We're Too Addicted to Gacha Games | Trash Taste #33
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- I can't stop farting recently, it's terrible. - I just had the most unpleasant shit like five minutes ago. - Are we rolling? - I swear it's not a Trash Taste recording day unless Garnt takes like a wicked shit. - Like I know we're about to start recording when Garnt comes out of his like shit training arc. - It's just on schedule, you know? - All right, let's go.

- Welcome to this episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host, of course, your boy Connor with Mike Wazowski here. Nice seeing you back, Mike. And no one else. - I like how you grabbed the G Fuel there. - I didn't want to hurt Mike like that. - By the way, Mike. - Mike, I can't handle Mike that harshly. It's great seeing you back, Mike. And of course the boys, I guess. - We're second to Mike.

- Of course, we're all second to Mike Joey. - He's the real player four. - Mike Wazowski for you audio listeners out there. - People are like, oh, there's a guest called Mike. - It's very quiet. - I forget sometimes that we have audio only listeners, which shout out to you guys. Hello, I'm waving at you right now, even though you can't see.

- Let us know your presents. Oh wait, you can't. It's audio. - So what have you guys been up to recently? - Oh, fuck all I guess. I mean, this is the first recording session of the new year for us, right? - Yeah. - Oh yeah, it is. - So we just come out of our Christmas and New Year's, I guess.

quote unquote break. - Yeah. - 'Cause it didn't really feel like a break to me. - Even though it's never really a Christmas holiday for YouTubers, because I feel like we've talked about this many times before, but we'd never, we are very bad at taking breaks. - If anything, it's like the last minute grind, right? That we do at the end of the year. - I mean, I've just been watching a shit ton of anime because it's the end of the year. - I remember when I used to do that. - This is like my one time of the year where I actually just sit down and just catch up to the year. - 'Cause you don't feel bad, right? 'Cause you know that everyone's not like doing anything

- Yeah, yeah. - I don't feel bad for like just binging a few shit. - Exactly. - What did you binge, Con? What did you watch? - Basically most of everything I missed in 2020. So I watched "Jujutsu Kaisen." - Yes, it was so good. Have you watched that yet? - No. - Bro, it's so good. - I don't watch anime. - Have you read the manga at least? - No.

- It's really fucking good. Like I was going into thinking like, are we just gonna get like, like every year there's everyone's like, dude, this is the Shonen. It's gonna replace. - That's what I've just been hearing. Then I'm just like, they said that about Dr. Stone. They said that about a lot of shows last couple of years. And I'm just like, all right. - Jujutsu Kaisen is where I've actually got like a job watching it. Like I'm actually like hyped, like see where it goes. - It's a show that is just,

It just knows what it's doing. And it's obviously been like influenced from previous Shonen, but my God, it's just doing everything that it needs to do right. - All I've heard is that if you watch the anime, it basically does everything the manga does. So it just makes the manga obsolete.

- Yeah, I mean, that was just Demon Slayer, right? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I want no manga. Get rid of manga. I'm sick and tired of these manga. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. - I was like, this man's done like entire manga reading streams before.

- I'm about ready to throw hands right now. - Yeah, exactly. - I'm tired of manga readers constantly playing the same damn card, right? When is that card gonna get old? How many times can you use the, "I've read the manga card"? - Oh, I use it all the fucking time. - How many times can you use it before you're just an asshole? - Oh, I just don't care. And I think a lot of manga readers just don't care. - So everyone just says the Jujutsu Kaisen anime is exactly one for the manga? - Basically what I've heard is that the anime does everything the manga does, but better.

- I mean, from what I understand, that's just a lot of Shonen Jump titles. - Seems to be the way to go though. - Yeah, exactly. - I mean, Demon Slayer did it, and Attack on Titan's doing it. - I don't understand why there was even a thing of let's just change the story unless they hadn't been adapted yet. - Right. - Which hadn't been, sorry, finished yet, sorry. Why even change the story in my mind? Everyone loved this thing, and so everyone's like, yeah, everyone loves this show. Let's just change it. - I mean, I feel like you,

- I mean, I started watching anime after the period where there was like so many anime adaptations that just fucked around with the manga and the story that you've forgotten that this was a legitimate like selling points where we had a manga that followed. I mean, we had an anime that followed the manga through to the end. - I can understand why they did it. They're probably like, "I'm fucking, they're in the '90s or '80s." - Yeah, you didn't watch the '90s shonen jump adaptations, right? Where it's just like,

- No, I like this manga. - I imagine the producers were just like, "I'm sick and fucking tired of these manga readers on their high horse. You know what, I'm gonna fuck them over and make something they can't say, 'Oh, I know what happens.'" That's probably why. Because they probably brought the manga readers to the screenings. They were like, "Yeah, yeah." You know where it's going, do you? - No, if anything, it made the manga readers look better. 'Cause then the anime watchers would be like, "Well, I've heard from the manga readers that this anime is pretty good." And then they go and they're like, "So what happens in the manga?"

Could you tell us? Could you tell us? We really want to know. We're interested now, finally. Fair enough. No, but do you find that the older you get, the less anime that you watch, but the more manga that you read? Yeah, I'm in that right now. I feel like that's the path of every anime fan. Maybe I'm not old enough yet. I don't know. I haven't got that yet. You're like, what, two years younger than me? Yeah, exactly. Let's go. It's 25. To be fair, though, it was around your age where I was like, manga's a thing.

- Really? - Yeah. - Like 24? Which you didn't start reading manga properly like- - No, no, I've been reading manga all my life. But the thing is like up until around like a couple of years ago, I would be like very heavily, like I'd say like 80, 20 anime, manga.

But now it's like kind of flipped around. I'm like 80, 20 manga to anime now. - 'Cause you just realized that reading manga is basically watching anime, but just more optimized. It's basically the speed run version of watching anime, right? - Basically. - No voice acting, no music. Like what am I supposed to do? Do this shit myself? - The only part where it could like potentially fuck up is like on the author, right?

There's like no second hand to be like- - It's just like pure story, right? You don't need anything else but just the pure story. And sometimes- - There's only one person to blame if it sucks. - That's because it's like, you don't know what you're missing out because you never think about it. Like you would never, I'll keep coming back to it. You don't know that you needed Jordan's theme in your life until you had Jordan's theme in your life, right? Like part five was amazing without Jordan's theme.

- But now part five has Jordan Osteen. It's like 10 times better. - Didn't you read the manga of part five before you watched the anime? - I did and I think the anime is better.

- Yeah, no, no, we can agree with that. - Okay, we all agree with that? I was like, wait, I was giving it a second to sit there. I'm like, all right, I'm waiting for the fans to- - No, no, no, no, no. - Of JoJo's by the way. - I haven't seen all of part five yet, but the little that I have seen is like already better than the manga. But that's not to say that the manga is bad. - This is a very rare case where I feel like a legendary manga has been adapted into a legendary animation.

- Yeah. - We don't get many of those, I think. It's always one or the other. - Because the problem is when you have a legendary manga, everyone's expectations is so fucking high. And I think that's what's happening with Attack on Titan right now. 'Cause I swear to God, everyone is looking for every little fucking nitpick they can think of to shit on like the change of studios, right? Where I think MAPPA is doing a great fucking job right now. And the amount of like,

shitty takes I've seen on Twitter when the first episode aired. - I was streaming the day after it came out and all the comments were like, "What do you think of the 3D CGI Connor in Attack on Titan?" I was like, "I didn't even fucking notice it. What do you mean? It's fine." It looked gross. What do you mean? I'm like, "It was like two seconds and it looked fine. Stop fucking nitpicking." - I love all those shitty takes where it's like, "Oh, it's done by," knowing now that it's done by Mapper instead of, was it Silverlink?

- No, not so much. - Studio wit. - Studio wit, yeah. It's like knowing that it's done by Mapper instead of studio wit, it just feels different. It just feels different. - I had this image of my head of someone in their house, right? They've got like Shingeki no Kyojin shit all over the room waiting with their popcorn. They're like, "Yes!" The moment like the CGI comes on, they're like, "Oh fuck!"

"Oh fuck this!" I knew they'd fuck it up. - No, 'cause what I want to know is that did they just forget what the Colossal Titans looked like in season two and three? - It looked shit. - It looked like absolute garbage compared to the CG now. And just because every Titan is CG now, people like, I don't know,

- It's just bad takes. And I feel like it's just because it's such a massively popular franchise that I feel the new, like, MAPA are doing a great job and you got a great story anyway. - That's what I love about following like those like massive toxic fan bases, right? It's just the amount of shit takes that come out of it is just so entertaining. - And people like shitting on the opening as well. And I'm like, what was wrong with the opening? - That's what people said about the last opening. And now everyone fucking loves the last opening.

I already get it, man. People would just get angry every fucking season. But I guess it's because the problem is that someone has a bad take on Twitter and then everyone fucking clowns on them. So that's the only take that anyone sees. Everyone's fucking clowning on that guy. It's like the opening sucks. Well, it was all colorful. - Although to be fair, the attack on Titan, like when episode one came out, there was,

- Lot of shit takes. It was just all over my timeline. I'm like, who are these people? - 'Cause people want brownie points, man. - Brownie points for what? Looking like a clown. - Well, that's the thing, right? 'Cause to these people, it's like, people aren't gonna see if you're a clown, but if you, that one time you get a successful take that like takes off, imagine the clout you get, Joey. - It's like the science behind hot takes, right? 'Cause hot takes aren't actually hot takes. It's like saying unpopular opinions.

The unpopular opinions that people upvote aren't actually unpopular opinions. It's just, it's like people say unpopular opinions just so they can get brownie points because it's never actually, if it's an actual unpopular opinion, that's the opinion that people shit on. You know what I mean? - That statement alone just like completely negated my Let's Fight series.

'Cause that's what that show is all about, taking unpopular opinions. - Yeah, I love that, but like, that's why I have such trouble with like making a next episode of that. Because every time I'm like, "Hey guys, give me your unpopular opinions on anime." The top replies are like, "Boku no Pico is bad."

I'm like, really? You don't fucking say mate. - Yeah, I remember like, 'cause like voice actors do a lot of those challenges on Twitter. They're like, "Hey man, like what's an unpopular voice acting opinion?" And it was like, "You know, I think hard work matters the most." I mean, stuff like that. And it's like, what do you mean? That isn't an, what's even an opinion? That's genuinely good advice. What do you mean, like just do the thing.

- What's unpopular about it? - That's like the level of like, yeah, I don't know man. It's what happens. Twitter is weird, man. Especially when you're in like communities on Twitter that's like creative stuff. 'Cause I love watching artists Twitter is my favorite.

- Artist Twitter is like watching trash TV to me. It's like, you can just grab the popcorn and it's like watching 90 day fiance or something, you know? It's like the amount of tea that is spilled on like artist Twitter. - Bro, it's great.

- It's more tea than the fucking Americans threw into the water when like they gained independence, man. My fucking God. - I don't know why, but it's, why is it almost always written in lowercase? It's like, it's like never, it's never proper punctuation. They're just like, let's just make it as lowercase as possible. Fucking seven, seven tweet thread. And it's just like, it's just shit that you could have summed up into just one tweet. - Yeah, there's a lot of funny ones.

I love it as well when it's like people just artists are like giving advice to each other and they're just like, they all like repeat the same stuff. And it's always interesting sometimes because there'll be like, yeah, you should charge people for your art. And I'm like, is this like not known? Like I should charge you for work? Like what? Well, apparently it's pretty common. I mean, you see the messages on like for exposure, right? That Twitter account where for exposure is a Twitter account. People like ask people to do things for exposure, which is very funny.

- Is that an unpopular opinion you just gave? - Doing work for free. - That artists should get paid? - I wouldn't do an unpopular take right now. - You should get paid for your work. - Don't counsel me for this, but artists should get paid for their work. - To be fair though, I joke on that, but a lot of voice actors, when they start out, they'll spend all their money on the new stuff and then they'll be like, "Yeah, yeah, I'll do your commercial for free."

'Cause it's different with artists and I think voice actors, 'cause voice actors, you get credits. You need credits. So it's like a race. Everyone's just devaluing themselves 'cause they're like, "Yeah, I'll do your Kellogg's commercial for $2 and a Kit Kat bar. That's fair. That seems good. My name's on the credits there, right?" - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think that there is a balance that should be taken because there is value in,

I mean, that's how we make our money, right? It's literally, we are monetizing clout. That is the modern day. - We are clout chasers as an occupation. - But like, yeah, go on. - No, no, but like, I get, you know, artists should definitely be paid and you definitely have a skillset, but there's also building up your personal branding as well, which you have to worry about. - Well, that's the problem, right? Is that so many artists starting out, they don't see themselves as a brand

- Yeah, exactly. - Because of that honest mentality, right? They're not like, "Oh no, I'm just doing it because I like drawing. I don't want to make this a profession." But then they make one piece where it's really popular and getting shared fucking everywhere. And then suddenly they're like,

- Actually I'm a brand, you're stealing. - Yeah, 'cause I've seen the exact opposite of like talented artists who just don't know how to charge here where you have like an artist who has like two drawings on their portfolio or something and are charging like ridiculous amounts of money. And it's just like, come on, there is a balance that needs to be taken here. - Right. - Or yeah, my favorite is when they're like, I've worked with some artists before and like, great, you know, it's all good.

And it's all reasonable, all the prices seem fair. And then I'm like, oh yeah, it's like for like commercial use or whatever. And they're like, oh, you're like selling it? And then they might try and figure out like, okay, you make this much money, it's now worth $10,000 for this piece. It's like, what? What do you mean? What? No, what? Okay.

- I'm pretty sure on your website it said $20 for a head shot. - Looks of industry standard rates. That ain't right. Okay, well, I'm not Pepsi. - Which is basically the Fiverr environment, right? How is it like working with people on, how do you like,

- How do you know how much you're worth and how to sell yourself on Fiverr? - That's tough, right? Because I think on Fiverr, it's inherently people like devalue themselves, but there are people on Fiverr who are charging like $500 for like- - For like $5 a month. - For honestly what is like really bad quality. But then the thing is right on Fiverr, at least for, I can only speak for voice actors, 'cause I've hired a lot of voice actors on Fiverr. And like voice actors on Fiverr, there's like,

$5 is like you get a very wide variety of like skill. You go all the way from headset mic, 'cause Fiverr doesn't, there's no checks. There's no one on Fiverr being like, "Yeah, you seem like a voice actor. "You're good to go champ." It's like, "Oh, you have something that your PC recognizes "as an audio recording device? "You're good to go."

- Tyler One fucking heads up the microphone all the way. - I've heard people with worse quality microphones than Tyler One screaming, that are charging like $20 with commercial rights as an option. And I'm like, what? What commercial? How do you not know what like a good microphone is, but you know that you should be charging for commercial rights? Like these two things are like, come on. But then Fiverr does like scummy things as well. Like Fiverr takes cuts from like the tips and Fiverr also like,

- I don't like personally that Fiverr charges extra for higher quality audio files. I just think you should just send a WAV file, right? Or high quality MP3. - So people just sending MP3s and I'm like fucking putting the WAV behind jail or something. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I'm like, why don't do that? Just give me the fucking WAV file. Why would you not do that? That's like different to high quality and low quality. It doesn't matter. But the point is- - I didn't know fucking the voice acting industry had DLC now. Jesus Christ. That's literally DLC. The WAV expansion. - You want the ray tracing voice acting pack add on? Like you gotta fucking pay $5 extra. But then there's like, there's people on Fiverr who charge like, you know, who charge industry rates. And I don't think,

Fiverr given the, like, Fiverr shouldn't be charging industry rates in my opinion. - No. - 'Cause it's like not really where you should be hiring, industry shouldn't be hiring on Fiverr and the ones that do, I think should be kind of like, you know, we won't get into that. - Yeah. - Never had that experience myself. But yeah, no, I mean, it's difficult and Fiverr voice actors, just listen to their audio. You'll know if they're worth it. - Yeah, it's not just Fiverr audio, it's Fiverr like- - Everything. - Everything, every creative,

job you can think of. 'Cause the way I feel about Fiverr is that it should be, it's a good testing ground. 'Cause you get to such a wide range and I feel like it would be a good place to build up your portfolio. Because from what I see,

- It doesn't really matter where you had your education or whatever, what we really care about, 'cause most of the time we are the clients now, we're buying the service. We just care about your portfolio. That's the thing that's most important to me. - Yeah, exactly. I'm like, show me your work. - It's a good place to build up your portfolio as well and also get paid. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I mean, I used to recommend to voice actors, if no one's hiring you, you don't know where to start, don't go to one of these websites that costs like $400 a year.

to sign up to, 'cause you're not gonna make your money back. - Yeah, like for example, if we're hiring video editors, like we can get emails about people who are qualified for X, Y, and Z. But at the end of the day, we're most likely gonna pick people who have worked on anime videos, right? 'Cause we know they have experience working in that fucking field. - Or who like actually know us and like watch our videos and stuff. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. So that's the thing, it's more about knowing

knowing your target audience and knowing what your personal branding is. And it's less important about what you put on your CV. 'Cause we don't really care about CVs that much. - I don't give a shit what school you went to. Is this shit good or not? That's all there is to it. - There's lots of video editors out there. It's just a matter of- - I normally go to like Fiverr or somewhere for like if I need something, like one off and like fast.

