We're Too Addicted To The Internet | Trash Taste #24
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- Welcome to this episode of "Crash Taste." I'm your host, C-Dog Monkey. - You really slid your way in there. - Yeah, yeah. And I'm here today with Joey and Garland. I'm tired as fuck. - We're just back with just the boys now.

- Why are you so tired Connor? - I was up all night and then I didn't sleep very well. And I was considering canceling my Japanese lesson 'cause I can cancel it online. But if I do it like after 6:00 PM the day before, I don't get my money back. - Oh really? - So it's like- - Wait, do you pay every lesson? It's not like a monthly thing. - You pay for like tokens.

and then the tokens you can redeem. - What is this, like, gotcha currency? - That's what I was thinking, right? - Not everything's fucking gotcha with you guys. - So how do you earn tokens? Can you earn tokens by just going to the school? - Pay to win currency, Garnt, called money. I don't know if you've heard of it. - Can you claim them in game as well? - Oh, God, you guys have been playing gotcha too much. - Do you have dailies for it?

Every lesson you go to is like dailies. You get like five tokens a day. - I'm just gonna ignore that. - Like finally I can do my 10 pull. - You can explain now Connor. - Okay finally, are the jokes done?

- You pay and then you get like X amount of lessons with it, but like private lessons cost more. Like class lessons cost X. I'm sure people can figure out which school I'm going to now. I mean, someone already fucking did. Someone approached me and was like- - Really? - Yeah, I was talking with my teacher. It was like a common area. 'Cause you got like a 10 minute break and we were talking and then some guy was like, "Hey, are you like the guy on YouTube?" And I'm like, "Which guy?"

- The guy. - Like, I guess I am. - You know, the white British guy. - I've already told the story on the podcast though. But yeah, I mean, so yeah, that's it. And I'm tired as fuck 'cause I went to it and I was like, I probably should have canceled and just slept in, but I didn't. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You knew fully well we were gonna do a podcast episode today. - I did, I did.

I've been doing it every week, a lesson before. - I'm like impressed that we've been able to manage like this weekly schedule without taking a single week off since we started, I think, right? - I think so. I mean, we've maybe had one off, but other than that, we've been pretty consistent. - We've had one off simply because one of the cameras broke this one week. - That's right, one of the cameras did break. - But to compensate, we did two episodes one week. - Yeah, 'cause I'm sure it's obvious to the views at home, but this setup has all been set up by like, I guess us, mainly me, but us.

- We just chillin'. - So when like the camera died and I didn't know what I was doing, I was like, "Oh, fuck.

"Okay, I guess we're not filming today." Turned out one of the cameras was broken. We had to get it fixed. - For no reason either. We never figured that out. - Have you guys been up to anything exciting recently? - Well, I've got some news. - Oh shit, okay. - I've got some news. I just wanna say that this might be the last podcast episode that I do. Because if you guys saw on Twitter, I've recently been emailed by a-

- You might know them, they're called Big Hit Labels. They're the management of BTS. - Oh yeah, I know. I actually auditioned myself, do you remember? - Yeah, I remember. - Someone signed me up as well. - But they emailed me and it was all caps. The title of the email was all caps, IDOLCASTING.

And so I was like, oh shit. And then I saw a big hit and I'll read the email to you right now. - Go on. - Because the first time I saw this, I was like, oh my God, is this actually big hit? Cause that'd be crazy. But then because it ended

- And I'll read it, but like the first half sounds legitimate. It says like, "Hello, the anime man. We are big hit labels, BTS's management from South Korea. We are very interested in casting you to be a member of the new boy group in the Japanese branch of our company." And this was the moment, the next word I read, I realized, oh, this is all a lie. "Japanese branch of our company, STD."

- Okay, okay. - We think you'd make a fine visual with your astonishing idol looks or maybe a good leader with your wisdom and old age. The fuck does that mean?

- All day? - All day. If you have anyone else in mind who you think would fit, please let us know. And they gave me a list of requirements that I needed, all right? To be the leader of STD. - Walk me through it, walk me through it. - Okay, must speak Japanese. Got that covered. Must be six feet or over, check. Must be hot, not sure about that. He's a lovely oxymoron. Must be somewhat feminine, must be male.

- You can rock it. - Must look good in tight leather pants. - Hell yeah. - Hell yeah. - And then this last one fucking killed me. Singing and dancing would also be good.

- Would be good. - Would be good. Kindly consider our offer and get back to us when possible. Big hit label. - But what if it was a legit big hit and they reached out to you? What would you do? - No, because like- - What if it was? - No, what if it was? - Hypothetically. - Big hits like Joey, we want you in a bag. - Dude, I would 100% say yes. Are you kidding me? Do you know how much of a fuck- - Think of the content. - Dude, think of the content. - Think of the stories we can tell on Trash Taste Corner. - I became-

I became a K-pop idol for X amount of time. - How confident are you in the singing and dancing aspect? - I mean, dancing, I'm basically a middle-aged white man, so I can't dance to save my life. I think I'm okay at singing.

But yeah, dude, could you imagine STD? - That would like radiate the same energy as going to your accountant and being like, yeah, do that like tax fraud thing for me. Save me all the money. Do what Trump did. - Yeah, pretty much. - Fix me up like that.

- But someone actually like submitted like an audition with my business email, like legit to them. And they replied being like, I think it was no or like to do the next step or something. Like it was some like verification thing. And I was like, oh, thanks. But I've had so many, I've had like every single dating site you can imagine. Like I've had like singlemuslim.com be signed up for.

- Christianmingle.com. - Classy. Did you get Farmers Only? - I haven't had that one, is that a website? - Yeah, Farmers Only is like only you have to own like a certain amount of land to be eligible. - Seriously? - Yeah. - You have to own like certain amount of acres? - You have to own a certain amount of acres of farmland to be eligible for it. - I see these and I don't think anything about it, but I remember that I have like an agency looking at our emails and that's when I started to get like,

kind of worried about it. Yeah. Maylene the other day goes to me, oh, there was a weird email in your email. It apparently you had matched positive for STDs with someone. Yeah.

Like someone you had slept with had STDs. And I'm like, man, it's obviously fake. What if I thought I had an STD, I would go to the fucking doctor, not a website, right? - Let's just use my work email, which I know my agency checks to be like, by the way, let's get an STD check right now. - It's like how many terrible decisions in a row would I have to make to have that?

Like I would want to have to sleep with someone who I would have to be like, well, who knows? No condom. Then go in, think I have an STD immediately after. Not go to the doctor, sign up to this website. Final step, use Worky now.

- Do you ever meet people who are like, man, I just can't seem to get a W and then they just don't, but they always should do things that never set it up. - Yeah. - That's the kind of behavior that they do. They're like, just like, man, I'm just so unlucky in life. And it's like, you did drive with no wheels. What did you expect to happen? - I think we all know like one person

- That is like the nicest person ever, but they just keep doing dumb stuff. And you're like, come on man. - I'm like, you have to be like, no one person can take that many L's without actually trying to do so, right? - I feel like sweet friends, you just like, come on man, I wanna see you get a W. You just keep doing it man, stop, stop man. - Dude, like that BTS one though, or the big hit labels one, like I posted it 'cause I thought it was fucking hilarious, right? And it is, but you know.

I quickly learned my lesson to not fuck with the K-pop fans. - You felt the wrath of K-pop Twitter? - Yeah. - Which- - Just a Twitter rule. - I woke up in the morning and I saw that the thing had 800 quote retweets and I was like, that's never a good sign. - Oh no. Boy, boy's about to get ratioed. - And I checked it and like a lot of them are just, you know, people just saying, obviously getting that's a joke, but you know, there's those handful of K-pop stans who were just like, wow, how dare you like stereotype all K-pop stars and like- - I don't worry about it.

- Oh, no, no, I thought it was fucking hilarious. But it's like, there are some people who are like, "Oh, he probably photoshopped it just to get attention." I'm like, "I'm not that fucking desperate for likes on Twitter." - That's got like more creativity than half my videos. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's also the photoshop. - The only reason I posted it because I thought it was fucking hilarious. Like, I wouldn't have otherwise.

- It's weird that people assume that like, that's the kind of content we think we need. - Yeah. - That's the amount of steps that we're jumping through here. - That's how desperate I am for Twitter clout. - Yeah. - That I have to fake an email. - The amount of loops you would have to jump through to get to that point. You know what I mean? - Oh my God. - You could just say, I like hentai and you get more likes.

- Dude, I tweeted penis and I got like more likes. So it's just like fucking whatever. - Yeah, but- - K-pop fans, you don't mess with them, Joey. That's a universal truth. - Yeah, I mean, I knew that from the get go, but I didn't think that would have caused a fucking riot, right? I'm just like, can these people not take a joke? Clearly not anyway.

- Well, yeah, moving on. So I see you started Genshin. - Oh yeah. - After holding off this entire fucking time and holding off from like me and Joey talking about it like every week. - I just didn't want our fucking podcast to become a sponsor episode for free. If we're gonna talk about Genshin, I wanna get fucking paid. You know what I mean? - Do you like it though?

- It's fine. It feels like Breath of the Wild light. You know what I mean? Like, it feels like- - It's diet Breath of the Wild. - You know how like in Breath of the Wild when you would like think, "Oh, what if I do this like weird thing?" And then you'd always get rewarded for it. In Genshin, I would do that and I'd be like, "Oh, there's nothing there."

- Really? - It's another common chest. Oh boy. Don't understand what I'm picking up, but all right. - Because the reason I like Genshin and the reason I like it is that it is very, very Breath of the Wild. - Oh yeah, that's the best part of the game. - Yeah, but it's Breath of the Wild mixed with basically JRPG elements. I'm just like- - That's fucking awful. - I was watching this guy stream. Every time Paimon came on screen, he was like, "Shut up!"

- There was one point where it was a cut scene. I think like, I just like had my mouse to my head and I was just tapping it. 'Cause I was so bored. The story is so shit. Not that I would have paid attention anyway. - Yeah, exactly. - But it's like doubly shit. And then some people in my chat were like, why are you skipping the fucking cut scenes? And I'm like, it's shit, right? And everyone was like, yeah, it's kind of shit. And I was like, okay, good. Then I'm skipping them all. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I don't know. That's like, it's boring. I don't find any of these characters interesting. 'Cause they're all Gacha characters and most of them are just,

- I mean, like the thing with gacha game stories is that they rarely start off good. If a gacha story gets good, it's normally like way into development where like five chapters in or like when they release like their fifth story. - Like chapter six, "Arknights." - Yeah, yeah. Which I've heard about chapter six, "Arknights," which is meant to be amazing. And I'm just like, well, I've kind of skipped the entire story up to this point. - I just don't trust anyone. - I've read chapter one and that's it.

Like after that I was like, oh, okay. I don't need to know the story to play the game. - Yeah, I just don't understand people who like love stories in gacha games. I just, I mean, we've covered this before, but- - Yeah, have we? - I mean, we've covered story in video games. - I mean, they're especially shit in gacha. - Yeah.

- Like Breath of the Wild didn't have much story and that was like the best part of the game. It's like, just do what you want. - Yeah, but like the reason why people skipped over fucking Breath of the Wild story is because like- - You can't skip over anything. - What person doesn't know the story of Legend of Zelda? - What is the story of Breath of the Wild? - Be Ganon. - Yeah, you just be Ganon, right? - That's nice though, I like that. They kept it simple, like let me do it. I mean, I like the fact that you can change characters and there's elemental and the combat's kind of fun. It's okay, it feels pretty limited, but I mean, it's fine. - I mean, the reason I thought

it was great was because it feels like Genshin is like kind of feels like a first of its kind, right? Because when you think of gacha games and when you think of like, you know, the whole gacha genre, you have this image of just like, you know, cheap mobile games that only hardcore weebs are into. And it's been really fucking weird seeing just how much Genshin has blown up

And I feel like I went into Genshin thinking, oh, it's just gonna be kind of like Honkai, but a little bit more polished. And I got completely blown away when I was just like, no, this just feels like a triple-A gacha game. It feels like the very, very first triple-A gacha game where it's like way more polished than pretty much any of its competition. - Like, I didn't understand why people liked Fate/Go. Like I saw Fate/Go. - It's because of Fate. - But it looked like a fucking mini clip game.

the art looked shit. And then also the story sounded like a convoluted mess. And then also the Gacha rates were abysmal. - Because you don't miss, Type Moon fans like K-pop fans, right? It's like the moment there's anything Type Moon, they just like give it to me. - So there's this thing called like the waifu economy, right? Where it's the value of the waifus. And because Type Moon have such a huge,

- Because Ty Moon have such a strong brand with fate and all the waifus in it, that just makes the waifus and fate worth that much more. And people, you look like you're about to die inside right now. - Garnt's a waifu economist.

- It's absurd. It's like absurd. - But like the story in "Fake-O" does actually get good, like fucking five chapters in. I can't remember which chapter Camelot is, but that's when it gets good. - So when you're playing the gatcha games, do you want the characters because you like them or because they'll make you OP?

