We Sat Down with Tokyo's TOP Lolita Model (ft. @rinrindolljapan) | Trash Taste #197
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- Welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm joined once again by the boys, Joe and Yon. And this time, joined with a special guest, RinRin. - Hi. - Hi. - You look significantly prettier than all of us. You're always impeccably dressed. So if you guys don't know, RinRin is a model, a model expert in Japan. - Oh, you just drive? - Yeah, what do you do? - What do you do? - You do a lot of things. - Do a lot of things, yeah. I would say Lolita model, subculture model,

- Yes. - You've been doing it for a very long time. - YouTube influencer stuff. - For like over 10 years now, right? In Japan. - Yes. - I think there might be some people in our audience who doesn't know what a Lolita model is specifically. - Okay. - So do you want to describe what the Lolita subculture is? - Yes. So Lolita fashion is a subculture fashion here in Japan. It's

Roughly based in Harajuku, and it's more like a princessy sort of cupcake-style dress, and it's very...

like girly and princessy. - This dress is kind of like that. More subtle, honestly. - Yeah, actually today I'm not wearing anything specifically that's released by a Lolita brand, but I am like styling my clothes towards like a silhouette that's more like a Lolita style. - Oh, okay, cool, cool. And we've obviously, we filmed videos together as well. We've done a live stream. We've done a, I did a Lolita video, which we tried to do for a very long time actually. - Yes. - We were gonna do it like a year before, but we didn't.

'cause I've known you for a long time. But it is interesting. Even that kind of look into it was very interesting. 'Cause you also told me about your professional experience. 'Cause you got started because,

- You remember? - Yeah, I think I remember. I think you came over to Japan on a vacation, right? Or as a working holiday or was one of it. And then you spoke with the guy. - Wow, wow. - I think you're like, yeah, you're rewriting my history. - No, no, let me rewrite it. Let me rewrite it real quick. Let me see if I'm kind of close. And then some guy was like,

- Oh, you were like, you applied to be in model and you got it. And then they were like, ah, come back and do it again. And then you're like, okay, I live in Japan. - Who are you talking about? - How accurate is that on a scale of one to 10? - Not very.

- I'm narrating this story that you told me and I forgot it already. So please tell me the real story. Tell the viewers the real story. - Okay, so I got started when Angelic Pretty, which is a big Lolita brand, they came to LA and I'm from LA. So I got selected to be one of their models. And then the owner was like, "If you're ever in Japan,

- I remember from that point. - The only part you got right was that she got selected to be a model. - All I remember is that you weren't living in Japan when you got the opportunity. - Yeah, exactly. - That's what I remember. - My first chance was actually in LA. And then when I came here, I was here for studying. And then I also was like, "Hey, I'm here." - See, that's interesting 'cause the Lolita, from my understanding of the Lolita subculture, it's already quite a niche in Japan.

let alone in a place like LA. Like what was the Lolita scene like in LA when you first were like, I guess introduced to it, but when you were first in it? - It was, it was,

still very very far like it's hard to know exactly what it is I first saw it when my friend gave me like a gothic lolita magazine so it just looked like a different world you know and it's something that you can't really get your hands on yeah so at that time people were still being introduced to it

- Right, right. - So when Angelic Pretty came over to LA, that was their first show, like overseas. - Right, right. - Were you interested in Lolita fashion before you got chosen to be a model or was this like your introduction to the world of fashion? - No, like when I was in high school and one of my friends brought me the Gothic Lolita magazine. I was a very big emo girl.

- Goth girls do exist. - Yeah, goth girl, let's go. - That's like a huge meme now. People are always like, guys online, there's like a big thing about wanting a goth girl girlfriend. - Really? - That's like a big thing. - No, I don't know. - The goth girl movement's like coming back. - What the heck? - Oh yeah? - Everyone's like, I just, yeah. - It never went away, Joey. - It lived on in our hearts, okay. - Oh my gosh. - Yeah, like this meme's like, what do you mean you like goth girls? We destroyed their natural habitat, the mall.

- Oh, that's so true. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Yeah, that's right. - Every time like a game comes out and there's like a character that looks kind of gothy or anything, everyone's like new goth mommy unlocks, let's go.

- What do you mean they destroyed the mall? Isn't that- - Malls are like dead. - Yeah, they're like deserted. - Malls are dying. - Yeah. - What do kids do now? - They find a shop on Amazon. - Yeah, Amazon games. - No, but like, okay. So my only experience is like through osmosis on what Sydney has told me because, you know,

- LA is, I guess, different from Wisconsin, which has got nothing going on there. But she would tell me that, yeah, when we were in high school, we just, everyone hung out at the mall because there was nothing else to do. - Yeah, when you're in high school. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - But nowadays they don't. - Yeah, but why do high schoolers go now? - Online, on Discord. - On Discord? - Yeah, they're on Discord now. - Oh, I didn't know that. - Discord and Amazon is like- - Wait, didn't we all have Skype back then?

Back then? We still had Skype back then? We could have still gone on Skype. Do you remember Skype? Yeah, I remember Skype. But we did have Skype back then. Did we? Oh, shit.

- In high school? - No, it was like MSN. - Yeah, we had MSN. - MSN Messenger, okay, okay. - Oh my God. - We had MSN on like Christmas. - One thing I've learned from talking to you is that you have these really cool experiences that I feel like you don't realize are cool and you don't say them. - Yeah, a lot of people, yeah. - So like you'll tell me things, I'll be like, "Rinne, what the fuck? "That's cool as fuck. "Why would you be telling everyone that?" - I literally had this conversation last night with my friend. My friend was just like,

you don't post anything. Like you don't tell me anything. Like, I was like, oh, you're right. Like, I like to experience things and then I just kind of go with the flow and then I forget to post. Yeah.

- Basically. - That makes sense. - But you know, I think a lot of people when they think like, oh, model for like 10 years in a foreign country, it must be so cool. Must be have some crazy experiences. And I'm sure you have some great stories. You don't realize the great stories. - Yes, there's actually one story I like to tell is when I first started modeling for Gothic Lolita Bible and Kera. These are two magazines that were like really big in Harajuku.

It mostly promotes like Gothic and Lolita fashion, punk fashion as well. And when you get selected to be a "Dokusha Model" or a reader model, you basically become a sort of trendsetter.

So when I first went in to when they called, sorry, let me start. You first like appear for their street snaps. There's usually a place in Harajuku that the photographer would be taking your photos. And when you take enough photos and you appear in enough magazines, there's like a little survey in the back.

the back it's all very like manual it's not digital it's very retro yeah you cut it out and then you have to fill it in and then there is a little section that says who's your favorite street snap person and when you get like enough like people interested and the editors are interested you get called in for a interview at the time I was still like really bad with my Japanese but I took my interview like the

And basically what I got out of it was like, we would like to have you on, but also we need to know what style you represent. I was like, oh, but I wear Lolita style. And they're like, we already have Lolita models. So like you have to, and I was like, okay. And then he was like, oh,

- Like, oh, you have to like select a style that's uniquely yours, but it's easily copyable. - So people can buy the stuff and wear it. - I mean, but also like feel like if you wear it,

this formula will definitely look cute. Like it's like a sure thing that will like look good on anyone. So that's kind of my homework. - Yeah, because I guess like from my understanding of it is like Gothic style or goth Lolita style is like,

it can look really fucking good on the people that it can match it with. But there's a bit of a high barrier of entry to it as well. Because it's like, from my understanding, a lot of the clothes are like can get quite expensive as well because they're quite extravagant. And not everyone is going to look good in a gothic style. You need to have like a certain look to you as a base in order for it to work.

I've seen a lot of Japanese girls walk around Harajuku where it's like, they were like born to wear that kind of style. But like, I can't see the average Japanese woman walking around in the golf style. - But you don't know, everyone starts somewhere. - I mean, that's true. - So you kind of just kind of inch your way into like forming your own style after wearing. 'Cause when you first, like at least for my experience, when you first look at an outfit,

- If you put it on, the clothes are kind of wearing you rather than the other way around. And I feel like- - I said this in a past Trash Taste episode and they laughed at me. They were like, "That doesn't make any sense." See, Ritter gets it. - How did you? - You look so disappointed in me. - Yeah, exactly.

- Exactly. - I said on an episode. - No, no, no, when you say it, it's got weight. It's got weight when you say it, Renren. It's got weight. - Okay, I- - 10 years of professional experience. I'm like, yeah, take it out. - I said in an episode, there's a difference between you wearing the clothes and the clothes wearing you. - Yes. - And they laughed at me. Like I was like, "Oh shit." - No, that's so smart. - No, when you say it- - It's a very good- - It's like a little Sun Tzu philosophy quote. - Yes, very nice. - When you say it, Renren, it hits different. - Oh, I see. - 10 years of experience. - Well, don't worry.

- I agree with you. - Thank you very much. - So that's what I feel like that's the difference between styling an outfit and wearing an outfit. Usually if you wear it like as is, it looks good. But then if you wanna add like a little specific you taste to it, then you have to start like accessorizing. And that's the part where I think maybe makes the difference. - Definitely. - So you got like, you got interviewed for this thing and they're like, what's your style? And you're like, okay, Gothelita, was that the style you chose? What did you end up saying? - Oh yeah.

- I ended up going with a which is like poisonous . - What does that mean? - Which is different to .

- Yeah, this was like several years ago. - 'Cause the kawaii fashion, there's so many sub genres of it. - What? - Yes, currently there's a lot, but before there weren't that many. And for me, I don't think I ever like announced it, announced it, but I think with my style, it's a very cool aesthetic plus sweet. So when that gets mixed together, it kind of looks,

- I don't think Dokukawaii actually fits, but that was kind of like the vibe. - That vibe, yeah. - Right, right. - How was like the first few jobs? Was it really weird? - It was very stressful. Yeah, so one of them, my very first one was, I specifically remember it was in August. It was super hot. I got a call. They're like, "Hey, we have one hour. Please wear your summer wear, but one hour."

Also bring like an autumn outfit that you think you're going to like wear. Yeah. So like it, it was indoor, so it's fine. But also like, I'm not really thinking at that time I was very new. So I wasn't really thinking, Oh, what am I going to wear for autumn? Like it wasn't,

ever crossed my mind. So I was like, okay, cool. I'll bring something that I wore last year maybe. So I didn't really go shopping, you know. So I went in and then they led me into this like room. It just had one square table and this huge pile of makeup like a mountain. And they were like, oh, these are all like the

The autumn winter Coming out Like Makeup Cosmetics So Select We want you to Make Change your Summer look Into an autumn look And do it within Six steps And Easy to understand So I'm like Oh And you have One hour So What

- What the fuck? - This is like some kind of squid game trial. Fashionistas, what is this? Wait, you were being paid for this? - If you do it in seven steps, you gotta live with it. - Yeah, you get like transportation fee. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

- It's an honor to be selected. - Honor doesn't pay the bills, right?