Like I just like, because other times it's a bit of a pain to search around. - Have you used Fiverr other than in your Fiverr videos? - Yeah, I've used it. I used it for, where did I use it?

if I need something composed, 'cause I don't know any composers. - Right. - Like on making music. - I go from knowing zero composers to Kevin Penkin. - I can't go, "Oi, Kevin, mate, I got this video idea. "You should just compose me a track for it." Like, so I'll go to someone, I'm like, I'm normally like, "Make like a MIDI track of this." Or make like a version of this. It's normally very basic like thing. Or I'm like, "Copy this thing." Yeah, I mean, I think I've had like,

- I've got some emotes on my Twitch drawn there. - Oh really? - Yeah, there's a lot of Twitch stuff on there. - Yeah, well I mean there's a lot of artists on Fiverr, right? - Yeah, but there's fuck, oh my God, there's so many. - Yeah, well, quote unquote artists. - Is that where you get your Twitch stuff? 'Cause I've actually been looking to

try and like upgrade my Twitch presentation because my Twitch presentation is fucking shit because I've never given a shit about streaming before. - Problem is on Fiverr, it's tailored towards like, I think what the like general audience of people who are looking to get into live streaming would want. So it's all like very gamer looking.

- You know what I mean when I say that, right? Like 90% of the Fiverr stuff for like, targeted like Twitch, like Twitch overlays all looks like something that is an application to the FaZe Clan. Like it doesn't look like- - It's like the default ones that you get on like Streamlabs. - Yeah, which is why I think I ended up hiring someone who I know that did a lot of this stuff and who watched some of my stuff. So they were kind of familiar with

- I'm thinking to update mine as well. And I met an artist recently who probably gonna get to hire because yeah, the same thing is like, cause right now I'm using like a default one. I'm just like, it's probably, probably personalize it a little more. - Yeah, I want to go my personal. - Just to like stand out a little bit. - How'd you guys find artists? You just DM people on Twitter? - I just tweet out or like ask on live streams. I'm like, hey guys, I like need something. Can someone tell me like where I go? - A lot of them actually I find through like them doing fan art.

- Okay. - Yeah, so like the person I'm probably gonna be hiring soon is Rocket Cat who did like a bunch of like drawings with me and Chris, the journey across Japan stuff. And it was really fucking cute. So I asked her, I was like, "Can you do some Twitch stuff?" And she's like, "Okay." So just asking around really. - I have like no idea what art is worth. So whatever they give me, if it's not ridiculous, I'm like, "That sounds good. Yeah, sure, fuck it. I'll pay that, whatever man." - I'm way more comfortable being like, "What do you want?"

versus like, I'll give you $15. - There's always a debate, right? Is it you as the buyer should ask or should the person, like the client say, "Hey, this is what I'm worth." 'Cause it frustrates me when I hear like, "What's your budget?" And I'm like, "I don't have a fucking budget. I just wanna know what the worth is." - What are you worth? - Yeah, I'm like, "What's your hourly rate? You tell me." Like, I don't know. I understand that that's in place for people who can't maybe afford a lot of things, but I'm like, "I don't know. Whatever you think it's worth, tell me, I'll pay it."

- It's like a fucking standoff, right? You're waiting for the first one to say a number. It's just like, how much is this worth? What's your budget? I fucking hate that debate, right?

- I get it though from the artist perspective because they're probably like, oh, if I say something that's a little too high, then I'm afraid I might lose the client. - Right, but that's when you can negotiate, right? You can be like, ah, I think that's a little too high. Or was it maybe something like this? - Yeah, but a lot of them starting off don't know when you pay. - True, true. - I was afraid at first as well. Like when I'd get sponsorship opportunities, they'd be like, what do you want for it? And I'm like, uh, fuck.

- I don't know. How much do you have? - Have either of you been ever good at like bartering or whatever it's called? - I love doing it.

- Like I've learned to do it just 'cause my dad was really good at it. - Right. - I fucking suck at it, man. This is why I love Japan where everything is labeled and priced. 'Cause whenever I go to Thailand, you just play this dance around everything you buy, man. 'Cause it is a fucking dance where you're just like, oh, okay, so you're gonna charge me that? Well, I'm gonna like say a price that's 10 times lower. - In Australia, it's like a dance that you will only dance if you decide to enter the ring.

It's like, you can stand back and just kind of be like, oh, this is how much you want? All right, and put your wallet out. But then you can also be like, hold on, let me roll up my sleeves real quick. Let's sound the baby, come on. Because like my dad was so fucking, 'cause my dad has been like an IT salesman for the past third years. So this man, I don't know how the fuck he did it, but I remember like when I was in like,

high school or something. And I wanted to buy my first guitar, like a proper electric guitar. And he bought me like this like really nice Epiphone guitar, which is worth like two grand or something. And he looked at it and he's like, so this is just the guitar, right? And the guy's like, yeah.

"Can I have a chat with you, mate?" And he took the dude back behind the counter into a room. And he's like, "Hold on, son, I'm just gonna-" - Did you fucking beat him up? - I don't know, I don't know. - Why did he have to go in the back? Why couldn't he do it at the counter? - I don't know, I don't know. But he took him to the back, he's like, "All right, let me talk." And then I think maybe 10 minutes later, he came out. - It's free, it's free. - No, he came out 10 minutes- - You black guy.

He came out 10 minutes later and he's like, "All right, so the guitar now is 1500." And he threw in a free amp. And I'm like, "What did you say? What did you do? How did you do it?" He's like, "I just talked to him, mate." I'm like, "No, no, no, no, no." If it was that easy, then everyone would be getting deals. It's not just a matter of, "Oh, I just talked to him." - What did you say to him? Everyone can talk. - He'll never know.

- Yeah, I was like, what did you say? - Did you do a fucking Jedi mind trick? That's technically fucking talking, isn't it? - Did you like inception, like plant the seed? He's just like, it's 1500 now. - The first time I ever saw like bartering happen, I was like, my mind was blown. I was like, wait, you can go against the price that's written? - Yeah, you can do that? - That's an option? 'Cause I was in like, we were on a school trip to New York and it was like the first time our school ever like went to a different country. And I really wanted- - You guys go to New York for school? - Yeah, dude, it was chaos. It was pure fucking chaos. - Holy shit. - How old were you?

- 16, I think. - Oh my God. - Wow. - It was an absolute mess, bro. - Fucking, the only school trips I went to was just like France at most. That was the furthest I've ever gone to a school trip. - That was like the bougiest one. And for some reason for one year, they never did it again. I think they realized it was a horrible mistake. They took us to New York. It was a fucking mess, bro. It was awful. It was like, I mean, if I was a teacher there, I would have hated it. I had a great time, but it was, I remember it was very expensive, but we stayed in like really fucking sketchy motels. I can talk about it more after the story, but we were,

we were basically like, I really wanted converse. Cause obviously when you're like 15, 16, you see the shit on like American TV. You're like, yo,

So I went to a store and my friend was with me and he was only, he was in the year above me. And I was like, man, I want to get these, but I've only got like 30 bucks left and they're 40 bucks. He was like, oh, I'll ask him if we can do it for 30. He's like 17, I'm bartering with him. And then eventually he said, I'll give you for 30 if you give me a $2 tip. And I'm like, is that okay? Are you allowed to do that? I don't know if he's the owner or what, but that's what he got it down to. And I was so impressed that when I went home to the UK, I tried to do it, but immediately all the stores are like,

- No. - Wait, what store was this? - I'd go to like, in America or in the UK? - In America. - Was it like an official store? - I think it was like in a mall and it was like an independent store maybe. I think that's why I got away with it. So I went to like a fucking supermarket in the UK, go to the thing and I- - Go to fucking Tesco. - Five pounds is a little too much for this meal deal. - I'm sorry, you're selling me this Kellogg's fucking Krispy Kreme for like how much? - I'll be like, you know,

- It's a little, three pounds is a little expensive. - Yeah. - Could you do 250? - Yeah, I'll do 250. - I'll give you 250. She's like, "No, no." And I'm like, "Oh, okay, fuck." And then I never tried it again for a while. But I like going to places where you can do it. 'Cause I like trying to do it. I don't often- - I don't know how like,

I probably could do it if I really wanted to, but I'm always just so fucking afraid to do it as well. Cause I don't know how- - You're like, "Um, no." - Yeah, I don't know how, cause with that kind of stuff, if you're not coming in with confidence, you're basically fucked, right? - Yeah. - Exactly. - There's no way you're gonna win it. - You need to come in with like a winning mentality. - You gotta come in with like,

- The biggest dick energy. - I'm like, I can do it. It just takes so much fucking energy. But whenever you're in a place in like Thailand, that's like 90% of the stores you go to. And you just want a store where you pay the price that they originally asked for and just not have to like do this mini game every time.

I remember I watched like the, I think I mentioned him on the YouTube episode. He does videos about Prague and he covers like taxi scams. I was in Prague and I had a taxi and I was like, this is like in the simulations. This is exactly what he spoke about. 'Cause they were trying to charge him what he said was being overcharged. I remember I was with my mate in a taxi. I'm like, no, no, I've seen the YouTube video. I've got this. And I was like, I'm not paying that. That's too much. And eventually we got it like half the price. It was like, you're supposed to be like, he charged like 50 euros for like the equivalent in check money for like,

I'm like, it was supposed to be like half that. It was like only like a 20 minute, like 15 minute journey. I was like, no, I've seen the simulations. I know this is right. And there's YouTube channels of dudes who go around India, like bartering.

- Yeah. - I can imagine bartering in India is just like next level. That's like expert mode, man. - It's literally, it looks like a reality TV show with every purchase. The guy's like, "I'm walking away. I'm going. I'm not getting in your taxi." And then they're like fucking following them. "No, no, no, no, please, please, please, please, sir."

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and I wanted Mountain Dew. - Wait, did they not have Mountain Dew in UK? - They do, but it's not like, it's the stuff without like the green stuff in it because that stuff's illegal in the UK. - Is it? - Our Mountain Dew just tastes like Sprite. - What? - We have it, but it's not that popular and it doesn't taste like Mountain Dew at all. - Really? - It's not proper Mountain Dew. - Wait, what the fuck is in Mountain Dew that makes it illegal in the UK? - The stuff that makes it super green.

- Really? - Yeah, 'cause I'm pretty sure like all the sodas in the UK, you're not allowed to use corn syrup either.

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But Twinkies, Twinkies,

- Twinkies are shit. Twinkies taste like ass. - Why did you think it was good? - Because in all the TV shows, they made Twinkies look amazing. And then I had it and I'm like, yeah. - From what TV show? - Maybe like "Zombieland" or something actually. 'Cause he's obsessed with them in "Zombieland." - Oh yeah. - Then I also learned that they were like, can survive nukes or something. I don't think that's true at all. But in "Family Guy," that's what it is. - High survival for you.

- I wonder how much Twinkies paid Zombieland to promote. - That was fantastic advertising. - That was like five head advertising right there. - I went there as a teenager and I fucking wanted Twinkies. - This shitty spongy thing that you put into your mouth, survival food. - Yeah. - During an apocalypse. - My God. So like I'm prone to getting like nosebleeds as well until I got my nose cauterized, which is like when you get like fucking burn it.

So I was getting, I used to, if it got like even remotely hot, I would get nosebleeds. - Really? - So when I went to America, it was just too hot 'cause it was in the summer and I was just everyday had nosebleeds. - How hot does it get in New York in the summer? - It's pretty damn hot. - Pretty humid. - Yeah, I remember I went to New York once in the summer and it was like pretty hot and humid. It's like in the thirties. - I don't know why I thought because it's so cold in the winter, I would assume it got like quite cool in the summer. - It was great though 'cause any of the like really boring places, I would just be like,

Come on, come on. And then I'd get to go get ice cream or something. The staff would go take me out. 'Cause we were like going through like one museum that was really fucking boring. I can't remember what it was as a kid. - Oh, it was the big museum in New York. - No, the Smithsonian was pretty cool. 'Cause that has like loads of exhibits and stuff. And there was some other museum they took us to, which was like, maybe it was like the, some CIA thing that was like books. And I was like, I have no interest in this. But I remember- - I have no interest, Pat.

- They just like let us go around Times Square on our own. - Wow, really? - Yeah. - That could have gone horrendously wrong. - Yeah, that sounds really dangerous. - Like Times Square is like, I'm not even- - I wouldn't let my 16 year old kid go. - I don't even feel safe during the day in Times Square, let alone at night. - I don't feel safe as an adult there, let alone like a 16 year old kid. - Yeah, and I remember this is like,

One of the kids came back, right? I need a bunch of CDs. And we were like, why do you have CDs? And he's like, oh, well, the guys kept coming up to me and telling me if I wanted to hear them spit. So I kept having to buy them for $5. And I was like, you know, the dudes come up to you like, yo, he's my mixtape. He was paying every time for everyone that came up to him.

- So it's just all these like shitty mixtapes. - Yeah. 'Cause I can't remember what I did. I think I just went around all the stores and looked at it and be like, wow, this is so strange. And would go in like M&M world and be like, wow, I can't afford any of this. 'Cause it would be like $10 for a pack of M&Ms. And I'm like, wow, I'm really broke, huh? My parents really didn't give me enough money. - Can't even afford M&Ms. - No, no.

I remember as well, our hotel, right? They put us in like, I think it was like the Sun Inn. What is that called? It's like the Comfort Inn or something. Is that what it's called? - The Sun. - It's got like a sun logo. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I think it's called Comfort Inn. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And I remember we were all a bad,

I'm baffled because the only thing they had for breakfast was like burgers that could be microwaved. - What? - And it was disgusting. And we were all like, yeah, American food. We ate it with like, oh, American food. - It's like some White Castle shit. - Yeah, it was gross. I remember as well that we had to get the bus everywhere and it was just the worst 'cause they tried to fit

they use public buses like private coaches. - The more you're talking, the more I'm realizing who decided to go on a school trip to New York? - I think it must've been one teacher that really fucking wanted to do it. - It makes sense that they didn't do it the year after. - So we would go on like the public buses, like the whole, like 40 kids would go on a normal public bus that was already full. - That sounds terrifying. - Yeah, and then all the dudes were like topless on the bus and we were like, oh God, oh God.

I'm in danger. And then when the teachers would all go to bed, all the fucking kids just went out at night. And we were in, because we were obviously, we were like not a rich school at all. So we were in like the really sketchy part of New York. - But you were rich enough to go to New York though. - Not really. It was, I remember the whole trip for like four or five days with flights and five hotels was like 800 pounds and everything was taken for like, sorry.

- I guess that has to compensate for the flights. - Very budget, very budget. So the hotels we stayed in were like not good at all. - Were they like in the ghetto? - Bro, we were like hella, imagine it, you got like 40 just like white school kids that have no idea what's going on. Then they break out at night and they're in like a ghetto and it's like, oh God. - Were you guys at like Harlem or something?