- I mean, I'm sure it goes both ways. - That's the eternal struggle, right? Do you go with meta or do you go with waifus? - I just want the OP ones. I don't care about the characters looks. - Oh, I'm completely the opposite. 'Cause like every time I stream Genshin, there are so many fucking backseaters for Genshin. - There are two types of people in this world. - There are so many fucking backseaters for Genshin where like, I think once I had like,

both Chi Chi and Klee in like my party. And people were like, what the fuck? That's like the worst combination. I'm like, I don't give a shit. I like these characters. I just want to play as the characters I like. I like these waifus. - I honestly think like going with the, just the waifu, the good waifus is the way to go because I feel like going into a gacha game wanting to be OP

means that you kind of go into the mentality where you wanna like kind of complete the game. You wanna optimize it, right? - It's like going into a casino expecting to be a millionaire. - No, no, no, you wanna complete the game? Wait, are we not completing the game? Is that not what we're all doing? Am I confused? - No, I mean, if you wanna complete- - You don't wanna complete the game. - No, no, no, it's not about- - How can you complete a gacha game? - Do the story.

- But the story isn't everything in a gacha game. - Yeah. - Okay, so you do the story in Genshin. - All right. - And then what? Then what do you do? - You go around exploring the world or you collect all the characters or- - Collect all the characters? You mean gamble all your fucking money away? - Yes, welcome to gachas, Connor. That's the fucking point. - Once you've done all the content in the game, what do you do then? - Wait for the next update. - But like, okay, that's where like,

when "Ark Knights" came out, right? The weight between those things was just like a ticking time bomb of like, am I gonna drop this game? Because that weight period is like, how long can I reasonably keep logging into this? To the point where I'm like, what am I doing? And obviously like after X amount of time when you've beaten the game, that's when it's like, okay,

I'm done. Like I played this game. I've got my fill. I don't need to spend any more money on this. - I find it really funny though, that you're the one who's like, no, I want to finish the story as someone who has no idea what the fuck the story is about. - I want to do all like the content, all the bosses, like all the fun aspects normally, unfortunately it's tied to the story.

- Cause I remember- - Unfortunately all the boss fights are tied to a story. - Like seeing you enter like discover Arknights for the first time and seeing you like your first entrance into the world of Gacha. I'm just like, I see him. I just saw you spiraling down into hell. Cause I saw you were like, oh man, I want to collect this. I want to level up this character. I want to level up that character. I want to optimize this. And I'm like, oh no, you're going to be spending a lot of money. - Well, that was cause like I wanted to, unfortunately with Arknights, there was always be that one stage. Arknights is like a

tower defense kind of game. - Yeah. - Please sponsor us.

And basically there was always, no matter how many OP characters you had, there'd always come a stage where you needed like one specific character that had this one niche that you didn't have. It was super annoying when it happened. So I just wanted to spec everything and to be prepared for every stage. And then yeah, I just gave up. - Yeah, which is what I was saying. Like if you want to complete a gacha game, you're gonna have a bad time because- - I felt like I completed "Dark Knights."

Like I did everything. - I mean, there's always new content coming out. You never really- - There is now. - The only time you can complete a gacha game is when the developers just stopped giving out new content. - This is the thing, right? When you have done everything in a game, right? And then say the next patch coming out in a month.

- Are you then happy to stop playing that game before the new catch has come out next month? Are you done? - Which is why I feel like this is a super interesting conversation because I feel like a lot of people went into Genshin and they like, I don't think Genshin, I don't think even Genshin kind of expected the kind of like response that it would have gotten and how popular it would have gotten because this is like a lot of people's first introduction into gacha games, right?

And there's been like a big controversy with Genshin stamina system. When you reach end game, right? When you kind of complete the story, explore everything. - So stamina is for running around, swimming and climbing, right? - No, no, no, no. So you haven't used stamina in Genshin. - Oh, I haven't, okay. - No, no.

- You understand, okay, so every gacha game has kind of like a stamina system where normally you spend a resource to play some certain aspects of the game, right? Genshin to me, I feel like it's super weird, right? 'Cause you can go, you could play it for like 30 plus hours and never have to use the stamina system at all. Whereas with like "Arknights" has sanity, you kind of like,

you kind of like reach the stamina cap within like a week of playing it all out, I'd say, right? Same thing with like Fate/Go. I can't remember what the stamina system in Fate/Go is called, but in Genshin, the stamina system is called resin and you use resin whenever you like go complete a dungeon or go like fight some bosses.

Now, when you're in the early game and when you're just exploring the world, you can just not use the stamina system at all because there's so much to do and the world is like, the world's fucking massive, right? The world's absolutely massive that you could...

spend 30 plus hours exploring the world, doing everything in the world, doing story quests and not have to like focus on grinding and leveling up your characters and doing bosses and everything. But once you reach the end game, once you explored everything, then there is nothing to do but grind it out and try to and just use resin. And the argument is from what I understand, 'cause I haven't actually reached end game myself is that there is just not enough resin to like,

give you meaningful content once you've reached the end of the content. - I don't understand people who like just grind, like will play a game for hours on end and grind when there's no guarantee that anything's coming. - Yeah. - Like that's like psychotic to me. - Yeah, because I've heard that

- The best way to like enjoy Genshin from what I've heard from people who have reached end game already is that you shouldn't rush through the game. - No, you shouldn't. - Because getting to end game is actually much quicker than a lot of people expect. And then once you hit that point and once you have to start using the stamina system, then it's like, you're really limited to what you can do. - Yeah, you're really limited to content. And that's why I think Genshin is like this super unique

Super unique example because most gacha games, it's just like a mobile game where you just like you play, you can play it for like five to 10 minutes a pop sometimes, you know, you've already played for long periods of time. Whereas with Genshin, because it feels more like a AAA game, people wanna play this for hours on end. And people are coming in expecting this to be like an MMORPG where you're just like constantly grinding and constantly doing something and there's like infinite content, right?

I just find MMORPGs so boring after like X level, right? When you start grinding. I don't know, like I think some people can do grinding no problem, but for me it's like- - Well, I mean you hate JRPGs. - Yeah, I mean, I just like, I think it's like, why would you just stop me from having fun? Like I don't understand- - Some people find grinding really fun. - Yeah. - I think it's like relaxing for some people. - Yeah, I find it relaxing. - For me, it's just like, I feel like you're just like,

taking the piss out of me. You're just kind of making a mockery of my time here. Like that you're making me do all this shit. - You're only making me use 1% of my brain. - Almost, it's like, you know, some, when I used to play RuneScape, I didn't mind it, but I was also fucking 12 and I was a dumb little shit.

I wouldn't mind clicking on them. I literally spent like hours a day clicking trees. I can't even believe I did that. - But were you playing like MMOs by yourself or were you playing it with friends? - I had friends as well. - Okay. - But still, but like- - 'Cause I mean, I couldn't be able to grind an MMO by myself. - Like raids look fun in World of Warcraft. Like when it's like eight people communicating, like that looks fun, but I also don't wanna get there because the points are getting there are insane. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - And my little brother was addicted to World of Warcraft and he fucking,

you couldn't get them off it. - I never got into "World of Warcraft". - I've never been into, I don't think I've played like a single MMORPG because I- - Not even "RuneScape"? - I didn't even play "RuneScape" no. - I fucking loved "RuneScape". I spent so many hours on that game. I'd like beg my parents when I was like 14, like, please mother, please pay for membership. It's only five pounds a month.

- I didn't have the balls to ask my parents to do that. So that's why I was like, no. - I think it was like for my birthday. I was like, can I have RuneScape for a year? And they were like, yeah. And obviously when you were like 14, time doesn't go nearly as fast as it does now. So I remember like the first month I played like eight hours a day of RuneScape every day.

I was so addicted. - True gaming goal right here. - Yeah, and then when I got like 17, I stopped playing and I gave my account to my little brother 'cause he wanted to play on it for a little bit. He like fucking lost all my shit. I remember there was like this thing called like, oh fuck, it was...

- There was this thing you had to grind for like the specific armor and it took me like months and he lost it. - Like mithril armor or some shit? - It was like, what's it like called? Fist of Gothic or something. I don't know what it's called. - Fist of Gothic. - It was like this armor where you had to play this like egg game. It was really dumb. I spent like,

I would spend like two weeks straight getting this armor, doing these fucking mini games and then he lost it and then I got it again. I came out of retirement from RuneScape just to get this- - He came out of retirement. - I came out of RuneScape retirement just to get this armor again and he fucking lost it again. And I was like, that's it, I'm done with RuneScape. I'm quitting. - You pulled like a Hayao Miyazaki, right? He's like, "I'm coming out of RuneScape to save this company." - I couldn't believe it. But going back to Gacha, like I'm so,

because at the moment the game is boring, even remotely. Like if I have one gaming session where I'm playing the game and I just didn't have any fun, I'm like, all right, well I'm done with that game.

- Somehow League of Legends hasn't done that. I mean, I think it's like hacked my brain. I don't know why I hate it. - I feel like it has hacked your brain in a certain sense. 'Cause I don't know, do you enjoy League or do you feel like- - League of Legends by the way. - Yeah, of course. Do you actually enjoy League or do you just sometimes play it because it's just like- - It's a coping mechanism. - It's like a familiar kind of like system that you just understand.

- I think, I don't know, Jerry probably hasn't had this, but I think when you've played a game like that for so long,

there's this kind of like almost autopilot nature to it where like, I'll see I have like an hour free and I'll just click it open. Even though every time I know when I click it open, it's a bad idea because not only one will I probably not have a good game. Even if I have a good game, I don't feel good about it 'cause I'm like, well, that was a stomp, that was no fun. If I lose or have someone inting or on the Japanese server I've been playing, people just fucking troll so much more. It's so bad. And I'll be like, well,

I just wasted 30 minutes and now I'm fucking angry. And then I know every time I click it open, I'm not gonna, it's never gonna be worth it, but sometimes I still do it. - It's because it's like just habit building. - I have played League of Legends, like it's been like my, I'd say my main game for,

God, when did Delusion come out? Like 2014. Jesus Christ, man. Like it's been like six, seven years. I've just like, it's been the game that I always go back to. And it used to be really fun, but now it's just like depressing. This episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Going online without ExpressVPN is like not having a case on your phones.

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And that's why like- - It's so funny speaking to people who've played League for years, 'cause everyone talks about it like they're a fucking drug addict. Like- - It's definitely sounds like it. - You know, I just, I wanna quit, but I just can't man, I just can't. I need, I need just something about me. Just something about me, just like, I just need to play one more game, just one more game. But I just can't quit. I can't quit, damn it. - It used to be,

- Like back when I lived in, and when I was in university, it was really easy to just play with people. And it was pretty fun 'cause I used to play for the university team as well. It was pretty fun actually, I really enjoyed that.

But then when I left university, I went to London. I wasn't really playing as much with friends. And then since I moved to Japan, it's totally like a solo queue thing. It just isn't fun. Which solo queue is just playing on your own with four other random people. And I don't know why in the Japanese server, it's so bad, dude. It's full of like Chinese Smurfs and Korean Smurfs who want to just fuck around. So all the games are horrible. - So then have you considered- - Quitting? - Stopping?

- It's hard, man. - Because I know why, it's because there's nothing to replace it, right? - What do you do, right? What do you do when you have like just one hour free, just only one hour free? - Jack off. - For one hour?

I mean, I'll get the job done within that hour, right? And then if I have- - Connor's like, "That's an unoptimized Jack Off. "Can't have that." - No Jack Off should take more than five minutes. - Then yeah, I have 55 minutes to do whatever I want, right? - But like, okay, no, no, but seriously, what do you do? Like read a book, watch something? - Yeah, read a book usually. - I can't open a book for an hour. - Yeah, 'cause your fucking monkey brain. - It's like an eight hour thing for me if I open a book. - Eight hours? - I have to make it a whole day thing if I read.

- I'm talking about like, like Mongo. - Yeah, Mongo, Mongo. - I'm actually with Mongo. - Really? - If I'm reading Mongo, it has to be a whole day thing. I can't put it down. Like I can't. - Oh no, I can easily just pick up a volume reader and then that's it. - Yeah. - I think the problem is that League is so easy to just

for 30 minutes without engaging. - It just engages that monkey brain, that fucking lizard brain where you're just like, okay, I'm just clicking buttons now. - And I recognize that it invalidates a lot of my points. Like when we talked about fighting games, that clip of us talking about it and me being like, yeah, fuck it. I got so much shit for that. 'Cause one, first of all, they were like, well, Connor's a league player, so it makes so much sense. And then the other top comments are like, Connor's just a sore loser. That's why he doesn't like fighting games.

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- Yeah, there's a lot of people who are saying, "Yeah, I'm just bad at fighting games and I'm a sore loser. That's why I don't like to do it." And that's so bullshit. If you ever played league, you know what true fucking pain is like. I would rather lose a two minute fighting game any day of the week than lose one league game 'cause it is fucking brutal. - I mean, just from the sounds of it, it just sounds like a shit experience. - Oh, it is. It's terrible. It's fucking awful. - Then stop.