Yeah, so like, you know, you select it from this pile. You don't even know what you're looking at, never seen before makeup. So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna stick with Anna Sui because I love Anna Sui cosmetics. So I selected, I brought out all of the stuff that I found that were Anna Sui. And then I looked at the colors, looked at my outfit. Yeah. And then...

We basically We put on makeup And then go to the wall To take the photo From the cameraman And then they're like Okay Hold the brush This way And then they'll like Take a big shot Of your eyeball Right And then You have to just Do it within six steps So Oh my god I was like great And

And yeah, then the ending one was you change into your autumn outfit and then pose. - Was that usual back then for like, you would do a lot of stuff kind of like for exposure in the fashion industry that like to try and work your way up? - Yeah, I mean, it's always very, very good opportunity. So, and plus as for a model getting prints is very important.

So in order to have those is actually very valuable. - I guess in the long run, it's worth more than getting like a flat. - I suppose so. I mean, I don't know. I'm trying to understand how the industry works as well. Like I, cause it all seems kind of very like,

- Do for exposure. - Do me a favor. - I think because it's such, especially in Japan, it's such a competitive market. Like any like opportunity you can get is worth a million bucks for these models, right? Because if you do well in one thing, that's just gonna lead to like bigger, hopefully bigger and bigger and bigger opportunities where you might start getting paid for it. - Exactly. And that's exactly what happened. - Okay, that's good.

- I mean, everyone is like on a collaborative effort almost. So that's, yeah, that's how it was. - Okay. What were you doing to make money before that? Were you like- - Oh my gosh, you're gonna expose me? - You don't have to say. - I was an English teacher. - Oh, okay, okay, nice, nice, nice, nice. I mean, that's, you know, it's very normal. - Yeah, it's fine. - Yeah, I mean, I- - Couldn't be worse than Chris, you know? - Oh, what did Chris do? - I'm kidding.

- Or didn't Chris do? - It was a tough schedule at that time, you know? 'Cause you would be working- - Yeah, no, this sounds, now this sounds like a lot harder. 'Cause now you're like- - It was a lot harder. - You're doing a full shift and then you're like, "Oh, I gotta get here on the weekend to do this thing." - Yeah, I just, I think the toughest time was when I would be waking up at like

Four or five in the morning To go two hours To a school That's like in the inaka So it's like You take a You can't even sit down Because you have to take a train Two buses And like Forever And then

Stay the whole day Work the whole day And then You would Then I would bring all the makeup And stuff Because As a Dokshan model You're not just like There are Chances where they Like do your hair and makeup And you model the clothing The stylist picked out for you But then there's also the ones Where you have to come up With everything And bring your own stuff So For that I would be doing My makeup on the train Which I know is not the best

But sometimes there's like shows or tea parties. I would be like running from around. I would finish my shift around six and then be running and trying to take off my suit. You know, I used to hide my bangs because I have a streak here and I used to have a gradation here. Hmm.

- So my- - You have to hide that for the school? - Yeah. - Oh my gosh. - I wore glasses and I put my hair up and I put my hair in a bun. So when I, it's kind of transforming, but- - You're Clark Kent Parker. - Clark Kent. - Clark Kent. - This sounds like the transformation of every like 90s, like girl movie where- - Was it? - Rip the suit off and underneath the glasses. - It's not that funny.

as it is. It's very stressful. - Doing a two hour commute with multiple changes actually doesn't sound that cool. - And with huge amounts of like, - Yeah, like luggage. - I feel like I'm mixing up my legs. - No, no, no. Joey also is perfectly fluent in both. - Yeah. But yeah, it's funny sometimes because I would be teaching my students at that time. It was like, I was teaching middle school

And so the kids would actually bring Kera to the school and be like, "Sensei, niteru!" - I was like, "Oh, that's definitely not me." - Yeah, I was like, "Who's that?" - "I don't recognize her." - "She's not wearing glasses." - "Who's that?" - And I'd be like, "Hmm, yeah." - That's so funny. - Yeah, but I- - So how long were you doing that for then? Like how long were you like- - About three years. - Wait, as an English teacher and doing back? Wait, back and forth? - Yeah. - That's crazy.

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This might get a little serious, so you could- - No, no, no, no, no. - But we get serious all the time. - Yeah, we get serious. - It was such a tough schedule and keeping up with everything that I ended up

getting really sick after three years. - Yeah, yeah, understandable. - At the time I was sort of being bullied at the school too by the teachers. And so that was really, really, really tough. And when I finally got to go home for Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving day, I landed in the hospital. - Oh no. - Oh no. - But after that,

quit everything good good yes that's kind of the wake-up call turning yeah that was the wake-up call because you know once uh you do one thing continuously it's it's hard to think about doing other things yeah so i did realize yeah i mean this wasn't like my goal to it was an in-between and i learned a lot i really loved my time teaching and it was like um

I learned a lot of skills too, like projecting and putting together lesson plans and making things interactive enough for people to understand. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. How did you go transitioning from like that moment to...

- So you quit, so you got sick, you came back and you're like, "Fuck this, this is killing me." - I'm going full fashion. - I'm going full fashion. - And then you decided to commit to fashion fully or modeling? - Yeah, sort of like the modeling stuff never stopped. So that was fine. I was in like a doing nothing time for a while. And I was like,

I got an opportunity from YouTube Space Tokyo. And it was just through a contact through fashion and they were like, "Oh hey, I'm working for YouTube Space Tokyo, we're starting this boot camp. YouTube is really new to Japan and we want to train the first few YouTubers in Japan." And so there was like, we get a stipend. Yeah, because you were doing YouTube in English about Japan

like back when, like what, 10 years ago or like a long time ago? - Yeah, a long time ago. - So you've been a very OG. - Sort of OG but didn't really do much with it. - Hey, you were there bro. - At least you were there. - So that's why YouTube brought you in because you were doing YouTube and you were kind of having some success with that?

Sort of. I didn't do too much of YouTube, but it was just, I think they were opening a boot camp for fashion and beauty gurus. They had different guru camps. So there was animation guru and there was like, um,

- Yeah, like Let's Plays and stuff. - Actually, I don't think Let's Plays came out just yet, but it was like multi, they call it . - Yeah, like multi-talents. - Yeah, like you play with toys or unboxings and things like that. - Because I guess this is during a time where like there weren't really like the established genres of YouTube creation in Japan. - Yeah, it wasn't. - Around what year was this? - Early 2010s, I'd say.

- No, maybe even later than that. - Yeah, after that. - Yeah, it was like 2013, 14. - Yeah, it was around when I started, I remember. 'Cause like in Japan, like when I first started doing YouTube and I told my Japanese cousins about it, they had no fucking idea what YouTube was. - Right, like it's not a thing in Japan. - Wow. - I'd say it wasn't until maybe like 2015, 2016 where YouTube or where young people started to finally acknowledge. - It's almost impressive how much they've adopted it since 'cause YouTube is,

- Everywhere in Japan. - Yeah. - But before that it was still like Nico Nico Douga and like all these other streaming sites. - Yeah, exactly. - Sorry to interrupt your experience. Carry on about the YouTube experience. - It was Nico Nico Douga and Ameburo. That was like the two biggest things that you were supposed to be doing and Twitter. - Okay, Twitter. - Yeah.

So, I mean, Twitter is still biggest here in Japan. So, doing boot camp, they gave us a stipend to start off with our first camera and lighting. So we actually, it was a whole month and we would come in like school. And basically, one day was dedicated to setting up your camera. One day was...

dedicated to setting up lighting. One was fashion. So they brought a stylist in and like all that stuff. And one was beauty. They did like basic makeup tutorial. And basically they trained us how to shoot ourselves because it is a self-training.

Yeah. Situation. Yeah. And our homework was to produce three videos that were collaborative within the students. There were like a total of seven people. And we just did that. And then right after we graduate, graduated, I was...

- There's the OOM, the agency was right down the hall. So we just kind of go, we just went into OOM. - Right, and just like let us in please. - So OOM being one of the biggest Japanese MCNs? - MCNs, yeah. - Yes, yes. - And kind of agency too, right? - Yes, they're an agency and an MC. - I know they take a hefty cut there, I've heard. - Well, that's just Japanese agencies. - That's all Japanese agencies in general. - It was actually more lenient than my previous agencies.

So I actually really enjoyed my time in there. - Okay, can I ask then, you don't have to name names, what is the worst split you've ever had then? Like what's the worst number? - In terms of like agencies? - 50/50 and I bring in the jobs. - What? What does he do? What is the agent doing there? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 50/50 and you do the agent's job? That's the best scam ever. - They offer- - Exposure. - They offer-

- Protection. I think that's like the biggest thing. - What the mob? You joined the mob, Renren. You should do your coosers. - They come to you and they're like, "Do you need protection?" - I didn't realize. No, you're right. Oh my gosh. - Don't tell anyone, but our company is run by Yakuza. - That's literally what the mob did.

- The mob did that. - They go down to the door and they're like, - It's like, hey, give us half your money and we'll pop someone if they need to. - Let's say other than protection, right? What do they do? - Oh my God, you're crying. No, you're right, you're so right. Oh my God. - Yes, Renan. If I do, let's like be segregated, all right? Let's do a YouTube channel where you do all the work and I get 50% of the money. What a crazy idea. Who would agree to that? - I mean,

- Apparently I did. - Well, no, I think a lot of these MCNs, all these agencies, they have this really good- - It's a full representation though. - In what sense? - Everything. - As in like if the agency will go out of their way, if they wanna promote themselves, they'll also promote the creators that are under them, right? And I guess that's like extra exposure maybe? I don't know. - Well, that's what they sell to you, but did that ever actually happen?

- I think it's important to laugh about this kind of stuff because a lot of the times-- - It's experience. - Yeah, and also to inform people. A lot of these agents don't do a lot. - Yeah.

- But they do do a lot if you get in trouble. I think that's like- - How often are you getting in trouble? What are you causing? Okay, carry on, sorry, sorry. I'm gonna just fuck up real quick. - If you like say something, so the contracts, especially with the 50/50 one, the contracts are kind of serious in the sense that you can't,

have a boyfriend or you can't write certain things on Twitter. Like you can't write politics, religion, any strong feeling or anything against clients that are potential clients.

- Potential climb. - Yeah, you can't say anything negative. If you have something negative that you're thinking, then you just don't write it. That's it. - I mean, that's like a good philosophy to have just as a

- I think so, but- - But the fact that it was written in the contract is crazy. - Yeah, it's in the contract. - And like the no boyfriend or partner thing as well. - Yeah, that's like- - Was this for just YouTube or what was this for? - No, this was not YouTube. - This is just for like- - I was part of modeling agencies before too. - So modeling agencies like no boyfriends? - It depends on the agency. - Oh my God. - Certain agencies like,

- Yeah, and certain ones don't. - That sounds almost like idols. - The one that had that written clause though, they were lenient still. So when I said, "Hey, I'm seeing somebody." They were like,

"Okay, you gotta bring that person in." So we had like a- - Wait, so they're like a dad being like, "If I do not approve, then you're a boyfriend." - No, no, no, not approve, but like they have to go over expectations. So you can't post,

photos together, you can't hold hands when you're walking around in public. If you're like dating and going out to eat, then you can't be like, you can't just be the two of you, you have to bring a third person or a fourth person in. Like you can't give off the hint that you're in a relationship. - So they're basically a full control of your personal life. Like almost. - You can't, well they're like, you can date.