- I can't remember where we were, but we were very far away. It was a 40 minute bus journey into town. - That could have been anywhere sketch. - Yeah, I think we were- - Like Queens maybe. - I think we might've been around somewhere like that. It was definitely, I remember that, I remember having these,

'Cause you would see on the movies that New York was like, "Yeah, man, it's bustling, it's great." And I was like, "Why is where we're staying, everything is boarded up and dirty? What's up with that?" - Because the Hustley Bustley is like two blocks in Manhattan. - Yeah. - 'Cause I distinctly remember, I really didn't like New York and I liked DC because when we went to DC, it was really nice.

And I remember that 'cause I was just scared when we were in New York. - That was my first impression going to New York as well. I also went when I was a bit older. So I was like 22,

- I feel like when you're 16 and 22, the way you see the world is completely different. - I don't know, I still had this, like, you know, the American film image of New York. And I remember my first time going there, I remember thinking, man, there's a lot of street corners that I've never seen in any films that look pretty fucking dodgy. - This is where like Spider-Man's parents got killed. - That's the thing, when I went to New York like four or five years ago, like it was really good as long as your neck was like above, like,

landscape, right? It's just like, wow, these buildings look really good. And the moment you look down and just like, oh, that's a lot of trash. - Yeah, because that was my first impression. There is a lot of trash that just has never appeared on any film. - There is a mountain of trash on this corner that is like reaching like traffic lights level. - Like my God, going to Chinatown for the first time,

- It don't hit different, it smell different, man. - This is this episode 33 where we clown on America. - I remember, actually I remember the stream yesterday. I had a person come in being like, "Why do you guys hate America?

- We don't hate America. - We don't hate America. - I love how absurd America is. - The way I talk about Americans is like the way I like to shit on my cousins. You know what I mean? It's like the distant cousin that I just like to talk shit about. - We don't hate on America. We just like making fun of America. There's a big difference. - It's because Europe's boring. There's nothing weird about it. America is weird.

- To a tea. And that's why I love it. - Yeah, no, it comes from a place of love. You know what I mean? This is how us Brits show like, we talked shit to our like mates. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's how I see it. - Yeah, they're like in it, oh, your teeth are shit. Go and drink some tea. Like, wait, why are you making fun of America?

- You call your mates cunts and you call cunts mate. That's how it works. - True, true. Would you ever live in America? Have I asked this before on the podcast? - I don't think you've asked me on the podcast. - Yeah, true. I think I've asked you personally. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I can't remember what your answer was. That's why I'm asking you. - I mean like, I've given it- - Well, yeah, 'cause you're dating. Oh yeah, 'cause you're both. - Yeah, yeah. - With Americans. - Yeah.

- Yeah, we hate Americans. We hate America, we hate Americans so much so that our significant other is from that country. - Our Americans. - I don't know, the way Sydney talks to me about food sometimes with like a nostalgia, I'm like disgusting.

- I've considered living in America for maybe like a year, just like give it a go. - Like it's an asylum. I would go there to visit, you know? - Yeah. No, for real, I don't hate visiting. I love visiting America, but I don't like, I don't know, just difference in personality, at least with me and like way of living is like, it's very different to what I'm used to. - I love how open everyone is.

- I do love how open everything is. Open everyone is. I feel like the biggest thing I would have to get to is like, I like feeling safe. - Yeah, legit, legit. - The only thing stopping me from living in America is the fact that even during the day, I don't feel safe. - Yeah, like it's so weird for me where you can be in some of the most famous places in the world in America and you just can't walk anywhere.

I like walking to places, you know what I mean? - Japan is all about walking everywhere. - I feel like I have to recalibrate my brain in order to travel to places in America, because I forget that you have to just drive everywhere and just walking isn't normalized because it's just not safe. - Like even when you're in the middle of LA, right? You'd be like, "Oh, I'll just go to the Starbucks "that's just around the corner." It's just going to the next town in an RPG and yet on the street corner there's a level 100

- I mean, standing there being like, you gonna come past me? - When I was in San Francisco, man, I felt like just walking back to my hotel at 2:00 AM felt like a cyberpunk mission, dude. - Yeah, honestly, it's scary. - Like the fucking music was playing in my ears. - The fact that you said you walked back

- At 2:00 AM, just like already scares me. - Yeah, that's scary. - Okay, I legit have never been sketched walking somewhere. - Yeah, right? - I was in right in the middle of like the financial district in San Francisco. I was like, fuck, I think I've mentioned this before on the podcast as well, but yeah, that was fucking scary. I'm fucking scared. I'm scared thinking about it. - That's the only thing that's stopping me from living in America. - Everyone I know from San Francisco has had their car broken into.

- I've heard so many weird stories about like some of the stories that Maylin says, 'cause Maylin is from San Fran, where it's one of, it's like, it's so counterintuitive for me where this is the place where it's got like one of like the highest cost of living in the world. - You pay like a million dollars a year to live there. - Like a millionaire is considered like poor there. You know what I mean?

That's kind of the place we're talking about. Yet it's a place where the cost of living is so high yet it seems like you still need to worry about some of the stuff where I feel like if I'm earning a million dollars, I wouldn't need to worry about it. Like why would I need to worry? Like why would I need to pay this much and worry about living in a neighborhood where my car could get broken into? Yeah, it feels like everyone who I've met from San Fran has had their something stolen or something robbed. - They talk about that as if they got like a parking ticket. It's like, oh shit.

- Got it again. Oh well. - When Meilyne was talking about how she has to have like one headphone in just in case there's someone behind her to like take her purse or something. I'm like, what the fuck? It's like, why would you, how do you feel safe living in a city like that or a country like that for that matter? - This is why I'm convinced the Cybertruck's being made. It's purely so it can withstand criminals in San Francisco breaking in. - Yeah, right. - Everyone's gonna be in like fucking like armored trucks in San Francisco, but they'll still find a way to break into it.

- Yeah. - Right. But that's the thing, the only places I feel safe in America are like the super tourist heavy places, right? So like the piers in San Francisco or like, you know, fucking Vegas strip, right? - Yeah, UK is somewhere in the middle, I think. Like you can't really like leave your laptop on the dashboard really. - No, no.

- I would argue though, that's like other than Japan, there's not a lot of countries where you can do that. - No, no, no. But like in the UK, I'd leave like my headphones on the chair. I don't really mind risking that. I'm like, whatever. - Nah, I wouldn't even do that. - It depends who you are, London? No. Other, like where I'm from, Wales? Yeah, it's whatever. - Well, yeah, because that's countryside, right? - What are they gonna do? Run away with the sheep? Like whatever.

- Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's yeah. I don't know. It's weird. I really want to, I've always said this. I've always wanted to live in America for a year. - I would like to live in America for- - I wouldn't mind trying it out. - Yeah. - I think if I moved from Japan, I think I would like to try and get-

- I'm still like, because me and Sydney wanna move to America for a bit because like her family's there and you know, she wants to be close to her family for a while. It's just finding the perfect place that I will actually wanna live in for a while. 'Cause I don't know where I could see myself settling down in America. - Because like, you know, for YouTubers, it's like the number one spot is always LA, but fuck living in LA.

- Sorry if you're from LA. - No, it's not about LA, it's about LA YouTubers, man. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - LA YouTubers are a different beast, man. - They are a different breed. - I feel like there's literally just two scenes on YouTube. YouTube?

- An LA YouTube. - LA YouTube, yeah. - It's totally different. And you know when someone's living in LA, I swear, 'cause when you talk to them, you're like, "Bro, you're just in another reality. "You play by different rules." - You sound brainwashed. - But I get it, 'cause when you're there, you feel it. You feel like you're in a different place when you're in LA and you feel like everything you do somehow has a bigger weight to it, I think. I think that's what they think. - Yeah, everything's like brand fucking,

- Like we were talking about cloud chasing before. LA is like the epicenter of cloud chasing, I feel. Like everyone's out to get some cloud. - Yeah, I feel dirty when I'm there, when I'm talking to people. - I'm just like, dude, I'm just like trying to get just a Starbucks, bro. Like why are we talking about how many subs you have? Like, I don't care.

- Did you see like that donkey video where he like did a commentary over the 100 Thieves one. And I'm just like, - Oh the house. - Yeah, the 100 Thieves house. - 100 Thieves is an e-sports organization made by Nadeshot who used to be a YouTuber. But yeah, he started one, right? So he has his own little, you wanna go tell the rest of it? - Yeah, so he basically commentates over like this house tour and it is like,

- The way Dunkey commentates it, it is basically like you're going into a different fucking world. 'Cause what was like the room, like the fucking- - Tortino's- - Tortino's- - Fortnite training room. - Fortnite training room or something. I'm just like, this sounds like a, like you say it out of context and this sounds like a dystopian nightmare. - Every room has a sponsor in the building. So when you mention I'm in this room, you have to say like, I'm in the monster energy gaming room.

- I want that for trash taste. - And this is our Del Taco's toilet.

- I'm in the Tenga recording room. - Dude, I'll fucking have Tenga sponsor us. - Tenga coffee room. - Yes, yes. - We should probably explain what a Tenga is to the audience, I guess. - Oh yeah, 'cause you two just recently got one, right? - We got a joke gift from a friend of ours who gave us a Tenga. - A Tenga is just a branded flashlight. - A flashlight. - No, a Japanese flashlight. - It's a high class flashlight. - Flashlights, when I see them, they make me look uncomfortable.

Sorry, when I see them, I feel uncomfortable. Like I see it and I'm like, why does it look like that? Why does it look like Donkey Kong's lips?

- That's fucking disgusting. What is that? It's so gross. - I've never heard anyone refer to a Tenga as donkey. - No, no, no, no. - It's like the stereotypical flashlight you see. Anyone would want to stick their dick in it. It looks disgusting. - Yeah, that's true. - How horny you gotta be to do that? You know what, I wanna know. - Because the thing is, no one's using like a flashlight and an owner horn. They're actually looking at it to be like, oh yeah, I'm like basically fucking a pussy now. You know what I mean?

- Like nobody cares what it looks like. - That's so gross. - I don't know how Tenga managed to make it look normal. - No, they make it look like a- - Like an ornament. - Yeah, like a sleek thing. If you come to Japan, go check it out. They're in like Don Quixote, like in a lot of stores. - Yeah, so there's like different types of Tenga. There's like, I remember the first time I heard of it was just the Tenga eggs, which- - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. - How do those work? - I've never seen that.

- You've never seen them? It's like, you can get like a half dozen or like a dozen of them. And it's like in an actual egg carton. - So yeah, they sell actual egg cartons and there's these Tengger eggs, which are actually like, I've never used one before. - Where do you put your dick in that? - So how does it work? - So you have to like crack it open and then it kind of stretches out.

- So it's basically just like- - So wait, wait, you literally just crack it open on the side. - Yeah, you kind of just fucking do this and it cracks on the side. And then basically like the flesh-like part is kind of like squashed in. So you like stretch it out and then you kind of just wrap it up. Don't ask me how I know that. - You know what's one thing I've never understood? People who jack off in their socks. What's up with that? - Yeah. That's the thing like-

- I don't know anyone who jacks off in a sock. - No, you actually hear about it. - I hear it all the time, right? - I thought that was just an urban legend. - There was somebody in my university who did it. He would jack off into, he had socks specifically for jacking off into. - Why would you give your dick a carpet burn like that? Like how is that fucking comfortable at all? - For some reason, the thought of using tissue is too much effort or getting any- - That's like rubbing your bare dick on the carpet, right? It's like, it just sounds like it hurts. - Is that how furries happen?

- That's the first step of Yiffy. - That's how you get a taste for the fur. - Oh my God. - You can't go back. - But you hear it all the time, right? It's like the whole like, oh, crusty socks kind of thing. I'm just like, ha ha. That's a funny fictional thing that never happens. - Yeah, so the guy in my one, he would use them, like he would use his dirty socks that he could, you know when you go to bed, you take off your socks, right? So he would just throw them in his room. Then when he was gonna do it, he would grab one and then he was like, well, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna wash it anyway. I'm like, so wait, you're telling me.

You tell me, let me get this straight. You might've played like rugby. You might've gone running. You would use that sock and then- - Dude, he literally gave himself his own foot job. - Athlete's foot. - He gave himself a self foot job basically. - Yeah, but like a stinky- - Sweaty, stinky foot job. - I'm so sorry to the listeners who are grossed out by this. Yeah, but I just couldn't believe it. And I've asked people like, do you do this? Is this a thing? Do you know anyone? And like, I know people who know people who do it. And I'm like, why are you friends with them?

- What's wrong with you? - Yeah, but what if they're doing like a, oh yeah, friend of a friend of mine. - I've heard people who have found out like their brothers or like the sister found their brother doing it. I've heard that. - Oh, that's the worst. - Yeah, that's gross. Walking in your brother, you see his like socks. Why are they crusty? - Oh my God. - I just don't understand how they, 'cause people, I've heard of people as well using the same sock more than once without cleaning it.

- Yeah. - Do they want to get like a fucking UTI? - I think, yeah. - That's what- - Is this like the speed run any percent to like a sexual transmitted disease? Like I don't understand. - Chlamydia any percent. - This is like Victorian era syphilis simulator. Like what is this? - At which point was a tissue just too like complicated to figure out? - Get a box. They're not hard to put on any surface. They're flat, you know, just-

Or if you can't even do that, just roll a toilet paper. That will also suffice. - I just don't understand. - Aside from fucking apparently wanking into socks, which is what we're talking about now, do you actually know anyone who owns a fucking pocket pussy or like- - Like a non-tenger. - Yeah, like a non-tenger. - I feel like people don't admit it.

I feel like there's probably way more than I realized. - I don't know anyone who's like, I- - 'Cause they're not telling you guys. - Is it just a thing that guys just don't tell each other? Or is it just a thing that guys just don't buy? I don't know. - I think there's a certain shame in admitting that you come into a plastic toy.

- Yeah. - I feel as well, like maybe we're just hanging out with like not those kinds of people. You know what I mean? - I think it's also because like you said, they look fucking ugly and they look fucking weird. Like there's no way that your mom opens a drawer and sees like an owner hole or like a pocket pussy and you explain that shit away.

- To me, in my mind, it has to be, there's two graphs, right? There's effort to clean it and enjoyment I get out of it. - Are you min-maxing pocket pussies right now? - Because the problem is, right, is that I don't want to clean it. I don't want anything to do with it when I'm done. I want it to be done, undusted. You get it in a tissue, you throw that shit away. It's gone, it's out of my mind. Worst case scenario, if I'm really desperate for lube for some reason, I'm sure I can just lube up my hand, right? But I don't want to make a mess.

That is like my priority here. I just want to get this over with. I'm not trying to have like, I'm not lighting candles, you know, scenting the air. Like I don't give a fuck. I'm just trying to get it done. - Turn on the mood light. - Like I don't understand like who,

it's that enjoyable to them that they're willing to go then to the kitchen, have this shameful thing and just like, "All right, I'm gonna clean out my jizz." Like, I don't wanna touch that. I don't wanna fucking do anything with it. I get disgusted when I get a little bit on my hand. I'm like, "Oh no, that won't do it all. Get that off." - Some people just don't care, man. - It's just weird for me because it seems like it's socially acceptable for girls to have whatever sex toy they want, right? And I mean, they sell it on high street stores. Like in England, we have Ann Summers where you can just go in there and- - I get it.

- Yeah. - For a guy, it's like you can do it in like two seconds, right? Get it done. If you really need to, right? For a girl, I guess it takes longer, right? It's a bit harder. - For the girl, you actually have to like light the candles and turn on the mood lights, right? - Yeah, but I also imagine like fingering yourself is probably, I wouldn't know. It's probably a little more difficult. I don't know, right? - I wouldn't know that the thumb is way harder than the pinky, no. - I wouldn't know. - Anyway. - This is getting way too graphic for this podcast. - Cut that, cut that, Buddha.