Who knows? - No, because- - Just say that to a crack addict, Joey. - I will. - You can quit crack, just do League. - It is like crack because I will say like the honeymoon period of League, like when you first start learning the game and when you start clicking, it's probably like one of my, some of my fondest gaming experiences in my life when I'm just like, this is a really, really fun game. And it's just,

- I didn't even get to that point. 'Cause I played one game and then five minutes in all the comments said, called me new fag and then kicked me. - So tell me like, what did you hate about League of Legends? Like, won't we throw it? - I mean, well, first of all, I don't like MOBAs to begin with. - Yeah, I mean, there was special text. - So yeah, so there was that. And then just again, like just from what I've seen and from what I've heard from a distance, the league community just looks like a bunch of fucking cucks.

- What do you mean by a bunch of cops? - I've always hated using the word gatekeeping, but my God, league players are like the crowns of gatekeeping. You say anything bad about the game, you try and get into it with no experience or no knowledge of the game whatsoever.

And those communities will, you know, at least a few of them will be like, "Hey, you're trying to get into our game? Welcome. We'll invite you with open arms. But if you suck at the game, then that's your responsibility." Right? And I'm like, "All right, fair enough." - Yeah. - But meanwhile, League is like, "You're not a fucking god at this game from five minutes in, then you're a fucking new fag. Get out."

That was my experience with League. - I mean, League definitely has one of the most toxic communities. - Yeah. - I actively tell people like, just don't get into League. It's not rewarding. - Yeah, and I'm like, I already can't deal with fucking toxic communities to begin with. - I guess I don't really mind that much.

I kind of liked that aspect of games. - I've been on the internet for too long. I don't want to deal with that shit anymore. - Connor's like a toxic gamer. - I have to deal with the anime community, right? Like let alone the league community. - I don't know. What do you think about the argument that like a lot of people get really upset with the idea of like trash talking video games online? Like, what do you think about that? - I think if it's done tastefully, I don't really.

- Yeah, like whenever I see trash talking like the fighting game community, I'm like, that's just fun. - Yeah, it's kind of sad 'cause I feel like in League of Legends, I mean, it's obviously there are some people who say some fucking abhorrent stuff. But like, I think just, you know,

like fucking telling the other team they're bad and stuff is funny as hell. - Oh yeah, exactly. If it's done tastefully, right? Which is there's many ways to do that. - As long as you're not like attacking someone personally. I think it's like, I'm all game for it. Like if someone, if I do a terrible like job in a League of Legends game, I just completely fuck something up.

I fucking hope they type in the old chat to me saying like, lol or something. You know what I mean? Because that's funny to me. Like I want that. - Because you do the same, right? - Oh, a hundred percent. - Yeah. But if it gets to like, you know, some racial xenophobic shit, then I'm just like, all right. - Oh wait, all right. - Please stop. - I mean, obviously. I think there's a draw and a line, but obviously it kind of feels like, especially in League that they've like kind of like cracked down on anything like that.

- But I feel like they had to because it was so far removed from what was acceptable that you're like, you go into like a normal game and people are still toxic as fuck even though it's a fucking normal game. - The problem was that they never enforced any of the rules for so long. So it just kept escalating. I reckon if they enforced like the actual rules from the beginning, it wouldn't have been so bad.

- Right. - I mean, yeah. - But I feel like this is like the same cycle for every competitive game. You know what I mean? Without exception. I mean, you look at something like- - Yeah, I played Overwatch as well. - Yeah, you look at Overwatch. - That was pretty fucking bad. - The first few months, great. Everyone had fucking fun. Everyone was just learning the game. And then like, it's,

- It's the problem of like, when you've played the game enough, you don't play it because it's fun. You play it because like you said, it's just something to do. - And then out from the shadows arose the try-hards. - Dude, I had some of the worst experiences of my life on Overwatch. - Did you actually? - Because League of Legends, right? It's bad, right? It's bad. You see them vile as shit, but at least there's no voice chat. In Overwatch, you're automatically put in like voice chat. - That sounds horrible.

- Well, okay, sometimes you'd have like the funniest moments ever. Like you would meet the coolest people and it was like, you'd always have to remember that whenever you got like the 10 games in a row of like fucking kids and shit. - Right. - Yeah.

- As well, the worst part is in Overwatch, when I used to play it, they implemented a system now where you can queue up for a role, but it used to be six of you get put in, you all might be six tank mains, you all might be six DPS mains, so you'd stop fucking bickering immediately over who gets what. And that's why I always just play fill-in games. I'll just do whatever 'cause I'm like, "I don't fucking care. "Don't shout at me, let's just do it, man." But man, people would say horrible shit on that.

- I wish 12 year olds as well. - I mean, because once you play it enough hours, then you reach this point where you're like, okay, I got to play ranked because otherwise playing this game is kind of like meaningless in a sense, right? - I hate playing normal games of like competitive games. - Yeah, but then once you start getting on the ranks ladder is when I find it stops getting fun because then you reach, everyone reaches a wall, doesn't matter who you are, everyone will reach a wall eventually. And once you reach that wall, you just feel like you stop progressing unless you put like,

so many hours into learning this game and trying to better yourself. And at that point, I understand why people get toxic and angry because then that's the way they're like to invest into like,

like climbing up the ranks ladder and everything. So they feel like they need this to feel like they haven't wasted their time, which let's be honest, unless you're a programmer, you probably are wasting your time with it. - You know what it might be? I think it's just the simple thing that I'm just not into PVP with random people. - Really? - I think that's all it is. Like I'm thinking about it now. I'm like, I've never enjoyed just PVP games to begin with.

Maybe for the exception of like some fighting games, but only if I'm like playing it with friends. I know, right? So like I'll play like a game of smash or like street fighter or Tekken or whatever. If I'm sitting in the same room with you and we're just like having a fun fucking time, right? But I think just the whole idea of PVP against randos on the internet who I don't know or care about. I think that's just the one thing I fucking hate

- I just have this like image of Joey being like, I have fun with friends. And then I think like the angriest I've ever seen Joey is when you're playing against Connor and he was like spamming King K rule at your house. And I'm just like- - No, but that's the thing, right? But that's the thing is that I'm okay with getting angry in situations like that because I know Connor, right?

in front of me, right? So like, that's just fun times, right? Like, yeah, I was pissed off that you were spamming fucking counter with King K. Rool every fucking match. - Joey gets very, very angry when he loses in the smash. - Yeah. But that's what I'm saying though, right? It's like, I already don't like PVP games as it is. Like I'm not a huge fan of PVP as it is because I get angry easily. But especially when it's against people I can't see or I've never heard of, never talked to, just don't know. That anger, I think,

- Yeah, that just like the enjoyment is just completely gone. - I remember you were like, yeah man, no one's beat me in Mario Kart ever. - I did not say that. - You were like, I never lose in Mario Kart. - The absolute slander. - Fake news. - It was something along those lines. You were like, I never lose in Mario Kart. And then I was like, bet.

And then like Joey would be all his friends and I would just fucking crush Joey. - Okay crush is a strong word. - But in recent times we've been playing and it's been pretty 50/50. But yeah, when it was like, which one was it? It's probably when Deluxe came out, the new Mario Kart 8. I was fucking killing Joey. - Yeah, I think so. - Had made like crank game plays, Ethan had like a fucking breakdown.

Do you remember that? We did like a stream where we kept playing Mario Kart. - I only played Baby Park for like five hours. - Until Ethan could beat me. And we must've played it, yeah, for like five hours until he managed to beat me. - We did Baby Park 150 times on stream. We were like, all right, let's like, after like race 20, we were like, all right, if Ethan beats Connor in one race, then we'll end this stream.

And then that was also earlier on that they thought I was cheating or something. - Yeah, Doom was like, he's got a modern switch or something. Like he's winning too many times. - So they made us all change to the same character and the same car and everything. Like so that there was no cheating at all. We're always in the same thing. And he was like, "How are you still beating me every time?" It was so funny. - See, but like that's like, those kinds of like competitive games, I fucking love, right? Like, I don't know.

I don't wanna say the word party games, right? But like- - I mean, they are party games. - I mean, they are party games. Like that's what I fucking love about party games is that yeah, you'll get people who are fucking salty and it is PVP technically, but at the end of the day, it's fucking whatever. It's a fucking Mario Kart game, right? - What do you think about people throwing their controllers, Joey?

- Huh? - What do you think about people throwing controllers? - I mean, I've done it before as well. - Have you actually? - Yeah, I've done it in smash, remember? - Did you really? - Yeah. - I think it's so cringe. No matter how angry I get, I'll be like, but not you. - Yeah.

- Okay, to be fair, I only did it once. - Well, you should have expensive fucking Joy-Cons. I ain't throwing those things. - Oh, no, no, no. I throw like the really cheap shit like GameCube controller, which is like 15 bucks. It's like the budget one. It's like, even if I break this, I can buy another one. It's fine. But the like pro controller- - That YouTuber money here. - Pro controller, I would never. And that's too much of an expensive, like, oh my God. Seeing like Smash compilations of like people just,

absolutely just shocking their controller. - I do love watching Smash tournament rage moments. - Oh, it's so funny. I'm like, dude, it's a party game. Like just chill. - Yeah, but like I was about to ask, what do you think about party games? I mean, do you see Smash as a party game? - Yeah. - Bro, you're gonna piss so many people off. - Dude, Sakurai himself said it was a party game. So it's a fucking party game, all right? - It's a party game that can be played. - It's a party game that can also be competitive. - Imagine like musical chairs if there was a pro league. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I can't wait for the soul in the comments, man. I cannot wait for the soul in the comments. - I mean, look, it's like, look, it's not, I'm not saying that, you know, Smash is not a competitive game. Like it absolutely is. I fucking love watching the competitive scene of Smash Bros. - Yeah. - But it's a competitive game that can also be a party game. You know, like again, like if you said,

- For example, right? If fucking Mario Kart had like a pro league, then yeah, it could probably be a competitive game, but it doesn't. - Why doesn't it though? Okay, here's why I've never understand. How did Smash get so competitive as opposed to basically like every other Nintendo game? - I think because a lot of them are like too random.

Like Mario Kart has way too many random aspects. - That's why I like Smash. Like Smash competitive is like no items, final destination only. - They literally nuke all the randomization. So even the stages they can't move. - So the only like, I think the only way that something like Mario Kart could ever be competitive is if it's just the same course, no items.

- Same course, no items. Everyone's in the same character with the same card. - That'd be so fucking boring. - Yeah, and that's the only reason why, right? - Yeah, I guess so. - Yeah. But like, again, like, you know, I'm sure there's lots of party games out there that could very easily be considered competitive games. - Like what? - Guitar Hero. - Yeah. I mean, that's just the way, that's just going into rhythm games, right? - There was actually competitive games.

- Yeah, that's what I thought. - Rhythm games could very easily be competitive games, but they're not because there's like no real league for it. - But I reckon the only reason why Smash became a competitive game is because of all the fucking Street Fighter games. - I feel like also it's just a nice spectator sports as well. 'Cause I feel like with competitive,

with competitive games, if there's gonna be a league for it, it's gotta be interesting to watch. I feel like that's why league is the biggest e-sport because while I hardly ever play league anymore, I still fucking watch it every year 'cause it is a really fun game to watch as opposed to- - Because there's so much going on.

- Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it feels like it's a game that's designed to also be viewed as well from a third person perspective. - I mean, I used to, when Overwatch was doing the pro league,

My friends used to watch it, but I used to watch it. And I'm like, what the fuck is this? I play this game and there's way too much going on. The commentators can't possibly describe what's going on because all the action happened so fast and it's six different people doing six different things. It's normally, if it's a team fight, it's still like, you can still tell people what's going on. - Yeah, because it's because of the top down view as opposed to Overwatch, you're just like first person. - It's nauseating. Because you'd fucking be following Tracer, Tracer zooms back and then they're switching to the next guy and switching again. It's like, bro, just,

Fuck me. Like, and also I feel that because of the length of league, it's something you can sit down and enjoy. And like, I think the one reason I've really gotten to fighting games is that normally when I'm watching, I mean, e-sports is what I'm saying. When I'm watching the e-sports,

I normally only watch like the finals 'cause I can kind of follow what's going on. It's like the semis and the finals and it's really easy to follow along. But when the group stages are going on, it's like, all right, who's this guy? And by the time I'm finished Googling him, the next guy's on fighting. I'm like, all right, well, okay, who's this guy? And then the fight maybe I wanted to watch is over in three minutes and it's like, okay, well, I guess, yeah, I guess that's it. I guess all the fights are over. Okay, shit.

Like league is quite a long thing and they've got a really good system with the league where it plays like what, like two, there's like every league plays every day now. Like it alternates on season. It's crazy. They've got a set up literally like a football league. - Yeah, it's way more like just a football, like a traditional sports now where you can like kind of like jump in and jump out and see familiar faces and kind of like familiar brands every time.

And I feel like that's kind of helped. It's like the esports scene in league is just, it just seems to keep growing every year, which is fucking insane to me that it's like fucking 10, 11 years old now. How old is league?

- Yeah, and it's still like growing each year internationally, which shows- - The esports is like that. - Yeah, the esports is, which shows the power. But like I enjoy watching fighting games as well. Like the only time I ever get into it is during like Evo or like the big kind of- - Yeah, Trojans as well. - Whenever it's like, oh, why is there a million views on Twitch? Oh, it's Evo.