- Unless we're involved. - Unless you're careful. - And that your partner understands what the situation is. - You can't go out for dinner alone. That's kind of sad. - It's also wild to think that this contract was like, "Oh yeah, we're gonna control pretty much most of your personal life and take half your money." - And do nothing. - And do nothing. - Okay, so, so, so, so. - This is a lot to take in right now. - You don't have to- - I'm sorry.

- What? - No, this is fantastic. - You are right though. - This is like we're learning more. - I have a bit of a question, right? 'Cause you're saying in case you get in trouble, can you give me any examples of what types of troubles you might, like they could help with? Just so I know. - Legal troubles.

- Okay. - How on earth are you getting in legal trouble? What are you doing? - I didn't get into legal trouble. - Who is getting into legal trouble in this agency? What's going on behind the scenes? - That's one of the services that agencies offer is their legal department. - I get that, but at the same time, how many models are gonna come back to the agencies where they manage to be like, so the last weekend I accidentally slipped and land on a line of cocaine.

I've kind of broken the law, can you help me with that? They don't break the law that often, right? - Oh yeah, yeah, it's not a common occurrence. Actually, I did see it more often in the YouTube agency.

- What the requirement for? - No, no, no. The requirements are actually the most lenient. - On YouTube? - Yeah. - Because we're like creators. But the legal department does get involved when there's like apologies happening. - Right. - Or like if someone found your place

- Oh, like dancing and stuff, right? - Yeah, dancing and things like that. Like those sort of situations, then a lot of the agency actually takes on a lot of that burden. - Which sucks because it actually happens quite frequently in the Japanese. - It does, it does. - Yeah. - Okay. - So, yeah, so it's actually, it's a sense of protection for me too. Like it's very, very important. - Is that worth 50% though?

- I mean, I'm here now. I'm on Trash Taste.

- I admire your unrelenting optimism in the face of stuff that I would be pissed off about. - Yeah, I mean, whenever I tell you something, you're always pissed off for me. - I get so pissed off. - So I'm just like, oh. - He's just British, that's all it is. - But I think that like, you know. - But also Maylene gets pissed off for me too. - Yeah.

we're in an industry where if given the chance, everyone, most people who you work with will, you know, they maybe cut the cake a little too big sometimes for themselves. I think that like- - I mean, that's just every industry and every- - But especially so with entertainment and talent and whatever, like, 'cause you are the talent. They often, you are often in the much weaker position. 'Cause often you need them or whatever it is. And so I think that,

it's an important skill we have to learn to fight for yourself and look for what that is and know when to fight for yourself. - Especially when it's like new people getting into the industry as well, when the industry was like very, very young when you got into it. Because I remember the first MCN I got signed with, I did not know that YouTube had like a partner program at the time. So this MCN came to me and they were like, "We'll offer you like a 50/50 split." I'm like, "Oh." - So you did it too. - I did it as well. - You did it. - I did it as well. - See? - And I was just like, wait,

- Wait, I get paid? Yo, I'm getting paid just to do like videos? - Yeah. - I think my first one was a 75, 25, which at the time I was like,

- I'm about to get that back. - You got 75 or you got 25? - I got 75. - Oh, okay, okay. - Yeah, yeah. - I would not, if the agency was taking 75%, I would not have signed up on that. - They do do that for a lot of- - Yeah, I know in Japan, yeah. - Yeah, they love the big splits in Japan. - Yeah, that's nice. - Yeah, it was great. But now I know that there's a lot better. - There's a lot better than that? Actually, I didn't know that.

- Okay, so in America, right? I feel like a YouTuber or something. The average now is like five to 15% the agency takes. - That's so little. - Yeah, it's like 80, 85 to 95. - And legal department comes with it?

- Sometimes. - Sometimes. - Well, the expectation is, hey, we're not gonna have, there might be some clause written in where they can like terminate an agreement if you break rules. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Of course, of course. - Stuff like that. - Can we get the coffees? - Yeah, the coffees.

- Thank you Geeks Plus for being an awesome agency. - Yeah. - I haven't had too many legal problems. I've had the occasional one. - Are you gonna like test your- - Test the limit? - I've definitely given geeks a few heart attacks. - The worst we get is Maylin just sweating a lot. - Being paranoid. - And just having some stern talks from Maylin. - Maylin's so good. - She is so good. - She is good.

- She's so good. - If Manon's pissed off, I feel like a child that's like misbehaved. - Oh, I actually, oh, thank you so much. Yeah, you know, I wanna say something. I didn't join this particular agency, but I got one time after a fashion show, I was like,

Like I had one of the magazine editors was like, hey, like, can you come over here for a second? Like this, like, really wants to talk to you. I was like, okay, sure. And so I walked over and we were just backstage in kind of like a dark area. And it's this like big old man, quite, you know. Chubby. Not chubby, but his presence is like.

- Yeah, his presence. - He's like a hunter. - So I sat down and he was just like, "I would like to have you in my agency." I was like, "Okay, great." At that time I was like in between. And he was like, "But I think first we'll have to pay for a..." Yeah, I was like, "Hmm."

- Was that gonna be written in part of the contract as well? - You've met this man for 15 seconds and he's like, "Boob job." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Was that conditional? Like you don't get to join if you don't get the surgery? Was it like you have to get the boob job to join? - You have to get it in order to join and he's willing to pay for it. He is willing. - I guess some people might, you know, I'm sure that people out there would be like, "That sounds like a fucking amazing deal."

- Oh yeah, to me I was pissed. - Yeah, I bet. - I don't know who you are.

- Yeah, that's kind of nasty. - And suddenly he was just like, we need to do something about this part. And I was like- - Okay, wording it like that is gross. But being like, hey, we can give you a free boob job if that's what you want. Like, I mean, you might be like, all right, whatever. But if he's like, you have to join, fix this. - Yeah. - That's gross. - Yeah. - That's gross. - But apparently that was the part that was quote unquote wrong with me.

- You said that was wrong with you? - Yeah, he was like, "Oh, I'm not gonna do that." - Yeah, you can sell more if you got a boob job. - Yeah, and if you like go and sell more. - I can sell more if I got a cock enhancement, but I'm not doing it. - I was like, "Mm, thank you."

- It's like how many hours of me-wing do you do a day? - Oh my God. - You gotta get those numbers up. - But the industry is kind of harsh that way sometimes. - Yeah, 'cause when we would, 'cause I've known you for like, I don't know, like, well, four years now, I don't know, a long time. It was just basically since I moved here. And you would always just say things like that. Like it was like normal. Like you were like, "Yeah, this one guy said this to me." I was like, "What?" And you'd be like, "Ah, yeah, it's a normal thing." Like, "This guy hasn't paid me." - Yeah, you've tolerated a lot of shit from the sounds of it. - Okay, let me know if I say

- You can say whatever you want. - Keep spinning the tea please. - You're doing the best thing, which is sharing experiences without calling people out. And that's a safe way of doing it. - We want you to empty out the teapot. - But the thing is, is that I'm not upset.

- You should be. - I am upset. - We're upset for you. - Okay, sorry. Now I have three people and a Maylene. I was like all pissed off. Yeah, I think I just kind of accept and try to understand the situation as it goes. - You are so much more forgiving than a lot of people.

- Do you have to have this kind of attitude to be in the industry then? Because it seems like- - I think I'm just dumb.

- No, no. - If this is how you say it goes, then I guess either I can work within that or I can't work within that. - You came to a foreign country at a time where I presume there wasn't a lot of other people with the same experience. So of course, if you felt like, hey, this is how we do it here.

- You're like, - You're venturing into the unknown. - Yeah, who am I to judge? Obviously we came, we have Maylene who's a girl boss, tells us what's up, what's wrong. And we have other people, I can talk to you about your experiences with people before. We are very lucky that we came, that we're not the first people who try to do this. - You ran so we could walk, basically. - Oh. - It's true though. - I don't think I did.

- Well, you didn't accept the boob job, so. - At least there was a line somewhere. - I'm just thinking if my parents didn't offer that, then I'm not gonna take it. I know my parents would know what's best for me, not you, random person. - Yeah, totally. - I think there's another world where you showed up where you had clearly had a boob job and you're like, yeah, I didn't accept it. I just couldn't do it. My morals wouldn't allow me.

- I think I said something along the lines of, let me ask my mom. - That is actually a great way of being like, I don't wanna deal with this right now. - Yeah, yeah. - That's a good deflection. That is a good deflection.

- Like mom defines all, mom decides eventually. - Yeah, exactly. - For sure. - Oh my gosh. Was that like, was there ever like an awkward followup or was it like, I'm just gonna quietly never speak to this person ever again? - Well, I mean, I didn't have to. And then when we left the magazine editor person was just like, I'm so sorry. And I was like, no, it's fine.

It was interesting. - How many agencies did you have to go through or have you worked with before like the YouTuber agencies? - I've been through a couple, yeah. - Okay. - Yeah, not super a lot, but I did go through a couple. YouTuber agencies in my experience were the most freeing. - Right. - Yeah. - What was like kind of like the best experience and what was like the worst experience with like different agencies? What should people look out for?

Oh, the best experience, I think, is just when everyone is like...

working together towards the same goal. You know, like I would have- - Is that not the case normally? - Well, I heard the modeling agencies, especially like there's a lot of instances where like the models absolutely like despise each other and like are trying to like tear each other down. - I actually never had any experience with people, with models tearing each other down. - Oh, that's good. - I have more problems with

I'm a problem child. But then everyone just writes me off as the . So . - It's not . - But I feel like from what you've told me in the past as well, it sounds like you're saying that they label you as a problem child because you're like, "Hey, maybe I shouldn't do that thing "that is really weird and you asked me to do." I feel like what you tell me,

what made you the problem or whatever. It's like a very reasonable decline or you're being like, have respect for yourself. - Why would they view you as a problem child? Because it seems like,

You have not done anything that would be problematic, you know? I think even now I struggle with this, but I am very emotion driven. So if I'm not like feeling right of mind, I can't turn on the camera. I can't. I mean, I will go to jobs and stuff and do my best for those. But like, I wouldn't be able to just, you know,

show up and right so like you can't fake through it no yeah i can't i i have very hard time with that like if if it's like uh something like this then yeah if the camera's on then i'm like okay i gotta focus now but at least i know when it's gonna cut off yeah but like um things like being in meetings like i would go to meeting and then the the it's usually he would be like

See, I can't hire American or anything because you're not smiling at me. And I'm like, am I supposed to be smiling at you? We're in a meeting. And he was like, well, yeah, if you're like a Japanese model, you'll understand your work starts when you first step one step out the door and you would be completely put together. Not a hair out of place and very smiley.