- Have you though? - What? Fingered myself? - Yeah. - No, what? - Yeah, me neither. - Okay, Joey, what the fuck? I'm guessing we're cutting this. - No. - Fuck. Where the fuck did that come from? - Are you admitting that you fingered yourself, Joey? - No! - Is there something you wanna tell us, Joey? - I said no! - I said no! - That's like the, have you ever? - We're all homies here. We're all homies here, Gary. - No, no, no, no, no. - I would never do that. - My homies don't like fingering.

- Joey like, "My stool broke one time, never been the same." - Yeah, I guess like coming to Japan, I am impressed by the fucking variety of sex toys. I mean, I see it way more often because you know, I'm fucking dating Sydney and it's her fucking job to review these different types of things. But man, they...

- They are so imaginative. - I unironically love going to just fucking, like there's one in Akihabara that I always go to called Love Mercy, I think it's called. And it's like under the bridge and it's like a four story fucking sex shop. - Oh yeah, and that's right in the middle of Akihabara, isn't it? - Right in front of the station. - It doesn't look like a adult store. - And like the fourth floor, like the top floor is like no females allowed. 'Cause like that's where all of like the guy toys and like the fucked up porn is.

And I was like, how bad could it be? So I went up there, I was like,

- Yeah, I mean, I'm allowed on this floor technically under the rules of the store, but I do not wanna be on this floor. - It feels illegal just being there, man. - I feel like I'm committing a felony. - Yeah, when you get up higher and then you see the sex dolls, the actual like, oh yeah. - They creep me the fuck out, bro. - And they're fucking expensive too. - Like 10 grand, right? - Yeah. Like the good quality ones. I'm like, what's the difference? - The thought of having to clean out,

- Like a fake person is so disgusting. - What is the maintenance cost on these fucking dolls, man? They must be more expensive to fucking maintain than just going out to a soap plant. - Yeah, but that's what I'm thinking. It's like, these things are so expensive. You're better off going to like a soap plant, you know, 10, 20 times. - I guess there's the shame, right?

I get it, it's a bit different, but I get it. I get it though. Like the financially it makes sense to go to a soap bar. - The shame? - The shame of having to go to a prostitute or something basically. - I think I'd rather do that than fucking buy a doll. - The shame of having someone look back at you and judge you as opposed to like looking at lifeless eyes that they can't judge.

- If other people wanna fucking do it, that's fine. I don't care. I can't do that, man. The shame would be too much for me. - I had a mate who couldn't go to any strip clubs 'cause he was just like, "Yeah, going to a strip club is just like looking at porn that can look back at you, man." - I've never been to a strip club and they always just seem weird. The idea of it, and it's sad 'cause everyone always tells me the food is normally the best part of it. - What?

- I would not order food at a strip club. - Can boys go to a strip club just to have like a five course delicate meal, man? - Why not? I would though. - It's like your friend is like, yo, I know this fucking great strip club, steaks are fucking bomb here. - Someone said like, I can't remember who it was, someone in America, they're like, yeah, dude, the wings were bomb.

And I'm like, yeah, in my mind, if any food would be good in a strip club, for some reason it would be wings. - At that point, does that mean you've just gone to too many strip clubs where you go there and there's just like naked girls dancing? You're like, no, no, no, no. Give me the wings. I want the wings. - I would pay for a YouTube series where someone is like very loudly in like a music blaring. He's like reviewing a strip club and the wings. I would pay good money for that.

- It's like review bra. - Yeah, like a report of the week in a strip club, like reviewing the wings. He's like, can you turn the music down a little bit? - It's like, please, out on the light. - I fear for what I don't know. I don't want to use any of these sex toys because I don't want to start liking them. 'Cause I feel like I'm just going to get more and more extravagant with it until the maintenance costs are through the roof. I'm happy with where I'm at right now.

Just beating my meat and just getting it done. - It's my own trusty hand. - It does the job. I don't need more than that. - That's why I'm afraid of trying something like VR porn. You know what I mean? Where it's just like, this is going- - What if I like it? - This is going an extra mile here. This is like, yeah, exactly. Like what if I like it? What if I experienced something new from this? I don't know. I don't want to, I'm in a happy relationship. - You recently bought a VR headset. - I bought it to play fucking games, okay?

- I wanna play Half-Life Index. - There is no way there is a part of you that is like, I gotta try this out. There is no way there isn't a part of you. - Of course there is, but like so? - I just don't like the idea of coming with a headset on. There's something about that that feels wrong. Like I'm wearing a big ass headset with these controllers and shit. Like I don't wanna fucking, are you kidding me?

- I can imagine just like you climax and like the post-nut shame must be on another level, right? 'Cause you just go- - You take the head-

- You've got the controllers and you're like, oh, this is where my life has left me now. - Beat Saber, okay. - I just, yeah, again, I feel like I don't need- - Actually, you just did a video on this, didn't you? Where you went to Illusion. - Yeah, yeah, I went to Illusion and played the VR porn games that they made. - It's fucking weird. Like, I don't know. I did like a safe for work one. It was barely safe for work. - If you were in the privacy of your home, could you not do it?

If I tried really hard, maybe. - What do you mean if you could try really hard? - If I was given like 30 minutes to myself, like maybe. - I'm sure I could manage to come to anything if I had 30 minutes. - That's what I'm saying. It's not the optimal thing I would use because it's like, I don't know. It was really fun to do because it's just so ridiculous.

but there is just so much about it that's just so jank. Where you're just like, oh, okay, I'm supposed to be lying down in this thing, but I'm also standing up. And if I look down, I just look into the guy's neck. I mean, it's just a bit weird. - That's the thing about VR porn, right? I mean, you have to be dedicated to this wank session. You know what I mean? There are so many steps you are putting on just to jack off. - What if the sensors get like, they're like, stop working mid-wank. Finish, finish.

- I guess so. - It's not exactly a casual wank, is it? - It's ranked competitive wank. - It's a fucking side quest, dude. - I guess the thought I had was I've watched the least amount of anime this year and I feel like a lot of people have watched- - You mean last year? - Oh, sorry, fucking. Last year. - Hey.

- I've watched the least amount of anime last year and I feel like a lot of people in the anime fandom have, right? - Yeah. - And I feel like the community now is evolving from just being like, there's a difference between now being an anime fan and a weeb and we touched on this earlier, but I realized this when hanging out with Connor, how much of a normie Connor is compared to both me and Joey?

- What are you saying? - We're saying you're a normie. - How does it feel for you hanging out with people like us, I guess, or? - What do you mean people like you? - We're a different breed, apparently. - Why do you think I'm a normie, first of all? - Okay, because- - You don't care about anime as much as we do. - I care about anime. - No, you care about anime, but you only go so deep into the culture, right? Where you don't really get waifu culture, you don't really get-

- A lot of like VTubers as well. - VTubers, yeah. - No comment, actually. - Well, I mean, is VTubing part of the culture? - I think it is. - Yeah. - I mean, it grew out of the anime culture, right? - I mean, you gotta kind of have a like and appreciation for anime in order to watch anime girls streaming. - I mean, I guess. - Yeah. - I don't know. - How deep do you say your anime fandom goes?

- That's a weird question to ask. - Could you frame me maybe a scale or something that you could judge me by? Five, 10 being a fake fan. - Okay, okay, okay. One is like, I watch "Attack on Titan" and "My Hero Academia." Just getting started on that one. And 10 is like, I look at an anime and I know exactly who the Gengar artist for this is. - Fuck that. What are you on that scale? Where would you put yourself actually then? This might help me judge like- - Seven or an eight, I'd say. - I would put myself as a seven or an eight.

- Probably like, it probably would have been like a five, but now it's pretty like a four. - Yeah. - Maybe even a three, honestly. But it's probably gone down to a three. - Yeah. - You know, recently. - Yeah, I mean, has like your, has, do you feel like you've become less of an anime fan, like more recently? And have you like fallen out of the culture ever since you moved to Japan? - I guess, I guess because, no, hmm.

- I mean, it's not like you don't watch anime, really. You still keep up to like all the stuff. - I still love anime memes. I love Otaku culture. I love like the community in general. But I think just when you get so deep into it, it was start like,

and the community, I just started to like not enjoy the community when it got into a point where it was getting really deep and everyone was like, "Yo, name your favorite key animator." And I was like, "What? Who cares? I like the show and the story. Why do I need to care about that?" - No, I mean, like, you know, we can argue that Garnt and I are probably at that point too, but if someone came up to me and said, "Name your favorite key animator," I'll be like,

- I think there was just a lot of like, at least when I was, I don't know if it's still going on. I mean, you guys can tell me, but then when I was getting, trying to get really deep into it and I really wanted to learn more about it, it got very like gatekeepy at a point. - Yeah, it definitely did. It's been like that for a while to be honest. - To where I just started to like not really enjoy it. And then I realized, I think I just enjoy, I enjoy these shows way more when I'm just casually consuming them. - I mean, I just kind of learned to,

appreciate it more and kind of get deeper into it without really interacting with the community around it, I'd say. - Well, I guess for a lot of people, I think me included, when I get into something, the one thing that I will always do is just like look at the community for it and be like, "All right, what's the norms? What should I get into? What's everyone saying like the best thing?" Because that's a way of like guiding your, like it's like a tailored experience of like what everyone thinks is the best way of enjoying something.

- 'Cause I feel like you don't really follow seasonal anime anymore, right? You just kind of wait to see what everyone's talking about and what's worth watching. Like how'd you decide what anime to watch? - But I think that's because like the seasonal experience of viewing anime is kind of like died almost. Like I don't think people- - I don't think so. - I don't think people nearly talk about seasonal anime in a week by week way like they used to.

- I disagree. I just think it's because last year was like so dry for seasonal anime that there was just nothing for people to talk about. - It was just a lot of mid shows last year. - I just feel like now, especially with like Netflix coming and releasing the episodes in like batches, everyone's like, it's not, you know,

did you watch the latest episode of Beastars? Did you watch Beastars? - No, yeah, but like, that's like one out of every fucking hundred anime that comes out every year. - Yeah, but I feel like everyone asks that now. It's not, did you watch the newest episode? It's are you watching Attack on Titan? - I would say, like, people are still asking, are you watching the newest episode of Attack on Titan? - So people just say, are you watching Attack on Titan?

Are you watching the newest episode? - No, literally every stream I do, there's always people like, "Have you watched this anime?" - Attack on Titan is different. Attack on Titan is like an event. - No, no, no, no. Not Attack on Titan, like any seasonal anime. - No, normally I never get seasonal anime if you're asking me. - Oh, I get that all the time. - No one gives a fuck if I was watching like, "Orionmon," what is that?

- What's it called? - Oreimo. - That's it, who the fuck gives a shit? - Are you trying to say Oreimo and Doraemon? - Yeah, who gives a shit? - That's cursed. - Generic feels good anime that's an eight season, you know, like are you watching that? No one asks me if I'm watching that shit. No one asked me if I watch decadence. You know what I fucking mean? Like no one gives a shit 'cause there's so many animes that are so mid now

- I remember decadence, I tried watching that. - There's so many animes that are coming out that the only ones people, I seem to have that, 'cause it used to be, again, when there's a lot less anime as well, that everyone could kind of ask, are you watching these shows? Are you watching it weekly? And now it's just so fucking many and we have so many like good shows, but like we only really, I find in my experience that general Twitter only really asks if you're watching a show weekly now or keeps up with the hype if it's a big event like Attack on Titan. - Right, right, right. - 'Cause I feel like what was missing last year was that fucking big event

'Cause last year we had something like the Demon Slayer, that Demon Slayer episode that really like- - But even then I never saw like week by week plays by Demon Slayer people were talking about. - Week by week plays. - Everyone's like, "Yo, yo, Demon Slayer episode 17, boys, what we all saying? What we all saying on Twitter?" You know, there wasn't like any of that. It was just episode 19 was amazing. It gave the birth of my children. Jesus Christ is reborn. Like that's what happened, right? That was it. Like there wasn't anything else other than like Demon Slayer, good, right? That was it. I feel like-

Do you not think that's kind of like it's shifted a little? Am I seeing something you guys aren't? - I think maybe it's just shifted just because you've kind of shifted away from it. 'Cause I've also shifted away from it too. And I definitely noticed like the lack of- - I do feel like that's so many people. 'Cause I know so many people now who like, they say they're anime fans. - It's shifted to manga, 100%. - Yeah, and all they do is read manga, watch VTubers and play Gacha games.

- I'm in this photo and I hate it. You know what I mean? That's literally me. That was me in 2020. - I never see people talking about episode three of this. It's always chapter this of this manga 'cause everyone knows that they're released at this point and then everyone keeps up with it on Twitter. But I never see it for anime. No one does anime episode reviews anymore except for like big shows like "Attack on Titan" and "Re: Zero". Everyone does manga chapters things still. They're so popular.

- I genuinely think it shifted. I don't think I'm the weird one here. I think you guys can't see the truth. - I disagree with like no one does episode reviews anymore. Cause there's still like a big group of YouTubers who still do it. - Oh really? You watch episode reviews? Name every episode reviewer right now.

- Chibi's probably the only person I know. - YouTube will be taken down and Chibi will still be making reviews. I don't know who, like, come on, that doesn't count, man. - Well, no, that's literally, that's the only one that matters in my opinion. - I guess, I mean, it's one. - I feel like that,

kind of mirrors the culture now because I feel like definitely being an anime YouTuber last year was fucking hard. Anime content last year was like, from my perspective, anime content on YouTube just didn't do as well. 'Cause no one was watching any anime.

videos around anime culture, like what you guys were doing. You guys fucking killed it last year, in my opinion. And I feel like that's because nobody, like people care less about individual shows now and people just more care about the culture. - I think the last time I did a show or a video on a show that was like seasonal and ongoing was fucking "Promise Neverland."

And that was like, what, two years ago? Three years ago almost? - I think mine was like "Banana Fish." - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That was fucking amazing. - It was like two, three years ago, right? And it's like, since then, it's just like every season comes around and I do all I'll be watching. And then I look at the list and I was like- - The biggest lie of the century. - Joey needs to change the title that I lied to you for 20 minutes. - Yeah.

- What I'm looking at. - I love how the comments have finally called you out on it though. They're like, "Don't fucking lie to us Joey." - Yeah, of course. No, that series now is just a fucking quick, easy way of being like, "Oh, let's see what Joey thinks about this." We know he's not gonna watch it, but at least we'll know what he feels about it. - For me, seasonal anime has just become this glorified manga recommendation system. If I find a series like this,

- So rare. - This is what like shopping is to Amazon. I go to the store to go and buy it on Amazon. - It is, right? 'Cause most of the time, most of the time you find an anime and it's like, we talked about this before where it's not so, it's not an adaptation that's amazing. It's a passable adaptation where I'm just like, I don't get anything more than this from like watching the anime versus reading the manga. So you just end up reading the manga. It's only like "Jujutsu Kaisen" is like one of the few,

like Jujutsu Kaisen Jojo and like some of like the big Shonen ones are one of the few exceptions where they actually have budgets and money behind this to make this a,

fucking amazing production, you know what I mean? But for the most part, you have a production that's just mediocre, it's okay. - They're just there. - They're just there. And it's just like, I'd rather just read the manga and get ahead and speed run this stuff. - Yeah, honestly. That's how I've kind of found myself too. And also, at least very unique opportunity for me is that I can read 90% of the shit that hasn't come out yet. So it's like, why not just get ahead on that shit? - Do you feel like you would read more manga if you could actually read it physically?

- Or do you not care? - Probably would. Although I would annoy me having fuck tons of manga in my house. 'Cause I've read it, I'm not really gonna read it again. - Call Joey out like that. - I'm in this photo and I hate it. - How often do you pick up a manga and just read it? - Every day. - That's a fucking lie. I was ready for that. - I'm not joking. I have to because I have so many that I've yet to read. - Yeah, but you never reread the ones you've read, right? - Sometimes I do. - Why? - Because I like it. Otherwise I wouldn't fucking buy it.