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as the host of this episode. Why are you laughing? I'm the host Joey, come on. - What does it feel like? What does it feel like? - Host. - As the power. I guess, are we anime podcast?

- I was wondering this yesterday. I was like, I see people on Twitter or Reddit, they talk about like, oh man, I like it when they talk about anime, I don't like it when they talk about anime. I think it's weird, 'cause I guess when we started, it was like, I guess we said we were the anime podcast. - Well, our channel bio I think is a terrible anime podcast. - Does it? - Yeah. - If you go on our about section, that's what it says. - I always never give a fuck that much about anime.

- Wow, just come out and say it. - I always had a genuine question for you, which is, do you see yourself as an anime YouTuber?

- The thing is, I think because I see myself in the same realm with those people. - Well, 'cause you hang out with us, right? - I'm hanging out with you guys. I watch a lot of anime. I think because I make so many anime references and there's so much anime and otaku culture in my videos, I guess I do, but not in the traditional sense, 'cause I don't make videos about anime. - But that's the thing, right? It's like nowadays you make any content that's like

even if you make content that's just like general otaku shit, like you or Aki. Just because like, I think otaku just equals anime now. - Well, I think the type of people who watch my stuff are people who consume anime. - Right. - But I'm not necessarily talking about anime. - I don't know, it's weird, right? Because I've been like, as the OG anime YouTuber, it's so weird seeing anime content on YouTube nowadays. And this is just me thinking out loud, but,

do people even want to see as much like anime content as much anymore? And 'cause I feel like it's been really weird seeing content on anime content on YouTube in 2020, where it feels like anime content doesn't even perform that amazingly anymore compared to doing like anime themed content, as opposed to I am going to make content on a certain show. - It's otaku content.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, when we started the podcast, I was kind of worried. I was like, fuck it. They're gonna like wanna talk about anime every week. 'Cause I can't talk about anime. - I mean, that is technically speaking, that is what we sought out to do. - Yeah, 'cause I remember when we were discussing it, I remember in my head, I'm like, I'm just gonna like bring up other stuff.

We'll just see how it does, right? Like, I could have backfired so much. - It's funny because the only, the time I talked about anime most is on the podcast with you guys, right? Rarely do we actually talk about anime off screen. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I feel like there's more people, like, I guess if you want to get into it, like more people way qualified than us to talk about it. Like are just consuming anime. All they do is talk about anime.

I also, in my opinion, like when I do wanna consume stuff about anime, I often don't want that kind of person who's just like, all they do is anime. I kinda want just like a monkey brain person kind of opinion. - Like a personality who also likes anime. - Yeah, which is why like, I think the only anime reviews I still watch, which is fucking weird to say, is I watch critical reviews.

- Because I know that when I'm getting that, I'm getting a review from someone. - That's also like, someone like Critical can pretty much just do content on anything. - But I think because I've been on YouTube for so long and I've been throughout all of my anime watching lifespan, if you will. Whenever I wanted to see if I wanted to watch a show, I would just go and watch.

a review from someone who all they do is talk about anime, all they do is consume anime or attack culture. And it's just really refreshing to now go and watch someone who doesn't really care that much about anime, but they do like it a lot. - Like it's not their entire life. - Right, like it's just like, I'm a normal guy, I do things, but I also watch a lot of anime. - Yeah, I feel like that attitude really reflects on how anime content performs on YouTube as well. It's because,

I feel like if you only do anime content and you like, you like only, I feel like because anime has gotten so much more mainstream in the past few years, it's not so much about being an anime fan. You know what I mean? Like there are definitely channels that's, you know, I'm probably like one of the biggest where you focus solely on anime, but I feel like there, you hit a ceiling, right? You hit the ceiling of, okay, if you only target yourself towards anime fans, that community now is so only so big, but,

- But anime as a medium is actually bigger than just the anime community. 'Cause like you can be like a true like anime fan, follow seasonal anime and everything like that. But then there's like a way bigger community that knows about anime and watches the odd anime show, but they also don't have as much of a vested interest. - Are you talking about normies, Scott?

- Maybe I am talking about normies. Like they don't have a vested interest or they're not as invested. - I basically just summed it up. I like watching normal reviews. - It's the difference between anime fans and people who are fans of anime.

I feel there's like a big difference, right? 'Cause like an anime fan is like someone where it's like anime is their life. Like they love everything about it. They'll watch anything. They'll dedicate their life to it. And then there are fans of anime where it's like- - I got the perfect word for this. There are anime fans and then there are weebs. - Yeah. You know what I mean? - You're so fucking proud of that. - I figured it out.

- I figured it out, I figured out the system. - You got it, you got it. - Yeah, yeah. So just disregard everything I just said. - No, because someone is like, 'cause as you were saying- - I also wanna say that like, we like weebs, we're weebs. - Yeah, we are weebs, that's why. 'Cause like, I was thinking to myself, like what differentiates someone like Critical from someone like in the anime community? Because I'm,

It made me think, remember the good old days of gatekeeping and- - You mean 2020? - Yeah. Like the old days where like, you're not a true anime fan unless you've watched XXX show.

Like, oh, you're an anime fan? Name me 20 different shows that are- - You're an anime fan, link me on my anime list. - Name every anime, or wait, Jerry's done. - Yeah, I've done that. - I'm like, it's good that nowadays I feel like gatekeeping, especially in the anime community, it's like, it's not died, but it's definitely way less than it used to be. But I feel like someone like Critical, I feel like he has watched a lot of anime, right? And he does definitely- - I think he actually watches more anime than me.

- Yeah, I think he does as well. I think he does as well. But I don't know, like you look at "Creative Google" and you're like, you're not a weeb. You know what I mean? You're just a normal anime fan. - Felix was like that too. Like at one point he was doing a bunch of like anime reviews and he was doing a lot of videos on anime. And I'm just like, okay,

I can tell like you like anime, but obviously your entire life is not anime. - Right, and I think that's why people really liked his reviews. - Right. - Yeah. - Because it felt like a very honest. - It felt like a new, it was a new perspective of opinions on certain shows. - Because I feel like when maybe you're an anime YouTuber,

when you're reviewing an anime, it's like, I'm reviewing it because it's an anime. Whereas I feel like, like if Critical or PewDiePie or any other person makes a review who doesn't talk about anime content, it feels like they have something to say because they've gone out of their way to make a video about something they normally wouldn't make a video about to talk about it. Whereas, you know, Garnt talking about Attack on Titan season four, of course Garnt's gonna talk about Attack on Titan season, you know what I mean? Like it's expected and it's like- - Because he wants those views. - Right, but yeah, but-

Obviously, I mean, but if someone else does it right, it's like, oh, they must really like be passionate about what they're trying to convey here. And I think that's something that's really refreshing and that's something that maybe this is again, this could be from being a YouTuber myself, right? And I can understand the thought process of why they're talking about it. - Yeah.

- I don't know, I guess. And that's why I think I've distanced myself from anime in some aspects. - And it's like not to undermine the passion of actual anime fans, right? Like, you know, I'm sure there's- - I still fucking love the culture of anime. - I'm sure there's a massive amount of like hardcore anime fans who will make Attack on Titan videos because they genuinely love the show. - Of course, of course, yeah, sorry. I'm not trying to say that- - Yeah, no, no, no, of course, of course, of course. Yeah, but like, no, no, I get what you're saying. It's like,

when you do see that anime review from someone who you don't expect an anime review from. It's just like, "Ooh, okay." - 'Cause like looking on the internet now, there's like so many low key anime fans that, you know, that's- - They're just like suddenly coming out

of the woodwork. - Yeah, I know. - It's like, yeah, I've always been an anime fan. - Yeah, it's like sometimes you see these little hints every now and again where it's like this completely normal YouTuber that you don't expect to watch anime and they like make a very subtle anime reference and you're just like, wait,

- Are you a weeb? Do you have something to say? - That's why I always get like scared and surprised when a YouTuber who I thought had nothing to do with anime follows me on Twitter. I'm like, something's up. Something's up. Do you perhaps like anime? - Or maybe they've just seen like, wow, this guy likes a lot of porn that I like.

- Yeah. - I should follow him back. - No, 'cause I remember I was watching like one of the latest internet historian videos like a few weeks ago. And then like, you know, it was a very normal internet historian video. Then right at the end, he was like giving some shout outs to like his other social medias. And then he mentioned like streaming and everything. And then he showed a clip of Corona and I'm just like,

- Where did this come from? - Are you serious? - Yeah, yeah, he did. It's like right at the end as well. So it's at the point where most people click off. - Good taste, good taste. - I'm like, are you a cultured individual too? Would you like to come onto the podcast and talk about the goddess that is Corona? - Oh my God. - 'Cause I'd be down. - Yeah, but...

- Yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating to watch, especially I'd say in like the last two, three years of just all these people just suddenly coming out, you know, saying- - How do you feel about anime being like way more normalized? - How do I feel about it going mainstream? - Yeah, normalized. I was trying to think of the right word 'cause is it mainstream yet? - I mean, that's the eternal debate, isn't it? It's like, is it truly mainstream yet? - I don't think so.

- It depends on your definition of mainstream, right? - I mean, it's not like everyone's talking about 24/7, but is everyone, you know? - I mean, people argued that like, you know, oh, Demon Slayer was trending on Twitter, right? It must've gone mainstream. - And I'm like, I don't think it's mainstream. I think it's like about,

three, four years away from like properly being mainstream I'd say. - I don't know. I feel like every time there's a big show, it helps a lot. - Yeah, exactly. - It's certainly on its way. - I mean, Attack on Titan season four will hopefully help a lot in terms of like, hey, here's a completed masterpiece, hopefully. - I mean, the amount of money that the fucking Demon Slayer movie made in like the first like two weeks of it coming out. - I mean, it's still like dwarf numbers compared to like-

- Proper, proper. - Giant blockbuster. - Oh yeah. - I mean, it's $45 million in the first weekend, which is amazing. But I mean, fuck, Avengers got like a billion in like the first weekend or something ridiculous, which is obviously like, you know, not a huge comparison. - But then again, if I heard Robert Downey Jr's voice in Demon Slayer, it would probably get more, right?

- And again, it is Japan. So it's kind of a very isolated market. So it's kind of hard to say like how well it would do. - Yeah, that's why I say that it's still like a few years from being like properly mainstream. But at this point, it's not like anime itself isn't mainstream, but at least

pretty much everyone knows what anime is now. - It's accepted worldwide. - There's never this debate of you mentioned an anime and people are like, what language are you speaking? - What is an anime? - What is an anime? - It's weird because I think that there's,

40, 50 year olds online who you talk to who get all the anime references and keep up with it. But then I've got 25 year old friends in the UK who are like, what's that? Like, what's a Death Note? What's that? No, legit. Like, so it's, I think we almost get our like perceptions skewed to that, especially ours, 'cause we are surrounded

by like-minded individuals to an extent. We're surrounded with people online. We never interact with people really outside of the online bubble. And even when we leave our house, right, we're normally going to an event with other online people, people who work in the same industry, right? But when I go back to the UK or I go back to Wales and I talk to my friends, they literally have like no fucking clue about any anime. Maybe they'll be like, "What's that one punch man or something?"

- But the fact that they've heard about that is fucking massive. - They might, but they're my age. I would expect them to be like, come on, you're 24, you should know what Death Note is, come on. - Yeah, I mean, like with titles like that, as long as you're on the internet, it's pretty fucking hard to avoid, right? - Yeah, yeah. - But like, it's weird 'cause like, when you go into those kind of social circles and you realize, oh,

you don't spend all your time on Twitter and seeing all the fucking drama and everything happening online. You're just watching fucking Love Island or whatever and just like happy with that. - Fucking hate reality TV. - That's like a whole new world. But even some people that I know who don't spend any time on the internet and everything like that, still I've heard of some of these like bigger shows. And to me that is still like,

a massive step than what it was even like five years ago and like going back 10 years ago. - Because you had to like seek out that shit. - Yeah, the reason I started YouTube was to make friends so I could speak to you about it. And now I don't really want to speak about it.

- I mean, I do, I just- - Fuck these friends. - I mean, again, going back to the podcast, it's like, I did wanna speak about it, but I didn't wanna make a whole podcast talking about it. I wanna make a podcast and talk shit for like two hours. - I mean, I think the only reason why we labeled ourselves an anime podcast is because all three of us individually

- I guess it was like a comfort thing. But then when we got in the flow of it, I think we realized that like, I think us just chatting is like- - Yeah, because I remember like when we first were conceptualizing this podcast, we were like, all right, let's just like, maybe like the first like 10 or 20 episodes, we should like solely focus on the stuff that people know us for. And then maybe every now and then, you know, we'll slide in some other stuff. - I do not want to do this. - We'll slide in some other stuff and then,

episode one rolls around, don't mention anime single time. I think we only talked about "Attack on Titan" for like 20 minutes in the first episode. - I've watched a lot of anime podcasts. I mean, I watched "Pod Taku".