- This is my least favorite thing about Japanese work culture is the whole Tate Maya bullshit. I hate it. It is the worst thing ever. And then when it gets taken into extremes like that, it's like, bro, I'm in a meeting. Why the fuck would I have to be smiling at you? - It's like an expectation, not something to be appreciative about. - It is crazy. I mean, it also does extend. I feel like it extends a little bit into like,

like dating and relationships here. Whenever I have conversations with, or Jisun's at the bar, 'cause you know, they're drinking and they always ask me stuff. They're like, "What kind of women do you like?" I was like, "Cute, older women." And then she's like, and they always ask, they're always like, "Do you like Japanese women?" They always ask this. - Yeah, of course. - I'll be like, "Yeah, they're good." And I was like, "Do you like foreign women?" They're like, "Kawaii, kawaii." I was like, "Why?" And they used the word,

- They use the word obedient for Japanese people. They're like Japanese women are good housewife, good obedient. I forgot what the word is in Japanese. - Koukenteki? - Yeah, koukenteki. Yeah, they keep saying that. I'm like, that's weird. I'm like, what you want somebody who just listens to you? They like talk about it like it's like,

- Like a dog. - Yeah, that's so weird. - It's like 50s America all over. - To be fair, a lot of these dudes are, no excuse for it, but they're like 50 or 60. They're like from a time when I guess that's what they were told. But still it's kind of sad when they're like, "Ah, yes."

- They will do everything to my bidding. - They'd be like, "Kanguk Jin, what, Majime?" or something like that. - Majime. - I was accused of being Majime a lot. - Yeah, I heard Majime a lot. - Yeah, actually, you're right. - I think they're like too independent as well. - Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing that a lot of, not just like Japanese men, but also Japanese women see in a lot of like foreigners and why a lot of them, I mean, this is purely just from my anecdotal experience. - Again, this is all from me just talking to Japanese dudes. - Obviously different,

people for you know have different tastes but like I think in general a lot of my friends at least have like problems or trouble like dating foreigners because they're too independent

And they're too like their own person. And it's like a lot of people, especially a lot of Japanese guys want that kind of like a partner that has, can be like the obedient one or kind of like be under my wing at all times. Whereas like a lot of foreigners, I mean, there are foreigners who are like that as well, but I think to the Japanese person, a lot of foreigners are not like that because they're like the strong independent women, right? Which,

- They exist in Japan. - How dare you have independent thoughts. - I'm not saying there aren't strong independent Japanese women out there. Absolutely there are, but I don't think that's what Japanese men are looking for. At least a lot of them from what I see. - It's like an expectation. - Yeah, it is an expectation. - If we say something you disagree with, you can just tell us that. - No, I'm just like thinking,

- I had those experiences, those experiences that you're talking about. And you're right. - I had a really awkward experience the other day at a bar with a Japanese guy. 'Cause he brought up the same thing. And I was with a friend who was a girl.

"No, there's nothing romantic going on there." And this guy kept being like, "You guys should marry. "You guys should marry." And I told him like four times. - But that happens to you no matter what. - This happens to you everywhere. And I kept telling him, I was like, "No, that's my friend. "We are not." - The riser of all strikes back. - And he just kept saying, "No, I think you should marry though." And I was like, "Please stop. "This is so awkward." - Talk to me, you can have a platonic relationship. - We were talking in Japanese to this guy. And then the only time we spoke English, he was like,

"Marry, marry." And I was like, "This person doesn't understand Japanese." And I'm like, "This is really awkward." 'Cause I'm trying to tell him, "Stop saying this." I can tell that this person's getting uncomfortable. And he's like, "No, you should marry though." And I'm like, "Stop!" - Why is this so important though? - I don't know. Whenever I go anywhere with a friend who's a girl, I will always be like, "Oh, Kanoujo." Like, or something, I'll be like, "Kanoujo." And I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, sure, sure."

- Yeah. - Which is weird, right? Because like platonic relationships between guys and girls in Japan is not an uncommon thing.

Just because you're hanging out with someone of the opposite sex here doesn't necessarily mean they're your partner. Like you can have, guys can have girlfriends and girls can have guy friends in Japan. But for some reason, when it's a foreigner, it's immediately like, you guys probably together. You guys probably dating. - I get the opposite experience. Like a lot of times when I go out with Sydney, they're like, oh, friends?

- And I'm like, no. And then he's like, no, he's my husband actually. - Is that, can I ask, is that because you guys are not the same race? - Look, they look at Sydney, white girl, me, Asian guy. And you know, I feel like, especially in Asia, not just Japan, but like in Asia, you normally see like,

A lot of times it's like white guy or foreign guy, Asian girl, but not so common the other way around. - Yeah. - That's true.

- Oh no. - That's so funny. I definitely don't get that. - Yeah, well you kind of like can pass off as like both, I feel. - No, in Japan, I did not pass off as Japanese. - That's true, that's true. - Not at all. - That beard's doing the heavy lifting. - Yeah, Aki is the one that gets passed off as Japanese all the time. Especially when she's standing next to me. They all fucking speak Japanese to her, not me.

- Do people think you're Japanese? - I just feel like you have no way of knowing what a good agency is until you've been in a good agency. I feel like I would all, I think I would get scammed basically too. If I was in a bad agency, I'd be like, I guess this is the price of show business boys. - I mean you can learn though as you go on. Like I managed to kind of negotiate each of my contracts as I learn and know exactly what I want. - No, totally, totally. - No automatic renewals.

- Yeah, that's definitely good advice. - I've always been curious because like, you know, the whole like modeling thing, right? I've always been curious how you, is that a skillset that you learned or was that a skillset that you always had because

Whenever someone takes pictures of me, I have no idea how to pose, how to do anything on camera. And we've had instances where we've had to do photo shoots for like, you know, when we have a new merch drop and every time I'm like a deer in headlights. I have no idea even where to begin. And it's normally Joey, the one giving us advice and giving us tips. - I disagree.

- I wanna see some of Joey's photos. They're so good. - Oh, thank you. - I love it. - Thank you. - But I'm so glad you brought that up 'cause I actually brought a posing challenge for you guys. - Okay. - Posing challenge? - Yeah. - Posing challenge. - You can't put challenge. - The trash test posing challenge. - Oh my God.

- I learned as an experience. So I just keep on going. And then my philosophy is that if I took a really bad photo, I just pretend it doesn't exist. - Actually I have that philosophy. - That would wipe out my entire existence. - The problem is every photo I take is a photo. - Yeah, Garnt notoriously has the worst photos. - You have to study it and be like, oh, actually maybe I should have tucked my chin down a little bit more.

- I'm concerned with how frame can capture all of this. Why are you laughing? That's what the fuck? That's what the heck, Redan? What the heck? - Yeah, you'll explode the camera. You're so beautiful. - Oh God, okay. All right, let's do this. - Posing challenge. - All right, let's do the posing challenge. - Yeah, what is this? I saw this underneath. I was like, what is this? - I'm sorry, it's like a bunch of stuff. But it was from our stream. I just remember when we- - Wait, our stream? - Your stream when I took you around and you were just like, "I don't feel right."

- I did not. When you took me to this, we did a stream together where we went around Harajuku and experienced a different fashion. We experienced kawaii fashion, which is the one I was least comfortable in. 'Cause to me it felt like open up MS Paint, pick all the colors and throw them on a T-shirt. And I didn't feel comfortable with that. - But I mean,

- It wasn't a maid. - That time too, I was like, embrace your kawaii. You just, you have to feel it. - You're telling a British man to embrace his kawaii? - I don't know what the fuck a kawaii is, Rinrin, but I'm trying to figure it out. - Embrace your tea drinking self. So I have a few items, they're very random, but once you embrace yourself and yeah. - I will embrace myself thanks to you, Rinrin. - This is what fashion's all about. It's about experimenting, you know? - Okay, let's...

- Oh my God, does this happen all the time? - Yeah, last time we did it was PewDiePie actually. - We'll let him chill for now. - Oh my God, he also wants to post. - He wants to join in. - Sorry. - Don't worry about it. You're like a baby.

- My child. - I did a Gundam MC once and I actually went out of my way to go buy a kit and stuff. And now I have a very high appreciation for all of these things. - Oh, okay. - Yeah, that one came out. - I'm watching you didn't build that one. - That one was not built. - Okay. - All right, what is this? - All right. First, okay, we'll start off small. I have some glasses. - Okay. - What the heck are those?

- What? - That's a Bruno Mars monster. - So basically put it on and then hit a pose when I count down to three. - Oh my God. - All right. - So you put it on. - I mean, it looks natural for you. - How are we gonna compete? - All right, Connor, you wanna go first? - All right. - Nice.

- How do we judge who? - Jeffrey Dahmer, he was an 80s pop star. - I think Joey can pull this off. - I think with these ones you kind of have to like wear it low, right? Like you can't do it like that. - Looking good. - Mew a little bit. - Yeah. - Do you know what mewing is? - Yeah, I've seen it, but I don't know if it works. - No, it doesn't. It's bullshit. - You've tried it. - Well, it's not that I've, okay. There's no science behind it. - Okay.

- It's good for summer. I think you should wear it for the summer. - I can barely see through it. - Yeah. - What does this look like? - You look like Asian John Lennon.

- How do I begin? - Three, two, one, and pose. - He's not even using the glasses, he's getting rid of them. That's his pose. - I'm taking it off. - I'm gonna keep this one for the rest of the episode. - Yeah, I think it looks good. Although maybe you can't see. Okay, next one I have this. - Bondage? - No. - Yeah, it looks like it. - It's a vest.

- Sorry audio only listeners right now. - We are fashioning. - Tune into the YouTube channel. - What is this? What the heck? - So this is like one of the examples of an accessory item that can bring any look to look like you. So I don't know if you like it, then it'll like up your like coordination. - It looks like I have extra tissues in case I need them. - No, this is like a handmade. - Is it big enough for me? Oh yeah, it is, okay.

- Okay, you know, when you want me to pose in something, Rinrin, normally you don't laugh at me when I put it on. - You know those children on leashes? That's kind of what you look like right now. Like, "Come on, Connor, let's go for a walk." - Why is this hysterical to you, Rinrin? I just don't look good in this. - This is Rinrin's favorite part of the shirt. - What would you normally pair with? - Yeah, what the fuck would I wear this with, Rinrin? My diaper? - Something like this? - Anything. - Anything.

- I don't know. - This is anything. - Yeah, it would work. - Connor, are the clothes wearing you right now? Why are you wearing the clothes, Connor? - You have to go into it knowing that it works. - I know it works. - I think, yeah, exactly. Then you pose. You're like, yes, this is exactly what I was born to wear. - I think I'd get robbed in the UK if I wore this. - Really?

- I would. - Can I see the back of that? Can I see the back of that? Jesus Christ. - You could even wear it backwards too. - I mean, it looks like, you know, someone threw a fanny on you. - I think maybe Joey can pull it backwards. - Joey can definitely pull it off out of anyone. Joey is the expert here. - Even this way or this way. - All right, all right. - A little like change it up a bit. - Kind of like this. - Oh, cool. Now pair it with the glasses.

- Bro looks like he like unraveled a towel and reassembled it. - Boys, we're about to go clubbing tonight. - I don't think it works.