- If there's a new manga I pick up. - Maybe if I could speak Japanese, it'd be a different. - Yeah, if there's a new manga I pick up and I pick up new manga all the fucking time because it's like, oh, I don't know anything about this. This just came out. Might be good. And I buy it and I don't like it. I resell that shit. - Rewatching media to me feels like playing casual games on Netflix.

when there's a ranked playlist. It's like, why would I waste my time on this casual game? - Yeah, but you never casual games. - Exactly. - I casual game all the time. - To me, like when I'm, you know what? - I'm just build different bro. - Back in the day when you'd meet a girl, right? And you'd be like, oh cool, yeah, what movie do you wanna watch? It's like, let's watch "White Girls", my favorite movie. I've watched it like 15 times. Like 15 times, why? Why would you watch "Frozen" 16 times? Did you get something the 16th time?

Why? - I mean, I've seen Pulp Fiction about 30 times. - Okay, movies like that where you miss a shit tons, I get it to go back. But you ain't missing any like deep themes from Frozen or White Chicks. You know what I mean? Like, come on. - I feel like part of the,

of rewatching people, well, rewatching films or media with people you haven't watched it before. - Yeah, with people I haven't watched. I understand that. - Yeah, yeah. Because I feel like the only time I actually rewatch something now is when I'm with someone who hasn't watched this show. You're just like waiting for their reaction. Just like, oh. - Yeah, that's tempting. - Oh, the big part's coming up and they're on their phone and it's like a heartbreak. It's like fucking heartbreaking to you. You wanna politely say, pay the fuck attention, you scrub.

- But like, you don't want to sound like an asshole. - That is my fucking pet peeve, dude. And the worst is like, the worst is I remember one time I was showing, I forgot what movie it was to Aki. And, you know, she was like really quiet for like the first hour. And I'm like, oh, she must be really paying attention. I look over, she's fucking asleep. And I'm just like, this is so sad, Alexa. - Doesn't she make you like watch Disney movies all the time?

- Okay, to be fair though, I wouldn't watch half the movies that she shows me unless it, but at least the good thing is 80 to 90% of the movies she actually does show me, they're actually pretty good. - I think if you asked me, would I rather be interrogated in Guantanamo Bay or have a girlfriend who's obsessed with Disney or Kingdom Hearts, I think I'd take Guantanamo Bay. I think I'd have more chance of staying sane. - Okay, but the good thing is- - I cannot stand girls who always just wanna watch Disney movies. It drives me insane. - That's like 90% of girls. - No!

- Honestly, I'm sorry for you, Joey. That's my nightmare as well. - Okay, I thought I was gonna hate it, but then again, I've seen so few Disney movies, understandably. - I'm so glad that girls are moving away from that and getting into true crime now. I can get behind girls wanting to watch true crime. - No, no, if anything- - Fucking God!

- If anything, I would rather watch Disney movies than true crime. - No, I love true crime. - No, no, no. I would have to go with the true crime. - No, no, you don't understand. Aki, every morning I wake up to some kind of police interrogation tape audio. - Same here. - Joey wakes up and like, "Is it a rapist today, honey?" - Yeah. - Oh, great, great. - Every time he's just like, "So why did you do it?" - So why did you do it? - Yeah, it's that shit.

I don't want to wake up to this. - It's that criminal psychology channel, right? That I swear every girl is watching now. - Gym can't swim psychology. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - There's so many of them. There's so many channels like that. And I'm just like- - 'Cause I watched the gym can't swim psychology and then recommended was just,

it's like the new reaction YouTubers. They're all reacting to interrogations. And I'm like, what is happening? Why are we reacting to interrogation? - Like I get it because you watch it and you feel, you almost feel physically suffocated, right? Because I remember watching some of these videos and you feel like a kid again, where you like stole a cookie and your mom's like, did you steal a cookie? And you're just like, oh, what do I say? What do I say? And it's like that simulator without,

- Being back in that. - Because they have like, they have the thing, they'll pause the interrogation and be like, this is the backward suplex mental gymnastic move. And I'm like, I love it when my mother used to do that one to me. We're like, this is the alter ego sufficing technique. And I'm like, loved it when my dad did that one to me. That's a classic, I love that one.

- It's like being back in school, you know, getting told off for detention. - The detectives would be like, we have proof and they wouldn't say the proof. And I'm like, this is like the big mind game in school. Like we know you did it. I'm like, bullshit you didn't. - Yeah, I know. And then they would go, we don't need to show it. Just know that we have it.

- They're just shitting their pants. - And just seeing like good cop, bad cop in action and seeing it actually work. And it's just, yeah, it's, I can see how you can fall down that rabbit hole and become addictive. - It's interesting, don't get me wrong, but every day, every fucking morning. - I couldn't do it every day. - It's not something I want to watch first thing in the morning. - I would rather watch a mediocre documentary over a good movie.

You have programmed your brain wrong. You literally have programmed your brain wrong. That just doesn't make sense. - I just like real life stuff way more than like, I don't know why. I've somehow gotten into it where I just really enjoy stories of real people. - But here's the thing, because I've thought about this recently where I feel like a lot of people now are more like,

will be more willing to watch something that they don't have to pay 100% attention to. So if you have like a really high quality movie or something that you need to like,

pay attention to, you're less likely to watch that than say fucking "Trash Taste." You know, fucking just three people chatting shit for two hours or like a real life documentary where not every detail is important. You just get like the basic story around it. - That's fine though. I don't know why I'm like that. I just enjoy it. I'm sure there's people out there who are the same. Like, 'cause on Netflix, I think all I watch is like documentaries. - Every time I meet you, you watch a new documentary. I have no idea where you find the time to do that. - I play a lot of them in the background.

- Yeah, that's the- - Right, but does that count as watching it? - Well, 'cause some of them was, like I said, like some of them are mid. So it's like, just put it on the background and let it do its thing. - That's one thing I've never understood is like people who say like, "Yeah, I've seen like, I've watched like, you know, 500 movies." I'm like, "Oh, how did you watch it?" "Oh, I just let it play in the background while I was like cleaning the dishes." I'm like, "Does that count as watching the movie?" - I'm like typing out while it's in my peripheral and I'm like listening to it. - Yeah. - I don't know. I don't really count that as watching it.

- Fuck off, that's watching. - Yeah, because I can't concentrate on it. - It's watching, but you couldn't do that to something like Pulp Fiction. - No, God, no. That's why I would never treat it like that. - Yeah, exactly. - Same with anime. - And I feel like doing that, I've realized that because I've been doing that more often with YouTube videos as well, and I've found it harder and harder just to fucking

and sit down and watch something. Do you find that like watching, unless it's like a super engaging show, like watching any standard show now is just 10 times harder 'cause you just wanna, you kinda just wanna skip to where the important plot points are. - Sometimes, I mean, I've been watching some pretty good shows recently that I haven't really had trouble with, but yeah, sometimes I have that.

- I'm glad I've never subjected myself to that 'cause otherwise I'd probably be feeling the same pain. - Maybe, maybe. - I don't put something on unless I have the full intent of putting 100% of my concentration into it. - Oh man. - 'Cause I don't know, like I don't see the point of like,

while something else is playing in the background. 'Cause then I'm just gonna get distracted by whatever's playing. And so either way, I can't concentrate on watching the thing and doing whatever the fuck else I'm doing. - I can't focus without some noise. Like I need noise. - Yeah, I just put music on. - Yeah, I mean, music or put something on. It's whatever. - But like, I can't have anything that's like visual on. You know what I mean?

- What's the last thing you put down that you properly concentrated on then? - Like a TV show? - Was it "The Boys"? - Yeah, I watched "The Boys". - "The Boys" was a good TV show. - Yeah, that was really fucking good. - That was really fucking good and really engaging. - I've heard good things about that, yeah. - Yeah, I was like, I didn't like, didn't really check my phone or anything. I was just watching it the whole time. - Yeah. - "Season 1" was really fucking good. - That's the kind of experience I want whenever I watch something. 'Cause I've been noticing I've been getting so distracted recently when watching stuff that I just,

I enjoy it less and I miss the enjoyment I had when I guess I was a kid. - Are you one of those people who like can't be watching something unless they have like their phone in their hand? - I didn't used to be like that. I've slowly become that person. And doing that on anime is hard mode, man. Because fucking what? - Because you gotta read the subtitles. - Because I gotta read the subtitles?

And my fucking God, it's like trying to watch "Monogatari" when you're eating something, right? Like it's so fucking difficult. - It's like, wait, I missed the one second of dialogue that was important because of the crunching sounds in my ears. - Yeah, I don't really do with anime 'cause anime, again, you have to focus, right? So I don't really get distracted, which is why I think I find it, I don't watch as much as I used to is 'cause

it is kind of like, I do have to- - That's why watching anime on Netflix is so much easier because you watch the dub and it becomes like same enjoyment now. But watching subbed anime, watching seasonal anime has just become that much harder because of that exact reason. - Going back to the debate about, am I a real anime fan? 'Cause you mentioned something, you said like VTubers, whatever, anime, manga, gacha games. Why do you feel like gacha games is like a big part of

of being an anime fan. - Because gacha is originally from anime. - Yeah, it's- - The Japanese kind of invented it. - Yeah, but it doesn't mean it's not that deep in anime culture, right? - No, it kind of is. - You can be an anime fan without ever playing a gacha game. - Yeah, of course, but you can't play, but very rarely play a gacha game without being an anime fan. - Yeah, exactly. - I mean, there's plenty of original like gacha games out there that aren't anime based at all. - Yeah, but how many people play those compared to the anime based gacha games?

- Is Genshin Impact an anime game? - How is Genshin Impact not an anime game? - Well, I would consider anime being like the actual like manga anime shows. - Oh no, I'm more talking about like the anime art style. - Okay, okay. - I mean, like the Zero Lanes, the Arc Knights, like they weren't based off anything. - Yes, and then same with VTubers, right? Like I would say who's watching VTubers who's never watched anime before? You know what I mean?

- That's a confused dad. That's who's watching it. - I like the gacha games. I mean, I really enjoyed "Ark Knights" when I was playing that. I don't really play it anymore. But like, and Genshin was fine. I didn't like how I couldn't skip any of the fucking dialogue.

- I think they added that now though. - They've added that now. - I literally rage quit one of my streams 'cause there was so much dialogue and it wouldn't stop. And you would walk 10 seconds to get another dialogue for two minutes. This is taking the piss. This is ridiculous. No one can enjoy this. - I wanna see you play Yakuza game. You'd probably lose your fucking mind. - I'd be like, what is happening? What is going on?

- I don't get it how people can get excited for every new fucking gotcha game. - I think that's a question you have to ask. - We've also been brainwashed into being excited for rates that are higher than 2%. We're like, boys, boys, it's practically 50/50. It's practically 2%. - Once it's above 2%, it's basically guaranteed draw. - I feel called out now. - They've all memed it so much that they're actually proud of it when it's like 2%. They're practically giving the five stars away.

- That's practically guaranteed drop. - Like a lot of the stuff, I hate how games have just completely normalized like, you know. - Microtransactions. - To death, yeah. Like I enjoyed "Ark Knights", it was fun, but like,

I'd spent like 800 bucks on that game and there was still submissions I couldn't do. And I'm like, how much do I need to spend to be able to do the hardest missions? Tell me how much. - Just turn your brain off and just enjoy the game. You'll just enjoy the experience. - Because then it fucking is like, beep, beep, you got no fucking resources left. Oh, you want to pay? You want to play a little money to keep playing?

- I hate that. - I would say the only real gacha game I'm playing right now is Genshin. And my biggest problem with Genshin has nothing to do with like the gacha system, even though the pool race suck ass. But I mean, I never get like, if the drop rates are fucking ass, then I don't go into it with the mentality of,

I'm going to get this character. I'm going to get this person. When you come in with expectations, that's when you lose. - It's like walking into a casino being like, I'm gonna win the jackpot. - My actually biggest problem with Genshin right now is that when you reach the end game, it really,

it really feels like you reached the end game because you're fucking squeezing out content that's just not there at all. - Yeah, we went over that. - Yeah, and it's become so apparent with Genshin as opposed to other gacha games 'cause I'm sure we've played enough gacha games that you reached that point, right? Where you- - You open to do the dailies and you're like, "I got nothing to fucking do." - This is just a part-time job.

I'm fucking grinding away. - I got a clock in on my daily. - I'm just watching numbers go up. But like it's less noticeable when it's a phone game, but when it's on Genshin, 'cause I don't know how fucking people play Genshin on the phone, man. How you do Storm Terror or the fucking wolf boss on your phone, that's fucking beyond me. But like it feels so weird when I got to the end game in Genshin and I would log on for like an hour a day on the PC and I would just like, I would just grind.

And I would do nothing but grind 'cause I'd gone through all like the actual content of the game. And it really feels like,

it's really apparent on Genshin because it feels like the first real gacha game that should be played on console and feels more like an RPG. Whereas if it's a mobile game, I mean, you just, you can do it whenever, you can do it in your free time. - Yeah, because I mean, I definitely felt like when I was grinding Arknights and I was over leveled for a lot of things, even though I still couldn't beat some stages,

the fact that, 'cause you would do it daily, 'cause you've been conditioned to like get your daily rewards, man, get them. To the point where anytime any new content ever came out, I fucking steamrolled it like immediately. And I was like, well, that was like two hours of fun. I waited three months for that content update. - I do feel like a bit like Pavlov's dog. You know what I mean? Where it's just like, ooh, good. - New content, new content. - And it's just like, you can't like, you can't shit on these games and like say, oh man, yeah, it's super grindy.

the microtransactions are a little bit much, whatever. And then people are always so quick to like defend them. And I'm like, just admit that it's shit. And what they're doing is like, you get a free game and then you have to put up with this shit. And they're like, well, I'm free to play. I don't give a shit if you're free to play. Other people are out there spending a thousand dollars. Why is it okay if it's just,

you are fucking free to play. That's always the excuse you see this shit. It drives me insane. - As long as I'm not paying money. - People are like, what do you mean? I'm free to play. I've never had any difficulties. It's like, well, good on you that you have willpower. - I mean, I'm one of those people, honestly. - Not free to play? - No, not free to play. But I'll defend the fact that you can play these games being free to play because all you need is willpower. And you know, if...

- Shut the fuck up. - All you need is the power of friendship. That's all you need. - I mean, if I wanted to, I could be free to play. I just don't want to. - I don't know. It just feels, I feel bad for the people who physically like can't control their gambling. - Yeah, I mean, I do too. - They shouldn't be playing it. - But they should not be playing games like this. And I feel like these games should really come with a warning. - Tell that to take time.

- Yeah, exactly. It should come, there should be like heavy warnings on games, I think, to like say, "Hey, listen, you can spend a grand and come out with P&Gs." Like, what was that? What are you looking at, Garnt?

- Sorry, there's just a little fluff there. - Okay, sorry. There should be like a heavy warning saying, listen, you can spend a grand for like an animation and a PNG that gets you a little bit of serotonin. Like that's it. Like no money involved. Like gambling, totally fair that it's like, I just, yeah, it angers me so much how like,

- You just don't see the value in those. - I mean, that's just the new generation, right? What would you want to pay for? Do you want to pay for more money? Nah, I'll pay for a little bit of serotonin. - People don't like, I've never heard people like defending gambling odds, right? They're just like, yeah, dude, it's what it is. Gambling is what it is. And you go in there and it's fucked. And yeah, if you want to go and waste your money, go and waste your money. But in Gacha, everyone's like, oh no, actually, like it's everyone's like, I guess 'cause the option there is free to play. - Yeah, there's no free to play gambling option.

- Yeah, it is, exactly. Well, actually some casinos will give you free drinks, so just turn up, get a free drink, let's go. I guess that's the equivalent of free to play, right? Turn up, I'll have an orange juice, please. No gambling for me. - That's the equivalent of like free 10 ball today on today's banner. - Yeah, and they are generous, but I guess,

if you don't have a gambling addiction, you can't understand how it feels to have a gambling addiction. And I get it why some people might just wanna play a game, don't know that it has like gambling in it maybe, essentially. And then they get like kind of tricked into it 'cause they've been weaned on the game and then- - That's just modern apps in my opinion. - It sucks though. - Because we've just found a way to literally hack our brains. Like human beings, we like to think that we're not predictable, right? But how have like,

- Five, 10 years ago, can you imagine like just like having most of your life, most of my life now is scrolling down on something.

