if you've played XCOM, where you recruit a guy and every mission that he survives, he levels up. Right. And so the more missions you do, the more they get stronger. But if they die once in any of the missions, permadeath.

Oh, shit. So that character's gone. But you're constantly able to recruit new characters. But obviously when you lose a character, you lose a lot of time and a lot of work that you put into a character. And you can't recruit characters that are normally as strong as what you can get.

Also, another downside, and the game really tries to push you to recruiting the maximum, which I think is 12 characters, and it's only four per mission, is that every mission they go on, they often come back out with trauma and more mental stress problems, which normally in-game makes it harder. So if a character gets stressed, they normally perform worse. Oh.

They might hit their own teammate. They might run away. - Oh shit. - So you have to kind of manage the mental health of the character. So you can't send just one guy on every mission. Otherwise he'll get too stressed out or too fired up 'cause they need to rest. And they need to stay in the inn for the while. And sometimes they can get infected and you just send them to hospitals, get them fixed. But you can only get fixed two infections per cycle. So everything's on the cycle. So it's really difficult. You have to manage characters.

And then everything is really fucking hard. All of the characters are so fucking hard to fight. It's just fucking cool too. And the voiceover is phenomenal. - That definitely sounds like a you game. - Yeah, it's amazing. It's so good, but it is so fucking hard that I did not beat the game. - Oh shit. - I did give up because I got to the boss

or at least one of the bosses beat it and then had to technically beat the game out to do a little bit more stuff that my squad wiped. - Oh fuck. - And I didn't have the heart for me to go back and redo all of it. - Fair enough. - But it is amazing. It's genuinely one of the best games ever. Please don't sleep on it. There's a reason why everyone keeps playing it now to this day. It's so fucking good. - Might give it a go. - Bloodborne, you don't need everyone to tell you that Bloodborne's goaded. We can just move on. It's goaded. Everyone wants the remake, please.

Final Fantasy Tactics, this is a game that Pete always goes on to me for about 500 hours every time I meet up with him. - It's so good. - It's so good. - He loves this. - Castlevania Symphony of the Night as well, also goaded. - Yeah, I really wanna play the Castlevania games as well. - Oh, Symphony of the Night is,

- It's easily one of the best Castlevania games. - Suikoden one and two. Pete told me that this, the unique thing about this game is that you can recruit up to, I think 60 characters. - Yeah. - Oh, okay. - I think they recently did a remake of this. - They did do a remake. - Yeah. - They did a sponsored stream for them. - Yeah. I wanted to play it actually. 'Cause I've heard, this is one of the kind of classic JRPGs that,

has a really dedicated, especially Japanese fan base. - Yeah, I mean, yeah. If Pete loves this one, I know it's a very, an RPG for RPG fans. - Yeah, absolutely. - Because you know, Final Fantasy is very fair and very entry level, I think. But there are a lot of RPGs out there that require you to have at least played 15 different RPGs to even begin understanding what the fuck's up. - Yeah, I definitely want to give this a go. - Team Fortress Classic.

- "Dufault" was blood Gulch before blood Gulch. The best multiplayer map ever made. I know people love "Team Fortress." - I've never played it. - I never got into it. - No, nor did I. - It was before my time, unfortunately. Pete's showing his age with this one, but look, I mean, it was good. - Not even "Team Fortress 2," just "Team Fortress Classic," man. - I mean, it's Valve. - Yeah. - I mean, more than needs to be said. - Yeah. - True. - And Marvel vs. Capcom. - "Best Roster, Graphics, Music, and Combos: An Arcade Classic."

- I wish I got into fucking fighting games, man. I wish. - Yeah. - You still can. - No, I can't. - No, I'm too old. - It's too much. - Too old. - I don't have the muscle fiber reflexes now. - Nah, it's gone, gone. It's gone. - Bro, I had this, I met this guy yesterday.

And he was a fighting game fan. And I'm just like, I didn't realize this, but he said something that was just like the most FGC coded thing I could ever think of. So we weren't even talking about fighting games, right? We were talking about just like life lessons and how to like grind with your work or something. And he says to me, "I just had to learn that there were W's and L's."

And he goes to me, "What do you think a W stands for?" And I go, "Win." And he goes, "That's right. What do you think the L stands for?" And I go, "Loss." And he goes, "No, lesson." - Did you smack him in the face after that? - I'm like,

That is a philosophy I fucking appreciate. Also, are you a fighting game fan? Because that shit is so FGC coded. And he was like, yeah. - Lesson. - It is just like the- - It's kind of a bar, not gonna lie. - No, no, no, no. That is my point where you meet a fighting game fan and you just like, you just appreciate the way they view life like they view a fighting game. You know, everything's a learning lesson. And you know what?