"Okay, well this is the thing, right? "There's only so much you can fucking say about anime." And like, I feel like a lot of the times it's like three or four people who regurgitate the same point with slightly different wording back to each other. And they're like, "Hmm, yes, I agree." And it's like, okay, cool. I mean, some people are looking for that, but to me it's like not exciting anymore. I don't know why. - Yeah, because there's so much of it out there. - There's too much anime. And I've gotten to the point now where,

I don't really have as much time as I'd like to do everything that I want to do. So now I just wait until the season's over and I'm like, right, so what was the best show guys? What was the-

- What was the show that was worthy? - 'Cause I feel like out of the three of us, I probably watch the most anime. - Yeah, you do, you do. - Yeah. - I'm the most normie here, everyone knows that. - Yeah, and we've got like a spectrum here where Joey's like, "I don't even watch anime anymore, I just read manga." Even though I'm like the anime man. - Yeah, he's the anime man who reads more manga than like anyone. - Yeah, and I feel like 2020 has been the year where I have watched the least amount of anime like ever.

in probably like the last five years. And partly that's partly due to the fact that I feel like 2020 has just been a really weak year for anime. - It has. - Yeah, like some of it is not the faults of like the anime itself. It's just the world situation right now where it's just less shows being made. So it's just, it's been really weird because I've,

because I've been watching less anime, I've had to find my enjoyment from like other things like VTubers and gacha games. And it's really like broadened my horizons to like other kind of anime subcultures and everything in like the weeb subculture and everything like that. - The otaku just overall otaku culture is like really just expanding, I think just in general with the success of, you know, the aforementioned like VTubers and gacha games and all that shit. And it's just, I don't know.

It's really interesting to watch, especially as someone who's been in that realm for most of my life. - Yeah. - Do you find consuming media in 2020 to be a bit worse in general, just due to the climate of everything going on right now? - I mean, I find that consuming media periods

has become worse in general. I don't know. - Because of 2020 or just in general? - Just in general. I feel like there's just too much media now. - I think it has to do mostly with like the environment that we're like placed in, right? It's like for a lot of people consuming media is really the only thing we can do to like,

- I think that's almost like a little bit about it as well is that 2020 has just been so, I mean, everyone can relate to this, right? It's been shit, right? - Unless you're from the future and you're watching this. 2020 was a shit year. - It's been kind of shit. Every time like I have free time to do it, I'm like,

"Ah, this is free time. "I could have been doing something fun "and doing something with my life, "but I'm stuck here watching this anime "so I got nothing better to do." And it's kind of sad. It doesn't feel like I'm really choosing to do it. It feels like I'm doing it out of like default. - Obligation. - Yeah, I got nothing better to do.

And you know, woe is me, I can't enjoy anime, right? Who fucking cares? But like at the end of the day, I'm just trying to explain why I guess my enjoyment right now of like anime especially, it's probably been the thing that's dropped off most. - Oh no, I've definitely like, I hate to like admit it to myself, but I've definitely had a massive fucking burnout with anime. Like just not only because like this year's anime has been kind of mid, but also just the fact that, yeah, I don't know. I've just been doing this shit for so long now where it's like-

- You know, I made a video like six months into my YouTube career, like this is like five years ago now. Like why I don't watch much anime anymore. And in that video, I think it's actually still up. In that video, I'm just kind of like, yeah, like, I don't know, it's weird. I just started making YouTube videos and I just don't watch much anime anymore. I kind of watch like two or three a season at most.

And then I realized like, I thought that would go back to normal. Never did go back to normal. I've just been at that same stage the whole time. - I mean, I feel like that's just the normal cycle of a fucking anime fan. - Yeah, what I realized is like, when you first get into anime, you have that period when you start watching a fuck ton of anime. I thought it would be like, okay, well,

- You thought that would last forever? - Well, I thought that, okay, when that honeymoon period, if you will, ended, I thought, well, you know, maybe next summer when I have a lot of free time, it'll come back round. I told myself that like every year, just never has. And I realized, oh, this is just like the new normal. - And then you wake up first day of the summer break and you're like,

I have nothing to do. - I feel like it was a real tell for me this year, especially when I always felt like I was behind in anime. Well, like I don't have enough time to keep up with everything I wanted. And then in the one year where you have the most free time to do whatever you want, it just like watching anime,

- Felt like a chore at points. Cause you're just like, I'm not taking a break from something else. I just feel like I'm doing this cause I have nothing else to do. - You start making excuses like, you know, when you were back at school and you had to study, right? It's like, I have to clean my room. I have to go shopping. - This is just the existential episode of the podcast. What are we here for anyway? - Are we truly an anime podcast? - Why do we watch anime?

- For fun. Yeah, I don't know. - Okay, by the time this will be out, the drifting episode will be out. And then the Cali episode will be out. And then we're filming another thing that's coming out soon. - Second special OVA. - Second special. - I know we spoke about this on YouTube burnout, but I feel like a lot of my energy that was once anime and consuming content has just been pushed in different avenues. And I feel like that's-

- All my energy has been pushed into trash taste. - And again, we spoke about that. I don't like talking about topics that we spoke about, but it's like, I guess I wanted to talk about this topic in general, just because I know that we get a lot of comments being like, "They don't really talk about anime anymore." But then there's also people on the other side of the spectrum. - I feel like it's 50/50. - Yeah, there's some people who are like, "Oh, I fucking hate it when they talk about anime."

- I wonder to the viewers, do you prefer when we speak about anime or not? I mean, we're gonna speak about it regardless when we want to, but it's nice to hear your opinion. - Yeah, we wanna hear your opinions, but at the end of the day, we're gonna talk about whatever the fuck we wanna talk about.

But like, yeah, no, but that to me is just like reassuring that we have an audience that, because I always thought, oh yeah, like 99.9% of the people who are subscribed to and watch Trash Taste are only there because they like anime. - Yeah, I mean, I thought, I mean, when we started the podcast, I knew it was gonna be a risk being like,

being like, let's just talk about ourselves. Let's just fucking talk about life. - Because there's someone who's pigeonholed themselves into that side of things. - You've never really spoke about yourself publicly. And I just wanted to, 'cause I'm like, man, I feel like people have this. - 'Cause I love myself.

I just feel like I'm a gift. I mean, 'cause on your chat, I really thought that as a YouTuber, there was like this image that people had of me. And I really just wanted to like talk about myself and help, well not help, just like, I don't know,

the image people had of me be more true. So when they watch my videos, they might see me behave in a certain way, but when they go and watch "Trash Taste", they know what I'm really like. They know what I'm a show, right? They know that it's like- - Yeah, well, I mean, that's why I like to preface it by saying like on "Trash Taste", we're not the anime man Gigguk and C-Dawg. We're Joey, Garnt, and Colin, right? Because like, I like to think that how you guys see us on this show is the closest to reality of how we actually are.

Whereas like, you know, on our main channels, of course, like any good main channel, there's a performative side to it, right? Where it's like, we're acting as like that character. - I mean, my content on my main channel is like way different from anything we do on Trash Taste. And that's why like working on some of like the more

ambitious projects on Trash Taste. It's been like a breath of fresh air to me 'cause it's just something different. - The drifting video was a challenge all around. I mean, that was like-

- I mean, that was a challenge on every fucking end. I mean, we briefly talked about like how much effort we put in that video, but holy hell, I learned so much from just doing the episodes and just seeing how much, like how all the little things you don't think about until the day of the shoot, right? - By the way, go check it out if you haven't. It's in the description. - I mean, I really wanna make more, but also want some more help 'cause like, I feel like

- Being in charge of all the tech is so worrying. It's like, what is Joey's might work in? - We need to start hiring like staff. - People living in Japan. - We're hiring. - But what were we saying? Fuck it. - About like the, is Trash Taste an anime podcast or not? - Right, right. - We were just talking about the evolution of the anime community in the past.

past years and how popular it's gotten. So like, here's the question, where'd you see the anime community and the anime fandom in like the next few years?

- It's really hard to say because I mean- - Honestly, same. I think it'll be the same-ish. - You think it'll be the same? - I think it'd be the same, but definitely we're gonna start to see more, as you put it, weebs than actual like anime fans, right? Like, because I feel that the whole genre of anime fans is kind of like, I don't wanna say it's dying, but it's slowly becoming,

not as like in the spotlight as it was before. - Like saying you're an anime fan is sounding more and more like you're just saying you're a gamer. You know what I mean? It just means nothing 'cause everyone's a gamer. You know what I mean? - I remember when I used to play online games like "Leo Legends" and I would make like a weeb joke or whatever. And then like people would be like, "You're a fucking weeb, you disgust."

but now it would be like one person in the lobby who doesn't know the reference. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I mean, I genuinely don't think that much will change. - Soon we're gonna be calling ourselves otaku girls instead of gamer girls, right? - Yeah, I'm an otaku. - I wonder, do you ever think that maybe like the degenerate side of anime might hold it back from going,

more mainstream? - No, I feel like that subculture is always gonna be there. - Yeah. - Because I've- - If anything it's grown. - Yeah, 'cause right now, right now it's like people were scared that anime becoming mainstream would make this degenerate side of the, degenerate side of anime like kind of calm down a bit. But if anything, just because there's so much more anime being made nowadays, you don't really have to pick a- - But who the fuck thinks that it would calm down the degenerate side?

- I mean, I've seen comments online to be like- - Yeah, I think the general stigma is that. - Oh my God. - But as someone who is in the degenerative side- - You see how much Pokemon porn there is? That stuff doesn't chill out with more people. - As someone on the degenerative side, like seeing all these like new faces come into it, these just so wholesome, like just pure hearted people coming into it being like, "What is hentai?" And I'm just like, "Let me show you."

- Let me open your world. - Yeah, I'm like the joker in that case. I love seeing people suffer through this and just like realizing that the world that they're living in is actually burning from the inside. - Joey just wants to see the world burn. - Yeah, I love seeing the world burn. - All righty then. - Just be like, let me teach you a little thing about doujin codes, okay? - Yeah, no, but I feel like,

because the big change I've seen is not in like, not in the content of anime that's being made, but just the sheer amounts of anime that's being made. Like this season we have like 38 fucking shows airing the season. - I just couldn't give a fuck. - Which is like, if you try to keep up with everything, that's watching three seasons of anime in one fucking week. Who the fuck's doing this? You know what I mean? - Because 20 years ago, I think I remember this from a video I made, I think 20 years ago in like early 2000s. - Yeah.

Each season we had seven shows.

- Which is much more manageable. - There was a period like 10 to 20 years ago where you could legitimately follow everything that was going on in the season and be kept up with like the conversation with what was coming out because there wasn't that much to watch. And now it's just, okay, what kind of anime fan are you? Do you like the mainstream Shonen stuff? Do you like, you know, degenerate stuff, idol stuff, whatever, or like a mixture of everything. Like you could pick and choose whatever mood you're in

- There's an anime for every niche and every fetish now. - And the thing is like, I feel like the quality of anime in general has gotten a little better because everything like, I feel like everything is just good. Everything's just like- - Because you got to stand out now. - Yeah, exactly. - It's like fucking TV. Like TV is so good now. There is so many fucking good TV shows that like every week you get a recommended like a 9.5 out of 10, you're like, well fuck, I mean,

I barely finished "Haus of Cards" and then look what happened to that. - But like the problem with that is it's like biggest first world problem in the world. When everything is good. - Everything's too good. - When everything's good, nothing stands out anymore. Like sometimes I watch a seasonal anime now and it's like, this is like the biggest seven to eight out of 10 in the seasonal anime and I just forget it.

And I compare like these, like what I would call now like average shows. And I compare it to some of like the kind of like the mid shows that I would watch back when I was getting into anime. And they're like way better. But for some reason, I like, I remember watching it like a show like off the top of my head, maybe something like "Darker Than Black." Which is also, I fucking enjoyed that show. But it's like, I think back and I'm like, if that showed air nowadays, it would just wouldn't stand out at all.

- I love that show. - Yeah, that's the thing though, right? It's like, you know, normally in an out of 10 rating, five is the average. - Yeah. - And it really says something when nowadays seven or eight is the average. - This episode is sponsored by Skillshare.

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which is going off from what I was saying before, where I feel like it's just harder to consume media now because just less things stand out. And there's so much choice that sometimes you have, you ever get that point where you're like, you want, you sit down, you have like your lunch or something. You're like, oh, let's, let's put it, let's put something on a lunch. And then you spend like fucking 15 minutes scrolling down your fucking anime list or your Netflix or something. And then you end up finishing your lunch by the time you like finished scrolling down and looking at everything. - Yeah. - You know? - Yeah.

- I just clicked the first thing into my YouTube recommended. It's half decent. - Really? - Yeah, 'cause I'm like, if I know I'm gonna be eating, like I can't put Netflix songs. I know I'm gonna eat the food before the credits even fucking finish. - Yeah, I always have to put on YouTube, but like for me, it's like, it's the opposite. I put on a video where I'm like, okay, yeah, I can rewatch that. It's usually a video that I know I enjoyed and I know I liked, but has the replayability that I can watch it again during lunch.