- You know what I mean? Most of my life when I'm not talking to you guys, I'm scrolling down on some kind of fucking timeline. - Yeah, I get it. - It's never ending. - We'll get into some philosophical stuff here. But back to the point of Gatcha, right? The other thing that we've done is that we've done the best thing that we could ever want for these companies. We've memed spending money. 'Cause nobody wants to feel bad for wasting $200 and not getting what they want. So what do you do? You go to Twitter, you tweet out how you didn't get anything and you maybe pick like the pain,

Peck or whatever it's called. Pain, pain, peck.

- Is that what it's called? I'm such a fucking boomer. - You sound like a dad. - That's like a dad trying to describe a meme. - I am a dad, Garnt. - Hey son, Payton Pecco. - What is that Payton Pecco? Oh, that is a pogchamp right there, son. - I am not a boomer. - That is very monka- - Oh God, stop memeing about me being a boomer for one second. Listen, we have all like tricked each other into making gambling like a community event and like,

- Like enjoying it. - Yeah, because we- - Because no one wants to lose alone. - Because we share the pain, right? - Yeah, we share the pain. - We share the pain picker. - We've done exactly what these companies fucking wanted us to do, which is make like the gambling into like a form of acceptance. Like you're not truly, you haven't joined the Gacha community unless you fucking gambled a thousand bucks and haven't got the one with thick thighs that you forget about three months later, fuck. - No, are you telling me that

part of like the gambling experience, like you go into a casino. I remember the last time I went to a casino with you. - Great time. - Great time. Because you got to, you fucking egged on Eugene to like lose his money. And he probably was fucking hilarious. - That was funny. - So Eugene's our friend. So you basically did the exact same thing. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. What happened was is that I, you know, at the time he didn't have a job and we were telling him, you know, you probably shouldn't be spending your money. But I was like, you know, I kept playing. I didn't lose much, like a hundred bucks.

I was spending that much and he wanted to keep up with me. And I was like, if you want to, you can go ahead. But I'm not, you don't have to do it. - I don't know man, that sounds very suggestive to me. - I'm gonna gamble. - It's the reverse psychology. It's like, I'm gonna do a 10 pull. I mean, you don't have to do a 10 pull. - You don't have to do it. - But I mean, you know, it's a rate up today. - Whatever. - I'm not sitting, I'm not streaming me going to a casino and being like, hey guys, let's fucking gamble on blackjack. Pog man, got blackjack, you know? - It's the equivalent though.

- I mean, it is the equivalent of that. I mean, it is, I mean, like I said, Gacha is a waifu casino. - Can you stream gambling? Is that, there's poker I know of. - Yeah, there's poker. - Can you? There's blackjack. - Can you? There's probably heavy rules around it though, right? - Probably. - Yeah, probably. - But there's not heavy rules around Gacha. - No. - I guess. Why not? Why not? Should there be?

- I don't know, it's maybe. - There honestly should be. I think there should be some regulations. - I feel like the biggest thing about Gatcha is that people should know what they're getting themselves into. - People should know a lot of things. That's why people,

That's why people should also have the option to tell casinos, "Hey, can you ban me? Because I have no self-control." There's no way to do that with gacha. And unfortunately- - Is that an option with casinos? - Yeah, in every country you can do that. You can basically- - So what you're saying is we need to come up with like the gacha police. - You basically need something- - The gacha police.

- You need something- - Ring, ring, you've been spending too much money on Gacha. - I am dead serious. There should be something on the Play Store, something that you can be like, "Listen, I gamble too much. Can you please not allow me to spend more than like a hundred bucks a year or something?" Set a hard limit that there's no way to turn off. - I agree with you with that. - Because if you go to the casinos, you fill out the form that says, "Please ban me from this casino." They will never let you in.

- Ever. - All right. - 'Cause they have like a database and a lot of the time if you, I think sometimes some courts require you to do it for certain occasions, but it's very popular and common that people who gamble too much, they wanna get their life on track, because it's easy to have,

a lapse in like willpower and you go to the casino. So if 95% of the time you're like, I'm never gambling. - Basically just chastity belt themselves. - Basically you can say like, this is not good for me. I'm gonna fill out a form. - I didn't know you could do that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In the UK, a hundred percent. 'Cause gambling is a huge problem in the UK for like betting shops and stuff. So they'll do it. And you can basically, if it's a chain as well, they'll ban you from every chain.

- I do think you're talking about like a vast minority. 'Cause like most of the people who I've met who are playing gacha games, they're not like us, right? But for us, it's kind of like, for me at least, it kind of revolves around my job.

- You stream and you do it, it gets views, right? - Yeah, exactly. But like for most people that I know that play "Gacha", they haven't spent like an inordinate amount of money on it. - But like, I don't think there should be an ability to ruin your fucking life for pulling anime girls. Because like we know TechTone, he's a popular "Gacha" game streamer. And at one point he used to play, what was it? - Summoners War.

- He nearly, like, I think he legit went like, I think he might've filed for bankruptcy or something. He went fully broke from gacha games. This should never be a thing. That should never be able to happen. - I remember him telling me that like, it was like a fucking war story. - That should never be a thing for casinos either, right? - No, but I mean- - I agree, there should be more regulations about it. - There needs to be a gacha police. That's what we need. - Again, with casino, it is,

extremely heavily regulated, right? And you can win money. So it makes sense that you can't have the risk of winning money without losing money, right? But with Gacha games, come on. - For some people though, man, like that PNG is worth more than money. - But to me, it blew my mind that it took like- - I'm fucking serious. - How many, why? What's wrong with you? What happened in your childhood, Garnt? - That's serotonin, 'cause like I've never cared.

about like- - Anything. - No, no, no, no, no. - Until those PNGs came along. - I've never cared about winning money 'cause like, you know, to me money has value. Like obviously like-

- You can't put a price on those P&Gs. - That's serotonin here when you win like a fucking character that you're actually emotionally attached to, you know what I mean? 'Cause people who win money in casinos, they're not emotionally attached to this money. - I doubt that, I doubt that very much. - No, no, I've had friends who have had actual, you know, proper gambling problems as well. And I remember this, I knew a friend in a university who one day won like 10,000 pounds

in a casino, right? Could have paid off his student loans, could have been like completely debt free. And within three weeks he had spent the 10K, 10,000 pounds. - On gambling. - On gambling, mostly on gambling. And I asked him, "Dude, you could have fucking invest this money. You could have used it like more wisely. You could have used it to better your life. Why did you spend it on gambling or why did you spend it so easily?" And he said, "Because I didn't care about it."

'cause he didn't earn it, right? 'Cause he had no emotional attachment to the money 'cause he was just given it. So to him, it just felt like- - It is the equivalent of just someone coming up to you and being like, "Here's 10K." - Yeah. - A lot of these, you know, the serotonin you get from these waifus, three months later, you don't give a fuck.

- Well, that's on you. That's your prerogative, dude. - Do you give a shit about some of the games that you pulled for and got that lovely serotonin hit like months after? - No, but I have a nice memory. You know what I mean? - He goes to his fucking wall like, "Ah, yes, I remember the time I pulled." - I had a good experience playing all the gadget games I've played. Otherwise, I wouldn't have played them in the first place. - It's like small, basically the same as going to a fucking arcade or something, right? And putting money into that.

- Yeah, it is. - That's different. - Yeah. - No, no, it's different. - It's like, yeah, you're only paying, you know, maybe a hundred yen at a time, but it's still the same. It's like, why is it, what's the point? - The problem is that it's, you could do a hundred yen at a time. And if I wanted to spend 500 bucks, which I've tried to do, it takes like five hours. Like, it's a long time. If you want to spend 10 grand on Gatcha, give yourself 20 minutes.

- 10 grand in 20 minutes? - You probably could if you were just buying the highest option multiple times. - Speed running bankruptcy, let's go baby. - No, you could, I'm sure. You see the streamers who spent like 10 grand but they're making the money back. - Yeah, exactly. - Think about all the people who are doing that who aren't making the money back. And yeah, some people are probably in the financial position to be able to do that. But why even give yourself the chance of making that happen to other people who aren't, right?

And again, you hear the horror stories of kids spending their mother's money and shit like that. Why is this even able to happen? There should always be a hard limit built in that shouldn't be able to like be able to go over. - I feel it's on the person though. - Yeah, let me ask you this. What regulations would you want to see then? What regulations, how do you fix this problem that you've-

that you've presented. - I think when you download the game, right? And there is Gatcha in it, there should be an immediate question of what is the maximum you're willing to spend in like one year? And you physically, no matter what you do, cannot go over that. Like it will not let you. - But what if you said zero and then you change your mind? - Well, that's on you. You've already said zero. - Isn't that the same as just putting in the credit card numbers by yourself anyway? - Yeah, you've decided zero. You then can't hurt yourself more and you're stuck with the thing 'cause you agreed to zero. I think that should be a thing.

- No, because like on the other side, then that means spending money in essence is also on you, right? That shifts responsibility from just one place to another. - This is the problem that people have with, I think when they're talking about like gambling addicts is that,

we don't think of it 'cause we're not gambling addicts. We can't think of it as, why don't you just not spend money, bro? That's not how it works. This is the problem is that I think people alienate these people and don't even remotely think how it is to be in their position. - I totally understand, but at the same time,

what I'm trying to say is obviously there are people that are proper gambling addicts that have a problem that they physically cannot control, have a harder time to control. But how do you introduce a system where, how do you introduce a system that can regulate that as opposed to other people who have no problem having willpower and being able to control their spending and financial decisions?

- I do think that there should be a hard limit on monthly amount of money you can spend on any game. I legitimately believe that. - I believe that as well. - I do not think that like anyone should have any excuse to spend over like $10,000 on a video game in my month. Like that should be just, that should be like a hard limit baked into the game or app store or something like that. Because no one, realistically, no one needs to spend over a grand. And if they do, if everyone's playing by the same thing of no one can spend over a grand,

the devs won't make games that are able to get benefit of spending over a grand. You know what I mean? Like, I don't understand why there hasn't been some kind of like hard limit on video game spending. - Because why would the devs cut- - No, why would they? It's in the government's best interest. - Yeah, I know. That's probably the best solution I can agree on because I do feel like there should be a hard limit on how much you can spend on a mobile game. - I think there also should be something again with like how you can say, I wanna quit like casinos,

Because gambling addicts probably aren't gambling addicts 24/7. It's probably like a lapse of willpower where they're like, "Fuck, I need to gamble. "I'm depressed or something. "I don't fucking know. "I don't know how it works." But there should be something in the system that's like, "Okay, I wanna gamble." And then you can say that. Or at one point when you download the game, say, "I don't wanna gamble." You can only change this in say seven days of like, "Are you sure?" So you say, "Yes, I wanna gamble." All right, come back in seven days. If you're sure you wanna gamble, we'll let you gamble. Why not something like that?

- Developers? - Because most of the money I bet I spend is everyone's moment of weakness where they're like, "You know what, fuck it, I'll spend a hundred bucks. Come on, let's see what I get. Come on." You know what I mean? How often would you spend a hundred dollars on the gacha if I had to ask you, "Joey, come back in seven days, tell me you still want to spend that hundred bucks." - I just wouldn't bother with playing the game at that point. - Well, you'd play it free to play.

- Yeah, or not play it at all. - Yeah, I mean- - Actually more than anything, I'd probably not play it at all. - Yeah, what, if you can't spend money in the game? - Well, no, if I'm fucking like, if I'm persistently being asked like, "Are you sure? Are you sure you wanna do it?" I'm just like, "I'm not even gonna fucking bother with it then." - It's that intrusive? What do you mean you won't let me spend my money? I'm furious. - It's like, leave me alone. I'll spend it if I wanna spend it. - It's like the opposite now where they're like,

Spend money, spend money. Yo, get this pack, get this pack, on deal. - And I'm in a position where I'm like, I'll get the pack if I feel like getting the pack, but I'm not going to if I don't feel like it. - But you could do the same thing. What do you mean? You could just say no to the money thing. - Yeah. - You literally just said the same thing, but you're just being an asshole now. I literally just gave you the opposite situation where it's like, spend money, spend money. And you're like, I'm fine, I don't want that. - Yeah. - So what's the difference of saying no? What?

- I feel like you're just playing devil's advocate. Just to piss me off. - Yeah, I love pissing you off. It's my favorite hobby. - No, but yeah, I mean, I can agree. - That's my serotonin.

- There's been way too many cases, obviously, where people are going, "We're going fucking broke." - How many cases do you know of? - Yeah, how many do you know of? - You hear it all the fucking time. - From who? - From who? - I bet if you asked how many people had spent a significant amount of their savings or spent too much money, oh, sorry, spent an amount of money that ended up, they regretted. I bet there would be like 50% minimum.

- No. - We can do it right now. We can fucking do it. - Fine. Let us know on Twitter, how have you ever spent an amount of money on a gacha game or a video game that you ended up severely regretting? - And be honest, be honest. - Yeah, be totally honest. - This is a proper scientific conduct we're doing right now. We actually wanna know. - Like no meme, I'm actually genuinely curious. - I love gaming. So I am a gamer, gamers rise up.

- Rise and grind. - I am a casual gamer. I just like enjoying my time playing a video game. And if I wanna enjoy my time,

pulling for some waifus, then I know that that's on me because I know that that's what I'm paying for. You know what I mean? - I also, me as well, I understand that. I have self control. I don't need to do that. - I don't regret any money that I've ever put into Gacha. - No. - From the beginning. - Would you ever say that you've fallen for something that is perhaps like, you know,

maybe a little, not predatory, but close to it, right? Maybe like they keep offering you stuff, there's deals constantly. - Look, I'm not gonna lie and say that Gatcha isn't just fucking gambling with waifus, 'cause it fucking is, okay? It's but like, I've never seen the appeal of casinos because of the reason that I said, where, to me, casinos are scary, 'cause you pay for the chance to win more money, and that's like, that's like,

to me that's like a risk, right? Because that's literally just gambling. But to me, like Gacha is I'm paying for an experience. I'm paying because I actually want this thing that I'm putting money into. I actually want it. And it's different where people are gonna meme this and say, "Oh, Garnt doesn't care about getting money." And that's not what I'm saying, right? I'm saying if I'm going to get money, there are,

plenty of other ways that I would want to get money. - Gambling is the last resort. - Gambling's the last way I would use to actually get money. I wanna work for that shit. - But there's only one way to get wifers. - I rarely give a shit about what memes do, right? I'm not like that. But I guess 'cause we're in the position where we all have our own job. We're all old people compared to the Zoomers out there.

- Apparently you're the youngest one, but you're the boomer of this group. - I feel like a boomer man. When I go on Twitter sometimes I feel like a boomer. - You are the boomer. - So it's all hella normalized, right? Spending, you know, a hundred bucks on a few pools, right? Me and the boys gonna pull a few wifeys, right?

- And then, you know, we're joking about it on Twitter, you know, we stream it, but it's not like, you know, someone goes to a casino and is like, "Oh, I do a cheeky like 10 pull on roulette," right? And then like, you know, everyone's memeing it and going back, "Hey, the classic, you know,

- Bet on red, yeah. - All right, all right. - Because we're memeing this shit, right? To like 16, 15 year olds who are then wanting to do it, right? - Yeah, I mean- - I feel like we have like a, I don't know, it feels weird. - Okay, well, what I would say is, okay, like part of the reason I've been spending more on like "Gacha" now is because 2020 has been boring as fuck, or 2020 was boring as fuck. And I think to myself, what would I have spent that money on anyway?

- Probably going out and getting pissed. Like how much do you spend on a night out? - Depends, right? - Yeah, it depends. - How big the session is. - Let's say a standard session in London with the boys, right? You can spend upwards of like 100, 200 pounds on drinks. - Fuck, now what are you getting up to in London? Popping champagnes in London? - When a drink, when one single cocktail in London is like a tenner,

- You start off at a Wetherspoon or something, that's the cheap drinks. But as you get further and further on with the night, people easily spend 100 to 200 pounds on one night. - Do you get more out of that 10 minutes of pulling that gacha than a whole night with your boys? - I mean, I would say that- - No, no, no. - What are you, a politician right now? Garnt, what is this? Come on, man. Answer the question. - I'm just saying like,

- Like you are like, I'm being attacked right now. I need to fucking defend myself. I need to fucking defend this shit. - Mr. Speaker, if I may interject. - But you know, you say we've normalized this stuff, but like you are fine, for example, with spending that much on a night out because that's what you choose.