I kind of fucking vibe with that shit, man. I vibe with that philosophy. Fair enough, but damn. You really just said like less, bro. Yeah. All right. And the last three by three that we have is Chad's alcoholic beverages. So Chad, a good friend from Cold Ones, I figured why not ask him an alcohol three by three since he is an alcoholic. Yes. He also actually sent us apparently one

one of the items on this three box. - I can guess which one he sent. - Which one did he send? - Well, which one do you think guys? - I don't know. Did he send the Sapporo? - No, he sent Grog, John. - Of course I know. I was being facetious. - So we have Sapporo, we have the, what's that one called? - Pickleback. - That's it, Pickleback. The whiskey and pickle juice. - I fucking hate Pickleback. - I fucking love Pickleback. - Get the fuck out of here. - Is that a martini shot? What is that? - I don't know.

Does he have explanations or? - He might do. And then we have Alba.

- Beer? I guess it looks like a beer. - I think so. - Grog, Petrona tequila, Nica whiskey, Long Island iced tea, I think, and soju. - I think that I can tell it's a Long Island iced tea. - Okay, so I have the list. - Of course you can tell. - So I have the list here. It's Grog, Sapporo from the can specifically, Picklebacks, dirty shot of martini with extra olive juice. - Okay. - Let's have some Grog. - Tequila mixes, chilled tequila,

an old fashioned, a Long Island iced tea and soju. - Which one's the old fashioned there? Oh wait, wait, there's, oh, we don't, we, I don't think we, you said more than nine, right? - Did I say more than nine? - I guess so. I thought more than nine. - No, no, I think it's nine. - Chill tequila, he's a degenerate, man. That's disgusting. - Yeah. - Yeah, I do not fuck with tequila. - Tequila is just something that's- - Rip it open, John. - I just don't fuck with. - Oh yeah, also, by the way, I just wanted to show this.

- So the box that I guess the cold ones guys sent to us, he left a message here and says, "Hey guys, here is one of my favorite drinks. We poured our heart and soul into this one. I also have included a special photo for your eyes only." Connor and I have seen this. - Yeah. - Do you wanna try and find the photo? - What? - Do you want a peach or a grape, Jerry? - I'll take the peach. Actually, you know what? Let me try a flavor I haven't had yet. 'Cause I've only had like three of these flavors.

What's this one? Mandarin? Mandarin. What the fuck? Where's the photo? You're looking right at it.

- So for some reason- - I don't get it. - Yeah, I don't get it. For some reason he attached a Pokemon card of Lopunny on the box. - Is there a meme that I'm missing here? - Let's try this. - I don't know. - All right. - Let's give this one a shot. - Let's give it a shot. - I think his list is diabolical though. - Not sponsored. - This is an alcoholic's list. - Of course, no sane man should have Long Island Iced Tea on their list. Cheers. - Yeah, Long Island Iced Tea is disgusting.

- Ironically, I think the best thing on this list is grog. - Sapporo beer. - Not from the can. - So he said Sapporo from the can because light through a glass bottle can sour a beer and can stay cold for longer.

That's the most alcoholic thing ever. - Just say umami at this point. - Just, just, just, just- - What about draft? Was draft not an option here, Chad? - Maybe- - I will always take a draft beer over a canned beer any day of the fucking week. - Yeah, you can definitely get Sapporo draft in Australia.

- Pickleback, which is a shot of whiskey and a shot of pickle juice cancels out the bad taste of whiskey. - Just don't drink whiskey if it tastes bad. - Nah, I fuck with picklebacks. - What? - Yeah, great. - Do you like pickle juice? - I love pickle juice. - Would you drink that shit by itself? - Probably. - Don't test this man. Just don't fucking test this man. - I am Joey fuck with anything Bissinger. I'll drink anything. - Sidney does this fucking.

Disgusting ass thing. I won't go out of my way to drink pickle juice. What does Sydney do? Like, I don't know why, this is her hangover thing. Oh no. She'll like, I don't know how this like helps her hangover, but she'll wake up hungover and then she'll go to her fridge. She buys like pickles, but she doesn't even, she doesn't eat the pickles, right? She just gets a full on jar of pickles and just fucking starts dousing.

- Okay, first of all, why would you not eat the pickles? - She just wants the pickle juice. She just wants the pickle juice.

- And I just, there's not many things my wife can do that can disgust me, but this is one of the exceptions. - That's like buying a can of tuna and drinking the oil instead of like eating the tuna. - That's like the worst part of the tuna too. - Exactly. - Oh God, that's degenerate. - Yeah, that's weird. - A dirty martini.