So weirdly enough, I don't actually go out and like look for new videos during like a lunch break or something. Like I need to be like in that mood of like discovery. All right. - But before I go to bed, the amount of times I've opened Netflix and I had the luck and just been like,

- Well, all of these seem like I'd probably have fun, but fuck, I mean, I don't know. I guess I'll put report of the week on them watching me to fucking grow. I don't know. - Yeah, exactly. - Here's a question for you though, Connor. You said you're like, you watch way less anime now than you used to. Would you say that maybe you might be growing out of it in any sense of the word? Like it just doesn't fit your lifestyle anymore? - You're maturing out of anime? - Yeah. - No, I mean, I still love anime. I like a bang of sherrys, but I think I've just,

I don't know, stop fucking lying to myself. I think because of the position I was in, I felt indebted to anime, like I had to watch it. Back when I first started, I was like, "I'm an anime YouTuber, I have to watch it, I have to keep up with it." So I can be like, I can keep up in the hot takes. But I think,

maybe like two, three years ago, I just kind of realized like, I don't like doing this. I'm just gonna watch the biggest shows that come out and enjoy them and have a great time. I love anime, right? The way I can- - Like you don't care to like go out and like discover if the show is good or not, right? - No, I have no ambition to do that. I'll just wait until everyone agrees a show is good. I'll watch it 'cause I know the show's gonna be good. I've had so many experiences where I've just watched an anime that's so fucking boring that I'm like,

- Okay, I mean, yeah, I guess "Decadence" was fine. - Did you watch "Decadence"? - I watched like three episodes of "Decadence" 'cause everyone was hyping it up. - Yeah, everyone was hyping it up. Is it good? - I totally agree with this. - Really? - There's so many shows nowadays which is seasonal anime and I feel like people only hype it up because it's a seasonal anime and there's nothing else to talk about. So someone's got to hype up something. - I mean, it's really telling because 90% of those shows that get hyped up while it's airing, you don't hear about after it's finished.

- I also just watch a lot more YouTube. Like I think on average, I watch like 40 hours a week of YouTube. - I agree, yeah, I watch a lot more YouTube. - That's a lot of YouTube. The thing is right, okay, YouTube tells me, 'cause you can actually look on the app and it can actually tell you how much YouTube you watch a week. And it'll tell you how much you watch on average a day. And it's something like four hours a day I watch or something.

on average at least. But like I said, 40 seconds. - I mean, I'm probably the same. I just haven't checked. - 'Cause the problem is, right, is that it's not- - Wait, it's on the YouTube app? - Yeah, it's on the YouTube app. It's like deep in the settings. - Oh no, oh no. - So, I mean, I'll look while I'm explaining it. But I remember that there was a,

Because essentially, right, when I go to the gym, right, for two hours, 'cause I have YouTube premium, so you can lock your phone and listen to audio. I'll watch YouTube videos with just audio only. So that's like two hours. When I take a shit, you bet I'm putting the YouTube video on for two minutes. When I'm brushing my teeth, YouTube video. When I'm in the bath, YouTube video. When I'm working and it's not important, I don't need to listen, YouTube video. - Yeah, I have four and a half hours daily. - See, did you think that you watch four hours of YouTube? - No, no, I've apparently already just today watched three hours.

- I mean, I know that I watch a hell of a lot of YouTube. - God doesn't wanna know. - What? - If I don't look, I don't have to know. - Dude, on Sunday I watched eight hours of YouTube. - Jesus. - I don't even remember doing that. - No, because here's the thing, why like,

I've watched 50 hours in the last week. - Yeah, because here's the thing about YouTube is that it's just content on YouTube is just that much easier to consume, right? 'Cause you know when you, do you have like a kind of like a subconscious value system when it comes to like content? So when you watch like a Netflix show or something, it's like you're sitting down and you're paying the fuck attention, right? But when it's a YouTube video, you could be doing whatever and you just can have it on in the back

and just not really give a shit about it. - Yeah, I also like keeping up with YouTube a lot. Like I think I'm way more invested in like YouTube like as a- - As a subculture? - Yeah, than anime, honestly. Like I'm like, I've,

been following YouTube like religiously for like seven years. So I know all like the drama, everything that's ever happened on YouTube. I'm sure like if we did a quiz, I'm sure it aced that quiz. - Are you a YouTube fan? - I'm a big YouTube fan. - I know exactly what you mean. 'Cause it's exactly the same in like every subculture of YouTube as well. 'Cause like I know a lot of AniTubers who I swear spend most of their time watching other AniTubers as opposed to watching anime. And I feel like every AniTuber has been through that stage where you find yourself

to watching more AniTubes than you do watching anime. - Yeah, yeah. It's like I could watch this anime or I could watch this AniTuber talking about that anime. - Exactly. And now it's just grown from I watch other AniTubers to now I just watch other YouTubers in general. Rather than like my anime consumption has remained the same this entire time, but my consumption of like watching other anime YouTubers and watching other YouTubers has just grown immensely. - Yeah.

And that's why I feel like it's so weird whenever I see the comments and you know the comment I'm talking about where it's like, oh, I'm having trouble keeping up with anime but a two hour trash taste episode. Give me that shit any day of the week, you know what I mean? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I guess because it's easy to digest, right? I think with anime, I mean, Joey can't relate but you know, the subtitles, I gotta fucking focus, you know? It's like, all right, okay, fine. I guess I'll pay attention. - Well, I mean, I have to focus on listening.

- That's true, true. - But I still, yeah, I mean. - I don't know, I guess it's sad 'cause I just don't wanna admit that I've fallen out of anime, really. I think that's the saddest part. - Especially because you've like followed it for all this time, right? - Yeah, I guess it's kind of sad being like, I guess I'm just not into anime as much as I used to be.

- I don't know. - Do you think though that's because- - Like I said, it's just part of growing up. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yes, it is, man. - But do you think as well that it might have to do with the fact that you have grown up or is it the fact of like just the quality of the shows or like the type of shows that are coming out? - No, it's definitely not the quality. I mean, we got better anime now, let's be honest. - Yeah. - The anime is better now than it was. - But do you feel like maybe it's just you enjoy different kinds of media now? 'Cause let's remove anime from the equation, but what's like the last TV show you properly, properly enjoyed? Anime or not?

- "Great Pretender?" - Okay. - Okay. - And that was like, that's an anime. And that was like two, three months ago. - Yeah. - Right, right. - What the fuck have I been watching? - YouTube apparently. - It is. - 'Cause here's what I've realized where, you know, when I find a show that I really enjoy, it's so rare nowadays 'cause we consume so much media, but so much of it is just fucking forgettable. And that's why you're like, you do watch a lot of YouTube, right? But,

Is that the same kind of enjoyment that you get from watching some of your favorite shows that you remember from as a kid or when you're marathoning a show and you're just really, really into it. And I feel like just because we consume more media doesn't necessarily mean that we value media the same. It's just, I feel like we've just programmed our brain to never have dead space so we're always consuming something. - And I guess 'cause of the age of the internet and having

being more knowledgeable about anime, especially in our position, right? It's almost commodified. So I guess it's kind of weird 'cause it's, I think my motivation for wanting to watch anime now is to just feel in the loop, not because I actually wanna watch that show, which is why I've just fully admitted to myself, I'm just only gonna watch the big shows that everyone agrees to. - But that's the thing, right? It's like, it definitely doesn't help when,

everyone else around you was like, "Hey, have you watched this show? Have you watched this show? Have you watched this show? What are your thoughts on this show?" - Because to us it's different now. 'Cause to us it's like anime has become a job and someone who watches as much anime as me, like I can see a show and I can be like, I can see that this is a good show. You know what I mean? I can break it down to be like, yeah, I know why this is a good show. I know why people are hyping this up. But when you reach a point where you just kind of

of the seasonal cycle, you kind of see like the, you kind of see the patterns, you know? There's always these, the same- - You're also just turning it into a fucking conveyor belt. - I had that exact experience when I went to go watch the "Demon Slayer" movie. I was like, I took one look at the poster and I was like, I know exactly what's gonna happen in this movie. - Yeah, yeah, exactly right. - Like just from like, oh yeah, this character's gonna do this and this character's gonna do this. And sure enough, I was like 90% correct on what happened. And like, is that a good thing?

I mean, I still enjoyed it, but it's like, you know, the whole like wow factor was completely gone. And I think that's the entire reason why I've kind of been burned out on anime and I've been much more into manga because like nowadays, especially nowadays, everybody is talking about every anime that matters. It's almost like inescapable. But the manga side of things, because like 90% of manga don't have translations, it's still a mystery. It's what the anime community was

- Like 10 years ago. - I totally agree. And that's why I love going into the world of manga 'cause in anime, you don't get that feeling of discovering that hidden gem anymore. There's no feeling of discovery 'cause everyone knows what everything good is. - You know what's gonna come out three seasons from now. - There's no surprise anymore. Even when there's a good show that I can recommend someone watching the season, to me, I'm just like,

I can tell this is a good show and I can tell people would enjoy it, but I don't enjoy it in the same kind of like, wow, this is something new to me. I'm like, okay, this is just a very solid show this season and I can recommend people watch it if they want to experience X kind of thing. But when I go into manga, I'm just like, I don't know what's gonna be good. I don't know what's gonna be bad. - The amount of times I've finished reading a manga series and I've said to myself, how was no one talking about this?

is way more than any amount of anime that I've ever covered. Because again, like that whole mystery of- - Well, it's an event, right? As well, like you know it's coming out this season. It's one of the things. You're watching weekly, right? Like it's gonna end. Like manga is so ongoing that it's hard to, I think, have that kind of hype for it.

- Yeah, and there's like way more, I feel like there's way more choice with manga as well. And it's such a vast world that- - It's fucking low. - Yeah, that I don't feel like anyone's gonna be able to read everything, so- - Challenge accepted. - I just realized this is literally, yeah, like you said, first world problems, the podcast.

My toilet seat temperature is one Celsius off what I like. What can I say? - I'm dead, I'm dead. - No, I mean, it totally is. But I mean, it's totally, I feel like a problem that has come with this new generation where there's just so much to do, so much to watch. It's impossible to- - There's too much to do. - There's too much to do. - It's like that whole fucking meme of like, you know, white people rewatching "The Office" for like the 10th time. 'Cause they're just like, "That's funny, I like it."

- I've rewatched "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" more times than I can fucking count. - It's fucking amazing. - I feel like because there's so much we've desensitized ourselves to so much as well. And like, I look at someone like you who probably watches more content, more media than you ever have in your life. But thinking back about what's actually memorable,

- It's hard, right? It's hard. - I think you were like, "What the fuck?" Like when I play League of Legends or play games, I watch YouTube videos on the other screen. - Yeah, I can't do that. - Yeah, I can't do that. - You can't? - It's the same as people who can watch a TV show while reading a book. It's like, how do you do that? - Well, that's fucked up. - Yeah, right? It's like, how do you do that? Or like listening to music while reading a book. I can't even do that. - I can do that.

- I can't do that. - Okay, here's a question. Do you remember the first time you watched a YouTube video at 1.5 or two times speed? - No, I've never done that. - Have you ever done that? - Of course, yeah. - I've never done that. - And I realized, 'cause I realized why would I ever want this? That just means I'm not enjoying the content

how it's supposed to be like enjoyed. And then I realized, wait, I could just consume this content in a faster, in like a shorter time period. - There are people who legit watch every video in like two times. - And then I've realized it was like a habit like that was subconsciously forming. And then I realized, wait, I'm not even fucking enjoying this content anymore. I'm just, literally, I'm just watching it just to keep up. And I'm like, wait, that's pretty fucked.

that's kind of like hacking my mind into what fucking entertainment is at the end of the day. You know what I mean? It's like slowly turning into like an info wars. What is entertainment? Are we consuming too much media? - I do think times two should be reserved for shitty tutorials that take too fucking long. - I totally agree with you. - I don't trust anyone who opens up a tutorial and doesn't immediately skip to two minutes in. Like there's so many fucking channels that are like,

- Tutorials like, yo, what's up guys? I'm like, you should not, YouTubers who do tutorials should not be allowed to do intros. Like you should basically just tell me what- - Just give me the information. - Yeah, just fucking get right into it, dude. Like, yo, what's up guys? I'm uploading daily content. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Next week I'm live streaming. I'm gonna be talking about that.

- I remember the other day, 'cause I was trying to like fix something with my cam link, right? And I was like, okay, I need to figure out some issues with cam link. And there was this video, which was like, you know, five issues with cam link and how to fix it. It was like a 10 minute video. I'm like, all right, like maybe it's gonna go like two minutes each, right? - It doesn't need to be 10 minutes. - And I'm like, dude, this dude, like legit, like swear to God, for the first six minutes, he was just plugging all his shit and like trying to add like jokes and stuff. And he's like, all right, let's get into the meat of the video. And I'm like, there's only four minutes left.

How are you gonna talk about five problems and how to solve them in four minutes?

- Oh my God, dude. - You know it's a big issue when even like, 'cause you can Google this stuff and Google will show you the video results and it'll literally skip to the point where it thinks the tutorial actually starts. Which is like, if Google is automating this, why do people think that anyone else is gonna fucking watch it? - I remember like 2010 when it was like video game, like, oh, where is this thing or how to do this thing? You just always watch a video. The video will show you exactly how to do it and we'll jump right into it. But now it's gone like- - No commentary.