That's what you choose as the experience and that's what you choose is okay for the price. You know what I mean? - So basically what you're saying is a night out with the boys is the equivalent to getting your favorite wifey. - There is tangible stuff you are buying. You're buying drinks that is stuff that has to be made, that you're going, you're transporting. This is all stuff that has a cost for a reason. The gacha is inflated because they know they can get away with it.

- Right. - They know they can charge this much for a pool. - I mean, it's the equivalent of like going out to a bar and buying a tenner drink and going home and pouring yourself that same drink, right?

- No, it's different. - Yeah, no, it's the same. Because like getting your favorite waifu on a free pool is the pouring your drink at home. - No, it's not. - Yes, it is. - What's the going out then? What's that? - The fucking 10 pool you pay for. - What? No. - That's exactly what it is. - Oh my God, this is such low brain IQ. No, dude. Okay, when you go to a, like let's say you go to a bar in London, right? You pay, I don't know, fucking nine pounds for a cocktail. You're not paying for the ingredients.

You're paying for someone one to make it. - You're paying for the experience. - You're paying for the experience. You're paying for like, you know, the glass, the expertly prepared, right? You're paying for that. - The glass? - Yeah. Do you have nice cocktail glasses at home? - No. - No, I'm gonna buy them. They're like fucking 30 quid. They have really nice ones, right? Everything you get is tailored experience. That's where the price goes. Is it a bit of a rip off? Yeah, kinda. But it's not like to the point where I feel like I'm being taken advantage of. With Gacha games, I kinda do. - But that's just on you.

- No, I feel like they, I genuinely believe that like, Gacha games to some extent are like, just getting away with as much as they can. - Of course they're getting away with it. - Of course it is. - I mean, I'm not gonna say that they're not getting away with as much as they can. I totally believe that yeah, there should be regulations around this stuff. - I think that it is- - That's not the argument here. That's not the argument here. - But the fact that it took like, multiple governments to get involved just to make them, to show you the odds is like ridiculous.

Like how long were people getting fucked over? 'Cause they didn't know the percentage was 0.001. - Oh, a long time. - A lot of people. - But they probably also didn't care. - Yeah, but how is that ever acceptable? Like that that was okay. Like casino, you know the odds, right? Like even casinos aren't that scummy. They'll let you know. Like this just blows my mind and how people constantly defend them. And they're like,

I would be more okay with it if everyone just admitted, just one big scam and we're all just in for it. - No, it's not a scam though. It's not a scam. - It's like one step away from a scam. - What's that one step? - What is a scam for you then? What is a scam for you? Because to me, a scam is like, it means that you are getting, what's the word I'm looking for?

the users in the dark, we know exactly what we're getting ourselves into. And that's why to me, it is not a scam. - A scam is like saying like, oh, on this banner, the tent pole is a guaranteed six star. When it's not a guaranteed six star. - That's come in to stop any more like government regulation. Right? 'Cause if they were trying to get away with that very long ago. - No, no, no, that is a scam. If they're actively lying to the user base, then that to me is a scam. - Which I'm sure many of them were at some point.

- Yeah. - Right? Because we didn't know that. - Well, I mean, come on. - The best weapon against that is just education, right? It's like, no, no, it's- - Don't do drugs. - Just have a wrinkly brain, that's all it is. - Like, I'm memeing the fuck up, but if you want me to talk about the realities of it, I will talk about the fucking realities of it. And that's because,

I don't want, I know exactly what I'm getting into with gacha games and I know what my limits are. - I do think it's gotten much better since they've, one, you get a guaranteed and you get to see the rates. That's much better. That's increased it a lot. - Like I meme the fuck up that I'm like spending money on like literally a fucking 0.6%.

but that's on me. - You're in the financial position to be able to make that decision. - No, no, but even if I wasn't, you know what I mean? - That's on the person. - Not always.

- I think sometimes depending on how, we're going circles kind of, but like depending on how the game is presented and made, I think sometimes a fault can be on the game. And I hate how you can't even have this discussion of people being like, "Oh, you're just whining, bro. It's free to play anyway." And it's like, it's not that simple. I think it's never that simple. - I mean, I feel like if- - I think not opening the door to that conversation is irresponsible.

- I mean, for me, I feel like the conversation to me always ends at, if it doesn't feel like your type of game, like I don't feel like you are made for gacha games. And I genuinely believe that 'cause I feel like someone with your personality, like a true fucking gamer just would never enjoy gacha games. - No, I don't. I hate that I'm paying for part of a game. I hate that.

And I'm completely fine with that. Gacha games, the reason I love gacha games is 'cause it suits my lifestyle perfectly. It suits my mentality when it comes to playing games perfectly. - He's a true gacha gamer, girl. - I don't, like, I'm not saying that gacha shouldn't exist or anything like that. I totally recognize that it has its place and it's got its value. I just want like everything to be more transparent and there'll be systems in place

to stop people going broke from them. I don't think anyone should go broke from fucking like, I don't know, fucking Ark Knights. Are you kidding me? Like no one should be going broke from fucking video games. Why? Why was that even an option? - I mean, it shouldn't be an option and that's what we agree on. - Right, right. And like, I just,

it's like we've totally like been made it totally memeable and okay to be like, "Ah, he's gone broke. "What an asshole." - No, no, we haven't memed up people going broke. - Let's do it, man. - Yeah, but that's not us. We're not doing that. - Who's memeing? - Go Twitter. I bet there's some, bro. - No, no. - Yeah, but Twitter you meme up

- If someone's like, "I just spent $100 on a gacha and I put nothing." That's basically like the same as what you did to fucking Eugene being like, "You just spent a hundred pounds on a casino and you didn't win anything." - Yeah, also there's nothing on Twitter that's not getting memed up.

- You can scroll on Twitter and be like, "Lol his dad died." - If someone has a legitimate problem and someone's like, "Dude, I've fully regret spending this much on Gatcha." Then I'll be like, "Bro, I fear you." - Yeah, like, "Sorry." - You just gotta quit. You know what I mean? This is bad. This is bad. - What else? There's nothing else we can say. - You can't just quit. It's not that easy. - There's nothing else we can say. In our position, there's nothing else you can say. - Just stop doing drugs, bro. Just stop. Why are you doing drugs, man?

Like it's not that easy. That's again, end of point. That's no more. There should be regulations. - Bottom line, someone needs to make the gacha police a reality. - Bottom line, there should be regulations on how strict they are. That's up for debate between gacha players and pro gamers, apparently. - Pro gamers?

- Pro gamer girls and gotcha gamer girls. The never ending war. - I think there should be like a cool down period. 100%. That's my closing statements. Oh, "Gacha games, predatory." That's the title. - Oh my God. - No. - Why not? That's a brilliant title. - 'Cause then the entire fucking "Gacha game" community is just gonna destroy us. - Well, see, that's the problem is that the "Gacha gamers" get offended when you insinuate. There could be anything even predatory about it. Why?

- That's not what we said. - I know, but why though? Why do they? Like I've seen the moment you complain about gacha rates, there are like a hoard of people being like, "I'm free to play." No, no, no. - Because we hurt their feelings. - Because basically from a lot of people's perspective, it sounds like, "Oh, you're enjoying this thing." No, you're not allowed to enjoy this thing. You know what I mean?

It's like, why are you enjoying this? It's wrong to enjoy this. - No, no, the games are totally good. The games are great. Genshin's a great game. All chill, whatever you want. You want free to play? Cool. You wanna spend money? Cool. But I just think there shouldn't be like predatory systems on anything to do with video games. It's like having like a fucking Fisher-Price toy and being like, do you wanna like, you wanna roll for a new fucking toy? You want a $10? You know what I mean? Like we don't put that shit in there kids. - So you're not the kind of person who's like, oh, there's a new DLC.

- I don't give a fuck about DLC. You can be the game as is, that's what I'm playing. - You're just a true gamer, man. - Yeah, you're just a true gamer. - Maybe. - The most vanilla gamer out there. - How's like vanilla? Hardcore, I'd like you to add. Go and play a fucking disguised book and call it a game, Joey. - What is your perfect gaming experience, Connor? What is your perfect gaming experience? - Or league. - No.

No league player would ever say that. - Then why do you play so much? - Well, that's a good question, Joey. Addiction. There should be systems in play. - There should be restrictions on how much you play. - You meme, but league addiction is a fucking thing. Don't try to tell me- - Yeah, you meme that. - You don't try to tell me league addiction is not a thing. It is a fucking thing. - Yeah, but it's not like you can't, I mean,

It's you have to try very hard to ruin your life with a league addiction. You have to really be on that path of ruining it. But I don't know, perfect game for me. I don't know, maybe like something like one of the Halo games. It was a very fucking good game. Perfect game experience. You get a good game. Maybe some, wait, some of them had like DLC, but that's,

- Points down for that. - Are you talking about like OG Halo? - Yeah, yeah, OG Halo. - Like Halo 1 and 2. - Halo 1 and 2 are really fucking good games. Just a game that has an experience that when it's over, it's over. - What about like a current game? - A current game? Hades is probably the best game I've played recently. That's a fantastic example of a game. No DLC, no bullshit. You just play the game. You get the story if you want that. I'm not into that. That's fine.

- Yeah. - That ain't me. But the gameplay, fucking amazing. - To me, like, 90% of the games I ever play, I don't finish. And I don't know why. - Such a fucking weak mindset. - No, no, exactly. I get to a point. - Nah, I'm there with you. - Do you cum during sex or you just walk out halfway through cum?

- Does the sex take 50 hours? - Does the sex take 40 to 50 hours? - I don't play Final Fantasy. I don't play Yakuza. I don't play any of those long games at all. Longest game I played was like fucking Blue Dragon or some shit. That was fucking awful.

Like I have to be like properly invested in this stuff. And I'm the type of guy who, you know, I get really into a game and then I hit a route like the 20 hour mark. And then I still have a quarter of the story left or a quarter of the gameplay left. And I feel like I've gotten everything out of that game that I need to do.

and then I just stopped playing. You know what I mean? Like part of a big reason why I, you know, even with gacha games is that if there's not that reason for me to keep playing or if there's not that, if I'm not getting something new out of it, then I just drop it. - What do you mean? It's just a fucking daily quest every day. - Well, sometimes I like the story. Sometimes I, you know, sometimes it is,

Sometimes you want to get that grind for that character that you're invested in. - The moment you said story, he just checked out. I could see his brain just power down. - I can't even fathom why people wanna grind. Why would people put themselves through that? It's torture. - I mean, it's kind of like just that mindless task, right? - Yeah, it's just something to do. - You feel like you're accomplishing something. - Don't fucking admit or some shit. - Are you telling me that League isn't a grind after a point? It's a fucking grind. It's just a grind with more complicated,

- It controls. You know what I mean? Yes it is. - There's a loss and there's a like a win and a loss have different outcomes. Grinds, there's only one outcome. You just win. You just do the thing that you meant to do. And then you've already planned. - Well, it depends how you grind. - Yeah, but it's like, all right, I've got my spreadsheet out. It's gonna take eight years of grinding, of killing these balls. - What is, what is that? - Is that how you view every JRPG player? - What is it? - Then we have a fucking spreadsheet. - No, but in your mind, it's like, I'm gonna do this mindless task five times to get this thing. - What is the end goal of League?

- There is no end goal. It's like self-improvement in mechanics. - Exactly. - Checkmate. - So that's exactly it, right? Because that's my problem with competitive games.

Every time I get to do a competitive game, whether it be league, overwatch, fucking Valorant or whatever is like the golden period is the first time when you're learning the game, right? And they start getting good at the game and then you start learning the systems. And then you start the ranks, you start the ranks play, you start climbing. That's when the game is fun. When you feel like what you've learned has had a tangible effect, right? But everyone,

everyone will hit that wall. Everyone will hit that wall where you climb as hard as you can, unless you're a fucking faker or something, and you've won like the world tournament. That's 'cause that is basically the only end goal there can be in any competitive game, to be the best in the world, right? And so everyone will reach a point where it becomes a grind because there's no way that you can overcome that wall without grinding your way to overcome that wall. - Yeah, but that's a self-improvement. - And then after you do that, you reach another wall.

and then another wall after that. - But it's constantly like improving a skill, but in like JRPGs and you know, Gacha games often it requires no skill to do the grinding. In fact, it requires the opposite. - But what I'm saying is you feel like you're, because the whole point is- - You're working towards a goal. - You talk about self-improvement, well, you're working towards a goal. You're gaining something. To us, Gacha games is just that. I mean, like with not just Gacha games, but like,

I'm pretty sure like any MMO, right? When you're grinding, you just feel like you're making progress towards something. You're just less- - That's like fun to people? - Yeah. - Just having the thing, like the super easy thing just play out. You're like not engaged at all just because you're going towards something. - Yeah, you know, sometimes I don't wanna feel shitty when I've played five league games and lost five in a row. - Yeah, I play games to have fun, not to rage. - It's just like, you're just activating like the fucking neurons. You don't need to worry about it. It's just a mindless task. - I just like being challenged constantly.

Like I want something that like is challenging you always. Like at the moment you grind is when the game dies. - How do you not get tired?

What do you mean? I don't know why. I like being challenged constantly. - Do you not feel like competitive games get to a grind after a point? Do you not feel like- - No, they get to a point where I feel like, okay, I genuinely think unless I put X amount of effort in, I'm not gonna improve at this game. And I normally just quit at that point. 'Cause I'm like, all right, I feel like I've gotten all the challenge I can out of this game in a reasonable amount of time. I'm gonna find something else. - Yeah, and that's exactly the same for me. When it reached the point where I reached that grind- - Half these gadget games have autoplay.

- So what are you doing? - Sorry? - What are you doing? - I'm doing other things. - Yeah, I mean, that's why, you know, the only times I'm okay with autoplay is when it's on a mobile. - I'm not fucking staring at my phone while it's autoplaying the entire time, I'm doing other shit. - Yeah, but I've been out with you and you're autoplaying on the thing and you gotta like keep track of it a little bit, make sure it's all going well, you're like, okay.

- For like two seconds and then doing other things. - You also can't use your phone in that time 'cause you're doing the mission so you can't reply. - I'm sorry, I have other things to do then look at my phone. - I have emails to reply to Joey. I have messages I gotta reply to you, man. It's busy life, but you know. - I don't know about that. - I also like not fucking my battery, which is like really annoying on the Gacha games. When I was playing Ark Knights, I had to carry a fucking spare charger with me everywhere.

My battery was fucking dying. - For me, when Gacha games stop getting fun is the moment I start thinking about optimization. 'Cause when I start thinking about optimization, I'm just like, okay, now I'm just like- - That is the challenge for me in Gacha games. - That's exactly the point. - Because once I figure out how I can optimize this game maximized, right? Then it's not fun anymore. - Yeah, exactly, then it's not fun. - But I figured that out immediately because all the shit's online and everyone tells you how to do it.

you've seen the spreadsheet. - Yeah, so you basically like just willingly is like, I just figured out a way to make this game not fun. - There is nothing fun about pressing autoplay. It's fucking shit. - When you're opening up a spreadsheet and you know, fuck actually thinking about how to optimize this and optimize that, that's when it stops getting fun. I just like the experience.

of just doing like a very simple activity. I don't need to worry about it. And I just feel like I'm gaining something. And it's not, I'm not gonna say that, hey, this is the peak of all entertainment. This is why I play video games. You know what I mean? It's just a nice little thing in the background. - I cannot understand. Like my brain cannot wrap around the thought of just,

- Maybe I'm the monkey brain in this instance. - Because to me, the idea of progressing to a goal without actually doing anything seems like the dumbest thing ever. - Why? - How is it a goal if you're not progressing? - Because fucking life is stressful enough, bro. - What do you mean?