- I do not, okay, I do not fuck with martinis. I do not fuck with martinis at all. I've never understood why people like martinis. - It's such a 1950s drink. Like we've made better concoctions now. You don't need to drink like we're in an air raid shelter. - Yeah, I mean, look, like I feel like too many people saw fucking James Bond and was like, "Oh, I want a fucking dirty martini." Shaken, not stirred.

- Tequila mix, Alba tequila. Oh, that's a, that's not a beer. That's tequila mix. - Tequila mixes specifically coconut flavored ones. - Why do you want tequila? - I don't like tequila. - Oh, I hate it. - No, thank you. - I wish I liked tequila. 'Cause I feel like the way tequila people talk about tequila is such a,

- Such a joy. - Yeah. - They're like, "Yeah, I just fucking love it." - I mean, Maylene for years now has been trying to like convert me and I'm sure everyone here. - Yeah, I just don't. - And I'm just like, "Stop it, please." - I think there's just something in my DNA. - Yeah. - I think you would, like you've just had too many bad experiences with tequila to ever be able to unprogram. - Every experience I've had with tequila has been bad. - It always hurts the most out of the shots. - Yeah, it tastes foul. - I don't know. I feel like Sambuca is worse for me, but like-

- Out of like Tequila or Sambuca. - Pick your poison, I think. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not gonna defend either. - No, 'cause when Sambuca comes out, it's some real degenerate shit.

Why are we at a bar with Sambuca? You know what I mean? - Yeah. - Sambuca is a fucked up spirit to have. - It really is. - You have to be a degenerate to have that in your bar. - Grog because it's the best alcohol ever and I could drink it all night long. Honestly, Chad? - Honestly? - Kind of agree. - Yeah, actually. Did you just make the shittiest alcohol list so you can make Grog look better? 'Cause I feel like that's what you did here.

- The Long Island iced tea is diabolical. - That is diabolical, man. - I know the only reason anyone drinks a Long Island iced tea is because it gets you the most fucked up. - Yeah, this reasoning is the most Chad reasoning. Long Island iced tea because it's the most alcoholic cocktail to get you fucked up. - There's only one reason to have that cocktail and it is to get fucked up. - To get fucked up. - It does not taste good. - It's the drink that you order when your mates have already been drinking and you need to catch up. - Yeah. - 'Cause it's like, how many shots? Like four shots of alcohol? - Four shots.

- It's ridiculous. - Top with Coke. - I just remember that one fucking live, was it a live stream where we hang out with Chad and he just ordered us, kept ordering us Long Island iced teas.

- Do you remember this? - Yeah, Rob's CD. - It's almost impossible to like stay sober drinking these. - We had to tell Rob to shut the fucking live stream down 'cause it was getting dangerous. I'm like, we are consuming far too much alcohol right now. - It's like Rob, the longer the stream goes on, the more our careers are on the line.

- Especially because we're with Chad. - Yeah, exactly. - Chad is just a walking liability. - He really is. - He's a walking liability. Soju, because soju tastes like nothing that you fucked up. - That's true. - That is true. - I can't have the plain soju. - Me neither. - I think it tastes really awful. - The only time I can have it is when you have that drink where you mix it with beer. - Yeah. - Yeah. - That's the only time I can have it. - I'm a little goo-ga-ga baby. I need the flavored one. - I need the flavored ones, yeah. - I can drink the flavored one for days, but the plain one, for some reason,

- It makes me gag. - It's like hand sanitizer dude. It's terrible. - I mean, it's not as bad as Bajou. - Yeah, Bajou is fucked. - I prefer Bajou 'cause it has more of a flavor. - Bajou is fucked. - Yeah, the flavor of fucking paint thinner. - No, it's like floral.

- Shut the fuck up. - It's like flowers. - That's what everyone tells you. - Yeah, it is. - Where is the flowers? Tell me where the flowers is. - The aftertaste is like flowers. Whereas soju, there's no aftertaste. There's no taste going in, going down. And you just have some of the worst hangovers on soju. - That's fair. The hangovers are pretty brutal. - It's so brutal on soju.

- Yeah, I mean a solid list if you're an alcoholic. - Yeah. - Yeah. - And by Grog. - I don't think it is a solid list. - If you're an alcoholic. - If you're an alcoholic. - That's a nice mixture there. - These are literally, except for Grog and Sapporo, designed to fuck you up.

These are not drinks I enjoy tier list. These are drinks that will speed run me into a cancellation. Yeah, the only one I enjoy from this list is probably the pickleback. But other than that, no thank you. All right, well. Chad, thank you so much for 3x3. Thanks for sending us Grog. I don't know why you sent a picture of low money. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what the low money is.

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