Now it's going backwards where I'm like, I guess I'll click the forum first and see if I can get the information in 10 seconds. So I'm gonna click on this 20 minute video and fuck. Is it the same operating system? Fuck. - It's like, I don't care about your cam link jokes. Just tell me how to fix my fucking cam link, please. - I'm just thinking of all the times that I've had like a tech issue and it's some guy with like the thickest accent, like trying to explain it. I'm like, okay, fuck, what is he saying?

- Times two. - And he's like literally swallowing the microphone as well. See, like even at times two speeds, like I can't, I can't. And you have to go down to the comments to like see if someone's like paraphrased it in some way. - You know what I hate? YouTube has started doing a thing where

I mean, they've done it for a while, but if you're a foreign channel, so I could put like French titles. - Yeah. - Right? So there was this one where it was a guide and I clicked on it and I'm pretty sure it was like an Indian guide fully in like Indian. And I was like, what the fuck? Why is the title in English? - Right, right, right. - It's like how to fix your Android five problem. I was like, sick, that's exactly what I want. I click on it and he starts talking Indian. I'm like, what the fuck?

And like, there was no subtitles or anything. So I was like, why? Why would you do this? - Yeah, because it like auto translates the titles, right? - But you have to approve that, I think. - Yeah. - Right. No, but like, I've done that before with like, 'cause I watched like a lot of like Japanese videos as well with like Japanese titles. And for some reason, every now and then there's a video where if I search for it, it's displayed in Japanese. But the moment I click on it, the title turns to English.

- Is it the dude who makes the knives out of shit? - That one too. But also there's like a bunch of just like, I've like a lot of like VTuber clips, for example, like are written in Japanese in the search bar. But then the moment I click it, it turns to English. - Yeah, I've noticed that as well. I feel like- - Why? - Yeah, I don't know. Which is why I feel like YouTube getting rid of closed captions is like the biggest fucking mistake. I don't know why they're doing it. - They were like 0.5% of people use them or whatever. I was like, that's still 0.5% of how many fucking millions? What?

- The entire VTube community is crying right now. - How about we make it worse? - Are you saying we have to hard sub our videos? - Ew, hard subs? - Hard subs, ew. - You mean that feature that allows me to conveniently change subtitles depending on which language? Oh wow, that would be stupid, man. Let's get rid of that. - Fucking hell.

- Fucking YouTube's so dumb sometimes. Jesus fucking Christ. I can't believe it. - Stop changing YouTube. Stop changing for the worse. - Stop changing. - They're like, how about we do the 50th logo redesign to more minimalism? The color red is now our logo. But let's take out all the good features and it's like, oh, okay, I guess. Yeah, Jesus. They take so many Ls. Remember when they did the,

like what was the funniest one? The YouTube heroes, do you remember that one? - Oh my, what was that again? - It's like where they were gonna like make mods basically out of like YouTube users where they could like- - Oh, I remember that. - I don't even remember that. - It was a fucking mess, it was so funny. - Oh my God.

- All right, here's a question to you guys then, because I don't know if I'm like just getting old or if this is just like boomer talk, but do you feel like the golden age of the internet has passed or has there even been a golden age of the internet? - I don't know. - I think the wild, wild west has gone. - Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like if I were to say, I don't know, because like golden age of something is such a fucking subjective thing. - Yeah, what do you define as the golden? - It's so subjective. - Yeah, the best period.

- But like best period based on what? - I mean, it's subjective. - Yeah, right. It's like best based on like your personal experience with it or like best like objectively or like best based on something or other. Like, because I can argue that like, okay, like my personal golden age of the internet would be now because

- Shit's easy to use now, man. - Yeah, shit's easy to use. You can get any information with anything and everything is so conveniently laid out. But best experience in terms of my overall enjoyment of it would be the mid 2000s because that was the golden age of Newgrounds and Flash games and that shit was so fucking fun.

none of that exists anymore. - I mean, now when I download something, I'm like 99% sure it's not a virus. Whereas back then it was the opposite ratio where I'm like, this is a virus, but I really want that cool mouse though. That mouse that popped up like really cool with the sprinkles. I really want that. - I wanna turn my cursor into like a little cat. - I think I want nine toolbars.

- I remember the horror when my mom showed me her laptop and I thought I fucked one of our PCs. She had like four internet explorer, like fucking tool bars and I'm like, oh God.

- Yeah, you know, like at the time, like I hated it, but you know, the reminiscent like times of like going onto my mom's PC and having to swim through all the pop-ups just to get to where I needed to go to was like, I hated it at the time, but now I look back and it's like, oh yes. - Yeah, it was sad. - Internet do used to be like that. - Yeah, 'cause I feel like everything now is, you know, it's everything is more formulaic, more clean. - Yeah. - I'd say everything has been like optimized. - Yeah. - As we were saying, it's like the internet has definitely been optimized

And that's why I bring up the argument of like, was it better when it was like, had its charms when you feel like you were discovering something new and it felt fresh, or now that everything's formulaic, everything's laid out, everything's clean, that it's just less fun.

- I mean, like, you know, the whole, like, as I was saying earlier, like the whole like mystery of like discovering a new anime, right? Like back then in like the mid 2000s was like, it was fucking great because it was like going into a gold mine that hadn't been discovered yet. - Yeah. - Right. And like, you know, it was the whole thing, but at the same time it was a double-edged sword, right? It was like, do I dare click on this anime

to try and discover it with the risk of possibly getting, I don't know, like seven Trojan horses coming into my house. It's like, do I take the risk? It's like, oh, Wild Wild West, here we go. But nowadays it's like, if I click on a link, like I'm fairly certain I'm gonna get something and it's probably going to be something I've already heard of. So like the entire mystery of it is gone. Like, oh my God, the fucking, the amount of time I spent on like Newgrounds, for example, just going through just the most

shittiest of cartoons and flash games. To find that one game or cartoon where it's just like, I'll never fucking see it. - Do you remember the first time you discovered like the fucking stick figure fights on Newgrounds? And it was just like the best shit ever. You're like, I don't need top 10 anime fights. I have like Xiao Xiao or whatever the fuck it's called.

- The moment I discovered like the ultimate showdown of ultimate destiny. - Oh my God. - Like that shit, when I found that I was like, this is peak internet. Nothing will top this. No movie or experience will ever top this. - That was the song, right? - Yeah, it's like, ♪ This is the ultimate showdown ♪ - Yeah, that's the guy who made the Harry Potter puppets. - Yeah, same guy. When I first discovered that I was like, dude, this is my entertainment for the next 20 years. Like I will never get bored of this.

- I think, I don't know if this is 'cause I'm just tired as fuck and in like a shitty mood in general. It's just, it's sad the internet now. I don't know, I just feel like I'm fucking injected like a stream of content constantly, especially on like Facebook and Twitter. It's just like, I just scroll and I'm like. - You ever thought about detoxing?

- It feels like you need a detox. Because when you start multitasking with your entertainment, that's when I'm just like, okay, maybe this is too much. I'm not even enjoying this anymore. When I'm having a league game and a YouTube video and music on at the same time, you're just like, you're not enjoying any of these singular things. - I don't know if it's out there.

because the way that the Facebook and Instagram and Reddit are all set up where it's just like permanently feeding you something. Where even if I detox from it, the moment I get right back into it, it's just gonna be the same shit again where I feel like, I don't know, I feel like I'm constantly being manipulated now.

- It's like legit turning into like serial experiments. - No, no, it is. - These systems know exactly what we want to fucking see and they know what's gonna make us like, and it works. And I feel like back then it was exciting and it was really like rough around the edges and,

I didn't mind talking to strangers. Remember that? Remember when you didn't mind talking to a stranger and being like, "Hey, how you doing?" - I miss the times of like booting up MSN Messenger and seeing like 70 like friend requests from people I had no idea. I'm like, "I'm sure these are nice people." - I legit made some friends who like, I still keep in touch with one or two of them who are like complete random people I met on there. Like made really good friends with, I met them in person as well.

Like that was really genuine. And it also felt because it was rough around the edges and it was normally a very small team making these huge websites, right? Like it didn't feel like anyone was trying to take advantage of anyone. It was just a community. Now it feels like, yes, there is a community, but I'm also just a fan.

just one of those fucking chickens in the pen, just like, "Oh, please get me a drop of water, please. So I can get real fat for you and you can sell my advertising money." You know what I mean? I just feel like I'm being- - These social corporate scums. - I legit feel like a chicken in the- - I honestly feel that attention fatigue nowadays is a real thing. - Oh yeah. - Where like you talk about, you just want to boot up a game of league and just do the beep in the boobs, right?

- And that's because you just want something that's familiar. It doesn't take a lot of effort. You know how it works. And I, cause that's like, it's because the internet nowadays has become so good at getting your attention. It's just like,

I got some serotonin for you. I got some serotonin for you right here, right here. Just click this link. - Yeah, like it'll be like, Twitter will be like, "Hey, a tweet you missed." And it'll pop up as a notification. - Yeah. - Don't do that. - Stop. - Stop that. - 'Cause remember when going onto the internet was like a fucking event? - You know what? - Of like, all right, mom's out of the house, which means she's not using the phone, which means the dial up is gonna be just a little bit faster. Let's go. - You know what? I had a real like fucking,

- Moment the other day, audio listeners wouldn't have been able to see. I like fall back a little bit. I remember that like, you know, if like, let's say you posted something and it blew up right now, you'll know immediately. When do you have to log out of a website, log back in, check that inbox. You know what I mean? Like it's weird. I just remember that we did that. - I mean, I just like, you know, recently, you know, upgraded my computer as we established last episode and like I had to log back into everything. And it really like said something when I was like, - I haven't logged out. - Shit, what's my password again?

because everything just stays logged in. So I'm like, I swear, like out of like the 10 something websites that I had to log into like eight of them, I was like, forgot password. I don't know. - I don't know which YouTuber it was. They messaged me and I didn't reply for a whole day. 'Cause I just stopped replying to like messages on like a Saturday or a Sunday, whichever day I'm feeling. I don't be just trying to take one day off where I ignore like,

I guess not important. Like if it's business related or like even like YouTuber friends, like I'll just ignore it for a day. Cause I'm like, I just wanna chill, play games, not have to worry about work or anything like that. Just kinda, yeah. That's what I thought. I thought Maylene was laughing, but she was coughing. - Pathetic. Every day is business.

- Yeah, I don't know. And I remember they were like, "Oh, that's weird." I'm like, "Is it weird that I don't wanna be communicated to every fucking every day?" I don't know. - It gets tiring. - I don't know. I feel weird. Am I a fucking boomer? Am I a boomer now? Shit, maybe I'm a boomer, dude. - Don't say boomer when you're the youngest person in this room. - I feel like a fucking boomer when I'm looking at my, the fucking phone is like, "Hey, here's a post you missed on Reddit." I'm like, "I don't care."

I've never cared about any of those posts that's recommended. Never. Like stop recommending me. I can probably turn it off. - I genuinely wonder if people, like some people get those notifications like, oh shit, I'm glad they fucking notified me. - It must work because they keep doing it. Like they must have a rate of success that's worth doing it and fucking annoying me. - I guess so, yeah. - I can probably turn it off somewhere. - I turned it off. - I just don't know.

I probably do know how. - 'Cause it's too much effort to find out how to turn it off, right? - It's like I could unsubscribe from about 50% of emails I get, but it's like, oh for fucks, I just delete it. Like it's like a natural jerk reaction to delete, but I probably should just unsubscribe and get rid of it, but I don't. - It sounds like you do actually just need a detox from- - How do I do it, Don? What if Mr. Beast is giving out a million dollars every day on Twitter when I'm not there? - I need to ratio him.

- To get that $10,000. - It'll be the one day where something big happens. - I know you just don't care for a while. You just like, just try not looking at your phone for an entire fucking day. - I need an incentive. I can't just do that. - Just get good. Just get good. - If you give me a challenge, I'll be- - I mean like, this is like properly talking to like fucking addicts talk, right? 'Cause like, do you feel like you have a problem? Because if you don't think you have a problem then- - Everyone I know has a problem Garnt.

- I don't know anyone who isn't in the same situation where they're like, I love my social media feed. I love logging into Instagram daily and checking the stuff. I can't wait to check my story. Have you ever heard someone say that? - But you've got to understand that we are in a very unique position where this is our job. So we never have a fucking break from it. - It's the equivalent to an office lady being like, oh, I can't wait to check

- My emails today. - I also think everyone's in the same position. I also think people just don't wanna fucking check it. - No, everyone's in the same position, but there's different severities of it. You know what I mean? Like we have, okay, the difference between us and like most other people is that we have a vested interest

to keep up with everything because it's our job. Like if someone misses a fucking YouTube video or fucking like YouTube drama, it doesn't matter for them. For us, it's just like, it's the equivalent for us of, you know, being that fucking stockbroker reading the stocks every day. - Shit, it went down by 0.1%. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what it is. That's like the equivalent of like the situation for us, right? And you've got to realize that, yeah,

it's fucking hacking your brain. You're becoming dependent on it. 'Cause it's also part of your job. You have a vested interest to be, to keep up with everything. But it is like- - It doesn't matter how much you like your job. At the end of the day, it's still your job. So eventually, whether you like it or not, there's gonna be some parts of a way just like, ugh. Think back to when you first started YouTube, you first started up your Twitter account and you were like fucking excited to check if you got notifications.