- I don't think it works. - This is the new nonsense drop you got going on. Is this a prototype Joey? - Yeah, this is a- - Explain to me the concept. - New Joey gear. - So the concept of this is you just got back from a party, right? And everyone's done the party poppers and you know how they kind of land on you and you're like kind of feeling in a festive mood for one split. Why would you let that fleeting moment pass when you can bring it home with you outside? Feeling festive all the time.

- Party style. - Party style. - Very nice. Love it. - All right. - Let's see what you got. - I don't think it's gonna work on Garnt. I don't wanna be a hater. - I don't think most things work on Garnt. - I don't wanna be a hater right away, but.

- Yeah, I don't know. - Actually, I think it- - I call this- - Actually, I think it might work. - Weirdly, it could work. - I call this a big baby man. - You need to pull that sweater down. - This is a big baby man style right here. - It's like they started making a bib for you then they gave up halfway. It's like, yeah, we ran out of materials. - So when I was talking to-

the designer at Glam, TK. - TK can pull this off. - Right, so I think, TK wears everything. He speaks amazing English as well. And I asked him, I was like, "How can you wear this stuff?" He goes, "It's Japan, baby. "You can wear whatever you want." - Yeah! - That's swag right there. - I think he literally said baby. - Oh my God, I could totally see that. - And I was like, "Fair enough, I can't pull this off."

- So I asked him to make me a suit. - It actually looks okay on you. - She's a little baby man. - I'm a little bit. - Okay, what's the final? - This is what he wears at home. - Whenever she cooks for me, she's like, "Okay, wear this first." - Hold that thought, little baby man. Back to big, big baby man with this thing. - Well, yeah, Rinrin, of course it looks good on you. - It looks good on you. - Well, I mean, I- - Okay, I guess I'll give it a shot.

- All right. - Ladies get ready to screenshot in three, two, one. - How do I look? - I think it actually suits you. - No, it doesn't. - Fuck off. - Connor, I'm just gonna say right now, there are a lot of moms frothing at the mouth. - Why? - Goo goo ga ga. - Let me be, let me cry. - Let me suck on them titties. - Oh my God, Joey. - Son of a fetish for you. - I think this works. - No, it does not work. - It's your color though. - What?

- It's more pretty on this side. - Should I maybe like pull my hair out? - Yeah, you can. You could even flatten it down too. It has wire in it so you could change the shape of it to anything you want. Or you can make ears out of it. - What would you do if I walked in on you looking like this?

- You're making a statement. - It is a very big statement. - What's the statement? - The statement is get the fuck away from me. - Hide your kids. - I can actually kind of see this as like a portrait shot for a shoot. - How terrible is it? - Yeah, it's gonna go on a wanted portrait poster. - It's so bad. No, it's terrible.

- Oh my God, what is going on right now? - Photo shoot, nice. - Okay, so what I've learned, Rinrin, is just be born looking beautiful and you'll be good at this. - You could just, you just feel it. - Okay, okay. - Fashion is a vibe, bro. - It is. - Well, you know, I'm feeling it right now. - Do you feel it now? - I do, I do, I do. - Let me have a little bit of everything there.

- Do you want a photo shoot? - Oh my God, bro. If you were in the Mardi Gras right now, you would be the star of the show. - Oh, actually look down that way and pull your glasses down slightly. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Wait, it looks like you're checking out someone.

- Hey Joey. - Sup? - Sup bro? - I'm bricked up. - Awful, awful. - How you doing right now bro? - I'm bricked up bro. - You know I take Connor's Instagram photos. - Yeah she does take most of my Instagram photos. - Yeah I've noticed that yeah. I'm so jealous. - Everyone was like, "Who's coat are you wearing in there?" It was Rembrandt's coat I wore in one of the pictures. - Yeah I actually wore it today. - Did you? - Yeah. - That posted crazy. Why are you giving it to me? - 'Cause I didn't take your photo now. I have everybody else's. - Are you uncomfortable?

- I don't actually know how I look. - I think you look fine. - You look great. - You look fine with just that though. - It's shockingly natural. - Okay, ready? One, look over here. One, two, three. I actually think it looks fine. - I don't think this looks fine on me. - Yeah, it looks great on you bro, don't worry. - Bro, you were born to wear that. - It actually looks all right.

- I lost the wifi. - Let's keep one item each for the rest of the episode, shall we? - You can wear that for the rest of the episode.

- Yeah, you do take a lot of my Instagram pics and you did give me fashion advice, which was very helpful. - What advice did we give you? - Well, we went, yeah, these pants, okay, so this is the thing I've learned about fashion, right, actually, 'cause I have this idea of what I should wear or what I look good in and I wear it and I'm like, this feels good. And then when I wore these pants, I was like, I don't, like, they're comfortable, but I don't think I look good in them. But after wearing them for a while, I'm like, oh, I like how I look in these now. Why does that happen?

- Well, I mean, you're feeling more comfortable in the outfit. - That's all it is bro. That's all fashion is. It's like you try it on. - You just kind of melt into it. - Yeah, you try it on like nine times out of 10, at least in my experience, when I try something new, I'm like, nah, this isn't me. And then I give it a few more tries. - You're now working these classes. - No, he's not. - He is.

- Is this the fashion industry, everyone lying to each other? Everyone just lie about the shit you're wearing? - No, everyone is just vibing. - No, 'cause you don't look good in this. - So now you finally tell the truth, Rudren. - Get rekt, bro.

- Yeah, nine times out of 10 in my experience when I try something new, I'm like, "I don't know if I'm feeling it or not, but I'm willing to give it a go." And then you try it on a couple of times and then whether it's through self affirmation or from other people affirming you being like, "Yo, whatever that is, that looks good on you. It's different, but it looks cool." And then that's when you start to be like,

you know what, maybe this is my style. Maybe this is a piece that I like. And then from there, now that you like those pants, for instance, from there you can start expanding a little bit further and further. You don't have to go all the way to the other end of the spectrum, but you can start to be like, well, if these kinds of loose pants- - Dip my toes in the water. - Yeah, if these kinds of loose pants are the thing, maybe like some flare pants or maybe some like Hakama style pants. You can like kind of experiment around with it. - I'm wearing Hakama style pants today.

- Oh really? - Yeah. - Yeah, dude, Hakama style pants, I've been super obsessed with Hakama style pants recently. - What's Hakama style pants? - So Hakama is like, you know, kind of like what old Samurais would wear, where it was like the kind of very, you know the flowy summer pants that I have? - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's Hakama style pants. - Those look sick. - Very, very wide, very loose and baggy. But yeah, like before, like I tried that on maybe a couple of years ago.

I never thought I'd look good in it. And then I started wearing it. I'm like, yeah, I actually kind of dig this. - Yeah. - It's comfortable and it looks good. - The first step is always trying something on. - Okay. - Then you'll know what works or not work. - I need to learn. - Joey's so good. - Yeah, we know, we know, we know. We spend a lot of time with Joey. We know he looks good in everything. - Okay. - Not everything. - More than us. But it's confidence, I guess. You did a collaboration with MatPat.

- I did, how'd you know? - Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

- I think once, twice. - That's sick. - Yeah. - Hell yeah. - What a bizarre crossover. I thought it was so cool 'cause obviously MatPat's retired now, I think. - Yeah, he is retired. - He would be retired by the time this stuff. - Yeah, no, they're so kind. I just, oh, I can't. I can't believe everyone's so nice.

- Why wouldn't they be? Why wouldn't they be? - How did you get in contact with you originally? Or how did that? - Did you just like drop it to him? - YouTube, YouTube? - YouTube. - Did he know you before? - Yeah, so it's like through YouTube space, I think also because a lot of people wanna come in and enjoy the fashion, but don't know who to ask.

And so when they asked YouTube, I was the person who can speak English and guide people around and kind of match what kind of styles people wanted to try. So through YouTube space,

- I also, I met a couple of people actually. - You did a video with Sophia. - Sophia, yes, Sophia. And I also- - You're a YouTuber as well? - Yeah, I also worked with Poppy. - Oh wow. - And also Cameron Dallas. - I'm not too familiar with that person. - I think he's- - I know Poppy. - Yeah. - Yeah, Poppy, yeah, that would have been cool. - And also- - What's she like?

'Cause like, you know, her kind of YouTube persona is quite mysterious. You know, like she hides a lot of it in like some, people aren't too sure if it's like a character or like, you know, how exaggerated that personality is like. Like what is she like in real life? - I don't know if I'm allowed to say. - I just wanna know, I was like a fan of Poppy. - I imagine chill. - I imagine chill, but she also makes like metal music now, which is like, you know, pretty insane. - But she's very into fashion. So like her stylist is,

- On top of everything. - Oh yeah, I bet, I bet. - Who's Poppy? - Poppy is this, so she originally got, well, she's a music artist now, but originally she got big from making these like really cryptic YouTube videos that were like seemingly very, very random.

And like, there were lots of like theories behind that. This is like, when was this? Like mid 2010s? - Yeah, I went to a YouTube space thing and she performed at like the New Year's party in London. - Right. - Oh shit. - The YouTube space, it was very bizarre. - But like, she's just like really, really good music artists as well. But like, yeah, she originally got big making these like series of really short cryptic videos that like was her talking about like seemingly really random cryptic

And there were all these theories about like who she was and what it all means and stuff like that. And I think it was just a way to like kind of get her name out there and like to bolster her music career, which fucking worked. And she makes great metal music now, which is awesome.

The video, so we did a crossover video on my channel and I was part of her dream lore. Right. So it was very interesting to shoot because we're just surrounded in light. It's like... Right, right.

- All the way around, all light. - Yeah, 'cause all the videos were very white, weren't they? Like it was in like a white space. - Yeah. - I'm just going trippy. - Yeah, it was a lot of fun. - Yeah, we also did, we filmed the Lolita video, which we were trying to figure out for a long time. One of the main problems was is that a lot of Lolita brands are very,

- Secretive. - Very secretive. And like when you go to Lolita stores, a lot of them say like, don't take pictures of the clothes, which I always found very like a bizarre request because people are gonna take pictures. - Surely you'd want to get your product. - Yeah, right? That's what I thought too. So like when we were going around these stores, 'cause we went initially when we didn't film this, but we went around the stores to try some stuff on and talk to some of the brands. And I noticed that all of them had like no pictures. Don't take pictures of the clothes. Why is that? - I mean,

the biggest thing is always plagiarism or copying the outfit and being made because a lot of these...

brands, they only run a certain number for each stock item. So it's very highly sought after and also very limited. And it gives a sort of like special collectors mentality to it too. - And I bet it's also expensive to manufacture as well. - It's very, yeah. - There's a lot of care put into it. - We bought those pieces and I remember seeing the prices and my eyes were watering. - What kind of budget do you need to have to get into like Lolita fashion then?