- Life is already a challenge. I don't want another challenge on the side. - I de-stress by getting challenged to do stuff outside of life. - Nah, you're fucking weird. - Because there's no pressure. If I lose in a ranked game, I don't give a fuck. I'm not gonna get my fucking mortgage taken away from me. It's nothing like that, right? It's just a chill. - With a mindset like that, I'm surprised you're not a speed runner.

- No, no, no. - Because that's the exact same mentality I feel. - No, no, no, no. That's psychotic. - As a speed runner. - 'Cause that's like, I want the same experience again with a minute difference. That to me blows my mind. - That's exactly what I'm hearing right now. - No, no, 'cause when I get done with the challenge, I'm done, I'm on with another game. These speed runners will spend two months to get a one second optimization. - Right. - And I'm like, that's- - But aren't you all about optimization?

- Yeah, and other things, but not my like complete my fun. Like my fun is learning something and getting better at it. Like I will optimize. - I mean, wouldn't you say that that is speed runners because they're learning a game. - Almost an obsessive amount though, I think. Like I get it this, 'cause I've got into like speed running like Carpet at one point.

That was quite fun because I was seeing good improvements. But the moment it became not fun is when I would do a 40 minute run and I was just like, "I don't really know what to do now. "I didn't really see much to improve." And then I would look online and I'd be like, "Okay, I guess I can do this." But then like, yeah, sure the mechanical aspect of trying to get better at like a certain thing was better, but it was- - But it's a challenge. - Yeah, but it was not, when you play against other players, there's an always in constant direct challenge facing you. And every second there is constant,

decisions you have to make to outplay. And every new game is a new experience. There's a lot of things that are the same. But with the speed run, I think the problem I have with it is that it's always like we follow the formula and then we try and improve on the formula little by little, which is not kind of fun. 'Cause if you're doing like, when people do like three hour games that speed runs, it's like they might do like a two second optimization here and then redo everything the same way. That sounds like insanity to me.

You're not changing anything. There's no variation. You're just changing one detail, constantly trying to improve it. And sure, I can understand why that's fun to someone. But for me, I can't do that. And I just can't get invested in that. That's just not what I do. - So what do you get invested in then? Like self-improvement? - Yeah, self-improvement and the fact that- - What is your definition of fun? - I like- - What is fun? - I like- - What is fun? - It's a skill, right? And then seeing how well I can apply the skill on the fly to things. Like how well I can learn it and adapt to situations is what's fun to me.

I like losing, 'cause that means I can get better. - For me, I play video games 'cause I just like escapism. - That is my escapism. - Yeah, to me, video games are like, I do this, I do that enough in my real life. You know what I mean? That's probably why I fucking watched so many "Isekai" rounds. I'm just realizing this now, man. - Escape to another world. - But yeah, it's just like, I wanna do something where sometimes with gacha games, there's no way you could lose at a gacha game unless you're fucking smart.

spending money, but like in terms of like the grindy and the progress, there's no way to lose against it. - And so you just don't like losing.

You don't like losing. - Who does like losing? - I like losing. It's part of the experience. - You're fucking weird. - No, it's not. Every fighting game player is obsessed with losing, I swear. - Yeah, that's why they're all psychotic. - That's like some fucking martial arts mantra trick. - Oh yes. - I remember I was playing Mario Kart with someone and they couldn't drift on Mario Kart. And I thought this is a very basic mechanic. This is not that hard to understand. And I was like, you should just try it without the baby mode on.

'Cause I feel like the baby mode just, all you're then doing is holding A. - Right. - Like without, 'cause the fun part about Mario Kart, right, is drifting, right? I think, and nailing drifts, you know, and playing the game. I like drifting in Mario Kart, okay? I'm gonna say that for like 90th time. - Do you like drifting in Mario Kart? - I love drifting in Mario Kart. - You say that as if it's an unpopular opinion. - Well, no, because I was playing with someone the other day, right? And I was like,

- I'm glad you laughed. - Yeah, hot take, hot take. - I drift in Mario Kart. - Hot take, hot take. - Ladies, ladies. So they couldn't beat me in Mario Kart, right? And I'm like, yeah, it's 'cause you're not fucking drifting. You're never gonna beat me if you're not drifting. And they were like, oh, okay, I guess I'll try. And they tried it once, right? They tried without baby mode on. They kept falling off the edge and they were like, no, I don't like Mario Kart now, it's not fun.

What did you expect? You were just gonna be amazing right away? No, you gotta put some effort in. Start learning how to drift, you dumb fuck. Try it.

- The fact that you've gotten that competitive over fucking Mario Kart just shows how much like your mental, just shows what your mentality is. - To me, it drives me insane when people try something like that, right? That is not that, okay, we're not talking about, I'm not like, just get good at Starcraft, bro. I'm not asking that. I'm like, press one button on Mario Kart when you come to the corner. That's all I'm asking, right? That's what I'm trying to explain to you. People who like throw a fit and like, I don't wanna play anymore, it's not fun now. I failed this one mechanic and I don't care to learn it.

Like that drives me insane. - I can imagine the dad you're gonna be, man. - Yeah, I just- - Like son! You can't drift in Mario Kart, you're disappointed. - You aren't my son anymore. - I do not have like, people will be like, "Wow, Connor's that guy with like..." 'Cause to me, fighting game combos are absurd. Like the amount of combos and inputs you have to put in, which is too much. Like there is such a steep learning curve, right? Again, there'll be a fighting game community up in arms that I've seen. They'll be like, "Okay, Connor." Like that's...

the drifting in Mario Kart is such a low barrier of entry in terms of intense mechanics. - Yeah, for you. - No, no. Is it really? Do you think it is? - I know some people who just, no matter what game it is, some people just don't, their brains just don't operate.

when it comes to like games. Even a simple mechanic like drifting, they're just like, I don't understand. - I think to me, it's like if they had never wanted to drift, it's fine. But they wanted to drift and wanted to learn, and then it was difficult and they gave up immediately. And that's what annoyed me, is that they immediately gave up. - Well, I mean, isn't that this- - How do you get anything done in life? - Yeah, but isn't that the equivalent of you playing Tekken and being like, I want to do this combo, and you try and you're like, I don't like it.

- No, I would try the combo and I'd be fucking shit at it. And I get my ass clowned on. Then I realize I'm just not getting better at this game. - Right. - It's the exact same thing. - No, not the first. I would try multiple sessions to get good at it. - It's just the same thing with a different difficulty curve.

- It's just like, it's just a difference between I have one life versus I have three lives. Oh, game over. - This is why I said, I prefaced right in the start. I'm like, it's not like I'm asking you to get good at Starcraft or anything intense. I'm not asking you to learn intense mechanics or spacing. It is Mario Kart drift. Explain it. - Yeah, but you have to understand, for some people that is intense.

And that's just how it is. - How is that intense? - It's just how it is. - I refuse to believe that's intense. - Are you telling your grandma can fucking figure out Mario Kart straight away? - If you're my age, Mario Kart drifting should not be an intense mechanic. I think it's like early onset dementia if that is a problem for you, honestly. - That's some big claims there. - I do not expect my grandma to even know how to get, like just click the fucking menu on the Nintendo Switch, right? I'm not expecting her to do that, right?

very extremely basic mechanics, right? Like, okay, but this is the, okay, again, this is not a problem that they can't do it. It's that they gave up right away. The first failure of the first track, they're like, I'm done. I'm quit. - Well, maybe because they don't want a fucking challenging experience in a video game. Maybe they just want to play for fun. - You're like the Navy Seals dad. - No, no, no. I despise those people.

- You're becoming one from the sense of it. - I would never expect someone to be good at any video game. - Are you trying to say that you're playing Mario Kart for fun? - No, no, no. It's all about the challenge. It's about the challenge. - I would never claim to be, I want to be good at fighting games and then I'll try and give up, right? If I want to actually learn something, I'm going to do it. I'm going to throw a hissy fit and give up when I'm not good at it. - That's just how you operate. You have to realize not everyone is an epic gamer girl.

- Some people just don't see games that way. And you just have to accept that. - I just think it was annoying. - No, I get it. I get like, that's annoying to me as well, but I'm not gonna get like pissed off at them. I'm just like, well, that's just how you play games. - That just means probably it just ain't the game for them. - It's just not the game for them. - It just ain't the game for them. - Maybe they just don't like playing games like that. - Genuinely off the top of my head, I can't think of an easier mechanic to learn than the Mario Kart drift. Can you?

- Name an easier mechanic, go right now. - Probably accelerating in Mario Kart. - Actually, no, it's automatic now, Joey. - Oh, well there you go. - Yeah, there's an option to make it automatic. - There's an option for automatic. - It's automatic by default. So you don't even have to do that. - Turning in Mario Kart.

- But the baby mode, it's automatic. That's what I'm saying. There is literally the gameplay itself. - That's what I'm saying. There's a reason why they added those mechanics because for some people, it's just too much. - Yeah, but then that's what I'm saying is that- - They just want that monkey brain neuron activation. - To you, Mario Kart might be a baby game, but for some people it's the equivalent of playing StarCraft. - I never said it was a baby game. I'm just saying, right? What happened to us is that they- - What you're saying is- - No, they were complaining that I was winning.

I'm like, you're never gonna win if you don't drift. So my problem was that they're complaining that I'm winning. I taught them how I was winning. I explained to them, this is how you can do it and how easy of a mechanic it is to learn. Like you can learn it in one sitting very comfortably, I think. Like most people would if they actually just tried, but they just gave up immediately. - Son, just start winning, son. Just start winning. - Just get good. - Son, son. - Why aren't you winning, son? Why aren't you winning? Why aren't you winning? - It would never get to that point. My son would be in discerned before I would even know. I would be like, why haven't you won already, son? That's why, I'm kidding, no.

- My son was winning out the world. - Connor doesn't ask, are you winning son? - Why am I the asshole? - You're winning right son? - Why am I the asshole for thinking that's like, just like, I don't know, you should maybe just put like, I don't know. - Because you're literally complaining about competitive Mario Kart. - No, I'm not complaining about that. I'm complaining about the part that they gave up immediately and were like, I can't do it.

I hate when people do that. Like, I just can't. - I hate it too, but I'm not like fucking like losing my shit over it. - I don't give a shit about it. - I just don't give a shit about it. - It's fucking Mario Kart. - If they don't want to win in Mario Kart, that's it then. - It's fucking Mario Kart. I don't give a shit. I don't give a shit if someone gives up in Mario Kart. It's Mario Kart. - No, but they were having like a little hissy fit. And I'm like, that's your problem, man. Stop giving up on shit in life. This is why you get nothing done. - That's why you're not in the Navy Seals, bro.

- That's why you never excelled at anything son, 'cause you gave up the first time. - If you're getting a pissy over someone like losing in Mario Kart or someone throwing a history on Mario Kart, imagine something more intensive in life. - You guys are taking it out of context. I'm saying they were getting pissed off and then it kind of pissed me off that they were getting pissed off about it, 'cause they didn't put any effort in.

- I thought you were trying to get me with a gotcha moment on fighting games and it's completely not related at all. - It is related. - You gave me an entirely different situation. - No, no, no, no, no. - What we're saying is that you got pissed off at someone having a hissy fit. I wouldn't even bother getting pissed off at someone having a hissy fit. - It like irked me.

- Basically, like them giving up on not being able to learn drift in Mario Kart is exactly the same situation as you not being able to learn the difficulty curve in the fighting game. - No, no, no, because it's a completely different thing, right? If that was my own choosing, right? And I went through that or like someone pushed me on it, they were like, "You should start learning combos," right? I can totally understand if I was pushing it on them that they wouldn't want to do it or wouldn't want to be good at it because I mean, I'm putting on them. They never wanted to do it in the first place. - But you were pushing them to drift.

- No, I never said that. - Yeah, you did. - No, they said, how was I winning? I said drifting. And they were like, oh, I wanna do that. I literally said that. Stop putting words in my fucking mouth, Jerry, you asshole. What I'm saying is like, if I was pushed into doing it, totally understand why you would then give up. - Basically, you just hate people who give up. - I hate people who give up right away. I hate it, dude.

- What's the right amount before someone gives up when it becomes acceptable? - I mean, you can tell if you're like good at something when someone just isn't getting the hang of it and they aren't gonna get a hang of it. You know what I mean? Like if you've been doing something for a long time, you can just tell they're struggling. - Right. - Right? But like most people, like a lot of, not most people, there's a fair amount of people out there who are perfectly capable of doing something who just give up immediately 'cause they failed the first time.

- Yeah. - Probably with you guys with ranked games, I imagine. - No, I mean, I don't give up immediately. I just get bored. - Sure, sure. - Go and spend your money. - I don't even- - Go get that serotonin somewhere else, Garnt. - I don't even start 'cause I know I'm gonna hate it. - Yeah, because you- - I don't even try. - 'Cause you have a hissy fit when you lose at games. - Yeah. And I don't wanna have a hissy fit when I'm losing at games. That's not why I play games. - Why do you get a hissy fit when you lose at a game?

- Because when does it ever feel like- - Someone has to lose. - Name me a moment where I'm like, "Oh man, I lost." Like no one says that. - I don't give a shit when I lose it again. I'm like, "Right, well, fair enough. I got outplayed." You know, man, what is it is? - Does that feel good to you?

- Sometimes if I know where like I could have gotten improved. - What the fuck is wrong with you? - No, I think it is a healthier mindset to be of, I don't mind losing so I can improve. - I'm not. - That is the complete fucking opposite of a league experience my friend. The league experience is, fuck me, I lost. Was it my fault or was it my teammates fault? I have literally no fucking clue. - No, I did ask you know in league when it was completely my fault. I mean, there are some games, you know, it is 100% not your fault. - There are some games when it's like the 50-50 game

and then your teammate is just caught out 1v5 while like you're all doing Baron or something. And then you just fucking lose the game thanks to that. And that feels horrible. That feels awful. - That doesn't feel great. But then, you know, you can leave that game and be like, all right, I could have set that up better. I could have done things better that make that W more secured. - I don't look at games that deep, man. I just do it to fucking escape. - Well, no, I don't look at it deep. What happens is that I enjoy games. And then I look into now when we're talking about it, I'm thinking, okay, why do I enjoy the games that way? And that's why I'm talking about it now, Joey.

I'm not sitting there, my window's still like, "Why do I enjoy suffering on League?" I don't know. - That is the question that we're posing. Why do you enjoy suffering on League? - That is the question to all League players right now. - I'm League free, man. I'm playing the game of League. I'm League free, man. I haven't played a ranked game of League in like two months, man. Three months. - I went to Leagues Anonymous and I just fucking said it, man. I was like, "Yeah, I'm for League free." Congratulations. Everybody clap.

- Basically I enjoy league the most when I don't care about winning or losing. Like that's literally my enjoyment of those types of competitive games. - I think Joey's just a little gamer bitch, little cry baby boy. And that's where we're gonna end it today. - I'm sorry I enjoy winning a game. I'm sorry I just enjoy- - I'm gonna so be one of those old people like, "These kids these days, they don't know how to lose. They don't learn how to lose at all."

- How do they expect to win at life if they can't even win at a video game? - That's what I'm saying, man.

- How can you expect to win at life Garnt when you can't even take a loss in fucking Smash Bros Joey. - I don't know man, I'm winning so far. - Wait until that loss comes along Joey, you won't be able to suffer as a human being, you'll be able to work. - Oh no, I apologize that I'm giving up a very normal human fucking experience. - People take enough L's in life, life throws enough at fucking people that some people would just want an escape from that. You know what I mean?

- That's it. - Some people just want an escape to a secure W. - That is literally it. - I agree to disagree. - What do you think, comment section? This is... - Why did you have to say that? Now we have to hear.

- Now there's just gonna be a shit show in the comments. - What do you think of this section? - Are you a chat gamer or a little baby boy Joey? - Which philosophy do you fucking decide with? - It's what I like about philosophy. There's no correct answer. - Except my answer. - Do you want to be the Navy Seals dad like Connor who just can't stand his son losing at anything? - Or do you wanna be a normal father? Let us know in the comments. - Or do you just wanna be a normal loving father?

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