- I mean, yeah, maybe I guess. - Like every YouTube is like that, right? Every YouTuber who starts off and like starts to get some amount of like numbers and has a Twitter is always excited to go onto their Twitter to see if they got like a reply to something or how many people like their thing. But we've been doing it for so long now where it's just like, it's just, you know, the same shit over and over again. - Think of it this way. Do you know any other YouTuber, actual YouTuber who hits the bell notification?

- You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? - On a YouTube channel? - Yeah. - Yeah, I do. - Wait, you do? - Yeah. - Okay, which ones? - I don't wanna miss like an internet historian video, right? Like I wanna know- - It's pretty fucking hard to miss. He uploads like once every three months. - Yeah, but I want a notification on my phone when he does so I can like, I'm like- - I wanna be the first hundred views. - Have you also noticed that YouTube recommendations have been kind of shit recently? - No, I think they've been the opposite. - Really, you think they've been better? - Yeah, yeah. - I think mine have just been garbage recently. - Maybe 'cause you're watching garbage content.

- Yeah, I said it. I said it. - No more anime man videos for me then. I'm done watching the anime. - I feel like just because you've watched so much YouTube that you just run out of all the good ones. - You just run out of content, right? - That's true. - I mean, it's true with like any medium, right? - Fuck, maybe you're right Garnt.

- I mean, my recommend that has been great because I've just been watching VTube clips. So all of my recommend is just VTube clips I haven't seen. - But you just watch streams at that point, right? - I mean, I do. - Okay. - But sometimes I don't wanna go through a three hour stream to watch five minutes of it, right? - Yeah, I mean, my, and I feel like the best YouTube recommendations is like, you know the one video where it gets recommended and it's just like a sub minute video that has like

five million views. They're always end up being amazing. Like my favorite YouTube genres now is that a title that it says that does exactly what it's there. A video that does exactly what it says on the title. Like I remember like I saw a video the other day that was like ducks annihilate a bowl of peas. I'm just like,

- All right, this can't be right. And it's just a fucking two ducks just annihilating these bowls of peas. And I'm just like, this is peak YouTube content right now. - That's like Twitter content, right? It's like Twitter videos put onto YouTube. - But in terms of like YouTube recommendations, I mean, there's only a certain set of content creators that like, I would say make,

content that you are very invested in and you're like excited over when they upload. - You always have that like boom, right? Of like a certain type of content, like inside of you. - And we can talk about the YouTubers we like on next week. It's just gonna be the YouTube episode. - Yes. - We're gonna talk about our favorite YouTubers. - It's gonna be the giant shout out episode.

- But yeah, I mean like, I think YouTube recommendations comes in like waves, right? 'Cause you like, all it takes is like one video and you recommend it. And then you like recommend it. Your recommendations are like good for like a good like few days. 'Cause you're like, oh, this is a new kind of like new kind of rabbit hole I found myself in. But when you're in that like low moments, when you end up watching so much YouTube, then you just end up watching- - You've exhausted the recommend. - Yeah, exactly. - Also, you know what sucks about

living in Japan is that everyone uploads while we're sleeping. So when I wake up, I already know all the videos that are gonna be uploaded during my day from sub people I'm subscribed to. So I already know like the best videos when I wake up so I can watch all the best videos in like the first hour, hour and a half, right? And then I have nothing else. When I was living in the UK, they were like coming out gradually during my evening. So it was always like, oh, this new video. It's like, okay, go back on YouTube. - I mean, I've had that problem my entire life.

- Yeah, I know, I know. - Yeah, yeah. - I mean, not your entire, oh, Australia, wait. - Yeah, yeah, exactly. We're only one hour difference. - It's so weird for me 'cause it's like, oh wait, okay, so all the videos are out in the morning and I watched all in the morning. - But that's what I like about it is that like you wake up in the morning and all the content is there for that day. - Yeah, but it sucks 'cause when I'm in the middle of the day and I wanna watch something, like there's nothing, no one's uploading anything. So it's like. - Right, but then that's why it's like. - I've never cared about that 'cause I've always just. - I've cared about that.

Clearly, 'cause I'm talking about it. - Shit, that means YouTube upload schedules actually matter.

Joey forgot to plug in his PC. - Yeah, shit, that means YouTube upload schedules actually matter. 'Cause I thought everyone was like me, who just like watches videos indiscriminately. - Just upload whenever. - Yeah, and just like, oh, I'll just watch this video when I feel like it. I don't care when it's uploaded. - I care when it's uploaded. - Fuck. - Again, like I don't so much care when it's uploaded because for me, like my entire like idea of YouTube content for that day has always been like wake up in the morning,

like go down my sub list, be like, all right, I'm probably gonna watch this video, this video, this video. And then I usually just like watch it as I'm like having breakfast or getting ready for the day. And then once I've exhausted that sub feed, then I'm like, all right, now I can go on with my day and actually do productive shit. It's like out of the way now. - I just can't do anything until I've watched all the good videos today.

I need my fix of something. - Like honestly, I don't think there's that much good content out there where I'm just like, I need good con. Like I don't, there's not enough content out there that's good in my mind that can keep me entertained every day. Know what I mean? There's like certain YouTube as well. I'm like, it's a banger video and I know I'm gonna enjoy this, but most of the YouTube content you watch is just fills the time. And that's just it. And it's just like, can this fill the time without me getting bored? - Isn't it weird that like, I don't know if this is just me, but like,

Has it gotten to the point now where like the sub feed has just basically turned into like a timeline just to see what everyone's doing? It's kind of become like a YouTube timeline of like, all right, let's see what people are doing today. And it's like, you don't watch 80% of the videos that are on your sub feed, but you just still sub to them because you're wondering like, all right, what are they up to now? It's weird how that's become- - I feel bad when I don't watch a YouTuber's video. - Oh my God.

- We're all very tired today. - We're all very tired. - This has probably been the most tired that we've all been for a Trash Taste episode. Like I slept horribly, gone, went to bed at 6:00 AM.

- Joey's tired too. - I'm always tired. - But you were saying you feel bad when? - I feel bad when I don't keep up with YouTubers, especially if I know though, I'm like, oh man, I just, I didn't watch that new video of yours. I'm sorry, man. Fuck, I'm a bad friend. - Have you always done that though with like- - I try to keep up with what my friends make. Yeah, I try to keep up just so I can like be like, oh no, man, nice, you killed it. Like if they did something really ambitious, I'll have to let them know and be like, hey man, you fucking killed it, bro, nice. - I don't know if that's a rare thing.

- 'Cause my general understanding is like, again, it's like people just sub to you to like, you know, show support of course, but also to be like, just to see what's up with that person. - I'm not just different for every viewer like this one. I'm sure not everyone watches every episode of "Trash Taste", right? Or cares about when it comes out. Like I'll go around to it. - Even though you should. You should be watching every "Trash Taste" episode.

- Yeah, anyway, this has been a very weird two hour. Hope you've enjoyed the two hour therapy session between the boys. - Yeah, this has been like the least like, I feel like exciting episode. We're all just fucking tired as shit and we're like, what are we fucking talking about? - It's just basically just addicts anonymous. - I'm addicted to this. - Hello, internet, I'm addicted to the internet and I need to take a break. And Connor's just like, I don't have an issue. I don't know where you are. Oh, maybe I do have an issue.

- It's like the shittiest like Addicts Anonymous. It's like, I don't have an issue, therefore you don't have an issue. - My league issue, my YouTube issue, man, what's next dude? - It's like, you want me to fix your league issue? Just quit, just stop. - At least heroin is still good. - To bring some positivity back into the podcast though. - Yeah, because we need that. - Yeah. - Like the drug? - Yeah. - Well, heroin is a drug, Maylene, yeah.

- The joke is that heroin is better than all the drugs. - Confirmed, Maylene doesn't count heroin as a drug. - Like hero, like you know, character. - No, not a hero. - No, no.

- Mail-in's equally as tight as us apparently. - Going down a pint of cocaine. - A pint of cocaine. - But yes, to bring some positivity back into the podcast, we got sent something super special this week. - Did we? - I guess we did. - Bring it out onto the table. - On the subreddit and the Twitters, this post blew up that somebody made a nice little quilt for us. Actually, I think it's actually quite large. That is large. There was also a letter included.

- From Shelby, I believe. - Shelby from Cali. - I did read it, Shelby. - Yeah, we did read it. We're not gonna read it out on the podcast. - It's quite long, so. - Don't worry, we read it. - We carried that boy open, boy. - We read it though. - All right.

- So I think there's different gifts for different people. Well, I mean, I assume this is the main- - While you guys are opening that, I'll just go ahead and explain. We don't have a PO box and we probably won't. I've had a PO box before and although it is great receiving stuff, it's also equally frustrating figuring out what the fuck to do with all the stuff that you get sent.

I had so much food go stale on me. So much food go bad. - Yeah. I feel like opening a PO box is kind of like, you know, like opening your first discord, right? It sounds great in theory, but then when you get to a point where you get sent too much stuff that it's manageable, that's when it becomes like, it becomes a second job basically. - I'm like super grateful that people are willing to send me stuff. - That doesn't mean we're not grateful. We know you guys want to send us stuff and everything like that. Just at this point,

- We just want less things to manage, you know what I mean? - Yeah, it's one less thing to worry about. - But like when we see something cool like this, like get posted on our Reddit or something, we just wanna see. - Holy fuck. - Oh, shit.

- Holy shit, that's huge. - Look at that. - Oh, it's the wrong way around. - Wrong way around. - Holy fuck, that's contentious. Audio users can take that out of context if you like. Wow, that is, audio users, what you're looking at right now is just a giant fucking trash taste quilt. Oh my God, that's actually amazing. What the fuck? Shelby, what the fuck? But thank you, Shelby, so much. - Thank you, Shelby. - Thank you so much. - Holy shit, shout out to Shelby. What an MVP. - There's like two other GIFs here as well. - Key rings, I believe they were from Shelby's message, yeah. - Should we open them as well?

- Yeah, so the key rings are for Maylene, you and I. There is a key ring for Maylene, which is the pink one, a silver one for me, green one for Garnt, and a blue one for Joey. - I see, he says J, G, C, and M. - Oh, okay. - So there's your C. - Fantastic. - Hell yeah. - Wow. - You're too nice, Shelby. Thank you. - Thank you so much for watching this episode of Trash Taste, by the way. We're winding down now.

- Oh, it's an Among Us thing. - Is it really? - It's got my little cat face on it. - Shit, she's got both the ducky macros I own in Thailand. - And the glasses. - And the glasses, oh yeah. - Wow, I have the rose, that's so cool. - Oh my God, this is amazing. Can I open yours, Maylene? - Thank you so much, Shelby. - That's so fucking cool, it's got my rose. - God damn, some people are too nice, man. - Yeah. - This is honestly one of the coolest gifts I've received. - Oh, Maylene's is pink with cat ears.

Rayleigh loves cats, by the way. You got me, Rayleigh?

So yes, if you have enjoyed this episode of Trash Taste, please let us know your thoughts and what kind of stuff you want to see us do in Trash Taste. We want to evolve it more and keep doing interesting stuff. - What's that? - I'm opening it to find out. - All right. - I hope you've enjoyed sitting in on this two hour therapy session. Maybe you discovered something about yourself as well, hearing us talk about our addiction on the internet. - Cat face mask. - Cat face mask. - Or Maylene. - Or Maylene. - No, I think it's Maylene. Oh, these are JoJo masks.

- Oh, nice. - That's awesome. - Kill the queen. Oh, Dio, you're approaching me.

- And Bruno Bucciarati, okay, wow. - That's sick. - Holy shit. - Thank you so much, Shelby. - Thank you, Shelby. - You're an MVP. - But also we want to thank our Patreons on screen right now. - Yeah, you guys help us support the show and make it even better. I love all these people and I'm sure the other boys do as well. But if you'd like to support us as well on the Patreon, then make sure to go to patreon.com/trashtaste. Also again, follow us on the Twitter and subreddit. And also don't ask us if we have a PO box. - Yes. - We don't.

'Cause I know there's gonna be comments. The moment people see the quilt, they're gonna be like, "I wanna send something." - I mean, we appreciate it. - We appreciate it. - We appreciate the sentiment. We'll take the sentiment. - We appreciate the sentiment. Yes, thank you very much. - I hope you enjoyed the Starry session, I guess. Right, well, I guess we've been Trash Taste. Thank you to everyone again. I'm so grateful people are willing to come and listen to us talk.

- We'll be happier next week, I swear to God. - Yeah, this is why I'm just fucking depressed. - We forgot to down a pint of cocaine. - I'm so tired. - Thank you so much. Bye.