- I mean, the easiest one is just to get the basics first, which is like a head piece, a dress, and then you'll need the underwear for it. So the petticoats and the bloomers and then socks and shoes. - It's already a lot of things. - Yeah. - That's like a couple of hundred bucks, right? Just for that too, right? - Yeah, I would say a dress would normally run around 300,000 to 400,000. - It's like 200, 300 bucks. - Okay.

and then head pieces and all this stuff are around like 3000 to 5000 about. - Another like 20 to 40 bucks. - But under like the petticoats and stuff too, they cost,

- I mean, I presumably look quite nice. - $70. - So you were looking at roughly four, 500 bucks. - That's for like a basic like- - Your shoes would be around two, three months. - Okay, now 600 bucks. - Okay, about 500 bucks. - The Leiter is, as I very realized as well, it's not a cheap hobby. Like it is a very like pretty expensive hobby.

- It's so extravagant, right? - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, it's that really beautiful, very intricate, they're normally mostly handmade. So there's a lot of, but I think it's also great. There's a lot of like care put into them. And it's not like fast fashion where it's just being thrown away. - No, it's very slow fashion. - And it was interesting doing the video with you 'cause I got to talk to some other people as well that did it. But I also remember being like very,

'cause I think everyone was like, they were like, 'cause they were like, I got the impression they were like, "What the fuck is this guy doing here?" 'Cause I'm like trying to talk to the camera. - I didn't tell anyone you were gonna be there. - So I'm in this video, right? You can see the video. I'm literally on a table between like,

30 other like really immaculately dressed women who were there for Runyon's tea party 'cause Runyon does tea parties for Lolita stuff, which I guess you could also, you could tell people about as well. But we did the tea party and I remember being like, actually I was talking to the camera, 'cause I'm making a video. I remember feeling like, man, I can feel

- Feel the glaring. - Feel the looks. - No one's glaring at you. - Really? - Yeah, everyone's like curious about you. - Yeah, I think that's, yeah, I don't know. Maybe I'm imagining it in my head, but I was like, I don't fit in. - But you did set like,

two cameras around you and you kind of like took up. So maybe people were looking because they were wondering what was going on. - Yeah, the cameras. - So what are these tea parties that you organize? Like what's those about? - So there's several different types of tea parties. Normally if it's a branded tea party, they would include like a fashion show, what's coming up for the next seasons and have a chance for their customers to come and dress up and have a,

tea or have dinner. So it's basically a show and dinner or food. And those are pretty extravagant. And then you have the ones that are more like the community run ones or people like me who are like, I guess the

- What are they called? Personalities? - Influencer? - Yeah. Run ones and those, you know, it just depends on what you wanna do. - It's kind of like a convention almost, but smaller. 'Cause I got the impression it was more of like, for a lot of people, it was about, it was an opportunity to dress up in the Lolita that they were passionate about. - Yeah, that's most important is to kind of promote more experiences to wear and make friends and community. - I guess 'cause it's already such a small community, right? - Right.

- More popular overseas at the moment. So yeah, it's- - America is very popular right now. - In China too. So it's like very, very, it's like a, it's a communication tool.

like a lot of subcultures are very communication based but um for my end because i'm a model or part of the industry what i do was bring in all my other industry friends and kind of showcase like what's trending i had a makeup artist come in do a makeup demo um i had a hairstylist come in do a hair demo um we did talk shows between creators or editors and have

- It was really cool. I remember the girl who got the makeup done by that professional makeup artist. - Yeah, she really liked it. - She was ecstatic. She was like, this is like a super rare opportunity you never get. And he's like the goat of makeup, I guess. To me, it's all lost on me. But she was like, she was pumped about it. And I was like, I can respect that, that's cool. That's awesome. - That was kind of,

I realized that was something I can provide. Like a little meeting space between industry people and people who love the fashion. Over COVID, because we suddenly we can't travel anymore or do gatherings. I started with my friends a remote Lolita tea party. And doing that, I had to put together like a process.

like a program that's like more talk show based and realizing that once we start providing all that stuff, everyone had a peek into what this fashion scene was. So taking that and then applying it to a real life setting was the one that you went to was my first time. - That was the first one?

- I didn't know that. - That was my first one. - 'Cause I remember the first time we were talking about it, we were like, maybe let's do it on Zoom. But I was like, I kinda wanna do it in person. I feel like the video would be much better if it was in person things. I feel like online, it doesn't have the same impact. I need to be standing next to someone who's like really cute in the video for it to like make it funny. - But you look so good. You actually like really looked good in the aristocrat style. Did you guys see?

- I can see him looking like an aristocrat. - They dressed me like a 1500s aristocrat. I had like this flop. I actually, I fuck with the shirt. The shirt I want so bad. I think I have it, right? Do I have it? I don't know if I have it. - No. - I gotta buy it.

- Okay, I will get that arranged for you. - It was like this Romeo and Juliet as like fluff, you know, like the frills. I was like, actually this is kind of fire. Like actually this is kind of neat, but I don't know when I'd wear it. When can you wear something with frills? - At a teapot. - At a teapot. - Or when you wanna feel fancy. - How often do you get to wear your outfits? Is it like every day or was it like during special occasions? - That's like suits for us. I mean, I love wearing suits. - I mean, it just,

- It just depends. If it's like an event, then I would wear it. If it's like a shoe, I would be wearing it. And then sometimes when I feel just, I just wanna feel fancy and then I would wear it. - We have tea sometimes with some of our friends. - Yeah, and then I would dress up. - I'm always the worst dressed person there. I rock up in a... - She's always messaging saying, "What should I wear? What color?" But then you only have one suit.

- Yeah, 'cause Renren always wants to take photos, right? And I don't care about photos. So Renren's like, "All right, you need to pick a color that matches with us." And I was like- - What does that mean? - What the fuck does that mean? And she's like, "What color suits you got?" I'm like-

- Black, blue or tan. - Yeah. - It's like, what shirts you got? White. - We'll need to, yeah. We kind of need to expand your wardrobe. - I've been saying that for years. - We got the trash T-shirt. Are you wearing that today? - Yeah, of course. - You're covering that up today? - Is that the one with the hole in it? - This one isn't the hole.

- Oh, okay, okay. - He's got like 30 of these. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He's restocked up. - Oh my God. - It's like the opening in "B" movie, you know, where it's like all the same shirts in his wardrobe. That's what that is. - Well, I mean, if you have a uniform, you have a uniform. - That's his uniform. - It makes life easy. - Yeah. - I wake up and I just pick this up. It's so good. I don't think.

- I feel like that's maybe like to me saying that to you is like me saying to like a chef being like, I just liked the goo. I just mash it all up and make a liquid and I'll drink it every day, same liquid. - I think it works. I still think it's like a statement piece. - You just love trash taste. - He just loves himself so much. - What does that have to do with loving me? - I mean, your clothes say something about you.

- Broke? - Yes, I mean, I do think clothes say a lot about a person. - Yes. - For me it's like lazy. - Yeah, lazy, lazy. - Lazy, right? For most guys. - I don't think so. When I saw your outfit, I still think like you're still well put together 'cause your clothes are still like pristine. - What about me? - Oh, thank you.

That was the slowest head turn I've ever seen. It's fine. That's fine. I get it. You're a work in progress. What?

- Oh shit. - Maybe you wanna see me more fashion stream. - Yeah, it's okay. - I've had Sharpie on the show for a while too. - Yeah, that's the first thing I saw. - You did not see that. - I did. - No, you didn't. - I did. I was like, where's the hole? And then, oh, it's the one with the Sharpie with it. - Why does it have the Sharpie? - I don't know. I think I dropped a Sharpie when we were doing a Trash It After Dark and it didn't come out.

So I just have a Sharpie mark on it. - But that's what I see. - Do you iron your shirts Connor? - No, no, I hate ironing. - What do you say? - Ironing, bro, ironing, ironing, waste of time. Ironing is a waste of time. I hate ironing. It's so annoying. - Me too. - I also hate ironing. - I actually am very wrinkly. - Well, I mean, it's fine. I can't tell.

- Joey gave me this one shirt and it wrinkles like a motherfucker to the point where I don't know if I can wear it. It's that bad. - I can't believe it. - Have you ever tried that spray that's like a wrinkle release spray? - What? - Yeah. - Does it work? - They sell it in Japan. - Does it work? - All over. Yeah, you just spray it and go peep, peep, peep.

And then that's it. - You can also use a steamer as well. Like where you can just like keep it on the hanger and just do that. It takes like a minute. - We don't wanna do that. - No, I don't wanna do that. - That's still too much effort. - We should get you that wrinkle release, right? It's easy. - 'Cause it's really like shitty for me that I gave you one of my shorts and you're just like, yeah, it's too fucking wrinkly. I'm like, what do you want me to do?

- I need a dope out of you. - But it looks so cool, but it's like wrinkled. - That's your fault. - Yeah, that's my fault. - You'll need that wrinkle release. - I do need the wrinkle. I'm gonna need that on my face. Do we have that for the faces? - Yeah. - Okay. - Gotta release these wrinkles too. I'm at it. Maybe some here. - Yeah, just like.

- I mean, yeah, we could take you to a clinic. Do you need to? - Is that how I get the job? No, do I need to? - No, if you want to. - Get some wrinkle spray and then on the way home, just get a quick little Botox, you know? Just to fix up all the wrinkles. - I'll come next Trash Taste Hour. - That's what it is. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - Right there, right there. You just spray it

and then you just tug on it a little bit and you're done. - What is it called? - You're good to go. - What is it called? - Kibiku? - Kibingu. - Kibingu, okay, nice. - But there's tons, yeah. You can get them at the pharmacies. - Yeah. - Mind blowing Japanese life hacks. - There you go. One life hack for you. - Mind blowing. - Okay, try it out.

- It's very easy. - I'll try it, I'll let you know. - I mean, that's what I pack when I go overseas and you don't have time to like steam or anything. You just like pack one of those. - Does it damage clothes at all? - No, and also some of them also comes with the deodorant. - I need that. - So you just all in one, just spray and fluff out. - That should be a handout in every anime convention. God damn.

- You can maybe sell it. - We don't have the formula. - Rebrand it, be like trash, taste. - That's a new side business. Just buy a shit load of these and scalp them. - You know how in clubs and toilets in the sometimes in the UK, I don't know if they have this in the US, the clubs they have do to like aftershave spray. - The freshen up guys. - Do you tip them?

- Okay, first of all, I never do it. I feel weird about it. I don't like that there's a guy in the corner with Febreze in the toilet. - Spray me out boss man. - But like if he had a wrinkle thing, I might have to spray me out boss as a 10. - Yeah, there's a lot of those sort of hacks that are really good. - Okay, shit, I didn't know. Well, I live in ignorance in the dark ages. - I mean, Joey knew about it. - Well, Joey doesn't share his arcane knowledge with us. - Oh, I see. - What do you mean?

- It's asking you shall receive. - Yeah, gate keeps. Gate keeps by me not asking. - Yeah. - But how am I supposed to know? Joey, is there a spray that could somehow fix wrinkly? I wouldn't know yet. - Well, no, just ask me like, oh, my shirts get really wrinkly. Can you help me with that? - You should be like, bitch, why your shirt looks so wrinkly? Buy this thing. - Yeah. I mean, I would have asked if you'd fucking worn the shirt.

- I did, no I did. Because you were like, why is it so goddamn wrinkly, the Cyberpunk one? - Oh, that one, the Cyberpunk one. - You were like, you motherfucker, it looks like shit. - I was so distracted by how much you've ruined my shirt. - So he gave me the shirt and I don't know why, it wrinkles a lot. I mean, it's like quite hefty and for somehow, it was like a wrinkled magnet and it's my bad, I should have ironed it. - Can't believe it. - He was like, what the fuck, Connor? Wrinkle that shit, unwrinkle it.

- Okay, well that's what we need. We need to get that for you. - Spray now. Actually one question I wanted to ask about the Lolita fashion stuff is, is there a scene for guys that do gothic Lolita? - Yes, yes there is. - 'Cause I don't think I've ever seen it before. - It's not super, I mean, it's not like super highlighted in a way because either you cross dress into like a regular just like Lolita outfit

- Or you would wear what I put you in, which is the Gothic aristocrat style. So there's actually a lot of choices, but there's not like a super like, yes for men. And also the sizing for your shoulders, it was hard. - Shoulders and my butt, getting something that fit my butt was impossible.

- Well, it's 'cause it's made for- - Skinny Asian men. - Yeah, skinny Asian man, right? - Well, I think it's fair to say that a lot of the guys who normally wear these things are quite lean, quite thin, and normally try to emulate more of a feminine look. - Fashion shopping in Japan in general. - Yeah, we were able

to work around it for you because- - We did find something. - Yeah, that shit was great. - Yeah, and your pants were your own. - Yeah, I had to bring my own. Well, you know, so for like the past, like until I got these pants, I'd go to Uniqlo and I would buy like three or four pairs of the exact same jeans. And after like four months, I think my ass or thighs would wear them out so much that I would have to throw them away 'cause they would just start ripping. - It's that big dump truck. - But I had to buy ones that were like,

- I had to either compromise 'cause if the waist was big enough, they'd be too long. If the leg size was right enough, they- - Were they like the Chino pants that you get at Uniqlo? - No, the black stretch jeans. But then I discovered in Uniqlo, didn't know you could do this, you can go somewhere, some of these stores, you can take pants and then they'll cut them for you. - I was wondering why they do that in most Uniclos. - I didn't fucking know this existed. - Don't they seam it for you? - They're usually right next to the changing room. - So this whole time I'm like rolling up my like,

- I thought they sold it especially long just so that you can see it. - Nobody told me this. - They're like right next to the changing room. - They have signs up, even I knew this. - I didn't know this. - I don't like being in there long. I wanna get in and out of fashion places. I don't feel like I'm in my element. It must be like, you know, 'cause maybe when you go into like a PC store, you're like, what is all this?

- Yeah, I always ask the staff person. Be like, "Give me the best one for this budget, okay?" And that's it. - See, I'm scared 'cause I'm like, they're like, "We can't work with this." - It's okay. - You can work with anything, it's okay. - I take you shopping, right? - Yeah, we'll go shopping again. We'll figure it out, we'll figure it out. - Time and commitment, that's all. - The biggest thing is like, everyone seems to say that he is like experimenting

- Exactly. - And that is like the scariest part of trying any new style or any new fashion. I think I've had the same haircut for like 10 years now, probably longer than 10 years. - What's wrong with that? It works. - Have you changed your hairstyle ever? - Yeah, he was silver at one point, remember? - Yeah, I had a silver hair at one point. - Yeah, you did.

- How was that? - I didn't know that. - Yeah, it was awful. - I think it looks good on you. - I liked it when it was blonde and it was like the half of it. - Like a dirty blonde, yeah. - Yeah, I liked that. But I don't wanna bleach my hair again otherwise it'll all go. - Yeah, it's all right. - It's really harsh. - I was playing with fire. I was playing with fire. - Bleach is very, very harsh, yeah. - Would you ever do the Jesus cut again, Joey? - Hell no. The Jesus cut was just too much to maintain, man. - What is the Jesus cut?

- His hair was like very Jesus-esque. - When we first started Trash Taste like four years ago, my hair was down to about here. - Wow. - It was really, really long. And I had it in a ponytail that was also really, really long. And people kept saying I looked like Jesus Christ. So that's why it was the Jesus hair. - His name is Joey. - Are we gonna pull it up? - Yeah, Trash Taste. - His name is Joey. So, you know, it sounds like Jesus. - Oh, it is long. - Yeah, it's really, really long.

- Looks like a vagabond. - You look like wandering samurai. - Would you ever try a wolf cut? - What is a wolf cut? - What is a wolf cut? - Wolf haircut? - Wolf cut. - There are two wolves inside of me. - I have no idea what this is either.

- Wolf cuts. - Yeah. - Oh. - Yeah. So it kind of looks like, you know, very, I mean my hair, I think when it gets long naturally kind of becomes wolf cutty because of my hair is just so wavy. - This is the new, the TikToker look now. Everyone on Tik Tok has this hairstyle. - I mean, yeah, in Australia we call it a mullet.

- I was like, is this a mullet? This looks like a mullet. - Holy shit, second row, fifth from the left. Look at that one. - Is that me? - That is a wolf. - Oh my gosh. - That's Chewie's second wolf inside of him. - That's a fucking mane. - That is a mane, bro. That's a wolf mane. - Yeah. - I don't know.

- I thought about it at one point because again, it naturally kind of already goes in that direction, but it just seems like a bitch to maintain. And that was the only reason why I got rid of the Jesus cut because it was like every time I'd wash my hair, it would just take a billion- - Yeah, I liked that it takes like five minutes to dry. That's the best thing ever. - Oh, okay, okay. - And also, yeah, because my hair is quite like light and very stringy because from the Japanese side, if I don't like do something with it in the morning, it just fucking froze out.

and it just goes all over the place and it looks terrible. So that's why I always put it in a ponytail. But now like with this length, it's nice. Like I just pat it down a little bit and I'm good. - Do you guys use products in your hair? - I don't know. - You do. - Yeah, I do. It works better when my hair is shorter. I just haven't got my haircuts in a while. And I should get a cut like at least probably once a month for like my hair to be comfortable, but I am lazy. - What do you use? - Sorry? - What do you use?

- Oh, getting quiesced now. - I just use some like basic hair gel and then a little bit of hairspray and then that's it. - Not wax?

- Wax doesn't work when my hair is this long. - Oh, I see, okay, okay. - But when my hair is a bit shorter, then wax is like more usable. Sometimes I use clay as well when my hair is shorter. But yeah, I just, a lot of times my strategy with hairstyle is what is going to take the least amount of effort to maintain and not look awful. - I mean, guys hairstyles, you just,

take a little bit of product and you just run it through and you're done, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I don't know why, I like the messy look, like whatever. - Connor and I over the course of Trash Taste have been repping what I call the bed head look. - Ah, okay, okay. - I like it. I don't know why, it looks like, I don't know.

It's a little bit messy, but that adds character. That adds a slice. - I mean, you don't seem to need product 'cause it kind of just all bunches together and has a definition. - 'Cause if I don't have product, oh my God, there was this one time where I think me and Sydney were flying back from, I think it was like Korea or Thailand. And we were in Russia. I was like, this will be the one day where I'm just flying and then I'm going straight home. No one's going to see me.

And then, so we get to Canada and I get recognized. And normally I go have like my hair spiked up with products in there. So this time I hadn't had my haircut in a while. So it was just like completely flat. And he asked to take a picture and I was like, sure, whatever. People ask for private pictures all the time. He ends up posting it on Reddit. And then, so this is what I call, Kai, can you search this up?

- 'Cause I look like a beetle. - What? - Without any hair products. - Not the insect, like the man. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trash cake. - Beetle cut. - Beetle cut.

- I met Garnt in Sydney at the airport. It became like the most liked picture for that month. And I'm like, the one time. - That is a Grant. That is not Garnt, that is a Grant. - You look like you develop software. - Yeah.

- You work at Microsoft, bro. - Broke with the fucking- - Turtleneck. - With the turtleneck there as well. - I have noticed though that Garnt is I think the only man I know, nay, the only person I know that actually looks good in a turtleneck.

- Yeah, he looks really, yeah. - I cannot work a turtleneck, at all. - Really? - I can do it. - Not my style. - I think you can. - Yeah, I think you can work it better than I can. I can't do a turtleneck at all. - We should do an outfit swap one day. - You don't have a photo of a turtleneck? - I don't even- - I wanna see. - I don't think I've ever owned a turtleneck. - You can definitely own a turtleneck.

- It requires proportions, right? Proportions need to look right for a turtleneck to look right. So like your shoulders, neck, head. - Proportion wise, I just don't think I'm built for a turtleneck. - I don't know. - I reckon you could put- - Really? - It's confidence, right? - All right, well we should- - We just spent an hour saying it's confidence. - We should have an episode where we all wear turtlenecks. - We should all like do an outfit swap and just wear each other's outfits. - Easy, bro. - You guys haven't done that? - I got Connor's one. - Wait, you guys haven't done that?

- No. - No. - Do you do that with your friends? - Yeah, sometimes for videos we'll do like outfit or makeup swap and things like that. - I was gonna ask you, is there any like one piece of advice that you could do? - One piece? - If there's one universal piece of advice you give to everyone to improve how you either like look or feel fashion wise, what would it be? - Oh, that's a tough question. - Is there one thing you tell everyone you should be doing?

- Confidence. - Okay, okay, okay. - Confidence is number one, but also curiosity and trying on things. - Okay. - It's that action of putting something on and seeing and- - Yeah, not like just dismissing it, like I do right away and be like, I'm listening to the book. - Yeah, you can't just like look at something and be like, "Hmm, that's not for me." 'Cause then that's,

The story just ends there. You have to like go and put something on. Like when you brought up earlier, you're like, oh yeah, it's hard to try things on. But I do think like buying used stuff or going to flea markets, things like that, it's easy to...

try things on at a very low price. So I always like suggest that buying used clothes, it's not only sustainable, but also allows you to play around with your style. - Yeah. See, I also have a second problem as well, which is, I guess it goes all the way back to that confidence thing. But whenever I try something new and everyone says, "Oh, that looks good on you." I look at myself and I'm like, "Everyone is lying to me." - Yeah, I think that's true. - Do you know what I mean?

- The irrational urge that everyone must be lying to me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, they're friends, they must be lying to me. - I think that stems from the manly instinct of when you get a new haircut and everyone says, "It looks good on you." Whereas it's like, "No, don't flatter me. I know it looks like shit. Let it grow out a little bit and then you can say it."

- I mean, if you take a photo and you take a look at it and you kind of decide. - Well, see, that's the problem. He doesn't take photos. - Okay, well, I mean, now you have two people here that can take photos for you. - I'll take photos of you? - Yeah. - You know what I look like in photos. - That's why I wanted to. - I have an entire camera roll of just half-eyed guys just like. - Okay, it's because sometimes I- - He's a master at getting his photos taken halfway through blinking.

- That's a skill. - I think it's nervous tick because I'm like, whenever someone like takes a photo or whenever a nervous coming, I'm always like subconsciously, I should get the blink out before the photo needs to be taken. I don't know. - Not be like, "Hey, let me open up my eyeballs

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause sometimes I suddenly become very conscious about how dry my eyes are. So I'm like, I need to keep my eyes open for this shot. So I'm gonna blink before. And it's always whenever someone like clicks the button constantly. - It's really fun. - I know. Half of his photos that he's taken of me, it's just me going. - Yeah. - Oh God. - That's great, I love it.

Obviously, you know, you've been doing fashion for so long. What are you doing now? What are you trying to get off the ground? Like what's next? Um,

So recently, I started doing music. So doing, I'm not like the best singer, but I'm working with a friend of mine and we're doing music for Lolita fashion, kawaii fashion. We want to create like an atmospheric music for people to feel cute when they're listening to it. So yeah.

there's that part and then thanks to you started streaming a little bit. - That's my fault? - Yeah, I mean, you set it up. - Oh yeah, I did. Yeah, you were like, "Hey, can you set up my stream set up?" And I was like, "Yeah, sure." I go over, it's a Mac.

I was like, what the fuck? I don't even know how to use this. - True. - I've never used a Mac before. - Yeah. - So I was Googling things like, how do I- - Where's the old key? - No, I had to Google, where is the file manager? I didn't know how to open files. I was like, I'm useless. I was like, you give me a Windows PC, we're up in 10 minutes. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I was like, wait, can this even run games?

- I mean, now I have a separate laptop. - Okay, nice, nice. - That's like a Windows one. But you did end up setting up everything through the Mac. - Well, if you need help with Windows, I can do it really easily. - Yeah, so I started doing that. It's very scuffed.

- Great usage of the word scarf. - So it still looks really terrible, but yeah. So I'm playing a little bit replaying Elden Ring right now to make it in time for the DLC. - Oh yeah. - Do you like Elden Ring? - It's a love hate relationship.

- That's probably the most accurate thing you could have said. - I'm very scared. Like I'm just a scared person in general. So any jump scare of any kind, it just automatically already gives me a heart attack. So Elden Ring is like- - Definitely full of those. - Yeah, I'm like half screaming through the whole thing.

and closing my eyes and like pressing the button and hopefully it'll like kill something. - I'm exactly the same when it comes to like scares. - That's not a great way to play the game. - Really? But I made it through it once. - You beat the entire game? - I did. - Without looking?

- I mean, I have to look. - So blindfolded run. - What kind of build did you do? - Did a bleed build, an ROV. And then after I beat Milenia, I changed everything to her build. - Okay, all right. - Yeah. - What the heck? - That's more than me and Joey. - Yeah. - Oh. - I haven't started. - They're not real gamers, bro. They haven't done it. - Hey, I'm playing Final Fantasy VII, all right? I'm busy with that.

- How is it? - It's good. - Yeah? - Yeah, pretty good. - I saw a lot of people playing it. I haven't gotten into that one. - It's good. I just finished the part where you get to Costa del Sol and you get to see Yuffie and Aerith in their swimsuits. And I was like, "Gee-ah!" So yeah, very good. - What is a "Gee-ah?"

- What is gyat? - What was that? - Joey, do you wanna explain what gyat is? - Gyat is just when you- - What is a level 10 gyat? - It's an exclamation of when you see- - Like god damn. - Yeah, it's like god damn. It's short for god damn. - Oh, it is? - Yeah. - Like that's attractive. Gyat is like, oh, she's very attractive, or he's very attractive. - G-Y-A-T.

- It's like, "Yeah, damn." - What is this short for? - Yeah, damn. - Okay, okay. I'm like, "Huh?" - This lingo stuff is really hard to follow. - Yeah, I'll tell you about all the other lingo, and all the time. - Okay, I did learn kick W from you.

- That is the worst thing. - That's something you shouldn't say in real life. - You can say it on stream though. - You can say it on stream. - Can I say it here? - Yeah, if you want to. - Okay, okay. - Yeah, you can say it. - 'Cause I just said it. - You're in a safe space. - You can't just say it now. - Oh, you can't. - You have a reason. You can't just say Keck W.

- Wait, what the fuck? - Just walking around. - Wait, do you say keg W on stream? - I'll occasionally say it like keg W. I won't say it like I'm laughing. I won't replace a laughter with it. But I'll be like, why is, why is-- - I'm keg W-ing right now. - Just be walking around. - I'll be like, I'm sure I say it, but I don't know why I say it, but I'm sure I say it, but I'm sure I don't say it to replace laughter, 'cause that, I just laugh.

- It's like the people who say lol. - I do say lol though. I like saying lol. I like saying lol, Lamal. Lamal I like saying. - Yeah, I know you do. - I love saying Lamal. - 'Cause Lamal just sounds sarcastic. - That's great. - I don't think I've ever-

- I don't think I've heard anyone say that. - Well now you have. - He says LaMal. - I'm sorry that you had to listen to me say it. So do you think streaming is gonna be like your next venture that you're gonna try and commit more to or is it? - I think I'm having fun learning what it's like. The community is,

very different from what I've known before. And I actually also was talking about this with my friends yesterday, 'cause they were saying like, "Oh, you're very cold online, but you're not cold in person." So like, I'm like, okay, but I also like,

I feel like I can show myself more through streaming anyways. So I feel like it's actually beneficial too for me to stream. Like I was streaming only because I wanted to play games, but- - Based. - Yeah. - Would you ever do any more? - I knew you were gonna ask what based means. Do you have any idea what based means? - No. - Based means like,

- Fuck, it's like an expression. - It means just like cool. - Great opinion or like whatever you said, people are like, I agree with that wholeheartedly. - Who can I say this to? - Anyone under the age of 35. - 30, 30, 30. - I don't think anyone my age says base unless they're on the internet. - So like you'd be like, if you, if I'm like, what's your favorite game? You say "Album Ring" and I'm like, that's based.

- Wait, one more time, what does it mean? - Like a great opinion. - It means that was a great opinion and I agree with it. - It's like a chat opinion. Do you know what chat is? - Chat is chat. - No, no, Chad. - Chad. - Chad. - What Chad is? - It's a big lake. - Do you know what a giga chat is? This is a very common Twitch chat one. - No. - Have you ever seen this? Can you type in the giga? - What, I immediately? - Have you ever seen this image before?

- No. - What? - You never seen this? - When you said Chad, all I can remember is a hanging Chad. - A what? - What? What is it? Can you Google hanging Chad? I wanna know what this is. - I saw it on "How I Met Your Mother." It was a costume. - Hanging Chad?

- Yeah, it's like a voting thing. - What? - I've never seen this. - Chad is the, oh, it's the term for the little thing, right? The pop-out thing, right? - Oh. - Oh. - Hanging Chad. - I haven't heard someone bring up how I met your mother in like 10 years for a minute. - Sorry. - No, no, no. - I rewatch a lot of shows. - Chad? 'Cause you know, in America, a Chad, you know,

If you were to think of like in a TV drama, Chad would be like that kind of- - Like the jock. - Like a varsity jock. Kind of like, "Chad, Chad, my parents are like, they paid for my tuition." - So it's the name of someone. - Yeah, but it invokes the image of like- - It turns into a stereotype. Like, do you know the Karen stereotype? - Yeah. - Yeah. - It's kind of like that. - So kind of like that way. It is a name, Chad is a name, but it's like the stereotype is someone who's very strong, very cool.

- So a gigachad. - So it's a good one. - A gigachad means like, if you say like, "I beat Alden Ring." Everyone would be like, "Gigachad." - He looks like the photo of Squidward.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the handsome Squidward? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's a giga chat. - He would be a giga chat. - Oh, okay, okay, okay. - Yeah, he'd be a giga chat. - So I know that one. - This is absolute brain rot, by the way. I'm so sorry. This is like brain rotting material that we're teaching you. - Oh, okay, okay. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's giga chat. - That would be a giga chat. - Yeah, yeah, that guy looked like that. - Yeah, that would be, Squidward does, is a giga chat. - Oh, okay, okay.

So now you've learned some things, you can present to your chat and tell them all about it. - Yeah. - Okay. - This is information that is not relevant or important outside of Twitch, mind you. - Okay, not even YouTube? - Yeah, YouTube, yeah. - I guess outside of the internet, it's not relevant. - Gigachat is very, very common online.

I think it's like one of the most used terms and based. Based and giga chat are used a lot. - Do people call you guys giga chats? - We wish. - Maybe one day. - One day. - With your fashion accessories. - Oh yeah, yeah. I'm a base giga chat wearing. - Yeah. - I'm like a giga chat wearing.

Cute Chad. Kawaii Chad. Kawaii Chad. Casey. Casey. Kawaii Chad. I feel like you two already kind of melted with the thing.

- I forgot what I was wearing. - I did not melt into it. - This camera is just like the Yakuza characters in a costume. - This is what I put on a random armor that just gives me like- - Yeah, this is good stats. - 20 light armor. - Finally, is there anything, where can people find you? Where can they like keep up with your stuff? You should tell them, let them know. - Everything on RINRINDOL and that's spelled R-I-N-R-I-N and then D-O-L-O.

- There you go. - On everything. - Everything will be down in the description below, but yeah, thank you, Roon Rooster.

- Thank you, Rinrin. - Thank you so much. - This was actually so fun. You're an amazing guest. - Thank you. - You did fantastic. - Thank you for coming on and teaching us about fashion. - Yeah, Rinrin was initially worried. - I didn't need to know about it. - I know, exactly. I totally agree with what you say. - I felt like you were- - Finally some recognition. - You wanted more structure out of our podcast and you were like, "What are we gonna talk about?" I was like, "I don't know." - Yeah. You were like, "No meetings."

- That's so Japanese. They always want to have a meeting before we shoot something. - And then I was like, okay, can you tell me where and when? - Sorry, I didn't- - You didn't tell me where. - That's the bad minimum. - I did tell you like five days ago, so that's fair, right? - That was yesterday. - I told you yesterday? - Didn't you tell me yesterday? - Was it yesterday? - Yeah, I think it was yesterday. - You told me yesterday and then you gave me the wrong place.

- It was close by. - Well, thank you for coming on the show. - Thank you so much. - Thank you, thank you. - Hey, look at all these patrons though. Do you see all these patrons on screen? - There's a patron on screen right now. Which one do you like? Pick one out right now. - Who's the most fashionable patron? Point them out. - That one. - Okay. - Congratulations. Now you have to prove yourself online.

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- It's the Ali-A meme. - Joey, maybe you were right. Maybe we should give up on watching anime, man. - Yeah, I mean, this is a great reason why. But hey, if you'd like to support the show, then head on over to patreon.com/trashtaste. Also follow us on Twitter, send us memes on the subreddit. And if you hate our face, listen to us on Spotify. And again, make sure to go check out RinRin. Links to all of her stuff is down in the description below. - Yes. - Thank you. - Thank you so much. - All right, all right. Bye guys. We'll see you next week. - Bye.